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MADE TO MEASURE SUIT REVIEW SHOWDOWN - Indochino vs Suit Supply vs Oliver Wicks and More
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- Опубліковано 17 кві 2017
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Questions I am always getting is which suit company is the best? Which MTM Suit company should I buy? What is the best online suit company? Recommended suit company? Hopefully this video helps answer those questions!
All of my previous MTM Suit unboxings can be found here: • Custom Suit Discovery
30 second suit test: www.artofmanliness.com/2017/02...
$500 vs $5000 suit www.gentlemansgazette.com/500...
$100 vs $1000 Suit: • $100 Suit vs $1000 Sui...
Fused vs Half Canvas Suits: • Fused - Glued Suit vs....
This video is not sponsored, I am unboxing on camera because I love the brand and want to share better menswear with the world. Have a product you would like me to review? Comment below or email info@thekavalier.net
The Kavalier is an independent review network presented by Jon Shanahan for men’s lifestyle products from online only retailers including Everlane, Beckett and Simonon, Frank and Oak, Bonobos, Five Four Club, Mizzen and Main, Trunk Club, Fashion Stork, Bombfell, threads for gents, bespoke post, Jack Erwin, Foremost Edition, Dollar Shave Club, Mack Weldon, MeUndies, Satchel and Page, Dapper Classics, Hall and Madden, Suitable, Indochino, and Gustin. Including products from companies from Mondaine Swiss Watches, Withings, Guideboat, Casper & Leesa Mattresses, Calvin Klein, Ledbury, Burberry, Banana Republic, Charles Tyrwhitt, J Crew, Marine Layer, Stitch Fix, Barbour, Orvis, Baxter of California, and more! Suggestions for products and companies are always appreciated- Comment below
I've been scouring the internet for a succinct logical comparison of the big names when it comes to MTM suits. You nailed it with this video, thank you.
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The knot on your tie does not look good with that shirt collar .
Honestly, this is the best menswear channel on UA-cam. No over advertising like alpha m and rmrs. Not as long and dreary as gentlemans gazette, and you do actual product reviews and give great commentary on the huge brands that everyone is asking about. I also find myself actually finishing your videos, unlike other channels where I lose interest fast.
Thank you Trent! Feel like I’ve come a long way since this video too. Appreciate the feedback!
Agreed on every point.
He and the Gentlemans Gazette are the best for the reason you said
@@The_Kavalier absolutely even now youre amazing with your videos. Awesome work man please never sell out
We need Jon back!
Really good video. I have been following you for a while now and it is nice to see that you seem more confident for every video that you put out and you feel a lot more natural infront of the camera. Great job
Where each MTM brand makes their suits...
Indochino - Dayang's factory in Dalian, China
Hockerty - Shanghai , China
Black Lapel - China
Oliver Wicks - Bulgaria, Europe
Suitsupply - China
Oliver Wicks doesn't garner enough attention as they're fairly new but their customer service and quality was unexpectedly positive. They work with well known fabric mills in Italy , my emails were answered within 1-2 business days. Emilia is awesome! There are also discount codes that can be found for OW. They're underrated!
Great video. Thanks. I have a Suit Supply off the rack and I love it. Fits me beautifully. I get complements every time I wear it. After watching this I'll go with OW next time. Thanks for these videos. I appreciate the guidance!
Thanks, I am buying my first suit and this showdown made my decision clear, along with a video of the gentleman's gazette. I decided to go to Oliver wicks so thank you I very much appreciate it and I'm excited to receive my first suit
I had an excellent experience with Indochino. I went to one of their showrooms, told them exactly how I wanted it to fit, and 4 weeks later it came. It fit perfectly out of the box I didn't need single alteration.
That's great! As long as you look sharp and are happy-all that matters!
Pink Panda ...you went to there show room , did they take m t m or just your online numbers ? If you live in a city with one of thier show rooms , why didn't go with a independent shop ?
@@alexisknows6513 when I went to the showroom they had some of thier materials there but they offer everything they have online. They ask you to make sure you have an hour as they will measure you and get all your preferences. Then they order what you like and you just go home and wait. If you have a profile online you can customize your suit there and put it in your cart then get measured and they will be able to see it in your cart
How’d the suit hold up man
@@ethan7062 the original Indochino suit held its own. The recent once’s had shedding problems with the lining and even the pants ripped. I’d recommend Enzo Custom.
You should try out Suit Supply's Design Your Own Suit and Design Your Own Shirt options and review it!
This is a great video my friend. Never heard of Oliver wicks. I JUST bought a Banana Republic pinstripe suit and it is awesome but of course off the rack won't fit correctly. So soon I'll have to make some alterations. Darn, I wish I could have seen this video earlier. Thanks for this cool information though. 😁👍🏻
I tried Indochino and it was an utterly frustrating experience, the suit took weeks to arrive, was then blocked by customs (another €70 in customs fees), I tried it on and the pants were more or less fine but the jacket was completely wrong. I tried the remake process and it was a disaster, ultimately they kept my money and I have no suit. Customer service was horrific, really appreciate that you provided an honest review here.
Thanks ,, you directed me to suit supply and Oliver wicks!
Excellent video thanks so much for all the helpful advice I wish to inquire if you ever videos on neck wear pocket squares and men's accessories in general again thanks for a job very well done!
excellent excellent! trying to decide what to wear for my wedding but being 34 chest and a 27 waist at 5'9" there's not much I can work with off the rack.
I couldn't agree more, my Indochino experience was terrible. Even after further tailoring I'm left with an inferior product which doesn't fit properly.
Fantastic, dude. Appreciate the time, effort and money it all took to get that short, 'lowdown' on the best MTM! Thanks again
Thank you greatly for this video! I'm recently looking for new suit brands and I love the best suit brands you mentioned in the video. Subbed ! 👔
THANK YOU! Ordered a Black Lapel suit because of you a while back and was VERY Happy with it. The material for their navy suit was even better in person than it was in the picture...hands down
Great! Nothing feels better than a great fitting dapper suit!
I have been looking for this video for a long time. It confirmed my opinion that Oliver Wicks was a great option. Thanks!
Great information and to the point! I'm fortunate to be able to buy off the rack, but I do like hearing about different online options.
Thanks for the review, iv been shopping for my wedding suit first went to mens warehouse and then started to read reviews that was quickly out. Started seeing videos on BL and thanks to this video im sold.
I called my closest Suit Supply location in California and found out a few things. The custom made suits do include free alterations at first, but there's no guarantee for alterations later if you find something doesn't fit well later, unlike Oliver Wicks 365 day guarantee. The custom made suits at SS start at $639, which is not the same as their Made-to-Measure service, which only available at certain locations, and starts at $999. The custom made lets you choose your fabric and a few basic options and you choose a basic size, which can then be altered for free (one time), whereas the MTM has more fabric and customization options similar to OW MTM service. One thing You mentioned in the video with your flow chart is if you want it fast and there's a location near you, then go with SS, but talking to the representative I was told the average time for their Custom-Made suits is 4-6weeks, and due to chinese new year (and their suits being made in china) it would be 7-8 weeks as of right now. Due to this information, I think it's hard to compare SS MTM starting at $999 to Oliver Wick's MTM service starting at $499. With SS Custom Made, it starts at $639, which is closer in price, but 4-6 weeks, or in my case, 7-8 weeks, Oliver Wicks is still the fastest option, and that's for an actual MTM suit with more fabric and customization options.
With this information, I'd like to ask you what you would prefer in terms of quality between Oliver Wicks and Suit Supply.
He said"I get a free shirt, you get a free shirt" , you knowi was looking in the more section like a crazy man. Lol great vid
Excellent advice, thank you!
LOVE my Indochino suit. The crew in store was amazing. Very helpful with the sizing and everything. Fabrics were really nice. The alterations were covered up to $75 (I didn't pay any extra for it) and completed in two weeks. Every time I wear it out I get tons of compliments on it. I'd HIGHLY recommend going in to an Indochino store to get fitted for the first one and once the measurements are updated on the final fit of that then order online.
I just had one made as well. Maybe they've upped their game or the person at the store is measuring properly.
How’s that suit holding up bro
@@Camrographerhow’s it holding up ? Would you still recommend
Not sure if this is directed towards me. The suit is in great condition but it's not something I wear regularly so it's probably not a good example. @@ethan7062
Awesome review man. Glad I went with oliver wicks, got the free shirt too which was a plus. I had to get alterations and they were quick to refund the amount spent on a tailor. Buying another suit or tux soon for my own wedding and recommended them to all my friends and groomsmen. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
Love this video man. You're giving what the people need. Good reviews between known brands.
totally agreed!
Thanks for the Oliver Wicks recommendation, I was already leaning towards them after getting an Indochino suit. Oliver wicks seems to have better fabrics, styling and the 125 dollar tailoring credit is much better than Indochino's 75 dollar credit. Great insights!
Keep hem coming! I look forward to your videos and experiences. Ciao.
Great video! You got it exactly right. I've spent the past year buying from each one of these companies and I completely agree with your thoughts. I personally prefer Black Lapel over Oliver Wicks ( I have two suits from each of them),
I personally prefer the construction of the BL suits better than OW. I'm very picky about fit in the shoulder and BL nailed it. The craftsmanship with the detailing is also better than OW. OW buttonholes showed some fraying, but BL stitching was clean and beautiful. The customer service is also slightly better at BL.
I believe OW is 100% machine made with hand detailing if you specifically ask for it. BL does more handmade work. But OW has the upper hand in terms of fabric quality from well-know Italian mills and more alterations reimbursement. OW also has a stiffer canvas material which works well for formal suits but not so great with more casual suits.
Great video. Thanks for the update on the companies. Here's my two cents:
My first suit from Indochino fit great, after they remade the pants. That was a couple of years ago; last week I ordered my second suit. Their prices have gone up a fair bit since then, being about on par with Oliver Wicks. A couple of days after ordering, I received an email from them saying "Thanks for ordering, we hope you're looking forward to your new shirt!".
I emailed back, but did not receive a personalized reply. Rather, it was an automated email saying a case has been created and they are looking into it. I am not pleased. Finally, I came across this video just now, and I'm 100% sold on Oliver Wicks.
Just now, I'm trying to cancel the order/request a refund, but it appears Indochino no longer offer a refund, only a credit. Since I need the suit for a gig later in August (read: time-sensitive), I am really not feeling good about this purchase. I sent Indochino a pretty aggressive letter asking them to stop production of my suit/shirt/hat/whatever they're making and process a refund. I will let you fine folks know what comes out of it.
For anyone who's on the fence, Indochino no longer offers refunds, but Oliver Wicks appears to. I recommend going with the latter, especially if customer service is as the Kavalier describes.
Can you please do an updated version of this video? Greatly appreciated! Love your videos from Singapore :)
Great video! Where would you place Lanieri?
Solid breakdown. Found myself trying to hit like multiple times. Appreciate your presentation!
Thanks for the review and sharing your experience. What companies do you have referral promo?
really helpfull, thanks for testing so many companies
Love the content of this video! I'm looking at getting a wedding suit from Suit Supply or Tom James. I know Suit Supply has half-canvassed suits and from what I read pretty good materials (I also like the price). With Tom James their custom made suit is fused and starts at $750. Apparently the material is good. Which one would you advise to go with?
Where are these company’s???
Great comparisons! Very helpful.
Updated version of this video coming soon, did this almost 3 years ago!!
Great video, thank you! You tipped the scales to OW for me. I'm trying to use your OW link in the description, but it seems to be broken. Again, thanks! Keep up the good work!
Really helpful! Thanks
Indochino was the first MT.M. I bought. That was around 10 years ago and I went to their Boston showroom. I'm afraid I was disappointed. While the fit was acceptable (after alterations) the fabric was not nor was the construction. The fabric was light with all the problems you mentioned. The construction was what one would expect from an inexpensive off the rack suit. Among other disappointments the canvas was bonded thus the jacket started puckering within a few years. I now go to a showroom in Boston, Hive & Colony. They do not offer internet service but have showrooms in several cities.While I am spending more for my suits I am getting the quality and fit I expect.
Great video! Earned another subscriber!
Thank you for your content, K. I like to see quality & practical clothing options for men on display; too much of today's clothing is sophisticated by the fashion industry.
You just saved me from going down a rabbit hole with Indochino. Thank you!
I won’t chose a MTM suit online. That is where I have to provide my own measurements. When I have a suit made I want the tailor to take my measurements.
I was highly put off by Indochino. I took a trip to my closest SuitSupply to look into a tux for my wedding. As I was walking through the mall i spotted an Indochino and stopped by to check it out and perhaps get my numbers professionally measured. I was the only customer in the store but wasnt approached by any of the employees and when i finally went up to one of them I was told I had to go online or call to make an appt to get measured. I understand procedure and all..but again..empty store..C'mon guy. Fast forward to SuitSupply and I couldnt ask for better customer service! Ended up with a tux im in love with. Short jacket length is a quirk (38L needed another 3/4 let out) and its an adjustment wearing your pants higher up as their fit calls for but overall im a huge fan. Definitely going to return.
incredibly helpful:)
Great video, I was actually considering Combatant Gentleman for my next suit.
I'd be cautious, they have had a lot of issues with order fulfillment and have been shutting down in the last year
Great review! You definitely should get sponsored, I just ordered the Blue Saxony Suit with Peak lapels and this will be my first suit from BlackLapel. Thanks!
For anyone looking for a good suit in CT . I went by Vanentinos Tailors in Hamden CT they have great suits 220 wool for $550 with tailoring included . Great review man keep it up .
Man! Wish I saw this a few years ago 🙃
good to know!! thank you!!
thanks for your hard work on this video. well worth he wait. I have 3 suits from OW and had a great experience dealing with them. this video confirmed I made the right choice
@The Kavalier
Hi Kavalier, great video! I just got my first oliver wicks suit, and I have to agree with you about the outstanding quality. I am just hoping suit supply starts offering a MTM online service. Anyways, I am interested in black lapel, but before I invest in another suit, can you tell me if the wool quality is just as good as oliver wicks? Unfortunately, they don't post the mills they receive their fabrics from. Are we just left to assume that they're using high quality fabrics like VBC?
Were you ever thinking of doing an update for this video? I know some of the brands have changed their stylings and constructions
You nailed it! This is exactly the type of information I had been looking for. There are so many MTM companies out there and I want to try one but couldn't find someone who had tried them all to see which one is best. I'm going to watch the unboxing videos for each of them now. Thank you!
Good review. I have just preder with Suitopia. Do you have any experience with them ?
I really like those cocktail cuffs
You definitely earned my subscription with that video. real time , real investment in product research. Well done.
thank you for this!
Great Video! I have a question: Have you tried or know about the super 150 -160 fabric of Oliver wicks?. Im thinking abut buying a suit with this fabric but I dont know if the difference between super 120 and super 160 is not much.
Very helpful - thank you! :)
Awesome!! Thank you!
Hey you need to make more videos on MTM suits please !!!
Great video! Refreshing to see a men's style UA-camr with integrity. Will be checking out Oliver Wicks
I guess I'm quite lucky to live in a city with 2 SuitSupply locations. I've bought a couple, and they're really, really good. Fit me perfectly...
I’m so glad I found your channel. I’m 6’4” and 170. Is impossible to find good fitting clothes off the rack. I would like to see you do a jeans and sport coat video
Thank you Justin! My plan is to cover more clothing for tall guys like us. Coming soon!
Would be great to see what you think about Spier & Mackay, they seem really high quality and decently priced
Thanks for the video! I purchased an Oliver Wicks suit earlier this year after seeing your unboxing video and it was the best suit decision I have ever made. They really are an awesome company! Is there any way you could review some of their other products like the shoes, shirts, etc.?
Yes I have been wearing their brown double monks for a few weeks and really like them
Awesome Video !!!
just found this channel- great info- very thorough, - usually watch Antonio Centeno, Alpha M and Raphael at GG- Your bringing something new to the table- digging some of your other vids as well- keep it up! Just subscribed!
Thank you! Trying my best, have made changes since this video always trying to improve!
Love the shirt you are wearing. It looks great.
Can you make a review on the Deo Veritas cocktail cuff shirt?
Hey. What are your thoughts on Shoulder Divot? I'm seeing this a lot and was wondering why you think this happens?
small shoulder measurement, tight arm holes, tight suit? all of the above? I hear some tailors say it's because arms are too "muscular"
First allow me to express my appreciation for the information you shared on MTM suits I have been trying to decide on a company to purchase from after viewing your video I chose to try Suit Supply and Black lapel unfortunately I was not able to get the suits I wish to order due to limited sizes and fabric selection I was told I could be put on a waiting list and notified later if the suit would be available I was however directed to the higher price suits selection which seem to have a wider offering size an fabric so my question here is does this seem to be a common issue with MTM suits ordering online or will I simply do just as well buying off the rack? Thanks (my size is 38 regular 30 waist 31 inseam)
Question, if you order an OTR from SS and you go to store to get it tailored,. Do you have to pay extra for the tailoring?
Great channel, you deserve more subs...
Could you do a review on Alton Lane? I am interested in their products and they have a store in my city. Also, can you review TRIO?
Hey, can you please do a review on a Ferreci Slim Suit. I know the company is barely known, but I really want to know your opinion! Thanks!
great video.
question, have you looked into stretch material suits and if you plan on purchasing some in the future, could you do a review in a similar format?
Yes. Looked at the Charles Tyrwhitt stretch suit recently but I think those are a trend
I know fabric (good friends with Fishman's Fabrics in Chicago) and I know tailoring. You have the most perfect review of any online video or written media. You are succinct, to the point, you clarify and qualify stating what you know and what is your opinion. I hope you're making seven figures somewhere, because if you're not, you should find a place that will.... your common sense is uncommon (GK Chesterton). Thank you!
What custom options do you choose? And why?
Awesome videos Kavalier! I wanted to reach out and see if you have any thoughts on Hive & Colony. thanks
First I've heard of them. On my list now!
ThankYou, young man. Very well said.
Where did you get the tie you’re wearing w/the pinstripe shirt in the “shootout” video. Very cool....also, you said the name of the pinstripe shirt so fast, I couldnt’ understand the name. Please provide.
Thank you for this, I'm 2 weeks from buying my first MTM and I was debating for long time where to risk my money.
If I may offer a small piece of advice, don't think it's a risk because you'll be in that state and looking for issues all the time. Instead, enjoy the process and be grateful that you're able to have this kind of suit and a great body to wear it on. All the best.
Alex.
If you wanted to buy a tux for a wedding, which brand would you recommend from suitssupply or black lapel?
I just bought a suit from Oliver Wicks because of this review! Thanks.
How was it?
can you let us know how did it go??
I've had a different experience with Combat Gent. Their stuff isn't the highest quality, but that's to be expected. For what it is though, I'd say my suits, shirts, and topcoat from them are very nice for the price.
Which fit did you get from Black Lapel? I'm considering either the slim fit or the tailored fit for myself. Would you say those fits are closer to Oliver Wicks's European styling?
Did you get that tie from Gentlemen’s Box? I have the same one.
Nailed it!!!
Should I get made to measure or off the rack
Even though Suitsupply is off the rack, it looks the best in all these from the fitting. That´s why I love Suitsupply so much. They just know how to make proper fittings that suit everyone who is not fat :D, but from slim up to muscular they cover everythign perfectly.
Thank you for this. The Black Lapel link is broken however, so you may want to re-link it.
Great vid... I've purchased several Jos. A. Banks off the rack and had them tailored but with only so-so results, largely because their styling was not up to date. I switched to made to measure and tried MySuit, with pretty good results at a great price. I then gave Indochino a try. Hated it. Absolutely hated the experience. Everything from the tailoring (had to have the jacket adjusted twice) to lies from the sales rep, to louse... absolutely lousy customer service. I wouldn't spit on that company if they were on fire. I'm about to give Kashiyama (new Japanese-style entry) a try, but will also try Oliver Wicks, as I prefer the European styling over any other... while keeping Black Lapen on stand-by... that was a gorgeous black suit with the maroon interior lining.
Great review!! I ordered both Oliver Wick and Black Lapel. The customer service of Oliver Wick was outstanding, but I didn't quite like the design of the suit. The Black Lapel was exact opposite - love the suit, but their customer service is average at best... takes way too long and too many attempts to get any response from them. Keep up the great reviews!!
Very spot on. My first MTM was from Oliver Wicks, then Dragon Inside. The construction and craftsmanship is really good. The suit feels good to the touch. Even if I made a few errors in my measurement it still looked and feels great on first try. Now, I just got my Indochino suit, badly constructed, you can feel the cheap Chinese work. It felt like an off the rack suit and sleeves are too short, too much fabric on the midsection. Just emailed them about the suits problems and yet to hear from them. We'll see how they will rectify this.
If you're looking for an MTM. Oliver Wicks all the way. I can't say much for Black Lapel since I haven't tried it.
Thank you Russel! When did you get Indochino? I've heard the same feedback consistently.
The Kavalier Just a month ago. The suit arrived yesterday.
Hey whats up man, first of all, thanks for the video, I almost made the mistake of buying indochino... and the reason why I was shopping indochino was because I got a MTM suit done by a company that a guy I know from college started. And the suit turned out absolutely terrible lol. 2 complete remakes and $125 of tailoring and I still cant wear it lol..... So it looks like I'll go ahead and try out Oliver Wicks. Thank you for the tips!
P.S. I do UA-cam as well, something I noticed in your video was the slight hissing noise in your microphone. You could easily remove that in audacity to improve your audio quality, there's some tutorials on youtube. If you want me to send you over the link to one just send me a message. Good luck.
I went to an 85 years old suit tailor that got his trainings in 60s Paris. he said the same on my Indochina suit. :)
The reason you couldn’t get your sleeves done on the black label suit is the worked button holes. The sleeves must be rehung from the shoulder, a Major alteration., which most tailors will not do.