Harley Bagger Performance Just Makes Perfect Sense
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- Performance Harley bagger builds just make perfect sense, a Harley bagger is the last Harley you'll ever have to buy so why not put some money into it? You can literally have it all with a Harley bagger, you can get sport bike handling, incredible brakes, plush suspension and still take this thing across the country loaded down with gear. You're truly only limited by what you put it into it. It's not all motor though when it comes to a performance Harley bagger, getting the right suspension can actually make the stock power more useable. Then from there we can move onto getting the power in the engine pumped up to where you want it to be!
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What order do you prefer to build your bagger in? Do you go with the motor work first, get the suspension done, or even worry about brake upgrades?
Suspension plain and simple. It makes the biggest difference in how your bike performs plain and simple.
Did seat bars and air ride and stage 1 first just put in fueling 543 camchest kit
After going to Stage II immediately after getting my Road King I wish I would have done suspension first then engine upgrade.
My bagger was perfect from the factory. All I had to do was get new air cleaner, new exhaust, tuner, new bars, new seat, new suspension, and upgraded speakers 😂😂😂
Hey appreciate the help.
The suspension should be first. It makes a world of difference and helps make even a stock bike feel like it's putting down more power.
It's not cheap but I've never heard anyone say they regret spending the money on it!
Agreed most important upgrade. Tires that fit your riding style help as well. You don't need acceleration if you don't have to slow down
@@GixxerFoo Buy once cry once
I agree. Especially if you're talking about an older dresser. The first thing I would do is replace the top triple clamp with one from Custom Cycle Engineering. Why Harley took so long to improve that is beyond me.
I bought a sweet used twin cam . With the money I saved buying a used bike, I sent the bike to Baxters Garage and had everything you’ve mentioned done one shot including LED’s all around with the front and rear cameras. This took a year to do during the Covid parts shortage era. I paid as he went. Very easy guy to work with. Bike came out far superior than a new bike.
He's the man
What kind of power did you get?
@@danfecke IDK as I don’t like dyno tuning as the bike will then always run hot so all I got is a guess as to hp. The builder says my particular build and tune will leave me aprox 110/115 hp although it feels like a lot more than that. I opted for 10:01 compression as the focus of my build was primarily dependability . HP was a secondary concern. The power comes on immediately . No need to wind it out. The engine sings. It’s was a 96 but is now a 107. He could have taken it to a 124 with around 145 hp but again my goal was dependability.
@@johnlfrank8078 sounds like you had a great plan. I watch Kevin Baxter’s videos. I’m sure that motor will outlast you also sounds like you got a lot of torque.
LEDs and front and rear cameras? I'm jealous...... Good for you I like your plan and I I like the whole story thank you
A motorcycle as expensive as a Harley-Davidson bagger should come with a top-of-the-line suspension system should be included in the high price you pay for a Harley dresser.
I agree 100%, but in typical Moco style they would add gladly add another 10K to the MSRP lol.
I rode the Pan Am and can not figure out why HD can’t put suspension like that on the baggers! Or HP for that matter. Makes no sense.
I always felt bad for the guy at the Harley factory who spent his days forming, welding, chroming, polishing, and installing beautiful and perfect mufflers. Knowing that within 30 minutes after the bike leaves the shop, these things will go into the garbage.
I did the rear suspension first. The stock set up on my road glide was horrible. After the upgrade I was blown away at the difference.
I ride a softail, the rear suspension is horrible. But I love the look.
This is a rich man's game. Most of us don't have $40,000- $50,000 to customize a bike.
All that money to be limited to 115mph🙄
@@joeplem5329 I had a Kawasaki concourse in the 80's that would smoke any of them
Just bought a 2023 SG 107 December 23. It's now parked until spring....Upgrades Stage 1 S&S Pipes, High Flow and tuner, seat, saddlebag guards, LED Custom Dynamics all around and Ohlins front and rear......
Well, I’m one of those guys that spent 30k on an ST. It only has 44 miles on it because it won’t stop snowing here, but I’m not sure what I’m going to do first yet. I’ll put a seasons worth of miles on it before I decide where to start. Great video! Big fan of the channel
bought my bike new 05, it went from 88tc to a 95 and ported. then speakers in stock holes with an amp. after 100,000 miles, I put 12-inch legends, split the cases, balanced S&S crank, timken bearings, geared 543 cams, S.E. cam plate, 55mm/1.66 throttle body,S&S push rods, 10.5 pistons. everything inside motor new. with numerous other goodies.
3:17 love the red
3:25 there’s a turbo on that.. damn
I did the engine first on mine, but once I did the suspension on it I realized that I probably should have done it first. By far it was the best upgrade I’ve done to my bike.
It is kind of ironic you saying that Harley's don't have enough weight that's like saying the Titanic did not have enough ice😂
i own a 2020 FLTRX, and a 2005 XL1200C that 1200 is a reliable beast. the FL with the M8 has been nothing but problems. i got 10k miles on that engine and its bone stock. i plan on when i overhaul the engine i will put it as a 131 (yes i will be replacing the crank). my 1st upgrade to my bike so far is the brakes (warped rotors replaced). next will be my suspension (suspected bent down tube from the triple tree). it sux that harley davidson quality has gone so far down hill. i use to be a die hard H-D man till this 2020
I bought 2012 Road King Clasic very low miles.
Legend suspension upgrades back and front first. I then got a Corbin heated seat. New bars to fit me and added heated grips. Just did a power upgrade with new cam, jugs, and pipes.
Got Ohlins all round on my bike, definitely not the best bang for your buck. Tires and bars is the place to start..
I love what you said about buying a used bagger.
Here's a good example, my friend bought a used 2015 RK 103 ho 17,000 miles and had Reinhardt true duals already on it , $15,800 payments of $350 a month.... A month later I tripped across a 2006 RK cop bike, full cam chest upgrade with SE203 cams. Came with a complete service history from the police department. I gave $3000 for it . Spent another $700 getting everything serviced and registered. No it's not exactly the same bike.
I can throw $10,000 at Sam (my RK) and still be under what the newer one cost. The price difference only gets bigger when you go up in models. Not to mention the payments.
On my '95 Electra Glide Classic I am working the suspension first since it has 97,000 miles one. I have a leak in the front air shocks in the forks, but it is probably just fitting. I am doing a mild build, nothing fancy. Then I will turn to the engine with a cam and slight increase in compression with some KB pistons, then probably port the heads or send them to Dave Mackie. I want to ride this bike for another 20 years which will put me in my 70s. Then we'll see from there.
Last couple of years did alot of upgrades to my 2004 EG. But looking back, the suspension should have done earlier then I did. HyperPro front and Progressive 412 rear. Happy with the setup. 80hp after Dynojet adjustments, not a performance bagger but nice road usable power.
I go for the rider triangle first. Then onto common mods (mods shared across platforms). For build specific mods 'stance' is first aka suspension ;)
Absolutely, suspension upgrades 1st👍🏼
Going this route will ensure you have a better handling, more comfortable bike for you & your riding partner
That's the same thing I said.thats why I ride an fjr 1300 and I lost count of how many harleys I've left in the dust and never got into third gear doing it.yeah 170 mph bagger off the showroom floor with electronic suspension and cruise control made perfect sense to me!!
Not sure what area you’re from but you can’t buy any new bagger at $30k. The ST models at the dealerships around here are about $34k.
Suspension is grossly underrated and usually is most appreciated after the fact lol. Harley Brakes are adequate and plenty good enough, it’s the pads you’ll want to upgrade to something softer like Lyndall.
The first thing I did was stage 1 on my twin cam then rear shocks then handlebars maybe someday ill get some cams and a front suspension kit but my big 3 mods are stage 1 at least rear shocks and handle bars cant imagine riding without these anymore I'm officially a Harley snob
I put power in the bike First then see what else it needs. My 110 cvo is now a 113 and with all the engine modifications and exhaust changed it makes 120.5 HP at the rear wheel. I love it.
I replaced all my suspension on my FatBoy. Then took a S&S 124 that came with 130hp. Went through it. When I was done it dyno out at 166hp with 170 torque. You are correct. It’s hard to keep the rear tire from smoking..
I bought my 2014 SGS used, previous owner upgraded the cam, exhaust and air cleaner and added a target tune. Within a month or so I upgraded the suspension to Legends. That made a world of difference in how the bike handles, makes me think that suspension should come first.
I agree (2016 ULTRA LIMITED owner) now, why haven't I done this yet???
What series Legends did you go with?
@@freddie90014 I got the standard revo, although I think I should have spent a couple hundred more and gotten the revo-a for the additional adjustability.
Oh my GOD! Check out that “Carpet Bagger”! LMFAO
Suspension first!! After I installed a set of legends on my 2013 glide, my girlfriend will now ride with me!! Made a very nice improvement over the stock air ride, which was crap!!
I did my transmission...Man-O-War Compensator, Screamin Eagle Assist slip clutch...D-N-D two into one pipe, Screamin Eagle cone filter spark plugs and wires a d tuner...
Plans for the future...124 on my 2016 Road Glide Special
I got the heat out of my engine first. I then improved the suspension. Then went back and improved the engine with a cam. Then went back and had Ohlins installed front and rear. If I had to do my 2013 over again, I'd find a way to do all the engine work and then go to Ohlins front and rear. FYI, the better suspension helps in braking as well.
How is the Ohlins headed that way
How is the ohlins iam headed that way ?
@@donschultz3207 I love them . Huge improvement over stock.
@@donschultz3207 Just to clarify. I ride between 200 and 300 miles per day on back roads thanks to Ohlins. The stock setup was rough on my wife even on 100-mile days.
Best upgrade for ant EFI harley-davidson is zippers ECU, forget cam upgrades and big botre kits, Zippers makes the motor run right, more power, better gas miles smoother running and even cleaner oil. All for $1000.
Legend rear suspension only, S&S 128ci kit to build up a 117ci stock motor, bigger brake rotors up front.
Plenty of engine and stopping power for my riding style.
2021 M8 motor bagger
Thanks for all you do Gixxer!
Guilty of spending 30k on a RGST last year, now at the same shop they want 40k for the same bike! I did upgrade the suspension first and pipes, this year we'll get some more torque out of her. Im used to my 2000 road king with the 95ci kit in it, torque is instant over the 117.
I built my bike in the following order
The first thing I added with stainless steel brake rotors and a high revving 113" motor(welded crank ,gear driven 67 g Andrews cams, high performance oil pump, CNC heads super e carb and a 3.15 primary gear change.) I then rebuilt my original st suspension. And added a wider set of tires.
2001 Roadglide ST.
That's what I'm talking about! That's the way to do it! It's way cheaper that way, you get all that done for way less than the cost of a stock new motorcycle!
@@GixxerFoo I also added a oil cooler and the extra qt. Oil pan w frame brace. But now I'm starting to get old and fall apart and I'm probably going to turn it into a trike next. Probably a hannigan independent limited slip wide track.
How much horsepower are you putting out with your set up and what is your RPM at 85 MPH on the highway?
@@freddie90014 I've never dyno'd the bike...but in 5th gear at 85 I run 3400 rpm 70 is at 3100 60 is at 2700
@@randylucas2458 AT 85 MPH , I’m at 3200 RPM. I’m about to change the factory cam I think is Harley’s 263 cam I believe came in the Screaming Eagle, 103 engine, I’m undecided on which one cam
S&S 570 or the Star Cycle 577. So far I’ve been beating 114 engines with the Sceaming Eagle tuner, air, breather, and exhaust slip on‘s, and full exhaust systems. 😎
Suspension was done on my bike before I took delivery on it. Running legends front and rear, and it makes the biggest difference.
After I got it home, I threw a set of FXR Division Motorwitch bars on it. Installs like apes, but has more of a T-bar feel. Since it doesn't use a new triple upper, you don't get quite the handling of say a Thrashin or Kraus setup, but it's good.
On my 03 anniversary Roadking I did progressive suspension first,then upgraded the brakes with the new style OEM brembo calipers with braking wave rotors and finally I did a stage 2 with S&S cams and lifter’s,screaming eagle cam plate, oil pump and pushrods.Arlen Ness intake and a BUB 2 into 1 exhaust. I wanted to do upgrades and not break the bank.
Stage 2 1st. Heritage handles fine!
I'd like to add that the weight is a definite bonus on the highway when that increased braking, suspension and horsepower allow you to truly feel planted at speed
Being a large man 6’4” 320 lbs I go motor then suspension and finally brakes but most important is motor for two reasons 1 like I said I’m a big guy 2nd and more important is I gotta be able to out run all or at least most of the guys I ride with there are a couple of guys I can’t mess with an RC51 and another guy has a sportster that will spank just about anything in our area but he is pushing 170 hp out of his turbo charged frankin sporty lol
Amazing difference on acceleration , handling , and braking after adding my Legends suspension front and rear . I did do exhaust and cams first . I was going to go big brake kit etc but now I’m just going to add better pads … because it is that much better at braking with having great suspension… as you mentioned not glorious but it’s truly the best upgrade imho
I own a 2016 Ultra Limited. I bought it used a year and a half ago and have just recently started to modify it from stock. I'd like to be working on the performance but for now I'm concentrating on the comfort features. I've installed: a Reach seat cause I'm vertical challenged, I installed 10" Paul Yaffe Monkey Bars, I just ordered an adjustable riders backrest, and I changed out Harley's worthless Infotainment system for a SOUNDSTREAM Reserve HDHU14si head unit, 6.5" speakers in the fairing and in the tour pack. But when I start to work on the performance side I'll probably start out with the Stage One mods. Maybe look at TAB 4 or 4.5" exhaust with Zombie baffles, and a nice Arlen Ness air cleaner or something else cause I really haven't looked into them. Then maybe change our the stock cam for a Woods 222 or who knows. I really appreciate the information you give in your videos, thank you. Keep the shiny side up and the rubber to the pavement. 🛣️
Went for the engine 1st. Cams 510c Aircleaner and exhaust/pipes. Next was a 124 wirh Cases 640s and larger Heads. 10kmls later Injection, a 56/58mm with 6.2gr Injectors and bigger Aircleaner. Up til there i experemented a bit mysel on the Powervision. But didn ´t want to leave HP unfed, went to a Tuner. Result was i had 135 by my Tune and he made it to a 145HP on the wheel.The Clutch is a Barnett Scorpion, played with the Springs around, like the middle ones.
Next Step was front Wheel changed to 19 Enforcer, mine was a Wagon Wheel in 16 as they come.Discs from Drag Specialities, cheap and pretty good. The Fork works much better now, guess the Balloontire ate the Infos from the Street that the Fork needed.
Next Step will be Shocks. And possibly a better Tune for cool Engine.
So far 25kmls on the Engine. Ran it in a long Time, had a lot of Pressure in the Engine shot the Level Stick out every Time i went for 4500Rpms. Drilled in Dipstickcover, fixed a Tube on it nad this Way gave the Pressure a release and i would not lose the Dipstick. THe Solution was the bigger Injection. No more sumping.
Had my INfos from UA-cam to know what to look for, and who to ask for Advise.
Also a Friend wh knows a Thing or two about General Engine Building.
Wish you all a safe Ride all the Way
Good seat. First thing. Then suspension, then performance upgrades
Brakes , Suspension maybe a cam. But I live in a heavy population area.... That makes all the difference in witch order I'd go in.
This is why I sold my road King with the 88 and got the switchback with the 103 seems like a better starting point.
Agree completely! Pro action for my RG!
My 96 road king just got a full big bore kit, andrews ev5 cam, 2 in 1 exhaust and I’m excited to ride it. Suspension and appearance will probably be next year. Older bikes need the performance while the newer bikes you can probably get away with not doing it first.
Winter 2019, Purchased a 2013 FLHX. Changed spokes to oem mags, man-o-war compensator. Winter 2019/20 added legend suspension front and rear, True-Track anti wobble system, & DynoJet power vision. Winter 2020/21, added Dynojet Target tune module W/wide band O2 sensors, KromeWerks 2-1-2 stepped exhaust replacing V&H true duals. Winter 2021/22, replaced 103 Stage II w/SE 120ST Crate engine and S&S Cam plate/HV oil pump, Baker Grunge box OD6, Barnet clutch extra plate kit, and Thunder max ECM. Winter 2022/23. replaced oem SE 259E cam with Redshift 657 and HP fueling lifters & larger front brake calipers. I think I'm about done.
White boy John at the end doing the Wheelie
Ive got an 05 road glide. Its got a ton of miles but i like it.
I wrestle daily with putting money into making it a performance bagger or just punting and getting a new low rider st or similar st big cruiser
did stage one first. was lining up a cam until I started reading these comments. 19 RKS the suspension seems fine to me even when riding 2 up. really considering doing the rear suspension first now.
Speaking of suspension. I changed out the front suspension stock oil to screaming eagle fork oil. Damn did that make a difference in handling. Much better in the twisties - 09 RKC stage one
Step one leather flip flops, step two turbo charge
I'm happy with just a stage 1 or a 2 for all my riding needs. Enjoy your videos 😊
Brakes, suspension, then the motor & primary
personally i think 16 130 150 tires/ rims a long way twards diving into curves. if your going to rake the bike go in not out but these bikes already have a good wheel base. I'd bring the bike up a couple inches of course get ride of floorboards ect...
1st T bars
2nd suspension
3rd stage 2
4th big brake brembos with lyndall rotors
I did legends suspension first. I’m getting ready to do cam, intake and throttle body. No sense building and engine up without having a good suspension to put the power to the ground.
The first thing I do is pay up my insurance
I'd like to hear more about upgrading triple clamp, increasing the rake
Upgrading the triple clam is where you really get serious, usually doing that you want to decrease rake which makes that front end a lot snappier. Then the front wheel size comes into play, this is why the first year of Honda's CBR 900RR in the 90's was a death machine for the inexperienced who got a hold of one. No rake to speak of with a 16 inch wheel, that sucker turned so fast and snappy it got a lot of people hurt.
Thanks for the info, I'm planning to build up a Road King and researching everything that can be done while it's torn apart to save on labor costs. Not sure yet if I want that sharp of response in the steering. Saw your video on upgraded suspension, bar swap, I think about floating brake disks, ect, etc. It just keeps going
Suspension first on my bikes! Simple for me.
The worst part of my bike (2012 Road King) is the rear suspension.
Just horrible in every way.
I have ohlins fork inserts and they are amazing, rear is after market but just shit.
Saving for some Hd357 Ohlins.
The Worst $$$ I ever spent was on stereo. Still can't hear it going down the highway.
I would definitely do the suspension first because even without the power it makes it a better touring motorcycle.
I'm glad it's working for them but I never did 'get it' - if I want my bike to perform the last thing I want to do is put bags on it :)
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Big thumbs up for the channel...
Building a bike like this appeals to me. But my gs1200 already does all of these things and I can even take it off road.
I Guess a panamerica would be similar but would still lack that HD growl.
when i purchased my 2012 flhp back in 2013 first thing was stage 1 kit then progressive suspension then a rinehart true dual exhaust and a thundermax tuner. considering a different cam and oil pump upgrade when i get a few bucks saved
All that power is useless if you can't get it to hook up and once it hooks you better be able to stop it. To build a serious performance bagger you need to do all 3. Get the power, get it to the ground and be able to stop! To accomplish that you'll probobly wind up spending upwards of 10K! As usual I enjoy the videos as they are so informative.
I did Stage 2 with woods 222 cams and couldn't be happier next on the card is suspension wouldn't go any further but hey who knows down the line.........
i have rode HD for 50 yrs. one shovel sporster all rest 74 flat/pan/shovels D R E S S E R S !!!!!!!!!!!!!! they have stock engines they can get u to your death no need to hurry it up ride your own ride HAPPY TRAILS
Start with an FXR and build from there!
I think about doing even more and I can’t actually pay for anything else right now. Driving myself crazy even though it’s great right now lol.
Kinda neat seeing my bike in the beginning. I know it’s not for everyone 🤙🏽
Buddy just put a Star 30/30 in there..great bump. Fuel milage suffered -a lot . I’m gonna stick with the SE torque cam along with nice headers/mufflers and dyno it. I eat miles in mine so it will give me a nice bump and maintain some mpg . Suspension is coming for the front. Legends Revo A in the back. Just don’t know what a decent match is up front unless Legends $$. If I can just do springs and improve the front I will. Just don’t know what brands etc.
I just did the Legend Axeo Front shocks on the front of my 2015 bagger and OMG Amazing difference.
My first move in any buildup on my '07 Road King is, "Hey Hon"?
Suspension.. last year rears… as of this week fronts (both Legend). Brake pads in front will be changed by myself next week. Bought a ‘22 RGL and had dealer put a Stage II in right away. Debating a 135 kit next year, but might be too rich for my blood.
They have bagger racing on UA-cam, it’s quite interesting.
Great video Gixx, hearing you talk about brakes makes me want a video about the different kinds, full floating, semi floating or rigid rotors. Just something to think about.
My ST has the legends front and back, with a T Mans performance cam
It rides like a rail, why would I change the triple tree? Which ones?
Loved the knowledge! Stuff people need to know!
Upgrade cams cam plate, Exhaust. Then work on the handing
Big wheel baggers are dumb, choppers are dumb... finally the performance culture taking over Harley that started with FXRs, then Dynas, now baggers just makes sense. Once you own a bagger, just hold onto it and make the performance changes that work for you. It doesn't make sense to buy a new Road Glide every two years unless you just don't like having money.
Suspension then bars then a cam/ or engine work
I’m seriously debating going to something like a low rider ST with improved suspension but also need to swap the bags. I can’t stand the asymmetrical look.
Doing a Bagger Fat Bob myself ,
If you're gonna make it go fast, you better have the brakes to slow it down. And those are very dependent on your suspension. Choose wisely 😉
The HD ST.... The guys that have built baggers know how unperformance that bagger is... A real build is better off buying a standard and building it, hands down. My 16 SG is done, its been a long list, time and alot $$ NOT spent on anything from HD throwawayparts... BUT its humbled a few crotchrocketeers in the twisties and always a smile from my tire guy when he pulls my tire off a bagger wheel with no chicken strips.
I'd prolly get a turbocharger into a blower for 150hp...then suspension, then brakes...lol... but first I need about $15000 to start upgrad8ng my '07 Ultra. I spent $1500 this winter and that was just to make it safe again. I think people either make too much $$$, or they just spend $$$ with no credit or priorities. Me thinks me is poor.
I remember when they were called Full Dresser. I just have to say I like them newer Bagger's but, it appears to be a money pit for the Motor Company.
That's what I always remember the touring bikes being referred to as dressers. Bagger is still kind of new term to me, but I honestly I would rather see the baggers than the choppers again from the early 2000's lol.
We used to call them “Geezer Glides”
GREAT VIDEO. I did the suspension first but its hard to get it to work with only 2 inch`s of travel. I have Pro Action front and Super Shox rear. it`s ok better then stock. tried Ledgend it was really bad for me. thinking about Ohlins cartridge what do you think? You put out some Great content Thanks.
Tires, suspension, brakes. Then find a big parking lot and go out there and do every maneuver; especially the ones that scare you.
Was the Cam Chain Tensioners addressed in 2006 ULTRA CLASSIC ? gary
my 02 flht great bike 100k+ honda F6B great for geezers 120 hp 126#tq out of the box bad news it shreads tires 46 mpg very low ground clearence had to wait for geezerdom to get 1
Very nice! Nothing wrong with that!
Great video
Motor and suspension
Was looking at WILBERS suspension, any input on that system?
The best out there from what I heard. @Milliondollarbogan put them on his RK and he tortures that bike! Not sure if they’re worth 3grand but if you’re budget allows it it ,I don’t think there’s anything better.