First run with GoPro Hero 12 Black & Max Lens Mod 2.0
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2023
- I cancelled my order for the GoPro Hero 12 Black.... and then placed it again. I have been testing the Hero 12 Black and the Max Lens Mod 2.0 while running. I am amazed by the video quality, the audio performance and the incredible stabilization from Hyper Smooth 6.0 and the Horizon Leveling, especially from the Lens Mod 2.0.
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I am still disappointed that GoPro removed GPS but everything else is such an upgrade on performance for everything that I need from a GoPro that I am already convinced.
Great review. I have mine on the way with Max Lens Mod 2.0 as well. I wouldn’t have bought the 12 if it wasn’t for this lens. I can’t wait to review it on my kayak, it’s going to make a huge difference in the way I can shoot POV videos from the kayak now.
You are going to love it for kayaking
thanks for the review. I already have the hero 12. My first gopro. Been using Sony a7iv for videos and while it is amazing, its big. Only had it a day so I am learning what it does. Pretty cool. I go hiking a lot and wanted to make videos of the days out. I am not lugging my Sony around so I thought I would give this a go.
I bought a lens mod 2.0 just now based on your video here. I am thinking the extra fov will help capture the landscape better. Compared to the sony stuff everything on the gopro is cheap, that is all relative though.
This was a really solid review with the lens mod. I appreciate it. Would love to see how it holds up while cycling.
Thanks! I shot some footage with it on the bike today, I'll take a look this eve and post something this week.
well, if it handles running this good, it must be a piece of cake to stabilize any cycling video...
I appreciate this. I bought the lens and had no idea how to use it. Now I do, thank u
You are welcome... glad it was helpful
My favorite part of this video is that you had a different name for the Max Lens Mod 2.0 every time you mentioned it. :) In all seriousness though, great video. I really appreciate the sample footage. Looks like this is going to be awesome for skiing. If I could make a request though, if you could upload a video with a FOV comparison with the MLM2.0 with the different digital lens settings, I would appreciate that. Ideally, I'd like to see something static, on a tripod so I can see the FOV for Wide, SuperView, and Hyperview with the MLM2.0 on as well as moving. Some of the digital lens settings look really warped depending on how you're holding the camera.
Ha yes - I should stick to the script more I guess.
I will post a follow up later this week with some comparisons of the three FOV's available on the Max Lens Mod 2.0
Love your work. Just ordered the mod for my Go Pro 12
Thank you! Enjoy the MLM2.0 :-)
Best honest review! I've just got a 12 during BF, but I'm coming from the Hero 7.
Glad you liked it! You will see a HUGE improvement coming from Hero 7 to Hero 12 - enjoy it
Nice one mate - we have just upgraded from the 8's to the 12's massive difference
You are going to see a HUGE difference from 8 to 12
Is it possible to show a dusk to dawn comparison between night time lapse and interval photo mode please?
I’m satisfied with the night time lapse photos from my GoPro 11; I am wondering if the interval photo of the GoPro 12 will be better?
I would expect the Hero 12 to be improved but the only change is software/firmware vs the Hero 11
Loving my Hero 12 with max len 2.0 in POV mtb!
Nice! Chest strap or helmet?
@@ThisIsJulianC chest mount. Would love to test it on a chin mount. Thanks for the vid!
Thank you for the review. I've got one question though - in which FOVs does Horizon Lock work? I googled for an answer for some time but somehow I cannot get it. I understand that HL works only in linar view and with Max Lens Mod 2.0 it works in all fields? Is that correct? I was about to order GP 11 because of the GPS IF MLM2.0 enables Horizon Lock for wider angles then it's a game changer.
The only info I can find relates to the level of stabilization available for each FOV is this article from GoPro, it does not address everything in your question though:
community.gopro.com/s/article/HERO12-Black-Digital-Lenses-FOV-Information?language=en_US
Regarding aspect ration it is much clearer. Horizon Lock is only available in the following 16:9 and 4:3 aspect ratio resolution/frame rate combinations:
* 5.3K: 30/24fps (I am sure this is in Linear only)
* 4K: 60/30/24fps
* 1080p: 120/60/30/24fps
Hope this helps
Great video! Subscribed for more. I sold my 11 for 280€ and got the 12 for 349€. Main reason I upgraded: I love playing with new cameras even though the features/ image quality of the 12 over 11 is not significantly better.
The Hero 12 on it’s own only really benefits from the HDR addition which you will either love or hate. So far I like it. The true benefit of the Hero 12 is the 4K video when paired with the MLM2.0
Great review, thx. Is there anything new or all still valid at this time (June 2024)? Am I wrong or is current version of hero 12 black capable of higher quality video by itself ie without the extra max lens mod 2.0 tool in the review?
It’s still current and yes… the Hero 12 is the best video quality available from a GoPro currently.
Thx for your response. Few things on my mind before going ahead with a purchase:
- rumours/expectations are a new version (hero 13) is likely September 2024, worth waiting?
- I would like to use a GoPro during hikes/runs/motorbiking , but not sure how easy this actually would be, ie saw some review mentioning comms linking renders comms not recorded (true?), also: how to start recording instantly (quik capture not working well, dixit some reviews?), would I need to push a button? On the camera? On a remote? Voice activated? How does that work while driving a motorcycle? Does it start instantaneously or after some seconds? Ie is it really capable of fast starting recording or does it take some time (read Reddit about taking 4secs, but then you miss the moment). Or is the way around that to record all the time and edit post run/drive? Saw somebody mentioning ‘hindsight’ recording whereby 15 or 30secs pre-recording-activation is also saved.
- can such ‘hindsight’-recording be instantly uploaded to the cloud (ie similar to live stream)?
- how detailed can it record items at a distance eg faces and voices recognisable at 20 meters?
Do you have any experience or insights on this? Many thanks!!
@@r2d2v.79 GoPro have typically launched a new camera early Fall every year. The last couple of years have been minor upgrades to the same form factor/shape meaning batteries, cases etc for Hero 12 are the same as for Hero 11, Hero 10 and even Hero 9 launched back in 2020. If I was looking to buy a GoPro today in June I would probably wait for the early Fall release of the next GoPro. I have no intel on what a 'Hero 13' might be like, lots of rumors out there but no info from GoPro directly. I have no experience of motorcycling with a GoPro so can't comment on those specific questions. I find Quick Capture works well. I do not generally use the GoPro remote, I find the connection is not always reliable. If you want to record continuously so as to capture something that may happen at short notice there is a Loop recording mode that will overwrite the recording every XX minutes, that might be the best option for you. Hope this helps.
I haven’t looked at the specs as yet! You, several times, mentioned lack of internal GPS. Does the H12 still accept GPS input for other photo opportunities, such as Timelapse mode for sun rise/set via the QR codes? Realizing the GPS would be inclusive of the QR code!?? Without, at least, the QR code input for GPS coordinates determining, sunrise/set is no longer set and forget, it’s now come back later to retrieve! Does that sound correct???
There is already a GoPro Labs firmware for Hero 12. Because the existing sunrise/sunset QR codes rely on the in-camera GPS this code will not work with the Hero 12. So I think you are correct. If I pick up any more info on this I'll edit this reply.
Just did my first impressions with the HERO 12 on my channel as well. I am very impressed. My Max Lens Mod is on its way. Should have it in a day or so. I am moving up from a HERO 9. My primary motive to upgrade is the wireless Bluetooth mic capability. That will be fabulous for motovlogging.
You have some cool bikes there 👍 - I haven’t tried the Bluetooth mic option, I see a lot of people using AirPods and it sounds bad, I’ll be interested in your view when you try it. You are going to love the MLM2.0 for sure
@@ThisIsJulianC … Thank you! I definitely have a lot of experimenting to do
Your video is awesome and so convincing. I watch 3 times already.
Question: Are you using 3 way fully extended or just minimum form? with lens mod2.0 and during runing.
Thanks - for most clips the 3Way was extended
@@ThisIsJulianCI see so your arm can rest with proper running posture . And let 3way and horizontal on gp12 with mod 2.0 do its work. Thank you for confirmation and review. ^^
great review, just wondering what selfie stick your using for your running
Thanks. See description for a link to it
Have you tried to run with Chest mount and Gopro 12? Is it stable? Or it is still a problem :/ ?
Haven’t tried it yet. When I have run with chest straps before Hero 12 came along the results have not been engaging or stable enough. I’ll try it sometime soon and let you know.
I’m looking to buy my first GoPro soon and i like the 12. I have to ask which exact attachment are you using while running?
This was the Hero 12, Max Lens Mod 2.0 and the 3-way mount
@@ThisIsJulianC thank you for your reply !
The firmware/software updates are great, shame they didn't give them to the 11 seeing as the hardware is all the same apart from the 12 has had the GPS removed.
Agree. Some of the updates will flow down to the 11 for sure maybe in the coming months. For now GoPro will (correctly) want to differentiate their new flagship model as much as possible so those updates might be some months away.
I wouldnt be surprised if someone dissected their 12 and found a perfectly working GPS, just as they already did with the Hero 2018..
That would be interesting to see
im currently trying to choose between the go pro max or hero 12 haha i really love the invisible selfie stick on the max, great review.
My thoughts - I would not get the Max or any of the current 360 action cameras right now. The invisible selfie stick will always impress but you are left with video quality at 1080 when you have reframed it, that does not compare favorably to todays cameras. The Insta360 X3 btw is virtually the same resolution as the GoPro Max so even more recent cameras are not any better. I expect that GoPro are going to bring out a Max 2 later this year, it would explain the lower level of new innovations in the Hero 12 (a warmed up 11 really) and would make good use of the wide FOV technology they have launched with the Max Lens Mod 2.0. If you are choosing between the two today... get the Hero 12 and the lens mod 2.0, or wait for news of a GoPro Max 2 launch. Hope this helps
I am thinking H12 because of HDR video. I have H11. The reason is when you take videos from dark places but bright windows/doors are so blown. Same goes when filming from car. On H11 its either everything in car are so black that its not salvable or thr outside view is overblown which is definitely not salvable.
Any camera will struggle with some of those situations but the HDR video on the Hero 12 should cope with it much better than on the Hero 11.
Is it possible to use a max lens mod as well as an NF filter at the same time?
ND filter**
I am not aware of any way to do that. Max Lens Mod 2.0 is a convex lens, adding additional filters to that would be challenging.
Can you tell me if you GoPro 12 horizon lock works in 5.3 properly mine is like a pendulum .
I have only used it so far with the MLM2.0 attached so I have not used 5.3K. I am going to hike with it this week, I’ll test it out and let you know.
I would appreciate it thanks,I have been on to GoPro and they are looking in to it.@@ThisIsJulianC
Was the review element indoor also shot with the Gopro?
No - The ‘studio’ footage was shot on a Sony A7C
audio sounds great. gopro 12 internal mic?
Correct - internal Hero 12 mic with no post production. Wind filter was on Auto which is why the sound is variable between clips.
Will it have 8:7 aspect ratio and HDR under 4K/60fps when gopro 12 mounted with max lens mod 2.0?
Options are more limited when using the MLM2.0. I do not see the HDR profile as an option when using the MLM2.0. Same for the aspect ratio. With the MLM2.0 the options are 16:9, 9:16 (ie vertical) and 4:3
@@ThisIsJulianC OK understand, thanks for checking this, appreciated it.
Hoping that hero 13 will have a bigger sensor.
Yup me too. We were all expecting that to be the killer feature of the 12....
I 100% agree. I paid 4.99 monthly for the sub. Upgraded to the yearly, which saves me a few bucks yearly on the sub. But the big savings are on my new 12, 100.00 off. AND all of the savings for being a subscriber. I have the dive case, filters, Volta, media mod, suction cup mount, clamp mount, max lens mod 1.0, daytripper backpack, extra batteries and the dual charger (and not just for 11 and 12, I had extras for the previous GoPros as well). I saved quite a bit on those AND my pics and videos are backed up? Yes please. Might still pick up the 2.0 as well... 😂😂
Sounds like you have more than paid for the subscription many times over with the savings! I have found myself buying some things from the GoPro site purely because they were such a bargain. The Volta handle for example, never thought I'd use it but the discount was so deep I bought it anyway... and now the Hero 10 never leaves the Volta it is incredibly useful.
Thank you for this video! Please make more. I will definitely give you a follow’
Thank you! Will do!
What you need the GPS for?
Geotagging
I ordered Max Lens Mode 2.0, but not yet Gopro 12. I bought GoPro 11 not long ago and still 2 months left to return it or not. waiting for some discount of 12. if you are in the USA, easy to get a discount with a subscription, but not in Canada. with shipping and all kinds of fees, GoPro rapes the Canadian customers. if they had their distribution center in Canada, it would be easier like the US buyers.
According to GoPro the Max Lens Mod 2.0 will not work with the Hero 11, but there are people all over Reddit claiming that they are trying it and it works, if you try it let me know how you get on. The Hero 11 with a lens mod will not go above 2.7K however as the older GoPro's do not have the 4K Max lens mod option.
Max lens 2.0 is really good 🤘⚡️🤘✨✨
I am sold on it - wasn’t expecting it to be so good
That max mod footage horizon was so flat with no fisheye. Wow!!
It kinda blew me away too
Very interesting video.
How do you rate the Hero 9?
Is it good enough, or should I get a 10?
Or even 12.
As my 1st GoPro ?
The 10 is £249 right now, so I'm tempted.
The Hero 9 is £200.
Thanks
I would not get the Hero 9 today. It used the same processor from the Hero 8 and was always underpowered, slow to respond to touch controls and generally sluggish. I have been using my Hero 9 up to now and get really good images and footage from it but I find it annoyingly slow to operate. For that reason only I cannot recommend it today when there are better models out there. The Hero 10, Hero 11 and now the Hero 12 all use the second generation GoPro processor, I have had no slow issues with any of them. My advice would be at least get to the Hero 10 or ideally the Hero 11.
@@ThisIsJulianC Thanks for your advice.
Did you ever try the DJI Action 2?
Much appreciated 👍
I have not tried the DJI Action cameras. I use and like the DJI drones, they have some good camera tech in that company. @@spirittravels.
@@ThisIsJulianC cheers 👍
I wanted to buy a 67W, but you say no. What SHALL I buy? A Hero 12?
What are you wanting to use it for
My next video on my channel will be shot with GoPro 12 as well 👍👍👍. I have upgraded from 10 and i am happy ...
Hey, we have the same last name. Very rare!
👍😀
Sent my 6 back for the 8. 7 for the 10. Sending 8 back for the 12. No questions asked. It is a no brainer.
Good strategy
I watched your first video, I remember you saying "sory gopro". Despite this, I still preferred gopro12 for reasons such as longer shooting times and improved image quality. I came across your video today. The GPS issue is still a problem for me and I'm looking for a solution. I don't want to pay such a high price for telemetry. Because the simple labels in the gopro qick are enough for me. However, it annoys me that the application does not receive external gpx data. I saw a few videos, and I saw software codes on github that inject gpx data into the video. But these require advanced software knowledge. GoPRO should not let us down in this regard. A solution must be produced for external gpx data for labels. I would like to know if you have a research or solution in this regard.
I am not aware of any solution to the loss of GPS other than to replace the Hero 12 with a Hero 11
why would someone upgrade their gopro each year?
😆
I dunno. But I’m guilty of it.
I was tickled by your arbitrage financing of the GoPro Hero12 by selling a Hero11, Hero10, or Hero9. Brilliant!
I might’ve done that myself but I’m extremely rough on my GoPro’s using them in crazy surf and at the beach. All of mine (except the new 12) are damaged in one way or another. So, I can’t follow your arbitrage methods. 🤓
It helps me to explain / justify the cost of cameras, GoPros, bikes etc at home too :-)
If you are clear in the description about the condition of any GoPro you are selling on eBay then I think its OK to sell something thats beat up but there is a point where it probably isn't worth the effort to do so.
I sold my H11 for $280 and bought the H12 for $299.... Used buyers never seem to know about the $100 off you can get as a subscriber (and I don't tell them).
Got mine for the same discount right after renewing my GoPro Q app subscription
can i get the $100 off now after i purchase the subs today? or i need to wait 1yeae then renew??
My answer here needs updating - you cannot get the camera discounts now until you reach the anniversary of the GoPro membership.
@@ThisIsJulianC i dont think i got the disount. as it said after renewal then ill get the discout, bummer!
Looks like that is the case today - this is from GoPro's T&C's on their website:
Limit one camera per year. Available to yearly subscribers only upon Subscription renewal.
Accessory purchases are limited to 10 purchases per subscription anniversary year.
The GoPro Subscription discount applies only to purchases made on GoPro.com.
Do you live in America your neighbourhood is beautiful!
This area is close enough to cycle to, it’s very popular with cyclists and runners
12 is a better camera. New software, new firmware. While they COULD have done this with the 11 there might be reasons they could not. Without a tear down it’s hard to see what they did with the internals. But it IS a better camera on so many levels.
Some of the upgrades may filter down to the 11 in a firmware update but likely most of it does not.
@@ThisIsJulianC I do know the operating system is a full on brand new re-write. Along with a new firmware. I imagine they MUST have silently changed the mainboard. All this COULD be new soft/firm… but the transfer speeds seem faster, the mode switching is faster. The start from off is about the same but I would be curious if there is a time difference. I HAVE had to pop the battery a few times as it got angry with me on charging, but a new software update will likely clear that glitch. I get the new one each year cuz they are the only cameras for my sport that are “safe”. :)
Don't know how GoPro can justify £12 postage for a small lens though. Had bigger packages sent for cheaper and next day. But hey ho still got it cheaper than Amazon.
It’s probably ‘marketing costs’. It’s the same here $15 shipping costs for a mount I purchased from GoPro recently so their approach is the same. If I spend $100 however the shipping is then free.
Splurge!!
With GoPro Plus membership this is a sweet deal. I was not expecting to see the upgrade in performance compared to the Hero 11 that I have seen with this Hero 12 & Lens mod 2.0 combination. If you have anything older than a Hero 10 and are thinking if you should upgrade... I think you should.
I agree. Sold my 11 and ordered a 12. And it only cost me in total 25€! That’s insane. And Iam looking forward to buy the lens mod 2.0 very soon. I am more than happy with my deal.
The Lens Mod 2.0 would justify upgrading from Hero 11 to Hero 12 on its own. Plus you'll get HDR video too...
Did I pick up a kiwi accent there Julian?
Not Kiwi - grew up in 🇬🇧
Fish eye. I just turn on the Max Lens for HL 4k without the lens.
like u did
That works 👍
Meanwhile I wanna upgrade my dslr to a mirrorless lol and I got rid of my gopro and moved on to dji
How do you find the DJI Action cameras? DJI Action 4 looks good but I have no experience of it. My drones are all DJI and I am very happy with them.
Bah why reward them ?
Great cameras