This is fascinating. Have I missed the latest news about that upcoming course on Mark's gospel? I'll bet a course from Dr. Tabor on Paul would be an eye-opener for sure. Probably have to be a series. Anyway....
Content is immersing you could speak on this subject from now till end of days. Some perspective here provided are new. Dreams are very subjective but my contention with Paul has been greatly resolved and this lecture added further proof. Paul through the divine spirit of the Holy one sent Yeshua's message in quantum speed to the Roman world. James didn't do that according to gospel the temple was already set for crushing, Paul's training and preparation made way for answering Roman world in some ways we might partially have Steven to thank for Paul's redemption because he forgave them. I don't digress.
Dr. Tabor, you were supposed to be retired! I think you've poured out more new work the last few months than the previous 2 years! And you just got back from Israel. I've really appreciated your lead up to the Resurrection. I'm a fan for life.
Fascinating and informative, thank you, Darren and James. I find it tragically ironic how after the Last Supper Christianity has been all but humble. And it has been very effective at writing James out, one has to admit.
The greatest challenge of this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you are right, but not knowing enough about the subject to know you are wrong…
I personally open to both as legitimate, that God may have empowered both... that Jesus would have been the message to the Jews and Paul perhaps expanding the message to the gentiles in a way that they would accept. I'm not saying it's 100% the case, it's a hypothesis.
وَقَالُوا۟ ٱتَّخَذَ ٱلرَّحْمَـٰنُ وَلَدًا سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥ بَلْ عِبَادٌ مُّكْرَمُونَ And they say: “The Almighty has taken a son.” Glory be to Him! But honoured servants (21:26) قَالُوا۟ ٱتَّخَذَ ٱللَّـهُ وَلَدًا سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥ هُوَ ٱلْغَنِىُّ لَهُۥ مَا فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَمَا فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ إِنْ عِندَكُم مِّن سُلْطَـٰنٍۭ بِهَـٰذَآ أَتَقُولُونَ عَلَى ٱللَّـهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ They say: “God has taken a son.” Glory be to Him! He is the Free from Need; to Him belongs what is in the heavens and what is in the earth! You have no authority for this; do you ascribe to God what you know not? (10:68)
@@Pilgrimsrummet He is a man of faith and has spent decades doing research on site in Israel and in studying the texts in a depth. His work is far above the common. The greatest challenge of this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you are right, but not knowing enough about the subject to know you are wrong. He can help you over exactly this hump. If a person does not understand the context of who, how, when, where, why, and the backstory there is a huge potential to blindly believe a weed faith. There is wisdom in understanding the context of those who lived the life of the faith before the modern world began to spin it into a different context than what is was by those who lived it.
@@clarice1001nights Thank you, I deeply appreciate your answer. I will klisten more to him. That he is a man of faith and yet shows so much integrity and fidelity to truth rather than dogma is a good sign of a fruitbearing tree. I am a swedish man praying for to be shown the heart of 'christianity' and there is just so much contradictions and slander and surprisingly lots of blind faith out there. I thought this would be a pleasurable and fairly easy path but no. The academics are generally not searching/researching with their heart bleeding for truth, and the religionists are generally not searching for truth with full independent reason. Few are those who do both and balance them properly. I feel this mysterious pull and...yes, love...towards the essenes, the valentinians, original templars, cathars, the great and almost killed saints like Eckehart or Juan de la Cruz...
I'm so happy to reconnect and find your well researched and expressed work. You carry on the tradition exemplified decades ago by Samuele Bacchiocchi. I've bookmarked your links, and look forward to visiting your objectively expressed years of learning.
I'm reminded of Lloyd Bentson's takedown of Dan Quayle in the VP debates of 1992. "I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy."
I am fully convinced and more and more prayer, fasting, and supplication and study seems to me to confirm that Saul of Tarsus aka Paul, was entirely teaching apostasy and a false apostle and false prophet as per Deuteronomy 13.
This is amazing, I have so enjoyed my recent introduction to the work Dr. Tabor. The one question I have so far is that regarding the Ebionites, the group led by James, and/or any basically non-Pauline followers/groups of Jesus, what was the purpose of his resurrection?
This is particularly fascinating. Following the recent focus on the gospel of Mark, I'm just now starting to check out the gospel of Matthew for comparison, so this is all really interesting additional stuff.
Paul's tolarence for meat eating, probably a way to get more followers, separates him from the Ebionites. There seems to be conflict about a vegetarian diet in the bible. Paul on one side and Apostles especially James on the other vegetarian side.
It was more than just a question of eating meat. It was about eating meat sacrificed to idols. Paul said it was alright to eat meat sacrificed to idols as long as you didn't do it in front of other followers. Messiah says Paul is Balaam in Revelation 2:14, and says Paul was a liar and a false apostle in Revelation 2:2. In Revelation 2:24 Jesus equates Paul's teachings as "the depths of Satan" to echo and contradict Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 2:10. Paul makes many claims but when tested, fails the test. The early church (before the 4th century) read Paul for edification but did not consider his writings "God breathed". Who would you listen to, the brother of Jesus and the twelve, or some guy who used to kill followers of the way, was a pharisee, part of the Herodian family, and also a citizen of Rome? Paul fits all the parameters of Jesus' warnings about false prophets showing signs and wonders. Some cannot see it and I'm not sure why? I imagine it's because Paul was good with words and knew how to appear pious and humble, while not truly being either.
At 7 mins.. the interesting thing is that Paul DID call himself least in the kingdom, "" Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints"" Ephesians 3:8
@@Kdomi98 yep that's who he is 'the least one' ... but keep in mind, his name was never CHANGED by anyone. there is no bible verse you'll find that says God or anyone else changed Saul's name to Paul .. Paul was always his name, cause he was born a Roman citizen and Paul is a Roman name,, however, when he was in Judea around Jews he would go by the name "Saul" (a hebrew name, to not emphasize his roman name) . . remember he said 'to the jews i became a jew' , 'to the greeks as a greek' .. his two names just meant he was a two faced person
@@Kdomi98 the thing is, pretty much all christians are "the least" being most chrsitianity is just an invention of Paul. Most are anti-torah and are apostates, therefore they ALL will be called 'the least' by those in the kingdom of God, matthew 5:19
I have always had a problem with Paul. The more I read, the more I saw the Bible fight was between James and Paul… James called Paul The Lawless One and Paul saw James as the Judaiser…
I find it interesting what is assumed about James, when he speaks of “The Law” he puts it like this…“For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty.” James 2:10-12 ESV I think it would benefit us all to find out and fully understand what this “Law of Liberty” is that James speaks of here.
The law of Liberty is the law of Christ. No one is bound by the law of Moses and Jesus didn't die to yoke Gentiles to it. The Torah was given to Israelites under the first covenant. No one could keep the law. Only Jesus kept it perfectly. He fulfilled the demands of the law perfectly. We are under grace, not the law
In the new Testament the same concept is referred to 3 ways. In Rom.8:2 it is the "Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus". In James 2 we see the "Law of Liberty". and in Galatians 6:2 we see "The Law of Christ" . It's focus isn't what is written but what the Holy Spirit has/is performing in us and guiding us too. Walk in the Light and reject the fruitless deeds of darkness brothers/sisters. @@ShamelesslyRed
@@ShamelesslyRed - Not true. There's one constant theme throughout the scriptures, God will forgive if we repent and follow His ways. The ten commandments are His ways, they were never done away with and never will be. The yoke Jesus was freeing us from was the traditions of the elders, those who add to Torah. He did not die so we could live a life of sin (sin is defined as breaking the commandments). Jesus taught us to be perfect, not become slaves to sin. The only way to become sinless is to follow Him. And if we do sin, we have Him as our advocate. He is the lamb that was slain from the foundations of the earth. This is why it was possible for men to be considered righteous before God. Without His sacrifice, righteousness would be impossible. The Torah is the law of Liberty, if you follow it, it will free you from becoming a slave to sin. What is the renewed or new covenant? It is defined in Jeremiah 1:31-34. It is the promise that God will give us new hearts and He will write he Torah on those new hearts. We will see the total fulfillment of this prophecy when the kingdom is established on Jesus' return.
22:20 I was talking to a j3w the other day, and he was quoting stuff from the Qur'an to try to convince me of the perfect preservation of their sources. But they forget, that although the scripture does confirm it overall, it also corrects it, and calls stuff out (for example, calling Solomon a disbeliever, God denies this notion... etc) أَفَتَطْمَعُونَ أَن يُؤْمِنُوا۟ لَكُمْ وَقَدْ كَانَ فَرِيقٌ مِّنْهُمْ يَسْمَعُونَ كَلَـٰمَ ٱللَّـهِ ثُمَّ يُحَرِّفُونَهُۥ مِنۢ بَعْدِ مَا عَقَلُوهُ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ Do you hope that they will believe you? And a faction among them had heard the word of God, then twisted it after they had understood it, when they knew. (2:75) فَوَيْلٌ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَـٰذَا مِنْ عِندِ ٱللَّـهِ لِيَشْتَرُوا۟ بِهِۦ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا فَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ So woe to those who write the Writ with their hands, then say: “This is from God,” that they might sell it at a cheap price; so woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn. (2:79) (This is funny because they then claim the Qur'an confirms their fabrications or decontextualizations/insertions to the scripture) مِّنَ ٱلَّذِينَ هَادُوا۟ يُحَرِّفُونَ ٱلْكَلِمَ عَن مَّوَاضِعِهِۦ وَيَقُولُونَ سَمِعْنَا وَعَصَيْنَا وَٱسْمَعْ غَيْرَ مُسْمَعٍ وَرَٰعِنَا لَيًّۢا بِأَلْسِنَتِهِمْ وَطَعْنًا فِى ٱلدِّينِ وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ قَالُوا۟ سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا وَٱسْمَعْ وَٱنظُرْنَا لَكَانَ خَيْرًا لَّهُمْ وَأَقْوَمَ وَلَـٰكِن لَّعَنَهُمُ ٱللَّـهُ بِكُفْرِهِمْ فَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا Some of those who hold to Judaism twist words from their places, - and they say: “We hear and we oppose”; and: “Hear thou what is not heard”; and: “Attend thou to us!” - twisting their tongues, and slandering the doctrine. And had they said: “We hear and we obey”; and: “Hear thou”; and: “Look thou upon us,” it would have been better for them, and more upright; but God has cursed them for their denial; and they do not believe save a few. (4:46) يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلرَّسُولُ لَا يَحْزُنكَ ٱلَّذِينَ يُسَـٰرِعُونَ فِى ٱلْكُفْرِ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓا۟ ءَامَنَّا بِأَفْوَٰهِهِمْ وَلَمْ تُؤْمِن قُلُوبُهُمْ وَمِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ هَادُوا۟ سَمَّـٰعُونَ لِلْكَذِبِ سَمَّـٰعُونَ لِقَوْمٍ ءَاخَرِينَ لَمْ يَأْتُوكَ يُحَرِّفُونَ ٱلْكَلِمَ مِنۢ بَعْدِ مَوَاضِعِهِۦ يَقُولُونَ إِنْ أُوتِيتُمْ هَـٰذَا فَخُذُوهُ وَإِن لَّمْ تُؤْتَوْهُ فَٱحْذَرُوا۟ وَمَن يُرِدِ ٱللَّـهُ فِتْنَتَهُۥ فَلَن تَمْلِكَ لَهُۥ مِنَ ٱللَّـهِ شَيْـًٔا أُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ ٱلَّذِينَ لَمْ يُرِدِ ٱللَّـهُ أَن يُطَهِّرَ قُلُوبَهُمْ لَهُمْ فِى ٱلدُّنْيَا خِزْىٌ وَلَهُمْ فِى ٱلْـَٔاخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ O Messenger: let there not grieve thee those who compete in denial among those who say: “We believe,” with their mouths, when their hearts have not believed. And among those who hold to Judaism are eager listeners to lies, eager listeners to another people who have not come to thee (they twist words from their places, saying “If this be given you, receive it; but if it be not given you, beware!” And whom God wishes to try: thou wilt not have power for him against God in anything. Those are they whose hearts God desires not to purify; they have in the World disgrace, and they have in the Hereafter a great punishment) (5:41) I found this verse while looking for the others, quite interesting. إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَذَّبُوا۟ بِـَٔايَـٰتِنَا وَٱسْتَكْبَرُوا۟ عَنْهَا لَا تُفَتَّحُ لَهُمْ أَبْوَٰبُ ٱلسَّمَآءِ وَلَا يَدْخُلُونَ ٱلْجَنَّةَ حَتَّىٰ يَلِجَ ٱلْجَمَلُ فِى سَمِّ ٱلْخِيَاطِ وَكَذَٰلِكَ نَجْزِى ٱلْمُجْرِمِينَ Those who deny Our proofs and wax proud at them: for them the gates of heaven will not be opened, nor will they enter the Garden any more than a twisted rope can pass through the eye of a needle; and thus We requite the lawbreakers. (7:40) Many translate this as "camels" perhaps following the mistranslation in the gospels of the same parabole which is confirmed as Gospel in the Qur'an by means of quotation. This comes then to remind us that both in the arabic and arameic, the written forms are undotted naturally, thus they can be dotted incorrectly, so one must try to remember that, and look at the context, and common sense, to know the correct reading. This also shows that the gospels are translations of the original, and might have gotten some stuff wrong...
Interesting that Dr Tabor mentions Clementine literature as having Ebionite origins. The first epistle of Clement to the Corinthians is very early “Christian” writing and in Chapter 36 he quotes the Ebionite Matthew verse from Psalm 2. You are my son. This day I have begotten you. Was this verse erased from the NT because of its association with the heresy of adoptionism?
Before Paul I don't think there was any such thing as Christianity. In Acts 11 after Paul was preaching and teaching his own gospel and ideas for a while in Antioch, the disciples there were were first called Christians / Chréstians. Before that I think they were called Nazoreans (the Watchers, Guardians or Keepers) by outsiders, after Jesus himself: ישו הנוצרי (Yeshu Ha-Notzri). Basically after Paul things were not the same.
Paul became popular due to Rome and Constantine. They hated the Israelites, so anything "Jewish" was considered anathema. This is why the sabbath was changed to Sunday and why Easter was mixed with pagan customs and rituals. The true apostles never trusted Paul nor accepted him. John describes him as one of the ones who left the true way in 1 John 2:19 - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. It's all there, all one has to do is read the Bible with a critical eye. Paul's gospel was his own, it was not the same Gospel that Jesus or His disciples taught.
Dr. Tabor, is the Ebionite version of the Lord’s supper preserved in the lamb-less version we have today? Is Jesus becoming the lamb himself part of their theology or was that something added by other Christian groups?
The lamb analogy is ridiculous. First, it was the smoke that God accepted from sacrifices. A lamb is an adolescent sheep, Jesus was in his 30s. In the Greek context "lamb" is generally female. Lastly the sacrifice had to be without blemish or injury and washed.
9:54 wasn’t Jesus descended from David through Mary though? I thought of the seed of David meant the bloodline going back to David, which since it came through his mother doesn’t necessarily imply a human father (although he obviously had one).
@@sidvicious6505 well, that would make since because John the Baptist was of the Levi tribe, and his mother and Mary were sisters, although it’s a bit ambiguous if John’s mother or father was the Levite.
@@Thor-Orion According to Luke, John's Father was a temple priest of high status. I guess it's just tradition and not in the scriptures, but Mary's grandfather was a high priest (named mathan or something like that).
@@sidvicious6505 well, it’s not in the Bible itself, but in the Hebrew histories of the time period that disparage and belittle Jesus, they even mention Mary being from a Royal line, while disparaging her for marrying a carpenter.
@@RaananZayith The Ebionites and Nazarenes were the 1st Christians lead by James the Brother of Jesus. One could say that the heretics would be the churches of today since they adopted many pagan customs. As for Ebionites and Nazarenes, the Nazarenes were probably closer to the teachings of the Apostles. Ebionites didn't believe in the Virgin Birth and regarded Paul as a heretic
@@As_412 That's incorrect. The Ebionites did not believe in the virgin birth. The Ebionites rejected that. The Nazarenes on the other hand did believe in virgin birth
@@cruzefrank it’s a known fact : one part of the ebionites believed in the virgin birth , the other not. Ofcourse the opposing Pauline church fathers probably exaggerated on that , or even completely made that up to make them look like the biggest heretics
Wonderful video. Thank you so much. I think it's so important to emphasize the fact that the Jesus movement was Jewish. It's amazing how that gets lost yet it's so obvious. I would love for you to expand on this to include the Elcesaites. What is the Mandean connection? Was Simon Magus also a follower of John the Baptist and peer to Jesus? If Morton Smith's work has any credibility, how does this tie in? So many questions 😅
Jesus was no jew and told them their father is the devil. They murdered and slaughtered christ. Jesus was no Jewish movement. Jesus was moving the israelites to obey His word
Thanks for that insight! Would it be consistent to suggest that much of Gnostic thought is courtesy of the Ebionite tradition? I'm also intrigued, now, by the fact that Methodism adopted the descending dove as its symbol. I wonder if that offers a hint at what notion the Wesleys held about the divinity of Jesus.
The Dove, symbolically speaking, was a well-known ancient representation of the goddess...... (And Paul was an overprivileged rich herodians. Even "Josephus" says so)
I’m curious (and maybe hoping this comes up as a video topic some day.): Do you know of any archaeological support for the existence of Zoker and James, the grandsons of Jude brother of Jesus as attested by Hegesippus via Eusebius? Specifically (of course) any remains that could be compared genetically to the remaining matter from the James/Jesus ossuaries?
This interview raises several issues of huge importance to both faithful and bible historians as well. The first is the charge by the Ebionites that the Jewish leadership had changed the Torah... Dr. Tabor identifies these additions as those of the Priestly Source, as explained by the Documentary Theory regarding the origins of the Torah. The understanding of faith is that Moses wrote the content of the five books at the bidding of, under the authority of and in direct communication with Yahweh. If it were not for the work of critical biblical scholarship, we would never know that a substantial part of the Torah, which includes passages of instruction critical and foundational to Judaism, were added anonymously to the Torah from the second and third centuries BCE. Does it concern anyone else that these additions were given the very authority of Yahweh himself, by the means these authors used? It would be only of academic interest, except that within and outside the faith, these are presented as the actual words and will of Yahweh for all peoples on earth... recall that, "...the nations will come streaming to Jerusalem to learn the ways of Yahweh..." Historically speaking, the hopes and dreams that hundreds of millions of people over the last two thousand years are those of the authors of the Priestly Source living in the several centuries before Jesus came. Further, if those same authors had control of the Sacred Writings, including the Written Prophets, could they have not added to Yahweh's prophetic words spoken through his authentic servants... ever wonder about the statling conflicts found there, ie. where Hosea speaks that you are not my people and a line later, you are my people. One possible explanation is that the original words of rejection were changed to forgiveness and reconciliation by those same second - or third century authors. The two major conflicting prophetic narratives found in the half dozen pre-exilic written prophets thunder out for explanation and resoluton... they both can't be the true Word of Yahweh. That is the issue from the Old Testament. On to Paul... again there is baffling confusion provided by the New Testament witness surrounding his stance towards Judausm, the Mosaic Law and the Jerusalem Temple. Consider the reason why he Ebionites loved James and hated Paul. Acts 21:17-29 tells us of the witness provided by the Jews from Asia when they recognized Paul in the Temple. .. that he taught vigorously against the Jews, the Law and the Temple. And they would have probably killed him in a mob action, then and there. This is the kind of vioent reaction we are told that Jesus, Peter and Stephen incited in Jerusalem when they preached their gospel there. So, how is it now that a whole community can co-exist with the Jews in Jerusalem and even participate in Temple worship, sided by side. It begs the question , if the original gospel of Jesus and Paul created a lethal reaction before, how did James and the community members in Jerusalem change the original gospel of Jesus so that they could co-exist with the Jews? It is fairly well accepted that the gospel of Christ, portraying Jesus as the Jewish Messiah, was from the witness of the apostles in Jerusalem. This would mean that Paul's gospel to the Gentiles was not the secondary gospel, but viceversa, the gospel of Christ was the secondary gospel created to preserve the Jewish heritage, Law ad Temple included. It is often thought, I've heard, that ancient writers are rather unsophisticated... ever wonder why Paul is made to recite his testimony of conversion three times by the author of Acts? Read the passages carefully, making notes and see how skillfully the author takes him from someone preaching the original gospel so much in conflict with all things Jewish, who would never preach the secondary gospel of Christ developed in Jerusalem, to someone whose gospel... IS... the gospel of Christ. The transition is soo smooth, you don't feel a thing. Since Acts preceeds th Letters of Paul, it is he narrative of the Council of Jerusalem that provides the historical narrative. ..when it is Paul's disdain for what he finds James and the other apostle pillars have done to the original gospel preached by Jesus and his faithful followers of the Way, including Pzul. If the original followers of Jesus were called followers of the Way, as witnessed by Acts, then to distinguish their gospel from the later Jerusalem gospel of Christ, i could be called the gospel of Jesus in the Way. These two issues raised by the interview on the Ebionites are critical to determining the historical reality of the Judeo-Christian faiths that daily billions invest their very lives in... the work of sorting these things out is astronomically critical to our well being.
Paul was a self-described spiritual chameleon willing to assume any form to achieve a convert to his gospel. IMO this suggests he would without hesitation superficially mimic the Ebionite, Nazarene and any other he felt circumstance warranted. Similar in moral capacity with a typical 21st century politician in DC. As with the Ebionite, I discount Paul and his gospel in it's totality.
I enjoy listening to your videos, James. I am trying to find answers to questions that are burning inside me. I joined a Christian church a couple years ago. I abruptly quit that church ( Church of Christ) and I quit being a Christian. I found the Bible to be sexist and demeaning to women. Is that true? To me, Eve is portrayed as being cunning and disobedient. The passage in Ephesians that states wives submit to your husbands which tore me up emotionally so much that I quit Christianity. Is there any religion that treats women and men as equals? I do realize, that someday I need to find it in my heart to forgive the Christian church and the Bible. I guess that is what draws me to your videos. I am trying to see the good in Christianity. I am beginning to think most religions were designed by men for men. If so, what can a woman do who wants to grow spiritually?
@Yah Weh Got to admit, I was just thinking about that topic this morning. Being kind, having compassion for others, giving hugs and smiles gives testimony to who you are as a person more than any religion or philosophical tradition that one can adhere to.
@@Joe-po9xn Thank you so much, Joe. You are correct. That verse was written in 1st Century CE. I looked up marriage customs for that time period. Most marriages were arranged ones. So what Paul is saying about wives submit to your husbands and husbands love your wives aptly applies to a couple who barely know each other and find themselves in a most intimate relationship. I do not believe it applies to today’s marriages where a couple marry because of love and the wife has a job and an education. The church I belonged to said that statement was the word of God and needed to be obeyed as such . That is when I quit.
@@Joe-po9xn I want to thank you again . I spent all day thinking about your reply. I must admit , I garnered a dislike for Paul. After all he was a Roman. … Roman men were notoriously sexist. So, I thought Paul was just being sexist in that verse. You think Paul was actually doing just the opposite… attempting to get husbands to love their wives. Of course, I cannot imagine instructing or forcing someone to love another human being. Now, I feel so sorry for those 1st century women that lived such horrible lives. Of course, like you said I am looking at the sexism in the Bible through 21st Century eyes. Maybe I need to give Christianity another chance. I looked at other religions. The only religion I found that believed men and women are equal is Sikhism.
@@beverlybelcher3423 It appears to me that you are interpreting marital love as a modern romantic notion. True Biblical love is an action verb more about what you do than about how you feel. It is unselfish, it gives & proves... etc. Marriage is a covenant, not a convenience. Read 1 Corinthians 13 to hear Paul's wisdom.
As usual, thank you so much for your work. In this piece about the ebionites, did you mean loosENing the Torah? In England we say loosening, maybe in the US there is another verb. The important thing is of course, if I understood the meaning...
Jesus himself & 12 Disciples were Hardcore Ebionites..Jesus condemned The Pharisees/The Tribe of Judah(Benjamin) because they became Babylon or become Rich and money Tree eaters of the Money Tree of the Kingdom of Babylon, able to financed in building the 46 years to build Temple...Do you think his mother Maryam(Mary) was poor? Why do you think 3 Magu/Magi kings of the Far-east have to visit Mary?..Mary was not poor at all ,she was a rich woman from the lineage of Javan(Ionian) maritime sons of Javan who colonized Maguindanao from the words Mag-dala, Magu/Magi and called The Queen of the South(Mathew 12:42)..Maguindanao is the Island of Pateo(transliterated as Patmos) & Promise, where John & Mary(became mother of John Revelator) settled after the destruction of the 46 years to build Temple..Maguindanao is the Dwelling place of the great Eagle of Revelation 12:14.
@@yolandosoquite3507 The John who wrote the Gospel was the same John who wrote the Apocalypse in Patmos. John's Gospel is the only Gospel without an end-times narrative of the Old Covenant age. Why did he leave out the end-times in John's Gospel? Because the same John wrote the book of Revelation as his end-times narrative of the Old Covenant age.
Fairly complete understanding. There are a couple of points to be made, the Ebionites represent the fate of the Evyon after 63. At that time the church of Timothy of ephesus can no longer be said to be Jewish, there is a rather formal break. Also a decade or so later the Jews rejected a dozen or so messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazarath. So those among the followers who consider Jesus a Christ, they are not within Judaism longer. I happen to think many of them did not.
Ebonite are the most closed to Jesus, seems they did know what James Tabor found! I must recognized Paul studied in Mesopotamia what was about the apocalyptic knowledge from Jesus Christ, but he modified the Jesus teaching, wich was the prepping message for apocalyptic times to come. This would not be a problem , but now we are at this apocalypse, so Jesus message is more useful than Paul Revelations, because we know Paul was right in his studies, but Jesus will be the road to go on. So I read Paul differently, now, with your explanations, James, thanks🧡💚🙏
The Romans tried to do with early Muslims the same thing they did with Ebionites, but Muslims fought back and conquered them instead. I do think that is why Allah ordered Muslims to fight back to defend themselves and protect his message, and not repeating the same defeat as happened with James and Early Christians by the Romans and Paul. Allah says in the Quran: "39. Permission is given to those who are fought against, and Allah is Able to give them victory. 40. Those who were unjustly evicted from their homes, merely for saying, “Our Lord is Allah.” Were it not that Allah repels people by means of others: monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques-where the name of Allah is mentioned much-would have been demolished. Allah supports whoever supports Him. Allah is Strong and Mighty. 41. Those who, when We empower them in the land, observe the prayer, and give regular charity, and command what is right, and forbid what is wrong. To Allah belongs the outcome of events." [Quran 22: 39-41]
Matthew 26:11 -- "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always." People have debated the meaning of this for years, generally separating the two clauses as if they have no connection. But if you read it as "For ye have the Ebionites always with you," it has an interesting meaning. On another note, I think when the NT refers to Thomas or Didymus (the twin), it means James the Just, the twin brother of Jesus. You have to read some pseudepigraphy to get to this conclusion. The Twin Towers, 911 the birthday of Jesus and James -- Rev 12 and Matthew 1:23 -- Jesus born in Virgo. Feast of the Immaculate Conception 12/8 -- 9 months before 911. It gives a much greater meaning to 911 and why the evil ones would want to taint that day. I know people don't see unseen hands in our materialistic world but I think they exist in virtually every event. No randomness.
The feast of the immaculate conception is a Catholic ideology that isn't biblical at all... 9/11 would be possibly The Feast of Trumpets 🎺 (Yom Teruah)
Preexistence means there is a Mind of God, and before Creation in the material sense of matter caused by unseen powers, the mystery of God had a foreknowledge of all humanity with a mathematical calculation that is like a knowledge of the names and the souls of people, before they arrive in time and space as corporal human beings. So all that exists has both a Memorial in hindsight of any creation, or acts of corporal materialism, that is ethereal or abstract that predicts that time is itself only an illusion, that the material world is not fundamentally real in itself, but unseen causes beforehand and after the fact of any event is the cause so that a past eternity is no different than a future eternity , that all times are really existing together as a singular moment given to divide itself into events that belong to once cause only and so any human being who ever lived, has some line of reason drawn from eternity to it's presentation , so we all are part of a eternal cause, which we have titled as God. Thus we existed before this world began, we exist after this world ends, and to what exactly we owe our existence is outside of time and space, a strange place called Heaven.
@@andriesscheper2022 We think because we are able to, we think therefore we exist, the very aspect of Judgment based on the ability to think matters over, is sufficient theory of substance to title such behavior as God. If the Universe existed and if it emerged out of eternal matter, but it cannot think it does not befit the title and meaning of God. But whatever can impose thought leading to determinism and as a judgment upon matters, the one who has this ability is God. From the very earliest times the idea or term of God meant a JUDGE who is titled by a Tribal Office using a Law or system of practice , socially to determine the outcome of any man's fate, such a person is God. Communists deny God because their entire purpose is to be the God of the State, and so their Cult is Divine, and the People are but slaves. That is why they won't respect any other God but the State, because the States empowers the elect to play God, and make any final judgment upon the welfare and survival of humanity. Communists are then of the Devil. Caveat Emptor.
Interesting that the Bible in genesis of course implies Adam and Eve were actually vegans; prior to leaving Eden; and then in the New Testament it does allude to some believers being vegan; avoiding meat sacrificed to idols. Etc.
I was watching one of his videos recently and he made the statement that there were some writings that the New Testament quoted about a 1000 times. Can someone please tell me the name of these writings as I have already forgotten before I had a chance to look them up. Thanks very much
I read Paul as he is, a pharisee. I dont think he taught not to follow the law. He Said THE CURSE of the law is done away with. I understand that curse to be death.
Keep digging professor this stuff is great. Soon we will realise just who Jesus really was and just how much of a threat he was to the other major Jewish castes (wether or not he had been annointed a messiah/nasi) during the time that his family dynasty survived. I'm just a history fan and your stuff really gets to the true facts that we can build a credible picture from.
Jesus was the new name given to John the Baptist when he was born again of the fathers spirit. Phillipians 2:9-10, Isaiah 62:2. The gospels were written as allegory about these two dual natures that all born again Sons have.
@@RoseSharon7777 I'm not disagreeing with your statement as it's hard to say exactly what the motives behind the Christian Gospels were. However, it probably is not a good idea to mix the old testament texts with the new testament texts like Isaiah for example. This is because we do understand that the old testament texts are all about Judaism and Hebraic customs. The Jesus or Christian movement is not considered by them as congruent even though it's progenitors were also Jewish. This is true of many Jewish sects at this time including the later muslim sect which also claims credibility by quoting old testament writings as portents of its Qur'an writings. All the best.
@@robsellars9338 The OT tells us exactly who God is and who we are are to worship FOREVER AND EVER as God. As well it tells us about the apostate church of the future. I beg to differ with you.
@@RoseSharon7777 what do you mean it was the new name given to John the Baptist if you don’t mind explaining? I thought John the Baptist and Christ Jesus were more of an allegory in some way to Elijah and Elisha.
@@RoseSharon7777I thought that for a long time myself(that John the Baptizer was the best candidate to be historical Jesus). But I now understand it differently because it’s reflected in a lot of places Rome was subjugating where someone has to set the stage for the big hitter. Because previous apocalyptic messianic movements had been super conservative and John was a transition maker. John was like the herald of Jesus. I’m not exactly a Christian but I’m down with all the champions of the subjugated.
James Tabor, Could the lines cloth given to the slave boy in the gospel of Hebrews by the lord be a reference to And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: and he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked. - Mark 14:51,52
To me, without the additional info supplied by Secret Mark, this certain young man is presented as a rent boy (as if there would be rent boys active in and around the Holy City on Passover Week!). But with Secret Mark he is upgraded to being Jesus's newest disciple, and he gets to wear a robe in the empty tomb at the last scene in Mark.
A little confused. I am quite sure that we have strayed too far from the OT and the way Jesus lived. But I am quite hesitant about rejecting anything clearly spelled out in the Bible. About the pre-existence of Jesus- what about the first few verses of the Gospel of John? As far as the virgin birth- it is right there in the Gospel of Luke. Some of these views would make sense to my human mind, but if they are contradicted by the NT, it seems rather risky to believe them.
“For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Mitsrayim, about matters of ascending offerings or slaughterings. 23 “But this word I did command them, saying, ‘Obey My voice and I shall be your Elohim, and you be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, so that it be well with you.’ “But they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in the counsels, in the stubbornness of their evil heart, and went backward and not forward." Jeremiah 7:22-24. For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. Jeremiah 7:2 (ESV) This supports the Ebioniym in their belief that the sacrificing of animals is not preferable to Yahweh, but mercy and justice instead. To walk humbly in the way taught by Yahushua Messiah.
TO say Jesus got baptized being a Jew in our minds fits the description of how we baptized today but being a Jew he wouda been Mikvehed and often not just one time and the HS then should come on all who get our baptism if following suit! Such deception about the Lion of the Tribe of Judah such deception!
The gnostic elements in the Koran come from several christans groups and sects that are deeply connected to the gnostic theories. Espc. on the crucifixion you seen something very weird in the Koran. Jesus appears there as some kind of superman. Some scholars things that is a very twistes way to explain that Jesus is the real exalted servant of God
@@Iron_Ottoman the problem is that the qur'an does not have a message of Jesus cause the writers change the Aramaic into Arabic and with that the meanings of the words have changed. 1 example is mohammad prophet Isa, son of meryam.
In Matthews gospel chpt.4, Jesus is led in the wilderness to be tempted (or tested by the adversary) is it possible that a group like ebionites or essenes or trying to qualify ' the teacher of righteousness'.
I thought the Ebionites were the same religious faction, probably close to James the Just, that wrote the Qumran writings, or at least their successors. They also call themselves humble or poor. The Qumran community mentions the prince of light as the future messiah who will lead them into war against the evil invaders (Kittim or Romans - War Scroll) and their allies. They do not have the teaching typical of the Gospels, which says that the Messiah advised them to pay taxes to the Roman emperor.
Yes! I think an Ebionite wrote Revelation, with Paul as the Beast, and also the Didache which excludes the symbolic, Mithraic cannibalism of "The Lord's Supper". Plus, the Ebionites rejected animal (and it still needs to be mentioned, human) sacrifice, because it ends up being a substitute for true salvation through repentance, as both John the Baptist and Jesus taught. And your imagery of the dove nesting on Jesus' head, quickly brought the probable Sign of Jonah (trans. "dove"), to my mind, which is most likely the enigmatic symbol on the Talpiot Garden Tomb
FINALLY someone understands belief in blood sacrifice is Satanic doctrine! No way God would allow Messiah to suffer a horrible death so humanity would be "saved" from sins, repentance in prayer has ALWAYS been the way to redemption because its spiritual and thus of the God! Jesus and John weren't the only prophets who preached salvation through prayer, every prophet before them did as well!
Yes. The abomination of desolation is Paul's gospel. The Hebrew Matthew by George Howard. Preaching Jesus Christ dying for sins is the abomination of desolation. Jesus Christ was made up in the mind of Paul.
Your knowledge makes very little difference though. Most Christians know nothing when it comes to history or theology. Most Christians believe that Jews cannot atone for sin without sacrifice (a completely false claim).
This accusation that Paul was telling the Jews that they didn't need to keep the Law is mostly hype. It's true that Paul taught that we are free from the Law but you have to take that in the context that he also said that the ones who walk in the faith of Abraham (i.e. they believe God's promises) they establish the Law. Rom. 3:31 - Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. The Seventh Day Adventists accuse me of violating the commandment to keep the Sabbath Day but I respond that I keep the Sabbath better than they do because I observe the Sabbath every day of the week (per the Book of Hebrews). Those who want to bind us back to the Law of Moses completely miss the point of the advent of the Christ.
You don't know the Bible. Jesus himself said that "Not one jot, or tittle, shall pass from the law, until the heavens and the Earth pass away." The heavens and the Earth are still here, therefore the law is still here. The Adventists are correct, mainline Christianity is not. Mainline Christianity follows much that was created by the Catholic church, which is the worst offender of all the churches, for adding heresies to the Bible.
@@gamewizard1760 - Look around. Has the Law gone away? Don't we still have the Torah? The question is, Did Jeremiah's prophesy come true or didn't it? Pay close attention to how the Hebrews writer crafts this argument. Jeremiah 31:31ff is the longest Old Testament citation recorded in the New Testament. I do know the scriptures and the power of God. Churches like the Seventh Day Adventists don't know what to do with the Prophet Jeremiah. They don't know how to handle the end of the Old Covenant. The Book of Hebrews explains it perfectly but you have to be willing to accept the logic. And that's what it all comes down to, right? As it is written, "Today, if ye will hear His voice, harden not your heart." Denominations give us license to reject the full gospel. As long as I'm in a denomination then I have numbers on my side. I can reject the teachings of the apostles because I'm a member of the _[fill in the blank]_ Church. You can be a devout person and dedicated to your god or gods but in the final analysis, what's that going to buy you? It's good to have zeal but it has to be a zeal based on knowledge. Otherwise, it doesn't count. I think the Hebrews writer does an excellent job defining the Covenants. God's word will never pass away but God's requirements depend on the context. I'm not under the Law and that's beautiful. The Law was there to serve a purpose. That purpose has never gone away but when that purpose has been fulfilled then the Law isn't needed anymore. Now, your comeback should be: "Oh, okay, so you're saying that it's okay to murder someone." I know what you're going to say before you say it. That's how many times I've been down this road, okay? I would be seriously surprised if you could come up with something I haven't heard before on this subject.
Commercial ads would be much easier to tolerate if they were not injected mid-thought. They are a nuisance, and they suggest that the producers are more interested in money than content.
Not the producers, but UA-cam. Even when the producers put in a break for an advert, UA-cam will invariably insert it or them in the middle of a thought, usually when you're drawn in and the presenter is making a critical point.
I was watching so many language and history videos on UA-cam that I went Premium and it's great. I gave up other streaming services with no regrets. I like watching these when they drop and then listening as I fall asleep. Often I watch again the next day. All with no ads.
I can present a 3-year researched case to demonstrate and show that all of these characters people are talking about as if they're separate individuals are all the same biblical critter Johns, James Peter Paul (and all the multiple Simons)
The Ebionites were not the same as the Essenes. The Ebionites were associated with the remnant Levites, (John the Baptist and Messiah), : whereas the Essenes descended from the Jewish mystic cults associated with Zadok and later associated with the Gnostics ( Paul, a Hellenized Jew strongly influenced by the Athenian mystic cults he grew up Roman, around polytheistic mystic religions and was likely influenced by this culturally, regardless of studying under Gamaliel. He was also arrogant and competitive by nature even if his faith in his perception of Christ was true. Paul was building his ‘mega church’ while James, Cephas, John and the others were trying to teach mainly Jews, but with some God-Fearers the difference in Torah and tradition. Along with the Good News that though YHVH had divorced Israel due to her adulatory, He could now purify her from her adultery and make her sins, though scarlet, as white as snow, befitting a bride on her wedding day. But how could this happen since the law is clear that should a husband divorce his wife due to sexual immorality it is an abomination to receive her back again. THIS IS THE GREAT MYSTERY… Jeremiah 3:8-11, Deuteronomy 24:1-4. That is unless her first husband dies, then she is free to remarry. Jesus, the Messiah, the Regent of YHVH on Earth, did indeed die, waited three days as specified for confirmation of death under Jewish and Roman law, and then was raised from the dead fully alive as a new man free to retake his Betrothed, without the stain of sin. This is the sin that died with Christ. He Died for the sake of his Bride, ISRAEL. Do Gentiles have access? Of course. They ALWAYS have had access under YHVH’s covenant. But Paul has no authority to change what The Lord has spoken. 1. Exodus 12: 48-49. Commitment to the commandments, Immersion in a Mikvah (Baptism), Male circumcision, presentation before the Temple (currently fulfilled through the acceptance of Messiah’s work as the Lamb of God, His role as the High Priest, and in absence of the Temple: Prayer and Repentance (HOSEA 14:2, Isaiah 1:11-17, MICAH 6:6-8, PSALM 51:16-17, clearly stating that under YHVH “there be one Law both to the Native and to the Sojourner in your midst.”
This day I have begotten you... why do I know that from somewhere and sometime and having a voice attached... My God, My God Why Have I Forsaken you, Be not Woeful Who Gives Suck, not for Me For You Did Righteously. Why Is It So hard to stand?
Peter does speak of Jesus being eternal as well as Paul…“Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.” 1 Peter 1:10-11 ESV Here Peter is telling us that the “Spirit of “Christ” influenced the prophets of the Old Testament. And, in 2Peter he declares this…“For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” 2 Peter 1:21 ESV Peter is showing the working of God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus as interchangeable in the influence of Prophets in the Old Testament.
Jesus Was a Essene so was John the baptist, John, James the Ebionites, Essenes, Gnostics all had one thing in common They all were ascetics and were all vegetarins!
The idea they didn’t beleive in the virgin birth; that is not something revealed to anyone. It was not necessarily known by his followers at the time they followed him. So if that did happen; as it says; people would doubt that claim in the early church or it was just a claim made by some people.
as a Muslim that makes me understanding Islam more clear now i think our text talk to people have already a knowledge about all of that so it seems little bit mysterious for us thnks
Yes, you are correct. Much of what the Quran talks about is what people debated for many years before the Quran. Also, before the new testament. You are on track to the truth, brother. Wisdom is a gift from God.
Sha'ul didn't teach the talmidim to disregard the torah. He was trying to explain that the torah is spiritual and not physical. The reason morons accuse Sha'ul of being false is because they do not posess the ruach of Yahuah. They pretend to be reborn by God's spirit when they're really still living in the flesh. Even today, there are several groups who bind unsuspecting people to the legalistic nature of the torah of Moshe. They think they are being righteous by observing a literal seventh day sabbath, or celebrating passover, and other rituals when they aren't biological children of Israel. The same kind of people in Sha'uls time who harrassed and demeaned new believers because they were physically uncircumcised. These are the very hypocrites whom Yahusha pertained to when he said, "But whoever causes one of these little ones (the newly born by the spirit of Yah) who believe in me to sin (fail to obey the spiritual torah), it would be better for him if a millstone were tied around his neck and he were drowned in the depth of the sea." The hypocrites who pretend to be alive but are spiritually dead would refrain from eating pork because they believe it's a sin against God while the true children of Yahuah who possess his ruach understands that not eating unclean animals is symbolical of not mingling with people who knows that they are sinning but still continues to live so because they hate God. Split hoof = possessing wisdom Chewing the cud = ruminating on the teaching they've received A pig has cloven hoof but does not chew the cud. A man who believes every teaching he received but does not analyze it to prove its truth is a pig. A pig will also return to wallowing in mud after you've cleaned it. This is also symbolical of the same kind of man who does not ruminate on the things he believes in; even if he gains understanding, he will just go back to wrongdoing.
The Essenes and the Ebionites were essential from what I have looked into, the same group of people. John the Baptist was of this group. Jesus’ family group were of this group. When you look at what is known about the eating habits of John the Baptist, he ate no meats, drank no wine. But Jesus brother, James, who wrote the book of James, and was bishop of Jerusalem, was also vegetarian, Peter is on record as having a diet of bread and olives. Many of John the Baptist’s followers followed Jesus after John the Baptist was killed. Diet still is a hot topic, and those who are vegetarian today are also hated because we are healthy and take no medications because we decided to take Genesis 1 as true today as it was when God first told us what our diet should be. People ignore that Jesus and John the Baptist preaches “repent for the kingdom of God is at hand”. But we have the “Grace” which Paul preached, of which James and Peter were not on board with. These two knew Jesus, Paul did not. But Paul was on board with eating meat and changing the day of worship. In the end of this controversy, Rome did much to try to kill off any part of Christianity impacted their lifestyle. And the disease rose. Much of what the Jews knew about healing was what they ate.
The Romans tried to do with early Muslims the same thing they did with Ebionites, but Muslims fought back and conquered them instead. I do think that is why Allah ordered Muslims to fight back to defend themselves and protect his message, and not repeating the same defeat as happened with James and Early Christians by the Romans and Paul. Allah says in the Quran: "39. Permission is given to those who are fought against, and Allah is Able to give them victory. 40. Those who were unjustly evicted from their homes, merely for saying, “Our Lord is Allah.” Were it not that Allah repels people by means of others: monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques-where the name of Allah is mentioned much-would have been demolished. Allah supports whoever supports Him. Allah is Strong and Mighty. 41. Those who, when We empower them in the land, observe the prayer, and give regular charity, and command what is right, and forbid what is wrong. To Allah belongs the outcome of events." [Quran 22: 39-41]
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This is fascinating. Have I missed the latest news about that upcoming course on Mark's gospel? I'll bet a course from Dr. Tabor on Paul would be an eye-opener for sure. Probably have to be a series. Anyway....
No the course on Mark should be released by the end of this week. I will blast it all over--so no worries, you won't miss it!
@@JamesTaborVideos Thanks.
Content is immersing you could speak on this subject from now till end of days. Some perspective here provided are new. Dreams are very subjective but my contention with Paul
has been greatly resolved and this lecture added further proof.
Paul through the divine spirit of the Holy one sent Yeshua's message in quantum speed to the Roman world. James didn't do that according to gospel the temple was already set for crushing,
Paul's training and preparation made way for answering Roman world in some ways we might partially have Steven to thank for Paul's redemption because he forgave them. I don't digress.
Try not to mess with the Doctor. He is our prophet or heck if ya' want to get technical our Messiah. So show some respect! G'day gentlemen.
@@JamesTaborVideos is Islam right about Christianity?
Please write a book about the Ebionites!
No, write a book on the planets, sun and moon
Yes, please! Ebionites.
Yes agree for a book about ebionites and nazarenes.
This dude doesn't truly understand the Good News!
Yes, please, the Ebionites!
Dr. Tabor, you were supposed to be retired! I think you've poured out more new work the last few months than the previous 2 years! And you just got back from Israel. I've really appreciated your lead up to the Resurrection. I'm a fan for life.
This interpretation you give of "this is my meat, this is my blood", really blew my mind! Never heard of it, yet it makes so much sense!
Fascinating and informative,
thank you, Darren and James.
I find it tragically ironic how after the Last Supper Christianity has been all but humble. And it has been very effective at writing James out, one has to admit.
The greatest challenge of this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you are right, but not knowing enough about the subject to know you are wrong…
Yes, the best questions are hard to answer. The best answers are unfinished.
Just enough info in your comment to be unsure of who you're attacking... nice
James Tabor - I have to buy your book.
Youre facinating
Im loving what you bring to the table @James Tabor. Thanks
I'm becoming convinced that Paul was a traitor and impostor
🚨 ‼️ 🚨‼️🚨‼️🤯my brain this whole video , even the elect(some apostles who knew Christ) will be deceived
Spot on!
I personally open to both as legitimate, that God may have empowered both... that Jesus would have been the message to the Jews and Paul perhaps expanding the message to the gentiles in a way that they would accept.
I'm not saying it's 100% the case, it's a hypothesis.
He set out to destroy Christianity and almost succeeded.
If that's what you want to beleive. No Paul, no Christianity
وَقَالُوا۟ ٱتَّخَذَ ٱلرَّحْمَـٰنُ وَلَدًا سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥ بَلْ عِبَادٌ مُّكْرَمُونَ
And they say: “The Almighty has taken a son.” Glory be to Him! But honoured servants
(21:26)
قَالُوا۟ ٱتَّخَذَ ٱللَّـهُ وَلَدًا سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥ هُوَ ٱلْغَنِىُّ لَهُۥ مَا فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَمَا فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ إِنْ عِندَكُم مِّن سُلْطَـٰنٍۭ بِهَـٰذَآ أَتَقُولُونَ عَلَى ٱللَّـهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ
They say: “God has taken a son.” Glory be to Him! He is the Free from Need; to Him belongs what is in the heavens and what is in the earth! You have no authority for this; do you ascribe to God what you know not?
(10:68)
Just finishing your book The Jesus Dynasty, thank you for writing that.
I love your work and thank you dearly Dr. Tabor!
Is this dude a believer himself or is he only approaching these topics as agnostic scholar?
@@Pilgrimsrummet He is a man of faith and has spent decades doing research on site in Israel and in studying the texts in a depth. His work is far above the common.
The greatest challenge of this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you are right, but not knowing enough about the subject to know you are wrong. He can help you over exactly this hump.
If a person does not understand the context of who, how, when, where, why, and the backstory there is a huge potential to blindly believe a weed faith. There is wisdom in understanding the context of those who lived the life of the faith before the modern world began to spin it into a different context than what is was by those who lived it.
@@clarice1001nights Thank you, I deeply appreciate your answer. I will klisten more to him. That he is a man of faith and yet shows so much integrity and fidelity to truth rather than dogma is a good sign of a fruitbearing tree.
I am a swedish man praying for to be shown the heart of 'christianity' and there is just so much contradictions and slander and surprisingly lots of blind faith out there. I thought this would be a pleasurable and fairly easy path but no. The academics are generally not searching/researching with their heart bleeding for truth, and the religionists are generally not searching for truth with full independent reason. Few are those who do both and balance them properly.
I feel this mysterious pull and...yes, love...towards the essenes, the valentinians, original templars, cathars, the great and almost killed saints like Eckehart or Juan de la Cruz...
I'm so happy to reconnect and find your well researched and expressed work. You carry on the tradition exemplified decades ago by Samuele Bacchiocchi. I've bookmarked your links, and look forward to visiting your objectively expressed years of learning.
I'm reminded of Lloyd Bentson's takedown of Dan Quayle in the VP debates of 1992. "I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy."
@Yah Weh Tabor says the response to Paul saying he saw Jesus was, "You saw him in a dream? We actually KNEW him."
Do you think Lloyd was actually there with the hookers?
@@PrometheanRising Do you think the apostles were?
I am fully convinced and more and more prayer, fasting, and supplication and study seems to me to confirm that Saul of Tarsus aka Paul, was entirely teaching apostasy and a false apostle and false prophet as per Deuteronomy 13.
Same here. Read Revelation Chapter two, Jesus is telling us that Paul is not one of His apostles and is in fact a false apostle spreading apostasy.
This is amazing, I have so enjoyed my recent introduction to the work Dr. Tabor. The one question I have so far is that regarding the Ebionites, the group led by James, and/or any basically non-Pauline followers/groups of Jesus, what was the purpose of his resurrection?
Purpose? To fulfill the law. Jesus was perfect in the law. He was without defect. Stop these bloody sacrifices!
One of my favorite programs about the Ebionites.
This was delightful
Dr Tabor, you should collab with Justin Sledge on Esoterica about Early Christianity. His channel is very interesting.
fascinating commentary, professor. thanks for the posting.
This is particularly fascinating.
Following the recent focus on the gospel of Mark, I'm just now starting to check out the gospel of Matthew for comparison, so this is all really interesting additional stuff.
Paul's tolarence for meat eating, probably a way to get more followers, separates him from the Ebionites. There seems to be conflict about a vegetarian diet in the bible. Paul on one
side and Apostles especially James on the other vegetarian side.
It was more than just a question of eating meat. It was about eating meat sacrificed to idols. Paul said it was alright to eat meat sacrificed to idols as long as you didn't do it in front of other followers. Messiah says Paul is Balaam in Revelation 2:14, and says Paul was a liar and a false apostle in Revelation 2:2. In Revelation 2:24 Jesus equates Paul's teachings as "the depths of Satan" to echo and contradict Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 2:10. Paul makes many claims but when tested, fails the test. The early church (before the 4th century) read Paul for edification but did not consider his writings "God breathed". Who would you listen to, the brother of Jesus and the twelve, or some guy who used to kill followers of the way, was a pharisee, part of the Herodian family, and also a citizen of Rome? Paul fits all the parameters of Jesus' warnings about false prophets showing signs and wonders. Some cannot see it and I'm not sure why? I imagine it's because Paul was good with words and knew how to appear pious and humble, while not truly being either.
fascinating commentary, professor tabor. thanks.
You do great job sir 👏👌
At 7 mins.. the interesting thing is that Paul DID call himself least in the kingdom, ""
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints"" Ephesians 3:8
You’re right. That’s interesting!
Whats more mind boggling is thst his name was Saul, changed to Paul...and guesd what (paul) means? Little one or small one
@@Kdomi98 yep that's who he is 'the least one' ... but keep in mind, his name was never CHANGED by anyone. there is no bible verse you'll find that says God or anyone else changed Saul's name to Paul .. Paul was always his name, cause he was born a Roman citizen and Paul is a Roman name,, however, when he was in Judea around Jews he would go by the name "Saul" (a hebrew name, to not emphasize his roman name) . . remember he said 'to the jews i became a jew' , 'to the greeks as a greek' .. his two names just meant he was a two faced person
@@ShemaHaTorah
It's still his more popular name.
It's as if jesus prophesied that he will be known as the little one, which is what paul means
@@Kdomi98 the thing is, pretty much all christians are "the least" being most chrsitianity is just an invention of Paul. Most are anti-torah and are apostates, therefore they ALL will be called 'the least' by those in the kingdom of God, matthew 5:19
I have always had a problem with Paul. The more I read, the more I saw the Bible fight was between James and Paul… James called Paul The Lawless One and Paul saw James as the Judaiser…
I find it interesting what is assumed about James, when he speaks of “The Law” he puts it like this…“For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty.”
James 2:10-12 ESV
I think it would benefit us all to find out and fully understand what this “Law of Liberty” is that James speaks of here.
The law of Liberty is the law of Christ. No one is bound by the law of Moses and Jesus didn't die to yoke Gentiles to it. The Torah was given to Israelites under the first covenant. No one could keep the law. Only Jesus kept it perfectly. He fulfilled the demands of the law perfectly. We are under grace, not the law
In the new Testament the same concept is referred to 3 ways. In Rom.8:2 it is the "Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus". In James 2 we see the "Law of Liberty". and in Galatians 6:2 we see "The Law of Christ" . It's focus isn't what is written but what the Holy Spirit has/is performing in us and guiding us too. Walk in the Light and reject the fruitless deeds of darkness brothers/sisters. @@ShamelesslyRed
@@ShamelesslyRed - Not true. There's one constant theme throughout the scriptures, God will forgive if we repent and follow His ways. The ten commandments are His ways, they were never done away with and never will be. The yoke Jesus was freeing us from was the traditions of the elders, those who add to Torah. He did not die so we could live a life of sin (sin is defined as breaking the commandments). Jesus taught us to be perfect, not become slaves to sin. The only way to become sinless is to follow Him. And if we do sin, we have Him as our advocate. He is the lamb that was slain from the foundations of the earth. This is why it was possible for men to be considered righteous before God. Without His sacrifice, righteousness would be impossible. The Torah is the law of Liberty, if you follow it, it will free you from becoming a slave to sin.
What is the renewed or new covenant? It is defined in Jeremiah 1:31-34. It is the promise that God will give us new hearts and He will write he Torah on those new hearts. We will see the total fulfillment of this prophecy when the kingdom is established on Jesus' return.
Thank you for your scholarship Dr Tabor. What are your personal religious beliefs?
I thought it was Iranaeus who wrote "Against the Heresies," not Epiphanius.
Correct actualy 70% of what he says is wrong. Hes just making content...
I feel I'm definitely becoming a converted Taborite!
22:20
I was talking to a j3w the other day, and he was quoting stuff from the Qur'an to try to convince me of the perfect preservation of their sources.
But they forget, that although the scripture does confirm it overall, it also corrects it, and calls stuff out (for example, calling Solomon a disbeliever, God denies this notion... etc)
أَفَتَطْمَعُونَ أَن يُؤْمِنُوا۟ لَكُمْ وَقَدْ كَانَ فَرِيقٌ مِّنْهُمْ يَسْمَعُونَ كَلَـٰمَ ٱللَّـهِ ثُمَّ يُحَرِّفُونَهُۥ مِنۢ بَعْدِ مَا عَقَلُوهُ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ
Do you hope that they will believe you? And a faction among them had heard the word of God, then twisted it after they had understood it, when they knew.
(2:75)
فَوَيْلٌ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَـٰذَا مِنْ عِندِ ٱللَّـهِ لِيَشْتَرُوا۟ بِهِۦ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا فَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ
So woe to those who write the Writ with their hands, then say: “This is from God,” that they might sell it at a cheap price; so woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn.
(2:79) (This is funny because they then claim the Qur'an confirms their fabrications or decontextualizations/insertions to the scripture)
مِّنَ ٱلَّذِينَ هَادُوا۟ يُحَرِّفُونَ ٱلْكَلِمَ عَن مَّوَاضِعِهِۦ وَيَقُولُونَ سَمِعْنَا وَعَصَيْنَا وَٱسْمَعْ غَيْرَ مُسْمَعٍ وَرَٰعِنَا لَيًّۢا بِأَلْسِنَتِهِمْ وَطَعْنًا فِى ٱلدِّينِ وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ قَالُوا۟ سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا وَٱسْمَعْ وَٱنظُرْنَا لَكَانَ خَيْرًا لَّهُمْ وَأَقْوَمَ وَلَـٰكِن لَّعَنَهُمُ ٱللَّـهُ بِكُفْرِهِمْ فَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا
Some of those who hold to Judaism twist words from their places, - and they say: “We hear and we oppose”; and: “Hear thou what is not heard”; and: “Attend thou to us!” - twisting their tongues, and slandering the doctrine. And had they said: “We hear and we obey”; and: “Hear thou”; and: “Look thou upon us,” it would have been better for them, and more upright; but God has cursed them for their denial; and they do not believe save a few.
(4:46)
يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلرَّسُولُ لَا يَحْزُنكَ ٱلَّذِينَ يُسَـٰرِعُونَ فِى ٱلْكُفْرِ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓا۟ ءَامَنَّا بِأَفْوَٰهِهِمْ وَلَمْ تُؤْمِن قُلُوبُهُمْ وَمِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ هَادُوا۟ سَمَّـٰعُونَ لِلْكَذِبِ سَمَّـٰعُونَ لِقَوْمٍ ءَاخَرِينَ لَمْ يَأْتُوكَ يُحَرِّفُونَ ٱلْكَلِمَ مِنۢ بَعْدِ مَوَاضِعِهِۦ يَقُولُونَ إِنْ أُوتِيتُمْ هَـٰذَا فَخُذُوهُ وَإِن لَّمْ تُؤْتَوْهُ فَٱحْذَرُوا۟ وَمَن يُرِدِ ٱللَّـهُ فِتْنَتَهُۥ فَلَن تَمْلِكَ لَهُۥ مِنَ ٱللَّـهِ شَيْـًٔا أُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ ٱلَّذِينَ لَمْ يُرِدِ ٱللَّـهُ أَن يُطَهِّرَ قُلُوبَهُمْ لَهُمْ فِى ٱلدُّنْيَا خِزْىٌ وَلَهُمْ فِى ٱلْـَٔاخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ
O Messenger: let there not grieve thee those who compete in denial among those who say: “We believe,” with their mouths, when their hearts have not believed. And among those who hold to Judaism are eager listeners to lies, eager listeners to another people who have not come to thee (they twist words from their places, saying “If this be given you, receive it; but if it be not given you, beware!” And whom God wishes to try: thou wilt not have power for him against God in anything. Those are they whose hearts God desires not to purify; they have in the World disgrace, and they have in the Hereafter a great punishment)
(5:41)
I found this verse while looking for the others, quite interesting.
إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَذَّبُوا۟ بِـَٔايَـٰتِنَا وَٱسْتَكْبَرُوا۟ عَنْهَا لَا تُفَتَّحُ لَهُمْ أَبْوَٰبُ ٱلسَّمَآءِ وَلَا يَدْخُلُونَ ٱلْجَنَّةَ حَتَّىٰ يَلِجَ ٱلْجَمَلُ فِى سَمِّ ٱلْخِيَاطِ وَكَذَٰلِكَ نَجْزِى ٱلْمُجْرِمِينَ
Those who deny Our proofs and wax proud at them: for them the gates of heaven will not be opened, nor will they enter the Garden any more than a twisted rope can pass through the eye of a needle; and thus We requite the lawbreakers.
(7:40)
Many translate this as "camels" perhaps following the mistranslation in the gospels of the same parabole which is confirmed as Gospel in the Qur'an by means of quotation.
This comes then to remind us that both in the arabic and arameic, the written forms are undotted naturally, thus they can be dotted incorrectly, so one must try to remember that, and look at the context, and common sense, to know the correct reading.
This also shows that the gospels are translations of the original, and might have gotten some stuff wrong...
Interesting that Dr Tabor mentions Clementine literature as having Ebionite origins. The first epistle of Clement to the Corinthians is very early “Christian” writing and in Chapter 36 he quotes the Ebionite Matthew verse from Psalm 2. You are my son. This day I have begotten you.
Was this verse erased from the NT because of its association with the heresy of adoptionism?
Before Paul I don't think there was any such thing as Christianity. In Acts 11 after Paul was preaching and teaching his own gospel and ideas for a while in Antioch, the disciples there were were first called Christians / Chréstians. Before that I think they were called Nazoreans (the Watchers, Guardians or Keepers) by outsiders, after Jesus himself: ישו הנוצרי (Yeshu Ha-Notzri). Basically after Paul things were not the same.
Paul became popular due to Rome and Constantine. They hated the Israelites, so anything "Jewish" was considered anathema. This is why the sabbath was changed to Sunday and why Easter was mixed with pagan customs and rituals. The true apostles never trusted Paul nor accepted him. John describes him as one of the ones who left the true way in 1 John 2:19 - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. It's all there, all one has to do is read the Bible with a critical eye. Paul's gospel was his own, it was not the same Gospel that Jesus or His disciples taught.
This is the way I imagined Christianity should have developed, not like The Book of Acts.
Dr. Tabor, is the Ebionite version of the Lord’s supper preserved in the lamb-less version we have today? Is Jesus becoming the lamb himself part of their theology or was that something added by other Christian groups?
The lamb analogy is ridiculous.
First, it was the smoke that God accepted from sacrifices. A lamb is an adolescent sheep,
Jesus was in his 30s. In the Greek context "lamb" is generally female. Lastly the sacrifice had to be without blemish or injury and washed.
Amazing insight…
9:54 wasn’t Jesus descended from David through Mary though? I thought of the seed of David meant the bloodline going back to David, which since it came through his mother doesn’t necessarily imply a human father (although he obviously had one).
Joseph was supposedly a descendant of King David. Mary's ancestry is not for certain. According to Luke, she was of the Levi tribe.
@@sidvicious6505 well, that would make since because John the Baptist was of the Levi tribe, and his mother and Mary were sisters, although it’s a bit ambiguous if John’s mother or father was the Levite.
@@Thor-Orion According to Luke, John's Father was a temple priest of high status. I guess it's just tradition and not in the scriptures, but Mary's grandfather was a high priest (named mathan or something like that).
@@sidvicious6505 well, it’s not in the Bible itself, but in the Hebrew histories of the time period that disparage and belittle Jesus, they even mention Mary being from a Royal line, while disparaging her for marrying a carpenter.
What about Hillel? Jesus may have even been a follower is what I’ve heard.
Where can one access these Ebionite writings?
Nowhere they are liers. The gospel of the hebrews which the apostolic fathers mention is not the one ebionites used.
@@RaananZayith The Ebionites and Nazarenes were the 1st Christians lead by James the Brother of Jesus. One could say that the heretics would be the churches of today since they adopted many pagan customs. As for Ebionites and Nazarenes, the Nazarenes were probably closer to the teachings of the Apostles. Ebionites didn't believe in the Virgin Birth and regarded Paul as a heretic
@@cruzefrankthe ebionites believed in the virgin birth , but not all of them there was a sub sect that rejected it
@@As_412 That's incorrect. The Ebionites did not believe in the virgin birth. The Ebionites rejected that. The Nazarenes on the other hand did believe in virgin birth
@@cruzefrank it’s a known fact : one part of the ebionites believed in the virgin birth , the other not. Ofcourse the opposing Pauline church fathers probably exaggerated on that , or even completely made that up to make them look like the biggest heretics
Wonderful video. Thank you so much. I think it's so important to emphasize the fact that the Jesus movement was Jewish. It's amazing how that gets lost yet it's so obvious.
I would love for you to expand on this to include the Elcesaites. What is the Mandean connection?
Was Simon Magus also a follower of John the Baptist and peer to Jesus? If Morton Smith's work has any credibility, how does this tie in?
So many questions 😅
Jesus was no jew and told them their father is the devil. They murdered and slaughtered christ. Jesus was no Jewish movement. Jesus was moving the israelites to obey His word
Thanks for that insight! Would it be consistent to suggest that much of Gnostic thought is courtesy of the Ebionite tradition?
I'm also intrigued, now, by the fact that Methodism adopted the descending dove as its symbol. I wonder if that offers a hint at what notion the Wesleys held about the divinity of Jesus.
The Dove, symbolically speaking, was a well-known ancient representation of the goddess......
(And Paul was an overprivileged rich herodians. Even "Josephus" says so)
Yes he needs to write about Ebionites and vegetarianism among Jesus and his family, followers.
I’m curious (and maybe hoping this comes up as a video topic some day.): Do you know of any archaeological support for the existence of Zoker and James, the grandsons of Jude brother of Jesus as attested by Hegesippus via Eusebius? Specifically (of course) any remains that could be compared genetically to the remaining matter from the James/Jesus ossuaries?
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This interview raises several issues of huge importance to both faithful and bible historians as well. The first is the charge by the Ebionites that the Jewish leadership had changed the Torah... Dr. Tabor identifies these additions as those of the Priestly Source, as explained by the Documentary Theory regarding the origins of the Torah. The understanding of faith is that Moses wrote the content of the five books at the bidding of, under the authority of and in direct communication with Yahweh. If it were not for the work of critical biblical scholarship, we would never know that a substantial part of the Torah, which includes passages of instruction critical and foundational to Judaism, were added anonymously to the Torah from the second and third centuries BCE. Does it concern anyone else that these additions were given the very authority of Yahweh himself, by the means these authors used? It would be only of academic interest, except that within and outside the faith, these are presented as the actual words and will of Yahweh for all peoples on earth... recall that, "...the nations will come streaming to Jerusalem to learn the ways of Yahweh..." Historically speaking, the hopes and dreams that hundreds of millions of people over the last two thousand years are those of the authors of the Priestly Source living in the several centuries before Jesus came.
Further, if those same authors had control of the Sacred Writings, including the Written Prophets, could they have not added to Yahweh's prophetic words spoken through his authentic servants... ever wonder about the statling conflicts found there, ie. where Hosea speaks that you are not my people and a line later, you are my people. One possible explanation is that the original words of rejection were changed to forgiveness and reconciliation by those same second - or third century authors. The two major conflicting prophetic narratives found in the half dozen pre-exilic written prophets thunder out for explanation and resoluton... they both can't be the true Word of Yahweh.
That is the issue from the Old Testament. On to Paul... again there is baffling confusion provided by the New Testament witness surrounding his stance towards Judausm, the Mosaic Law and the Jerusalem Temple. Consider the reason why he Ebionites loved James and hated Paul. Acts 21:17-29 tells us of the witness provided by the Jews from Asia when they recognized Paul in the Temple. .. that he taught vigorously against the Jews, the Law and the Temple. And they would have probably killed him in a mob action, then and there. This is the kind of vioent reaction we are told that Jesus, Peter and Stephen incited in Jerusalem when they preached their gospel there. So, how is it now that a whole community can co-exist with the Jews in Jerusalem and even participate in Temple worship, sided by side. It begs the question , if the original gospel of Jesus and Paul created a lethal reaction before, how did James and the community members in Jerusalem change the original gospel of Jesus so that they could co-exist with the Jews? It is fairly well accepted that the gospel of Christ, portraying Jesus as the Jewish Messiah, was from the witness of the apostles in Jerusalem. This would mean that Paul's gospel to the Gentiles was not the secondary gospel, but viceversa, the gospel of Christ was the secondary gospel created to preserve the Jewish heritage, Law ad Temple included.
It is often thought, I've heard, that ancient writers are rather unsophisticated... ever wonder why Paul is made to recite his testimony of conversion three times by the author of Acts?
Read the passages carefully, making notes and see how skillfully the author takes him from someone preaching the original gospel so much in conflict with all things Jewish, who would never preach the secondary gospel of Christ developed in Jerusalem, to someone whose gospel... IS... the gospel of Christ. The transition is soo smooth, you don't feel a thing. Since Acts preceeds th Letters of Paul, it is he narrative of the Council of Jerusalem that provides the historical narrative. ..when it is Paul's disdain for what he finds James and the other apostle pillars have done to the original gospel preached by Jesus and his faithful followers of the Way, including Pzul. If the original followers of Jesus were called followers of the Way, as witnessed by Acts, then to distinguish their gospel from the later Jerusalem gospel of Christ, i could be called the gospel of Jesus in the Way.
These two issues raised by the interview on the Ebionites are critical to determining the historical reality of the Judeo-Christian faiths that daily billions invest their very lives in... the work of sorting these things out is astronomically critical to our well being.
It appears YEHOVAH never intended for any person nor group to do it perfectly so that in the restoration, He benefits all by His grace and Hus mercy!
Paul was a self-described spiritual chameleon willing to assume any form to achieve
a convert to his gospel. IMO this suggests he would without hesitation superficially
mimic the Ebionite, Nazarene and any other he felt circumstance warranted. Similar
in moral capacity with a typical 21st century politician in DC. As with the Ebionite, I
discount Paul and his gospel in it's totality.
I enjoy listening to your videos, James. I am trying to find answers to questions that are burning inside me. I joined a Christian church a couple years ago. I abruptly quit that church ( Church of Christ) and I quit being a Christian. I found the Bible to be sexist and demeaning to women. Is that true? To me, Eve is portrayed as being cunning and disobedient. The passage in Ephesians that states wives submit to your husbands which tore me up emotionally so much that I quit Christianity. Is there any religion that treats women and men as equals? I do realize, that someday I need to find it in my heart to forgive the Christian church and the Bible. I guess that is what draws me to your videos. I am trying to see the good in Christianity. I am beginning to think most religions were designed by men for men. If so, what can a woman do who wants to grow spiritually?
And designed by cis-straight men for cis-straight men at that.
@Yah Weh Got to admit, I was just thinking about that topic this morning. Being kind, having compassion for others, giving hugs and smiles gives testimony to who you are as a person more than any religion or philosophical tradition that one can adhere to.
@@Joe-po9xn Thank you so much, Joe. You are correct. That verse was written in 1st Century CE. I looked up marriage customs for that time period. Most marriages were arranged ones. So what Paul is saying about wives submit to your husbands and husbands love your wives aptly applies to a couple who barely know each other and find themselves in a most intimate relationship. I do not believe it applies to today’s marriages where a couple marry because of love and the wife has a job and an education. The church I belonged to said that statement was the word of God and needed to be obeyed as such . That is when I quit.
@@Joe-po9xn I want to thank you again . I spent all day thinking about your reply. I must admit , I garnered a dislike for Paul. After all he was a Roman. … Roman men were notoriously sexist. So, I thought Paul was just being sexist in that verse. You think Paul was actually doing just the opposite… attempting to get husbands to love their wives. Of course, I cannot imagine instructing or forcing someone to love another human being. Now, I feel so sorry for those 1st century women that lived such horrible lives. Of course, like you said I am looking at the sexism in the Bible through 21st Century eyes. Maybe I need to give Christianity another chance. I looked at other religions. The only religion I found that believed men and women are equal is Sikhism.
@@beverlybelcher3423
It appears to me that you are interpreting marital love as a modern romantic notion. True Biblical love is an action verb more about what you do than about how you feel. It is unselfish, it gives & proves... etc. Marriage is a covenant, not a convenience. Read 1 Corinthians 13 to hear Paul's wisdom.
As usual, thank you so much for your work. In this piece about the ebionites, did you mean loosENing the Torah? In England we say loosening, maybe in the US there is another verb. The important thing is of course, if I understood the meaning...
Jesus himself & 12 Disciples were Hardcore Ebionites..Jesus condemned The Pharisees/The Tribe of Judah(Benjamin) because they became Babylon or become Rich and money Tree eaters of the Money Tree of the Kingdom of Babylon, able to financed in building the 46 years to build Temple...Do you think his mother Maryam(Mary) was poor? Why do you think 3 Magu/Magi kings of the Far-east have to visit Mary?..Mary was not poor at all ,she was a rich woman from the lineage of Javan(Ionian) maritime sons of Javan who colonized Maguindanao from the words Mag-dala, Magu/Magi and called The Queen of the South(Mathew 12:42)..Maguindanao is the Island of Pateo(transliterated as Patmos) & Promise, where John & Mary(became mother of John Revelator) settled after the destruction of the 46 years to build Temple..Maguindanao is the Dwelling place of the great Eagle of Revelation 12:14.
@@yolandosoquite3507
The John who wrote the Gospel was the same John who wrote the Apocalypse in Patmos. John's Gospel is the only Gospel without an end-times narrative of the Old Covenant age. Why did he leave out the end-times in John's Gospel? Because the same John wrote the book of Revelation as his end-times narrative of the Old Covenant age.
@@yolandosoquite3507 you know allot. Do you have any recommendations on history books or sources?
Fairly complete understanding.
There are a couple of points to be made, the Ebionites represent the fate of the Evyon after 63. At that time the church of Timothy of ephesus can no longer be said to be Jewish, there is a rather formal break. Also a decade or so later the Jews rejected a dozen or so messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazarath. So those among the followers who consider Jesus a Christ, they are not within Judaism longer. I happen to think many of them did not.
Ebonite are the most closed to Jesus, seems they did know what James Tabor found! I must recognized Paul studied in Mesopotamia what was about the apocalyptic knowledge from Jesus Christ, but he modified the Jesus teaching, wich was the prepping message for apocalyptic times to come. This would not be a problem , but now we are at this apocalypse, so Jesus message is more useful than Paul Revelations, because we know Paul was right in his studies, but Jesus will be the road to go on.
So I read Paul differently, now, with your explanations, James, thanks🧡💚🙏
The Romans tried to do with early Muslims the same thing they did with Ebionites, but Muslims fought back and conquered them instead. I do think that is why Allah ordered Muslims to fight back to defend themselves and protect his message, and not repeating the same defeat as happened with James and Early Christians by the Romans and Paul.
Allah says in the Quran:
"39. Permission is given to those who are fought against, and Allah is Able to give them victory.
40. Those who were unjustly evicted from their homes, merely for saying, “Our Lord is Allah.” Were it not that Allah repels people by means of others: monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques-where the name of Allah is mentioned much-would have been demolished. Allah supports whoever supports Him. Allah is Strong and Mighty. 41. Those who, when We empower them in the land, observe the prayer, and give regular charity, and command what is right, and forbid what is wrong. To Allah belongs the outcome of events." [Quran 22: 39-41]
Matthew 26:11 -- "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always." People have debated the meaning of this for years, generally separating the two clauses as if they have no connection. But if you read it as "For ye have the Ebionites always with you," it has an interesting meaning. On another note, I think when the NT refers to Thomas or Didymus (the twin), it means James the Just, the twin brother of Jesus. You have to read some pseudepigraphy to get to this conclusion. The Twin Towers, 911 the birthday of Jesus and James -- Rev 12 and Matthew 1:23 -- Jesus born in Virgo. Feast of the Immaculate Conception 12/8 -- 9 months before 911. It gives a much greater meaning to 911 and why the evil ones would want to taint that day. I know people don't see unseen hands in our materialistic world but I think they exist in virtually every event. No randomness.
There are absolutely unseen hands that move the pieces around. The experiences I've had leave no room for doubt for me.
Astonishing! Except the feast of the Immaculate Conception memorialises the conception of Mary!
@@edwardmiessner6502 Yes. And 9 months after her conception on 12/8 comes 9/11.
The feast of the immaculate conception is a Catholic ideology that isn't biblical at all... 9/11 would be possibly The Feast of Trumpets 🎺 (Yom Teruah)
That's not the main or only mention of the Poor in the New Testament. James/Yakov refers to the group as that when talking to Paul.
What i dont understand is how can they write or have a Christmas story when their isnt one .
Preexistence means there is a Mind of God, and before Creation in the material sense of matter caused by unseen powers, the mystery of God had a foreknowledge of all humanity with a mathematical calculation that is like a knowledge of the names and the souls of people, before they arrive in time and space as corporal human beings. So all that exists has both a Memorial in hindsight of any creation, or acts of corporal materialism, that is ethereal or abstract that predicts that time is itself only an illusion, that the material world is not fundamentally real in itself, but unseen causes beforehand and after the fact of any event is the cause so that a past eternity is no different than a future eternity , that all times are really existing together as a singular moment given to divide itself into events that belong to once cause only and so any human being who ever lived, has some line of reason drawn from eternity to it's presentation , so we all are part of a eternal cause, which we have titled as God. Thus we existed before this world began, we exist after this world ends, and to what exactly we owe our existence is outside of time and space, a strange place called Heaven.
Fascinating fantasy.
@@andriesscheper2022 We think because we are able to, we think therefore we exist, the very aspect of Judgment based on the ability to think matters over, is sufficient theory of substance to title such behavior as God. If the Universe existed and if it emerged out of eternal matter, but it cannot think it does not befit the title and meaning of God. But whatever can impose thought leading to determinism and as a judgment upon matters, the one who has this ability is God. From the very earliest times the idea or term of God meant a JUDGE who is titled by a Tribal Office using a Law or system of practice , socially to determine the outcome of any man's fate, such a person is God. Communists deny God because their entire purpose is to be the God of the State, and so their Cult is Divine, and the People are but slaves. That is why they won't respect any other God but the State, because the States empowers the elect to play God, and make any final judgment upon the welfare and survival of humanity. Communists are then of the Devil. Caveat Emptor.
The video edit is hilarious. Just a suggestion: there is no point in showing the interviewer if he is just listening.
Geeze Louise...
Interesting that the Bible in genesis of course implies Adam and Eve were actually vegans; prior to leaving Eden; and then in the New Testament it does allude to some believers being vegan; avoiding meat sacrificed to idols. Etc.
I think they became meat eaters after the flood in Noah's time.
I was watching one of his videos recently and he made the statement that there were some writings that the New Testament quoted about a 1000 times. Can someone please tell me the name of these writings as I have already forgotten before I had a chance to look them up. Thanks very much
I read Paul as he is, a pharisee. I dont think he taught not to follow the law. He Said THE CURSE of the law is done away with. I understand that curse to be death.
Keep digging professor this stuff is great. Soon we will realise just who Jesus really was and just how much of a threat he was to the other major Jewish castes (wether or not he had been annointed a messiah/nasi) during the time that his family dynasty survived. I'm just a history fan and your stuff really gets to the true facts that we can build a credible picture from.
Jesus was the new name given to John the Baptist when he was born again of the fathers spirit. Phillipians 2:9-10, Isaiah 62:2. The gospels were written as allegory about these two dual natures that all born again Sons have.
@@RoseSharon7777 I'm not disagreeing with your statement as it's hard to say exactly what the motives behind the Christian Gospels were. However, it probably is not a good idea to mix the old testament texts with the new testament texts like Isaiah for example. This is because we do understand that the old testament texts are all about Judaism and Hebraic customs. The Jesus or Christian movement is not considered by them as congruent even though it's progenitors were also Jewish. This is true of many Jewish sects at this time including the later muslim sect which also claims credibility by quoting old testament writings as portents of its Qur'an writings. All the best.
@@robsellars9338 The OT tells us exactly who God is and who we are are to worship FOREVER AND EVER as God. As well it tells us about the apostate church of the future. I beg to differ with you.
@@RoseSharon7777 what do you mean it was the new name given to John the Baptist if you don’t mind explaining? I thought John the Baptist and Christ Jesus were more of an allegory in some way to Elijah and Elisha.
@@RoseSharon7777I thought that for a long time myself(that John the Baptizer was the best candidate to be historical Jesus). But I now understand it differently because it’s reflected in a lot of places Rome was subjugating where someone has to set the stage for the big hitter. Because previous apocalyptic messianic movements had been super conservative and John was a transition maker. John was like the herald of Jesus. I’m not exactly a Christian but I’m down with all the champions of the subjugated.
James Tabor, Could the lines cloth given to the slave boy in the gospel of Hebrews by the lord be a reference to And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: and he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.
- Mark 14:51,52
To me, without the additional info supplied by Secret Mark, this certain young man is presented as a rent boy (as if there would be rent boys active in and around the Holy City on Passover Week!). But with Secret Mark he is upgraded to being Jesus's newest disciple, and he gets to wear a robe in the empty tomb at the last scene in Mark.
When Paul says Jesus is of the seed of David, he knows it from scripture (or revelation), not from who he thought the historical father of Jesus was.
A little confused. I am quite sure that we have strayed too far from the OT and the way Jesus lived. But I am quite hesitant about rejecting anything clearly spelled out in the Bible.
About the pre-existence of Jesus- what about the first few verses of the Gospel of John?
As far as the virgin birth- it is right there in the Gospel of Luke.
Some of these views would make sense to my human mind, but if they are contradicted by the NT, it seems rather risky to believe them.
“For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Mitsrayim, about matters of ascending offerings or slaughterings. 23 “But this word I did command them, saying, ‘Obey My voice and I shall be your Elohim, and you be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, so that it be well with you.’ “But they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in the counsels, in the stubbornness of their evil heart, and went backward and not forward." Jeremiah 7:22-24.
For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. Jeremiah 7:2 (ESV)
This supports the Ebioniym in their belief that the sacrificing of animals is not preferable to Yahweh, but mercy and justice instead. To walk humbly in the way taught by Yahushua Messiah.
TO say Jesus got baptized being a Jew in our minds fits the description of how we baptized today but being a Jew he wouda been Mikvehed and often not just one time and the HS then should come on all who get our baptism if following suit! Such deception about the Lion of the Tribe of Judah such deception!
I can't understand his English pronunciation of "losing" or is he saying "loosening". It is all about how the letter S is sounded in the word.
The Ebionites and Nestorians where probably the origins of Islam writings, wich means "according script" in Aramaic, latest discoveries show.
That’s why Muslims follow the true message of Jesus unlike Christians
The theory goes among Islamic scholars that Mohammed was part of the Ebionites.
But the problem is that they also are based in Gnostics
@@Iron_Ottoman That doesn't fit completely, because the |Koran has many Gnostic theories about Jesus.
The gnostic elements in the Koran come from several christans groups and sects that are deeply connected to the gnostic theories.
Espc. on the crucifixion you seen something very weird in the Koran. Jesus appears there as some kind of superman. Some scholars things that is a very twistes way to explain that Jesus is the real exalted servant of God
@@Iron_Ottoman the problem is that the qur'an does not have a message of Jesus cause the writers change the Aramaic into Arabic and with that the meanings of the words have changed. 1 example is mohammad prophet Isa, son of meryam.
In Matthews gospel chpt.4, Jesus is led in the wilderness to be tempted (or tested by the adversary) is it possible that a group like ebionites or essenes or trying to qualify ' the teacher of righteousness'.
I thought the Ebionites were the same religious faction, probably close to James the Just, that wrote the Qumran writings, or at least their successors. They also call themselves humble or poor. The Qumran community mentions the prince of light as the future messiah who will lead them into war against the evil invaders (Kittim or Romans - War Scroll) and their allies. They do not have the teaching typical of the Gospels, which says that the Messiah advised them to pay taxes to the Roman emperor.
Yes! I think an Ebionite wrote Revelation, with Paul as the Beast, and also the Didache which excludes the symbolic, Mithraic cannibalism of "The Lord's Supper". Plus, the Ebionites rejected animal (and it still needs to be mentioned, human) sacrifice, because it ends up being a substitute for true salvation through repentance, as both John the Baptist and Jesus taught.
And your imagery of the dove nesting on Jesus' head, quickly brought the probable Sign of Jonah (trans. "dove"), to my mind, which is most likely the enigmatic symbol on the Talpiot Garden Tomb
FINALLY someone understands belief in blood sacrifice is Satanic doctrine! No way God would allow Messiah to suffer a horrible death so humanity would be "saved" from sins, repentance in prayer has ALWAYS been the way to redemption because its spiritual and thus of the God! Jesus and John weren't the only prophets who preached salvation through prayer, every prophet before them did as well!
Yes. The abomination of desolation is Paul's gospel. The Hebrew Matthew by George Howard. Preaching Jesus Christ dying for sins is the abomination of desolation. Jesus Christ was made up in the mind of Paul.
@@donaldchollar2033 Nothing better exemplifies the pagan nature of Jesus' supposed "sacrifice" than that old gospel song, "Washed in the Blood".
Your knowledge makes very little difference though. Most Christians know nothing when it comes to history or theology. Most Christians believe that Jews cannot atone for sin without sacrifice (a completely false claim).
It was John the beloved apostle of Jesus who wrote it.... who became a friend of apostle Paul.
Today I have begotten you is merrily a quote from Psalm 2. It isn’t distinct to the Ebionites.
This accusation that Paul was telling the Jews that they didn't need to keep the Law is mostly hype. It's true that Paul taught that we are free from the Law but you have to take that in the context that he also said that the ones who walk in the faith of Abraham (i.e. they believe God's promises) they establish the Law.
Rom. 3:31 - Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
The Seventh Day Adventists accuse me of violating the commandment to keep the Sabbath Day but I respond that I keep the Sabbath better than they do because I observe the Sabbath every day of the week (per the Book of Hebrews).
Those who want to bind us back to the Law of Moses completely miss the point of the advent of the Christ.
If you observe the Shabbat day each day of the week, so you never go to work.
You don't know the Bible. Jesus himself said that "Not one jot, or tittle, shall pass from the law, until the heavens and the Earth pass away." The heavens and the Earth are still here, therefore the law is still here. The Adventists are correct, mainline Christianity is not. Mainline Christianity follows much that was created by the Catholic church, which is the worst offender of all the churches, for adding heresies to the Bible.
@@gamewizard1760 - Look around. Has the Law gone away? Don't we still have the Torah?
The question is, Did Jeremiah's prophesy come true or didn't it? Pay close attention to how the Hebrews writer crafts this argument. Jeremiah 31:31ff is the longest Old Testament citation recorded in the New Testament.
I do know the scriptures and the power of God. Churches like the Seventh Day Adventists don't know what to do with the Prophet Jeremiah. They don't know how to handle the end of the Old Covenant. The Book of Hebrews explains it perfectly but you have to be willing to accept the logic.
And that's what it all comes down to, right? As it is written, "Today, if ye will hear His voice, harden not your heart."
Denominations give us license to reject the full gospel. As long as I'm in a denomination then I have numbers on my side. I can reject the teachings of the apostles because I'm a member of the _[fill in the blank]_ Church.
You can be a devout person and dedicated to your god or gods but in the final analysis, what's that going to buy you? It's good to have zeal but it has to be a zeal based on knowledge. Otherwise, it doesn't count.
I think the Hebrews writer does an excellent job defining the Covenants. God's word will never pass away but God's requirements depend on the context. I'm not under the Law and that's beautiful. The Law was there to serve a purpose. That purpose has never gone away but when that purpose has been fulfilled then the Law isn't needed anymore.
Now, your comeback should be: "Oh, okay, so you're saying that it's okay to murder someone."
I know what you're going to say before you say it. That's how many times I've been down this road, okay? I would be seriously surprised if you could come up with something I haven't heard before on this subject.
Commercial ads would be much easier to tolerate if they were not injected mid-thought. They are a nuisance, and they suggest that the producers are more interested in money than content.
Not the producers, but UA-cam. Even when the producers put in a break for an advert, UA-cam will invariably insert it or them in the middle of a thought, usually when you're drawn in and the presenter is making a critical point.
I was watching so many language and history videos on UA-cam that I went Premium and it's great. I gave up other streaming services with no regrets.
I like watching these when they drop and then listening as I fall asleep. Often I watch again the next day. All with no ads.
Intriguing and convincing. 🤔 ( Green Fire UK ) 🌈🦉
I thought that the Holy Spirit was to lead all believers to the Truth.
Brilliant. Love mercy, act justly walk humbly with the Lord your God ( micah) . No need for metaphysics, bit like the ebianites.
The ebionim are mentioned by name in Galatians and other letters. They’re the main focus in Jerusalem
I can present a 3-year researched case to demonstrate and show that all of these characters people are talking about as if they're separate individuals are all the same biblical critter Johns, James Peter Paul (and all the multiple Simons)
The Ebionites were not the same as the Essenes. The Ebionites were associated with the remnant Levites, (John the Baptist and Messiah),
: whereas the Essenes descended from the Jewish mystic cults associated with Zadok and later associated with the Gnostics ( Paul, a Hellenized Jew strongly influenced by the Athenian mystic cults he grew up Roman, around polytheistic mystic religions and was likely influenced by this culturally, regardless of studying under Gamaliel. He was also arrogant and competitive by nature even if his faith in his perception of Christ was true. Paul was building his ‘mega church’ while James, Cephas, John and the others were trying to teach mainly Jews, but with some God-Fearers the difference in Torah and tradition. Along with the Good News that though YHVH had divorced Israel due to her adulatory, He could now purify her from her adultery and make her sins, though scarlet, as white as snow, befitting a bride on her wedding day. But how could this happen since the law is clear that should a husband divorce his wife due to sexual immorality it is an abomination to receive her back again. THIS IS THE GREAT MYSTERY… Jeremiah 3:8-11, Deuteronomy 24:1-4. That is unless her first husband dies, then she is free to remarry. Jesus, the Messiah, the Regent of YHVH on Earth, did indeed die, waited three days as specified for confirmation of death under Jewish and Roman law, and then was raised from the dead fully alive as a new man free to retake his Betrothed, without the stain of sin.
This is the sin that died with Christ. He Died for the sake of his Bride, ISRAEL.
Do Gentiles have access? Of course. They ALWAYS have had access under YHVH’s covenant. But Paul has no authority to change what The Lord has spoken.
1. Exodus 12: 48-49. Commitment to the commandments, Immersion in a Mikvah (Baptism), Male circumcision, presentation before the Temple (currently fulfilled through the acceptance of Messiah’s work as the Lamb of God, His role as the High Priest, and in absence of the Temple: Prayer and Repentance (HOSEA 14:2, Isaiah 1:11-17, MICAH 6:6-8, PSALM 51:16-17, clearly stating that under YHVH “there be one Law both to the Native and to the Sojourner in your midst.”
The Law did make some distinctions between what was for sojourners, and what was for the Israelites
The Torah is fulfilled in tree of life; ahimsa. And the genesis commands. The fall separated from the first will of yhwh.
WHERE DO MARCION... the father of the new testament canon and the real first christian who breaks away from judaism FITS IN ALL OF THIS?
Is this related to the idea of, the "Eternal Sonship of Christ"?
I am curious if the current Church of the Nazerene traces its origin to the Nazerenes
You Know it's not
7:04 😊 thats exactly how i read that as well.
They wont be there, thats jut what they will be called😊
I haven't watched yet. Is the essenes and Ebionites the same People. Thank you
NO
It seems like the Ebionites fled Israel after AD 70 and became the Elkasites in Syria then became th Mandaeans.
It is John, on the two men who ran to the grave, we know from other sources who it was who ran to the Grave.
This day I have begotten you... why do I know that from somewhere and sometime and having a voice attached... My God, My God Why Have I Forsaken you, Be not Woeful Who Gives Suck, not for Me For You Did Righteously. Why Is It So hard to stand?
What's the manuscript in the thumbnail? Thanks.
Looks like the Catalin Hebrew Gospels
@@MinisterRedPill You can read it?
@@MinisterRedPill you mean Catalan (i.e. from Catalonia)?
Peter does speak of Jesus being eternal as well as Paul…“Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.”
1 Peter 1:10-11 ESV
Here Peter is telling us that the “Spirit of “Christ” influenced the prophets of the Old Testament. And, in 2Peter he declares this…“For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”
2 Peter 1:21 ESV
Peter is showing the working of God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus as interchangeable in the influence of Prophets in the Old Testament.
Jesus Was a Essene so was John the baptist, John, James the Ebionites, Essenes, Gnostics all had one thing in common They all were ascetics and were all vegetarins!
Tabor doesn’t think he was an essene bc his teachings contradicted theirs
Be' essene doesn't mean nothing... there were many kind of essene's sects..
The idea they didn’t beleive in the virgin birth; that is not something revealed to anyone. It was not necessarily known by his followers at the time they followed him. So if that did happen; as it says; people would doubt that claim in the early church or it was just a claim made by some people.
The Virgin birth was prophesied in the OT. Isiah 7:14
This was terrific. A perspective I had not encountered before. And such an appealing one. The truth surely lies with the Ebionites. Thank you.
Yes. This is the undistorted truth about Jesus.
nah, they give just poor light
yea the church tradition is just completly wrong lmao,what is this
as a Muslim
that makes me understanding Islam more clear
now i think our text talk to people have already a knowledge about all of that
so it seems little bit mysterious for us
thnks
Yes, you are correct. Much of what the Quran talks about is what people debated for many years before the Quran. Also, before the new testament.
You are on track to the truth, brother. Wisdom is a gift from God.
What's the thumbnail from? Looks like a Hebrew New Testament with commentary?
Sha'ul didn't teach the talmidim to disregard the torah. He was trying to explain that the torah is spiritual and not physical. The reason morons accuse Sha'ul of being false is because they do not posess the ruach of Yahuah. They pretend to be reborn by God's spirit when they're really still living in the flesh. Even today, there are several groups who bind unsuspecting people to the legalistic nature of the torah of Moshe. They think they are being righteous by observing a literal seventh day sabbath, or celebrating passover, and other rituals when they aren't biological children of Israel. The same kind of people in Sha'uls time who harrassed and demeaned new believers because they were physically uncircumcised. These are the very hypocrites whom Yahusha pertained to when he said,
"But whoever causes one of these little ones (the newly born by the spirit of Yah) who believe in me to sin (fail to obey the spiritual torah), it would be better for him if a millstone were tied around his neck and he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
The hypocrites who pretend to be alive but are spiritually dead would refrain from eating pork because they believe it's a sin against God while the true children of Yahuah who possess his ruach understands that not eating unclean animals is symbolical of not mingling with people who knows that they are sinning but still continues to live so because they hate God.
Split hoof = possessing wisdom
Chewing the cud = ruminating on the teaching they've received
A pig has cloven hoof but does not chew the cud. A man who believes every teaching he received but does not analyze it to prove its truth is a pig.
A pig will also return to wallowing in mud after you've cleaned it. This is also symbolical of the same kind of man who does not ruminate on the things he believes in; even if he gains understanding, he will just go back to wrongdoing.
Are you aware of the recent discovery of a tomb called the Salome tomb? And what is your opinion on the matter?
The Essenes and the Ebionites were essential from what I have looked into, the same group of people. John the Baptist was of this group. Jesus’ family group were of this group. When you look at what is known about the eating habits of John the Baptist, he ate no meats, drank no wine. But Jesus brother, James, who wrote the book of James, and was bishop of Jerusalem, was also vegetarian, Peter is on record as having a diet of bread and olives.
Many of John the Baptist’s followers followed Jesus after John the Baptist was killed.
Diet still is a hot topic, and those who are vegetarian today are also hated because we are healthy and take no medications because we decided to take Genesis 1 as true today as it was when God first told us what our diet should be.
People ignore that Jesus and John the Baptist preaches “repent for the kingdom of God is at hand”. But we have the “Grace” which Paul preached, of which James and Peter were not on board with. These two knew Jesus, Paul did not. But Paul was on board with eating meat and changing the day of worship.
In the end of this controversy, Rome did much to try to kill off any part of Christianity impacted their lifestyle. And the disease rose. Much of what the Jews knew about healing was what they ate.
The Romans tried to do with early Muslims the same thing they did with Ebionites, but Muslims fought back and conquered them instead. I do think that is why Allah ordered Muslims to fight back to defend themselves and protect his message, and not repeating the same defeat as happened with James and Early Christians by the Romans and Paul.
Allah says in the Quran:
"39. Permission is given to those who are fought against, and Allah is Able to give them victory.
40. Those who were unjustly evicted from their homes, merely for saying, “Our Lord is Allah.” Were it not that Allah repels people by means of others: monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques-where the name of Allah is mentioned much-would have been demolished. Allah supports whoever supports Him. Allah is Strong and Mighty. 41. Those who, when We empower them in the land, observe the prayer, and give regular charity, and command what is right, and forbid what is wrong. To Allah belongs the outcome of events." [Quran 22: 39-41]
The version as believed by the Ebionites is logical, rational, and probably closer to the actual truth than the circus of "today's Christianity"