RAP METAL SUCKS! Change my mind.
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2021
- Does rap-metal suck? I look at a few bands including Fever 333, Candiria, UnityTX, Cipher, Hacktivist, Ghostemane, and DSVR to find out (spoiler warning: yes, it does suck).
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Maybe do one on Rap Rock....?
This is your worst video yet lmao
Could you bring up bands like Currents and Mercocet to the table. I want to hear a live opinion/discussion.
Candiria “Rap Metal” ?? Thats a huge stretch. They have rap songs, they have way more metal songs then rap, never in the same song and then what about their Jazz songs? So in this case they should be Rap Jazz Metal then? Lol Candiria is the worst example i think, that aside im glad your giving them praise they deserve!
Finn who are you trying to be? The Punk rock Steven Crowder?
Lol my jaw dropped when you pulled up my article. I thought “hey I just wrote about rap metal” and BOOM. That was fun to watch thanks Finn fr.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for including Candiria in your article !
@@markfebrizio why would I NOT? They rule! I’ll take any opportunity to shout them out.
That article looked very interesting.
@@JaredtheRabbit well
If you ever find it be sure to comment something very angry about me not including Body Count, apparently that’s what you’re supposed to do 🤪
"People talk shit about Rap Metal until they get punched in the face".
~ Mike Tyson
Don't know why that proper made me laugh XD
I believe Tyson is more of a Motown man.
Finn: rap metal sucks
*Me casually adding each song to my playlist*
Such fucking facts
Hyro the Hero
You need help lmao
also add Bloodywood
Me: I’m digging this!
Finn: This is not good.
EVERY. DAMN. TIME.
I feel your pain
And that's absolutely fine. Love what you love and fuck what anyone else says. Taste is subjective.
@@jesse3715 taste is subjective, quality sure ain't. That's what bothers me the most when finn brushes tracks with "this isn't good" but then doesn't substantiate. If he's gonna make claims of quality, he needs to back those claims up.
@@mynameisredundant6507 the phrase "way too british" sums up the bias straight out the gate
@@pjmonkeyjohnson yeah, pretty much.
1:29 "Rap is cool, Metal is cool, but in my opinion...Rap and Metal together? Not so good."
Except for the fact that you love trap metal.
That's because Finn only actually listens to SoundCloud/top 40 rap.
I was gunna say that!
So glad to see Candiria on the list, so experimental: hip hop, prog, Hardcore, psychedelia and free form jazz. They didn’t get nearly enough respect
Oooh I haven't even seen th video and I was gunna mention them!
They were btbam before btbam was btbam lol If Candiria are still open to touring, I feel like btbam should take them out.
@@dylanwilson811 wdym, if candiria was a band they would be taking out btbam, not the other way around.
Hahaha “Rap Metal Sucks”
ONE MONTH LATER:
Punk Rock MBA uploaded a new video “What makes Trap Metal the greatest genre since Nu Metal?” Lol
Finn: metal fans needs to embrace trap metal
Also finn: there is no good rap metal
Bro what
Don't try to understand it in a week he'll be mad at someone else for saying rap metal sucks even though he just said it
Cause the kids like it. That's the only reason.
I think "trap metal" refers to trap with metal influences while this is more metal with rap influences
Hes an idiot that contradicts himself all the time. He can never make up his mind
Idk if Dropout Kings, is considered this, but i adore them. They are a blast
touring with HED PE right now. Awesome live.
Dropout Kings are probably currently the best at this rap metal thing
@@speeedwaagon not trying to be that guy who advertises his own song but you might like it if you enjoy Dropout Kings. It features Adam of DK, it's not really metal but definitely rap/rock blend
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They’re a FANTASTIC band
I've always loved Rage Against The Machine, the whole band, and also I think the first two Linkin Park albums are classic, especially Hybrid Theory
Listen to Guerrilla warfare
Cool
Absolutely, 2 of my favorite bands, this takes me back...my husband put on Rage Against the Machine the first time I came to his apartment ❤️
If you want to hear Rap Metal done right, check out Cypress Hill's second half of Skull n Bones :-)
Finally, a person of culture
Check out Boo Yaa Tribe- Metally Disturbed. They’ve been doing that stuff years before.
Totally. I think Bones is one of the best examples of rap metal done very right. It knows exactly what it is.
Loved skull and bones
So good!!
Public Enemy and Anthrax Bring The Noise is a great example of both genres being merged together very well.
80s?
That and Aerosmith and Run DMC
Fever 333 is basically Rage Against the Machine lite, but Letlive, the singer’s previous band, is very good
Also Jason's band Pressure Cracks is pretty good. Fever 333 is definitely the worst of his 3 bands.
fake history was great glassjaw worship but i didnt like the albums after
I prefer Fever 333 due to them having more melody than RATM.
Or zebrahead
@@keithknutson378 another good one! Falling apart is 🔥
Dude, DVSR is a killer rap metal band
I agree
Came here to say this
They are good but it’s the same issue, fast loud talking over heavy music.
Wearing their t-shirt right now. They slap man. Finns wierd sometimes
Was just gonna comment this. Six Figures Deep absolutely slaps.
At the risk of namedropping, many years ago, I once found myself at an after-show jam session with a few of the Candiria guys at a friend's practice space and I watched Ken sit down at their drumset go through over a dozen pairs of drumsticks, snapping them like they were chopsticks. An absolute monster...like almost legit scary.
I really thought Hed Pe was amazing. But yeah most rap metal, even the big hits of the day, just don’t hold up as well as Hed Pe did when the record industry had faith they’d blow up to that household name level with their contemporaries. But it just never happened and fell apart on them. And then that’s when they turned DIY or die and to this day they continue to put out albums and tour.
@Skip Mickmack I’d say their Facebook is the most up to date location for their tours and whatnot!
Hed PE for life
Warped Tour RATM is a great way to describe Fever, a combination of two of my favorite things.
Skindred, although it's more ska inspired, is a great band in this style.
They come more out of ragga and dancehall.
not rap metal, but thank you for reminding me of them! Babylon is a crazy fun album from top to bottom!
Ah yeah that song that everyone played on mx vs atv on ps2 hahaha
@@coulombeQC I think I discovered them on one of the Need for Speed games :D
Just saw them with (hed)p.e. not long before covid. Talk about a stroll through nostalgia.. lol
Was hoping to see the NJ legends on this list, E Town Concrete. I cant lie, I love the song “Mandibles”. Saw them right before Covid and it was a really fun show.
Unfortunately, that's the best rap metal song I've ever heard.
ETC! I guess this is the channel I'd stumble across someone else who knows who they are.. lol
@@willrunriot hahah, yup!
The Renaissance from e town concrete is a great fucking record!
@@netogame7727 Listening to some more of their stuff the last few days. It really is pretty unique. Plus that show I went to was insanely good.
That Maximum the Hormone song from Death Note has a whole ass rap interlude in it and that song is amazing.
Zetsubou Billy i think
Dude, Ryo does tons of rapping.
Maximum the hormone is possibly the best Rap metal band. Their might be unknown bands that are underground that do it good around the world as well.
Hacktivist are fantastic! I really wouldn't start from that song. Their first EP would be the best place to start if you're not familiar with their music.
Dropout Kings also released a great album this year called GlitchGang
Drop out kings? I thought they were a joke
@@nihilistnico Check out "Kombat" by "DayShell". It features "Drop out Kings" and is actually a pretty good song.
Agreed! I think Finn definetly should have checked out Armoured Core
It wouldn't matter which song he chose, he went on with a massive bias.. decided on almost every song within the first 5 seconds
Agreed, I love hacktivists but I wasn't a fan of the song they chose to feature
I heard DOWNSET for the first time like 6 years ago and I fucking love them I definitely think they are the best at this.
I found some old Downset CDs in a bargain bin when I was a teenager. I had no idea who they were I just wanted to spend some pocket money, Best impulse buy ever.
“EMPOWER!!!”
Do We Speak A Dead Language? is one of my favorite records ever.
Longtime listener, first-time caller:
Rap and metal, like all cousins, were never meant to merge
RATM made Cleopatra with their first album and that’s pretty much the only rap-metal album worth listening to.
Everyone else should just pick a side and do it well
And also, Downset was good but Biohazard’s State of the World Address was pretty much as good as it’ll ever get for that genre
I don't think rap and metal are as close cousins as rap is in relation to punk or hardcore. Very different cultures as well.
The new videos are really good, I appreciate all the hard work you put into these. Keep it going with the new direction Finn, we will keep watching/listening
Thanks!
None of this is really for me either, but saying “a bit too British” is a pretty unfair criticism. You just don’t like their accent.
@@grievuspwn4g3 Yeah grime and uk hip hop (and drill for that matter) are different genres at least historically, grime being an offshoot of dub and garage etc. but i can see how someone unfamiliar with the genres could mix them up. Especially considering that they both feature rapping and are influenced by Jamaican music. Its kinda like convergent evolution to me but they are definitely distinct genres.
As for the original comment, i think not liking and accent is a fair criticism as long as its honest. I disagree with it since I always feel like an accent gives vocals a more distinct and interesting sound but if it bothers someone i feel like thats fair. What is criticism other than stating what you enjoy or dont enjoy about a particular sound? Cultural biases are a huge part of why people enjoy certain music.
We just need to tell him he sounds too American 😂
Yeah grime evolved from UK garage
Happy to see Hed p.e. positively mentioned in so many comments. I still listen to them today and i think they don't get the respect they deserve
Hey can you recommend any hard core that has jazzy parts like that ? I haven’t heard anything like that. Is there a genre of “jazz core” ? If there is I think it’s for me ..
I'm kind of in agreement with you. There was a time when rap metal seemed like it was going to be the future of music but nobody ever topped the early rock/metal/rap collaborations and attempts: Anthrax/PE, Run DMC/Aerosmith, the Judgement Night sound track, Body Count, Rage Against the Machine. Aside from rage, none of those early attempts were great but the genre showed promise but unfortunately the novelty wore off everything went down hill from there. The only thing rap metal I've been able to get through a full listen in the last 30 years has been Body Count - their recent stuff is just as fun as their classic album from the early 90s
Yep exactly
Same Body Count’s Bloodlust made want the genre to have a future, I thought it was so good it kind of reawakened my appreciation for Rap Metal (done well).
You've briefly mentioned them before, but Ocean Grove is fucking incredible. They have more of a quirky, 90's alt-rock thing going on then most of these bands, though.
Love Ocean Grove ! Their new album is a mix of a lot of 90 and 00 stuff, theyre pretty unique.
I really enjoy Flip Phone Fantasy.
Rap metal is the epitome of "a guilty pleasure" for me 😂 i may cringe at some of Fever 333's "bars" but dammit, I can't help but love them
would suggest bloodywood then. THEY DO IT RIGHT!
Raa you name dropped TRC!! I grew up in that London hardcore scene so I hold that band close to my heart. I also generally do like rap metal/funk metal/rapcore/hardcore with rap vibes (Downset, E-Town Concrete, Biohazard, some Irate etc..) so I do dig that kind of stuff. Weirdly I don't listen to much rap/hip hop on its own.
Personally, I think where the disconnect is is that both styles, rap and metal, focus on 2 almost opposing elements. Metal is often a loud, busy, hyper energetic product with vocals that embody a lot of that emotion in them. Rap is usually more subdued and the vocals and lyrics are the clear focus, with overbearing beats often seen as a negative.
Granted those are both broad generalizations, but when it's hard to even hear your lyrics and understand them over the drums and guitar, it definitely detracts heavily from the rap element. And toning down the metal aspects of it to play up the rap obviously take away from that part.
The only ways it works is to switch back and forth between both, like Linkin Park does (and I know they aren't considered rap metal, or even metal at all by a lot of people). On Guilty All The Same, they really played down the music to focus on Rakim's raps and Chester's vocals during the verses, the same they do for Mike in the verses of Faint.
>with overbearing beats often seen as a negative.
I don't know about that. N.W.A., Bomb Squad, Boodie Down Prod., all those reverred late 80s hardcore hip-hop acts have bombastic beats. Also, don't forget a lot of them yelled when they rapped. That's also when rap-metal began to shape itself. I think it works. Plus, trap-metal is more or less the same thing (I think the term "trap-metal" is misleading though, should've been called "industrial trap" or something.)
@@bzchoy depends on what you consider overbearing, really. A lot of rap/hip-hop beats seem loud and such in the beginning but are typically very consistent or repetitive and can be tuned out. Because rock music typically has a band actually playing the track there tends to be more involvement and evolution throughout the track, with drum fills, guitar solos, etc.
I say typically because there are plenty of examples that contradict these themes and plenty that reinforce them. As far as rap goes, lets take Busta Rhymes for example. Pass the Courvoisier Part 2 is very much subdued and chill, while Pass the Courvoisier Part 1 is much busier song with a lot of adlibs and a lot of elements to the beat. And with rock just compare how most of MEtallica's biggest hits like One or Nothing Else Matters to songs like Battery and Fuel.
@@OGFacelessKing Both of your Busta Rhymes examples are subdued compared to N.W.A. - "Straight Outta Compton", Public Enemy - "Bring the Noise", LL Cool J - "Mama". Now that's some aggressive rapping over aggressive beats, all of which were hits. Granted, they're from a different era, but it was that same era that rap metal took form. It was just a natural conclusion: rap was aggressive, metal is aggressive.
Yes, rap beats are repetitive but simple and catchy and can be tuned out. Rap metal is the same by the way: riffs in that genre are repetitive but simple and catchy and can be tuned out, even RATM and especially bands from the nu-metal era.
i was wondering, could you leave the streams as videos afer they ended at least for a day cause for me and probably many others that dont live in the U.S it can be hard to keep up with the streams since they start and end super late here and tbh i just want to watch the whole thing from the start.
Finn shouting out a nu-metal band that then tries to roast him for calling them exactly what they are. Damn.
They hated him Finn because he told the truth.
I can't believe you've never heard of Stuck Mojo. They're the best rap/metal band ever.
Declaration of a hunterhead Is pure gold
Love stuck mojo
FUCK YES, Bonz is a straight bad ass
I liked their song Fucking for $$
I owned Declaration but I couldn’t get into it. Now Stuck M is in Fozzy.
Rap metal has so much untouched potential
I loved Dangerkids, I don't really know if I'd call them metal though. More like Post-Hardcore Linkin Park.
Falling in Reverse and From Ashes to New are also good. I don't think I'd call either of them metal either though.
Isn’t falling in reverse kinda rap metal? I mean technically FIR is more metalcore. Also you got a find it hilarious when those bands who say they are not insert blank are insert blank lol
It is at times
At least Ronnie has real street cred
That’s More Melodic
I guess British rap/culture doesn't translate well to Americans geeeeze 😮😂 but I'm happy I finally disagree with you on something Finn. Grime is fucking brilliant and goes harder than most new American rappers nowadays
@@rorz999 I bet he hates UK drill lmao
Gassed Up is 🔥
It’s the accent man it’s makes it verrrry hard to take seriously
@@bobbytabernacle I think there's a cultural discordance then, cause I find it difficult to take American rap/trap/drill seriously past 2010 😂 often it's very overblown and insipid.
@@benkendall5562 hey I won’t disagree with you there. I’m down for some suggestions I’m always open minded and admittedly don’t know much about what grime or drill even is. But if one person calls someone a wanker in a serious tone I’m laughing my ass off and that’s my American right
Hey Dude,
I’m not sure if you have ever done a video about Death Grips. I think you may have mentioned them before. I’m curious to see you do a video on the group at some point. I love your work man!
Bionic Jive is often overlooked even though they were probably my favorite rap metal band with two incredibly competent MCs. They were an interscope band that toured with Eminem.
@@Ninjamanhammer If you like Bionic Jive then you might like Dirty Wormz.
This article just said "Rap Metal? Here's some HARDCORE!"
I love it when people assume Hardcore Punk and metal are the same lols
Haha, loved hearing Downset get a shout out! In 1998 I gave a presentation in my high school Spanish class about Downset, their background and their little feud with RATM. I even brought in a boom box to play parts of some of their Spanish songs. Ended up getting a B because my teacher made a big deal out of me saying “palabras” instead of “lyricos “. Tried to argue (in Spanish) that you sing lyrics and rap words, to no avail. Anyway, love the band and the channel!
I can't believe you just threw Sage Francis into the same type of hip hop as choppa/Midwest backpack stuff.
You're so far off base there.
Yeah no shit! Sage is from Providence and EL-P is from NYC.
I love Fire From the Gods. AJ is an amazing front man. I would say they're definitely more than a Rap Rock band though. Love the content Finn!
I saw them supporting The Hu, good steam live.
Dude had a feature on the new tallah track, blew me away. Not only was he great, but I thought fire from the gods was essentially broken up, seemed like a pleasant surprise.
@@mynameisredundant6507 the original singer of the band is in a band called Backwordz BUT it's not a soyboy milk drinker liberal band so they don't get mainstream attention.
@@bry10101 Now that you mention it, I can definitely draw some comparisons.
On god, the feature he had on Notions' Toothtaker was sick as fuck, easily the highlight of the track.
Yeah backwordz are a way batter band than the gods
Damn I wish you had some more germans in your stream, this scene was actually pretty big in germany a few years back. The situation is a little bit different as the rapper was usually better than the instrumentals. If you got some time you might wanna check out the Ruffiction Hool777 EP or The Butcher Sisters
While I do my best to maintain a varied collection of rap metal songs aswell, i literally only have it for social settings with friends because its the only genre that is metal enough for me yet stilll popculture enough for others
Cipher is definitely a hardcore band. The first hardcore show I ever went to, back in 2005 when I was 15, they were the touring headliner at a local rec center and I bought some CDs from the guitarist that were on Uprising Records. They also had some literature on veganism and straight edge I seem to recall.
when I was 14 I couldn’t for the life of me figure out who sang that “Anger” song… plagued me for months!!! 20+ years later and I am finally at peace! Thank you Finn + Downset 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Hell, I couldn’t remember the name of the band for a year.
New album out now
If you can find that Downset album, it’s top tier front to back. Anger used to annoy me, but now I love it. I have a sense that Downset would destroy RATM onstage, but I’m definitely biased.
I respect you, but I can't take your rap opinions seriously.
I don't take his metal opinions seriously.Here we are,though.It's ok to talk about it.
when he said he didn't like MF DOOM's music I knew that his rap opinions are not the best, but I mean if you want rap opinions you don't watch someone who mostly listens to rock/metal
What are thoughts on the Judgement Night sound track?
Not sure if they’ve been mentioned, but the band Boxcutter was great. It was Stikman from Fury of Five with a few of the guys from what is now Wisdom in Chains.
Also curious if E Town Concrete can count for this discussion? (I haven’t finished the video yet so if you mentioned them my bad.)
Met Fire from the Gods 2 years ago and completely loved them, idk if id call it rap metal but they definitely got elements of both. Good solid guys, deff recomend them
I like the Hed PE self titled. It had a lot of attitude, much better than Limp Bizkit.
100%
IMO: Only in Amerika was amazing, and again IMO a great example of rap+metal+punk mix
17:00 what do you think about Hindsight? I personally like it much more then 'Look at yourself'.
I’m glad I found your second channel man I love your videos. As far as the question is rap metal good or not it’s just like asking if any type of music or any television show or any movie is good or not. There’s nothing wrong if someone doesn’t like rap metal but when it comes to music it’s kind of hard to say what’s good and what’s bad because everyone’s got a different preference. I tend to not like videos where people break down rap metal and then they List the reasons why they think it’s socks and mostly the reasons are because it’s easy to play on guitar, there’s not really any guitar solos, and what the songs are about . I watched this one video where it was a diehard metalhead who loved 80s thrash and death metal and black metal and basically the reason he said it sucked could’ve very well been a list of reasons why he thinks rap music sucks in general. He was trying to write off that everyone that like that rap metal in the late 90s early 2000s wouldn’t listen to it today and would just be embarrassed by it and that everyone was following a trend. I don’t think that’s the case. I mean if RATM put out an album today I think people would like it. I also grew up listening to metal and rap for about 10 years before we started getting rap metal and I can’t say that every rap metal band is good just like I can’t say every metal band or every rapper is good. That’s the one thing I don’t get about Nu Metal and Rap Metal is that no one really dissects them like they do other genres in music they just throw it all in as one.
Growing up listening to bands like Metallica and Pantera and also listening to rappers like Tupac, ice cube, Snoop Dogg, etc. I really loved a lot of the rap metal stuff. I loved RATM and the reason I don’t listen to Limp Bizkit or Kid Rock Today not because I Was following a trend. I don’t listen to them today because they stop making good music. To this day I still think the two first Limp Bizkit albums are great, I think Kid Rock’s first album is amazing. But they quit making music like that. If you go and listen to the fourth album Kid Rock put out and then go listen to the fourth album Limp Bizkit put out….It doesn’t sound anything like their first records.
If we’re just going to say rap metal sucks every band and album sucks then you’re really saying that rage against the machine sucks and I think most of us like that band. RATM stayed consistent. I really loved the first LINKIN PARK album but after that they kind of went too much on the pop side for my taste, and I don’t hate the band or anything like that for doing that those guys sell tens of millions of records but after their first album I just wasn’t into them anymore. And I never once quit listening to regular hip-hop or metal just because I like to rap metal. Honestly most of the rap metal bands never reached what I thought what could’ve been a very good sound. I thought maybe after I heard the second Limp Bizkit album that they would go that direction but they just made songs about crying over old girlfriends for the next decade after that. I think POD is a great band, I can’t really see they really fell off I think they were more of a victim of the backlash of metal elitist that hated that hip-hop had found its way into metal and by the mid2000 it was the most shunned type of rock music you could find.
I really don’t think outside of RATM and any of those bands ever stayed true to what they were except for some of the bands that really never made it big or as big but because the whole scene got banished and thrown into a hole because of the sins of Fred Durst then they never really got a chance.
I will say this about a lot of rap metal or rap rock and I can understand why people don’t like it and it’s because of what I said about Limp Bizkit , Kid Rock, and Linkin Park. Those are probably the three biggest rap metal groups right there and all three of them went way over to the pop side after two or three or even one album. By their third and fourth albums it wasn’t really that much wrapping anymore and if it was it would only be 30 or 40% of the song that had any wrapping in it because the rest of it was singing like a popstar and I don’t blame rock fans for not liking that. I always wanted a band that was more of a mix between Pantera and Tupac because most of the rap metal bands we got never really got there, they were more of a mix between Green Day Ja Rule. They weren’t very dangerous they really weren’t that edgy and they didn’t get that deep. I think there were a couple of bands that kind of had a shot to do this but they never made it big I think primer 55 and hed PE were bands that could’ve potentially done that but because everyone started hating that music no one was going to give them a chance after that.
At the end of the day it’s OK if someone doesn’t like rap metal and it’s OK if someone really likes it. But I don’t think we can determine whether it’s good music or bad music because it’s all based on preference. When those bands all first came out and we’re doing their original sound they all sold millions of records because a lot of people like that music. So it’s kind of hard to say because so many of those bands that were doing rap metal went so far onto the Pops side and it just sounded lame after that that will never really know. What if the third and fourth Limp Bizkit album was just as aggressive without Fred Durst crying and whining and singing all over it and reminded you of their second album? What if Kid Rock didn’t go country and turn into a right wing conservative nut job? Nothing wrong with being a conservative but it doesn’t matter what side of the aisle you are on there is a such thing as taking it too far. When the biggest acts in the genre all go to the pop side the same year then of course the original fan base probably isn’t going to keep supporting them anymore. It would’ve been interesting to see how long it would’ve lasted if the three biggest artist in rap metal kept doing what they were originally doing. Because I still think those albums are good and I know a lot of other people that think that as well it’s not like I’m on an island by myself. Now if you ask the guy with the deicide shirt on about this of course he’s going to say it sucks he’s going to say everything but death metal sucks. Like I’m not a fan of country music but can I see country music is bad or is it just not a genre for me? Country music sells millions of records every year and there’s a lot of people that like it so I don’t feel right on saying it’s bad music that sucks it’s just not music for me. And I think that’s the way a lot of rap metal it is for a lot of other people..
I really would like to see a video of what you think of Yavid. That’s David Gunn from King 810 solo rap stuff. Personally I think it’s fucking awesome he is an awesome visual story teller.
Dang, I wish I’d been in that chat haha! My guilty pleasure rap/metal song is GlitchGang by Dropout Kings. Not sure if it’s actually rap/metal but I love it and it gets me pumped for cardio
What are your thoughts on the band Backwordz with front man Eric July?
I like eric
Months ago I listened Gridiron. They only have 2 eps and in my opinion their music is a totally banger. Great mix between hardcore and rap. I hope more people know about them.
Surrealistic Madness is an amazing album. I used to listen that in the dark while playing OG Resident Evil lol
I would like to see a video on the subject of rap, either here or in your main channel.
Kinda late to the scene LOL, but I would suggest you check out the band From Ashes To New, specifically their songs Bulletproof and/or Farther From Home! They have a very different sound than most bands you checked out, they might be rap rock or punk instead of rap metal, I don't really know, but they have a really interesting sound. (Kinda like Linkin Park if Linkin Park had a 7-string and were more djent-y?? XD)
EDIT: Would also suggest Blackout by Solence, Solence is an awesome band with lots of good songs, but Blackout is the most rap-ish of them I think
Did hacktivist dirty lmao. saw them live a few days ago in London and the show was absolutely insane.
Same haha. Should have picked Hyperdialect or Armoured Core lol
I love Hacktavist and rap metal in general so I'm going to have to respectfully disagree on this video Finn, keep up the good work though 👍
Kind of annoyed that like three seconds of vocals on Hacktavist "hmm, this is horrible." Man when into it already intending to hate it.
@@poncho7626 I'm listening to Asteroid Boys rn and their stuffs 🔥.
Finn never states what type of rap vocals he finds acceptable. Anything that's flow-y or technical: "White boy nerd shit", anything not like that: "well that's not hip-hop, that's X", fucked if you do, fucked if you don't, and good forbid anyone from outside the states should spit the way they actually talk.
Thank you!
lol, i better don't watch this video then after all xD roasting my fav bands won't help 😂
So glad you played Astroid Boys. their live shows are insane!! Reminds me of the Slipknot early days shows. Love every band you played. Sure, its not ""good"" music, but its music that makes me feel so fucking good. Simple, heavy, unpretentious and just really good fun. It was actually Deftones that got me into rap-metal with some of their rappy songs on Adrenaline. HED PE, whilst hated by many, is easily my favourite band. No other band I have ever heard before has blended so many styles, and is genuinely as down to earth and connected with the fans. Jahred is going on 60 and still puts on an epic show. Last saw them play in Prague, when they did "pay what you want" show. Threw £80 at them :)
What about that band called "3rd Strike"? Are they rap metal? I used to listen to their album "Lost Angel"
Bring the noise from PE and Anthrax is and will always be a banger
Damn straight 🔥🤘
I wouldnt call ghoste or scarlxrd rap metal, though they take influences from both. Except for Ghostemanes actual industrial metal albums and songs that he does, both him and scar are more just rap with metal influences.
They are Trap metal or Black trap for ghosteman
, both of which is a new genre outside of metal imo so rap metal sucks but trap metal horrorcore and black trap is a lot better.
Kenny Mason was on Kenny Beats' series the cave a couple of months ago. They somehow made a rap song with a heavy riff that sounded great, which gives me some faint hope that these two things can one day come together and not sound like ass.
I unapologetically and unironically loved every single track played here including the parody song.
Especially unity tx
I love that you brought up Downset, they're a really good underrated band. I personally love Nu Metal/Tap Metal/Rapcore
Yoo that one rap verse in Cidephile - Omerta. Comes and goes and fits perfectly imo
or talent show they the GOAT
After seeing this video before watching Fever 333 here at Inkcarceration Festival (didn't know of them prior).
I'm finally convinced.
Finn McKenty is the Gatekeeper Final Boss.
was there as well absolutely incredible performance
Those who know. Know.
Glad to be a part of that group.
Fin, Have you ever listened to a band "Project 86"???
Here come the people calling you a hypocrite because you love Trap Metal lol
I don't know why, he seems to like rappers incorporating metal, but hate metal bands incorporating rap.
@fairy exactly
Finn literally says at 1:29 "Rap is cool, Metal is cool, but in my opinion...Rap and Metal together? Not so good."
Yet he likes Trap Metal as a whole, Rage Against the Machine, Linkin Park, P.O.D., some Limp Bizkit songs, 311, Attila, Falling In Reverse, etc.
He's contradicting himself. What's wrong with pointing that out? He should just admit that Rap and Rock/Metal can be combined in a good way that he likes, even if he doesn't like a majority of the other bands doing it.
@@FairyCRat he means rappers do it better then metalheads meaning they could do it better...
@@erikbritz8095 But I don't exactly understand how it's any better.
Fever 333's recent signing Jynx also does this type of music super well. Love guerrilla warfare!
First band to mention. E Town Concrete :Mandibles. Released 2003. Dunno where I got the sampler that had this track. IDC if I got shit taste. Love this track.
V-MOB. Back in the Napster, Limewire, Morpheus days. Tracks would float around with artists no one heard of and completely guessed titles. V-MOB have a song "Hurt Me". Which was titled "BlackHeart" via limewire etc. They were also mistaken for Slipknot......idk.
"Benevolence, and Reflection" are dope songs.
Ok what Do you things about BodyCount, Stuck mojo, H-Blocks, RATM, Prophet of rage?
Not metal but rap/hardcore had e. Town concrete from New Jersey who had some good stuff. Songs like dirty jerz and first born are highlights to me
I never hear any one mention e town concrete.
E Town Concrete is life.
"rap metal sucks"
"what about that band, that's metal and he raps"
"yeah but it's not reaaallllyyyyy rap cough cough"
"uh huh, OK dude"
Primer 55 . Writing this before I watched whole video don't know if they are mentioned but their first 2 albums where awesome
I feel about the same as you. It always ends up sounding corny.
I also share your feeling about Downset. They have a sentimental spot in my life. Them, VOD, and especially Hatebreed we’re my introduction to hardcore and my life drastically changed from that point on.
Ken the drummer of Candiria is a beast. Check out his feature on the new BTBAM to see how he shreds. Also they didn't really rap over their metal which is smart. They kept it separate.
I’d love for After the Burial and Kendrick Lamar to walk into a studio.
How do you feel about rap ska ?
To be honest I don't think you do not know too much about rap metal but I've always seen Rap Metal as Nu Metal, maybe cause I love both.
I just hate that every metal band is now their own genre but DVSR is fantastic nut absolutely favorite is Primer 55.
That's just two bands I came up with at the spot that I love.
Glad to see Cipher and Candiria get talked about, even thought they are both hardcore bands that I wouldn't necessarily call rap metal. Just great bands
This was my first time hearing them and I like them.
And to represent Rap metal I'd say Bloodywood is a much better choice
Rage, 311, Snot, Korn, Slipknot, SOAD, and Clutch (really only two or three of their older albums tho) all incorporate elements of rap vocals into their delivery. I think the combo works best when it’s subtle, because both genres place a lot of focus in rhythm. Groups like Bizkit and POD never did it well imo because the fusion was being pushed with the same level of bravado as some of rap’s biggest names. The vocals still have to sound like rock/metal vocals; it’s the syncopation that matters.
he doesn’t really count them as “rap metal” completely but yeah there is some rap
311 isn't rap metal. They aren't even metal.
Check out Bloodywood. they were an Indian metal duo that jsut met a rapper and they managed to blend both styles beautifully.
THeir songs Gaddar and Dana Dan are FANTASTIC
I love candiria, had both of their demo cassettes way back, there's a band called Reveille out of Massachusetts, their second album specifically has pretty great lyricism and flow
THANK YOU I kept scrolling to see comments like this
Loved Downset, how about Senser, awesome 1st album, from UK mixing hip hop metal punk and dance with a hint of jazz (like crossing Beastie Boys, Gunshot and The Prodigy)
Dropout Kings is a dope newer band. Landon Tewers even featured in one of their songs.
I'd highly recommend the song "Hakai"
Shootyz Groove was more like rap/rock but I think they're cool. They had 2 rappers. Just remembered Phunk Junkeez were cool too!
When I saw the title of this video I clicked on it so fast just so I could comment on how much you would like Downset, especially Pocket Full of Fatcaps. Glad I skimmed the video on the off chance you knew them. Too cool Finn. And for what it's worth, I think their first two albums hold up pretty well. The guitar tone is killer, the lyrics are unique, clever, and authentic, and many of their messages on police brutality, poverty, systemic racism, and sexual abuse are pretty relevant topics still.
For anyone who hasn't listened to them, give their Self-Titled and "Do We Speak a Dead language" albums a listen!
Ken Schalk was featured in a guest drum solo in BTBAM's "Fix The Error". :)
I’m digging Ho99o9 more hardcore rap though
Ho99o9 needs more love
Downset!!! (EYES SHUT TIGHT)
I’m convinced that good “rap metal” is really about the same as hardcore with a slight hip-hop element.
Downset, RATM, elements of Deftones’ Adrenaline
Yeah man. Good hardcore has a bounce, which is just simplified funk rhythms, which is also hip hop.
That unreleased Candiria song sounds like The Number Twelve looks like you, like their later jazzy fusion stuff
It was nice to see Eric July and Backwordz talked about in the chat of this. Fire from the Gods did him dirty though.