I know I'm seeing this WAY after the fact, but I was just recommended your channel because of my love of industrial machining vids. That said, That is the BIGGEST damn "micro"meter I have EVER seen! NICE TOY!
Thanks Chris, it was nice to see the flame hardening at the end, and also see the mating with the other part! Your live hacking of G-Code is impressive!
Awesome looking piece. Machining at its finest Chris! Nothing like seeing what lurks inside that ugly raw piece of steel! I miss making those hot corn chips but didn't like getting hit by them.
Nie odbieraj tego że się czepiam następnym razem kazał bym wypiaskować lub wyśrutować detal przed obróbka (powinieneś zostać mistrzem produkcji wiórów ) detal niczego sobie fajny daje do myślenia co jemu się takie linie porobiły.
Great vid as always, thanks Chris. In regard to that forging, is it not possible for them to have forged a tapper on it to give you a bit less to have to rough off?
"TAPER" FFS! Seemed like a huge waste of time and material to me as well. Can't understand why the blank forging couldn't be a lot close to the finished shape than it was.
That was an open die forging, the modern equivalent to what a blacksmith produced. Tapers like a Morse type are possible. But this shape is nigh impossible open die and would require a set of closed dies, a large expense.
@@keithjurena9319 Easiest option I can think of would be casting, but that would mean different material properties that I'm assuming would not be ideal in this part.
Can't believe the part wasn' forged closer to final shape oven if it is an open die forging. Much stronger part. Much less waste. Can't believe all that was in there, surface finish and all, before the machinist uncovered it.
I was thinking the same but then again, if its not a mass produced part, it might be the customer does not care about the extra cost of longer machining time. And perhaps the extra machining time is less expensive than a more elaborate forging process.
@@ChrisMaj I see no issues in a manual lathe. Have done the same. In a CNC however it can be bad. I saw a guy almost loose his hand cause he forgot and hit the pedal to take the part out and the whole 15” 3 jaw chuck fell on his hand. His hand was crushed pretty bad.
@@jimhimesjr we do some stuff with 4-jaw chucked into hydraulic 3-jaw on our CNC, first thing I do after getting the 4jaw chucked up I turn the pedal away from me, first thing my coworker said me when I was learning how to operate that lathe :D Well, got 250mm 4-jaw chucked into 250mm 3-jaw to make some face grooves into 6mm round alu plate with 4 mickey-mouses (professional term!) on it´s OD 90° apart.... pretty normal thing to mount a chuck into a chuck, nothing to be worried about
@@piter_sk They typically had the pedal hidden but forgot to this one time. Daylight guy set the job up and 2nd shift guys hand got mangled on the first part change of his shift. Be careful is all I’m saying.
If you machine after flame hardening, do you have to change speeds & feeds? Looked like it was machining just fine after hardening. How hard will it wind up after machining?
@@ChrisMaj Great work. What's your trick to hold such close tolerance on those big parts. Also thanks for showing stuff, not just talking, like most machining channels do. There's only few UA-cam channels, that show big heavy machining, only only couple that shows the setup and step by step process. Trade school/college would not teach you that.
@@Andrey222ful There is no trick. First, hopefully your machine is in good shape that can handle tight tolerances and second, work on your measuring technique, make sure you get it right.
@@Andrey222ful Something that has helped me to hold a close tolerance on very costly parts is to add to the program a test cut of about half inch in length leaving about .01 to .015 stock, using same speed and feed as the actual finish cut. I measure that diameter to see how it compares to what I programed. Make an offset if needed and then I run my finish cut. 15 minutes to avoid the walk of shame to the front office ☹️
@@mikeep1000 Thanks for the tip. What's your usually final pass? 0.005" or less, because if less then it rubs and leaves a bad sometimes uneven finish.
Jakbyś na tej tokarce zrobił śrubkę do zegarka to było by coś a tu jkiś wałek jakieś rowki itp itd ale suma sumarum szacun za pomysłowość i fachowość Lublin patrzy i pozdrawia pozytywnie zakręcony 😁😁😁😁😁
I have a question: For long-running jobs like this, is the operator expected to remain at the machine supervising it the whole time, or are they given other tasks?
Dobre Panie Krzychu :) bylo troche skrawania... podoba mi sie jak Pan plytki wykozystal. Ps. nigdy nawet nie widzialem karuzeli a tutaj na poczatku zyrafe Pan pokazal :) PPs. Od tego mialem zaczac: Mitsubishi to chyba juz wszystko co sie da to wyprodukowalo w czasie swojej egzystencji... takie mam osobiste wrazenie :) Pozdrawiam
@Chris Maj Great job👍👍. Particularly second operation on lathe is very risky. Why cone surface is polished manually by emery sheet? to get the tolerance or to get surface finish? Hope might have consumed around 65 hours on VTL and around 30 hours on Lathe. Need confidence to take up this kind of component for machining.If some small mistake happens , will result in heavy loss. 👏👏👏
Hace años trabaje en un torno vertical shibaura el husillo cuadrado y la forma que hace el cambio de herramientas el mismo tipo de mordaza el control es diferente pero me trajo muy buenos recuerdos
Noice. (Not a machinist, please excuse my ignorance): guess you dont need coolant on some parts of the operation due to the sheer size of the stock you’re cutting?
Is it awkward to tweak sizes with the conversation cycles on the fanuc controller? I never bothered to used them myself. Always used g71 and g70 cycles.
Not often you see a vertical borer.... I had to use dials.... 😉..... On all the machines.... Well the ones they let me near.... Lathes, Mills, slotter of death... You know the ones...... Y'all take care now
I think the foundry (where the billet was forged) needs better quality control. They could've provided a conical billet and saved you hundreds of metal chips (not Casino Chips).
It is very simple to make basic rings of various sizes with roller and hammer forges; more complex geometries require specialized equipment. You'll pay extra for it, and it usually doesn't make financial sense unless it is a high volume production part.
@@ChrisMaj It is very simple to make basic rings of various sizes with roller and hammer forges; more complex geometries require specialized equipment. You'll pay extra for it, and it usually doesn't make financial sense unless it is a high volume production part.
@@ChrisMaj It is understandable that some may think removing so much material is wasteful, but you have to understand what goes into making a forging like what you had here. Most manufacturers can accommodate any inner/outer diameter and width you need, but likely aren't going to fool around with anything more complex due to difficulties on their end as well as a steep jump in cost on yours. Maybe if you were making 100's of them, sure it might be worth having a die made up for a press and getting closer to final geometry. But for a one-off what you are doing is the way to go, as unintuitive as it might be for those not familiar with practical limitations.
Is it me or is there a tool back there laying on a guest you can call it the floor of the machine back there I noticed it as their indexing tools if it is that's some pretty sloppy machine work
@@scotttipps8155 : Most modern video cameras have a zoom feature so the camera doesn't need to be near the subject. Just a bit of common 21st century information for ya' though.
I can't be the only person who find the rough turning segment to be so satisfying to watch...
The unevenness of the metal is crazy
I know I'm seeing this WAY after the fact, but I was just recommended your channel because of my love of industrial machining vids. That said, That is the BIGGEST damn "micro"meter I have EVER seen! NICE TOY!
Seems like youtube is working in my favor. Hope you'll check out more videos.
Fantastische Arbeit...einfach nur Mega😀😀😀
Danke, ich weiß das zu schätzen
i love that you have a smaller chuck in the larger chuck, instead of changing chucks ^^
Very cool. Love the music at the end.👍👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks Chris, it was nice to see the flame hardening at the end, and also see the mating with the other part! Your live hacking of G-Code is impressive!
Well thank you, I'm glad you liked it.
He wasnt hardening the part he was heating it to expand the bore probably a .003-.005 press fit on the shaft
I swear, this dude is an artist of hardened metal
Super robota detal wykonany cudnie :)
W stalowni tak ładnie długo nie będzie wyglądał.
Great job, Chris! Congratulations and respect!
Thank you so much 😀
Yes the tool change on the Goodway vertical mill-turn center is painfully slow. Goodway makes a very good machine though.
At the tire shop they use a smaller one of these tapered spindles when they balance my wheels and tires
Класс!
Крис, ты красавчик в своём деле! ⚙️🔩🛠️
Многие поняли? DCBNR + CNMG гениально👍👍👍
Карусельный с CNC. Когда-то обслуживал такие. Электронику. Интересная была работа.
Awesome looking piece. Machining at its finest Chris! Nothing like seeing what lurks inside that ugly raw piece of steel! I miss making those hot corn chips but didn't like getting hit by them.
Amazing project should be displayed for all to be admired. Well done!
It's not going to look like this for long.
Everything about this video is impressive. Thanks for sharing your skills with us.
I'm glad you like it.
Wow! Never knew CNC machines could mill stuff this big. Very impressive; fun to watch. Thanks!
You mean turn....It's a lathe
Perfekcja - jak zawsze, Panie Chris ;-)
Nie odbieraj tego że się czepiam następnym razem kazał bym wypiaskować lub wyśrutować detal przed obróbka (powinieneś zostać mistrzem produkcji wiórów ) detal niczego sobie fajny daje do myślenia co jemu się takie linie porobiły.
No niestety, gdzie duże sztuki to i dużo wiór. Te linie to zostały po hartowaniu płomieniowym ,czy jak to tam po waszemu nazywają (flame hardening)
красота) все по уму ! оператор станка красавчик !
Muy bueno que modernas es la máquina muy prolijo saludo desde Rafael Calzada.Buenos Aires.Argentina
0:14 OD = 26” (152mm)? 🤔
It's 660 mm. How did I miss that 🤔
@@ChrisMaj ... whats 20" between friends .... social distancing !! 😂
@@ChrisMaj Most important you didn't set it wrong into the machine.
@@Peppins I would have noticed it sooner or later 😅
that must have cost a fortune to machine. that CNC lathe is a monster. what a massive chuck. nice work
This is still small for a vertical turning center. This can also do 4-axis milling.
Excelente trabajo. Compañero. Bendiciones.
26" = 660.4 mm
Bro
26'=mm? Tell me please
@@mohd.shadab-0783 1"=25.4
26*25.4=660.4
@@sparmar4884 " Second ka simble hota h na
On le sais tqt
Спасибо
Damn, thats the biggest live center ive ever seen
How many hours to make? I did some steam gates for the New Jersey, and three air craft carriers on a Mori Sikie LL7.
Lots of turning 😀
14:00 That's not a micrometer, it's a MACROmeter! :D
Kawał dobrej roboty 😊pozdrowiam
Dzięki 👍
Great vid as always, thanks Chris. In regard to that forging, is it not possible for them to have forged a tapper on it to give you a bit less to have to rough off?
I've heard that it's difficult to get a tapper on a forging, especially something like this where there's nothing to grab on to, but I might be wrong.
"TAPER" FFS!
Seemed like a huge waste of time and material to me as well. Can't understand why the blank forging couldn't be a lot close to the finished shape than it was.
@@christopherdean1326 Maybe more expensive to forge the cone shape more, than to machine it?. And at least all the swarf is recyclable .
That was an open die forging, the modern equivalent to what a blacksmith produced. Tapers like a Morse type are possible. But this shape is nigh impossible open die and would require a set of closed dies, a large expense.
@@keithjurena9319 Easiest option I can think of would be casting, but that would mean different material properties that I'm assuming would not be ideal in this part.
Super nice video 👍🏻
Can't believe the part wasn' forged closer to final shape oven if it is an open die forging. Much stronger part. Much less waste.
Can't believe all that was in there, surface finish and all, before the machinist uncovered it.
I was thinking the same thing. There was way more weight in shavings than the finished product 😮
I was thinking the same but then again, if its not a mass produced part, it might be the customer does not care about the extra cost of longer machining time. And perhaps the extra machining time is less expensive than a more elaborate forging process.
Superb work Chris, I would never have coped with the CNC as I liked my bridge port and a .200th leadscrew remembering the back lash lol
Glad you enjoyed it
Boss: Not bad for 20 minutes of work, next time do it in 10.
Me:
You must work where I do.
The owner turns into Rain Man flipping over People's Court
🤣
Very impressive, I’ve never seen a Chuck mounted in a Chuck before.
Some people don't really like that idea, but it saves me a lot of time.
@@ChrisMaj I see no issues in a manual lathe. Have done the same. In a CNC however it can be bad. I saw a guy almost loose his hand cause he forgot and hit the pedal to take the part out and the whole 15” 3 jaw chuck fell on his hand. His hand was crushed pretty bad.
@Jim Himes I don't have that problem. None of my chucks are hydraulic.
@@jimhimesjr we do some stuff with 4-jaw chucked into hydraulic 3-jaw on our CNC, first thing I do after getting the 4jaw chucked up I turn the pedal away from me, first thing my coworker said me when I was learning how to operate that lathe :D Well, got 250mm 4-jaw chucked into 250mm 3-jaw to make some face grooves into 6mm round alu plate with 4 mickey-mouses (professional term!) on it´s OD 90° apart.... pretty normal thing to mount a chuck into a chuck, nothing to be worried about
@@piter_sk They typically had the pedal hidden but forgot to this one time. Daylight guy set the job up and 2nd shift guys hand got mangled on the first part change of his shift. Be careful is all I’m saying.
The carbide insert looks very good
Amazing video! Keep it up!
Негода одобряет подобную экономию металла. :)
маловероятно, ибо экономии около 0.
Hi Cheis
I'm over here in Cape Girardeau Missouri and was wondering if you could make a nose cone thing and send it to me. I'm making a coffee table..
amazing finish turning affter hardening in the universal chuck
Шикарно, жаль никогда не поработать на таком оборудовании, прям завидую...
*Trabalho MARAVILHOSO. ... Parabéns. ... Beetho, da "Boomerang Flowers Band ®", de Belo Horizonte (MG), Brasil.*
Beautiful work!
If you machine after flame hardening, do you have to change speeds & feeds? Looked like it was machining just fine after hardening. How hard will it wind up after machining?
Awesome work. Great to see some of the live programming.
Goodway CNC , Amazing !
Great work.
I don't know if it is a live center for a lathe but it looks like one.
Ładne GUI ma ten panel. Uzyskana część - piękna.
No staram się.
Did you nail the 13.999 +.001 -.000 bore on the first pass? Or did you have to iterate? 🤔
I usually take two finish cuts. There's no room for "maybe I'll get it the first time "
@@ChrisMaj Great work. What's your trick to hold such close tolerance on those big parts. Also thanks for showing stuff, not just talking, like most machining channels do. There's only few UA-cam channels, that show big heavy machining, only only couple that shows the setup and step by step process. Trade school/college would not teach you that.
@@Andrey222ful There is no trick. First, hopefully your machine is in good shape that can handle tight tolerances and second, work on your measuring technique, make sure you get it right.
@@Andrey222ful Something that has helped me to hold a close tolerance on very costly parts is to add to the program a test cut of about half inch in length leaving about .01 to .015 stock, using same speed and feed as the actual finish cut. I measure that diameter to see how it compares to what I programed. Make an offset if needed and then I run my finish cut. 15 minutes to avoid the walk of shame to the front office ☹️
@@mikeep1000 Thanks for the tip. What's your usually final pass? 0.005" or less, because if less then it rubs and leaves a bad sometimes uneven finish.
Master of Machining
What's the cycle time for the roughing?
There was some amount of material to remove on that blank.
Tell you the truth, I don't remember. We are a repair shop so we don't count every second. I just have to get the job done.
@@ChrisMaj The raw part didn't look that broken ^^
Was relaxing to watch you(r/ at) work
Impressive to see that huge hula dance at the beginning to near zero deflection after your first top cut.
Definitely a “measure twice cut once” situation
Yeah, you got that right.
At 15 s, The OD and ID are both converted to 152 mm. The OD should be 660 mm.
How many time you need to complete all the process?
Is that the same part on the horizontal lathe as the vertical one? The size of them seem so different.
Yeah it's the same part.
Не слабые допуски для такой крупной деталюшки.
Jakbyś na tej tokarce zrobił śrubkę do zegarka to było by coś a tu jkiś wałek jakieś rowki itp itd ale suma sumarum szacun za pomysłowość i fachowość Lublin patrzy i pozdrawia pozytywnie zakręcony 😁😁😁😁😁
Za bardzo się stresuję jak robię coś małego. Ja muszę wiedzieć co robię a nie szukać kawałka przez szkło powiększające.
@@ChrisMaj podobny masz charakter jak ja im większe tym lepsze 😁😁😁😁
I work on a vertical lathe with a 4 meter diameter bushing, I make high voltage electric motors
Usinage de haute technologie 👍
Those are some huge cuts!
Precision of 0? AWESOME O_O
Yo siempre he dicho que el hombre siempre su veneno más grande. Es criticar criticar no se arregla nada. Y cada quien haga su. Chamba
I have a question: For long-running jobs like this, is the operator expected to remain at the machine supervising it the whole time, or are they given other tasks?
Most of the work I do is one-offs, so I gotta keep an eye on it.
@@ChrisMaj Makes sense, thanks. Never been in a machine shop before, love your videos.
I thought that kind of Micrometer lives only on a fairy tale, well I just saw a legend.
Ausgezeichnet!! Vielen Dank.
what time? tr? te? i think about 40h for one part? Nice Work!
Dobre Panie Krzychu :) bylo troche skrawania... podoba mi sie jak Pan plytki wykozystal.
Ps. nigdy nawet nie widzialem karuzeli a tutaj na poczatku zyrafe Pan pokazal :)
PPs. Od tego mialem zaczac: Mitsubishi to chyba juz wszystko co sie da to wyprodukowalo w czasie swojej egzystencji... takie mam osobiste wrazenie :)
Pozdrawiam
@Chris Maj
Great job👍👍. Particularly second operation on lathe is very risky. Why cone surface is polished manually by emery sheet? to get the tolerance or to get surface finish? Hope might have consumed around 65 hours on VTL and around 30 hours on Lathe.
Need confidence to take up this kind of component for machining.If some small mistake happens , will result in heavy loss. 👏👏👏
The cush work for a shop, chips & smoke with long cycle times
What are they used for mate I've seen you do these before amazing quality
They use it somewhere in the steel mill. I don't really know the details.
It's an uncoiler mandrel for steel coils.
Hace años trabaje en un torno vertical shibaura el husillo cuadrado y la forma que hace el cambio de herramientas el mismo tipo de mordaza el control es diferente pero me trajo muy buenos recuerdos
Игорь Негода такую заготовку на ТВ-4 обточит, как здрасти!
да уж ) а если за дело возьмутся еще еще Бербраер и Певцов с молчуном, то я думаю они за 4 минуты уложатся, из которых 3 будут спорить кто начнет )))
How much time you take to complete this job?
There was a lot of operations vtl, flame hardening, lathe so I don't really know.
👍👍👍 that was awesome, thanks
You bet
Noice.
(Not a machinist, please excuse my ignorance): guess you dont need coolant on some parts of the operation due to the sheer size of the stock you’re cutting?
I'm using coolant, just trying not to use it while recording.
What is a mandrel cone ? What does it do ?
fortella la pendant fer the dusrry planner!!
Where does the company you work for get their forgings ?
Is it awkward to tweak sizes with the conversation cycles on the fanuc controller? I never bothered to used them myself. Always used g71 and g70 cycles.
Probably 80% of programming I do is on FANUC manual guide. You can quickly change between roughing and finishing cycles.
Wondering what it is for???
Where did you study?
how many hrs dis that take?
So you manually set all the parameter to cut out the inner bore? Bahaha, I love the micrometre.
Yeah, the whole thing was hand programed.
That is extremely cool!
Here is a silly question... where does somebody learn this stuff initially? Is it apprenticed OJT or a school?
First I went to trade school all manual machines then started working at a repair machine shop manual and then cnc and here I am 25 years later.
@@ChrisMaj thanks!
Not often you see a vertical borer.... I had to use dials.... 😉..... On all the machines.... Well the ones they let me near.... Lathes, Mills, slotter of death... You know the ones...... Y'all take care now
Is this a major tool? I know they have some huge machinery
How much time it's taken
Tip of a ball pencil?
Haha yeah, big ass pencil.
was hatte das für eine Laufzeit ?
How many machine hours did that take?
I think the foundry (where the billet was forged) needs better quality control. They could've provided a conical billet and saved you hundreds of metal chips (not Casino Chips).
It is very simple to make basic rings of various sizes with roller and hammer forges; more complex geometries require specialized equipment. You'll pay extra for it, and it usually doesn't make financial sense unless it is a high volume production part.
@@ChrisMaj Thanks for your reply Chris.
why not (face rough) mill then turn?
can't the foundry supply stock that is closer to the finished dimensions so you don't have to machine off 70% of the material?
I'm not sure, but I think more complex the forging is it gets more expensive.
@@ChrisMaj It is very simple to make basic rings of various sizes with roller and hammer forges; more complex geometries require specialized equipment. You'll pay extra for it, and it usually doesn't make financial sense unless it is a high volume production part.
@@nemo5654 Thank you for explaining things. Sometimes people think it's cheaper to get a forging or casting and it's not always the case.
@@ChrisMaj It is understandable that some may think removing so much material is wasteful, but you have to understand what goes into making a forging like what you had here. Most manufacturers can accommodate any inner/outer diameter and width you need, but likely aren't going to fool around with anything more complex due to difficulties on their end as well as a steep jump in cost on yours. Maybe if you were making 100's of them, sure it might be worth having a die made up for a press and getting closer to final geometry. But for a one-off what you are doing is the way to go, as unintuitive as it might be for those not familiar with practical limitations.
Good to see windows xp in use
Is it me or is there a tool back there laying on a guest you can call it the floor of the machine back there I noticed it as their indexing tools if it is that's some pretty sloppy machine work
Damn you have a good eye. Yeah it's a tool, I needed a different tool put in in the same spot.
Why did you opt out of using coolant during the rough turning?
Probably to get a better filming with the camera instead of slinging coolant all over the place. Just a guess though
@@scotttipps8155 : Most modern video cameras have a zoom feature so the camera doesn't need to be near the subject. Just a bit of common 21st century information for ya' though.