@@scintillam_deiIn the Classical world "atheist" essentially meant "godless" and referred to people who didn't uphold accepted civil religion; Socrates was accused of "atheism," and Julian the Apostate referred to Christians as "atheists" because they did not worship the traditional Roman gods. The Huns did not worship the Christian God and had no qualms against looting and destroying churches, so they easily fit this Classical definition.
I think its great too, but it makes Voobly look like it only existed between MSN gaming zone and HD edition, which is not the case. Voobly with Userpatch was much better then HD edition in any ways, and all the pros where playing there up until 2020 when DE came out
something that wasnt mentioned is that the second CA bonus nerf wasnt actually meant as a nerf, but was done to compensate for the general reduction in CAs' gold cost from 65 to 60 happening in the same patch. effectively they were changed from 34w55g/30w49g to 36w54g/32w48g, allowing them to stay at essentially about the same cost.
Yeah but that change meant all other civs had their cav archers significantly cheaper while Huns barely changed the price, effectively nerfing Hun CA in comparison to other civs. So it's still a nerf.
Boy, it's really been 23 years since I was gifted Aoe 2: Conquerors at a Christmas. I remember opening the guidebook, the tech tree wet-ink sheet and cold saturdays logging in and playing the Huns Campaign. Good times gents, good times
Hah yeah. I came home to a message from my good buddy (landline answering machine - didn't have a cell phone!) telling me to come over and check out this sweet medieval computer game he bought. It was retail Age of Kings. After trying it, the next day I bought it myself! Those were the days man. So much has changed.
Father Armand was silent for a long time. He glanced over at the head on a stake. 'A Hunnic trophy,' he said. 'I think the man was a Visigoth. He died at the Battle of the Catalaunian Fields. I keep it here so that I may see it every day and remember.' 'Remember what, Father?' I asked him. The scent of a burning village. The sound of butchery. The way the peasants would flee before the Hun riders. The way we would ride them down. The way it felt to conquer alongside Attila and the Huns. He leaned so close I could feel his breath. 'Sometimes... ... I miss it.'
Huns are such a beginner-friendly civ. With the numerous complications you have to learn early-game, a civ that completely eliminates one of them, the need for keeping up on houses, inevitably makes things simpler for people just starting to learn. I'm glad that bonus never got removed because it is, in my opinion, absolutely core to their identity.
Sandy Peterson: here is a new Civ Players: complain it is too OP Sandy Peterson: You Challenge My Every Decision, it is as if you seek to lead the Huns yourself!
@@gosphor2826 The most powerful single bonus in the game is Free Wheelbarrow and Hand Cart. Upon going into the feudal age you have an instant 3 villager lead, extra speed and carry capacity on top of the resource cost. Hand cart is not as strong as free wheelbarrow but it still is quite significant.
I miss the carnage of old AOE2. With corpses, skeletons and projectile everywhere. Telling story of battel that took place. Shame they didn't implemented it in new AOE2. It seems to me like a very imported part of game visuals is missing.
i like the idea of the hun campaign mission of destroying wonders just as much as the historic battle of destroying all the castles in the Nobunaga mission, shame there's so much to see, yet not enough to do in one playthrough, representing a time when the faction's leader was steamrolling towns,
Hun Wars were made to sound so ubiquitous that for like two years I just assumed Voobly had only ported Huns in for a while due to some technical limitations.
Not much, probably. The alternative win conditions need you to control the game to the point where you basically won the game already. The exceptions will be very rare.
me too. I agree with the other commenter it woudn't change that much, and I think it shouldn't, but in rare situations it could give it a very nice twist.
things might change quite a bit at the lower levels (i.e. LEL shenanigans), where players take things slower, tend to be more cautious, massing troops rather than raiding, etc. So there would be a lot more opportunity, time, and resources to throw at alternate victory conditions.
Before The Forgotten was an official expansion, the Huns lost stone walls in some versions of the Forgotten Empires mod. It would be interesting to see how much of an impact that would have today.
As a magyar, I'm offended by Petersen's words! Kidding aside I always wondered why there isn't a magyar campaign as our medieval history is quite rich, going from being one of the most feared nomadic marauders of europe (just look up battle of pressburg for example) to eventually settling down, founding a country and adopting conventional european tactics and religion, being a prosperous big kingdom, fighting hard and being raided by mongols, beating them the second time, then fighting against turks for hundreds of years, country being split into 3 pieces etc. and I'm quite sure a lot of people heard of the black army of Hungary.
Tarkans are great now. I rarely go for paladins as huns. I know pallies are stronger, but tarkans with 170hp, being cheaper than a paladin (both unit cost and upgrade wise) and having 8 pierce armor is just too good to pass. That +10ish bonus dmg against buildings is also noticeable.
If nothing else, it really should be brought to the fore just how much potential has been lost in AOE variety with the whole 1v1 conquest mainstream. The idea of defensive civs and wonders being viable sound like a really interesting gamble, and I especially would love to see something along the lines of diplomacy ranked games. Maybe with a nomad start, 8 players. Probably the full AOE experience as designed.
I liked the new editing tricks you tried out in this video! I think the rotating of information panes to remove them from view helps with transitioning info - Sometimes I'll miss a transition if there's two similar slides that flick between each other. Interested to see this experimentation continue!
The huns campaign was the reason i studied the history behind those specific moments Because i was 100% certain flavius kept fighting for the roman empire until he was assassinated by the emperor's orders instead of retiring after the catalaunian fields like the campaign said
BBQTurkman? Man... That's a name I haven't heard in years... Huns... I had a deep hatred for them for years, I remember the huns wars VIVIDLY, everytime I wanted to play a game, everyone had to be huns or you had to fight against someone who was huns (most likely in Arabia) and everyone was huns, I got so sick of huns I ended up playing in GameRanger and later on HD. They should have made a webside called OnlyHuns back then.
As someone who is part Korean and loves history it was really disappointing that the unique land unit for Korea is completely made up and has no basis in history. Especially when there was an obvious choice in the Hwach'a which is very famous and highlights Korea's historical prowess in innovation.
@@gletscherminze9372 Kinda, but i am capable of pulling off agressive strats or rush, just not consistenly enough. I play almost all civs but i almost never pick those (unless its random)
@@lloydlejack-official I jasu said that because these are the civs with the worst defensive options: only watch towers and two of them are lacking stone walls. Huns are also among my least played civs. They just feel kinda generic to me. My favourites are those with aggressive archer openings like Dravidians or Saracens.
You should point out that even with their CA discount got "huge" nerfs, CA gold cost was also reduced through the ages. Since In the Age of Conquerors, In castle age their cost was 30w52,5g, as of now their cost is 36w54g. In imperial age their cost in AoC was 28w49g and now it is 32w48g.
I imagine they’re also popular with beginners due to having some of the easiest build orders in the game. For those who get overwhelmed by other beginner-friendly civs for having a huge tech tree, there are ones like the Huns who are straightforward and easy to pick up and play.
The Huns. The mounted civilization based on a historical civilization famous by their horseback army. Which never appear in first positions on top 10's related to mounted units. Never the first, but always around. Most know as the civ who don't build houses. Ps: Why Huns doesn't have steppe lancers??
Peterson had really good ideas, his historycal knowledge it's often incorrect or influenced with old school belief about civilization. Some of his interview are absurd in particular when talking about "barbaric invasions" The Barbars killed everyone and nothing was left, so that's why in AoE you start only with few villagers and not a semi-developed city
Just so people know: While the Huns weren't "atheists" in the modern sense, they *were* atheists in the Classical sense of "godless heathens" (they did not worship the Christian God and regularly looted and destroyed churches). As a parallel, Julian the Apostate had labeled Christians "atheists" because they did not worship the traditional Greco-Roman gods.
I love this video. I think more modern players might not realize this, but Huns truly broke but also defined this game. When the expansion came out, people only wanted to play Huns. Even though Mayans were my favorite, I probably played more Huns than anyone else. For many years, AoE2 was Huns, and Huns were AoE2. They’re mid tier now, but always feel nostalgic when I see them picked these days.
Is the concern about modern connotations why there are "Franks" and "Britons" in the game when the campaigns and most of the unique units and techs (axemen notwithstanding) are clearly treating them as French and English instead?
Huns can represent all the peoples of the steppes that have been linked with the Huns such as the Hunu and the Xiongnu, which would make them more significant than just Atilla's kingdom
Honestly I wish Atheism was removed completely and was kept only in the campaign scenario where it's relevent (like how one Rajendra scenario has a tech you can only research there)
I still preferred the Mangudai and siege weaponry of the Mongols, but still, gotta admire the Huns for having one of the most interesting AoE II campaigns for its time.
Oh, I can add to this: They nerfed Atheism in DE! In HD, if you research Atheism in the Wonder Race game mode, you get 100 additional years to finish your own wonder (Does not work in post imp starts). This made Huns unbeatable, as no Eco-Bonus gave that much of an edge and they only had to finish researching while you were still building. In DE's wonder race, you still lose the moment the wonder is completed. At least it was this way when DE was released.
I like the concept of the Hun wonder as it gives them the spooky character of builders of ruins, the civilization whose greatest achievement is destruction.
"going purely for trash was relatively common" Ah yes, My very first multiplayer game happened because a friend said "Don't built trash" when we were advising another on strats. I replied "I spam trash" and we had a 1v1 to prove each other wrong. I won with my skirmisher army and a small amount of champions to destroy his stables in order to stop his knight rush.
Hey there. Seeing that you will eventually run out of civs to talk about, I was thinking that you can also review how things like the milicia rush, the trebuchet (o siege tactics in general), the build order, or the fast castle developed through the ages.
Not Hun related but does anyone else remember having to disable explorer in windows xp to get the original disc version of AOE2 to display proper colors?
Every other civ has to manage 5 different resources, but the Huns only have to manage 4. That's a pretty huge bonus. No wonder they remained so popular over the years.
can I sugest something very stupid but I think it woul be really cool! how about make the original civ with original stats against the today civ stats to see who wins! It would be very hard to do that is why I think it is stupid ^^
If its two things I've learnt about this game in the last 20 years it's that Huns are Huns and Mayans are Mayans. Still questioning the legitimacy of every other civ's identity but we'll get there one day I'm sure.
Your videos are great and I found them so interesting. Talking about civs and nationalism, when they realised Hums, AoE II The Ago of Conquest, the Spanish civ, should'nt be calles "Castilians"?
While not needing to build houses is a nice feature for the huns along with cheaper cav archers, I don't like the large fraction of the tech tree unavailable to them: Give them: 1. This might be a nerf: Why does such a non Europe civ have paladin? Replace cavalier and paladin with Hun cavalry with base stats: 155hp, 15 attack, and 2/3 armor. research to upgrade from knight is 1000 food and 1000 gold (cheaper than current path and only 1 tech). 2. All civilizations need to have access to onager for a siege unit that can take down trees better than the slow aspects of trebuchet. 3. give them: ring archer armor, guard tower, siege engineers, and crop rotation. 4. Unique economic building: Nomadic farm: farm that is different in appearance and makes food from farm animals and can periodically spawn sheep or any other herdables. 5. Unique military building: Nomadic stable: functions like a stable, but can make but not upgrade the following units: scout cavalry or better, cavalry archer or better, tarkan or better, and knight or better.
The exact same reason you just mentioned about the Huns not being a medieval power and therefore should not be in the game, applies exactly the same for the Romans! Why are the Romans in this game? Didn't the devs declare back in 1999: "Rome has fallen and the world is up for grabs"? Ridiculous!!!
I still play the original version from the 90s and the first version of AoC, Wallace, Joan of Arc and Attila missions have such a great design it still has it's full magic, even after all those years.
From a player POV, the Huns are an amazing civ. From historical POV, they should not have been included...or at least not this soon. It would have been cool if they had been included with the latest Roman DLC. Would have been appropriate too. Goths too for that matter. But it is what it is. Too late to cry over spoiled kumis.
Awesome video! Thanks for the effort! I wonder, if Sandy's favorite UT was Atheism, what are his thoughts on its change? Would he be upset or understand or maybe indifferent?
OG Age of Empires games were apparantly going for quite longer compared to today. At least they also had spears and skirms instead of the other stuff nowadays. So maybe the Hun unique tech wasn´t that stupid. Especially in team games.
Lmao when i was a young boy and was playing huns campaign, i was so shocked that i couldnt build houses. I thought it was a purpose to enhance the difficulty. Lmfao back then there wasnt any wikipedia to search or something so there i was... Just typing "how do you turn this on" / "black death" many times to clear the huns campaign 😂😂😂
3:30 my mind has just been blown. No wonder this level is so damn difficult in the campaign. I need to go back and replay it and actually research Atheism.....
20 years ago when I played with my school friends, I always wanted to avoid "Huns war", so I would choose other civs but they won every time using Huns. I hated it lol
Huns feel like Sentinel in MVC2: a Gatekeeper. Reliable and good, if you want to be top tier you need to find a way to defeat huns. Honestly to me, never the best but setting the bar of what is good.
Having not played in a couple decades, nostalgia got me to download this on Xbox and I'm getting wrecked in campaign. I used to be able to brute force the campaign with numbers when enough tarkens and cavalry archers in a raid meant there were no buildings or villagers left. Watching videos I'm not even able to replicate the baiting methods they use as it seems the enemy ai makes a straight line towards my siege no matter how many times I try to lure their army away.
Sadly the Huns seem to be the one who resembles their historic faction the least in appearance. They seriously need different architecture, the northern European architecture does not fit them at all. Ideally they and Mongols get a new one they share. Lancers would also make more sense for them than heavily armoured paladins being one of their most commonly used units. Tarkans still aren't used much in their army compositions so what's left is a faction of which we pretty much only see generic units and a very unsuitable architecture.
While its true that there was some controversy about the origin of the Huns, the consensus after recent decades is that they were Turks of Oghuric affiliation, mostly based on credible studies confirming that the vast majority of attested Hunnic names, as well as all Hunnic successor clans are of evident Oghur Turkic origin. All Hunnic tribes (entirely Oghur Turkic) : Akatziri, Onogurs, Utigurs, Sabirs, Bulgars, Saragurs, Kutrigurs, Barsils, Balanjars Recorded Hunnic names of Turkic origin : Aigan = moon prince; from Turkic aï & can Alp Ilutuer / Ilteber = heroic chieftain; from Turkic alp & iltäbär Althias = six; from Turkic Alti Akkagas = white rock; from Turkic ak & kayač Atakam = elder shaman; from Turkic ata & kam Balach = calf; from Turkic Malaq Berik = strong; from Turkic Berık Basik = governor; from Turkic Bârsiğ Bleda = wise; from Turkic Bildä Bochas = either gullet; from Turkic Boğuz; or bull, from Buqa Dengizich = ocean-like, heavenly; from Turkic teɲez & dêɲri; or, more simply, great lake Donat / Donatu = horse; from Turkic Yonat Edeco = good; from Turkic Ädgü Ellac = to rule; from Turkic el & lä Emmedzur = horse lord; from Turkic Ämäcur Eskam / Esqam = companion of the shaman; from Turkic Eŝkam Hereka / Kreka = pure princess; from Turkic Arïqan Ernakh / Hernac = small man, heroic man; from Turkic Ernäk Iliger = prince man; from Turkic ilig & är Karadach = black mountain; from Turkic Qaradağ Karaton = black cloak; from Turkic Qarâton Kursik = either noble; from Turkic Kürsiğ; or belt-bearer, from Qurŝiq Kutilzis = blessed herald; from Turkic kut & elči Mundzuk = bead; from Turkic Munčuq Oebarsius / Aybars = moon leopard, from Turkic Aïbârs; or dun leopard, from oy & bars Oldogan / Odolgan = either red falcon; from Turkic al & dogan; or chubby, from Tolgun Oktar / Uptar = brave; from Turkic Öctär Ruga / Rua = wise man; from Turkic Ögä Turgun = still/calm; from Turkic Turkun Uldin = six; from Turkic Alti Zolban = shepherd star; from Turkic Čolpan.
I sure hated the huns. I still remember the "hun wars" aera and I quit after a few months of seeing nothing else than "huns everywhere" in most of my games. most boring stuff ever.
Biggest nerf to huns was the loss of the tarkans' attack sound
Has there ever been a statement why they did this? I have never understood this decision. Or is it a bug?
THUMP
Biggeset nerf to the Huns was insulting those creationist Tengriists, by calling them atheists.
@@scintillam_deiIn the Classical world "atheist" essentially meant "godless" and referred to people who didn't uphold accepted civil religion; Socrates was accused of "atheism," and Julian the Apostate referred to Christians as "atheists" because they did not worship the traditional Roman gods. The Huns did not worship the Christian God and had no qualms against looting and destroying churches, so they easily fit this Classical definition.
I can hear T90's brain melting as I read this comment
That AOE timeline timeline is genius and just casually thrown into this video.
I would watch an entire video dedicated just to that
@@danielmunsaka2051same here. Now we want a video dedicate to that AOE Storyline
I think its great too, but it makes Voobly look like it only existed between MSN gaming zone and HD edition, which is not the case. Voobly with Userpatch was much better then HD edition in any ways, and all the pros where playing there up until 2020 when DE came out
@@danielmunsaka2051 I would love it too
There was a major change when DE came out, the Tarkans lost their *thump*, a nerf that they have never recovered from. :(
The unique music of huns when starting the match always gave me goosebumps when I was a kid
Same, it's very ominous.
@@TonyRedgrave Not any more, now their music actually sounds very cheerful
Biggest netf
But it still plays when you do the atheism tech
something that wasnt mentioned is that the second CA bonus nerf wasnt actually meant as a nerf, but was done to compensate for the general reduction in CAs' gold cost from 65 to 60 happening in the same patch. effectively they were changed from 34w55g/30w49g to 36w54g/32w48g, allowing them to stay at essentially about the same cost.
Yeah" I missed the cross reference with all CA changes that happened, they always affect Huns heavily
I thought the old one is 28w and not 30w.
@@TheKobasen thats in conquerors -30% for imp, i was comparing between the forgotten and ak changes
I just wanted to write this down as well! I remember that info from another of SOTLs videos :). Well done mate :)!
Yeah but that change meant all other civs had their cav archers significantly cheaper while Huns barely changed the price, effectively nerfing Hun CA in comparison to other civs. So it's still a nerf.
2000:Huns are Huns
2023:Huns still in fact Huns
Boy, it's really been 23 years since I was gifted Aoe 2: Conquerors at a Christmas. I remember opening the guidebook, the tech tree wet-ink sheet and cold saturdays logging in and playing the Huns Campaign. Good times gents, good times
Hah yeah. I came home to a message from my good buddy (landline answering machine - didn't have a cell phone!) telling me to come over and check out this sweet medieval computer game he bought. It was retail Age of Kings. After trying it, the next day I bought it myself!
Those were the days man. So much has changed.
My brother and I almost pissed our pants when huns were added to Age of Empires II. Would play day in and day out in the winter.
Father Armand was silent for a long time. He glanced over at the head on a stake. 'A Hunnic trophy,' he said. 'I think the man was a Visigoth. He died at the Battle of the Catalaunian Fields. I keep it here so that I may see it every day and remember.' 'Remember what, Father?' I asked him.
The scent of a burning village. The sound of butchery. The way the peasants would flee before the Hun riders. The way we would ride them down. The way it felt to conquer alongside Attila and the Huns.
He leaned so close I could feel his breath. 'Sometimes...
... I miss it.'
Huns are such a beginner-friendly civ. With the numerous complications you have to learn early-game, a civ that completely eliminates one of them, the need for keeping up on houses, inevitably makes things simpler for people just starting to learn. I'm glad that bonus never got removed because it is, in my opinion, absolutely core to their identity.
I wouldn't call them "beginner friendly". Lack of houses develops bad habits in playing.
Sandy Peterson: here is a new Civ
Players: complain it is too OP
Sandy Peterson: You Challenge My Every Decision, it is as if you seek to lead the Huns yourself!
As a kid I absolutely though the house bonus was the most powerful in the game lol
It is still the most powerful single bonus in the game, no doubt about it.
The worse you are the more powerful it is, and everyone back then was very bad
@@gosphor2826 The most powerful single bonus in the game is Free Wheelbarrow and Hand Cart. Upon going into the feudal age you have an instant 3 villager lead, extra speed and carry capacity on top of the resource cost. Hand cart is not as strong as free wheelbarrow but it still is quite significant.
True, it felt like the x256 for noobs lol
I miss the carnage of old AOE2. With corpses, skeletons and projectile everywhere. Telling story of battel that took place. Shame they didn't implemented it in new AOE2. It seems to me like a very imported part of game visuals is missing.
I'm looking forward to the video about the koreans and their 12 range siege onagers.
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How about 9 range war wagons?
@@randomgammingpro956are you laughing or correcting the range? 11
i like the idea of the hun campaign mission of destroying wonders just as much as the historic battle of destroying all the castles in the Nobunaga mission, shame there's so much to see, yet not enough to do in one playthrough, representing a time when the faction's leader was steamrolling towns,
Hun Wars were made to sound so ubiquitous that for like two years I just assumed Voobly had only ported Huns in for a while due to some technical limitations.
I mean the developers _probably_ intended the game to be played on "standard" by default instead of any of the others.
"HUNS ARE HUNS"
Not to mention, Attila the Hun campaign is arguably the best and most legendary of all the campaigns.
Sometimes... I miss it.
@@osrictemper4225 goosebumps every time
PLEASE DO MORE OF THESEEEE. I love this series!!
I would love to see the ranked ladder be standard victory for a while to see what happens
Not much, probably. The alternative win conditions need you to control the game to the point where you basically won the game already. The exceptions will be very rare.
me too. I agree with the other commenter it woudn't change that much, and I think it shouldn't, but in rare situations it could give it a very nice twist.
things might change quite a bit at the lower levels (i.e. LEL shenanigans), where players take things slower, tend to be more cautious, massing troops rather than raiding, etc. So there would be a lot more opportunity, time, and resources to throw at alternate victory conditions.
Huns were my favorite civ by far as a kid, mostly because I hated dealing with population management.
Before The Forgotten was an official expansion, the Huns lost stone walls in some versions of the Forgotten Empires mod. It would be interesting to see how much of an impact that would have today.
I don't even play this game. I just watch every video SotL put out.
I haven't played since I was a kid, who couldn't even read English.
As a magyar, I'm offended by Petersen's words! Kidding aside I always wondered why there isn't a magyar campaign as our medieval history is quite rich, going from being one of the most feared nomadic marauders of europe (just look up battle of pressburg for example) to eventually settling down, founding a country and adopting conventional european tactics and religion, being a prosperous big kingdom, fighting hard and being raided by mongols, beating them the second time, then fighting against turks for hundreds of years, country being split into 3 pieces etc. and I'm quite sure a lot of people heard of the black army of Hungary.
He's American, that should explain it.
Tarkans are great now. I rarely go for paladins as huns. I know pallies are stronger, but tarkans with 170hp, being cheaper than a paladin (both unit cost and upgrade wise) and having 8 pierce armor is just too good to pass. That +10ish bonus dmg against buildings is also noticeable.
If nothing else, it really should be brought to the fore just how much potential has been lost in AOE variety with the whole 1v1 conquest mainstream. The idea of defensive civs and wonders being viable sound like a really interesting gamble, and I especially would love to see something along the lines of diplomacy ranked games. Maybe with a nomad start, 8 players. Probably the full AOE experience as designed.
Attila is smiling smiles down from above, for all the "Huns are great" remarks throughout the video. As do I, a fervidly Huns enjoyer.
I liked the new editing tricks you tried out in this video! I think the rotating of information panes to remove them from view helps with transitioning info - Sometimes I'll miss a transition if there's two similar slides that flick between each other. Interested to see this experimentation continue!
Hans are Hans, ayayay
The huns campaign was the reason i studied the history behind those specific moments
Because i was 100% certain flavius kept fighting for the roman empire until he was assassinated by the emperor's orders instead of retiring after the catalaunian fields like the campaign said
BBQTurkman? Man... That's a name I haven't heard in years... Huns... I had a deep hatred for them for years, I remember the huns wars VIVIDLY, everytime I wanted to play a game, everyone had to be huns or you had to fight against someone who was huns (most likely in Arabia) and everyone was huns, I got so sick of huns I ended up playing in GameRanger and later on HD.
They should have made a webside called OnlyHuns back then.
Love the series but i loved even more the Membtv quote ❤... "Huns are Huns" 😂
Hans are hans!
As someone who is part Korean and loves history it was really disappointing that the unique land unit for Korea is completely made up and has no basis in history. Especially when there was an obvious choice in the Hwach'a which is very famous and highlights Korea's historical prowess in innovation.
Thing is, Hun Wars were popular almost immediately, well before Voobly. Go back to any high level game from the Zone and 99.9% chance it's a Hun War.
Funny how Huns have always been one of the most popular civs yet is probably one of my least played alongside Goths and Cumans.
Sounds like you like defense
@@gletscherminze9372 Kinda, but i am capable of pulling off agressive strats or rush, just not consistenly enough. I play almost all civs but i almost never pick those (unless its random)
@@lloydlejack-official I jasu said that because these are the civs with the worst defensive options: only watch towers and two of them are lacking stone walls. Huns are also among my least played civs. They just feel kinda generic to me. My favourites are those with aggressive archer openings like Dravidians or Saracens.
SOTL: Age of Empires
Subtitles: Age of Vampires
... It was on this day I found out that AoE2 had it's own version of "1V1 Final Destination No Items Fox Only" lol
0:38 wasted opportunity to write dark age/feudal age/etc
You should point out that even with their CA discount got "huge" nerfs, CA gold cost was also reduced through the ages. Since In the Age of Conquerors, In castle age their cost was 30w52,5g, as of now their cost is 36w54g. In imperial age their cost in AoC was 28w49g and now it is 32w48g.
No mention of house cost buff from 30w to 25w that was a Hun nerf?
I imagine they’re also popular with beginners due to having some of the easiest build orders in the game. For those who get overwhelmed by other beginner-friendly civs for having a huge tech tree, there are ones like the Huns who are straightforward and easy to pick up and play.
The Huns. The mounted civilization based on a historical civilization famous by their horseback army.
Which never appear in first positions on top 10's related to mounted units.
Never the first, but always around.
Most know as the civ who don't build houses.
Ps: Why Huns doesn't have steppe lancers??
Peterson had really good ideas, his historycal knowledge it's often incorrect or influenced with old school belief about civilization.
Some of his interview are absurd in particular when talking about "barbaric invasions"
The Barbars killed everyone and nothing was left, so that's why in AoE you start only with few villagers and not a semi-developed city
Just so people know: While the Huns weren't "atheists" in the modern sense, they *were* atheists in the Classical sense of "godless heathens" (they did not worship the Christian God and regularly looted and destroyed churches). As a parallel, Julian the Apostate had labeled Christians "atheists" because they did not worship the traditional Greco-Roman gods.
I love this video. I think more modern players might not realize this, but Huns truly broke but also defined this game. When the expansion came out, people only wanted to play Huns. Even though Mayans were my favorite, I probably played more Huns than anyone else. For many years, AoE2 was Huns, and Huns were AoE2. They’re mid tier now, but always feel nostalgic when I see them picked these days.
Is the concern about modern connotations why there are "Franks" and "Britons" in the game when the campaigns and most of the unique units and techs (axemen notwithstanding) are clearly treating them as French and English instead?
The UT is still a bit uselee, wwhy not adding some pillaging bonus to it ? Gold when attaching town center/monasteries/wonder etc etc
Are we not gonna talk about how Huns were heavily nerfed with their starting song in DE?
THE SCOURGE OF GOD IS COMING RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!
Huns can represent all the peoples of the steppes that have been linked with the Huns such as the Hunu and the Xiongnu, which would make them more significant than just Atilla's kingdom
Honestly I wish Atheism was removed completely and was kept only in the campaign scenario where it's relevent (like how one Rajendra scenario has a tech you can only research there)
I still preferred the Mangudai and siege weaponry of the Mongols, but still, gotta admire the Huns for having one of the most interesting AoE II campaigns for its time.
Oh, I can add to this: They nerfed Atheism in DE!
In HD, if you research Atheism in the Wonder Race game mode, you get 100 additional years to finish your own wonder (Does not work in post imp starts). This made Huns unbeatable, as no Eco-Bonus gave that much of an edge and they only had to finish researching while you were still building.
In DE's wonder race, you still lose the moment the wonder is completed.
At least it was this way when DE was released.
Huns are Huns
I like the concept of the Hun wonder as it gives them the spooky character of builders of ruins, the civilization whose greatest achievement is destruction.
"going purely for trash was relatively common"
Ah yes, My very first multiplayer game happened because a friend said "Don't built trash" when we were advising another on strats. I replied "I spam trash" and we had a 1v1 to prove each other wrong. I won with my skirmisher army and a small amount of champions to destroy his stables in order to stop his knight rush.
Hans are Hans indeed!
I love these unit history videos. Thanks for putting in lots of work to put these together.
Hey there. Seeing that you will eventually run out of civs to talk about, I was thinking that you can also review how things like the milicia rush, the trebuchet (o siege tactics in general), the build order, or the fast castle developed through the ages.
What about the biggest nerf, the starting music?
Not Hun related but does anyone else remember having to disable explorer in windows xp to get the original disc version of AOE2 to display proper colors?
So there was a way to fix this for al these years?
Every other civ has to manage 5 different resources, but the Huns only have to manage 4. That's a pretty huge bonus. No wonder they remained so popular over the years.
can I sugest something very stupid but I think it woul be really cool! how about make the original civ with original stats against the today civ stats to see who wins! It would be very hard to do that is why I think it is stupid ^^
It should be pretty easy. There are tools to create your own civs on the internet. There should be some way to include old bonuses.
2:00 i dont care how they were portrayed im just happy the portuguese got added
Let's get down to business
I love this series! Hope spanish will get on this series too.
Bottom line: Huns are huns
Atheism adds a HUNdred years.
OGs remember when they were considered the best civ in the game and 1v1 Huns on Arabia was literally everywhere lol
If its two things I've learnt about this game in the last 20 years it's that Huns are Huns and Mayans are Mayans.
Still questioning the legitimacy of every other civ's identity but we'll get there one day I'm sure.
I remember reading a contemporary review of the Conquerers expansion that thought the Huns were, by far, the weakest new civ. Predictions are hard.
Your videos are great and I found them so interesting.
Talking about civs and nationalism, when they realised Hums, AoE II The Ago of Conquest, the Spanish civ, should'nt be calles "Castilians"?
While not needing to build houses is a nice feature for the huns along with cheaper cav archers, I don't like the large fraction of the tech tree unavailable to them: Give them:
1. This might be a nerf: Why does such a non Europe civ have paladin? Replace cavalier and paladin with Hun cavalry with base stats: 155hp, 15 attack, and 2/3 armor. research to upgrade from knight is 1000 food and 1000 gold (cheaper than current path and only 1 tech).
2. All civilizations need to have access to onager for a siege unit that can take down trees better than the slow aspects of trebuchet.
3. give them: ring archer armor, guard tower, siege engineers, and crop rotation.
4. Unique economic building: Nomadic farm: farm that is different in appearance and makes food from farm animals and can periodically spawn sheep or any other herdables.
5. Unique military building: Nomadic stable: functions like a stable, but can make but not upgrade the following units: scout cavalry or better, cavalry archer or better, tarkan or better, and knight or better.
The exact same reason you just mentioned about the Huns not being a medieval power and therefore should not be in the game, applies exactly the same for the Romans! Why are the Romans in this game? Didn't the devs declare back in 1999: "Rome has fallen and the world is up for grabs"? Ridiculous!!!
I still play the original version from the 90s and the first version of AoC, Wallace, Joan of Arc and Attila missions have such a great design it still has it's full magic, even after all those years.
From a player POV, the Huns are an amazing civ. From historical POV, they should not have been included...or at least not this soon. It would have been cool if they had been included with the latest Roman DLC. Would have been appropriate too. Goths too for that matter.
But it is what it is. Too late to cry over spoiled kumis.
So the only thing that hasnt really changed is that noone ever uses tarkans.
Awesome video! Thanks for the effort! I wonder, if Sandy's favorite UT was Atheism, what are his thoughts on its change? Would he be upset or understand or maybe indifferent?
OG Age of Empires games were apparantly going for quite longer compared to today.
At least they also had spears and skirms instead of the other stuff nowadays.
So maybe the Hun unique tech wasn´t that stupid.
Especially in team games.
Lmao when i was a young boy and was playing huns campaign, i was so shocked that i couldnt build houses. I thought it was a purpose to enhance the difficulty.
Lmfao back then there wasnt any wikipedia to search or something so there i was...
Just typing "how do you turn this on" / "black death" many times to clear the huns campaign 😂😂😂
T90 would be sad since SOTL didn't talk about the thump of the Tarkans...
3:30 my mind has just been blown.
No wonder this level is so damn difficult in the campaign. I need to go back and replay it and actually research Atheism.....
Huns just need Steppe Lancer added with the Cav archer discount!
20 years ago when I played with my school friends, I always wanted to avoid "Huns war", so I would choose other civs but they won every time using Huns. I hated it lol
They should have sticked to Unique Horse Archer at Hun Castles...
Tarkans never existed in history.
I still love playing against the AI as Huns and just flooding the enemy base with Tarkans. They melt walls and TCs in a large group.
Huns feel like Sentinel in MVC2: a Gatekeeper.
Reliable and good, if you want to be top tier you need to find a way to defeat huns.
Honestly to me, never the best but setting the bar of what is good.
Having not played in a couple decades, nostalgia got me to download this on Xbox and I'm getting wrecked in campaign.
I used to be able to brute force the campaign with numbers when enough tarkens and cavalry archers in a raid meant there were no buildings or villagers left.
Watching videos I'm not even able to replicate the baiting methods they use as it seems the enemy ai makes a straight line towards my siege no matter how many times I try to lure their army away.
Sadly the Huns seem to be the one who resembles their historic faction the least in appearance.
They seriously need different architecture, the northern European architecture does not fit them at all. Ideally they and Mongols get a new one they share.
Lancers would also make more sense for them than heavily armoured paladins being one of their most commonly used units. Tarkans still aren't used much in their army compositions so what's left is a faction of which we pretty much only see generic units and a very unsuitable architecture.
Huns are huns
While its true that there was some controversy about the origin of the Huns, the consensus after recent decades is that they were Turks of Oghuric affiliation, mostly based on credible studies confirming that the vast majority of attested Hunnic names, as well as all Hunnic successor clans are of evident Oghur Turkic origin.
All Hunnic tribes (entirely Oghur Turkic) :
Akatziri, Onogurs, Utigurs, Sabirs, Bulgars, Saragurs, Kutrigurs, Barsils, Balanjars
Recorded Hunnic names of Turkic origin :
Aigan = moon prince; from Turkic aï & can
Alp Ilutuer / Ilteber = heroic chieftain; from Turkic alp & iltäbär
Althias = six; from Turkic Alti
Akkagas = white rock; from Turkic ak & kayač
Atakam = elder shaman; from Turkic ata & kam
Balach = calf; from Turkic Malaq
Berik = strong; from Turkic Berık
Basik = governor; from Turkic Bârsiğ
Bleda = wise; from Turkic Bildä
Bochas = either gullet; from Turkic Boğuz; or bull, from Buqa
Dengizich = ocean-like, heavenly; from Turkic teɲez & dêɲri; or, more simply, great lake
Donat / Donatu = horse; from Turkic Yonat
Edeco = good; from Turkic Ädgü
Ellac = to rule; from Turkic el & lä
Emmedzur = horse lord; from Turkic Ämäcur
Eskam / Esqam = companion of the shaman; from Turkic Eŝkam
Hereka / Kreka = pure princess; from Turkic Arïqan
Ernakh / Hernac = small man, heroic man; from Turkic Ernäk
Iliger = prince man; from Turkic ilig & är
Karadach = black mountain; from Turkic Qaradağ
Karaton = black cloak; from Turkic Qarâton
Kursik = either noble; from Turkic Kürsiğ; or belt-bearer, from Qurŝiq
Kutilzis = blessed herald; from Turkic kut & elči
Mundzuk = bead; from Turkic Munčuq
Oebarsius / Aybars = moon leopard, from Turkic Aïbârs; or dun leopard, from oy & bars
Oldogan / Odolgan = either red falcon; from Turkic al & dogan; or chubby, from Tolgun
Oktar / Uptar = brave; from Turkic Öctär
Ruga / Rua = wise man; from Turkic Ögä
Turgun = still/calm; from Turkic Turkun
Uldin = six; from Turkic Alti
Zolban = shepherd star; from Turkic Čolpan.
He said it, I was waiting for it all video: HUNS ARE HUNS !
Bravo
Hans are Hans
I missed out on this one. Great summary and certainly worth watching even in a couple years.
Frist one here to watch the video
I sure hated the huns. I still remember the "hun wars" aera and I quit after a few months of seeing nothing else than "huns everywhere" in most of my games. most boring stuff ever.
Sandy Peterson stated that they were all surprised by the fact that wonders weren't used in multi-player.
So cool😊. Do we already have Aztecs in trough the ages or... Not yet? 🤫
Honestly I had no idea what the Hun unique tech currently does, I just assumed it's something useless