If the B58 is the last generation of I6 petrol engines from BMW, they can rest easy knowing they will forever have the greatest I6 engine ever produced
@@josephhooks1292S58 has bonkers power and response but B58 in a daily type car like the X3, X5, X7 and other sedans makes it a bit of a sleeper and it has more than enough power with solidity and smoothness
I regret selling mine. I’m in a 540i now and it’s also excellent and plenty quick, but doesn’t have any of the drama the M340i had. Maybe next time I’ll upgrade to the proper M3 Comp
What a bummer. Peak Mercedes really was the 6.2L C63. The 2014 - 2020 era of C, E, GT were marvelous wonders as well. Mercedes has lost their way again. As a Mercedes customer this makes me immensely distraught.
They announced they’re going back to 6 and 8 cylinders in 2026 so I’ll be happy to see a fair fight between the m340 and c43 in 2026 I have a m340 on order. Maybe I’ll spring for one if they do that in 2026 but I’m more of a bmw fan I just like to see the big German 3 pushing each other
Well you should be glad that the 4-cylinder AMG complaints were bad enough for Mercedes to reportedly get into talks about bringing back the V8 in the C63 and E63.
@@NYM348 unfortunately confirmed at the recent Monterey Car Show to be sticking to the current 4cyl for the Cs and 6cyl for the Es into the future. Makes me happy I grabbed a V8 before they're gone but also sad the way it's all going...
Ordered a m340 in January and received it in May. Ordered the M performance exhaust 2 days later and loving it. Such a fun car. The suspension is definitely on the sporty side so if you want it a little more plush, order with the adaptive suspension.
@@Qooleys the M performance exhaust makes the car a *lot* louder, tbh sometimes i wish it had a more chill mode but that's like maybe 5% of the time lol. it was $2500 USD from BMW, though i added it to the order so didn't pay any install fees.
I agree 10000000000% especially compared to those two idiots from Straightline Yuri and ? Whatever his name is….I cannot stand them. Thomas and James are TOP NOTCH
@@Youcallthesebagels_ Mercedes is lose, I'm so very sad!😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Mercedes is just fucking up everything evn the new GLE63s they crap compared to the first gen GLE63s evn look wise it jst bad only g63 n a45s are still good cars as for the rest im not sure
@@travisfandrich4904no hate to carwow but he just reads the brochure, throttle house actually tell us stuff that car guys care about from testing them in different conditions
I saw a German UA-camr remove the limiter on the M340 and he hit 319 Kph on the Autobahn which is mind boggling considering it’s technically not a full M
The M340i is legendary. Had the 2020 M340ix (AWD) and it was the best car I ever owned. I now have the x3m but hands down the M340ix gave me absolute excitement.
You know I'm actually impressed by the Audi, it should lose terribly here but it doesn't. It kept up pretty well. I like the car alot and like Audi's, especially now that they're the last of these brands to keep physical controls for everything.
100% and I am shocked that nobody mentions it in the comments or even dares to bash Audi. Having almost ~50hp and being the cheapest it was 1-1 with new Merc and a bit slower than BMW.
@@Phobos123its only about a grand cheaper than the m340, not a crazy price difference. but yes, it is an old platform that should have faired a lot worse…performed amazing
@@Raven77844 Yeah I guess, but it's objectively so far ahead right now that you don't need to love BMWs to see that.. And I don't see merits in this Mercedes, other than the badge. It has nothing else. Audi always feels good, though, if you don't care about dynamics that much.
@MyRealName every driver values cars differently in terms of performance, features, brand, interior/exterior esthetics, etc. When you get to luxury performance vehicles, I find it's the sum of its parts that dictate buying decisions.
@@Raven77844 I agree, I mean not all people are going to buy the same car, obviously. All I'm saying is that it must be difficult for other manufacturers to compete with this package, because BMW is the best sum of its parts, by far. Doesn't mean everybody is going to like it, of course, as you said..
@MyRealName lets face it. All 3 cars were pretty close in terms of performance. We're not talking about drag racing these cars on a daily basis. These cars are developed for daily use on normal residential streets. Its performance is sufficient for normal daily use. If you need your car to be bragging rights for the fastest in this segment, then BMW is it. It all comes down to personal choice. Eg). I think Audi has the best interior ergonomics and esthetics. Its performance is pretty good. It doesn't need to win drag races, but quick enough as a daily for me. These are my criterias, which is why I bought my S6 over the M550i. Every owner has their own criteria of their ideal car that suits their needs. These YT reviews looks through the lens of 1 perspective...the UA-camr. Its their opinion and thats it.
It’s because of how much heavier the Mercedes is with the motors and batteries, but adding more power to compensate adding more weight? Makes no sense. Mercedes dropped the ball here.
@@tommolewis3105 It's just a 48V mild-hybrid system with an electrified turbo. It isn't anywhere near an active hybrid system like the one the C63 will have. It's got a small electric motor that assist the ice in a very limited form, and a battery to feed that and the electrified turbocharger.
I have a 2023 X3 M40i with the B58 and the thing goes like a bat out of hell, such a good engine. When MB announced the new C43, I knew it would be a flop even with the “better” numbers. BMW is still king.
@@justinbernardo8240 BMW is just the better ride at the end of the day..all the other brands can do the same an underrate their cars which I'm sure they do
Same here. I have a 23 X3M40i, that thing is a beast!! I have the black sapphire, w blk shadow pkg, 20 in jet black rims on hi performance YOKO non RFT with the sports rear diff.
I have a 22' X4 M40i with 76k miles. I raced many fast cars. It does very well against much higher hp rated cars. Big thanks to the eBoost too! I easily beat my friends 2023 S5, especially in the higher speeds.
Right? 😂 too many people get blinded by "f1 tech". Whereas not all f1 tech is desireable for a street car. Did they make sure to put the right f1 tech inside? Lol
The real worst part of F1 has been gone almost 2 years now, Michael Masi. After that blatant bad call, I couldn't watch F1. I tried last season. This year, I haven't seen a race at all.
Same...and with a few minor aesthetic mods it becomes picture PERFECT...front lip, small boot spoiler..subtle side skirts, and you can upgrade to quad exhaust with a lovely and modest diffuser 👌🏽😍
@@blazesmooth5573 No arguments there..the M3 is def much more BOLD and agressive and viciously in your face in a subjective way which I honestlty do find appealing..but what we're talking about here is a mixture of classiness and sportiness with a nice dose of classic BMW lines....
I work for a place that might sell that car with the three points and I got the chance to drive it and everything he says about is 100% accurate. Bring back the V8s
So happy I have a (2019) C43 from before they put a 4 cylinder in it. It's still not beating the M340i in a race, or on the track... but I'm never racing anyone, or on the track, so it's absolutely quick enough, agile enough, and sounds impressive enough for me to have a lot of fun and show off too. I saw people in the comments wondering why someone would ever buy a C43 over a M340i. Honestly I test drove them all, and instantly fell in love when I was behind the wheel of the C43. It sounded best, looked best (especially the interior), had a panoramic dual sunroof unlike the others, and the features like adaptive cruise control were available on a lot of used ones - I looked a LOT of used M340i's and couldn't find not one with adaptive cruise control, so that was a deal breaker. They're all dope cars to me. Well, not anymore since AMG went 4 cylinder lol.
This! I also have a 2019 C43. It’s fun AF to drive. The sound from the performance exhaust still makes me smile every time. Too bad they are making the engines smaller all across the board.
Yep. Had the 2020 and now 2023 c43. Still wouldn't go for the m340i. Test drove them twice, and just like throttle house said years ago, it just feels like a 330i with more hp. It wasn't enough feeling for me to pick over the c43. Both times.
Totally agree...I have my 2018 C43 as my daily and so much fun. I also drove the test drove a 340 and 540. They are great but just weren't as fun. Interior in the 43 is much nicer in my opinion
I love these two a million times better than those other two knuckle heads Yuri and his side kick…cannot stand those two. I love Thomas and James….so professional.
You should! It's a very good car and it looks good as well. Coming from a hard core VAG fan, but I love how far BMW has come with how great the cars are to drive... I just wish across the lineup they looked a lot better, because otherwise they're pretty much perfect
If my B9 Audi S4 died today, I’d probably get the M340i. That won’t happen soon as the S4 has had zero unscheduled repairs in its first 57,000 miles. My main gripe with the BMW is iDrive 8 which we have in our i4. That interface is okay for a BEV but not a sporty sedan. The Audi cabin is superb and the dash can be configured with a proper central, round tachometer with digital MPH and gear position in the center.
I would really like some telemetry data with 0-60 and 1/4 mile times in these shootouts. I'm a bit shocked these new C classes are so poor, its almost like the engineers collectively agreed to make the car junk to force the higher ups at Mercedes to bring back the V8!
That won't happen, they rather scrap all ICE engines completely than doing that. (and sadly rather kill the company) The fuel consumption over the whole sold modelrange dictates them to "lower theoretical fuel consumption" and they are going the way the former CEO steered towards and the current doesn't want to stray from. Mana strange and bad decisions in my opinion in the last few years from the Mercedes management.
Even with the C43 being close on performance off the show room floor they aren’t leaving much on the table for tuners if they are already pulling 400 hp out of their engine. If you took all three cars in for a dyno session and quick tune I’d imagine the BMW and Audi would get much quicker .
The same engine gives 421 hp in the A45S and it looks like a stage 1 tune will get you up to around 460, so it's not bad. If you want to go much higher than that, I'd imagine it would be much easier with the BMW (I've no idea about the Audi).
Agreed. I have a 2023 M3 and a 2023 C43. I did test drive a M340i as well. I love the speed on the BMW 100%. Though, BMW lacks interior in my opinion. The 2023 M340i and the BMW's new long tablet infotainment is going to be such a played out thing. Even the 2024 Hyundai Sonata is going to look like a BMW. With that said, yes BMW is faster but not by a ton. I think Mercedes did a great job at making a comfy car first and performance second. For a 4 Cylinder, it sure doesn't feel like it. Feels like it pulls harder than the M340i I test drove. (but on paper it doesn't). @@themercedestraveler9566
Had the 43 for a few months. I don’t understand all this slander. I love it. I didn’t want the fastest car. I just wanted a quick, luxury, sporty daily
I have the 2024 SQ5. I have Owned quite a few BMWs prior. My inclination towards S5 is due to better comfort and interior. Same reason to pick SQ5 over x3 m40i. Performance wise we are talking under half a second.
AMG and Factory Compromised aren't words you typically hear in the same sentence, but couldn't agree more. You'd think they were aiming for the Taxi market and that's as far as they evolved the model. On the plus side, you've got a wonderful Field of Dreams drag strip motiff going in this one. _If you race it, they will come_
@jak-gm Yeah, I read how he "married" a nine year old child I'm sure that was love. According to the Hadith, 57-year-old Muhammad ordered the death of 17-year-old Saffiya’s husband, father, and brother, before taking her to his tent where he raped her. She was considered the “booty of war” Allah promised. Another passage tells of Muhammad’s rape of Rayhana, a married Jewess of the Banu Qurayza tribe. After slaughtering all the men and some of the children, Muhammad saw how beautiful Rayhana was, and ordered his jihadists to bring her to his tent. Immediately after beheading her husband and family, he raped her. Boy does he ever set an example.
I find myself watching videos you guys put out on cars I care nothing about and if it wasn't for the 2 of your delivery I would never watch a video on these cars but the way you two deliver your reviews and play off of each other I watch so many of your videos just for the entertainment .
I would still buy the S5, particularly if I lived in the great white north based on price alone. Best looking car of the bunch. All 3 are fast, we get it. 😀
I bought a c43 back in June and had the same reaction to the jerky transmission around town. I had to go in and they reset the transmission because apparently there was some weird software glitch on my car. Not sure if that would have made any difference in the race but I love my car. (definitely do wish they had just kept the 6 though)
@@UzurpatorBulbulator I did test drive it. The one I test drove didn’t do it which is why I knew something was wrong when I picked mine up. No issues since
I was deciding between C43 and 340i, but MB could not get me a car for test drive, so i've ordered 340i. Was bit sad since i like the C43 design more, but after all those reviews i saw for C class since it came out.... I do not regret ordering BMW, switch to 4 cylinder was a huge misstep for mercedes 😂
@@Andy090216 I understand why they did it and I don’t mind it in my daily driver because I have a v8 in my fun car. Truth be told, I don’t share the same enjoyment of the 3 series that everyone else seems to for some reason. It just felt disconnected for me. I feel like if it’s going to be your only car and you can’t live with the sound of a 4 cyl, go for the bmw but the 4 cyl definitely doesn’t deserve all the hate it’s getting
The b58 is an all-time great. I have a f30 (prior gen) 340i MPPSK with the same transmission and very similar motor (m340i is a TU variant of my car’s) and my experience was that it was ahead of the s4/s5 and prior-gen C43 at the time (for speed, I personally think the Audi had the best interior, looks and tech). The s4 hasn’t changed materially and this c43 seems worse. My point is this: BMW is about a generation ahead of the competition, and now Mercedes appear to have miscalculated on their rebuttal. Audi, ball is in your corner. I hope for Audi to present a true contender, as much as I love the 340i, and how good the m340i is (I test drove). That’s how it keeps improving and winning is by being pushed by competition and it seems Mercedes whiffed. As a former Audi S4 owner (B8.5, I loved that car) I do wish the b9 was a little more exciting to drive. ea839 is a fine motor, but it doesn’t tune as well (you can hit 500 crank with two mods on f30 or one mod on g20 B58 powered cars once tuned for that mod) and the b58 has a lot more character. My main criticism of the m340i is weight, it’s 350 lbs heavier than my RWD f30. When test driving the m340i, it felt too similar to what I have already. (355 claimed vs 382 claimed, they’re both lies 😂) but 350 more lbs means it was close to a draw. I’d like to see Audi compete there as if they were closer in speed or tune-ability it might be the better car. Make a sportback S car with nearly 400hp (or dare I dream, over?) with that interior and tech and styling and you’d probably win me back. As long as it tuned well too. Currently the ea839 has too small a turbo to do much with sadly. Im happy to see these two knife fight into oblivion since it means we get better cars for it! Also Mercedes, the best course of action is to recognize that you failed the market (rather than the market failing you, it’s not that people don’t want sports sedans) and find a way to get a six back into your vehicle! It should be cheaper to make a high powered 6 and traditional auto than an insanely juiced 4-pot coupled with an electric drivetrain and that auto on top. Also less failure points… cheaper, faster, more reliable. I’m no car wizard but seems easy… Man I rambled. Love this segment of vehicle. Thanks for the content gents.
Love how brutally honest you guys are, idk why mercedes is throwing hybrid 4 cylinders in their cars, such an awful decision and I hope they don’t sell well.
I'm actually kind of glad that the Audi performed the way it did. I like the Audi brand way more out of all the German cars just because of the looks alone. Now that I see that it can compete with the other 2, I can't wait to see what the 2024, twin turbo, 444 HP making S5 Sport-back has in store ! I'm actually thinking of buying it in all honesty when it does come out regardless though lol.
B58 belongs in the engine hall of fame
If the B58 is the last generation of I6 petrol engines from BMW, they can rest easy knowing they will forever have the greatest I6 engine ever produced
@@slscamgthe s58 is better than the b58 though
@@josephhooks1292 Also drastically more expensive
@@josephhooks1292S58 has bonkers power and response but B58 in a daily type car like the X3, X5, X7 and other sedans makes it a bit of a sleeper and it has more than enough power with solidity and smoothness
@@nonexistence7986 I never said b58 is bad. Just that the s58 is factually a better engine lol.
Man the M340i is just the king in that category, not sure why someone would pick anything else.
Seriously. Audi looks nice but why drive a worse car?
I regret selling mine. I’m in a 540i now and it’s also excellent and plenty quick, but doesn’t have any of the drama the M340i had. Maybe next time I’ll upgrade to the proper M3 Comp
@wristoww really? Im just about to do the same.
the hatch truck design (for putting in larger objects) is a major selling point of the S5 for me (not that I have one)
Out of those three, I'd go BMW. But I've been rather happy with the IS500 so far.
The BMW M340i is such an awesome car. The engineering, the design, the badge. Close to perfection
Why no manual tho
F30 340i has some manual versions aswell.
It’s only real flaw is that other than acceleration it isn’t all that exciting to drive
I have a 2021 and i love it… i would love an M5 but i feel great with what i have…my pockets too 😂
I agree, everything looks perfect on paper but its just boring to drive.
What a bummer. Peak Mercedes really was the 6.2L C63. The 2014 - 2020 era of C, E, GT were marvelous wonders as well. Mercedes has lost their way again. As a Mercedes customer this makes me immensely distraught.
You’re not alone
They announced they’re going back to 6 and 8 cylinders in 2026 so I’ll be happy to see a fair fight between the m340 and c43 in 2026 I have a m340 on order. Maybe I’ll spring for one if they do that in 2026 but I’m more of a bmw fan I just like to see the big German 3 pushing each other
Well you should be glad that the 4-cylinder AMG complaints were bad enough for Mercedes to reportedly get into talks about bringing back the V8 in the C63 and E63.
@@NYM348 unfortunately confirmed at the recent Monterey Car Show to be sticking to the current 4cyl for the Cs and 6cyl for the Es into the future. Makes me happy I grabbed a V8 before they're gone but also sad the way it's all going...
@@NYM348 mercedes spokesperson denied that rumour being true
Ordered a m340 in January and received it in May. Ordered the M performance exhaust 2 days later and loving it. Such a fun car. The suspension is definitely on the sporty side so if you want it a little more plush, order with the adaptive suspension.
how much was it? And where did you get it? Got my 23 M340i in February but needs to sound more aggressive and louder
@@Qooleys the M performance exhaust makes the car a *lot* louder, tbh sometimes i wish it had a more chill mode but that's like maybe 5% of the time lol. it was $2500 USD from BMW, though i added it to the order so didn't pay any install fees.
I agree 10000000000% especially compared to those two idiots from Straightline Yuri and ? Whatever his name is….I cannot stand them. Thomas and James are TOP NOTCH
@@Qooleysthe 2023 BMW M340i reportedly has 630bhp.
@@myemailiscoollouder like NASCAR GEN 4 car?
The M340i is just a beast🔥🔥
BMW FTW ///M POWER ⏩⏩
BMW POWER!
@@boondockbwoy14B58 is not M power stop it 😂
It is a good video when Carston isn't quiet the whole time. 😂
We all love Carston, but he is the editor, so he has alot work on his table. It wont happen alot.
Carston is the unsung hero of ThrottleHouse. Their production quality is the best of all the automotive UA-camrs.
yes indeed
He talks? I thought he was a selective mute 🔇 😂
And he doesn't talk much so if you know, you know 😂
the BMW M340i is a monster 👻
😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
@@NguyenNhanQKhanh 🤔🤔🤔 and then?
@@skunkmakgakga AND I HATE BMW!😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
And monstrously underrated 😂, they should be sued for falsifying data.
@@Youcallthesebagels_ Mercedes is lose, I'm so very sad!😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Keep the M340i content coming. Great video!
Amin.
Wow as a previous c43 owner, Mercedes really dropped the ball with this generation. Looks and performance wise
I owned one as well and wouldn't touch the new one. How can the new inline-4 be heavier than the old V6?
Mercedes is just fucking up everything evn the new GLE63s they crap compared to the first gen GLE63s evn look wise it jst bad only g63 n a45s are still good cars as for the rest im not sure
@@numbers7905it’s all of the “f1” technology
@@cy2086 what f1 tech lollll that’s marketing honestly f1 doesn’t have launches lol
@@numbers7905the hybrid tech is to blame for that serious weight gain…
Throttle House is by far the best car review channel on the interwebs.
💯
Carwow is pretty damn good too!
@@travisfandrich4904Carwow has really great videos too and are very consistent but the host is way too cheesy. TH easily takes it over carwow.
Do not know why you feel the need to compare these channels. You set yourself up for pple to comment and set you straight. Do better
@@travisfandrich4904no hate to carwow but he just reads the brochure, throttle house actually tell us stuff that car guys care about from testing them in different conditions
The b58 is just a masterpiece, just on another planet. Then you tune the thing and put a few grand in mods and it's damn near as quick as the M3 lmao
not with the 8hp51
Yeah with software alone you can get it to like 500hp however the m3 with software alone can get to 700hp
@@Person-cv9dj oh yeah once you tinker with the S58 it's over lol
I saw a German UA-camr remove the limiter on the M340 and he hit 319 Kph on the Autobahn which is mind boggling considering it’s technically not a full M
@@nima6150 autop correct ?
Already know m340i ftw without even watching...
Obviously duhhh
Ew, we found the bmw fan child 🧒
Facts
Beeeee58 baby
@@cameronlotter1392he was right though 😎
Amg really has drop the ball lately
yep, none of their cars win against the competition.
Last 10 years, not lately.
@@roger4880 no the 212 was amazing
thank the governments people vote for, AMG kills the V8 little by little and now we’re stuck with 2.0L toy engines ‘cause of “regulations”
The E63S W213 was awesome too.
The M340i is legendary. Had the 2020 M340ix (AWD) and it was the best car I ever owned. I now have the x3m but hands down the M340ix gave me absolute excitement.
I drove an M240i and M340i back to back, the 2 was much more fun agility wise with same power plant.
@@b1gd312different chassis and 2 door. Same motor
@@b1gd312which year M240i?
there is only one generation of the m240i@@tricktreat688
@@tricktreat6882021.
B58 is such an outstanding engine
Wow that M340i it's so quick 🔥
You know I'm actually impressed by the Audi, it should lose terribly here but it doesn't. It kept up pretty well. I like the car alot and like Audi's, especially now that they're the last of these brands to keep physical controls for everything.
The next gen is due soon. This platform of cars is pretty old.
100% and I am shocked that nobody mentions it in the comments or even dares to bash Audi. Having almost ~50hp and being the cheapest it was 1-1 with new Merc and a bit slower than BMW.
I wont get a car just bcoz of its physical controls, though i agree that audi is pretty good
@@snakeeyes9246 Will they bring another A5? thought they'll ditch the 2 doors
@@Phobos123its only about a grand cheaper than the m340, not a crazy price difference. but yes, it is an old platform that should have faired a lot worse…performed amazing
The M340i is just a beast
m340i is king, the b58 is unstoppable.
I like these 2 guys. They're brutally blunt & honest. They give you raw, & even shocking facts, opinions, & results of testing💥🔥🎯🎯!
Agree.
Love your videos ! Keep going
After test-driving both glc43 and sq5, I ordered a X3M40i in January and received it in April. B58D is so much fun to drive.😆
crazy how good the Audi is keeping up considering its an older generation compared to the other 2 especially the mere
As a owner of M340i I can just say it's best all rounder You can buy.
All 3 are decent cars, but the M340i has the X factor. Thanks for an interesting comparison guys🙂👊👊👌
Oh it comes with twitter?
It's not an xdrive tho
@@483SGT yes it is
@@483SGT I think you can't have M340i with RWD. Maybe you could in F30, but all G20 M340i's are xDrive
@@ChR0nos_7734 In the US you have the option of RWD
I don't know how the others sell anything with the m340i in the same market..
Because not everyone likes BMW's. Lol. I think each car has its own merits.
@@Raven77844 Yeah I guess, but it's objectively so far ahead right now that you don't need to love BMWs to see that.. And I don't see merits in this Mercedes, other than the badge. It has nothing else. Audi always feels good, though, if you don't care about dynamics that much.
@MyRealName every driver values cars differently in terms of performance, features, brand, interior/exterior esthetics, etc. When you get to luxury performance vehicles, I find it's the sum of its parts that dictate buying decisions.
@@Raven77844 I agree, I mean not all people are going to buy the same car, obviously. All I'm saying is that it must be difficult for other manufacturers to compete with this package, because BMW is the best sum of its parts, by far. Doesn't mean everybody is going to like it, of course, as you said..
@MyRealName lets face it. All 3 cars were pretty close in terms of performance. We're not talking about drag racing these cars on a daily basis. These cars are developed for daily use on normal residential streets. Its performance is sufficient for normal daily use.
If you need your car to be bragging rights for the fastest in this segment, then BMW is it. It all comes down to personal choice.
Eg). I think Audi has the best interior ergonomics and esthetics. Its performance is pretty good. It doesn't need to win drag races, but quick enough as a daily for me. These are my criterias, which is why I bought my S6 over the M550i. Every owner has their own criteria of their ideal car that suits their needs.
These YT reviews looks through the lens of 1 perspective...the UA-camr. Its their opinion and thats it.
I'm a BMW guy, but it's crazy how close the Audi was to the Merc with that power deficit.
It’s because of how much heavier the Mercedes is with the motors and batteries, but adding more power to compensate adding more weight? Makes no sense. Mercedes dropped the ball here.
You can get another 100 hp out of that audi with a simple remap, while Mercedes engine will just explode with a tiny bit of tune
@@Zenan466It has an electric motor, it’s not the same “hybrid” as in a plug in Prius, but it is a hybrid.
@@tedarcher9120what about 120bhp with Mapping 8?
@@tommolewis3105 It's just a 48V mild-hybrid system with an electrified turbo. It isn't anywhere near an active hybrid system like the one the C63 will have. It's got a small electric motor that assist the ice in a very limited form, and a battery to feed that and the electrified turbocharger.
I have a 2023 X3 M40i with the B58 and the thing goes like a bat out of hell, such a good engine. When MB announced the new C43, I knew it would be a flop even with the “better” numbers. BMW is still king.
bmw produces more hp with the b58 then merc does on the new c43. Bmw underates it. Its pushing more like 425hp.
I have 23 M340 too and I love it!!
@@justinbernardo8240 BMW is just the better ride at the end of the day..all the other brands can do the same an underrate their cars which I'm sure they do
Same here. I have a 23 X3M40i, that thing is a beast!! I have the black sapphire, w blk shadow pkg, 20 in jet black rims on hi performance YOKO non RFT with the sports rear diff.
I have a 22' X4 M40i with 76k miles. I raced many fast cars. It does very well against much higher hp rated cars. Big thanks to the eBoost too! I easily beat my friends 2023 S5, especially in the higher speeds.
Mercedes "Pure AMG, Hand crafted, F1 technology C43!" BMW "I don't even think about you.." Good ole B58 FTW. 😆
😂😂
True.
It's strange to me that they took the worst parts of F1 and tried to market them as positives.
Right? 😂 too many people get blinded by "f1 tech". Whereas not all f1 tech is desireable for a street car. Did they make sure to put the right f1 tech inside? Lol
Whenever I hear "F1 technology" it automatically means to me that the car drives and acts like shite
@@nashanthename1886also weighs like a semi 😂
The real worst part of F1 has been gone almost 2 years now, Michael Masi. After that blatant bad call, I couldn't watch F1. I tried last season. This year, I haven't seen a race at all.
@jak-gm7zg I'm Christian :)
That output in that BMW is crazy
the m340i is just amazing!
I had 2 previous S4s a 2013 and a 2010. Both great cars with spectacular engines. I miss them.🥶
I have a 2016 s4 with 102k miles and love it. Only thing I want to change is to make the supercharger a tad bit louder
Feels so damn good to watch this after you just bought the new LCI m340i
Thomas's faces just before reaching the finishing line added a couple of Horse Power😂😂😂😂
@jak-gm7zg I am a christian mate and that's that
I just got my M240i and that engine is underrated. I put a new exhaust and intake this engine is a beast. It just launches and pulls
Try bm3
Do you regret xdrive on it?
@@utb8536 🙃
it will be interesting to do a comparison of the current C43 VS old c43 to see how it goes, considering the buzz is going around on the matter...
I think the comparisons have been talked about already many times.
They’re both bad😂
@@themercedestraveler9566what about comparison between C43 vs KPGC110 vs Amuse S2000 GT1?
It's already been done, the old C43 is faster
The M340i is my favorite Beamer right now. Perfect blend of performance and luxury, and WAY better looking than the current M3/M4.
Same...and with a few minor aesthetic mods it becomes picture PERFECT...front lip, small boot spoiler..subtle side skirts, and you can upgrade to quad exhaust with a lovely and modest diffuser 👌🏽😍
m3 looks much more aggressive and sharp
@@blazesmooth5573 No arguments there..the M3 is def much more BOLD and agressive and viciously in your face in a subjective way which I honestlty do find appealing..but what we're talking about here is a mixture of classiness and sportiness with a nice dose of classic BMW lines....
Feeling validated for getting the x3 m40i. It ended up being nearly same price but in USA much faster delivery than the m340i
Same. I ordered my x3M40i back in October..received it last dec as a 23 model. I love it.
I work for a place that might sell that car with the three points and I got the chance to drive it and everything he says about is 100% accurate. Bring back the V8s
"You technically podium'd" - I was rolling with laughter.
I love my M340i. For my daily driver its currently the best.
So happy I have a (2019) C43 from before they put a 4 cylinder in it. It's still not beating the M340i in a race, or on the track... but I'm never racing anyone, or on the track, so it's absolutely quick enough, agile enough, and sounds impressive enough for me to have a lot of fun and show off too.
I saw people in the comments wondering why someone would ever buy a C43 over a M340i. Honestly I test drove them all, and instantly fell in love when I was behind the wheel of the C43. It sounded best, looked best (especially the interior), had a panoramic dual sunroof unlike the others, and the features like adaptive cruise control were available on a lot of used ones - I looked a LOT of used M340i's and couldn't find not one with adaptive cruise control, so that was a deal breaker. They're all dope cars to me. Well, not anymore since AMG went 4 cylinder lol.
This! I also have a 2019 C43. It’s fun AF to drive. The sound from the performance exhaust still makes me smile every time. Too bad they are making the engines smaller all across the board.
@@yvescormier408 every single time lol 💪🏾
Yep. Had the 2020 and now 2023 c43. Still wouldn't go for the m340i. Test drove them twice, and just like throttle house said years ago, it just feels like a 330i with more hp. It wasn't enough feeling for me to pick over the c43. Both times.
Totally agree...I have my 2018 C43 as my daily and so much fun. I also drove the test drove a 340 and 540. They are great but just weren't as fun. Interior in the 43 is much nicer in my opinion
I love these two a million times better than those other two knuckle heads Yuri and his side kick…cannot stand those two. I love Thomas and James….so professional.
I love my m340 more and more each day!
You should! It's a very good car and it looks good as well. Coming from a hard core VAG fan, but I love how far BMW has come with how great the cars are to drive... I just wish across the lineup they looked a lot better, because otherwise they're pretty much perfect
@jak-gm7zg Sir, this is a Burger King.....
If my B9 Audi S4 died today, I’d probably get the M340i. That won’t happen soon as the S4 has had zero unscheduled repairs in its first 57,000 miles. My main gripe with the BMW is iDrive 8 which we have in our i4. That interface is okay for a BEV but not a sporty sedan. The Audi cabin is superb and the dash can be configured with a proper central, round tachometer with digital MPH and gear position in the center.
The M340i is truly everyone's "sweet darling" of German performance car apex
If my b9.5 S4 died today, I would take public transport till the new S4 arrives next year:)
There won't be a new S4. S4 and S5 are being consolidated into one S5 model@@CanadianMax
@@carsandcovfefe yeah, I read the same but all still rumours.
@@carsandcovfefe Doubt it knowing there's the new rs4 comp
I would really like some telemetry data with 0-60 and 1/4 mile times in these shootouts. I'm a bit shocked these new C classes are so poor, its almost like the engineers collectively agreed to make the car junk to force the higher ups at Mercedes to bring back the V8!
That won't happen, they rather scrap all ICE engines completely than doing that.
(and sadly rather kill the company)
The fuel consumption over the whole sold modelrange dictates them to "lower theoretical fuel consumption" and they are going the way the former CEO steered towards and the current doesn't want to stray from.
Mana strange and bad decisions in my opinion in the last few years from the Mercedes management.
It wont happen.
4 cyl for that class? Quite never, ever. Bummer. Great video as always!
I remembered an old throttle house video about a 2018 GLA45 and tomas seem to had a freakin good time !! First gen was awesome btw !!
Each generation of this trio that they race just confirms which car I'm getting next 😂
BMW all the way my brother
@@boondockbwoy14Audi all way just because BMW looks like shit
@@vedranilic2271 Sad to know the facts my boy?
Even with the C43 being close on performance off the show room floor they aren’t leaving much on the table for tuners if they are already pulling 400 hp out of their engine. If you took all three cars in for a dyno session and quick tune I’d imagine the BMW and Audi would get much quicker .
The same engine gives 421 hp in the A45S and it looks like a stage 1 tune will get you up to around 460, so it's not bad. If you want to go much higher than that, I'd imagine it would be much easier with the BMW (I've no idea about the Audi).
@@Xenon0000000000001remember they can easily make 500 plus with the b58
@@MrMlbfan6 With a quick tune and no other mods?
@@Xenon0000000000001the audis are in between the two ive seen anywhere from 480-500
Going to need a downpipe and a little bit of ethanol.
Finally I been waiting for Throttle House Drag race this year
Traded my AMG C43 for a BMW M340ix. Never looked back. Legendary B58 inline turbo 6.
Good boy
1:44 "And uhh, I'm pretty sure the transmission and the engine speak 2 totally different languages"
It’s a shame about the new C43. The previous generation is such a fun and engaging daily driver.
I have both 2020 c43 and new 2023 c43. I actually think the 23 c43 is a lot of fun. The steering and handling is loads better then the 2020.
how so?@@themercedestraveler9566
Agreed. I have a 2023 M3 and a 2023 C43. I did test drive a M340i as well. I love the speed on the BMW 100%. Though, BMW lacks interior in my opinion. The 2023 M340i and the BMW's new long tablet infotainment is going to be such a played out thing. Even the 2024 Hyundai Sonata is going to look like a BMW. With that said, yes BMW is faster but not by a ton. I think Mercedes did a great job at making a comfy car first and performance second. For a 4 Cylinder, it sure doesn't feel like it. Feels like it pulls harder than the M340i I test drove. (but on paper it doesn't). @@themercedestraveler9566
I still like the Benz !!!
This video is out! It was great to see this race live. BMW is still king!
Excellent video as always. Kudos to that end-of-life Audi for hanging with the big guns. Lol @ Audi claiming 349hp
Great video gang.
Had the 43 for a few months. I don’t understand all this slander. I love it. I didn’t want the fastest car. I just wanted a quick, luxury, sporty daily
At 2:53 I love Thomas almost dying cause of the seat belt 😂
B58 inline 6 FTW 👑👑
The Audi is by far the oldest vehicle here. When they release the next iteration this will be a very interesting race... can't wait to see it!
My thoughts exactly!
Rumors also have it that even the S-Cars will retain the V6!
@@yousufzahid6949my thought also exactly.
The Audi S5 is still a good car to consider because I love the sportback design, and the V6 still sounds awesome in that car.
S5 still surprisingly performed well enough but Is the 2023 S5 not out yet??
revving the c43 made me laugh lol
He's just messing about or canadian spec is different. American spec sounds awesome, search youtube for vids.
@@themercedestraveler9566previous gen c43 sounded awesome. this new 4 cylinder sounds horrible no matter where the car is from lol
"Because winners don't look back"...😂The merch/T-shirts these guys could come up with is endless
I got my 2024 m340i and it’s the best purchase. It’s such a joy driving it everyday!
I’d still take the S5. Best looking of the bunch.
My dad had a 2021 model in Turbo Blue. It's awesome. Great looking, practical, and drives very well.
We can revisit this when and if Audi ever changes the s5
M340i easily best premium compact sports sedan on the market
That S5 is almost 7 years old now with that generation and still pulls up quite well.
and with “just” 350 ps it keeps up. that’s amazing
Throttle house.... you're content is up there with the very best 💯☝🏾🙏 keep it up guys well done
I been waiting for another video w the M340i 🔥
@jak-gm7zg allahu Akbar..?
We already knew what was the superiour luxury sports sedan before even watching it 😂
Yep, it’s the Benz.
@@ginco_bnzdid we watch the same video ?
@@Tm0n3y762lolll
Lol so true 😂😂
I have the 2024 SQ5. I have Owned quite a few BMWs prior. My inclination towards S5 is due to better comfort and interior. Same reason to pick SQ5 over x3 m40i. Performance wise we are talking under half a second.
Makes me grateful owning the previous gen C43
That s5 looks gorgeous
2:10 for the race
AMG and Factory Compromised aren't words you typically hear in the same sentence, but couldn't agree more. You'd think they were aiming for the Taxi market and that's as far as they evolved the model.
On the plus side, you've got a wonderful Field of Dreams drag strip motiff going in this one. _If you race it, they will come_
can't wait for the new gen S5
Man I love this channel. When said “so gutless” I don’t know but died laughing. “Winners never look back”. Haha.
Great comparison as always! I love the B58 and purchased a m240i x drive. Fantastic car. Thanks guys👍
You've GOT to give Carson more voice time man. His reactions are awesome!
@jak-gm Yeah, I read how he "married" a nine year old child I'm sure that was love. According to the Hadith, 57-year-old Muhammad ordered the death of 17-year-old Saffiya’s husband, father, and brother, before taking her to his tent where he raped her. She was considered the “booty of war” Allah promised.
Another passage tells of Muhammad’s rape of Rayhana, a married Jewess of the Banu Qurayza tribe. After slaughtering all the men and some of the children, Muhammad saw how beautiful Rayhana was, and ordered his jihadists to bring her to his tent. Immediately after beheading her husband and family, he raped her.
Boy does he ever set an example.
M340I the best looks, sound, interior….B58 FTW
In the building
Not interior
Id just buy the W205 C43. Most fun to drive
I find myself watching videos you guys put out on cars I care nothing about and if it wasn't for the 2 of your delivery I would never watch a video on these cars but the way you two deliver your reviews and play off of each other I watch so many of your videos just for the entertainment .
I am looing forward the next C15 AMG 1 cylinder.
Everything considered, that M340i is one of the best BMWs on sale
I'd argue it's the best
The M340i is in a class if it’s own. I can’t wait until I tune mine.
I would still buy the S5, particularly if I lived in the great white north based on price alone. Best looking car of the bunch. All 3 are fast, we get it. 😀
Looks are subjective though boss man..the M340i to me is the sportier sharper and more sleekest looking but another might say dif 🤷🏽♂
Sometimes I think James tries to see how quickly he can say "...and I'm James!" after Thomas says his line.
Pre lci 340i
Previous gen v6 c43
Audi looks sleek inside out
I bought a c43 back in June and had the same reaction to the jerky transmission around town. I had to go in and they reset the transmission because apparently there was some weird software glitch on my car. Not sure if that would have made any difference in the race but I love my car. (definitely do wish they had just kept the 6 though)
This is why you test drive a car first and wait for some reviews and read on forums.
@@UzurpatorBulbulator I did test drive it. The one I test drove didn’t do it which is why I knew something was wrong when I picked mine up. No issues since
I was deciding between C43 and 340i, but MB could not get me a car for test drive, so i've ordered 340i. Was bit sad since i like the C43 design more, but after all those reviews i saw for C class since it came out.... I do not regret ordering BMW, switch to 4 cylinder was a huge misstep for mercedes 😂
@@Andy090216 I understand why they did it and I don’t mind it in my daily driver because I have a v8 in my fun car. Truth be told, I don’t share the same enjoyment of the 3 series that everyone else seems to for some reason. It just felt disconnected for me. I feel like if it’s going to be your only car and you can’t live with the sound of a 4 cyl, go for the bmw but the 4 cyl definitely doesn’t deserve all the hate it’s getting
@@vikdrives a straight six would be okay. What’s. A turbo 4 going to do?
The Mercedes sounds like an electric leaf blower.
The b58 is an all-time great.
I have a f30 (prior gen) 340i MPPSK with the same transmission and very similar motor (m340i is a TU variant of my car’s) and my experience was that it was ahead of the s4/s5 and prior-gen C43 at the time (for speed, I personally think the Audi had the best interior, looks and tech). The s4 hasn’t changed materially and this c43 seems worse. My point is this: BMW is about a generation ahead of the competition, and now Mercedes appear to have miscalculated on their rebuttal. Audi, ball is in your corner. I hope for Audi to present a true contender, as much as I love the 340i, and how good the m340i is (I test drove). That’s how it keeps improving and winning is by being pushed by competition and it seems Mercedes whiffed.
As a former Audi S4 owner (B8.5, I loved that car) I do wish the b9 was a little more exciting to drive. ea839 is a fine motor, but it doesn’t tune as well (you can hit 500 crank with two mods on f30 or one mod on g20 B58 powered cars once tuned for that mod) and the b58 has a lot more character. My main criticism of the m340i is weight, it’s 350 lbs heavier than my RWD f30. When test driving the m340i, it felt too similar to what I have already. (355 claimed vs 382 claimed, they’re both lies 😂) but 350 more lbs means it was close to a draw. I’d like to see Audi compete there as if they were closer in speed or tune-ability it might be the better car. Make a sportback S car with nearly 400hp (or dare I dream, over?) with that interior and tech and styling and you’d probably win me back. As long as it tuned well too. Currently the ea839 has too small a turbo to do much with sadly. Im happy to see these two knife fight into oblivion since it means we get better cars for it! Also Mercedes, the best course of action is to recognize that you failed the market (rather than the market failing you, it’s not that people don’t want sports sedans) and find a way to get a six back into your vehicle! It should be cheaper to make a high powered 6 and traditional auto than an insanely juiced 4-pot coupled with an electric drivetrain and that auto on top. Also less failure points… cheaper, faster, more reliable. I’m no car wizard but seems easy…
Man I rambled. Love this segment of vehicle. Thanks for the content gents.
True
2:38 that voice 😂. Me too dude.
Received my m340i last week, man this thing is fast! It's deceptively nimble .💯🔥
Love how brutally honest you guys are, idk why mercedes is throwing hybrid 4 cylinders in their cars, such an awful decision and I hope they don’t sell well.
I'm actually kind of glad that the Audi performed the way it did. I like the Audi brand way more out of all the German cars just because of the looks alone. Now that I see that it can compete with the other 2, I can't wait to see what the 2024, twin turbo, 444 HP making S5 Sport-back has in store ! I'm actually thinking of buying it in all honesty when it does come out regardless though lol.
This bmw better looking and its fast
So glad i actually managed to get a 2019 C43
That Audi A5 is so elegant , classy not for everyone