IS HARLEY REFLEX DEFENSIVE RIDER SYSTEM-RDRS WORTH THE MONEY?
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- The new Harley-Davidson 2020 models are coming with the Reflex Defensive Rider System (RDRS) as a $995 option for the touring line-up except for the Electra Glide Standard. RDRS comes standard on the Livewire, Tri-Glide Ultra trike, and all CVO models.
In this video, I explain what is included in the package and if it is worth adding it to your 2020 Harley touring model. The Reflex Defensive Rider System comes with cornering enhanced electronic linked braking, cornering enhanced antilock braking system, cornering enhanced traction control system, drag-torque slip control system, vehicle hold control, and a tire pressure monitoring system.
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Just to make it clear I'm also a Motor Officer for my county Sheriff Office so I'm a very confident Rider with a decent amount of knowledge in handling a bike. That being said... Stuff happens while riding as far as gravel on the on-ramp. With my bike in a deep lean about 30mph my rear tire hit gravel and slipped out the RDRS responded immediately, much faster than I could have and I would say 20% was Knowledge and 80% was RDRS that saved the wife and I from a serious injury. That one incident with RDRS was worth every penny of it's value.
Great explanation of the RDRS system. It still applies today in 2023 models. Thanks!
I have a 2020 FLHTP which comes standard with RDRS ( for no extra charge on police bikes) Here's what I'v found so far. I didn't think I'd have a use for the hill hold feature however, my driveway is on a slight hill and when I have to dig around for my door opener, I used to have to shut the bike off in gear to keep it from rolling back while searching around for the opener. Now a squeeze on the brake and the bike won't roll. The tire pressure warning light is quite sensitive. The warning light came on with just two lbs low in the rear tire. I tried the traction control out by putting the bike in rain mode, pulling onto some grass and purposely giving a bit too much throttle. The tire spun for a split second then regained traction. As for the linked ABS, according to the manual, the brakes are now linked at 2mph instead of 20 to 25mph. While I haven't noticed this to be a problem as of yet, I have to wonder why H.D. felt this was necessary and wish they had a switch to shut off the linked system until 20mph and above. In closing, so far, so good.
Great information Jerry. Thank you for sharing with the Law Abiding Biker Community!
I love the way you explain things without a bunch of rambling and you make it easy for me to understand. Thank you for this channel.
You are so welcome!
My 2019 Electra Glide Standard has abs, but I think my dealer was behind that Pig Trail H-D. Love the channel keep up the awesome work.
It’s so typical that domestic auto and motorcycle features are always 10 years behind imports. That said, even as a experienced rider I would welcome any features related to saving my bacon!
Exactly Honda goldwings have had linked breaks since the mid-eighties
Well, the other brands don't have the HOG group members crying about how they don't need any new technology because they've been riding forever and never needed it before. They bitch about the $1000 price tag. While at the same time dropping $2500 on a set of aftermarket pipes because THAT is what saves lives!
i have it on my 2021 harley davidson street glide special, I love it it works seamless and provides a lot of safety
First don’t rely on those things! Best advice you can give. Control the beast first... Well explained. Good job.
The only thing I always worry about with these types of systems is what happens if it fails or doesn’t operate as intended? Can it actually CAUSE a problem. Example, way back when, my friend bought a brand new 92 Thunderbird SuperCoupe. What a car!! It was gorgeous. One day he was driving in a parking garage, went to stop, and brakes went to the floor and didn’t stop the car. Quick thinking, he pulled the e brake. Turned out the ABS chip failed and wiped out his brakes entirely. As long as these systems can’t exert so much influence or are not integrated to the point they can CAUSE a problem, I agree...extra layers of safety beyond proper riding technique is a good thing. Don’t rely on them though.
Yes. Those old first gen systems sucked.
The bikes still use force to apply the brakes either by wire or hydraulic. Then abs uses a very fast actuator to momentarily interrupt. Now days these systems are setup so if it fails, it would be stuck off rather than on. Do brakes work, no abs interruptions.
Traction control uses abs plus sensors like lean angle and front read wheel speed differential. And can interrupt power output. Same deal, if it fails, it’s off.
Really on bikes and cars. You can only cut power or cut braking. And sometimes adjust suspension but that takes more than milliseconds so it’s too slow. Then it’s all just sensors.
The computers get smarter. But it’s still wheel speed control.
The word you are looking for, is failsoft
Good review. I’ll definitely include RDRS on my next Harley👍
Thank you Keith. I'm glad you found the video useful.
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Even as an experienced rider, I like what this system offers so much that I traded my Heritage in for a Road King Special to get it. Not the only reason, but definitely a big one. Helped sell the wifey too 😁
Yes! VHC for Seattle/San Fran. I do not need it ... but would love it.
I do not have RDS. I've learned the hard way not to let false bravado overcome my riding ability. I would rather take it easy rather than winding up roadkill. I don't care what someone will say. I have before witnessed someone raggin' on my ass that wound up with road rash. Yes, I have crashed before and I did not like it. However we all know no matter what, you can still die every time you plant your ass on a two wheeler.
I have it on my 20 zephyr blue ultra. I love the extra features that come with it like tpms n hill assist.
Until my 1972 FLH all my Harleys and original Indians had drum brakes front and rear. A front drump brake is anti stop not anything lock and are only good to hold you at a light or hill. They were also all tank shifts so I am not in the habit of using the front brake at all. When I got my 02 FLSTC I dropped it twice pushing it because of that grabby front did brake. I had to train myself to use it but I'm better now after a few years using disc brakes.
If it really helps to promote safer riding, then yes! It’s worth every penny.
Rock on
Ryan Urlacher Thanks Ryan for the great informative videos you take the time to do! I’ve saved quite a bit of money doing the repairs on my bike myself. Very much appreciated!
The tpms is definitely worth it. How many of us actually check our tire pressure as often as we should?
U betcha
I think these systems are designed to prevent human errors, very helpful imo. When you can pay 18k or 20k in a bike, one extra k will not be noticed. I will never do it, just because if I had the money I would pay off my house before I buy a bike, but that's just me
Nice thanks for the information on the new tech that coming from Harley. Stay up and stay safe. M-21.
Speed is always a factor!
That's right speed is essential if you plan on winning and a very good reason my Africa twin as a button that turn it off of All That abs traction control leaning angle slides so you can win the Paris to Dakar Africa right
Nice vids love your channel mate know the work it takes as just started my channel and you definitely motivated me bro god bless from the uk 🇬🇧
Thanks so much for the shout out!!
Do you know if RDRS can be added after delivery? I bought a 2020 Road Glide (standard) off the showroom floor without RDRS. Can I add RDRS now, or does it have to come from the factory with it? Thanks, John
I think waiting a couple years for them to work bugs out would be wise. The tpms should have been standard on all of them. But instead you have to have a brand new touring bike taken to shop and have tires pulled and add the sensors and flashed to get that feature. Linked abs is still the most important. Hill start would be a nice convenience. I’m a fare weather rider so the traction control would be as obnoxious as my f150 start stop tech where I have to push a button every time I get in truck to deactivate it. You would have to be a pretty bad rider to need these features. Abs is Somthing most need for a panic when Somthing runs out or cuts u off out of nowhere. Natural to respond with an unintentional heavy braking in that spilt second.
yes, ABS is awesome
I wonder if these features will reduce insurance cost.
I wish, but knowing greedy insurance companies, I doubt it.
great video !
i try to ask , know u if the next year (2021) the HD put all this system on Softail ?
tnx
Great info Ryan, thanks.
Keep the $1000. Learn to ride and practice practice practice. We do high speed emergency braking practice at least ten times a month. Do it on my 18ultra with abs and my 19FLHT without abs. Top speed for this is 50mph. If you lock it up or your abs kicks in you buy the beer
Do NONE of these, individually or collectively, come as (a no-cost) standard? In the UK 'basic' ABS is now mandated in all motorcycles (and cars), but I'm not sure about anything else.
Great advice as always
Thanks Mike!
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What year did Harley Davidson start putting rdrs on it's police models?
How come Harley doesnt have an automatic saddlebag lock? Indian does. Hit the key fab, and the saddlebags lock. Do you know if it is an option for Harley touring models?
CVO standard feature.
@@flyingjeff1984 the CVO has locking bags? Really?
@@flyingjeff1984 dont you think that it should be an option that can be installed on any of the touring models?
@@adambrockie8532 Can you imagine the Harley tax for a new wiring harness?
I think everything they sell should be available. They probably have figured out what the public is willing to pay and aren't willing to offer it at that price.
@@flyingjeff1984 come on people are throwing 45k on a motorcycle. You dont think that people would pay 2k for a locking saddlebag with a button?
I would... its just so much easier. Worth the money to me
I've been riding since 1975 most of my life on British Nortons and Triumph 750's and now on a 2018 Ultra Glide. I agree with you completely that riding skills and understanding are the key to safe riding. This kind of technology concerns me, surely the best safety tools are your own experience and gut feeling for the riding conditions? Adding another element into the roadcraft seems to be more of an obstacle and may introduce new reliance and risks into what is already a very dangerous activity if you are not fully attuned to the machine and road conditions.
Safely? always! Back in the day, all you had to be concern about was the drunks on the weekend. Now, it’s those who text and drive and that’s 24/7
Good video I think Harley should build quality. As you know as well as most of us for Harley the quality is going downhill. And how about the lights stupid stuff they take the brake light off street glide but offer more lights or aftermarket. No I guess Indonesia China India lots of places are the M8 motor they’re outsourcing their lifters good for 5 to 15,000 miles before you blow up. Come on man. Enjoy your videos face. I’m gonna say it again quality !!!
Great info., thx!
You know, the Japanese, and German makers are miles ahead of HD with this stuff. Maybe I should say kilometers? The point is, HD can't be trusted to introduce this stuff because their quality control is second to everyone. To me, they build more, and more reasons to have to take your 27k bike into their service bays.
I don't ride HD, but if you are referring to the consumer reports stats just remember that doesn't tell the whole story...
Pretty Damn reliable bikes and easy to work on
Anyone know if this system would be effected by performance upgrades like front end, aftermarket brake rotors, etc?
hi RYAN have you seen on 2020 harley took the vent close button off you dont need it it is nice to keep open in rain and cold also on rosd glide you can not close ths two side vents please do your skit on how did they come up with this idea o also you dont need a heel shifter
Yah, good call on that. Yah, I disagree with them removing that. I close mine in heavy rain. I have no idea what they were thinking by removing that. Very true on the heel shifter too. Getting cheap!
One can never grab too much rear
Well, since you said so. LOL~~~
I can read between the lines... 😂👍
Ok what do I do if I wanna upgrade my cam ??? Idk be great thing but I can’t seem to upgrade my cam and have a new badass cam and it function accordingly ugh I f swear Harley if it’s not one thing it’s another f up
Please if you have any knowledge please share and thank you
Ryan, the word is spelled BRAKES not BREAKS. 5:29
The vehicle hold control is a good idea but why cant I just use friction zone to keep from slipping back on a hill?
How long are you willing to ride the clutch? Going to get mighty hot down there.
Well for about a minute max I would say
LOL, guess "breaks" was an accident. Oh well, uploaded now. Nothing I can do.
Yes, sir!! I just wanted to tell you that. My first grade teacher would be proud of me... 😀
Can this system be added to a 2018 Street Glide ?
Nope
is there a way to disable the vehicle hold control?
Twist the throttle
No. But you have to be pretty deliberate to set it. Takes a good squeeze on the brake lever to set it.
Good for Harley for recognizing that they were way behind times. Then again, Harley riders don't wear protective gear, so they would not need any of this! All this means nothing to a guy who rides with no helmet, gloves, boots or armored jacket. Thanks for explaining.
This Harley rider wears protective gear. I always have my helmet, pants and boots and shirt on. In the city. On the highway/road trips I have boots, pants, chaps, shirt, riding jacket, full face helmet and gloves on.
Probably the paramedic in me.
Another HD rider (Road Glide) who is always in full gear. Full face helmet, jacket, gloves, boots and hi vis airbag vest. I've been riding 42 years and really don't like hospitals.
Very judgmental, not a great look on ya, Becky.
Its not worth a penny to the guy in the demos on the dresser without reflex system ...did you see him throw that side on wet pavement and recover it like "Jay Springsteenl" on the old indy mile at 140 ... Anyone that can flat track a harley couch of a half ton without a high side from scrapping off the floor boards deserves a metal and pole possession on all Harley Night at Casa Mesa Speedway
I understand that the 2025 Harleys will have an optional Rider Assist that will comprise of a trained competent driver who will drive your bike for you while you sit in the gin mill with your bad self...
Too bad Harley (and other manufatureres) don't require buyers to pass a basic rider competency course. I see too many middle age guys with fat wallets and fatter heads plunking down 35K and riding out with a bike they have NO BUSINESS even sitting on. (Not picking on older guys, I'm almost 70 and STILL practicing my skills every day...2008 Ultra CLassic)
If you need this on you're bike you should not be riding.
Weaver Kevin why? It’s a safety enhancement. Everyone at all skill levels can benefit from this. That’s like saying remove airbags from cars because if you can’t avoid an accident you shouldn’t be driving.
We don't need no RDRS or ABS or Cruise Control or Boom Box or GPS or EFI or suspension or big motor or hydraulic clutch or electric starter or comfortable seat or floor boards or air-filled tires or this or that. If you need all that, you shouldn't be riding a motorcycle, you should be riding a bicycle. Go old school or go home. LOL!!! They will make it standard in a couple of years like ABS.
Lol. The best impression of some idiot! Love it. I can’t count how many times abs saved my ass in the rain... but derrrrrr it’s for dummies! Hehe.