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  • The nu-metal tier list is here! Where do nu-metal bands like POK, Korn, Mudvayne, Coal Chamber, Kittie, Soulfly, and Orgy belong? And stay tuned for part 2 of the nu-metal tier list!
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  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
    @FinnMckentyPRMBA  3 роки тому +55

    Come hang out on Twitch! www.twitch.tv/finnmckenty

    • @duanemartin4958
      @duanemartin4958 3 роки тому +1

      Check out Deadsy

    • @Cowabunga135
      @Cowabunga135 3 роки тому +1

      Loved the video finn Cant wait for the second video!

    • @duanemartin4958
      @duanemartin4958 3 роки тому

      Do you not like clean lyrics? Because.. an amazing vocalist... I think who gets no respect is the lead singer from Ultraspank.. especially..the " Progress " album

    • @beastmerc84
      @beastmerc84 3 роки тому

      Korns first Album was Dark and groovy.

    • @beastmerc84
      @beastmerc84 3 роки тому

      I use to skate to Coal Chambers self-titled. Devil Driver had some good stuff, but they're more MetalCore.

  • @Zimuahaha
    @Zimuahaha 3 роки тому +1261

    "Does anyone actually like these slower, quieter parts of Nu-Metal songs?" Me. I am the one. The contrast between the heavy and clean parts make the heavy parts slap that much harder.

    • @gus2n
      @gus2n 3 роки тому +97

      Me too, sometimes the chill rap verses are the highlight for me with Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park etc. That's why I like nu metal because it has a bit of everything

    • @crazydud3380
      @crazydud3380 3 роки тому +46

      He doesn't hate them as much as he claims. He says Korn is great, and most of their songs do that. I do agree that you have to do it well, though.

    • @crazydud3380
      @crazydud3380 3 роки тому +62

      Your mention of clean parts making the heavy slap harder is why I will usually defend melodeath over regular death metal, though the purists hate on that. If it is nothing but growling and blast beats the whole album, you get used to it and it just doesn't feel as intense after a while.

    • @SportsMetalBizkit
      @SportsMetalBizkit 3 роки тому +5

      Exactly

    • @PhilUribe
      @PhilUribe 3 роки тому +2

      Used to love em as a kid but I got really annoyed by them as I grew older.

  • @leestaggers2583
    @leestaggers2583 3 роки тому +315

    "Korn's drip is Untouchable" I see what you did there Finn lol

    • @daverichards9141
      @daverichards9141 2 роки тому +27

      I would have issues with him if he didn't.

    • @christianhackl474
      @christianhackl474 2 роки тому +3

      @Dave Richards I also see what you did *there* 👀haha

    • @mainsmain
      @mainsmain 2 роки тому +23

      @@christianhackl474 I mean it's pretty obvious, you would have to be Blind to not see that

    • @the_padzer3456
      @the_padzer3456 Рік тому +7

      ​@tiagovalen good god, you're great at this

    • @wallaceshawn-zk8iw
      @wallaceshawn-zk8iw Рік тому +3

      You know all these other nu metal bands Follow The Leader

  • @BradNolanVideography
    @BradNolanVideography 3 роки тому +699

    Mudvayne had a little bit more success than you think. When they won a VMA and wore all white suits covered in blood, that was an iconic Nu Metal moment.

    • @oops6876
      @oops6876 3 роки тому +25

      Legit just watched that last week cause it popped into my feed lol

    • @CannibalEnt
      @CannibalEnt 3 роки тому +29

      They had songs in multiple movies as well

    • @austintrousdale2397
      @austintrousdale2397 3 роки тому +15

      I remember having heard new (nu) songs by Mudvayne on rock radio in late 2008, so there’s that.

    • @cashusclay69able
      @cashusclay69able 3 роки тому

      .

    • @dustinkern5273
      @dustinkern5273 3 роки тому +25

      Mudvayne was just below slipknot imo in that mask wearing group ahead of mushroomhead for sure

  • @aaryamannambiar6677
    @aaryamannambiar6677 3 роки тому +182

    Finn: "Korn has 5 albums in the billboard top 10"
    Korn: "14... but you were close."

  • @danielseale9636
    @danielseale9636 3 роки тому +272

    That Mudvayne-Dig video is legendary. You can give it shit, but if it wasn't as "cringe" as you say, it never would have got them on people's radar and really launch their careers. And it's arguably more popular now then it was back then.

    • @alanomie
      @alanomie 3 роки тому +2

      How the hell is Mudvayne more popular now than they were back in the dsy? I dont get it?!? I met them in Detroit and Ryan is as cool as you would think.

    • @codyscards6698
      @codyscards6698 3 роки тому +10

      Nobody remember mudvaynes famous MTV awards appearance? They were awesome to us 13 year olds

    • @CM-ek9ec
      @CM-ek9ec 3 роки тому +10

      A tier band for sure

    • @ChainsawChristmas
      @ChainsawChristmas 3 роки тому +7

      @@alanomie because "brr brr dang, brr brr dang" is a meme at this point. And the internet is undefeated at spreading popularity of a meme.

    • @QQyoko
      @QQyoko 3 роки тому +7

      BRR BRR DENG

  • @theSinisterBend
    @theSinisterBend 3 роки тому +182

    Mudvayne as a whole wasn't very influential but EVERY numetal kid that played bass shit their pants the first time they listened to LD50. Hell, I was a regular guitar player and I was blown away. Ryan Martini is undeniable on bass guitar.

    • @alanomie
      @alanomie 3 роки тому +2

      Fucking Beast Mode! Ryan is so cool.

    • @maxh9579
      @maxh9579 3 роки тому +9

      I did shit my pants when I heard the bass on LD50. I had never heard anything like it and it is the reason i started playing bass

    • @kennyhouser3467
      @kennyhouser3467 3 роки тому +8

      Ryan Martinie's influence is plastered all over metal bass these days. The Jinjer bassist is a prime example. He is basically just carrying on the legacy. Before him the bassist was just "supposed to" play the rhythm root notes to give the guitars more punch. Martini could legitimately be considered the driving force in many of their songs. I know for me as a bass player, he was and still is one of my biggest influences.

    • @theSinisterBend
      @theSinisterBend 3 роки тому +3

      @@kennyhouser3467 100%. I remember me and a bass player friend of mine learning Mudvayne songs to jam together back in the early 2000's. Watching him play along to the song Dig while I played guitar I couldn't believe the fret board acrobatics he was pulling off. The regular guitar work in that song is pretty basic but the bass was next level. I'd never seen a bass played like that in metal.

    • @trottingfoxinc
      @trottingfoxinc 3 роки тому +2

      Can confirm, picked up bass in 3rd grade, discovered LD50 as a freshman in HS, now at 26 I can say without a doubt, that one album has had way more influence on my bass playing than any single other source. I picked up so many little techniques trying to emulate Ryan.

  • @laurisaarinen1126
    @laurisaarinen1126 3 роки тому +349

    I'm dying here because of how obsessed Finn is with Orgy's "giga-chad jaws" 😂
    Your commentary is some of the funniest on YT!

    • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
      @FinnMckentyPRMBA  3 роки тому +32

      Thank you!

    • @ZL1LoVeR
      @ZL1LoVeR 3 роки тому +31

      Karen meets Edward Scissor Hands 🤣🤣🤣

    • @sandrasurgiewicz2846
      @sandrasurgiewicz2846 3 роки тому +9

      I say we Go Found Finn's chin fillers lol

    • @ryannachtrab
      @ryannachtrab 3 роки тому +5

      Haha damnit, I just left a comment about this lol. I went to a little hillbilly farm school with 100 kids in each class and the girls STILL loved Jay Gordon

    • @Rose-From-the-Dead
      @Rose-From-the-Dead 3 роки тому +6

      Orgy was the best

  • @kinglolo88
    @kinglolo88 3 роки тому +276

    Mudvayne was amazing. Chad's lyrics and Ryan's bass playing was out of this world. L.D. 50, The End of All Things to Come, and Lost and Found were amazing albums.

    • @geargod39
      @geargod39 2 роки тому +2

      Even their self-titled their newest one from 2009 was really good

    • @raregrimebeats1352
      @raregrimebeats1352 2 роки тому +5

      Ld50 & five pointe o’s untitled hve aged gracefully

    • @goner.9989
      @goner.9989 2 роки тому +4

      Lost and found is a god tier album

    • @sickfitz4256
      @sickfitz4256 2 роки тому +4

      Brr brr deng brr brr deng brr brr deng

    • @raregrimebeats1352
      @raregrimebeats1352 2 роки тому +3

      @@sickfitz4256 nu metal at its best

  • @joeplaysdrums89
    @joeplaysdrums89 3 роки тому +85

    As a kid who grew up in a very religious home, P.O.D. was allowed because it was christian and they were honestly my gateway to finding Linkin Park and moving into heavier music as I got older. Mad respect to P.OD.

    • @danielbroache
      @danielbroache Рік тому +3

      I found a Living Sacrifice CD at the local Berean(Christian FYE) and my parents HATED it. I bought a Christian metal DVD and my mom did take that one from me haha. "Heaven's Metal" I think it was called, it was just too "extreme."

    • @shvrkofficial2616
      @shvrkofficial2616 Рік тому +1

      Have you ever heard of seventh Angel? Their album Lament for the weary goes hard

    • @Brklyn-dd9yo
      @Brklyn-dd9yo Рік тому +1

      This is me 💯💯💯

  • @liamriddell8461
    @liamriddell8461 3 роки тому +85

    Man, Mudvayne are 100% great. You gotta listen to the entirety of L.D.50. The hype isn't false.

    • @mikeFM76
      @mikeFM76 Рік тому +1

      Nope... nothing to gien is fuckin insane. So many great moments. Prod?!?

  • @yeagerzombie
    @yeagerzombie 3 роки тому +242

    I want it on record that Ryan Martinie from mudvayne is one of the best bassists from this era and was part of the reason I started playing bass.

    • @MrRiceRKT
      @MrRiceRKT 3 роки тому +12

      Bought me a Warwick Thumb bass last week just cause of him. Ryan is an amazing musician and super humble person.

    • @RCX817
      @RCX817 3 роки тому +9

      Facts, all of them are amazing musicians. Chad is my favorite metal vocalist. I hate Hellyeah tho

    • @driiifter
      @driiifter 3 роки тому

      too bad hes with Fodera now.. Gotta get me a Fodera instead xD

    • @dt-hf8vz
      @dt-hf8vz 3 роки тому

      he’s a talented vocalist too

    • @taliesinpotter4097
      @taliesinpotter4097 3 роки тому +8

      I'd argue he's one of the best bassists period not just of the era

  • @eliwestmaas8523
    @eliwestmaas8523 3 роки тому +58

    As a nu metal kid from the 90s. I loved the clean vocals an cringe whispery parts, not gonna lie

    • @xXchaotic-spiteXx
      @xXchaotic-spiteXx 3 роки тому +7

      Bro I still pump this shit 20 years later likes it's fresh asf also still rocking Osiris like it's 2001

    • @mid-s_to_earlysViBEZ
      @mid-s_to_earlysViBEZ Рік тому +2

      @@xXchaotic-spiteXx *HELL YEAH…!!!!* *Brother, I HOPE YOU STILL ARE.* 🙏🤜🤞

  • @dudenamedskip
    @dudenamedskip 3 роки тому +216

    I could listen to you talk about and be excited about Nu-Metal all day everyday.

    • @matthewerne9178
      @matthewerne9178 3 роки тому +3

      Check out the Roach Koach podcast!

    • @Elchonlster
      @Elchonlster 3 роки тому

      Same

    • @finnamory604
      @finnamory604 3 роки тому +5

      @@matthewerne9178 yes dude, Roach koach is fucking essential for any Nu Metal enthusiast

    • @nogrecords
      @nogrecords 3 роки тому +10

      Lol Nu Metal RULES. I don't care what anyone says

    • @rockboy360
      @rockboy360 3 роки тому +1

      Roach Koach is The Nu Metal MBA

  • @kennyhouser3467
    @kennyhouser3467 3 роки тому +66

    Speaking of Mudvayne, Ryan Martinie deserves even more credit than he already gets. His influence is seen all over the metal scene. Everywhere from Metalcore on down to Tech Death. He made bassists actually leading songs instead of just playing whatever root notes the rhythm guitarist is playing a thing. His playing is where my liking of their music begins and ends. I can think of at least 12 riffs I've made myself in that style.

  • @drummerAVA
    @drummerAVA 3 роки тому +59

    I can’t think of Nu-metal without thinking about all the industrial-tinged sci-fi movies and video games of the early 2000’s. Goes together like peanut butter and jelly…

    • @DBL304
      @DBL304 3 роки тому +4

      Battlefield Earth, Queen of the Damned, man that makes me have some weird flashbacks

    • @GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000
      @GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000 3 роки тому +6

      @@DBL304 Daredevil,Doom,Punisher

    • @atvena
      @atvena 3 роки тому +6

      The matrix

    • @DBL304
      @DBL304 3 роки тому +1

      @@GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000 big facts!

    • @Sergio-nb4hj
      @Sergio-nb4hj 2 роки тому +2

      Yes!!! This is maybe my favorite part of the nu metal aesthetic

  • @j.m.1928
    @j.m.1928 3 роки тому +48

    Never understood the underappreciation towards Mudvayne. They shit slapps...

    • @LeadMe2TheBliss
      @LeadMe2TheBliss 3 роки тому +1

      I think they got the appreciation they deserved. They weren't as influential as bands like Korn or Slipknot and just didn't have the same lasting appeal and originality those bands had. I remember seeing them on the 2nd stage at Ozzfest 2001, honestly I kind of paid half attention to them I was probably preoccupied and just getting hyped up for Marilyn Manson and Black Sabbath, they both were amazing live back 2 back!

    • @DaveFurbush
      @DaveFurbush 3 роки тому

      Their "singer" is beyond fucking terrible.

    • @j.m.1928
      @j.m.1928 3 роки тому

      @@DaveFurbush Your wackass opinion...

  • @Henry14arsenal2007
    @Henry14arsenal2007 3 роки тому +104

    Yes we do like those "boring" parts. Thats called texture, that same Korn had a ton of them, didnt seem to bother you.

    • @KevinEDF
      @KevinEDF 3 роки тому +31

      If you start the song at 10 and remain at 10, 10 doesn't feel so powerful. Need some lows to appreciate the highs.

    • @SuperRedhawk13
      @SuperRedhawk13 3 роки тому +23

      Big gitar string go chug chug

    • @loompy1440
      @loompy1440 3 роки тому +4

      Im with finn on this one, but I do like clean bridges when they accomplish a mood or “clash” with the rest of the song in an intentionally environmental/ dissonant way. often times they don’t seem to add anything, and that’s what sets bands like korn and soulfly apart, the songwriting in korn is just objectively better than most other nu metal and every section of a korn song is a hook so the little worm parts just make their songs even more catchy

    • @XViTNg
      @XViTNg 3 роки тому +4

      That’s cause Korn knew how to do it right. Daddy being a great example. The tension Korn built in their soft parts actually did build texture and make the heavy parts even heavier. But in a lot of Nu Metal bands it is just a weird back and forth.

    • @wallaceshawn-zk8iw
      @wallaceshawn-zk8iw Рік тому

      @@loompy1440 They understand Groove & Melody for sure

  • @Bunseboy
    @Bunseboy 3 роки тому +58

    Mudvayne´s LD50 is to this day the most complete album ever for me. I love every song on it, even the transitional pieces. The whole album is so cohesive, i hardly can listen to one song alone, have to listen to it from start to finish.
    You can definetly count them as New Metal, but they have so many prog elements, especially on their first 2 albums. Weird time signatures, tempo changes, song structures, interesting (imo) lyrics to fill pages.
    As many other pointed out before, Ryan had/still has a HUGE influence on metal bass players to this day.
    Saw them live like 5 or 6 times and they killed it everytime, playing always 1h+ sets, giving all they got, esp Chad who i felt was close to passing out a lotta times.
    I´m obviously biased, so im a bit salty about that b-tier xD
    Love your content tho, but please listen to LD50, im sure you´ll love it.
    Cheers

  • @thenightcap6295
    @thenightcap6295 3 роки тому +228

    As a deftones fan I’m already preparing myself to be offended in part 2 😆

    • @devenscience8894
      @devenscience8894 3 роки тому +11

      ha. I just commented basically the same thing.

    • @BearTow
      @BearTow 3 роки тому +5

      To be fair, we're horribly abusive lol

    • @meowtherainbowx4163
      @meowtherainbowx4163 3 роки тому +8

      I’m glad he’s gonna finally give an opinion on them and SOAD without being forced to make whole videos.

    • @PalmelaHanderson
      @PalmelaHanderson 3 роки тому +8

      Deftones are like such a niche thing. Around the Fur is probably my favorite album of theirs, but everything after that is more commercially successful. I didn't realize that their latest album reached #5 on billboard, that's crazy. But, I don't know, it's like they exist in a vacuum. I wouldn't cite them as a big influence on a lot of things, they just carved their niche out and do it really well.

    • @beastmerc84
      @beastmerc84 3 роки тому +10

      I don't see a lot of toxic Deftones fans. Everybody I know that love Deftones, are genuinely nice people. I've been to 2 of their shows, got pictures of me and Chino taking in Raleigh, NC, and everyone was cool. I never try and push them on others either. I usually tell people that they might not like it, and if they do we can talk about them.

  • @s3lfFish
    @s3lfFish Рік тому +2

    you killed me with "this is some advance drip wizardry going on here, this man knows what he's doing"

  • @xwolfiegreenwoodx
    @xwolfiegreenwoodx 3 роки тому +76

    I'll always love Nu-Metal. If I had kids it'd be my embarrassing Dad music. Right now it's just my embarrassing Uncle music.
    Edit - Coal Chamber are unironically one of my favourite bands. I genuinely used to dress like that in the early 00's.

    • @koolerkaida8002
      @koolerkaida8002 3 роки тому +2

      lmao, I kinda dig coal chamber's style. their music is perfectly heavy and the crazy outfit styles that they did were not *too* cringey.

    • @LeadMe2TheBliss
      @LeadMe2TheBliss 3 роки тому +2

      I saw them live a few times back in the day. CC were a good band but they certainly were no Korn or Deftones, they kind of ripped off Korns sound, but they were a good live band!

    • @kandykorn4425
      @kandykorn4425 3 роки тому +2

      Their album dark days is top tier nu metal

    • @austintrousdale2397
      @austintrousdale2397 3 роки тому

      @@kandykorn4425 How Finn talked about them for about 5 minutes without even a snippet of “Fiend” baffled me.

    • @wallaceshawn-zk8iw
      @wallaceshawn-zk8iw Рік тому

      People tend to forget about Coal Chamber.... Snot too

  • @laowhy86
    @laowhy86 3 роки тому +69

    The "Oriental - U Like U Eat Buffet" Soulfly font got me dead.

    • @Themetalwookie666
      @Themetalwookie666 3 роки тому

      Now they just need to do an album cover of their logo on Chinese take out and the circle will be complete.

  • @kolin572
    @kolin572 3 роки тому +30

    numetal is becoming one of my favorite subgenres ever no cap

  • @hanislip
    @hanislip 3 роки тому +89

    Well soulfly is my biggest influence

    • @beastmerc84
      @beastmerc84 3 роки тому +5

      Soulfly are dope, and got their name from a dope song that Max did with Deftones called Headup.

    • @morasoftwood8224
      @morasoftwood8224 3 роки тому +5

      You ever wonder what’s in those backpack? 😂

    • @kristi3908
      @kristi3908 3 роки тому +2

      Left me hanging! :)

    • @ryannachtrab
      @ryannachtrab 3 роки тому +1

      @@beastmerc84 DDOOOOOD...Headup goes hard as fuuuuuuuck. Back in 1998 (or whenever) that song was filthy as hell and one of the main reasons I love Deftones so much

    • @troywilliams6849
      @troywilliams6849 3 роки тому +1

      I dont believe you..lol....but I do like soulfly

  • @crowdkillproductions.
    @crowdkillproductions. 3 роки тому +56

    My old band opened for Kittie in like 2007. They were good live and were cool enough to hang with us after the show. Was a good time.

    • @devenscience8894
      @devenscience8894 3 роки тому +5

      One of them now has a damn good doom band, The White Swan.

    • @SoilentGr33n
      @SoilentGr33n 3 роки тому +2

      @@devenscience8894 Yeah White Swan fucking rocks.

    • @nicholasmisiak4724
      @nicholasmisiak4724 3 роки тому +2

      What was your band??

    • @crowdkillproductions.
      @crowdkillproductions. 3 роки тому +6

      @@nicholasmisiak4724 illbred theory. Just a local band that got lucky. Was nothing big.

    • @xXchaotic-spiteXx
      @xXchaotic-spiteXx 3 роки тому +5

      I will defend Kittie till I die

  • @MarkArandjus
    @MarkArandjus 2 роки тому +25

    As a Kittie fan I was ready for someone to once again talk about Kittie as Nu metal even though only a few songs on their first album were that.
    Really appreciate you showing songs like cutthroat and pointing out that they later transitioned to straight up metal!

  • @donholbert7986
    @donholbert7986 3 роки тому +65

    Gotta say: Mudvayne is easily my favorite band out of this video, but "Happy?" is such a good song, people just give it shit because it's not as heavy. I'd still say "Lost And Found" is a good album, not their best, but definitely better than their self-titled

    • @Zimuahaha
      @Zimuahaha 3 роки тому +6

      Fkn love Happy.

    • @therealmccoyruf
      @therealmccoyruf 3 роки тому +3

      “Determined” is heavy, ld 50 is like prog nu metal

    • @underrottensky
      @underrottensky 3 роки тому +1

      great album

    • @peazeralus
      @peazeralus 3 роки тому +2

      The problem is Lost and Found came after LD50 and EoATtC.

    • @CCrawford522
      @CCrawford522 3 роки тому +3

      Happy? Was an amazing song!

  • @adamatkins1984
    @adamatkins1984 3 роки тому +9

    I actually met Rizzo back in his Ill Nino days, my GF at the time asked him "what's with the bag?" to which he replied "it's just a look, why not." High possibility the dude had nothing in the bag at all, what's more nu metal than wearing an empty backpack?? Very little I'd imagine.

  • @paulgrossman8830
    @paulgrossman8830 3 роки тому +43

    I think the reason people (like myself) love mudvaybe is the sound. chad gray (in my opinion) is one of the most talented male vocalists out there. love his sound, incredible range, incredible control over his voice, etc. ryan is obviously one of the greatest bass players to ever grace metal music. matt is an INCREDIBLE drummer who pairs extremely well with ryan. honestly their weak point is their guitarist greg, but he’s solid and does exactly what he needs to fit the music. combine that with consistently good songs (once again in my opinion), and it becomes tough not to like them.
    at least my 2 cents.
    good video though, entertaining and inciteful as always

    • @kaylek3874
      @kaylek3874 Рік тому

      Feel the same way about the individual members. I really enjoyed hearing Chad’s vocals evolve throughout time on the albums. Great band all around.

    • @SerErryk
      @SerErryk Рік тому

      They would be great, but their lyrics are F tier. Just truly awful.

    • @kaylek3874
      @kaylek3874 Рік тому +1

      @@SerErryk you’re wrong but ok

  • @senppy1596
    @senppy1596 3 роки тому +6

    so the thing about the clean parts is that it makes the heavy parts feel shit ton more heavier a good example is korn's falling away from me. the main riff is heavy but after the little clean break it sound so much heavier

  • @shayne5143
    @shayne5143 3 роки тому +46

    Hey Finn did you know that I LOVE THE DEFTONES

  • @Kat-tr2ig
    @Kat-tr2ig Рік тому +4

    My biggest memory of Mudvayne was watching the Dig video when it first came out with my then infant son in my arms and it scared him so much he started crying histerically, and I quickly changed the channel. And every time he heard those first couple of notes he'd start bawling. Mudvayne, traumatizing boys since 2001.

  • @crazydud3380
    @crazydud3380 3 роки тому +19

    Part of nu metal's influence is from grunge, which is why you sometimes get the quiet verses with loud chorus (which was practically a requirement in grunge). I will agree it was usually not that great, though Korn always knew how to do it right. Most of their songs do the quiet verse with loud chorus.
    I see we saved most the heavy hitters for part 2. Makes us come back for Part 2, so good hustle!

  • @TuringMachine001
    @TuringMachine001 2 роки тому +6

    0:00 Intro
    1:04 Korn
    5:06 Soulfly
    9:12 Orgy
    13:51 Coal Chamber
    16:53 Kittie
    20:11 P.O.D.
    23:17 Mudvayne

  • @coleG112
    @coleG112 3 роки тому +47

    Listening to Orgy makes me realize that this is EXACTLY what Skillet was trying to imitate in some songs in their first couple albums holy crap. Then they jumped on the Shinedown train, and now they're just Christian Imagine Dragons. Their newest song goes pretty hard though

    • @jasonlovesmusicreacting882
      @jasonlovesmusicreacting882 3 роки тому +6

      Their new song is still as predictable as it gets.

    • @coleG112
      @coleG112 3 роки тому +3

      @@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 I don't disagree at all. It's just nice to actually hear some real guitars in the intro and outro finally lol. The processed drums in the verses were a bummer and the progression (especially the chorus) was so obvious.
      I hate that John's side project has been so "one and done". He was doing some kinda cool "Old Skillet" sorts of stuff with that and I really liked the entire EP.

    • @jasonlovesmusicreacting882
      @jasonlovesmusicreacting882 3 роки тому +1

      @@coleG112 I just heard about his side project the other day. There’s a lot of potential in it and the guy can yell. And yeah, I cannot stand that chorus. I read a comment about how it’s meant for Madden or WWE. I do like the way the guitars sound but would be nice to hear more than just power chords.

    • @michealrosen
      @michealrosen 3 роки тому +1

      Interesting take I never noticed that good observation

    • @croak8575
      @croak8575 3 роки тому +4

      Isn't Imagine Dragons Mormon already

  • @deecee8972
    @deecee8972 3 роки тому +15

    P.O.D is the best live performance I've ever seen and I saw them in 2011 after their peak popularity.

  • @TheCivildecay
    @TheCivildecay 3 роки тому +60

    Deftones toxic fanbase police here to check if Deftones is in fact S-Tier

    • @B-Shells
      @B-Shells 3 роки тому +9

      They better be!

    • @peazeralus
      @peazeralus 3 роки тому +7

      In the 20+ years I've been listening to the Deftones, you are the second person I've seen call their fanbase toxic.

    • @dalekay9ine
      @dalekay9ine 3 роки тому +4

      @@peazeralus pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

    • @devenscience8894
      @devenscience8894 3 роки тому +7

      @@dalekay9ine no, Finn has a rule never to talk about Deftones in any meaningful way because of their fanbase. Plus, he doesn't like them, which is too bad, because their influence has only risen.

    • @TheCivildecay
      @TheCivildecay 3 роки тому +4

      @@peazeralus the other one is Finn?;)

  • @Lilmickcrocodiledundee0001
    @Lilmickcrocodiledundee0001 3 роки тому +11

    Ryan Martini is the greatest bass player in Metal, hands down. Glad I got to do alot of concert's from 99 to today. First time mudvayne concert was 03. Damn I'm old

  • @jesperpersson4462
    @jesperpersson4462 3 роки тому +14

    Nu Metal drip is the best drip in metal change my mind

  • @jpmetalhead16
    @jpmetalhead16 3 роки тому +2

    I bet the dude in Korn with the sleeveless shirt is the drummer.
    You said he wasn't cooperating with the nu metal look, but remember, there's the character of the "swole" drummer with sleeveless shirt in a lot of bands.

  • @michealrosen
    @michealrosen 3 роки тому +31

    You need to listen to more mudvayne, the bass player is one of the best bass players in history, also the vocal range of the singer is massive, not on Maynard's level but pretty close.

    • @alanomie
      @alanomie 3 роки тому +4

      Finn doesn't care for Mudvayne, but youre right, he absolutely should!

    • @joelmonteiro1419
      @joelmonteiro1419 3 роки тому +6

      Mudavayne's whole rhythm section is S tier. They are super talented musicians, but unfortunately the band wasn't around for that long. I think they would be at the same alt-metal level as Deftones had the band continued.

    • @austintrousdale2397
      @austintrousdale2397 3 роки тому

      @@alanomie “Bad drip” 🤦🏽‍♀️😆

    • @aarav_905
      @aarav_905 3 роки тому +3

      I saw this somewhere but he has 4 octaves which is 1 or 2 more than average, the drummer matt is a really good songwriter and surprisingly is really good at ambient stuff, Ryan martinie is obviously one the of the best bass players in modern metal and the guitarist is really great at supporting the band.

  • @pseudonym9238
    @pseudonym9238 3 роки тому +22

    Orgy's like my favorite band and I'm just happy that you even gave them a spot. It seems like they always get left out when talking about nu-metal but they had a lot going for them, especially with the aesthetics. I just wish the new Orgy lineup and music didn't seem like a complete betrayal of everything that came before it.

    • @nimbletimplekins7601
      @nimbletimplekins7601 Рік тому +1

      Same, they were like the perfect fusion of Nu Metal and Industrial

  • @atlys258
    @atlys258 3 роки тому +7

    Oh my god that bit about "seeing someone in Fieldy shoes at a bus stop near a methadone clinic" had me screaming 🤣🤣

  • @beauwhitlock5034
    @beauwhitlock5034 Рік тому +1

    When I saw Korn in 97. Jonathan came out in a silver ADIDAS track suit. It was definitely drippy. Orgy and HED PE opened for them. Korn fucking killed it. All the fans completely destroyed the midsouth Colosseum by standing on the seats and breaking them off and throwing them at the poor security.😂

  • @xenos_n.
    @xenos_n. 3 роки тому +16

    I don't even think Orgy was much of a nu metal band, their second album was pretty damn awesome I remember owning that and really enjoying it.

    • @grindpsycho
      @grindpsycho 2 роки тому +3

      I agree, Orgy was an industrial metal, and that is a maybe. But I love their music.

  • @s3lfFish
    @s3lfFish Рік тому +2

    Personal list from back in the day :
    S :
    Korn
    Deftones
    SOAD
    Slipknot
    Limp Bizkit
    Machine Head
    Sepultura
    Linkin Parl
    B :
    Mudvayne
    Kittie
    Coal Chamber
    Never got into POD or any of the other though

    • @jasonfromguitarcenter
      @jasonfromguitarcenter 10 місяців тому

      Where’s Ill Niño?

    • @s3lfFish
      @s3lfFish 10 місяців тому

      ​@@jasonfromguitarcenter Never got into sorry

  • @SoundAsleepSpace
    @SoundAsleepSpace 3 роки тому +14

    Mudvayne should be tier A, they were every popular.

    • @theirishpotato6588
      @theirishpotato6588 3 роки тому

      I agree.

    • @MrRiceRKT
      @MrRiceRKT 3 роки тому +4

      Agree, and highly influential too, especially Ryan Martinies bass playing has inspired a lot people to start playing bass.

    • @RCX817
      @RCX817 3 роки тому +3

      I agree, my favorite band. Bro musically they are the most superior band when it comes to musician ship other than maybe slipknot but that's a huge maybe

    • @theirishpotato6588
      @theirishpotato6588 3 роки тому +4

      @@RCX817 yee. I honestly don't find the face paint cringey.

    • @RCX817
      @RCX817 3 роки тому +3

      @@theirishpotato6588 no not at all, it's part of the show

  • @AaryckE
    @AaryckE 3 роки тому +2

    KoRn fashion is heavily influenced by Bakersfield. It's hard to explain, but when you see it, you'll know.

  • @garethbennett-allen7260
    @garethbennett-allen7260 3 роки тому +10

    The biggest influence that Mudvayne made was Ryan Martinies bass tone and technique

  • @AdamB12
    @AdamB12 4 місяці тому +1

    That bassist for Mudvayne is insanely good. Too good for a band like Mudvayne as well.

  • @kaydgaming
    @kaydgaming 3 роки тому +45

    Deftones, Korn… honestly that’s about as good as it gets for S tier
    But I fucking looove Orgy

    • @Henry14arsenal2007
      @Henry14arsenal2007 3 роки тому +1

      Have you heard of Cold?

    • @kushalbhattacharjee2252
      @kushalbhattacharjee2252 3 роки тому +1

      He hates deftones

    • @DigitalBath306
      @DigitalBath306 3 роки тому +2

      Deftones is by far the best "nu metal" band

    • @DigitalBath306
      @DigitalBath306 3 роки тому +2

      @@kushalbhattacharjee2252 he hates the fans

    • @bovinleephann
      @bovinleephann 3 роки тому +4

      Deftones is great but do they really count as a fully nu metal band? It's just Adrenaline, half of Around the Fur, and like one song off White Pony.

  • @garyhen1707
    @garyhen1707 3 роки тому +1

    Pod's song alive dropped around the 9/11 attacks, and just took off, that chorus was perfect for healing from that.

  • @thejon93rd
    @thejon93rd 3 роки тому +15

    So happy I heard the L.D.50 album from Mudvayne before seeing their music video for "Dig". I don't think I would have bothered if I saw this video first. Their song for Saw II, "Forget to Remember", is pretty damn good. "Internal Primates Forever" is their best song IMO.

  • @joemack7709
    @joemack7709 3 роки тому +2

    Everyone has an opinion so here is my piece. Wholeheartedly, the nu-metal scene was born after Mr bungle self titled album was released then after some time, Korn became a trendsetter and maybe was the most influential and limp bizkit probably had more success because they was the hottest band at the right time but everyone knows slipknot to date is the biggest act out of them all. But to me, nu-metal acts had their fairshareof success, however when it comes to mudvayne, they are, is and has been on a whole another level. It's like the dig video you say is cringe, that album of L.D.50, It's like if Stanley Kubrick made a metal album, pharmacopeia is like if an addict just wants to escape like, nothing to gein is about Ed Gein, like there was something of a masterpiece with LD50, and dig holds up after all these years. If anything, I felt like mudvayne was a 4 piece gwar lookalike that I had no problem with. If hellyeah didn't dissolve from Vinnie Paul's death, then we wouldn't have new mudvayne shows, and now a new highly anticipated album to come out.

  • @bogabhaiunjoss9591
    @bogabhaiunjoss9591 3 роки тому +21

    Finn,after watching your 'big four of metalcore' I was wondering if you'll do big four of nu metal as well.would be super stoked if you do this.

    • @RaviYadav-bj6mw
      @RaviYadav-bj6mw 3 роки тому +6

      For nu metal it's obvious I think Linkin Park, Limp Bizkits, Korn and Slipknot

    • @toiletfarm
      @toiletfarm 3 роки тому

      This needs to happen. His big four of pop punk video was unexpected but convincing, so I'm sure he would make this fun.

    • @bogabhaiunjoss9591
      @bogabhaiunjoss9591 3 роки тому +2

      @@RaviYadav-bj6mw limp bizkit were big yes,but they were way too goofy to be a part of any top four.I will take Deftones in their place and bam,that's my big four of nu metal right there

    • @crazydud3380
      @crazydud3380 3 роки тому +8

      Metallica = Linkin Park (most successful and went the most mainstream later)
      Megadeth = Limp Bizkit (cuz Durst definitely has some of those douchey Mustaine vibes)
      Slayer = Slipknot (I think the reasons are obvious, Slayer was more brutal than most other thrash, and Slipknot was as heavy as nu metal got)
      Anthrax = Korn (early pioneersbecame forgettable in the middle stretch of their career then brought it back with the return of a key band member, and their team up with Skrillex is reminiscent of Anthrax's Bring the Noise crossover)

    • @TheCivildecay
      @TheCivildecay 3 роки тому

      Korn, Deftones, Slipknot, linkin park

  • @e-lineco
    @e-lineco 2 роки тому +1

    Never liked that song by Mudvayne called "Happy?", but man it is one of their most played song anywhere I go lol

  • @joeparkinson1237
    @joeparkinson1237 3 роки тому +17

    The “backpack guy” from Soulfly was Marc Rizzo! Roy was one of their old drummers... he’s now in Stone Sour 🤘🏻

    • @gpcbt89
      @gpcbt89 3 роки тому +2

      He still carrying that backpack?

    • @joeparkinson1237
      @joeparkinson1237 3 роки тому +3

      @@gpcbt89 Not anymore haha. He started wearing it when he was in Il Nino and then kept it for his first few years with Soulfly I believe

    • @Gemini_Mama
      @Gemini_Mama 3 роки тому

      I saw Soulfly open for Slayer back in 2002. Can confirm no backpacks at that point, but Roy had awesome pink and black hair at that time.

  • @trottingfoxinc
    @trottingfoxinc 3 роки тому +2

    "Inside his backpack are the headphones for that Linkin Park guy" is a VERY underrated chat comment lmao

  • @withouttheaccent6871
    @withouttheaccent6871 Рік тому +7

    Listening to Stitches by Orgy makes me feel like they were so ahead of it’s time. Could totally see Motionless in White or Bad Omens putting up something like this

  • @soysaucefool
    @soysaucefool 2 роки тому +1

    Orgy had that Korn machine behind them, they were on Korn's vanity label.

  • @TheCivildecay
    @TheCivildecay 3 роки тому +7

    7:22 Hell no! those clean parts are written to build tension for the mosh pit to explode as soon as the screaming parts starts and the band picks up again!

  • @lucretiak.7872
    @lucretiak.7872 2 роки тому +1

    "androgynous industrial/nu-metal gigachad" is my new gender thank you finn

  • @buzzzthrower555
    @buzzzthrower555 3 роки тому +8

    Mudvayne puts on a hell of a show

  • @djj8750
    @djj8750 2 роки тому +1

    In southern California we didn't even get kohls until 2003. Buying jeans (in the 90's) was Mervyn's, Miller's Outpost or Anchor Blue.

  • @valvanzi5708
    @valvanzi5708 3 роки тому +9

    I really like the clean parts !! It's really setting an amazing atmosphere when it's well done . Like in korn you can really feel jonathan's emotions and that's why it's interesting.

  • @play_deadgaming
    @play_deadgaming 3 роки тому +6

    Kitties second album "Oracle" was badass. Heavy as fuck, just the right amount of polish, and those broads can write and arrange songs like nobody's business. Won't say underrated as a band, but I feel a lot of people slept on that album

  • @nathanblackmon8672
    @nathanblackmon8672 3 роки тому +11

    Sonny had my favorite voice in this group, didn’t matter they were Christian to me. Satellite had like 4 or 5 huge songs.

    • @David_Theisen
      @David_Theisen 2 роки тому

      Check out their Awakening album!! But Murdered Love was just about as heavy as Snuff the Punk and Brown!!

  • @fgcapps72
    @fgcapps72 3 роки тому +1

    I thought Mudvayne was named after the vein a heroin addict uses to shoot dope, making it a muddy vein.

  • @themadminuteman
    @themadminuteman 3 роки тому +11

    I'm glad some dude on YT is helping me work through my late 90s to early 00s Nu Metal shame lol
    I still love the Deftones tho

  • @finnamory604
    @finnamory604 3 роки тому +9

    “POD is a Christian band, there’s no whale tale in their videos!” LMFAO

    • @austintrousdale2397
      @austintrousdale2397 3 роки тому

      Unless it’s an actual whale breaching during the surf scenes

  • @mxrocketbeats
    @mxrocketbeats 2 роки тому +5

    Damn, Kittie held up better than i would have expected, those riffs are actually pretty good, better guitar tone than alot of other nu metal

  • @wohkasm3544
    @wohkasm3544 3 роки тому +2

    The big four of nu metal would be fun

  • @farkle
    @farkle 3 роки тому +12

    As far as musicianship is concerned, Mudvayne is leaps and bounds better than all the bands in this list. Mudvayne was my gateway to progressive rock and their first 3 albums RIP

  • @oops6876
    @oops6876 3 роки тому +2

    Happy? is dope af, you’re trippin ass
    Edit: Taproot was also a sick band ya goon

  • @mxwx51
    @mxwx51 3 роки тому +7

    Best Coal Chamber song will always be "Big Truck" for me.

    • @scottlee7458
      @scottlee7458 3 роки тому

      That's a good one. But I like Sway a little more

    • @coolmichael0000
      @coolmichael0000 3 роки тому

      Tyler’s Song

    • @lordtrigon1733
      @lordtrigon1733 3 роки тому

      Headstones and the Walking Dead for me, the riff is infectious and the lyrics are hilariously bitchy since the band was breaking up. 😂

  • @Seven7Pain1
    @Seven7Pain1 2 роки тому +1

    My influences for my music is KoRn, Tool, Coal Chamber and Sevendust

  • @nu-punkrants1551
    @nu-punkrants1551 3 роки тому +16

    Adema, korn, bizkit, static X and deftones are S tier.

    • @clothbooster
      @clothbooster 3 роки тому +2

      Adema was never an influential or comercial successful band

    • @nu-punkrants1551
      @nu-punkrants1551 3 роки тому

      @@clothbooster they are my personal favorite of the nu metal age. So, yeah, my opinion

    • @BigOwl51
      @BigOwl51 3 роки тому

      😂😂😂 oh….you’re serious

  • @tonybarbaretta3976
    @tonybarbaretta3976 3 роки тому +2

    I'll never understand your disdain for Mudvayne. I've heard you say how much you like all these punk and hardcore bands that are terrible and can't play, but Mudvayne sucks because of fashion?

  • @matthall6612
    @matthall6612 3 роки тому +8

    I hated Nu Metal in high school. But the band that was certainly a part of that world that I have a soft spot for was Powerman 5000. They were kitsch and at least somewhat self aware. They were a jocks idea of what Devo was, but amusing. There were also some bands I felt were un-fairly associated with it (deftones, SOAD)

  • @QAZu009
    @QAZu009 3 роки тому +2

    Do any of yall remember downloading that song "Prozac" off of Limewire cuz it was by Slipknot/Kittie/Soulfly/Mudvayne and it was actually by none of them lol

  • @FaithFallRepentGraceRepeat
    @FaithFallRepentGraceRepeat 3 роки тому +5

    Most people wrote off Mudvayne because of their makeup. If people gave them a chance beyond their gimmicky look- they would have seen so much talent in that band. Orgy was an awesome band that was ahead of their time. They didn’t have nu metal drip- they were in their own futuristic lane. I loved that band’s first two albums.

  • @metalbudsgaming8371
    @metalbudsgaming8371 3 роки тому +1

    Mudvayne were influential because LD50 was basically babies first prog metal album. I dont know if people listen to BTBAM or Periphery today if they didnt like LD50 when they were 13.

  • @charybdis__
    @charybdis__ 3 роки тому +9

    Mudvayne was and is amazing. L.D. 50 and The End of All Things to Come were phenomenal. And pretty sure if you look at the lyrics to Cultivate, it will give some insight to their name.

  • @greasybumpkin1661
    @greasybumpkin1661 3 роки тому +2

    Nonpoint better be in this
    I know they caved and did the stupid butt rock thing but their nu metal stuff is 🔥

  • @nickdillinger
    @nickdillinger 3 роки тому +8

    I laughed out loud a good 3 times during this video, especially during the ending. Holy Shit. More of this, Finn. I'm dying from the dunks and hot takes.

  • @alexlebon6456
    @alexlebon6456 2 роки тому +1

    Did nobody notice that David Ellefson (from Megadeth) is in the SoulFly- Prophecy video??

    • @zZ_N0TH1NG_Zz
      @zZ_N0TH1NG_Zz Рік тому +1

      He also did some work on the majority of Prophecy, as well as “Riotstarter” on Dark Ages

  • @joedragaux8695
    @joedragaux8695 3 роки тому +5

    Try learning a few Mudvayne songs, Bass drums guitar or vocals. To me they’re the most technical and progressive out of all of these bands other than Slipknot. I was never into the face paint or anything but the songs are no joke.

  • @cmcp975
    @cmcp975 3 роки тому +1

    Q: Who was influenced by Coal Chamber?
    A: Mudvein.

  • @muenchhausenmusic
    @muenchhausenmusic 3 роки тому +5

    22:25 Man, I am a drum and guitar teacher, and I am SOOOO grateful.for Boom by POD! Super easy to play (drums if simplified, that is), fun and enjoyable, and man that video!!! I have yet to meet a single one of my students who doesn't like that song and video! Especially the 10-12 yo demographic really digs it. Thanks POD :D

  • @Themetalwookie666
    @Themetalwookie666 3 роки тому +2

    Soulfly on a tier list? Fucking Nice. Been a fan of them for years. Also gotta say they moved away from Nu-Metal to Groove Metal.

    • @Tikitackfouls
      @Tikitackfouls 3 роки тому +1

      Marcelo was there nu metal mascot

  • @rl-ub9hx
    @rl-ub9hx 3 роки тому +3

    Kittie for their age were way ahead of so many groups. Watched their documentary and thier producer spoke about how tight and well rehearsed they were.

    • @lukelyall5879
      @lukelyall5879 Рік тому +1

      They were about the same age of the cast of that 70s show

  • @dustinwarren7791
    @dustinwarren7791 3 роки тому +1

    As a Slap Bass Player who Grew up on them Korn and Mudvayne Coal Chamber was most definitely influential

  • @reiodion6256
    @reiodion6256 3 роки тому +2

    POD also did rey mysterio's wwe theme if memory serves

  • @pAWNproductionsDE
    @pAWNproductionsDE 3 роки тому +4

    This was hilarious, especially the drip parts
    Although I'd have to say that the part about mudvayne having no stage presence tells me that you probably never saw them live

  • @oscarriley9265
    @oscarriley9265 3 роки тому +1

    bruh mudvayne got brutally destroyed so sad bc i think they had great stage presence during their ld 50 era

  • @MISTERBABAD00K
    @MISTERBABAD00K 3 роки тому +13

    Another all female Nu-Metal band was Jack Off Jill. Highly underrated.

    • @lukelyall5879
      @lukelyall5879 Рік тому +2

      What about otep? The singer is female

    • @gmdone
      @gmdone Рік тому

      @@lukelyall5879 wow it´s been a while since I last listened to Otep , I remember it was very cool but also very cringy. I really liked when she stopped using effects on her voice in The Ascension, gotta check them again

    • @307cavalier5
      @307cavalier5 Рік тому +1

      ...JOJs Agent Moulder ❤

  • @darinsigmon3608
    @darinsigmon3608 3 роки тому +1

    Mudvayne can outdraw every one of these bands combined, except Korn. At worst Mudvayne is A-tier.Orgy was great and completely underrated. Korn are the Godfathers of nu-metal. Overall enjoyed the commentary from someone who loves numetal.

  • @dylanmarken8429
    @dylanmarken8429 3 роки тому +3

    As I've said for years.. Nu Metal needs a come back. As someone on another channel said. Everyone in rock nowadays is either to Pop or too Metal and everyone follows the same formula.
    There's a market that has dried up and is just waiting for some Nu Metal nourishment

  • @BL0CKchainGANG
    @BL0CKchainGANG 3 роки тому +1

    ORGY AND SOULFLY ARE ABSOLUTELY FXXKIN AWESOME.... and you already know about corn top-notch...