Symbolism In Persona 5 Tactica Is Better Than You Think
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2023
- Uncover the hidden symbolism within Persona 5 Tactica. Discover the intricate details and nuances that elevate the story of Persona 5 Tactica to a whole new level.
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Something I really loved about toshiro's awakening is him stabbing his shadow. The scar on his hand is on the same hand he stabbed his shadow on showing that even if it put him thru pain he chooses to go thru it again and he's done hiding it. Also his mask having the opposite eye of Eri covered up with his mask is a really amazing piece of symbolism that makes me wish they let him have that mask for longer than the one shot like that's such a cool mask but they hardly use it.
Great attention to detail about the mask!
I will say, after Ernesto’s awakening, I never thought ‘Shadow’ Toshiro was an actual Shadow, just another of Salmael’s puppets. Every other version of this awakening (P4 and Futaba) involves accepting and recognising what the Shadow represents is still you, whether it’s Kanji’s worries about his masculinity, Naoto’s gender identity and how it effects her work, or Futaba accepting that the ‘suicide’ of her mother wasn’t actually her fault and instead blamed her as a scapegoat to divert suspicion. Toshiro never agrees with his Shadow that Eri’s ideals were wrong, or that the pain (Both emotional and physical) was her fault. He never embraced the ‘Shadow’ and didn’t need to to get his Persona because it was never actually how he felt, simply what Salmael wanted him to feel. If anything Erina is the closest thing to Shadow Toshiro, reshaped due to his vision of Eri and the harsh situation Salmael forced onto his mind and soul. The old Toshiro could never fight back to keep control but subconsciously he knew who could.
Then again I may be completely off the ball and spouting absolute BS, so sorry if I’m being stupid…
Don't need to be sorry, I think you are right about Toshiro not agreeing with shadow Toshiro but he's definitely concidered it. As show with the symbolism of the clock as he's in a state of unsure if what they did was right or wrong. So it's atleast that level of agreeing, as in deep down he think about it sometime. I don't really like discussing stuff in UA-cam comment since there is too much to go back and forth but I just want to say that as long as there are no clear contradiction to the story what u said or what anyone said could be correct. Everyone are free to analyze and interpret the story the way they want. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I did not expect the story to go so deep. I was blown away by the end and this analysis totally helped. Thanks!!
This will be fun to watch and discover the meaning behind some of details in the game
16:48 and the bullet will kill someone with havic
Awesome video but I’m surprised you didn’t mention the DLC. As it highlights that Geuenicas power to bring the emotions of a persons heart is likely what have both to Erina within his heart. This ability of course is how she knew what Arsenal’s looked like as she was able to see Jokers heart as well. Conversely, Arsenal being trapped also reflects Jokers own heart as a parallel to his velvet room which is a cell. I also believe the train is a result of Jokers will. This game also reflects lavenza’s own words at the end of Royal that Joker would inspire others to take up arms for their own beliefs.
Also should note that Salmael is conceptually the reverse of Erebus - a will for self preservation as opposed to a will for self destruction.
I'll make it so you are not surprise, I was playing on game pass so no dlc for me 😂 but I'll get to it sometime later.
@@Sky_Gaming_Academy Lol I am so sorry dude, legitimately I had no idea. Really is a fantastic video and I appreciate the effort you’ve gone to to find these small details. Right on par with the other games.
I agree that Joker’s true velvet room would be a train if he wasn’t a prisoner of fate since it fits the previous the theme of the velvet room being in motion ( ie the elevator and limousine from P3 and P4. ) Also, I believe we will see the velvet room as a train in P5’s last game.
I believe there should be some symbolism found within the voice actors.
The japanese ones specifically.
Erina has the same Japanese VA as Mash Kyrielight from FGO.
Mash has a sheild as her main "weapon" and is the main protector for the player character.
And up until just before the Shadow Toshio encounter, both the metaverse one, and the real world equivalent(when Eri was pushed and injured), both Erina and her real world counterpart, Eri, act as some sort of sheild for Toshiro during the events.
In short, a different games best Kohai makes a sort of tiny reference in P5T.
This VA thing is either a lucky coincidence (which i honestly doubt), or was picked for the symbolic reason i stated before, or possibly some other reason.
No matter the reason, i believe choosing Rie Takahashi was a good choice. (I hope to god i spelt her last name right)
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The names of the missions on your way to the final boss (gear god man, i already forgot his name), spells Asylum.
Which can possibly symbolise how Toshiro, just like Joker, is held as a sort of Prisoner to society.
And with Toshiro not changing clothes, despite all p5 related persona users having costumes, can mean something similar to what the entire game is.
Ernesto is the soldier.
Toshiro is the tactician.
Tactician's need no battle Attire.
You could throw out "then why does Futaba have a PT outfit, when she doesn't fight like the rest of the PT group?"
I can answer that as; Necronomicon has the ability to attack (shown by the bomb on Futaba's AoA finisher), but chooses to go with navigation, to fit with what Futaba does best.
And the costumes also reflect the users heart, in some way (makoto is a loose one, but then is justified by her perosna being a bike), which can mean that Toshiro, after awakening, saw himself as the perfect form of a "Rebel" or, in his case specifically, a "savior".
Which can be extended further (this next bit is quite the stretch, but bear with me). Him not changing clothes, and being in his suit can mean that heroes, or rebels, or whoever, can look just as normal as everyone else. Further strengthening the 4th meaning behind the existence of the clothes changing in the metaverse.
(To my knowledge, there are 4, maybe 5 reasons for changing clothes. 1, to show the heart of a rebel. 2, the whole mask thing. 3, hidden until a threat < 3 leads to 4>, and 4, that they're hidden among the masses they hope to change.
Whelp, i hope you enjoyed my little Ted-Talk rant thingy, hope y'all have a good day.
This was delightful.
I don't know if it's just me, but Erina appearing in the Kingdom where Marie, the fiancée, is the ruler might mean that Toshiro had feelings for Eri, or that she was his true love.
Yeah that’s hinted at quite a few times in the game. Particularly when Toshiro tries to hide the love letter from her. The ending seems to imply that as well.
10:40 and thus, this Dark Hour now passes..
If Toshiro was in P5R
Ernesto => SHE Guevara => RBD (Red Beret Diva)
12:55 I will SAVE myself... I mean Toshiro!
This game gave me ideas for P6 (some based on previous SMT games)
Autonomous Persona
4:44
Shadow Impulse: Like Berserk mode in Digital Devil Saga. Think Boss Adachi
I still don't understannd why enersto is chosen, he is a revolutionary, yes. But he is also a dictator himself
Because Toshiro believes that he ruined people's lives by overthrowing Nakabachi, which led to people cancelling him to the point of insanity. You know what happens next after that.
Also Milady is a literal villainess and she still gets chosen.
To play devil's advocate-and I don't appreciate the figure of Guevara so far be it from me to defend him-he was hardly a dictator. His importance and role in the revolutionary Cuban government was more symbolic than anything, and Castro had him sent away as soon as possible.
What he was, was a mass murderer with an appalling idea of revolution.
@@mrex666productions7the thing is that most of the cast's personas are based on fictional characters. Captain Kidd, Goemon, and Johanna are the only ones based on historical figures (though the latter two are based on much older and thus unreliable records), and of those Captain Kidd was the most morally objectionable for being a literal pirate. Compare that to the... colorful history of Che Guevara's laundry list of morally objectionable acts and suddenly Kidd is practically a saint enough to put Johanna to shame.
That being said, turning Che Guevara into femboy is probably the best thing that could have happened to him besides his execution
I think rebellion is emphasized over wether the personas of P5 are good or evil
Which makes sense, because revolutionaries are often grey and controversial figures
Is up to Toshiro to NOT become one
Also Japanese wordplay
XD
Wait is shadow Toshiro an actual shadow? Or a cognitive copy of one? The whole influenced by a god thing makes sense but...
Didn’t Lavenza say Erina was carrying his light and darkness?
Spoiler
He's both, when u first meet him he is a version with actual shadow involve. Later when he was all silver, that 💯% a duplicate. The game explain that's the reason when they are fully silver, their personality become less real and are more extreme compare to the original u fought earlier that are made with partially Toshiro memory/cognition. For the Erina part of u can link the time lavenza said that, it'd be great. I can link u the time she explain that Erina is something between shadow, persona and cognition. If u like to see it, with that I guess since she is in between it still make sense to have both light and dark, especially how Eri brought him light during high school arc but also is the one that put him into slumber after the incident (she's not trying to..) but ya I don't remember the exact time lavenza mention that. So if u can link me I can read more into the context.
@@Sky_Gaming_Academy that's cool I know which one your talking about.
"Marie Antoniette"
Clearly someone who doesnt own a castle if he messing up that pronounciation 💀
XD