Some of you have been asking my opinion on the expansion - this video is more about what is in it and what is not in it because I get asked that a lot. My opinion is that the story was incredibly short and I was expecting and hoping for it to be longer. The story was not testable on the test server and I just finished playing it as it launched. I was also expecting for there to be less major issues / bugs on launch day. Many of the major issues have now been fixed but there is still a lot of bugs with the new systems. The ability to add a second combat style has been REALLY cool to me so far though and I have massively enjoyed that new feature.
I was hoping it would be longer considering it's an "expansion." I really hope it's at least timegated, because if it isn't then this isn't an expansion. Like more story released every Tuesday. I hated WoW doing that for Shadowlands, but I would prefer that over 1-2 hours of story. All in all, I rate it 6/10. Story is decent but underwhelming, the length is too short, the bugs tend to ruin things (a certain someone one shotting you with fall damage). Combat styles is cool but a few abilities (Force Choke, namely) not being available until 73 is a little ridiculous
As a founder player of the game I'm really sadden by how short the expansion is. I play a Sorc mainly. There really isn't any changes to the rotation of a them. Also the combat styles are so bugged. I thought when you flipped between the load-outs it was supposed to keep you action bars setup the way you locked them in. Mine remove all my skills and just randomly place skills everywhere, so I'm unable to flip my toons combat styles. On top of that who though let's use a Bright blue box on a full black background it's a headache to try and read.
The second combat style is probably the biggest PLUS for this expansion. Not only is it a cool addition but it's also great for RP and playing content that requires a different playstyle to truly enjoy. Heck, if this was all that was in the expansion (without the terrible new UI) I probably would have been happy, lol
@@jrmontry I do agree man, this expansion was rly bad. But it does save you action bars dude, it's just very much not intuitive, took me 30mins to figure out xD good luck!
We will, it's been like this for years now. Release 2hrs of content a couple times a year. We're never getting a kotfe/SoR again. Combat styles and shared tagging makes playing new toons refreshing.
@@mycelia_ow That doesn't sound sustanable though. I get they ain't got the funds for big stories to go on for long anymore like previous big expansions but if they don't they need to scale back the stories instead of these super small piece meal stories. One of these days it's going to just make people want to leave instead of wanting to come back/stay subbed for the next piece of the story.
@@mycelia_ow I don't know what onslaught is and I would wager most people don't care to do all the stories. I'm talking about class stories of course, and Republic stories are for the most part quite bland and stale goody good guy. The Jedi Knight story was kinda good, but I think the Empire has way more enjoyable stories, my favourite being Sith Warrior
Pros about the Expansion: - The Combat Styles (I can finally enjoy Sniper while using my Bounty Hunter). - The 5 new levels. - The Season Pass. - Manaan. Cons about the Expansion: - *The Restrictions on the Flashpoints Group Finder* (They relegated it to level 50, thus completely blocking out players below level 50. This also makes the game a slog to get through as now you have no easy way of leveling up. And it also locks out F2P players from experiencing all of the Flashpoints with groups.) - The slow and painful grind of just trying to slog through the class campaign. - The UI being painful to use. - The fact you could get easily lost in the abilities tabs. - The removal of the Drag function when inspecting weapons (How am I supposed to appreciate a weapon if I can't zoom in on it?) - The new character customization options (I'm sorry, they just aren't my cup of tea.) - The length of the new campaign (1.5 hours? In two years? There are small Indi-Devs who made entire games within the span of two years [Cry of Fear] and you made a small campaign in 2 years? Coming from Bioware, this is disappointing.) - Can't use both styles at the same time (Personal opinion: I wanted to use Lightning and Force Choke at the same time.) - Some of the visual bugs not being fixed that were there years ago (Like that floor in the hanger having an existential crisis whenever you look at it from a certain angle.) I probably missed out on some, but I simply didn't have time to search through every nook and cranny.
Now the Graul boss fight in the tunnel of the Secrets of the Enclave Flashpoint is bugged out too. You can't even win the boss fight and progress now because both of your campanions just vanish and go away shortly after you start the boss fight which leaves you with no chance of winning at all. It's flat out ridiculous tbh.
@@_KaraBlack_ Well it's a good thing I completed that Flashpoint before that bug was introduced, because then I'd be feeling the exact same emotions you're feeling. Edit: In fact. Let me reword this. If I was experiencing what you were experiencing, I'd be able to connect to that deeper. But I agree with you with the fact that that's annoying as hell.
@@vinirafael4205 That actually links in with the Flashpoints. Since the Class Campaigns are so long, and without that playlist to help you level up, the Class Campaigns become a slog to get through. And this is also a point I wanted to bring up. Now that F2P Players are locked out of the Flashpoints, by the time they hit level 50, they might as well just do Corellia and then do a different character.
This can't be called a proper expansion with 1.5 hours of content goes to show SWTOR is not a priority for bioware guess I'm unsubbing until they can add content that is worth a sub The new ui seems like a step back...
Yeah I might unsub as well until there is more new content worth playing and the bugs are worked out. The new UI stinks, I had several bugs and switching between combat styles is a pain because i have to rearrange my toolbars every time. Might be worth waiting a few months before continuing.
This is more of a systems update, especially the character creation and classes update with the combat styles. The fact there's a new story (even if it's short) is a bonus to keeping the game alive and thriving.
I was excited for this new expansion but when half my ability bar was gone I kind of went into panic mode, I'm not going to lie. I still don't know how I feel about some of my abilities being removed because as a Sith Marauder I had a particular style of playing. I guess I'll just have to get used to this new way.
Yeah that's the worst thing about any big fashion for TOR they always remove like half of the damn abilities. At least for me it feels like it takes forever to get a good rotation again
I just wish this game would allow add ons like WoW and ESO already. Would make the whole conversation around the UI null cause people could just pick and choose what they want
What I find interesting is that they extended the amount of time until release date and there were bugs. The amount of content is seriously disappointing. They must not be working with a decent budget and have a small development staff. The UI needs some work for sure. This was supposed to be 'the' expansion for their ten year anniversary. It didn't live up to the hype I have to say. Is there a release schedule for the story arc? If they said they had a 12 month release schedule with new content we're releasing each month or maybe every other month it wouldn't be too bad.
It sort makes some of my characters pointless now. I've done all of the stories, I've got both characters of both old advanced classes. Being able to switch to so many advanced classes on a whim, it means I've just got more duplicates.
Sounds like I have to re-sub at some point to play the better class story of the Jedi Knight with the more entertaining game play of the Jedi Shadow...as long as they haven't nerfed that into the ground.
Maybe for the next update, BioWare will let’s us choose what type of dark side degradation we have. Let me explain what I mean, let’s say your dark side 5 but don’t want the veins popping out, just click a button to hide veins. Let’s say you want the pale skin and red eyes but no visible veins, hit the button shoe dark side degradation on eyes and pale skin. Just a thought….
I having blast with this update I start all new characters made a Agent with mercenary ability. So I spy with all the right gear just that most them explode this fun having new characters with build I want
Thank you for the video, was going to resub today until you said the story is only one hour of content. And reading the comments I'll probably just wait till 7.1. Thought about subbing for galactic seasons if not for the story, but after the renown grind leading up to this expansion I don't have it in me. I also was REALLY looking forward to having weapons in the outfit designer, but I guess that's tuff.
There never said that they'd be removing the skills from the base classes and honestly the way they presented what they were going to do suggested that you'd keep the skills from the base class (jedi Knight, Trooper etc) and basically could pick from a wider range of advanced classes. I was looking forward to trying more of an even mix of force powers and lightsaber attacks, but they just threw the base class skills in the trash.
I am a preferred member but I can no longer make a level 60 character and play fallen empire etc? It is only showing this dlc and will only let me play the regular game now
And despite being the largest UA-cam influencer for this game, Swtorista will refuse to criticize the things wrong with the game atm. Good on you for the sponsorship, but it comes at the cost of us players who have no real voice.
Not gonna lie. This felt like more of a patch than an expansion. After waiting for three years, this was beyond disappointing. Think they blew their budget on the cinematic trailer lol
To he fair there cinematic attracted a lot of attention, everyone loves them. Seeing as the games population is kinda low they need to find ways to attract more people to play the game to make more money. I think another cinematic was the best way to go about that. Especially if you want this game to last as long as possible.
"I've been playing the Republic story and... It's alright?" A very kind description, that's my experience with the empire side too. Although I'd be less tactful and say grindy and non-engaging. I think SWTOR has entry planet side quests with more story depth. I really hope later content has more to it because I wouldn't even call this an expansion, just a bunch of system overhauls to the main game structure. That obviously took all the developer time away and story was just tacked on ot officially call it an Expansion.
I was very underwhelmed, the whole combat styles thing is pretty nice but I mostly cared about the continuation of story. I felt like just when it started to get intresting with malgus it ended. I was hoping this expansion would at least be longer then onslaught and maybe as long as the rise of the hutt cartel or the shadow of revan. Not to mention all the bugs and the terrible performance when on manaan
yea, it was very underwhelming especially being the 10th anniversary ""expansion"", manaan felt a like a filler arc and the only sith part of the legacy of the sith was 1 fp and the end was meh at least for me, and they didnt let us change sides and Im beging to think they never will, quite sad seeing swtor like that since its the game I have more hours in and one of my favorite games ever. The new cinematic character had less than 1 min screentime and no dialogue. That was kinda the last straw for me, sure I will still play when they drop new story content but Im done expecting anything for the newer content added, 7.1 .2 .3 and 8.0 will probably as underwhelming as 7.0, onslaught seems huge compared to it
In my completely honest opinion: This expansion is incredibly underwhelming. I wasn't going into it with my expectations on the floor, yet somehow this appears to have managed to come out in the crawl space. I've been playing *continuously* since the Beta back in 2011, and if we don't managed to get a steady flow on content throughout the expansion year, it might just kill my interest in the game all together. 1 Daily Area (that isn't even a daily area yet) and 1 Flashpoint with 4 Story Missions is not a DLC. The Dread War had more content, and it was a bridge expansion between RotHC and Forged Alliances, the set up to SoR (which, in itself, had more content than Legacy of the Sith). My Main area of interest in the game is the story, so I'll elaborate on it further *[Story Spoilers Ahead for the Entire Game]* The Story for me hasn't been good since KOTFE, and hasn't felt like SWTOR since Ziost. To me, pretty much everything from War on Iokath onward has been incredibly boring, predictable, and sometimes outright uninteresting, but I think Manaan's Story here really takes the cake. Legacy of the Sith was heavily marketed as the story of Darth Malgus and what he's been building up to and planning since his return in Jedi Under Siege, and Manaan's Story has literally nothing to do with it whatsoever. It feels like Bioware saw that people wanted a Manaan expansion, and prioritised doing that over creating a story relevant to what they had been building up. So, ignoring the fact that Manaan's 4 Missions were completely unrelated, that leave the actual story of Legacy of the Sith being told in 1 Flashpoint. This, to me, is borderline unacceptable. I will hold back on giving a final opinion until I see what Bioware releases later down the line, but as it stands this DLC has not been even remotely worth the Subscription I've held for 10 Years. As the story goes in the Ruins of Nul flashpoint, we go to Nul, track down Malgus, and then capture him. This is not good. While the flashpoint itself was good, with interesting mechanics and boss fights, I am speaking from purely a story standpoint. They've been building up something with Malgus since he broke free. He stole relics on Dantooine (which was never elaborated on), and then went to Nul to do something (Never elaborated on, although this does look like it'll be picked up later), and then got immediately captured. This does not feel like a "first step" into a greater story for the year, it feels like another mid-expansion mission, like the Secrets of the Enclave or Echoes of Oblivion. Other Side Notes I Have *[Story Spoilers Ahead for the Entire Game]* -The Voice acting felt off. I don't know if this was because it was recorded at home, or because the actors don't care, but half the dialogue (on both Imp and Rep stories) felt wooden and boring. -My Character never felt like they were doing anything for any real reason. People were just telling us to "Go repair the defenses" or "Go break the Ion Cannon" and we did it without getting a say, and then we get told to "Go capture Malgus" and we just go and do it. It is not interesting for my character to just be told that we have to do something, going and doing it with zero complications, and then returning. -There were lots of bugs at launch, but this is to be expected, I don't have issue with this. -All I could think about during the Imperial Story was how Obi Wan Kenobi was giving me orders. (Not a complaint) -The story really didn't feel very clear. For Example: During the Imperial Story, Anri acts super mad that she got lied to by the Imperial Wan Kenobi. It wasn't really made clear what exactly he had done that was so wrong. I don't know whether the dialogue was poor so I missed it, or whether it was during the awful line delivery by Darth Moron that I could barely even understand, but I must have missed it entirely. Conclusion/Summary: -Massive Dissapointment. If there isn't a steady flow of content over the year, then my 10 Years of Continuous Loyalty to the game might fade entirely. *2/10*
The hate is flowing hard in gen chat, which makes me cringe and I wanted to push back - but I have to agree with your assessment. I had low expectations but am very underwhelmed, I have cancelled my sub and have 19 days left on it til renewal so should be able to get all my characters to 80 without a prob so I can at least run some content in F2P.
@@jasonley4809 I absolutely agree. SWTOR has never had DLCs released on a schedule, but they wanted something for the 10 Year Anniversary. I would gladly have waited for this to come out around July-September Time and get an ACTUAL expansion than for the 10 Year Anniversary DLC to be 4 Missions and 1 Flashpoint.
yea I loved the dread war arc. I wish they would come out with a solo version of the ops kind of like they did with Temple in 3.0, but I know that would be damn near impossible at this point.
I wish could be positive about the """""expansion""""" but it is very difficult for me. 7.0 is such a letdown. The only positive is the advanced class I guess...
I agree. For me as a casual player always anything in this "upgrade" is nothing positive. This is a downgrade. Remember the buffs. Previously those could be applied to other players. Now - none. Instead of improving playing along and be nice, now we are restricted to high-level flashpoints and other stuff (that's not for me, guys). I'm really thinking on cancelling my subscription. And checking on the forums I already discovered that I'm not alone with my opinions.
@@mflax4331 personally I find that FPs have been downgraded in difficulty. especially vet. I managed to solo some yesterday without much difficulty. I could hardly do that before 7.0. Not giving BioWare any leeway for the atrocious update but that seems to have changed.
I’ve been playing this game since launch and have seen many changes throughout the years, but I must say, that 7.0 was really disappointing. Although I appreciate and love the new combat system, I must say that removing certain abilities just felt like a step backwards? Especially when we consider that the skill tree from before was perfectly fine and allowed many Rage Damage Players (such as Lighting Sorcerers or Snipers) to move about in PvP or Dungeons. With the new update I’ve lost a good amount of abilities and must now adapt, which is fine, but bothersome nonetheless. Secondly the new UI looks terrible, as if the game was still in an early Beta. There’s no use in changing things that no one ever complained about, especially when it comes to character customization. For instance, I cannot for the life of me see the option to adapt the colors of my companions armor, maybe I haven’t looked close enough, but it seems silly to hide or remove such things. (Not to mention the many bugs that come with it) For an expansion that has been delayed for almost two months to come out and look like that? It mirrors that the story wasn’t yet finished. Edit: It also goes to show, that adding content that is mostly based on flashpoints, lacks a certain charm. Knights of the Eternal Empire did it right, with more story and less grinding. Of course, the player must have a way to get to level 80, however fighting through Story Flashpoints expansion after expansion is tiresome and gets boring after a short while. (This however, is my personal opinion)
YES! A step backwards is a great way to describe how it felt. When I logged on with the juggernaut class I was expecting a nerf on damage, not a complete removal of half of my abilities. Because I play the juggernaut class people often think I am biased towards a nerf, but that is totally wrong, I really thought it needed one. But they went too far, way way way too far.
Agreed! But my biggest Pain is the new Character Creator. NO Hangar Bay and once you start this char...not even the Text Screen. Bye Bye Star Wars Magic. I mean Bugs can be fixxed, Storys expanded, but if the Players Passion suffers... The Player turns to other Games. I dont want SWtoR to die, but this fear is growing.
whats there to love about the combat system? its not like you can mix or anything, its just picking another class. My Sith Juggernaut should he decide to go "inquisitor", how does he becomes an instant "squishy pussy" ? I hate it. Havent decided a second class, nor will i decide. If i wanted to play Inquisitor, i would have rolled as such... I could see it working for non force users tho. Maybe something like a Bounty Hunter with Commando Rifle.... Does not make sence for existing characters... My Sith Juggernaut can take a pounding, he doesnt instantly goes squishy mode lightning.. it doesnt make sence ..... TLDR; Doesnt make sence that my Juggernaut goes instant pussy dress shooting lightning forgetting all about lightsaber combat and being squishy.
EA is known for doing things that make absolutely no sense. Its almost like they WANT to destroy games and use them as tax write offs or something. They did the same stuff to Dark Age of Camelot and managed to tank that game in under 6 months with pandering to the lazy and CC warriors. In the end they made it so people didn't even have to play their toons to reach max levels. The game died when people started showing up at the biggest raid with toons that would be the main healers or tanks and not even have their hot bars set up let alone know how to use the toon effectively. I feel they will do the same to SWTOR in the not too distant future.
I dunno. While it's universally agreed that the new UI is a step back, I find the worst change was removing the starship hangar character creation. I liked it! Wish they would give us better camera options already. It's why Black Desert is so popular, I feel. Love being able to get great shots of my characters!
Yeah the new gearing system is super confusing... especially the system that is replacing the set bonuses. The renown system and the 6.0 gearing imo was fine. I loved the gear attached set bonuses, it was a bit grindy but once you got the gist of it, it was fine. From what I've seen so far, the new lvl 80 gearing has no more moddable stuff... which is meh... But I could be wrong.
The new gearing system is good and mostly faster than previous crate systems. It removes rng completely and everyone can have 320 gear pretty much when they hit level 80. It's a similar gearing system used back in 2.0
The whole update was piss poor. I told people this would happen. I warned about this. But I was called “entitled”, “crybaby”, “hater” “bitching”. The “Expansion” was utter trash. The Story was just dumb. I’d rather watch The Last Jedi. The Manaan part, had NOTHING to do with legacy of the Sith. If anything that should’ve been in ONSLAUGHT. Elom was just the flashpoint, it was too short and the story now leads to nothing. The “New” UI feels outdated clanky and old despite it supposedly being new. So what the hell were they actually doing those two months? I tell you what. Absolutely nothing. They were on vacation, just got back to the office and they had a quota plus a final deadline to meet or else the higher ups wouldn’t be happy. the devs are 60 days late AND HAVE A HALFASSED PRODUCT TO SHOW FOR THEIR TARDINESS. Would I give my employees 60 more days for them too still screw it up time and again and still keep them? Nope. Replacements and firings need to start happen to set an example. We the people pay good hard earned money and all we ask is decent content not riddled with bugs.
I really hope in future updates they add a lot more story. Also what is this new UI? When I was on the playtest server I thought it was an early build of the UI but wow it just looks that it was put together quickly or the UI team is very inexperienced.
@@burnoutmaker2133 I completely agree, its almost disgusting to look at. Most companies that try to update an older game always try to make a "newer" or "more modern" UI so that new players can have a more present experience. It almost always ruins a game, same thing happened to siege in my opinion.
There is no UI team in this Bioware studio. This wasn´t done by any good UI/UX designer at all. I don´t believe they hire any, because this would have none of professional designer approve. They did it by themselves, by what they think "it is okay" and then some programmer make it real according that with no knowledge about UI/UX. And voala..
I'm not gonna lie. I'm pretty disappointed. I've been a player since beta and I want new story content. The mechanic overhauls were necessary. 100%. But I'm confused as to how you delayed the expansion by a couple months, advertise it as one of the biggest expansions to hit, then a couple hour campaign at most? Who is this for exactly? If you just wanted to overhaul under the hood, you shouldve advertised it as such. I subbed for this expansion and done with the story already. Wasn't worth my 15 dollars. Which is rough. They either need to make an entirely new game (so swtor 2) or not release any "expansions" for a couple years and overhaul the engine completely. Because needing delay an expansion that didn't have much content in it tells me you guys are forcing an old engine to do new tricks and it's an issue. Just make a new engine with a new game or take the time to overhaul the current one completely. Please don't tell me I'm getting one thing, then release crumbs. I paid 15 dollars for some mechanic changes... that's rough dawg 😂 so this should DEFINITELY be a learning experience
I felt heartbroken when I first logged into 7.0. I've played for 9 years, and have loved the game. My favourite game of all time, but it's time to leave. They have ruined this masterpiece with this update. A huge disappointment.
im surprised they even got away with calling this an expansion. its a content patch at best. This is incredibly underwhelming not only for me, but a vast majority of their subscribers. What a spit in the face by bioware.
It's sad to work on something what's not even a big deal.. like the inventory's look or the character sheet.. What's positive : You can play as a sniper in a trooper story, or you can be a dark side smuggler.. etc. I think it's really good! But I would've been happy with a few new species, more character customization, more armors, mounts with better details, or few new planet, or something what would've been the real deal for the 10th year anniversary.
@@Amanda_Hertz Sadly, they don´t care about Star Wars hype by movies and TV shows. No advantage of that at all. No FB/IG ads, nothing. They have no marketing/promo for swtor. Even though Star Wars are on more hype, than Warcraft these times.
Here's the deal after working in IT for 30 years. They stood up this environment (servers, switches, firewalls, disaster recovery) 11 years ago on what was at the time current hardware. They all, devs, it support staff, project managers, directors got to work on a project that was Star Wars related and it was like they were kids in a candy store. Ten years later they probably have done one major hardware refresh to support the platform. And are now faced with what do we do now? We don't intend to place a lot of development focus on this game long term. So, they string it along because it still brings in revenue. They have a small staff to develop and test. They rely mostly on the PTS to do the testing and then rush to fix broken code afterwards. They don't care any longer about the customer subscriber base because most of the revenue comes from the in game store. The people still working on the project after 10 years are no longer enthusiastic working on the game because the honeymoon period is way over. For them this is just a paycheck to pay the mortgage. They probably should turn out the lights on the game and focus on new projects hopefully Star Wars related. Probably the reason they don't is they are developing some game to replace it and every time they look at amount of revenue it draws still they just can't do it.
And eeeeverybody loves it, and nobody is complaining about anything! ;) That said, I do hope they fix most of the bugs on the... dire... bug list. And that UI just... has to go.
They very worst ones, including euro players and keybinds resetting they seem to have fixed so I'm happy about that, but still lots to cross off the list.
@@Swtorista Yeah, I was just generally commenting on the slight *hissy fit* that the community has right now and the fact that the bug list actually made one of my students whistle at work when they spied me looking through it during class and asked what it was.
@@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa Most likely they tried fixing the bug with weapon customization that's pushed that feature back to 7.1 and there might have been more issues than thought when it comes to the flashpoint.
The combat styles was all hype, this isn’t true multi classing. All it does is save you from rolling an alt, or logging out and back in on an alt. I can’t be a Jedi shadow with duel sabers, etc. All I’m doing is changing my Jedi shadow into a sentinel and back.
@@Kalbuir66 I totally agree! Or, if you've ever played Star Wars Galaxies back in the early 2000's, that game allowed you to truly multi class, I.E.: Be an Entertainer who was also a Doctor who was also a Smuggler. Or, a Droid Engineer who was a Riflemen, who was also a Create Handler. What I had envisioned for THIS game when I heard duel combat styles was be able to mix and match abilities at certain levels and be able to chose any weapon to use as long as I had an ability that matched.
Bioware had an opportunity to really pull in a Star Wars fan base that is DYING for a good, doesn't even have to be great, MMO experience. It can be done (e.g., FFXIV). This is a serious set back as many players that were away for a longtime were interested... were.
Having recently come back to the game I have to say I'm really enjoying the content you're making and the way you're explaining things. It helps me get back in the swing of things super fast and understand all of the new systems. Thanks Swtorista!
I have to say, i respect the devs for doing their best during a very trying period. However, this expansion started very rough and the story was incredibly short. I'm expecting them to add on to it but so far i'm sadly disappointed - especially when the trailer was so awesome. I'm hoping for the best. No idea why they decided to nerf companion healing once again tho... Didn't go down well last time either.
The cinematic had more content than the "expansion". I wish people would let this game die already. Waiting a year for an hour of content is a damn joke.
Nearly no story, pruning abilities for no reason, needlessly complicating gearing, and the new UI unironicly hurts my eyes. That and dozens of new bugs. Never thought I'd say that, but this "expansion" made me unsubscribe before I finished the story
My BH lost several abilities as well. As a long time player this entire so called "expansion" is a step backwards. I might unsub for a few months then come back and see how it's been updated.
Calling this absolute Shitshow an "Expansion" is a disgrace. 2 hours of Content and even with a two Months delay it is buggy as hell, Skills are missing others are not even working properly any more and today they managed to mess up the Keyboard layouts? The audacity of this Company is truly on another level. Trailer was the best thing about this "Addon". Emergency Patch needed, seems like we are missing ~20h of Content
I was very un impressed with the new update. So many bugs and when it came to killing darth malgus I let my companion kill him because he would bug out and kick me out of the fight. I am thinking of ending my sub after 9 years. Very upset with this. I could go on but no reason to kick a dead horse.
This expansion was just garbage. The trailer had more story than the expansion. Nothing new to explore, no new planet, not even dailies yet, just a massive reset of gear and a terrible new gear grind on old content. This was absolute trash. I don't see how anyone can defend it.
It took me longer to figure out combat styles and where all the abilities on my bars had gone, and to get my toon back into a playable state than it did to play through the expansion. This is very, very, disappointing. I can appreciate that a lot of work has gone into the UI rework (which I don't like much of, but let me get used to it), and into combat styles, and so on, but to play through all the story content in an hour? I'm asking myself why bother, at this point.
Exactly how I felt. Logged in, bunch of my abilities were gone. Spent a bunch of time figuring out the new character sheet (like you took a while to figure out were the details were). I was a F2P player and just got back into the game and decided to try a 2m sub as I was starting to get into it. Still have to figure out my character tree but at this point I'm just playing and trying to figure out what works. I'm thinking of just starting a new character to figure it all out from level 1 instead of changing everything at an advanced level.
I haven't gotten far into the expansion. I'm confused to this secondary form thing, but so far the biggest criticism I have is about these expansions is the lack of companion choice. We had the option to romance and marry Koth, Lana, or Theron but we haven't been able to use them as a companion since Fallen Empire. We keep being forced to use Arm or someone else. If I had a suggestion to BioWare, allow us to use the companion of our choice. If we need a tag along for story (for example Arn or Tau) then fine, the player has two NPCs traveling with him or her (companion of choice and the plot necessary NPC). With three characters total will that make things easy? Of course. So what. We're playing the story part of the expansion. That's not for a challenge, that's for the story. So who cares if it's easy getting rid of stupid adds. Besides, canonically speaking, I shouldn't have to be doing this much slashing on a regular person shooting a blaster when I have a lightsaber, so if we melt through adds, I think that's okay. It kind of helps canonical consistency. Make the level bosses dynamically stronger based on whether the player has a companion and plot NPC or just the plot NPC serving both roles. The point is, this is story mode. It's for the story, not a challenge. End game is for challenge, just let me play with the companion of my choice. My influence is 50 for a damn reason and having my WIFE Lana with a 50 influence does nothing for me if.... She's. Not. With. Me. Besides, solo story mode flashpoints we have a companion AND the support droid. AND THAT'S A FLASHPOINT MEANT TO BE A CHALLENGE!!! The expansion story isn't a challenge. So who cares if we run with our chosen companion and a story NPC. It obviously isn't something new. I'm not inventing anything here. 8ts being done already with story mode flashpoints. 🤷
1)Watch awesome story 2)Run to annoyingly easy task 3)Stand there and take hits from enemy, occasionally dodge big boss attack with ample time to move out of the big circle on ground. Loot dead guys 4)Run back to turn quest in 5)Repeat “So I’m just doing non-immersive, stupidly easy a toddler could do it.. grindy quests, in between chunks of awesome storyline?? Why don’t I just watch the story anywhere on UA-cam, and that way I don’t have to subject myself to wasting countless hours of time on abysmally outdated concepts like tab targeting and gaining more gear… to GAIN MORE GEAR?” Once I learned PvP was all but dead in this game. That was a deal breaker man.. “I’m just watching this online if I want to experience it” get the cool stories in a quarter of the amount of time it takes. And completely avoid the same game we’ve all played countless times for the last 20 years. I ALMOST played this game. I wanted to love it, I desperately tried to love it.. but in no way could I ever subject myself to this… outdated concept on a piece of software that is going to die *long* before it ever goes in the opposite direction. I played a good 6 hours, was loving the storyline.. but that was LITERALLY it. As a gamer of 26 years, I noticed how much of a WoW ripoff this was at its core, outside the amazing storylines.. and it just turned into a cycle of boredom in between awesome story. It’s so BLAH. This system was fun back in 2004-2010 man. Cmon that was 12-18 years ago.. there’s no soul in such a staple part of this game.. because there’s no challenge, there is *no* immersion. At no point during those hours that I played did I once ever feel threatened, challenged, or anything.. not even close. The game pampers you, so it can obviously spoon feed you the story ASAP.. because that’s what people want here. If that’s the case, then why not just add more cutscenes rather then JUST when you’re accepting quests? Give the NPC’s life, spice the game up a bit?? It’s so linear, and I felt like I was being corralled into playing a certain type of way.. in a game that is a huge open world. Boring, and thoughtless. 16 years ago, you could’ve tricked people with a big open world.. that in all reality was just one big linear adventure. That tricks people into believing there’s this huge amount of things to do.. with the mere size of the maps. Those days are long since past. It’s just an annoying grind simulator, with outdated systems such as tab targeting, linear progression, and lifeless NPC grinding. With no immersion with your character whatsoever... Where you stand there and take hits from enemies, rather then dodge them or have to aim at them.. the “game” just does that for you. There is no satisfaction in this for such a large portion of humanity, anymore. This is a dying game, and that is why this update was small. The money simply is not in this concept anymore. And it probably took 2 whole years to push out, because of obvious fund cuts on their team.. on their outdated concept. Conclusion: This is an annoying grind simulator, with bits and pieces of good storyline in between.
This expansion has been a complete and utter waste of money. I wholeheartedly regret subbing for it. With everything coming it seemed really cool, but now that it's out, I'm disgusted with how disappointing and boring it is.
You don't get a choice in this expansion, I did both sides of it and just feels very hastily put together. The story lines or options you get do not let you do anything other then force progression. This is the worst expansion ever. They need to hire better people who can keep track of the previous story lines and make it where you do get to make the choices that will change your story. This expansion has a F rating now. I would just un-sub from the game and be done with it, not worth the money or time. The only good thing is the trailer that's it.
Just throwing this out because I just noticed; Shae Vizla is available for purchase from the Galactic Seasons vendor for 5 Galactic Seasons Token! If you haven't gotten her and want her you will get enough, as a subscriber, to buy both her and a penthouse so keep that in mind!
While I don't mind neither the shorter story nor the UI and gameplay changes, and I actually really like the multi-class setup thing, I must say the equipment changes really killed the fun for me. Not only most of the things I've been grinding towards are now utterly useless, I feel like we've lost a great deal of customization options with mods and augments being pretty much obsolete:/
I had fun, but the Malgus fight is bugged, he can insta kill you with an AOE attack that is nearly impossible to dodge so I had to take a break because he killed me 8 straight times
I just wish the weapons that you get dropped were modded, so you can remove them and put the mods into your current weapons because the basic in game weapons are ugly as F. They also need a separate gear page for your second ability loadout. Having to have your gear in your inventory is stupid. At least have a mini inventory system that can store gear while you are on your other loadout. Like a lot of other MMO's do. Those are my two major issues with the changes so far. I wish the expansion was longer, but as they added in and changed several game systems as well I'm OK with it. The new UI look doesn't look like "Steampunk Star Wars", which is basically what SWTOR is, but some minor changes would fix that.
Disgraceful to call it an expansion. I'd have actually preferred if there was no cinematic because it's a slap in the face to people who pay a sub for this game that's that's where the money went rather than gameplay.
When one of the devs said that they’re maybe more combat styles in the future, I instantly thought of hybrid combat styles. I mean a commando/sniper, or mercenary/sniper, or a guardian/shadow. They’re could finally be a ranged dps that uses a blaster rifle, or a possible paladin style or class where the can tank or heal
@@Kalbuir66 they never promised that though, what Bioware usually does is announce something without going into detail and the community goes crazy imagining what we're going to get
I can honestly say this is my last playing this game, I subbed for 6 months in Jan in preparation for this “expansion” expecting more story than what was givin
I haven't been able to play the new story yet because I never did Onslaught. I thought I was done after taking the Eternal Throne, when nothing came up in my quest log. Then in the course of trying to figure out how to start Legacy of the Sith, I found out that I should have gone to the mission terminal in my ship to start Onslaught. LOL I hadn't set foot on my ship in like, years.
Maybe but the games lifespan would be shorter. The cinematic was there attempt to make the game more popular as not many people play it. The more people that play, the longer the game lasts.
I was curious to see if I should return to SWTOR and see what 7.0 has brought. Judging by the comments here it looks like i don't need to bother. I guess they spent all the money on the Cinematic?
A new digital edition in Russia costs 2500 rubles...... a month of subscription and 2400 coins 1000rubles... i.e. 1500 rubles (price AAA games at a discount) for a sword, pet and transport... well, extremely bad offer
I find it un-motivating. They took a lot from us. I feel they really weakened you just so you can have another class. Very weak trade IMO. 1. my marauder tactical that built fury with ataru strikes was just stolen and not compensated (1 million credit + 1000 tech frag) just gone. 2. Ill take all my old attacks over their new custom class design path. (Carnage used to fill the hot keys, now i have several empty spaces since i have to puck between choke, mad dash, and others. 3. Command rank gone meaning once level 80 is hit, there’s no incentive to play anything else since i cant grow anymore. And you can hit lv. 80 before even. Ch.3 story arch.
Some of you have been asking my opinion on the expansion - this video is more about what is in it and what is not in it because I get asked that a lot. My opinion is that the story was incredibly short and I was expecting and hoping for it to be longer. The story was not testable on the test server and I just finished playing it as it launched. I was also expecting for there to be less major issues / bugs on launch day. Many of the major issues have now been fixed but there is still a lot of bugs with the new systems. The ability to add a second combat style has been REALLY cool to me so far though and I have massively enjoyed that new feature.
I was hoping it would be longer considering it's an "expansion." I really hope it's at least timegated, because if it isn't then this isn't an expansion. Like more story released every Tuesday. I hated WoW doing that for Shadowlands, but I would prefer that over 1-2 hours of story. All in all, I rate it 6/10. Story is decent but underwhelming, the length is too short, the bugs tend to ruin things (a certain someone one shotting you with fall damage). Combat styles is cool but a few abilities (Force Choke, namely) not being available until 73 is a little ridiculous
@@goo-sama its a joke its a disaster and this for a AAA team is so bad it makes SL look like cake
As a founder player of the game I'm really sadden by how short the expansion is. I play a Sorc mainly. There really isn't any changes to the rotation of a them. Also the combat styles are so bugged. I thought when you flipped between the load-outs it was supposed to keep you action bars setup the way you locked them in. Mine remove all my skills and just randomly place skills everywhere, so I'm unable to flip my toons combat styles. On top of that who though let's use a Bright blue box on a full black background it's a headache to try and read.
The second combat style is probably the biggest PLUS for this expansion. Not only is it a cool addition but it's also great for RP and playing content that requires a different playstyle to truly enjoy. Heck, if this was all that was in the expansion (without the terrible new UI) I probably would have been happy, lol
@@jrmontry I do agree man, this expansion was rly bad. But it does save you action bars dude, it's just very much not intuitive, took me 30mins to figure out xD good luck!
Hoping we're getting more story updates. Combat styles is cool and all, but the story is why I stick around.
We will, it's been like this for years now. Release 2hrs of content a couple times a year. We're never getting a kotfe/SoR again. Combat styles and shared tagging makes playing new toons refreshing.
@@mycelia_ow I honestly don't care about combat styles, it's whatever. Most people play this game for the story and then they leave.
@@mycelia_ow That doesn't sound sustanable though. I get they ain't got the funds for big stories to go on for long anymore like previous big expansions but if they don't they need to scale back the stories instead of these super small piece meal stories. One of these days it's going to just make people want to leave instead of wanting to come back/stay subbed for the next piece of the story.
@@ararune3734 though ask yourself how many people actually got to onslaught with all 8 classes? This is still and rpg :)
@@mycelia_ow I don't know what onslaught is and I would wager most people don't care to do all the stories. I'm talking about class stories of course, and Republic stories are for the most part quite bland and stale goody good guy. The Jedi Knight story was kinda good, but I think the Empire has way more enjoyable stories, my favourite being Sith Warrior
Pros about the Expansion:
- The Combat Styles (I can finally enjoy Sniper while using my Bounty Hunter).
- The 5 new levels.
- The Season Pass.
- Manaan.
Cons about the Expansion:
- *The Restrictions on the Flashpoints Group Finder* (They relegated it to level 50, thus completely blocking out players below level 50. This also makes the game a slog to get through as now you have no easy way of leveling up. And it also locks out F2P players from experiencing all of the Flashpoints with groups.)
- The slow and painful grind of just trying to slog through the class campaign.
- The UI being painful to use.
- The fact you could get easily lost in the abilities tabs.
- The removal of the Drag function when inspecting weapons (How am I supposed to appreciate a weapon if I can't zoom in on it?)
- The new character customization options (I'm sorry, they just aren't my cup of tea.)
- The length of the new campaign (1.5 hours? In two years? There are small Indi-Devs who made entire games within the span of two years [Cry of Fear] and you made a small campaign in 2 years? Coming from Bioware, this is disappointing.)
- Can't use both styles at the same time (Personal opinion: I wanted to use Lightning and Force Choke at the same time.)
- Some of the visual bugs not being fixed that were there years ago (Like that floor in the hanger having an existential crisis whenever you look at it from a certain angle.)
I probably missed out on some, but I simply didn't have time to search through every nook and cranny.
Now the Graul boss fight in the tunnel of the Secrets of the Enclave Flashpoint is bugged out too. You can't even win the boss fight and progress now because both of your campanions just vanish and go away shortly after you start the boss fight which leaves you with no chance of winning at all. It's flat out ridiculous tbh.
@@_KaraBlack_ Well it's a good thing I completed that Flashpoint before that bug was introduced, because then I'd be feeling the exact same emotions you're feeling.
Edit: In fact. Let me reword this. If I was experiencing what you were experiencing, I'd be able to connect to that deeper. But I agree with you with the fact that that's annoying as hell.
''The slow and painful grind of just trying to slog through the class campaign.''
What do you mean by that?
@@vinirafael4205 That actually links in with the Flashpoints. Since the Class Campaigns are so long, and without that playlist to help you level up, the Class Campaigns become a slog to get through. And this is also a point I wanted to bring up. Now that F2P Players are locked out of the Flashpoints, by the time they hit level 50, they might as well just do Corellia and then do a different character.
So glad they spent their entire budget on a cinematic!
This can't be called a proper expansion with 1.5 hours of content goes to show SWTOR is not a priority for bioware guess I'm unsubbing until they can add content that is worth a sub
The new ui seems like a step back...
Yeah I might unsub as well until there is more new content worth playing and the bugs are worked out. The new UI stinks, I had several bugs and switching between combat styles is a pain because i have to rearrange my toolbars every time.
Might be worth waiting a few months before continuing.
This is more of a systems update, especially the character creation and classes update with the combat styles. The fact there's a new story (even if it's short) is a bonus to keeping the game alive and thriving.
my Lots experiance: server shutting down in 10 minutes for maintenance.
I was thinking of coming back recently but looks like there’s lots and lots of problems with this release so I’ll hold off until they fix it
I was excited for this new expansion but when half my ability bar was gone I kind of went into panic mode, I'm not going to lie. I still don't know how I feel about some of my abilities being removed because as a Sith Marauder I had a particular style of playing. I guess I'll just have to get used to this new way.
Yeah that's the worst thing about any big fashion for TOR they always remove like half of the damn abilities. At least for me it feels like it takes forever to get a good rotation again
I never had so many buggs in a dlc like this in 1+ hour gameplay and the water planet was pretty shit to be true in my opinion
I just wish this game would allow add ons like WoW and ESO already. Would make the whole conversation around the UI null cause people could just pick and choose what they want
Legacy of disappointment
What I find interesting is that they extended the amount of time until release date and there were bugs. The amount of content is seriously disappointing. They must not be working with a decent budget and have a small development staff. The UI needs some work for sure. This was supposed to be 'the' expansion for their ten year anniversary. It didn't live up to the hype I have to say. Is there a release schedule for the story arc? If they said they had a 12 month release schedule with new content we're releasing each month or maybe every other month it wouldn't be too bad.
It sort makes some of my characters pointless now. I've done all of the stories, I've got both characters of both old advanced classes. Being able to switch to so many advanced classes on a whim, it means I've just got more duplicates.
Sounds like I have to re-sub at some point to play the better class story of the Jedi Knight with the more entertaining game play of the Jedi Shadow...as long as they haven't nerfed that into the ground.
Amazing !!
Maybe for the next update, BioWare will let’s us choose what type of dark side degradation we have. Let me explain what I mean, let’s say your dark side 5 but don’t want the veins popping out, just click a button to hide veins. Let’s say you want the pale skin and red eyes but no visible veins, hit the button shoe dark side degradation on eyes and pale skin. Just a thought….
This update feels like a downgrade
I having blast with this update I start all new characters made a Agent with mercenary ability. So I spy with all the right gear just that most them explode this fun having new characters with build I want
Thank you for the video, was going to resub today until you said the story is only one hour of content. And reading the comments I'll probably just wait till 7.1. Thought about subbing for galactic seasons if not for the story, but after the renown grind leading up to this expansion I don't have it in me. I also was REALLY looking forward to having weapons in the outfit designer, but I guess that's tuff.
There never said that they'd be removing the skills from the base classes and honestly the way they presented what they were going to do suggested that you'd keep the skills from the base class (jedi Knight, Trooper etc) and basically could pick from a wider range of advanced classes. I was looking forward to trying more of an even mix of force powers and lightsaber attacks, but they just threw the base class skills in the trash.
They never stated, that you could mix ant match abilities like that.
@@Thareldis I didn't say they stated it. I said "the way they presented what they were going to do suggested" it.
The big question is, did they fix the lag on the server side
Woh woh woh, sooooo I can now have my Merc also be a Juggernaught?!
Not in the same time.
I don't know about this update I feel like they've done changes that weren't needed and just doing it for the sake of it.
We all need free camera option. This might change UI, even the gameplay BUT IT WILL EARN BILLIONS OF PLAYERS!
I don't think so
@@nighthare19 yea I don't believe what I said as well but it will make the game more playable
I am a preferred member but I can no longer make a level 60 character and play fallen empire etc? It is only showing this dlc and will only let me play the regular game now
I havent played in a while, i just want to know 1 thing.
Have they fixed the cloak clipping? it was always the mayor problem i had with the game.
no
The trailers are so deceptively high quality and badass then you see the ps2 era graphics and lose all motivation to play
And despite being the largest UA-cam influencer for this game, Swtorista will refuse to criticize the things wrong with the game atm. Good on you for the sponsorship, but it comes at the cost of us players who have no real voice.
The new cinematic has its moments, but it's clearly not as high quality as previous ones.
2 years in development. 1.5 hours of content. Lots of bugs. bravo!
Yeah this can't even be called a proper expansion
Happy 10 years!
I am just happy we are still getting content. Also they probably spent all the money on the cinematic, lol.
Not sure what people expect for free.
@@jefferydaniels6717 It’s not free, it’s for subscribers who have pay 15 dollars a month
Not gonna lie. This felt like more of a patch than an expansion. After waiting for three years, this was beyond disappointing. Think they blew their budget on the cinematic trailer lol
Absolutely. I’m very disappointed
To he fair there cinematic attracted a lot of attention, everyone loves them. Seeing as the games population is kinda low they need to find ways to attract more people to play the game to make more money. I think another cinematic was the best way to go about that. Especially if you want this game to last as long as possible.
I think they are still feeling the brain drain after the belly flop that was Anthem.
"I've been playing the Republic story and... It's alright?"
A very kind description, that's my experience with the empire side too. Although I'd be less tactful and say grindy and non-engaging. I think SWTOR has entry planet side quests with more story depth.
I really hope later content has more to it because I wouldn't even call this an expansion, just a bunch of system overhauls to the main game structure. That obviously took all the developer time away and story was just tacked on ot officially call it an Expansion.
I was very underwhelmed, the whole combat styles thing is pretty nice but I mostly cared about the continuation of story. I felt like just when it started to get intresting with malgus it ended. I was hoping this expansion would at least be longer then onslaught and maybe as long as the rise of the hutt cartel or the shadow of revan. Not to mention all the bugs and the terrible performance when on manaan
yea, it was very underwhelming especially being the 10th anniversary ""expansion"", manaan felt a like a filler arc and the only sith part of the legacy of the sith was 1 fp and the end was meh at least for me, and they didnt let us change sides and Im beging to think they never will, quite sad seeing swtor like that since its the game I have more hours in and one of my favorite games ever. The new cinematic character had less than 1 min screentime and no dialogue. That was kinda the last straw for me, sure I will still play when they drop new story content but Im done expecting anything for the newer content added, 7.1 .2 .3 and 8.0 will probably as underwhelming as 7.0, onslaught seems huge compared to it
@@bernardo879 We've already had the chance to switch sides, no?
@@username1660 no no I mean like go fully to the other side instead of only being a saboteur but yea we were able to take the first step
@@bernardo879 even with that this expansion so far barely had saboteur routes, it felt like a huge afterthought
@@vaati5000 yep we got like 2 right? and both on manaan
They really need to add more people to the developing team so they can make more story. Story is what's keeping this game alive... Not baby yoda crib!
In my completely honest opinion:
This expansion is incredibly underwhelming. I wasn't going into it with my expectations on the floor, yet somehow this appears to have managed to come out in the crawl space. I've been playing *continuously* since the Beta back in 2011, and if we don't managed to get a steady flow on content throughout the expansion year, it might just kill my interest in the game all together. 1 Daily Area (that isn't even a daily area yet) and 1 Flashpoint with 4 Story Missions is not a DLC. The Dread War had more content, and it was a bridge expansion between RotHC and Forged Alliances, the set up to SoR (which, in itself, had more content than Legacy of the Sith).
My Main area of interest in the game is the story, so I'll elaborate on it further *[Story Spoilers Ahead for the Entire Game]*
The Story for me hasn't been good since KOTFE, and hasn't felt like SWTOR since Ziost. To me, pretty much everything from War on Iokath onward has been incredibly boring, predictable, and sometimes outright uninteresting, but I think Manaan's Story here really takes the cake. Legacy of the Sith was heavily marketed as the story of Darth Malgus and what he's been building up to and planning since his return in Jedi Under Siege, and Manaan's Story has literally nothing to do with it whatsoever. It feels like Bioware saw that people wanted a Manaan expansion, and prioritised doing that over creating a story relevant to what they had been building up. So, ignoring the fact that Manaan's 4 Missions were completely unrelated, that leave the actual story of Legacy of the Sith being told in 1 Flashpoint. This, to me, is borderline unacceptable. I will hold back on giving a final opinion until I see what Bioware releases later down the line, but as it stands this DLC has not been even remotely worth the Subscription I've held for 10 Years. As the story goes in the Ruins of Nul flashpoint, we go to Nul, track down Malgus, and then capture him. This is not good. While the flashpoint itself was good, with interesting mechanics and boss fights, I am speaking from purely a story standpoint. They've been building up something with Malgus since he broke free. He stole relics on Dantooine (which was never elaborated on), and then went to Nul to do something (Never elaborated on, although this does look like it'll be picked up later), and then got immediately captured. This does not feel like a "first step" into a greater story for the year, it feels like another mid-expansion mission, like the Secrets of the Enclave or Echoes of Oblivion.
Other Side Notes I Have *[Story Spoilers Ahead for the Entire Game]*
-The Voice acting felt off. I don't know if this was because it was recorded at home, or because the actors don't care, but half the dialogue (on both Imp and Rep stories) felt wooden and boring.
-My Character never felt like they were doing anything for any real reason. People were just telling us to "Go repair the defenses" or "Go break the Ion Cannon" and we did it without getting a say, and then we get told to "Go capture Malgus" and we just go and do it. It is not interesting for my character to just be told that we have to do something, going and doing it with zero complications, and then returning.
-There were lots of bugs at launch, but this is to be expected, I don't have issue with this.
-All I could think about during the Imperial Story was how Obi Wan Kenobi was giving me orders. (Not a complaint)
-The story really didn't feel very clear. For Example: During the Imperial Story, Anri acts super mad that she got lied to by the Imperial Wan Kenobi. It wasn't really made clear what exactly he had done that was so wrong. I don't know whether the dialogue was poor so I missed it, or whether it was during the awful line delivery by Darth Moron that I could barely even understand, but I must have missed it entirely.
Conclusion/Summary:
-Massive Dissapointment. If there isn't a steady flow of content over the year, then my 10 Years of Continuous Loyalty to the game might fade entirely. *2/10*
The hate is flowing hard in gen chat, which makes me cringe and I wanted to push back - but I have to agree with your assessment. I had low expectations but am very underwhelmed, I have cancelled my sub and have 19 days left on it til renewal so should be able to get all my characters to 80 without a prob so I can at least run some content in F2P.
@@jasonley4809 I absolutely agree. SWTOR has never had DLCs released on a schedule, but they wanted something for the 10 Year Anniversary. I would gladly have waited for this to come out around July-September Time and get an ACTUAL expansion than for the 10 Year Anniversary DLC to be 4 Missions and 1 Flashpoint.
yea I loved the dread war arc. I wish they would come out with a solo version of the ops kind of like they did with Temple in 3.0, but I know that would be damn near impossible at this point.
I wish could be positive about the """""expansion""""" but it is very difficult for me. 7.0 is such a letdown. The only positive is the advanced class I guess...
I agree. For me as a casual player always anything in this "upgrade" is nothing positive. This is a downgrade. Remember the buffs. Previously those could be applied to other players. Now - none. Instead of improving playing along and be nice, now we are restricted to high-level flashpoints and other stuff (that's not for me, guys).
I'm really thinking on cancelling my subscription.
And checking on the forums I already discovered that I'm not alone with my opinions.
@@mflax4331 personally I find that FPs have been downgraded in difficulty. especially vet. I managed to solo some yesterday without much difficulty. I could hardly do that before 7.0. Not giving BioWare any leeway for the atrocious update but that seems to have changed.
I’ve been playing this game since launch and have seen many changes throughout the years, but I must say, that 7.0 was really disappointing. Although I appreciate and love the new combat system, I must say that removing certain abilities just felt like a step backwards? Especially when we consider that the skill tree from before was perfectly fine and allowed many Rage Damage Players (such as Lighting Sorcerers or Snipers) to move about in PvP or Dungeons.
With the new update I’ve lost a good amount of abilities and must now adapt, which is fine, but bothersome nonetheless. Secondly the new UI looks terrible, as if the game was still in an early Beta. There’s no use in changing things that no one ever complained about, especially when it comes to character customization. For instance, I cannot for the life of me see the option to adapt the colors of my companions armor, maybe I haven’t looked close enough, but it seems silly to hide or remove such things. (Not to mention the many bugs that come with it) For an expansion that has been delayed for almost two months to come out and look like that? It mirrors that the story wasn’t yet finished.
Edit: It also goes to show, that adding content that is mostly based on flashpoints, lacks a certain charm. Knights of the Eternal Empire did it right, with more story and less grinding. Of course, the player must have a way to get to level 80, however fighting through Story Flashpoints expansion after expansion is tiresome and gets boring after a short while. (This however, is my personal opinion)
YES! A step backwards is a great way to describe how it felt. When I logged on with the juggernaut class I was expecting a nerf on damage, not a complete removal of half of my abilities. Because I play the juggernaut class people often think I am biased towards a nerf, but that is totally wrong, I really thought it needed one. But they went too far, way way way too far.
Agreed!
But my biggest Pain is the new Character Creator. NO Hangar Bay and once you start this char...not even the Text Screen. Bye Bye Star Wars Magic.
I mean Bugs can be fixxed, Storys expanded, but if the Players Passion suffers... The Player turns to other Games.
I dont want SWtoR to die, but this fear is growing.
whats there to love about the combat system? its not like you can mix or anything, its just picking another class.
My Sith Juggernaut should he decide to go "inquisitor", how does he becomes an instant "squishy pussy" ? I hate it. Havent decided a second class, nor will i decide.
If i wanted to play Inquisitor, i would have rolled as such...
I could see it working for non force users tho. Maybe something like a Bounty Hunter with Commando Rifle....
Does not make sence for existing characters...
My Sith Juggernaut can take a pounding, he doesnt instantly goes squishy mode lightning.. it doesnt make sence .....
TLDR; Doesnt make sence that my Juggernaut goes instant pussy dress shooting lightning forgetting all about lightsaber combat and being squishy.
EA is known for doing things that make absolutely no sense. Its almost like they WANT to destroy games and use them as tax write offs or something. They did the same stuff to Dark Age of Camelot and managed to tank that game in under 6 months with pandering to the lazy and CC warriors. In the end they made it so people didn't even have to play their toons to reach max levels. The game died when people started showing up at the biggest raid with toons that would be the main healers or tanks and not even have their hot bars set up let alone know how to use the toon effectively. I feel they will do the same to SWTOR in the not too distant future.
Being able to switch to healer or ranged dps as a tank when needed is pretty solid.
I dunno. While it's universally agreed that the new UI is a step back, I find the worst change was removing the starship hangar character creation. I liked it!
Wish they would give us better camera options already. It's why Black Desert is so popular, I feel. Love being able to get great shots of my characters!
Yeah the new gearing system is super confusing... especially the system that is replacing the set bonuses.
The renown system and the 6.0 gearing imo was fine.
I loved the gear attached set bonuses, it was a bit grindy but once you got the gist of it, it was fine.
From what I've seen so far, the new lvl 80 gearing has no more moddable stuff... which is meh... But I could be wrong.
I totally agree. Gearing in 6.0 was good tbh.
The new gearing system is good and mostly faster than previous crate systems. It removes rng completely and everyone can have 320 gear pretty much when they hit level 80. It's a similar gearing system used back in 2.0
You’re right. No mods.
The whole update was piss poor. I told people this would happen. I warned about this. But I was called “entitled”, “crybaby”, “hater” “bitching”. The “Expansion” was utter trash.
The Story was just dumb. I’d rather watch The Last Jedi. The Manaan part, had NOTHING to do with legacy of the Sith. If anything that should’ve been in ONSLAUGHT. Elom was just the flashpoint, it was too short and the story now leads to nothing.
The “New” UI feels outdated clanky and old despite it supposedly being new.
So what the hell were they actually doing those two months? I tell you what. Absolutely nothing.
They were on vacation, just got back to the office and they had a quota plus a final deadline to meet or else the higher ups wouldn’t be happy.
the devs are 60 days late AND HAVE A HALFASSED PRODUCT TO SHOW FOR THEIR TARDINESS. Would I give my employees 60 more days for them too still screw it up time and again and still keep them? Nope. Replacements and firings need to start happen to set an example. We the people pay good hard earned money and all we ask is decent content not riddled with bugs.
Really miss the old UI the new one feels like a huge downgrade
I really hope in future updates they add a lot more story. Also what is this new UI? When I was on the playtest server I thought it was an early build of the UI but wow it just looks that it was put together quickly or the UI team is very inexperienced.
it looks so listless. The old ui was much more detailed and more colorful. Know it is so monotonous
@@burnoutmaker2133 I completely agree, its almost disgusting to look at. Most companies that try to update an older game always try to make a "newer" or "more modern" UI so that new players can have a more present experience. It almost always ruins a game, same thing happened to siege in my opinion.
There is no UI team in this Bioware studio. This wasn´t done by any good UI/UX designer at all. I don´t believe they hire any, because this would have none of professional designer approve. They did it by themselves, by what they think "it is okay" and then some programmer make it real according that with no knowledge about UI/UX. And voala..
I'm not gonna lie. I'm pretty disappointed. I've been a player since beta and I want new story content. The mechanic overhauls were necessary. 100%. But I'm confused as to how you delayed the expansion by a couple months, advertise it as one of the biggest expansions to hit, then a couple hour campaign at most? Who is this for exactly? If you just wanted to overhaul under the hood, you shouldve advertised it as such. I subbed for this expansion and done with the story already. Wasn't worth my 15 dollars. Which is rough. They either need to make an entirely new game (so swtor 2) or not release any "expansions" for a couple years and overhaul the engine completely. Because needing delay an expansion that didn't have much content in it tells me you guys are forcing an old engine to do new tricks and it's an issue. Just make a new engine with a new game or take the time to overhaul the current one completely. Please don't tell me I'm getting one thing, then release crumbs. I paid 15 dollars for some mechanic changes... that's rough dawg 😂 so this should DEFINITELY be a learning experience
They should give us the option to use the old UI. Plus, the new combat system is very VERY messy
Huge let down.
LOTS is absolutely horrific. They need to fire whoever to have working at the UI, it's just a waste of resources
I felt heartbroken when I first logged into 7.0. I've played for 9 years, and have loved the game. My favourite game of all time, but it's time to leave. They have ruined this masterpiece with this update. A huge disappointment.
im surprised they even got away with calling this an expansion. its a content patch at best. This is incredibly underwhelming not only for me, but a vast majority of their subscribers. What a spit in the face by bioware.
Do you need to buy it now or is it in monthly sub?
@@daethmer7834 its free to those who sub to the game. Its not worth subbing for it, though.
It's sad to work on something what's not even a big deal.. like the inventory's look or the character sheet..
What's positive : You can play as a sniper in a trooper story, or you can be a dark side smuggler.. etc. I think it's really good!
But I would've been happy with a few new species, more character customization, more armors, mounts with better details, or few new planet, or something what would've been the real deal for the 10th year anniversary.
They should add planet Mandalore, especially after Mandalorian stories in last lore
@@Amanda_Hertz There's a few more. Like Naboo, Kashyyyk, Bespin, Kamino, these are beautiful!
smuggler commando lol
@@Amanda_Hertz Sadly, they don´t care about Star Wars hype by movies and TV shows. No advantage of that at all. No FB/IG ads, nothing. They have no marketing/promo for swtor. Even though Star Wars are on more hype, than Warcraft these times.
Here's the deal after working in IT for 30 years. They stood up this environment (servers, switches, firewalls, disaster recovery) 11 years ago on what was at the time current hardware. They all, devs, it support staff, project managers, directors got to work on a project that was Star Wars related and it was like they were kids in a candy store. Ten years later they probably have done one major hardware refresh to support the platform. And are now faced with what do we do now? We don't intend to place a lot of development focus on this game long term. So, they string it along because it still brings in revenue. They have a small staff to develop and test. They rely mostly on the PTS to do the testing and then rush to fix broken code afterwards. They don't care any longer about the customer subscriber base because most of the revenue comes from the in game store. The people still working on the project after 10 years are no longer enthusiastic working on the game because the honeymoon period is way over. For them this is just a paycheck to pay the mortgage. They probably should turn out the lights on the game and focus on new projects hopefully Star Wars related. Probably the reason they don't is they are developing some game to replace it and every time they look at amount of revenue it draws still they just can't do it.
All this wait, for mostly disappointments.....
And eeeeverybody loves it, and nobody is complaining about anything!
;)
That said, I do hope they fix most of the bugs on the... dire... bug list.
And that UI just... has to go.
They very worst ones, including euro players and keybinds resetting they seem to have fixed so I'm happy about that, but still lots to cross off the list.
@@Swtorista The thing I don't understand is what they did in the last two months. It's not like people didn't report lots of bugs in the PTS
@@Swtorista Yeah, I was just generally commenting on the slight *hissy fit* that the community has right now and the fact that the bug list actually made one of my students whistle at work when they spied me looking through it during class and asked what it was.
@@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa Most likely they tried fixing the bug with weapon customization that's pushed that feature back to 7.1 and there might have been more issues than thought when it comes to the flashpoint.
The combat styles was all hype, this isn’t true multi classing. All it does is save you from rolling an alt, or logging out and back in on an alt. I can’t be a Jedi shadow with duel sabers, etc. All I’m doing is changing my Jedi shadow into a sentinel and back.
@@Kalbuir66 I totally agree! Or, if you've ever played Star Wars Galaxies back in the early 2000's, that game allowed you to truly multi class, I.E.: Be an Entertainer who was also a Doctor who was also a Smuggler. Or, a Droid Engineer who was a Riflemen, who was also a Create Handler.
What I had envisioned for THIS game when I heard duel combat styles was be able to mix and match abilities at certain levels and be able to chose any weapon to use as long as I had an ability that matched.
One of the worst and shortest expansions so far. Really dissapointed. Bioware really needs to step it up and not end up like Dice.
Bioware had an opportunity to really pull in a Star Wars fan base that is DYING for a good, doesn't even have to be great, MMO experience. It can be done (e.g., FFXIV). This is a serious set back as many players that were away for a longtime were interested... were.
Not good enough to return to the game
i love your video swtorista, but i dont think your honest now. This update ,not an expension, is horible.
they took away more then they added
about an 8:2 ratio
Having recently come back to the game I have to say I'm really enjoying the content you're making and the way you're explaining things. It helps me get back in the swing of things super fast and understand all of the new systems. Thanks Swtorista!
I have to say, i respect the devs for doing their best during a very trying period. However, this expansion started very rough and the story was incredibly short. I'm expecting them to add on to it but so far i'm sadly disappointed - especially when the trailer was so awesome. I'm hoping for the best.
No idea why they decided to nerf companion healing once again tho... Didn't go down well last time either.
The new UI is so unbelievably awful, I'm glad that most of the swtor reddit agree with me
The cinematic had more content than the "expansion". I wish people would let this game die already. Waiting a year for an hour of content is a damn joke.
This "expansion" finally made me quit... Sad times.
ye i quit today too sadly . it is physically hard for me to play this game with new ui and font - my eyes get tired and start to hurt fast .
I tried to love this update, but after wasting an hour trying to cheese the Malgus fight because of the fall damage bug I gave up all together.
Nearly no story, pruning abilities for no reason, needlessly complicating gearing, and the new UI unironicly hurts my eyes.
That and dozens of new bugs.
Never thought I'd say that, but this "expansion" made me unsubscribe before I finished the story
My BH lost several abilities as well. As a long time player this entire so called "expansion" is a step backwards.
I might unsub for a few months then come back and see how it's been updated.
@@Kalbuir66 same.
The new UI is ghastly
They should be ashamed, a total disappointment.
Hi Swtorista, just a simple question: Will you make a video talking about all the problems in 7.0 and your real opinion on it?
Only 1 hour story? Dang I’m a bit sad about that
Me too, was hoping for more!
Calling this absolute Shitshow an "Expansion" is a disgrace. 2 hours of Content and even with a two Months delay it is buggy as hell, Skills are missing others are not even working properly any more and today they managed to mess up the Keyboard layouts? The audacity of this Company is truly on another level. Trailer was the best thing about this "Addon". Emergency Patch needed, seems like we are missing ~20h of Content
What did it cost to bring us this new expansion?
My Jedi sentinel: “everything”
My guardian: Same
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 I haven’t seen a nerfing this bad since EA battlefront 2 nerfed Anakin 11 times
I was very un impressed with the new update. So many bugs and when it came to killing darth malgus I let my companion kill him because he would bug out and kick me out of the fight. I am thinking of ending my sub after 9 years. Very upset with this. I could go on but no reason to kick a dead horse.
This expansion was just garbage. The trailer had more story than the expansion. Nothing new to explore, no new planet, not even dailies yet, just a massive reset of gear and a terrible new gear grind on old content. This was absolute trash. I don't see how anyone can defend it.
It took me longer to figure out combat styles and where all the abilities on my bars had gone, and to get my toon back into a playable state than it did to play through the expansion. This is very, very, disappointing. I can appreciate that a lot of work has gone into the UI rework (which I don't like much of, but let me get used to it), and into combat styles, and so on, but to play through all the story content in an hour?
I'm asking myself why bother, at this point.
Exactly how I felt. Logged in, bunch of my abilities were gone. Spent a bunch of time figuring out the new character sheet (like you took a while to figure out were the details were). I was a F2P player and just got back into the game and decided to try a 2m sub as I was starting to get into it. Still have to figure out my character tree but at this point I'm just playing and trying to figure out what works. I'm thinking of just starting a new character to figure it all out from level 1 instead of changing everything at an advanced level.
I haven't gotten far into the expansion.
I'm confused to this secondary form thing, but so far the biggest criticism I have is about these expansions is the lack of companion choice.
We had the option to romance and marry Koth, Lana, or Theron but we haven't been able to use them as a companion since Fallen Empire.
We keep being forced to use Arm or someone else.
If I had a suggestion to BioWare, allow us to use the companion of our choice. If we need a tag along for story (for example Arn or Tau) then fine, the player has two NPCs traveling with him or her (companion of choice and the plot necessary NPC).
With three characters total will that make things easy? Of course.
So what.
We're playing the story part of the expansion. That's not for a challenge, that's for the story. So who cares if it's easy getting rid of stupid adds. Besides, canonically speaking, I shouldn't have to be doing this much slashing on a regular person shooting a blaster when I have a lightsaber, so if we melt through adds, I think that's okay. It kind of helps canonical consistency.
Make the level bosses dynamically stronger based on whether the player has a companion and plot NPC or just the plot NPC serving both roles.
The point is, this is story mode. It's for the story, not a challenge. End game is for challenge, just let me play with the companion of my choice.
My influence is 50 for a damn reason and having my WIFE Lana with a 50 influence does nothing for me if.... She's. Not. With. Me.
Besides, solo story mode flashpoints we have a companion AND the support droid.
AND THAT'S A FLASHPOINT MEANT TO BE A CHALLENGE!!! The expansion story isn't a challenge. So who cares if we run with our chosen companion and a story NPC. It obviously isn't something new. I'm not inventing anything here. 8ts being done already with story mode flashpoints. 🤷
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1)Watch awesome story
2)Run to annoyingly easy task
3)Stand there and take hits from enemy, occasionally dodge big boss attack with ample time to move out of the big circle on ground. Loot dead guys
4)Run back to turn quest in
5)Repeat
“So I’m just doing non-immersive, stupidly easy a toddler could do it.. grindy quests, in between chunks of awesome storyline?? Why don’t I just watch the story anywhere on UA-cam, and that way I don’t have to subject myself to wasting countless hours of time on abysmally outdated concepts like tab targeting and gaining more gear… to GAIN MORE GEAR?”
Once I learned PvP was all but dead in this game. That was a deal breaker man.. “I’m just watching this online if I want to experience it” get the cool stories in a quarter of the amount of time it takes. And completely avoid the same game we’ve all played countless times for the last 20 years.
I ALMOST played this game. I wanted to love it, I desperately tried to love it.. but in no way could I ever subject myself to this… outdated concept on a piece of software that is going to die *long* before it ever goes in the opposite direction.
I played a good 6 hours, was loving the storyline.. but that was LITERALLY it. As a gamer of 26 years, I noticed how much of a WoW ripoff this was at its core, outside the amazing storylines.. and it just turned into a cycle of boredom in between awesome story.
It’s so BLAH. This system was fun back in 2004-2010 man. Cmon that was 12-18 years ago.. there’s no soul in such a staple part of this game.. because there’s no challenge, there is *no* immersion. At no point during those hours that I played did I once ever feel threatened, challenged, or anything.. not even close. The game pampers you, so it can obviously spoon feed you the story ASAP.. because that’s what people want here.
If that’s the case, then why not just add more cutscenes rather then JUST when you’re accepting quests? Give the NPC’s life, spice the game up a bit?? It’s so linear, and I felt like I was being corralled into playing a certain type of way.. in a game that is a huge open world. Boring, and thoughtless.
16 years ago, you could’ve tricked people with a big open world.. that in all reality was just one big linear adventure. That tricks people into believing there’s this huge amount of things to do.. with the mere size of the maps. Those days are long since past.
It’s just an annoying grind simulator, with outdated systems such as tab targeting, linear progression, and lifeless NPC grinding. With no immersion with your character whatsoever... Where you stand there and take hits from enemies, rather then dodge them or have to aim at them.. the “game” just does that for you. There is no satisfaction in this for such a large portion of humanity, anymore.
This is a dying game, and that is why this update was small. The money simply is not in this concept anymore. And it probably took 2 whole years to push out, because of obvious fund cuts on their team.. on their outdated concept.
Conclusion: This is an annoying grind simulator, with bits and pieces of good storyline in between.
This expansion has been a complete and utter waste of money. I wholeheartedly regret subbing for it. With everything coming it seemed really cool, but now that it's out, I'm disgusted with how disappointing and boring it is.
You don't get a choice in this expansion, I did both sides of it and just feels very hastily put together. The story lines or options you get do not let you do anything other then force progression. This is the worst expansion ever. They need to hire better people who can keep track of the previous story lines and make it where you do get to make the choices that will change your story. This expansion has a F rating now. I would just un-sub from the game and be done with it, not worth the money or time. The only good thing is the trailer that's it.
Just throwing this out because I just noticed; Shae Vizla is available for purchase from the Galactic Seasons vendor for 5 Galactic Seasons Token!
If you haven't gotten her and want her you will get enough, as a subscriber, to buy both her and a penthouse so keep that in mind!
quite disapointing, not worth the money spent. gearing und ui are terrible
While I don't mind neither the shorter story nor the UI and gameplay changes, and I actually really like the multi-class setup thing, I must say the equipment changes really killed the fun for me. Not only most of the things I've been grinding towards are now utterly useless, I feel like we've lost a great deal of customization options with mods and augments being pretty much obsolete:/
I had fun, but the Malgus fight is bugged, he can insta kill you with an AOE attack that is nearly impossible to dodge so I had to take a break because he killed me 8 straight times
This was just a flashpoint update advertised as an expansion for the games 10 yr anniversary
I think I'm gonna subscribe when 7.1 comes. Right now it is def not worth it and I still need to complete all other expnasions on my Republic main.
The story was trash, and that shit got ran through way too fast - hardly even an hour.
I demand Major Anri as a permanent companion ! That story was so short, it took me an hour and half to see both sides of it.
will be about 20 hours of content if I include all characters wish we got a shadow of revan sized expansion
I just wish the weapons that you get dropped were modded, so you can remove them and put the mods into your current weapons because the basic in game weapons are ugly as F. They also need a separate gear page for your second ability loadout. Having to have your gear in your inventory is stupid. At least have a mini inventory system that can store gear while you are on your other loadout. Like a lot of other MMO's do. Those are my two major issues with the changes so far. I wish the expansion was longer, but as they added in and changed several game systems as well I'm OK with it. The new UI look doesn't look like "Steampunk Star Wars", which is basically what SWTOR is, but some minor changes would fix that.
7.1 you’ll be able to put your weapons in the outfit designer. Fingers crossed. They’ve been trying to do this for years.
@@storms9023 hopefully we get two weapon slots so an outfit isn't linked to a specific class loadout.
@@neilprice513 For some reason i doubt they'd have thought that far ahead
Disgraceful to call it an expansion. I'd have actually preferred if there was no cinematic because it's a slap in the face to people who pay a sub for this game that's that's where the money went rather than gameplay.
When one of the devs said that they’re maybe more combat styles in the future, I instantly thought of hybrid combat styles. I mean a commando/sniper, or mercenary/sniper, or a guardian/shadow. They’re could finally be a ranged dps that uses a blaster rifle, or a possible paladin style or class where the can tank or heal
@@Kalbuir66 they never promised that though, what Bioware usually does is announce something without going into detail and the community goes crazy imagining what we're going to get
I can honestly say this is my last playing this game, I subbed for 6 months in Jan in preparation for this “expansion” expecting more story than what was givin
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I haven't been able to play the new story yet because I never did Onslaught. I thought I was done after taking the Eternal Throne, when nothing came up in my quest log. Then in the course of trying to figure out how to start Legacy of the Sith, I found out that I should have gone to the mission terminal in my ship to start Onslaught.
LOL I hadn't set foot on my ship in like, years.
Lol! Good luck catching up!
If they scrapped the new CG trailer and the meh UI, would we have gotten more story?
Maybe but the games lifespan would be shorter. The cinematic was there attempt to make the game more popular as not many people play it. The more people that play, the longer the game lasts.
I was curious to see if I should return to SWTOR and see what 7.0 has brought. Judging by the comments here it looks like i don't need to bother. I guess they spent all the money on the Cinematic?
A new digital edition in Russia costs 2500 rubles...... a month of subscription and 2400 coins 1000rubles... i.e. 1500 rubles (price AAA games at a discount) for a sword, pet and transport... well, extremely bad offer
I find it un-motivating. They took a lot from us. I feel they really weakened you just so you can have another class. Very weak trade IMO.
1. my marauder tactical that built fury with ataru strikes was just stolen and not compensated (1 million credit + 1000 tech frag) just gone.
2. Ill take all my old attacks over their new custom class design path. (Carnage used to fill the hot keys, now i have several empty spaces since i have to puck between choke, mad dash, and others.
3. Command rank gone meaning once level 80 is hit, there’s no incentive to play anything else since i cant grow anymore. And you can hit lv. 80 before even. Ch.3 story arch.
I cant really call this an expansion..... its more of a... a.... I don't even know what to call it anymore