NU METAL TIER LIST PART 2

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  • Опубліковано 26 жов 2021
  • Nu-metal tier list part 2 is here! Where do nu-metal bands like Korn, System Of A Down, Taproot, Mushroomhead, Crazy Town, Deftones, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park belong??
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  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
    @FinnMckentyPRMBA  2 роки тому +44

    Come hang out on Twitch! www.twitch.tv/finnmckenty

    • @frankricks6854
      @frankricks6854 2 роки тому +1

      You slept on American Head Charge....not saying they're great by any means....but "Loyalty" and "Fiend" are badass songs....

    • @MikeJohnson-ii7nq
      @MikeJohnson-ii7nq 2 роки тому

      Nu metal died in 2000-2001

    • @josephfierros9034
      @josephfierros9034 2 роки тому +4

      Finn mckenty i am a huge fan of your channel. I love your content, but damn your rant on S.O.A.D came off as just mean. Kind of disappointed in you

    • @Mr.Septon
      @Mr.Septon 2 роки тому +1

      @@josephfierros9034 Bruh, I think that you are taking it too personal. I really love System, and while I disagree a bit with Finn on his take, you really shouldn't take it that personally. I think that they are talented, and I think that they have some pretty great lyrics. He gave them the respectful position on the tier list, but just doesn't personally get it. Had he gone on that rant and put them at the bottom, maybe you would have more of a case.
      To Finn, I thought that your list was pretty solid. I wouldn't mind seeing it still expanded a little further with at least one more part.

    • @dismembered_815
      @dismembered_815 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah man u forgot ill niño

  • @FenixDown87
    @FenixDown87 2 роки тому +1885

    Finn: I don't understand why people like Mudvayne
    Also Finn: let me show you my favorite Crazy Town song

  • @mrsausage001
    @mrsausage001 2 роки тому +757

    Shitting all over SOAD and still having the balls to acknowledge the fact that they are S tier is the epitome of integrity. Finn knows his shit.

    • @petrinafilip96
      @petrinafilip96 2 роки тому +27

      Thats what I really liked in this video too.

    • @putifarrii
      @putifarrii 2 роки тому +7

      But sending Mushroomhead to D doesnt feel right to me, they inspired slipknot looks so I would say they are very influential

    • @RadDEATHTRAP
      @RadDEATHTRAP 2 роки тому +17

      But shitting on Deftones almost entirely? And also Mudvayne?

    • @jond508
      @jond508 2 роки тому

      @@putifarrii gwar

    • @thewhiterabbit8581
      @thewhiterabbit8581 2 роки тому +7

      i watched until the soad part

  • @ALifeForm
    @ALifeForm 2 роки тому +183

    SOAD was a gateway band for me, but still to this day they're my favorite band of all time. The message behind their music was really eye opening to me as an 11 year old. Still rings true to this day.

    • @xkmmx2132
      @xkmmx2132 6 місяців тому

      I totally get the gateway band thing as I was 15 when the first SOAD album came out and was really into it. But the more I listened to and discovered other bands they just faded away for me. Toxicity came out and I loved every bit of it. But once Chop Suey got shoved down my throat by radio for 4 years I almost couldn't get through it without it driving me nuts. The thing is there are 9,000,000 bands with the exact same "don't trust governments and anti fascism" type stuff. I mean who isn't anti fascism and injustice.

    • @bonkeys3615
      @bonkeys3615 5 місяців тому

      Same

    • @PancakeMcSquizzles
      @PancakeMcSquizzles 4 місяці тому +3

      My favorite band is SOAD, and my favorite restaurant is Olive Garden.

  • @DefThrone
    @DefThrone 2 роки тому +186

    Korn was opening for System this year and all their albums have gone platinum. I think you don't give them enough credit Finn. It's kind of like if you judge The Cure based on Friday Im in Love or Boys Dont Cry without ever hearing the album Disintegration. There's more to it. Cool sounding vocal harmonies in some songs, interesting guitar parts, some cool middle eastern instrumentation and influences. Plus they've raised a lot of money for Armenia who really need it now since theyre being invaded by Azerbaijan (backed by Turkey).

    • @kylestrange4494
      @kylestrange4494 2 роки тому +15

      Korn didn't open for them. Its a co headlining tour. They switched on some shows with korn playing after system...

    • @Frederick0220
      @Frederick0220 Рік тому +22

      Finny’s hatred of SOAD is laughable

    • @piscesmoonrising1450
      @piscesmoonrising1450 Рік тому +4

      @@Frederick0220 Especially when you see his best of 2022 list. Hahaha

    • @mesic3333
      @mesic3333 Рік тому

      SOAD sucks ass

    • @darrenthetuber743
      @darrenthetuber743 Рік тому +2

      ​@@Frederick0220his hate for certain bands will never match his love for Crazy town and Trap-Metal

  • @d1l4te43
    @d1l4te43 2 роки тому +463

    I didn't listen to SOAD growing up so nostalgia isn't a thing to me. I love them because they are in fact awesome and make badass music.

    • @graydrive5796
      @graydrive5796 2 роки тому +54

      Yeah Finn is boring lol

    • @kirikoza2488
      @kirikoza2488 2 роки тому +41

      he's a total wet blanket, pretty dry taste in metal but we love him anyway

    • @crazydud3380
      @crazydud3380 2 роки тому +61

      @@kirikoza2488 Yeah, he is legit when he talks about punk (and especially hardcore), but he needs to just comes to terms with the fact that, when it comes to metal, he is a casual fan at best.

    • @chrislawuk
      @chrislawuk 2 роки тому +48

      Yeah. SOAD got me IN to metal, for god’s sake. I’m not gonna pretend their last couple albums haven’t been as good as the first half of their career… “infantile unsophistated musical palates”?? UA-cam really is the ultimate glass house, you can throw stone after stone…. The funny thing is he gets so much right but to call SOAD mediocre it’s INSANE to me

    • @OpIvyUnity
      @OpIvyUnity 2 роки тому +14

      This. When I was younger I was a casual fan of the SOAD singles that would play on the radio or MTV but I never listened to them outside of that. A few years ago I put on the Toxicity album to check it out and I'm so mad I never fully listened back then. Toxicity is regularly on repeat for me now. I'm also not a fan of metal (punk has always been my niche) but SOAD really does it for me. They're so fucking good!!!!

  • @kriskeen6739
    @kriskeen6739 2 роки тому +288

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the reason early Deftones sounds like 'Generic Nu-Metal Riff #300' is that they pioneered that style, and promptly moved on from it with White Pony and thereafter. That being said, I'm a fan, but their fanbase is ... zealous. Real zealous.

    • @michaelotis223
      @michaelotis223 2 роки тому +9

      Deftones music is super subjective. No wonder their fans feel the songs are about them!!

    • @ivanortega4534
      @ivanortega4534 2 роки тому +25

      Deftones might be the oldest band on here

    • @twistedsells1465
      @twistedsells1465 2 роки тому +4

      @@ivanortega4534 they are

    • @lazersmuertos3162
      @lazersmuertos3162 2 роки тому +2

      lmao this extremely disguised low key defensive comment from a Deftones fanboy

    • @twistedsells1465
      @twistedsells1465 2 роки тому +8

      @@lazersmuertos3162 all hail deftones! Fuck all that other mainstream nu metal shit

  • @gregjohnson1015
    @gregjohnson1015 2 роки тому +74

    Toxicity has one of the best drum sounds ever, especially on that snare. It sounds incredible.

  • @nightshadeii9248
    @nightshadeii9248 Рік тому +227

    Deftones are legit S Tier.
    Latest album reached #5 on Billboard Top 200, they were nominated for 3 Grammys in 2022, (Mike Shinoda’s remix of their ‘Passenger’ won), and they won Loudwire’s Album of the Year last year.

    • @christianhackl474
      @christianhackl474 Рік тому +10

      Dude, they won a Grammy too. For "elite" back in the day

    • @jakestewartmusic
      @jakestewartmusic Рік тому +24

      Agreed - Deftones are 100% S tier.
      Unlike most of these bands, Deftones continue to be influential and release great music. They transcended the whole nu-metal thing and developed their own sound, which is partly why I think their music has actually aged the best of any band on this list.

    • @ocaliforniano
      @ocaliforniano Рік тому +10

      I was having so much fun until he started talking about Deftones. lol, I've never heard someone take such a wrong and left turn.

    • @alexmurphy9919
      @alexmurphy9919 Рік тому +9

      100% S tier. Both for musical part - on White Pony they stepped into triphop, on selftitled and Saturday Night Wrist they stepped into progrock and shoegaze, on Koi No Yokan - progrock, shoegaze, postmetal etc, and for their influence. Just like the best example of Deftones influence is (suprisingly) MUSE. Yep, Muse were heavily impacted and inspired by Deftones (as Muse themselves say), and for some time they even played Deftones' riffs as interludes for their show (like My Own Summer and Headup)

  • @elihollett
    @elihollett 2 роки тому +83

    Finn: My problem is people who have excessive enthusiasm for anthything.
    Also Finn: CRAZY TOWN!

  • @psychedoutmike5957
    @psychedoutmike5957 2 роки тому +259

    Even though I don’t agree with your opinions on Deftones I love to hear your commentary on them it’s hilarious 😂

    • @markwrenn5965
      @markwrenn5965 2 роки тому +25

      S Tier rant

    • @jasonlovesmusicreacting882
      @jasonlovesmusicreacting882 2 роки тому +10

      I agree with him wholeheartedly. Everyone treats them like they're the best thing since sliced bread.

    • @addisonbreanna
      @addisonbreanna 2 роки тому +4

      Same dude lol there was a video where he talked shit about glassjaw. but im still here watching months later lol i love his videos dude

    • @ZL1LoVeR
      @ZL1LoVeR 2 роки тому +1

      Are they A tier for Nu Metal but S tier for old school Metalcore?

    • @B-Shells
      @B-Shells 2 роки тому

      Saaame lol

  • @benceszaraz7772
    @benceszaraz7772 Рік тому +36

    SOAD is a absolutely unique band with diverse songs, interesting influences.

  • @benjaminthomson
    @benjaminthomson 2 роки тому +682

    Deftones on the same level as coal chamber is a travesty. They’re absolutely S tier.

    • @editnosmirc4489
      @editnosmirc4489 2 роки тому +78

      For sure. If there was a Nu Metal Mt Rushmore the 4 would be Korn, Linkin Park, Slipknot and Deftones

    • @jseaux
      @jseaux 2 роки тому +10

      No lies here

    • @awilson816aw
      @awilson816aw 2 роки тому +94

      Well, remember this is a man who called SOAD 'Olive Garden metal' and went on to praise Crazytown!! I get a little concerned about Finn 🤣

    • @bdbamford
      @bdbamford 2 роки тому +11

      in that era. they distanced themselves. they piss over all of the others. (also they are stil relevent!! - which = sucsess ((i am biased cos i love deftones))

    • @99bajakid
      @99bajakid 2 роки тому +4

      Agreed, he should just smoke some weed and "get it" oh well :(

  • @bot_ave
    @bot_ave 2 роки тому +103

    Love how Deftones were part of pioneering numetal then evolved to other genres before it went to shit

    • @jordanjoestar8839
      @jordanjoestar8839 2 роки тому +13

      To this day they continue to evolve one step ahead.

    • @RadDEATHTRAP
      @RadDEATHTRAP 2 роки тому +10

      @@jordanjoestar8839 yep and he doesn’t give them any kind of recognition for that or willing to admit how good they actually are even though they’re super different. All because he can’t stand the fanbase

    • @JoeyFTL
      @JoeyFTL 2 роки тому

      You have a point, but I'd still rather them do that than go the LP direction...
      At least there are a few good moments in there still

  • @EASTNSIM9454
    @EASTNSIM9454 2 роки тому +68

    his rants about why he doesnt like deftones last as long as my rants about why i like deftones.
    i wont cave to a man with more than one hatebreed tattoo.

    • @billbrasky7540
      @billbrasky7540 2 роки тому +12

      Ha! I can't stand Deftones, (I don't like Tool neither; big whoop, wanna fight aboutit?) but dammit man, your argument and logic are S tier 😂 "won't cave to a man with more than one Hatebreed tattoo" 😆

    • @B-Shells
      @B-Shells 2 роки тому +4

      😂😭

  • @TuringMachine001
    @TuringMachine001 Рік тому +26

    0:00 Intro
    0:59 Taproot
    2:49 American Head Charge
    4:59 System of a Down
    8:18 Crazy Town
    10:00 Linkin' Park
    10:25 Limp Bizkit
    10:38 Slipknot
    11:01 Mushroomhead
    14:31 Deftone
    20:18 Outro

  • @plusmin09
    @plusmin09 2 роки тому +65

    I listened to all this nu metal stuff with friends in high school, and melodically System Of A Down stood out to me considerably more than the majority of other bands from that genre.

  • @heavytransit
    @heavytransit 2 роки тому +208

    SOAD is a band that combines really awesome music influences from the caucasus and metal, they are good song writers, the vocals are unique memorable passionate and very melancholic, they use melody in very interesting ways. Their albums are fun to listen to and their messaging although a bit immature is resonant. People still connect with the band to this day. Just look at the number of views in their songs. The band is massive.

    • @lobstalova8491
      @lobstalova8491 Рік тому +11

      Literally the greatest band of all time

    • @geniallyrealmajaw378
      @geniallyrealmajaw378 Рік тому +2

      This youtuber clearly likes MGK🗿

    • @timmzzzz88
      @timmzzzz88 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@lobstalova8491 please say this louder

  • @oops6876
    @oops6876 2 роки тому +68

    Taproot was at least a B tier band, Finnjamin. Downtuning to drop A, but not using it to exclusively to be heavy, while also singing instead of grunting through the vocal parts was actually fairly impressive back then. There’s a reason Stephen was one the few rock vocalists who ended up on Linkin Park’s Re-animation. Lane Staley was even going to do a song with them before he passed, so I’d say they deserve more cred than you’re willing to give em, but hey, that’s just me. 🤷‍♂️

    • @HotStrange
      @HotStrange Рік тому +6

      Finnjamin 💀

    • @clintjanes3784
      @clintjanes3784 Рік тому

      Taproot is garbage.

    • @mike_tkgchs
      @mike_tkgchs Рік тому +2

      which is all fine and dandy but i dunno man, it just sounded pretty boring as a whole. if the sum of elements made the band, every supergroup would be the best on the planet, but we know the majority of supergroup are just uninspired and uninspiring

    • @dopestonelion3357
      @dopestonelion3357 Рік тому +1

      Yah. He did taproot dirty.

    • @rainbowslushy223
      @rainbowslushy223 2 місяці тому +1

      poem has a killer chorus

  • @Tallah
    @Tallah Рік тому +9

    You have inspired us to get more drip, dreads, and a backpack. Also, thank you for acknowledging Crazy Town. My drummer and I (Justin) started listening to them as a meme back in 2018, and we ended up actually digging a ton of their more nu metal songs. Love your sense of humor and blunt opinions, Finn. Keep up the awesome content!

  • @emmaseckso1870
    @emmaseckso1870 2 роки тому +104

    “SOAD sucks” *starts to get angry* “if you were 12 and had never heard metal before you get a pass” .. okay thanks.
    God I needed SOAD when they came out. Helped my little pre-teen angst heart.

    • @djcj
      @djcj 2 роки тому

      100%

  • @DingleMcDangle
    @DingleMcDangle 2 роки тому +211

    I love how Finn calls Deftones “stoner incel” music but truth is, people bang like rabbits to some Deftones 😂

    • @LeDoubleTap
      @LeDoubleTap 2 роки тому +32

      Chicks get fckn WET for Deftones

    • @nm645
      @nm645 2 роки тому +37

      It's more like "stoner fuckboy" music, imo

    • @5ycey7.n.84
      @5ycey7.n.84 2 роки тому +12

      Yea, it's not actually just stoner music. White Pony is a reference to cocaine. Uppers make people notoriously horny.

    • @mari0velle427
      @mari0velle427 2 роки тому +53

      I feel like he's never been to a Deftones show... it's littered with chicks - drunk chicks, stoned chicks, egirls, cholas, horny housewives. Maybe the only Deftones fans he's ever had conversations with has been on forums.

    • @Prohibited014
      @Prohibited014 2 роки тому +22

      "people bang like rabbits to some Deftones"
      absolutely...while high :)

  • @slipknot73745
    @slipknot73745 2 роки тому +10

    Respect on your SOAD rating. I think it’s the catchy songwriting, memorable lyrics, and the mystique of Serg’s quarter tone scales that got a lot of teens (lol) like me hooked. Simple, different, and easy to recognize goes a long way to the masses. I like them for a different reason I guess.

  • @Solohypnotic
    @Solohypnotic Рік тому +2

    I love your commentary on everything man. You made me crack up a couple times. This is my high school tier top whatever. There were so many bands around that time that made the era great, but you nailed it 100%, lol. I appreciate all the videos that you do and I expect to see more covering the era that I miss the most. Because of you I decided to discover and embrace alot of bands that I may have misjudged and overlooked during the time period because I wasn't able to let go of Nu-Metal, but it's been a good ride through time, so thank you!

  • @pancakeburglar9361
    @pancakeburglar9361 2 роки тому +111

    Love Deftones but even Chino agrees with you that Stephen’s weed consumption seems to contribute to his conspiracy theory beliefs lol.
    Also would of loved to see you rank Nu Metal era Machine Head, Rob Flynn’s drip in the 90s was S tier alone.

    • @taliesinpotter4097
      @taliesinpotter4097 2 роки тому +6

      Rob Flynn is an s tier person too

    • @Nestorglass
      @Nestorglass 2 роки тому +1

      @@taliesinpotter4097 he is, but that drip was dreadful come on T_T

    • @andydotorg
      @andydotorg 2 роки тому +10

      If you wrote Davidian you deserve at least A-Tier.

    • @taliesinpotter4097
      @taliesinpotter4097 2 роки тому +1

      @@Nestorglass if by dreadful you mean perfect for the era then absolutely, the spikey frosted tips and tracksuits were just the worst best 🤣

    • @Nestorglass
      @Nestorglass 2 роки тому +1

      @@taliesinpotter4097 I mean I get it but it felt kinda phony since they weren't sporting that style until 3 records in along with the sudden change to straight up nu metal

  • @AEtrane
    @AEtrane 2 роки тому +132

    From SOAD to the whole-ass continent of Europe, Finn putting everyone on maximum today!

  • @mourningwould7036
    @mourningwould7036 2 роки тому +13

    Amazing video finn! Here’s some Bands I’d love to see in a part 3: disturbed, dope, powerman 5000, static X, Snot, Primer 55, Hed P.e, fear factory, ill Nino, machine head and skindred

    • @swaqhetti
      @swaqhetti 11 місяців тому +1

      primer 55 is awesome dude they need more recognition

    • @dogfrosinos70
      @dogfrosinos70 7 днів тому +1

      Snot is s tier. Primer 55 b tier and static x a or s tier

  • @ServoDestroyer
    @ServoDestroyer 2 роки тому +6

    I remember downloading white pony on napster. It took 9hrs and I was so stoked. Finn just shat on that memory with that broootal rant.
    It was hilarious tho.

  • @GrihmWheel
    @GrihmWheel 2 роки тому +67

    Man, I couldn't disagree any more with you. But, damn do I love listening to you formulate opinions. You are articulate, humorous and passionate. For that, you have all my respect.

    • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
      @FinnMckentyPRMBA  2 роки тому +7

      🙏🏼

    • @sadmarinersfan8935
      @sadmarinersfan8935 2 роки тому +6

      Same way I feel like I disagree with a few things but it’s all for fun and opinions after all

  • @AvB.83
    @AvB.83 2 роки тому +79

    "I hate this band! S tier." And that's kind of one of the things we're here.
    I'd agree with Chino not being the greatest singer, but as with SOADs Serj (who I actually think is/was pretty good), there's something unique to their voice that makes him stand out.
    And with all the talk about "local bands"... you gotta have a lot of good local bands around :D

    • @Soldano999
      @Soldano999 2 роки тому +7

      Serj is one of the best singers of his generation

    • @gimo80
      @gimo80 2 роки тому +6

      Chino is sensual, super dynamic and is very Cure influenced. Love him.

    • @kirkalbert7972
      @kirkalbert7972 2 роки тому +4

      Chino's a good vocalist! He has a decent range, floods emotion, and booms with dynamics. Is his voice quality traditionally the most pleasant? Probably not. But all things considered, he kicks ass overall.

  • @h.9089
    @h.9089 2 роки тому +14

    You have to do your take on Incubus. They are criminally underrated.

    • @oops6876
      @oops6876 2 роки тому +5

      Incubus is my favorite band, but I have a feeling Finn would have nothing good to say about em. Lmao

    • @ZeroGITC
      @ZeroGITC 2 роки тому +1

      I love Incubus. Why does their individual and collective talent get overlooked so often? They could write and play in any genre they wanted to and artistically succeed.

    • @oops6876
      @oops6876 2 роки тому +1

      @@ZeroGITC in the words of Max from Eve 6, “they’re too smart.” lol

    • @josefk.122
      @josefk.122 Рік тому

      True.

  • @leadme2thebliss21
    @leadme2thebliss21 2 роки тому +10

    I remember seeing American Head Charge live at Ozzfest they were actually really good, and I was front row for Taproot too I loved it.

  • @InfamousQwaQwaFruit
    @InfamousQwaQwaFruit 2 роки тому +103

    Honestly really nice to hear you finally let your hate for SOAD fly after so many instances of apparent restraint. They're one of my favorite bands but goddamn is the fanbase a circle-jerk

    • @leoglasmeyer2853
      @leoglasmeyer2853 2 роки тому +7

      fr i can't get behind any of the reasons finn used to justify his hate. But at the same time the obnoxiousness of their fans kinda justifies it xD

    • @douglasmiranda4674
      @douglasmiranda4674 2 роки тому +3

      Hahaha same!! I’m glad he finally let it out. I mean, I always had a feeling he hated them. I’m here cracking up listening to him talk shit.
      Also, I’m a huge fan of SOAD. But Finn disliking them doesn’t affect me at all

    • @Sirriffsalot
      @Sirriffsalot 2 роки тому +4

      SOAD is over rated, liked them back in the day. Can’t stand them now a days.

    • @crazydud3380
      @crazydud3380 2 роки тому +17

      They are overrated, sure, but unique. He needs to explain his opinions on them better than "clean part ruins it". It is becoming pretty apparent he does not like a lot of dynamics in songs, and SOAD's weird start/stop song structures are going to really rub him the wrong way. Also, your wife giving you looks should not be a factor. It is entirely possible that she doesn't "get it". I mean, I don't like Spiritbox, and frankly I don't get it with them, but that is me personally. I'm not going to tell you they objectively suck because that is simply untrue.
      As for the fanbase, I am long past caring about that. My personal enjoyment is just that. I am not going to let a bunch of assholes ruin that for me.

    • @jasonlovesmusicreacting882
      @jasonlovesmusicreacting882 2 роки тому

      @@Sirriffsalot Same

  • @RobOfPsychostick
    @RobOfPsychostick 2 роки тому +98

    You said our name. Our drip is -1000.

    • @Beeza2996
      @Beeza2996 2 роки тому +4

      BEER IS GOOD!!!

    • @randybobandy9421
      @randybobandy9421 2 роки тому +6

      Not gonna lie, your antlers were on point. Definitely S tier in my opinion.

    • @David_Theisen
      @David_Theisen Рік тому

      Kick his ass Rawrb!!!!

  • @joshbhoy
    @joshbhoy 11 місяців тому +4

    Got to say I love Defotnes especially later Deftones where they are more soundscapey and chill. But I do love old Deftones too. Legit S tier.

  • @ReeceDK
    @ReeceDK 2 роки тому +1

    I love your second channel for all the jokes and witty commentary you pull off. Keep it up! 😂

  • @darrenbrown8877
    @darrenbrown8877 2 роки тому +50

    Never really been into nu metal but the first time hearing Deftones after growing up on Slowdive, Smashing Pumpkins and stuff like that Deftones blew me away
    Love the drawn out vocals all the reverb haha

  • @StephenRahrig
    @StephenRahrig 2 роки тому +49

    My thing with Deftones is their latter albums and how they dabbled into post-rock/metal shades combined with their signature sound. Really cool stuff.

    • @Georgeirfx
      @Georgeirfx 2 роки тому +5

      It's like many people fail to acknowledge them as a more complex entity just because of strong association with their "nu-metal" days. Even WP wasn't a nu-metal album (except some songs sounded like it), but the damage was already done

    • @down1tone
      @down1tone 2 роки тому +6

      And Ohms was straight fire. 🔥

    • @awilson816aw
      @awilson816aw 2 роки тому +2

      THIS^^💯!! What I personally look for is individuality and a unique sound. And Deftones have checked those boxes 1000 times

    • @aleksastamenkovic5526
      @aleksastamenkovic5526 2 роки тому +2

      @@awilson816aw They are so much more than just another generic nu metal band. Musically they are so many levels ahead of 80 % of the bands that were mentioned.

  • @NeinFeline
    @NeinFeline 2 роки тому +5

    12:46
    Yep, J was a bartender at the time also did Odd-jobs while he was funding his side projects "Pitchblack Forecast" and "Scelestus" amongst other projects. He also did merch for bands on tour and that's how he probably met Devin Townsend (who's featured on a PBF track) and also how he met the Atomic Clock Gene Hoglan who is the featured/recorded drummer for the Pitchblack Forecast band. PBF is somewhat similar to 216 but has a little bit more going for it with various cameos. He released the PitchBlack Forecast record and Meshuggah's "I" EP on his Fractured Transmitter label.
    He is a really cool/chill dude that could have been a MONSTER in the Thrash/NYCHxC scene if he wanted because he has a specific growl, like Randy Blythe has his.
    -a Mushroomhead Stan ✖️✖️

  • @seanpeltier8827
    @seanpeltier8827 2 роки тому

    One of my favorite videos you’ve done! I am a SOAD fan but you had some good points. Also, your Taproot comments made me laugh out loud!

  • @drummessiah88
    @drummessiah88 2 роки тому +104

    I always thought SOAD was an interesting band, especially in the pantheon of Nu-Metal/Alternative etc.. Musicianship was solid. Lyrics were interesting from a narrative POV. Their albums are better and most consistent than a lot of the bands around that time. Their music has also aged a lot better than their Nu-Metal contemporaries.

    • @atvena
      @atvena 2 роки тому +11

      They're easily one of the best metal bands since the new millennium if not since ever

    • @orionswift349
      @orionswift349 Рік тому +1

      100%

  • @adrianmurillo8778
    @adrianmurillo8778 2 роки тому +39

    Soad was all about the chaotic energy and frantic guitars mixed with the melodic choruses it was good and fresh. Heavy but sounded nothing like korn and nothing like a death metal band just different and new

    • @atvena
      @atvena 2 роки тому +1

      It's called alternative

  • @richringler2884
    @richringler2884 2 роки тому +3

    Good stuff! I miss Peabodys. Our band played there a few times back in the late 90s and early 2000s. We never did open for Mushroomhead but did play with Chimaira a few times back then. So many awesome local venues in the Cleveland area back then. The one I always remember was Pit Cleveland (think it was on or around W 44th). The elevator was broke and I had to carry my drums up three flights of stairs every time we played there. 🤣

  • @Goofballhero
    @Goofballhero Рік тому +7

    Not putting Deftones in S is INSANE dude. Utterly bonkers hot take

  • @darkhelix2456
    @darkhelix2456 2 роки тому +31

    I can appreciate that you hate SOAD with a passion but are still subjective enough to place them in S tier. Bravo Fin 👍🏼

  • @FearFrost
    @FearFrost 2 роки тому +49

    I was never a huge Deftone fan, I do like select tracks. However, I think they should be an S tier band for also bringing 7 string guitar into a more mainstream audience. Sure Korn had a large part to play, but so did the Deftones.

    • @alexmurphy9919
      @alexmurphy9919 Рік тому +1

      Not only 7-strings, but also 8-strings (they shifted towards 8-strings already in 2003, being influenced by Meshuggah - yep, Stephen Carpenter was a hardcore Meshuggah fan long before the Obzen)

  • @matthewcarpenter6202
    @matthewcarpenter6202 2 роки тому

    I hope you do a part 3 just cuz there's a lot of nu metal bands I love that I'd love to hear your opinion on like the band Dope for instance cuz i feel like they've always been very underrated

  • @honeybunches000
    @honeybunches000 2 роки тому +2

    Huge Deftones fan, totally understand your arguments. I've watched you make fun of Rats Rats Rats like 10 times now and it doesn't get old

  • @TheBigfootsfeet
    @TheBigfootsfeet 2 роки тому +30

    “Man this shit sucks” * goes and listens to a really low production cringe punk song from the late 80’s *

    • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
      @FinnMckentyPRMBA  2 роки тому +6

      Huh? I listen to rap and pop country

    • @TheBigfootsfeet
      @TheBigfootsfeet 2 роки тому +9

      @@FinnMckentyPRMBA there’s been a handful of times on stream/UA-cam where you’ve showed us punk songs that you loved when you were younger and they were just awful and you went on about how they still hold up great to this day when they really don’t. And no, I’m not some but hurt Nu metal kid upset about my favourite bands being in this video. It’s just good entertainment watching people talk about what they like and don’t like when they also have rose tinted glasses on

    • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
      @FinnMckentyPRMBA  2 роки тому +11

      Yes, I agree. I'm almost certainly blinded by nostalgia in those cases.

  • @theabacross1581
    @theabacross1581 2 роки тому +19

    As a Deftones and System Of A Down fan I died laughing when you talked about them, you're so entertaining! Good shit bro

    • @PivotPotato232
      @PivotPotato232 Рік тому +1

      Soad and deftones are quite literally my 2 favourite bands even outside of nu metal, it hurt a little when he said serj had shitty vocalist

  • @kirkalbert7972
    @kirkalbert7972 2 роки тому +5

    We need a part 3. Disturbed. Sevendust. Reveille (def E/F tier). Flaw. STAIND (A/B tier?). Drowning Pool. Systematic. Stereomud. Godsmack! Hoobastank, Chevelle, Early Incubus, Kid Rock 😱You've barely tapped the surface of both ends of this tier list!! Might require a part 4 as well. Come on my man!!

  • @nettlecider
    @nettlecider Рік тому

    would be interested to have a part 3 or in general thoughts of new bands that are doing that small nu metal revival, like Wargasm, Nova Twins etc

  • @Al-cy9qn
    @Al-cy9qn 2 роки тому +19

    I absolutely love Digital Bath. Deftones' drummer has this groove that Is undeniable. Not overly technical, but really fucking slick. As an aging drummer I tend to lean more towards unique grooves more than technical prowess.

  • @GoreIllaDubz
    @GoreIllaDubz 2 роки тому +57

    Wanted to type a whole rant about Deftones, but i dont wanna be that guy 😂 i just love em cuz they were the soundtrack to my youth and i like the "vibe"

  • @the_chandler
    @the_chandler 2 роки тому +5

    Honestly I think Deftones is way better than you're giving credit. Their early stuff definitely had the basic nu-metal vibe, but White Pony, and especially when you get into Diamond Eyes and Saturday Night Wrist and on, they bring in a lot of shoegaze, post-rock and ambient elements that set them apart from the rest of the alternative metal world. I'd say they're the only one on the whole list that's still putting out quality and acclaimed records through today. They might not be your shit, but they've been the only one to thrive after the death of nu-metal.

  • @justinman114
    @justinman114 Рік тому +4

    The magic of SOAD for me is a combination of the riffs, the harmonies, and the lyrics.

  • @Sweat404
    @Sweat404 2 роки тому +63

    Still listen to deftones on the regular

    • @joelmonteiro1419
      @joelmonteiro1419 2 роки тому +1

      Not a bad album so far.

    • @amx1820
      @amx1820 2 роки тому +1

      Still listen to every nu-metal band on a regular basis:))

    • @dalekay9ine
      @dalekay9ine 2 роки тому +4

      Cause they're still fuckin killin it. OHMS is a bad ass album. Better than most bands best album by far.

    • @slendervendetta6229
      @slendervendetta6229 2 роки тому +1

      Hell yeah. So do I and I consider them to be one of my favourite bands.

    • @christinalopez2487
      @christinalopez2487 2 роки тому +1

      Same af

  • @ShrugSzn
    @ShrugSzn 2 роки тому +26

    Oh shit him ripping SOAD so hard when I fucking love that band and that album specifically.

    • @ButtersDClown
      @ButtersDClown 2 роки тому +8

      Yeah I dont mind disagreements but it doesn't seem like finn has checked out soad the same way he did slipknot

    • @crazydud3380
      @crazydud3380 2 роки тому +3

      @@ButtersDClown Yeah, it comes off pretty ignorant.

    • @ShrugSzn
      @ShrugSzn 2 роки тому +2

      @@ButtersDClown well to be fair I can tell exactly why Finn or anyone doesn’t like SOAD tbh, but I normally agree with Finn on most of his opinions and takes but I’m not kidding myself with liking them. I think they’re legitimately a great band with badass music.

    • @ButtersDClown
      @ButtersDClown 2 роки тому

      @@ShrugSzn 100% agree, I hold nothing against him, we just have different taste which imo is kickass, but soad had more sounds than their radio hits

    • @ShrugSzn
      @ShrugSzn 2 роки тому +1

      @@ButtersDClown facts

  • @Name-xo8cg
    @Name-xo8cg 2 роки тому

    Found this guys channel a while ago pretty entertaining guy 👍 subbed

  • @steviesalazar3992
    @steviesalazar3992 2 роки тому +5

    Love both slipknot and nushroomhead but I’ve always leaned more towards mushroomhead simply for their diversity. Their early albums are great.

  • @49short
    @49short 2 роки тому +21

    I’ll always have that nostalgic love for Mushroomhead. Growing up in Cleveland they actually did a lot to help out a ton of local bands and they seemed to genuinely care about trying to get smaller bands in front of bigger crowds. Plus Stitch produced one of my favorite records from a local band which was the first Who Killed Marilyn record.

    • @gingeranagram2467
      @gingeranagram2467 Рік тому

      My band got to play with Mushroomhead in like 2010 and they were great... they were all about the younger bands

  • @Comradekostas
    @Comradekostas 2 роки тому +24

    You could make Taproot’s logo in Halo 3’s emblem creator

  • @YungMisfit20
    @YungMisfit20 Рік тому +1

    My boy Finn loves "chunk no captain chunk". They stay in his watched and recommended videos lol great band!

  • @velohench
    @velohench 2 роки тому +2

    I toured with the bass player from Taproot back in 2011.
    He was a super cool guy and a solid bass player. I'd totally play with him again given the chance.

  • @Soldano999
    @Soldano999 2 роки тому +9

    In 2000 white pony by Defrones was the album absolutely everyone was talking about. I'm not sure what happenned after that but for a moment they were the future of music.

    • @Tikitackfouls
      @Tikitackfouls 2 роки тому +2

      They got darker and more experimental till they released the more straightforward and casual 'Diamond Eyes' after their bassist got in a car wreck that he ultimately succumbed to in 2013

    • @barbaricbarbosa
      @barbaricbarbosa 10 місяців тому

      You missing out on some of their best music after white pony! My favorite album is around the fur 1997 but 2010 Diamond eyes is a tough tie with it! That’s when they came back to being great they always been good though

  • @parrisracing2370
    @parrisracing2370 2 роки тому +68

    Reasons i like Finn; we disagree about several musical opinions. And his reasons about why my favorite music sucks makes me laugh my ass off regardless lol because its all true lol

    • @Sirriffsalot
      @Sirriffsalot 2 роки тому +1

      His take on nu metal is hilarious. I got into rock through nu metal, looking back it’s a bit dated and cringe lol 😬 but still got a soft spot for nu metal

    • @Mr.Septon
      @Mr.Septon 2 роки тому +1

      The accuracy in this comment lol. I relate so much with what you have said. It's a good test on what I like and whether or not that like is more of a "guilty pleasure" versus truly amazing shit.

    • @StefanMedici
      @StefanMedici 2 роки тому

      I've just come across this, I like Deftones, but this made me laugh. I like this guy.

  • @MrRayGun115
    @MrRayGun115 Рік тому +5

    The SOAD slander is making me lose my mind

  • @ernestob7662
    @ernestob7662 Рік тому

    Whats ur opinion on ratm and prophets i feel like they set the stage for new metal alot even before korn and those gus

  • @dalekay9ine
    @dalekay9ine 2 роки тому +13

    About the production you said you loved is all Terry Date. He produced their first 4 albums and their newest album, Ohms. He's an amazing producer no doubt. Best drum sound in the game making Abe, who is one of the best and most creative drummers in rock period.

    • @aly5891
      @aly5891 2 роки тому

      Abe Cunningham?

    • @aly5891
      @aly5891 2 роки тому

      As in Deftones drummer? I think terry date also worked with bring me the horizon a long time ago and they def had their best albums with terry

  • @dasenase
    @dasenase 2 роки тому +9

    "a violent reaction" by American Headcharge is a great song and reminds me more of early meshuggah than anything.

  • @pokerabend1
    @pokerabend1 29 днів тому

    Got to give props/ probs.. I never get how to spell that correctly.. to you. Yes i'm a soad listener but tbf I also listen to Jazz, metal, uk hip hop and classical music. To the props/probs part you can differentiate, that has gone lost on many people. You seem like a guy to have a good conversation over music with and a laugh. The drip part took me back to my teen years XD... God I scroll long now to get to my birthdate XD
    Anyway, really fun content thanks for those videos :)

  • @MisterMosfet
    @MisterMosfet 2 роки тому +2

    Brooo cant believe I just heard 216 mentioned in a video, they went so fucking hard man

  • @sickofitall8486
    @sickofitall8486 2 роки тому +7

    Been eagerly anticipating this video since part one.
    “Karen meets Edward Scissorhands” was all I needed to hear to know part two is gonna be good.

  • @nepaliinstrumentals3682
    @nepaliinstrumentals3682 2 роки тому +35

    We need a part 3 with disturbed, evanescence and incubus.

    • @CeeJayThe13th
      @CeeJayThe13th 2 роки тому +4

      Is Incubus Nu-Metal? I never dug into their catalog but the singles are more like Nu-Pop or something. It's like a soft boy hard rock pop sound with a DJ.

    • @BloodringBanger
      @BloodringBanger 2 роки тому +1

      You can put a lot of nu-metal~ish bands here like Static-X, Fear Factory, etc, but they always were more into industrial side, just had those nu-metal riffs for the most part. I think it's better to keep this list pure nu-metal oriented. At least to save more butts from burning :D

    • @crazydud3380
      @crazydud3380 2 роки тому +3

      Evanescence?
      As for Disturbed, only their first album really qualifies as nu metal and, even then, just barely.

    • @laurisaarinen1126
      @laurisaarinen1126 2 роки тому +3

      None of them really nu metal. But i love Incubus, whatever it is.

  • @LuisMendez-uk2zo
    @LuisMendez-uk2zo 2 роки тому

    Dude, you just shredded me apart and I thank you! 🤣🤘🍻

  • @peazeralus
    @peazeralus 2 роки тому +4

    Honestly, you should give Taproot's album Gift a listen. There are a couple of songs that don't pass muster, but songs like Smile and Mirror's Reflection are certified hood classics.

  • @gghhyo5799
    @gghhyo5799 2 роки тому +25

    I legitimately love SOAD, but the Olive Garden Metal comment was hilarious

  • @agostocobain2729
    @agostocobain2729 2 роки тому +3

    This is such a smart segment of the show. Can’t wait for the others genres. Yo Adema bro

  • @tonyslark7368
    @tonyslark7368 Рік тому

    AHHH shit man i was in tears about you don't it has to do with that he smokes his weigh in weed quote was fucking hilarious love your channel brotha!

  • @lukasgestrine
    @lukasgestrine Рік тому

    Whats the old Deftones song that has a sick breakdown at the end I think?

  • @saranoelle3927
    @saranoelle3927 2 роки тому +57

    The “smoke weed” rant had me wheezing. 🤣 I felt that. Folks bother me.

    • @bennymountain1
      @bennymountain1 2 роки тому +7

      They enjoy getting baked. It's about time they got a proper roasting.

  • @petrinafilip96
    @petrinafilip96 2 роки тому +8

    I got into Deftones at ripe old age of 24 (literally this year) and I don't love ALL of their stuff but 2-3 albums they released are top tier imho. There is just something weirdly enjoyable about it. Also, you are really tearing into EVERYONE today. Laughed my ass off at this video, its amazing.

  • @brandonhanson9412
    @brandonhanson9412 2 роки тому +3

    Bro Taproot is amazing. Saw them 5 times, met them all twice. Very good live, the first 3 albums, like Korns first 4, are on my top 20 albums of all time.

    • @brandonhanson9412
      @brandonhanson9412 2 роки тому

      Love your videos and your input though. Even if I disagree on Taproot lol

  • @StefanoFontana11
    @StefanoFontana11 2 роки тому +1

    I fucking love this, I also know you hate when people mention other bands in the comments, but I think it would be awesome to hear what you think about Incubus

  • @myred3k
    @myred3k 2 роки тому +8

    I’d like to see some of the transition bands, incubus first 2 albums -
    Forgotten bands - Snot - glass jaw- Atreyu
    Sevendust

    • @aly5891
      @aly5891 2 роки тому

      I was so surprised that incubus wasn’t on the list but I suppose they have not been considered “nu metal” since after Make Yourself

    • @oops6876
      @oops6876 2 роки тому

      @@aly5891 I still think that album sounds timeless, even though some of the guitars sound pretty 90’s alt metal. They’re fuckin geniuses, imo

    • @brikatksu
      @brikatksu 2 роки тому

      Does Atreyu really fall into Nu Metal?

  • @hevstettler8958
    @hevstettler8958 Рік тому +57

    SOAD is the only band I would pay any amount of money to see live again. I saw them at a festival before even really getting into them and was blown away. S tier for sure

    • @andrewwinslow9315
      @andrewwinslow9315 Рік тому

      As much as System are incredible, live they have little energy. Serj doesn't sing like he used to, because he doesnt want to, not because he can't. You can tell the rest of the band and Serj just have an awkward relationship. If this was 2003, Hell Yes. But it's sad how they've fallen

    • @nuynobi
      @nuynobi Рік тому

      I saw SOAD roundabout 2005. They sucked live. I was so disappointed. But The Mars Volta opened for them and blew my fucking socks off! The place was still half empty too. What a shame. That was back when they still had Theodore on drums. So yeah, I wouldn't waste the money to see System again.

    • @gentelmanjunkie542
      @gentelmanjunkie542 Рік тому

      Saw them a couple times early 2000s they weren't like the best live band but it was a great show regardless. Don't let bad reviews keep you from going to see them if they ever tour again.

    • @ryanthompson1244
      @ryanthompson1244 11 місяців тому

      ​@@andrewwinslow9315I never understood why Serj delegated more of the lead vocals after Toxicity. Serj's voice is the reason for much of their early success and his voice is far superior to Daron Malakian's voice.

  • @psychoof78
    @psychoof78 2 роки тому +5

    Deftones have been my favorite band since 1995, and I love the fact that Finn McKenty doesn’t like them

  • @mynameisfatmike6742
    @mynameisfatmike6742 2 роки тому +3

    Based Finn, brutally dismantles my childhood but is objective and puts bands in their proper tier. This man is the real deal

  • @skullknight2008
    @skullknight2008 Рік тому +2

    The beautiful thing about music is everyone has a different ear for music. The problem with judging music is it is almost impossible to objectively say something is better than another. You can definitely make a list from best to worst in terms of sales, but if a band is big enough for us to know their names at all, it is almost impossible that they aren't SOMEBODY'S favorite band. Music transcends reason, and sometimes you hear a song after something happened in your life and it just clicked in your head how much it speaks to you.

  • @andyspendlove1019
    @andyspendlove1019 2 роки тому +16

    I’ma go ahead and be that guy and say that “Toxicity” is definitely one of SOAD’s most creatively basic hit songs; not their most innovative or interesting. And I’m not even talking about going for some deep cut instead. Other hit songs like “Question,” “BYOB,” or “Sugar” are more representative of their best work creatively.

    • @atvena
      @atvena 2 роки тому

      Exactly right he got lucky choosing that one

  • @jamestyler9894
    @jamestyler9894 2 роки тому +7

    Deftones rant, a true highlight of Finn's media career.👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @potatorts3056
    @potatorts3056 Рік тому +4

    The shoegazing elements are what set Deftones apart. If that’s not what you’re into theres nothing wrong with that, but if you are there’s nobody that can replicate their sound.

  • @imustkeepremindingmyselfofthis
    @imustkeepremindingmyselfofthis 2 роки тому

    Have you considered grading the discography of the band Paradise Lost?

  • @massttrshrdrharmonicminor2002
    @massttrshrdrharmonicminor2002 2 роки тому +28

    Soad is not the most talented band,
    Toxicity is a great album
    Steal this album great album

    • @dalekay9ine
      @dalekay9ine 2 роки тому +4

      The first album is truly great!!! Shit...

    • @massttrshrdrharmonicminor2002
      @massttrshrdrharmonicminor2002 2 роки тому +3

      @@dalekay9ine true,
      Very cool guitar parts.
      If soad was white and Chad af
      Finn would love them

    • @DanzGmod565
      @DanzGmod565 2 роки тому +2

      Hypnotize was a good album
      Mesmerize was a good album

  • @Reece_Hart
    @Reece_Hart 2 роки тому +8

    I was just sitting here trying to enjoy my juice and then Finn comes in and completely hands my 15 year old musical taste to me on a platter. That sounded like you've been holding onto that SOAD rant for a long time 😂

  • @Mistrudels
    @Mistrudels Рік тому

    I respect your opinions. I also exercise my right to say your opinions on some of these bands are so jaded snd skewed that I'm not really sure why you took time to even make a tier list

  • @MrCaquita23
    @MrCaquita23 2 роки тому +1

    Coal chamber second album was influential in my opinion. They added a heavy use of keyboards with different sounds in each song. After them Mr. Hahn from Linkin park did an excellent job adding non traditional sounds to their music.

  • @ProgrammedForDamage
    @ProgrammedForDamage 2 роки тому +4

    I can't believe I've never heard the word "shants" before. My world has expanded. Also, 'Elite' is my favourite Deftones song too, so I tip my hat.

  • @kevindie
    @kevindie 2 роки тому +48

    *_Finn: “That riff is so fucking generic, bro! So cringe!”_*
    *_Stephen: “I wrote that in ‘97…”_*
    *_Finn: “Pfff, it’s such an overdone riff. It sounds like every other fucking nu-metal band, dude.”_*
    *_Stephen: “Because I wrote that riff back in ‘97…”_*

    • @hoovy1163
      @hoovy1163 2 роки тому +8

      Lol that's exactly what I was thinking. It sounds generic to him because almost every nu metal band that came afterwards took the influence from deftones or sometimes straight out ripped them off. Finn didn't bother researching lmao

    • @graydrive5796
      @graydrive5796 2 роки тому +2

      @@hoovy1163 I think he's just a mediocre troll tbh

    • @hoovy1163
      @hoovy1163 2 роки тому +3

      @@graydrive5796 Probably. He is a little too biased towards nu metal that's for sure.
      He literally put AHC on the lowest tier, are you telling me that people like most of the bands on the tiers above (except A and S) better than AHC? Especially Taproot? And even Mushroomhead deserved to be higher. Nu metal fans in general adore this band.

    • @Mr.Septon
      @Mr.Septon 2 роки тому +3

      @@hoovy1163 I don't get the love for Mushroomhead or American Head Charge personally. I probably would have put Mushroomhead a little lower on the list myself.
      Also on the issue of him having a bias against Nu-Metal, duh, he's more from what the Pop-Punk scene or whatever. Nu-Metal has never been something that he has specifically been a champion of. Considering it's not his genre, I thought that his list came off just fine for his own personal take on things.

    • @katdee224
      @katdee224 2 роки тому +1

      Holy f the username checks out 🙃🤣

  • @cooraa
    @cooraa 2 роки тому

    Great video dude- I am only a surface level nu metal fan but this was hilarious :D