Wheel of Time: Season 2 Episode 4 'Daughter of the Night' with Philip 'Nemesis' Chase
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- @Philip Chase and I continue to try to remain relevant in today's fast moving cultural media landscape by talking about the Wheel of Time TV Show as if we have any idea of what is going on.
This video has us trying to make insightful comments about Amazon's The Wheel of Time: Season Two Episode Four: Daughter of the Night.
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Intro and Music by Professor Trip.
My thanks for another fun and culturally relevant -- dare I say "cool"? -- discussion, A.P.! 😎😎
Relevance is debatable, my friend. I definitely need some more pictures of you for these thumbnails. I must get a few 'researchers' on it.
Philip, I think you did quite an excellent job of pronouncing Tel'aran'rhiod in the last episode, but you are good company leaning on "Dream World" as a stand in.
Those fantasy apostrophes trip us up every time.
@@danalou_who7765 Thank you! I was going on my memory of the books from more than a decade ago!
Nothing worse than sloppy mopping of floors. Those novices should be punished! Nothing better than a great discussion about my new favorite show. Thanks!
And how should they be punished? Hmmmm? Book accurate or adaptation style?
Ha, we'll have to discuss with the amyrlin
I just watched episodes 4 and 5 tonight and I really liked them.
I didn’t actually realize the prologue happened before. As I was watching I noticed a lot of environment details that seemed familiar but... I just couldn't put my finger on it. My brain was "I should realize something now, but it seems my 2 neurons can't do it".
I am not really trying to figure out every single thing, I am just going with the flow and loving it.
And your conversations are the extra cherry on top that make watching the show enjoyable!
PS. I absolutely love your jokes!
I am glad someone likes the jokes. Poor Philip has to put up with a lot.
Great to hear from you Livia. I hope that all is going well.
Man I cannot get enough of your level headed takes. I love it.
I am glad that you are enjoying Philip and I being a bit silly. Thanks for watching.
I was hoping you were going to do episode 4! Also great to hear a good old Norn Iron accent on UA-cam!
Apparently, a surprising number of people think I am Scottish or even English. 😂😂😂
Every conversation that you have becomes funnier and funnier! Thank you for this, I watch your discussions with a smile on my face 😊
I love Hopper, my favorite character for sure, and each time I see him I want to hug him :)
I enjoyed the Lanfear twist, to me it was a nice touch, but I see why it can be perceived as jarring too.
Cheers, see you in the next one!
You are catching up quickly. I will have to speak to the Nemesis and record a new chat for you.
Really big fan of these discussion videos, you two really help me appreciate the show so much more! I also really like how much more nuanced and complex the characters are in the show compared to the books, especially Liandrin and (in my opinion) Nynaeve.
The ending of this episode has been the first ending that has me actually very invested to see what the next episode is going to bring, so I think they are doing a good job of hooking in the audience at this point! Keep the fun chats coming! :)
I am really pleased that you are enjoying them.
Lanfear definitely sent the Fade. This takes the place of the Grolm in TGH where Selene played the damsel and was trying to get Rand to channel.
I just love the idea that Bob the Fade was late to the meeting and didn't know what was going to happen 🤣🤣
I haven't even watched yet, but have to say *BEST THUMBNAIL YET* A.P.
It is what Philip looks like before he puts on his recording mask. 🤣🤣🤣
Excellent discussion as always, gents.
I think an important thing to point out here as well: Robert Jordan frequently used the unreliable narrator device in this series, and did so to great effect, and it appears as if the show writers are employing it as well (as much as they can on screen, anyway). We see this in the Alanna/Warder scenes, as well as pretty openly in the Moiraine/Logain scene.
It’s a difficult tightrope for them since tv audiences may not necessarily catch on to it so it may come off as “bad writing”, but hopefully they can continue with it and how effective it can be right now.
I am glad that you enjoyed it. The visual focalisation was shown in Season One so I am hoping they continue to use it and lean into it a bit more, but you are absolutely right, it can be difficult to communicate clearly enough for the majority of the audience. That is why there is usually a short montage sequence jammed in of the same scenes from a different perspective to shoe the differences and highlight the subjectivity. Blunt, but effective.
Thoroughly enjoyed your takes on the TV series. All the actors are doing incredible work making the characters so believable (even if you're not supposed to like them!)
I am glad that you are enjoying the chats that Philip and I are having. Thanks for watching.
For a man who has a liking for a particular red wine, Logain's quite fond of spilling it...
Well... he is mad. 🤣🤣
Commenting on this and previous episode: New Matt: Cool! “Freedom is in the Air Tonight” 😆! My fellow Scandinavian Fares Fares is wicked as the Faustian Ishmael! Love Rand’s Epic Red Jacket and the French-Chinese Fusion of the Cairhien and especially Selene and Anvaere: Lindsey Duncan (Servilia from “Rome”, possibly my favorite TV-show!) was awesome in the this episode! And I know one should be careful when discussing Child Actors, but gosh darn-it, Elnore the possible child of Lan & Nyneave: SO ADORABLE! Poor, poor Nyneave…😭
I was a big fan of Rome. BIG FAN. 13!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@ACriticalDragon Yeah, the death of Ray Stevenson (Titus Pollo) earlier this year was a real punch in the gut!
A bit off topic: Have you or your Nemesis seen «Andor»? While Star Wars might be a bit from your regular topics, that show was amazing: Essentially Star Wars mixing «In the Name of the Father», «The Guns of Navarone», «Fortress», «Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy» & «House of Cards»! Andy Serkis’ and Stellan Skarsgård’s monologues in episode 10 «One Way Out»: Some the best acting I have seen in years!
I really enjoyed Andor. I thought it was fantastic.
@@ACriticalDragon Through Daniel Stride’s Blog “A Phuulish Fellow”, I was made aware of a possible Cosmic Horror/Lovecraftian connection to “The Lord of the Rings” with Minas Morgul and especially Moria (The Watcher in the Water, the Balrog and the “Apocalyptic log” of “The Book of Mazarbul”), as well as a visual reference for Miriel in “The Rings of Power” from the famous painting “Queen Zenobia’s Last Look Upon Palmyra” by Herbert Gustave Schmalz/Carmichael (about the doomed Syrian Queen and City defeated by Roman Emperor Aurelian, fitting rather ominous!).
Love these chats. Keep em coming.
Getting Crowley and Aziraphale vibes, but you keep switching shirt colours... 😮
We have to keep you on your toes.
Since I havent mentioned this before, commenting even before I watch the video that I love your thumbnail jokes 😂
Joke? Surely you mean evidence of Philip's villainy?
I have researchers scouring the internet around the clock to find proof of his diabolical nature.
🤣🤣
Love these so much
Thanks, I am glad that you are enjoying them.
Haven't read WoT (yet), and will probably never watch this show, but hearing you two speak about anything together is so enjoyable anyway, and you inevitably have something valuable or thought provoking to say.
I can assure you that if anything said is thought provoking or valuable it was probably by accident. 😁
But thanks for watching and the kind words. I am glad you enjoy the discussion even if you aren't watching the show.
Loved this episode and discussion, and totally agree on your point about the magnetism of the two Forsaken we've seen so far adding so much to the story. Also love all the puns!
Oh don't you come in here and pretend that you aren't an agent of the Nemesis. I have seen your comments on his videos. 🤣🤣
Given the issues that Season One had I am really impressed with Season Two so far. Some of the scenes and acting have been enthralling.
@@ACriticalDragon heehee I guess I need to work on my disguise
Great great discussion as always!! And as always I’m more with Philip BUT AP I get a lot out of your analysis and insights, because you turn my view a little more positive.
Particularly with the Lan stuff. As another commenter said, it feels like retreading ground, and I’m also just bored by it, and I also don’t like how Moiraine is treating him. But whatever - it’s not a huge drag, and your points about Alanna and the contrast between her and Moiraine (and their families) were really really good, stuff I hadn’t picked up on. So that’s some good value
Other than that tho, super strong episode. Perrin, the girls and Liandrin, Rand/Lanfear/Moiraine… so much good stuff this episode!!! I’m excited for a new one tomorrow and then another chat from you guys!!
Just like everyone else, I can only talk about what I see, what I enjoy, and what I don't enjoy.
Everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes, and nothing I say will change that, nor am I trying to change anyone's mind.
What I find curious though, is that often times, if people understand why a change is made or how it can connect that they suddenly change their mind. I find it so weird that a change can be considered 'bad' one moment, but then the individual viewer can have an 'aha' moment and suddenly the change is 'good'. It is the same change.
I completely understand how a change can be disliked one moment and then understanding changes it to liked, that is a perception rooted in personal preference and understanding, but teh evaluative change makes no sense to me.
@@ACriticalDragon I mean it’s a matter of comprehension, innit? For my case anyway, what I just described about liking the Alanna stuff better once I understood the parallel to Moiraine and her family - I was simply not getting it. I needed you to point out the connection.
So now that I understand what I was missing in terms of the thematic purpose of these scenes, my evaluation changes. Hope that makes sense!
@@slidenaway no worries at all. I am really pleased that you are enjoying the discussions. I am glad that they are adding and not detracting from watching the show.
Philip you dirty dog! I loved this discussion as always!
Rand was thinking with his little head for most of that episode.
I think you are giving him too much credit with the 'thinking' part of that statement. 🤣🤣
I was a little too generous I guess.😅@@ACriticalDragon
Rand was sexual enjoyment with his relationship with Selene but I think it went deeper than that. He has had to walk away from his village and all his friends. We know that Rand was pretty sociable in Season 1 but now he can't be around the people he cares for. I think he was desperate for human contact and started developing first affection for Selene and then those feelings grew stronger.
I vaguely remembered something: Wasn't it the case that men can't see the weaves that females do?
Thanks for vids, fun stuff :)
Despite all my issues/criticisms of the show (and at the risk of being labeled a paid shill 😆), this was the first episode (S2E4) of the series that felt, more or less, like I was watching the wheel of time. I think the vision of the show is coming together, and it felt more confident? I dunno how else to describe it.
Maybe its just that stuff is finally happening, or that im happy to see more Rand, Perrin, and Mat 😅 But i thought the direction and pacing of this episode felt markedly different, in a good way, than previous episodes. It also feels like we are getting more efficient storytelling; worldbuilding, character, and plot happening simultaneously in scenes, which is almost always a good thing imo. Seems like we got past some of the makeup from S1, and they got enough foundation layed to kickoff the story. Season 2 undoubtedly has better production value, and i think there is demonstrable/ incremental improvements in pretty much all aspects behind the final product.
In any case, S2E4 was the first that piqued my interest in a few places, and actually left me curious to see next the episode, to my own surprise!
Having seen ep 5/6 (wow madeleine's performance, loved) im, dare I say, excited for the last 2 eps 😄 I hope we can avoid being too rushed in E7/8, here's hoping for a great climax and good start/cliffhangers for S3.
Thanks for watching. I am glad that you are enjoying Philip and I chatting about the show, but more importantly I am really pleased that you are finding at least some elements of the show enjoyable.
I hope that as the show progresses it leans into those things that you want to see.
I did grin at Hopper
We all did. 😁
Can't remember the last time I was this early for a CriticalDragon video (an ACriticalDragon video?). Cheers!
The early bird gets the puns. 😂😂
I think that Lanfear is using the True Power and not the One Power. It looks different, and she has saa at the end.
Ahhh I hadn't considered that. That would be really cool.
@@ACriticalDragonyeah I’m not sure about when/if she used the True Power but her eyes definitely had saa in them. Even if it’s just foreshadowing it’s super cool. We got that reference!!
I really love your discussions. ❤
Thank you very much. I am glad that you are enjoying them. Hopefully Philip and I won't mangle too many pronunciations... well, too many more. No promises.
@@ACriticalDragon don’t care too much about that. Even Michael Kramer and Kate Reading aren’t consistent or correct with some of their pronunciations.😂
Its been interesting to watch a certain Aes Sedai from the start.
I am really glad that you are getting something a bit more positive from the show.
Personally, I think that there are some really interesting and engaging aspects to what they are doing.
I felt this episode featured the weakest, most repetitive storyline yet in Allan Mandragon’s weekend retreat. It retreaded a lot of ground and could have been used to develop Perrin and/or Mat more. That said, the rest of the episode was great. I adore how they’ve matured the Rand/Lanfear dynamic compared to the books.
I can certainly see that. It certainly had a bit of spinning wheels feel to it, even if a couple of scenes had nice humor or the prophecy reveal.
Then again, more Henney on screen seems to be a good thing. I really enjoyed his interaction with Alanna.
@ACriticalDragon I have a theory on this part of the show. I believe Moiraine and Lan know how Alana operates. She is overly inquisitive of what Moiraine is up to, as we saw in her interactions with Moiraine in season 1. They are using this to send the message to the white tower that the forsaken are back. Moiraine can't do this herself as she has been exiled and wouldn't be believed. Siuan is slowly losing control of the tower to Liandrin and the red ajah and the forsaken being free would weaken her further. Therefore they have chosen Alana to deliver the message.
@@Ken-pe9ojooohhh I like this theory. Even if it turns out to be wrong it’s a good idea. But I’ll be keeping an eye out, hoping you’re right!!
By the time we meet M’Hael he introduces himself as, “the Third Cousin of Facetious Tales”
Lanfear is in it for the long con
Hello, A.P.! I've heard that you hold a passionate perspective on the Harry Potter books. Do you happen to have a UA-cam video where you discuss this topic?
That rant is unlikely to ever see the light of day.
I am trying to enjoy it, but some casting decisions are still bugging me. I end up skipping parts just to see the ones I like.
Sorry to hear that. I hope that you are at least enjoying some parts.
1.) It never even occurred to me that corrupting the Dragon's allies and support system was and is a goal of the dark. It totally escaped my notice that many of the Forsaken had beef with Lews Therin..so this tactic was used before to great effect. 2.) I'm not sure who was channeling on that mountain top when the fade attacked Rand and Selene. I can't tell if it was her or him. I kind of feel like this is a visual representation of unreliable narration. Rand thought he was channeling, but maybe Selene was doing the channeling? In the books I thought most Dark Friends were just power hungry and greedy. In the show we get villians who have other motives (ie. saving a child, taking away a gift that is more of a curse, or escaping the misery of their current incarnation). It makes it hard to know who is a dark friend and to anticipate their next course of action. 3.) Moraine's fatal flaw..she is driven at the expense of everything. 4.) I can understand how Rand goes crazy...you can't trust ppl, everyone is trying to use you, and it's getting harder to tell the difference btwn the waking world and the dream. There are a lot of really good things going on in the writer's room. If I could be a fly on the wall!!!!!
I would absolutely love to sit with the writers for a week while they break episodes. I find the whole process fascinating.