Ruger American Predator - 358 Winchester
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2021
- This is my Ruger American Predator chambered in the 358 Winchester. I received this rifle as a gift. It's my dedicated black bear rifle. I'm shooting sub MOA with Buffalo Bore ammo and I get 1.5 MOA while using Hornady Custom ammo.
The rifle is fun to shoot! I'd say the recoil is comparable to the 30-06 Springfield. But with a muzzle brake it shoots more like the 7mm-08 Remington.
I believe less than 300 of these were made by Ruger for a gun shop called Grice's in PA. They were sold out before I knew they existed, but I consider myself lucky to have stumbled onto a used one at my local gun shop. Mine has an 18" barrel, without a muzzle break and I've heard them called Ruger American Carbines, the only one of the Ruger Americans to have that designation. At first mine had a big problem feeding from the original magazine, but luckily they use the same magazine as the .308 Ruger American rifles so replacing the magazine was easy and solved the issues mine had. I put a laminated Boyd's gun stock on mine and topped it with a Leupold 2-7x33 scope. This rifle chambered in .358 Win. is ideal for the Pennsylvania woods.
You're absolutely correct about how fast they sold! I seen it in their sales flyer. Stated limited run of 400 for $399.00.. so it was a no brainer.
I scooped mine up ASAP :)
Glad to hear you found another 358 Winchester.. the 18 inch barrel would be sweet!
My 350 legend has an 18 inch barrel and I love that rifle! Points fast low recoil handy accurate and the ammo is inexpensive! I put a Boyds stock on the 350 Legend and a Glades tactical bolt knob.
My Ruger American Predator in 358 Winchester has a threaded 22 inch barrel. I purchased the muzzle break afterwards.. but don't feel that it's necessary. Just makes it softer at the bench.
Thanks for stopping by :)
I am sure that 358 win gives them white tails a fast for ever dirt nap !
That 35 cal bullet expanded passing through a deer wrecks everything.
I think everyone in PA knows Grice's.
@@Mark-uq9kmjust came across your comment 😮
Yeah.. Grice is the place in Pennsylvania ❤
Thanks for showing us this terrific rifle in a GREAT caliber. I am absolutely baffled why Ruger did just one, tiny run of these rifles. The very few used .358 Winchester bolt-action models on the market all carry very high price tags (highlighting demand) and EVERY gun writer I follow continues to praise the .358 to the skies and to lament its "demise." What's wrong with this picture?!? Chris (in Maine)
Oh I completely agree with you.. and from what I understand Grice Gun Shop here in Pennsylvania.. bought 400.. just to have them made!
The were an exclusive at their gun shop!
Every year they seem to do a run of something.. but haven't noticed anything new since COVID.. sadly
Usually every time they get 35 Whelen's in they sell those too!
They had Remington produce a lot for them.. the pump action that is!
I believe that the last one was 6mm Remington Ruger American Predator rifles for $399.. so we'll see what they come up with.. probably here soon.. hopefully :)
Sweet! Cool that a major company chambered a rifle in that cartridge (or any .35 cal). I recently acquired an old 1956 BRNO zg47 action rebarrelled in .358 Norma Magnum. The .35 cals are so under appreciated. Everyone only cares about having the highest bc while 99 percent of hunting shots will happen inside 400 yards, 90 percent inside 250 probably. At those ranges there’s much to be said for THUMPING POWER!
Sounds like a fantastic find!
I agree.. most game is definitely harvested inside 200 yards. If you're hunting from zero to 300.. there's plenty of calibers to choose.
I'd say a lot of people dislike the 35's due to not giving them a shot.. but for those of us that do.. we simply fell in love 💕
@@blackie1of4 that’s what I keep hearing. They have a very small but fiercely loyal cult following. And as for flag shooting…my Norma magnum is just getting started, I’m in the load work up phase (handloader) and it’s not breaking a sweat (or showing pressure) sending 250 grain hornadys at 2750 fps. That’s as fast as a stiffly loaded .30-06 sends 180s. It’s not as flat as a 7mm or .30 cal magnum but good grief I ain’t throwing rocks at them either 🤣
@@roadkillanonymous4807 no doubt about it.. the 358 Norma is a beast!
That'd be great for grizzly bear.. well.. anything in North America
Sounds and looks awesome. What a steal!
Thank you!
Yeah.. when I seen they had them for $399.00 .. I had to get me one! Actually used it ( well I've been using it ) this past hunting season on a big bodied half rack buck! Knocked him off his feet and he still ran about 75 yards! Took out the lungs and clipped the heart!
Deer are tough!!!
@Third Blackie Boy that's awesome! Yes they sure are tough.
Congrats Mark! One of my favorite all around hunting caliber, let us know how she shoots.
Thank you 😊
I absolutely love the 35 calibers!
This particular setup shoots the Hornady Custom ammo 1.5 MOA at 100 yards. It shoots Buffalo Bore ammo .75 MOA at 100 yards.
Both have the same point of aim.. so either one is going to handle anything I'd hunt with it :)
I haven't got to see first hand as of yet.. but it's my dedicated black bear rifle here in Pennsylvania.
I went to the 350 Legend for whitetail deer with excellent results.
My lineup for hunting deer/black bear here in Pennsylvania:
358 Winchester
7mm-08 Remington
350 Legend
30-30 Winchester
This year I'll be trying to get one with my 7mm-08 :)
@@blackie1of4 WOW! .75" with Buffalo Bore that's great. Looks like you have all the right calibers, thanks for sharing.
Great PA deer and bear cartridge !
Thanks brother.. I definitely agree with you!
The 358 Winchester is about perfect for black bear.. and I'm sure deer won't like it either :)
I was at the range last week and got right under an inch with the Hornady Custom 200 grain loads. I posted that video on here as well.
Thanks for stopping by
@@blackie1of4 Good luck this season !
@@chrisdikovics3580 you too brother!
@@chrisdikovics3580 just stopped back to let you know that.. I actually used this rifle on a buck in November. Knocked him off his feet and he still boggied 125 yards without lungs and a hole in his heart.
Deer are tough creatures.. that's for sure!
It was a 3 1/2 year old 3 point half rack! He must have busted the other side off during the rut. His skull was fractured and the pedicule was broken clean off under his scalp! He had a huge abscess above his left eye and another puncher in the middle of his head!
Caught him slipping chase a doe and two yearlings!
Super cool round, you should upload some videos firing that rifle. The other day I was on Winchesters website and the 358 Win wasn't listed as an product. I hope Winchester didn't discontinued making that ammunition. Iowa just legalized most 35 calibers and bigger for deer season.
I'll try to get one together. The only ammo available is Hornady Custom and Buffalo Bore. Which is scarce!
I have three boxes for now.
Winchester only manufactures the .358Win 200gr Silvertip load every 3-4 years. And brass at that same time. Thankfully, brass is available from Jamison, Starline, Quality Cartridge, Winchester (occasionally) and Hornady (listed in order of quality, best to worst). Loaded ammo I’m not sure about, I don’t buy loaded ammo for use in my firearms as I load for them all myself. My hunting load is the Barnes 180gr TTSX loaded over a max charge of Ramshot TAC making 2850fps from a 19” barrel. Wish I could find a Ruger American in .358, would be a nice pack rifle.
That Buffalo Bore sounds like your "do anything" round. I have the BLR version and the 358 is a fantastic hunting cartridge.
Yeah.. the 358 Winchester is a great cartridge. Not a lot of people know anything about it.. but those of us that gave it a shot fell in love.
The Hornady Custom and Buffalo Bore have the same point of aim in my rifle. Yet.. Buffalo Bore shoots tighter groups.
Ammo has become a big issue.. however.. the day I recorded this video I stopped at a local shop and found two boxes of the Hornady.
There was hardly any ammo.. but I looked all the way down the shelves and there it was.
The guy behind the counter asks.. " what are you going to use these for "
I simply said.. black bear/deer :)
I'd love to get a BLR one of these days. I like the Savage 99 as well. The Browning is one beautiful rifle ❤️
@@blackie1of4 Recommend you get a reloading die and convert used 308 brass to 358. Very easy to use and there are a lot of 35 cal bullet choices.
@@TXLorenzo definitely on my 2022 list of things to get. Thank you
Oh man, I would love to have a BLR in .358
Another cartridge for serious work down in the woods. For bear and hogs it's gotta be a near ideal package. And .35 caliber is nearly a big bore cartridge, with most of the magic that comes with that category.
I haven't seen a bear in season yet!
But that's exactly what I got her for :)
Thanks for stopping by
@@blackie1of4 Well, I would say you need to make your own luck on those bear hunts. Whatever it takes to change the odds of seeing a bear during bear season needs to be done. Your rifle needs an opportunity to show it's stuff. You will not be disappointed.
Anytime a commercial gun maker does rifles in the 358 win or 35 Wheelen the guns are sold as fast as put on the shelf for sale so I really can't understand why the company's always make short runs of these 35 caliber rifles that the public really like and want.
For hunters that know about the Marlin 35 Remington again that cartridge is a Ledgen and is a very old cartridge that continues to be commercial loaded and loved for how affective it is to take down game.
Remington made there auto loader and pump rifle in the 35 Wheelen then those rifles sold as fast as put up for sale and try to find a used one for sale is near impossible.
For the AR 10 shooter the 358 win barrels are sold by KAK industries which sells so many of the AR 10 358 win barrels if you want one you need to get on the waiting list to buy one.
You're absolutely correct.. I always say.. those that try 35 calibers fall in love with them. I picked up a 350 Legend a few years ago.. and harvested a big bodied pennsylvania eight point with it. I'd compare the Legend to the 35 Remington. It the modern day version.
I always look for the 35 Remington at gun shops.. to no avail!
I have experience with three 35 calibers.. the 350 Remington Mag.. the 358 Winchester.. and the 350 legend. I love them all!
@@blackie1of4 I gathered up Marlin 336 parts starting with a 30-30 receiver all together then found on Ebay the Marlin 336 35 Rem bolt and barrel then put all the parts together to make a Marlin 336 in 35 Remington.
If you can't find a Marlin in 35 Rem you make one that is what I did.
I do AR 10 rifle uppers in some of oddest cartridges so I just did a new AR 10 upper in 375 - 325 WSM.
So I could do a AR 10 upper in the 35 - 325 WSM .
The reamer is available from Pacific Tool & gauge and the WSM magnum AR 10 bolt is at KAK Industry's with the rifle gas tube + 3 inches can be bought at other gun parts sides.
I have built and sold another AR 10 upper in 35-284 win so this can match the loading of a 35 Wheelen.
Danggg, never even heard about these!!!
They were sold in center Pennsylvania.. apparently they made a special run of 400 Ruger American Predators. As soon as I saw them advertised.. I picked mine up!
I've seen them on GunBroker for $800 recently
@@blackie1of4I bet it would be easy to barrel swap a 308 Ruger American to 358 win. I'm definitely interested in going this route
@@tonkatank045 most definitely could do that!
The 308 Winchester is a great cartridge though.. I did see that NULA is chambering rifles in 358 Winchester. Out of my price range.. but I'd love to have one!
I recently picked up a CVA Scout chambered in 35 Whelen.. and it is so much fun to shoot too!
I took the muzzle break off though.. damn it's loud with it!!!
Probably the easiest barrel swap is with a savage 110.. if you find a decent used one.. say $300 .. and pick up the barrel at Midway USA.. $250.. you can do it yourself as long as you have a vise :)
Cool rifle! I had no idea that Ruger did a run in .358.
Which county do you hunt black bear in?
Sorry.. I just now noticed your comment. They made 400 of these back in 2018-2019. I was looking at the Remington 760's in 35 Whelen and the Savage Hog Hunter in 338 Federal when these came out at Grice Gun shop.
For $399.. it was a no brainer!
I bear hunt in Cambria county. Haven't seen one in rifle season.. only in small game season. My two older brothers and nephew have gotten one though.. ONE!
@@blackie1of4 we haven’t gotten one out of or camp in Tioga county. Same deal: we see bear in every season except bear.
@@SuburbanRifleman the lure of the bear 🐻.. they're a lot smarter than deer.
I do appreciate the concurrent season with deer during rifle.. however.. a lot more get harvested during the early archery and muzzleloader season.
One day hopefully.. if not.. I'm happy just getting out :)
Cool gun. Though I never held one in my hands, I do have the hearts for the little big bore 308. The same goes for the .35 Whelen.
Most definitely has a cool factor!
The 358 Winchester is just shy of the 35 Whelen.. I happen to love the entire 308 Winchester family!
The 358 Winchester
The 338 Federal
The 308 Winchester
The 7mm-08 Remington
The 260 Remington and
The 243 Winchester
However.. the 30-06 Springfield family is my second love!
The 35 Whelen
The 338-06 Ackley Improved
The 30-06 Springfield
The 280 Remington
The 270 Winchester and
The 25-06 Remington
@@blackie1of4 All good cartridges, my personal favorites of the American cartridges are .222 Remington and .257 Roberts.
@@infantilepillock1687 great choices for favorites!
My favorite since 2000 has been the 7mm-08 Remington! Prior to that it was the 30-06 Springfield!
But if I could only have two firearms.. I'd choose the 223 Remington and the 308 Winchester. Both of them are readily available ammo wise and would cover anything in North America.
@@blackie1of4 I've had lengthy conversations with friends on this topic and we've come to the same conclusion, even if we don't reside in North America: Ammo selection, price, availability and performance (on game as well with silencers) make .223 and .308 the only viable choices, everything else is just toying around.
7mm-08 is another great round, imho the better .308 with higher BC and SD, but logistics dictate otherwise.
I've got a 9.3x62mm but I'm starting to wonder if I should get a short barrel chambered in .358 win.
Is this a cartridge that deserves a muzzle brake on short barrels?
Honestly.. I don't believe the muzzle break is necessary. The recoil without is comparable to a 30-06 Springfield. With the muzzle break it's like a 7mm-08 Remington.
Great Caliber.
My very first "deer" rifle was a 358 Winchester chambered in a Browning BLR that was 1985 I think. Many deer where put in my freezer with that one!
I hope someone figures a way to "download" images from our brains. What I movie some of us could make!! 😂
Now that would be interesting 🤔
My first rifle that I purchased was a Savage 110 30-06 Springfield. Kinda wish that I didn't trade it in.. on my second deer rifle!
I picked up a beautiful Remington 700 LSS Mountain Rifle.. chambered in 7mm-08 Remington.. so at least I enjoyed the swap 😊
@@blackie1of4 i bought a brand new Ruger 77 in 1984 chambered for 7-08. It was never a great shooter. (None of my 77 's was) but it was purdy a d shot good enough for my 150yard needs hunting Upstate NY. It killed many deer with a 140 Solid Base Nosler bullet and later the Ballistic tip. I switched to the Hornady 154 RN and never looked back! I did try some 120 Solod Bade FP made for tge 7/30 and they "sploded" on a coyote i shot!! I remember I could almost put my fist in the entrance!!!
One of my favorite calibers, have two, a BLR and a Ruger Hawkeye: not a popular caliber out here in Montana, but sufficient for who its for!
Most definitely!
I love the 35's.. they all lay down an amazing blood trail! Even the slower ones!
I always wanted a BLR in 358 Winchester and the Savage 99
Definitely wasn't passing up on the Ruger American Predator for $399
They made a special run of 400 of them and they were off the shelf as soon as they were in stock here in Pennsylvania!
Thank you for stopping by.. :)
Get a cheap reloading kit and some once fired 308 brass. It will pay for itself in no time. I use mostly blc2 powder but cfe223 should work just as well. If you can find them, the Hornady ftx bullet gets great accuracy and performance on target
That's my plan.. I have four boxes of once fired brass.. and three unfired right now.
It definitely is a reloaders cartridge!
Thanks for your comment.. much appreciated 🙂
@@blackie1of4 yeeh it is. Making it from 308 is one stroke of the resizing die. I've never bought a single round
How does it compare to the 35 Whelen ??????????????? ............. enjoy
It's about 150 to 200 fps different as far as velocity and power!
Like comparing the 30-06 & the 308.. which are the parents of these 35 calibers.
The 358 Winchester is underated.. it's a great cartridge for zero to 300 yards. Much the same as most hunting cartridges. With the exception of the 35 caliber entry and exit holes. Always lays down an amazing blood trail!
I would not hesitate to use it on anything in North America!
That being said.. it's a choice.. not the best.. but a good one :)
Let me know if you ever want to sell
That's definitely not gonna happen.. my daughter bought this rifle for me.
Appreciate you asking and stopping by 😉