It's a shame that we never get to see the CIS elements among the Rebel Alliance to show that they're not picky and had to use any Clone Wars-era weapons and equipment they can find and modify in order to fight against the Galactic Empire.
Admittedly, this is a flaw in Legends that wasn't fully rectified, and where Disney Canon (and also fanworks like the Reimagined campaign for TIE Fighter Total Conversion for X-Wing Alliance Upgrade) is doing arguably well.
@@michaelandreipalon359 It's always fun to see old CIS stuff and even Republic stuffed used to combat the Empire since like Ezra told Rex and Kalani, the Empire is the enemy to both.
They weren’t picky at all. They needed stuff for their fight so they’d take what they could get. But the Rebel Alliance was probably more wary of most automated stuff the CIS used during the Clone Wars due to programming.
@@teleportedbreadfor3days The likely didn't have the ability to control them either. They required control ships, which were vulnerable to the Empire's space superiority.
@@cstgraphpads2091 And the reliance of control ships generally wasn’t so strong after Naboo, last I checked. But you’re probably right. Plus I was thinking the need to reprogram these intentionally deadly automatic war machines were delicate hassles. The last thing they need is for people to die and things to go wrong because of these droids’ programming and reprogramming.
The War Crime that stuck out the most to me was the amount of times the protagonists faked a surrender or truce to get an advantage over the CIS Commanders. That's Perfidy, and it is a serious crime in war. It causes the enemy to stop taking surrenders or ceasefire talks seriously because they might think it's all a trap.
More creative than the original trilogy where everything was newly designed? Yes the prequel trilogy is more creative than the sequel trilogy but they had a lot of OT designs to work with, they had a design language to work from and thus knowledge of what the next generation of stuff looks like and could work backwards.
Idk about the “could work backwards” part considering everything made by the confederacy never had any inspiration from anything appeared in the OT (other than just general “star wars” design)
The droid gunship is easily my favorite ship. The fact that it really exploits the benefit of droid soldiers not needing any kind of atmosphere really pushes it over the top.
One thing I wish we could see more often in Star Wars are vehicles that are just giant droids. While I know that the AAT and Separatist capital ships were initially suppose to be used by organic crews, but imagine a giant, kilometer long ship that's just a giant droid that requires no crew and is equipped with big, red eyes that stare down upon the mortals below.
Droid crew, or more accurately small repair droids. Think about how much space within a ship is taken up by stuff dedicated to hosting organics, you need things like barracks/quarters, mess halls / galleys, waste management systems (toilets, sewage pipes, wastewater reclamation/purification facilities, etc), environmental / life support systems and their air ducts, a bridge, utility corridors and hell even hallways. Think of just how much shit is wasted space more or less in regards to what could be otherwise used for weapons or ship systems. And you need more and more of the ship dedicated to amenities as you size it up, tram/public transport systems, farms/food production facilities, proportional medical facilities, hell maybe even pleasure facilities. The biggest of warships we saw even have schools and foundries. So imagine you could get rid of all of that, at most having utility corridors snaking through the ship like capillaries designed around/for bespoke maintenance droids that are unusable to organics. Think of just how much more bang for your buck you could pack in on a ship like that.
@@antonberkbigler5759 I was including droids that are not the ship itself under crew, though I know it can be a somewhat ambiguous term if the robots are sentient or multipurpose. One other thing that would be neat about a ship designed to be crewed by small, non-humanoid robots, is that it would be nigh impossible to board without any hallways to walk through, unless you were willing to climb on the outside with Mag-boots while the ship was moving through space and hope there weren't any anti-boarder turrets.
Yeah although what the 2 main sides had going on way at a tremendous price tag and could only happen during that era unless the galaxy prepared many years for another massive build-up.
Yeah that particular piece of droid tech was a nasty little bugger, or perhaps a big one. It always did creep me out a bit to see them in action. I felt sorry for anyone who had to go up against them in combat
At least during the Onderion campaign, most of the fighting was kept to the jungles, where as during Ryloth, Hyenna Bombers took out several civilian cities, now that was a bigger war crime.
It would be cool if the New Republic use Super Tactical Droids. I'd love to see those machines try to help the New Republic pull a Manifest Destiny within the Unknown Regions.
Not the Helicopter Heap from HLVRAI, the HMP, but it's a beast regardless, even if it's enhanced with a proper cockpit and some infantry transport docks. The Droid Assault Flyer needs more love.
In the video game Battlefront (2004) they had a separatist gunship. And if you compare it to the one seen in episode 3. They both have a circular part to the design.
The HMP reminds me of the Scarabs from Halo, where they might be better classified as an uber infantry unit instead of a vehicle, since the vehicle itself is the pilot.
The war crime that stuck out most to me was either the seps recreation of the slave empire, or when Anakin faked a surrender and crashed his worship into the separatist fleet. Now they may never take prisoners again because there is precedence of republic ships pulling a fake surrender.
The HMP was a nightmare when they were deployed onto the battlefield, and even more so when the planet wasn't at conflict. I love this thing but even then this terrifies me to no end. For me on the subject of War Crimes, I'd have to go with anything involving civilian suffering from the attacks on innocents, enslavement, forcing unnecessary conflict on neutral people(Lurmen for the CIS and Talz for the Republic), and so much more. But that's war, the one's who suffer are innocent. Guilty never suffer in war, they're the one's who start them.
Bloody recoil due to the gun's power, orders to not kill the pursued, and dodgy Stormtrooper helmet HUD stuff. Of course, the first example can be easily solved by burst firing and a nice scope, while the third and last one can easily be solved by wearing a different, far better helmet, if not just use your own eyes instead.
My favorite war crimes or breaches of war edict are when the Jedi fain peace/ a truce and they instead launch a sneak attack. Like when Anakin was surrendering his flagship, but was actually plann😅NG to ram the enemy with the unmanned ship instead.
@@michaelandreipalon359 He almost defeated it, except for his idiotic idea about trying corrupt luke. I'd argue Jerec from Dark Forces II had the right idea, go to Ruusan, suck up thousands of sith and jedi spirits, begin apotheosis, and become a literal deity. Only Katarn cut him down before he had enough time to complete said apotheosis. Not even Abeloth would have been a match for him.
Jedi Council: A neutral planet's ruler has joined the CIS and some people rebels against the ruler... we will NOT send the clone army as it has nothing to do with the Clone Wars. Knight: but what about the other times we did just that, like with Mon Cala. Jedi Council: ........ we need to follow the will of the plot.. We mean the force.
It's weird that so many vehicles used by the CIS weren't controlled by an independent droid brain, rather using droids to pilot things exactly how an organic would. Shows that the sith really made the CIS pull it's punches
So many? I think the opposite is more true. homing spider droid, dwarf Spider Droid, the snail tank, this gunship, vulture droids, hyena bombers, hellfire droids, tri-droids. The only vehicles that weren't controlled by a droid brain (like the AAT) are the ones that also got exported to equip CIS non-droid planetary militaries.
My favorite, though probably least heinous, warcrime the jedi commited was Obi-Wan using a false flag of surrender to move his troops and cover an attack. It wasn't clever thinking, it was screwing any other units that need to surrender in the future.
I was never entirely clear if these things could be deployed from space or not. I mean, it's a repulsorcraft, not a starfighter... but it's also a droid, so it doesn't need to be protected from space. I know the LAAT could fly through space? Or at least it had a varient of itself that could, right?
I cant find out what kind of ordinance they were using on Onderon. It looks like there's no bodies of missiles, just a small clusters of light, but it's obviously explosive. Does anyone else know?
Is there any fiction of a overworked rebel alliance reprogramer? Like a slice of life thing. I bet a show that focused on a different story highlighting a different job in the universe would do well.
Gunships attacking rebels hiding out in the wilderness and a powerful political entity intervening by providing them with rocket launchers to take them out? Where have I heard this before? *Afghanistan intensifies.*
Also it is a think to point out that the king on Onderon is actually descended from an Ancient Sith Lord named Freedon Nadd. So the Jedi put the family of a Sith Lord back on the throne of a world they conquered.
Curious how even in SW guided munitions have changed war forever But, unlike the real world the empire just ignored it Shame And about Onderon, let me doubt... the following regime after the liberation at least according to Wookiepedia, was arguably worst, with clone troopers acting as the king's personal army and killing thousands more, combined with a role as some sort of secret police, the legimitate ruler was far, way far from clean. I always belived the republic was even more terrible than the seps, heavily imperialistic and ready to point the finger at any enemy crime to mask their own
The only reason why indiscriminate killing is justified in my view is when the entire society is incapable of reforming and is too rotten to be allowed to continue.
![The Disturbing Secrets Behind the Species that Designed the Droideka [& So Many Other Droids]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/utYZxVWTHVs/mqdefault.jpg)
HMP droid gunship: *has devestating firepower, ray shields, but is relatively slow*
Count Dooku: "So there is room for improvement."
It's a shame that we never get to see the CIS elements among the Rebel Alliance to show that they're not picky and had to use any Clone Wars-era weapons and equipment they can find and modify in order to fight against the Galactic Empire.
Admittedly, this is a flaw in Legends that wasn't fully rectified, and where Disney Canon (and also fanworks like the Reimagined campaign for TIE Fighter Total Conversion for X-Wing Alliance Upgrade) is doing arguably well.
@@michaelandreipalon359 It's always fun to see old CIS stuff and even Republic stuffed used to combat the Empire since like Ezra told Rex and Kalani, the Empire is the enemy to both.
They weren’t picky at all. They needed stuff for their fight so they’d take what they could get. But the Rebel Alliance was probably more wary of most automated stuff the CIS used during the Clone Wars due to programming.
@@teleportedbreadfor3days The likely didn't have the ability to control them either. They required control ships, which were vulnerable to the Empire's space superiority.
@@cstgraphpads2091 And the reliance of control ships generally wasn’t so strong after Naboo, last I checked. But you’re probably right. Plus I was thinking the need to reprogram these intentionally deadly automatic war machines were delicate hassles. The last thing they need is for people to die and things to go wrong because of these droids’ programming and reprogramming.
The War Crime that stuck out the most to me was the amount of times the protagonists faked a surrender or truce to get an advantage over the CIS Commanders. That's Perfidy, and it is a serious crime in war. It causes the enemy to stop taking surrenders or ceasefire talks seriously because they might think it's all a trap.
I love the vehicles from the Clone Wars, they are much more creative than any other Star Wars era.
More creative than the original trilogy where everything was newly designed? Yes the prequel trilogy is more creative than the sequel trilogy but they had a lot of OT designs to work with, they had a design language to work from and thus knowledge of what the next generation of stuff looks like and could work backwards.
Idk about the “could work backwards” part considering everything made by the confederacy never had any inspiration from anything appeared in the OT (other than just general “star wars” design)
Clones had the best vehicles
The droid gunship is easily my favorite ship. The fact that it really exploits the benefit of droid soldiers not needing any kind of atmosphere really pushes it over the top.
I love how it’s use on Onderon is heavily based on the Soviets and their Hind helicopters in Afghanistan
One thing I wish we could see more often in Star Wars are vehicles that are just giant droids. While I know that the AAT and Separatist capital ships were initially suppose to be used by organic crews, but imagine a giant, kilometer long ship that's just a giant droid that requires no crew and is equipped with big, red eyes that stare down upon the mortals below.
Having a ship controlled entirely by a droid brain would be cool, but you would still need some crew for maintenance at the very least.
Droid crew, or more accurately small repair droids. Think about how much space within a ship is taken up by stuff dedicated to hosting organics, you need things like barracks/quarters, mess halls / galleys, waste management systems (toilets, sewage pipes, wastewater reclamation/purification facilities, etc), environmental / life support systems and their air ducts, a bridge, utility corridors and hell even hallways. Think of just how much shit is wasted space more or less in regards to what could be otherwise used for weapons or ship systems. And you need more and more of the ship dedicated to amenities as you size it up, tram/public transport systems, farms/food production facilities, proportional medical facilities, hell maybe even pleasure facilities. The biggest of warships we saw even have schools and foundries. So imagine you could get rid of all of that, at most having utility corridors snaking through the ship like capillaries designed around/for bespoke maintenance droids that are unusable to organics. Think of just how much more bang for your buck you could pack in on a ship like that.
@@antonberkbigler5759 I was including droids that are not the ship itself under crew, though I know it can be a somewhat ambiguous term if the robots are sentient or multipurpose.
One other thing that would be neat about a ship designed to be crewed by small, non-humanoid robots, is that it would be nigh impossible to board without any hallways to walk through, unless you were willing to climb on the outside with Mag-boots while the ship was moving through space and hope there weren't any anti-boarder turrets.
Yeah although what the 2 main sides had going on way at a tremendous price tag and could only happen during that era unless the galaxy prepared many years for another massive build-up.
When it comes to visuals there's even a nominated candidate: Transformers Prime Decepticon Warship. It even has the eyes.
They could literally destroy entire squads of infantry in the matter of seconds and that not mentioning the weapons theses things can carry.
HMP gunships: invincible from blaster bolts in Onderon
Also HMP gunships: gets show down by a Wookie crossbow from a Wookie vehicle
As the late Alt-universe Han Solo once said while using Chewie's signature bowcaster in the ruins of Maz Kanata's castle, "I like this thing."
Maybe the wookiee gunner hit a weak spot in the energy shield.
The bowcaster fires plasma covered explosives so yeah get rekt hmp gunship
it took like a norm republic rocket launcher to take it down whereas Wookie Crossbows have the impact of a rocket
Yeah that particular piece of droid tech was a nasty little bugger, or perhaps a big one. It always did creep me out a bit to see them in action. I felt sorry for anyone who had to go up against them in combat
At least during the Onderion campaign, most of the fighting was kept to the jungles, where as during Ryloth, Hyenna Bombers took out several civilian cities, now that was a bigger war crime.
Eh, most of the cities don't have civilians anymore, and endless street fighting is way more nightmarish.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Fair, but still, some Twi'leks did get killed in those city attacks.
I was not expecting a show(that was originally supposed to be for younger audiences) to literally have a scene where civilian towns get napalmed.
The droid gunship is One of my favorite ships in star wars
The HMP Gunship is one of my favorite Droid's ever.
One of if not my fav ships
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It would be cool if the New Republic use Super Tactical Droids. I'd love to see those machines try to help the New Republic pull a Manifest Destiny within the Unknown Regions.
Not the Helicopter Heap from HLVRAI, the HMP, but it's a beast regardless, even if it's enhanced with a proper cockpit and some infantry transport docks.
The Droid Assault Flyer needs more love.
In the video game Battlefront (2004) they had a separatist gunship. And if you compare it to the one seen in episode 3. They both have a circular part to the design.
The HMP reminds me of the Scarabs from Halo, where they might be better classified as an uber infantry unit instead of a vehicle, since the vehicle itself is the pilot.
Yay, another video on the droid gunship. I really enjoyed the video you guys made on the droid gunship a few years ago, so this is a real treat.
The war crime that stuck out most to me was either the seps recreation of the slave empire, or when Anakin faked a surrender and crashed his worship into the separatist fleet. Now they may never take prisoners again because there is precedence of republic ships pulling a fake surrender.
I’m sorry, what is happening?
The HMP was a nightmare when they were deployed onto the battlefield, and even more so when the planet wasn't at conflict.
I love this thing but even then this terrifies me to no end.
For me on the subject of War Crimes, I'd have to go with anything involving civilian suffering from the attacks on innocents, enslavement, forcing unnecessary conflict on neutral people(Lurmen for the CIS and Talz for the Republic), and so much more. But that's war, the one's who suffer are innocent. Guilty never suffer in war, they're the one's who start them.
The clone wars war crime that stuck out to me the most was in season 7 where Anakin faked a surrender.
Video Idea: Why Stormtroopers Can't Aim
Bloody recoil due to the gun's power, orders to not kill the pursued, and dodgy Stormtrooper helmet HUD stuff.
Of course, the first example can be easily solved by burst firing and a nice scope, while the third and last one can easily be solved by wearing a different, far better helmet, if not just use your own eyes instead.
And plot armor
Plot armor 90% of the time
Ugh, not "plot armor." The debased yet necessary whims and wills of the Force is where it's all at.
Plot armor, the Force, the writers just wanting to have fun toying with their antagonists. It’s all the same.
This ship was an absolute monster in the original Battlefront 2
My favorite war crimes or breaches of war edict are when the Jedi fain peace/ a truce and they instead launch a sneak attack.
Like when Anakin was surrendering his flagship, but was actually plann😅NG to ram the enemy with the unmanned ship instead.
Everybody gangsta till the droid gunship arrives
Well, considering your average droid army's ground units, the air forces' terrifying effectiveness was a nice balancer
The outfit that Rex was wearing during Onderon would definitely be another basis for a Rebel Alliance uniform since they looked alike.
The Senate is terrified of nothing.
Death?
@@michaelandreipalon359 He almost defeated it, except for his idiotic idea about trying corrupt luke. I'd argue Jerec from Dark Forces II had the right idea, go to Ruusan, suck up thousands of sith and jedi spirits, begin apotheosis, and become a literal deity. Only Katarn cut him down before he had enough time to complete said apotheosis. Not even Abeloth would have been a match for him.
When I was younger I used to get shit ship mixed up with the rare Droid transport ship from the original battlefront 1, had the same saucer look to it
Man, if Disney dares to make a adult oriented animated series after Andor, That would be hella cool! Also, Probably brutal
The gunship platform (mechanized assault flyer) before this was an interesting weapon of war.
I wonder if Ado Eemon’s actions were modeled after Saddam’s gassing and shelling of his own people during the Iran-Iraq War and Desert Storm?
I remember always being killed by this ship out of nowhere on the kashyk wookie village in the og bf1
Jedi Council: A neutral planet's ruler has joined the CIS and some people rebels against the ruler... we will NOT send the clone army as it has nothing to do with the Clone Wars.
Knight: but what about the other times we did just that, like with Mon Cala.
Jedi Council: ........ we need to follow the will of the plot.. We mean the force.
I'd love to see a dogfight between the CIS droid gunship and the BNK3-R from Borderlands 2.
This is why I would never trust an AI to drive any vehicles.
What about combat trained magical girl clones?
@@michaelandreipalon359 Ple Clones, puru!
Are the Elpeo Ples magical girls though, despite their Newtype heritage?
@@michaelandreipalon359 Newtypes are considered as Space Magic BS anyway, so yeah they are.
Plus there's lightsabers for giant robots.
I'm more into the teleporting, time manipulating, energy shielding, and laser spewing kind of magical girls though.
You asked about war crimes in the Clone Wars, and I shall answer with one word: Perfidy.
"What war crime stuck out to you...?"
I think the Dathomirian genocide is pretty hard to forget
I hate the fact they never mention duxen in the onderon ep like there would hear rumours or stroys about a mandalorein weapons on the moon of duxen
Love battle droid content. Thanks for posting
It's weird that so many vehicles used by the CIS weren't controlled by an independent droid brain, rather using droids to pilot things exactly how an organic would. Shows that the sith really made the CIS pull it's punches
So many? I think the opposite is more true. homing spider droid, dwarf Spider Droid, the snail tank, this gunship, vulture droids, hyena bombers, hellfire droids, tri-droids. The only vehicles that weren't controlled by a droid brain (like the AAT) are the ones that also got exported to equip CIS non-droid planetary militaries.
The song Nearly There by your link to RelaxJack is a completely different song. But I vibe with it so it's all good😂
I love this ship, its basically a star wars A-10 warthog
More like a Hind-D
I just relised the ship having red eyes.
I have a weird feeling that droid gunships racked up more onscreen kills than b1 droids in the whole clone wars
Why doesn't the Star Wars universe use mass accelerator weapons which fire at relativistic speeds (or a significant fraction of the speed of light).
Relativistic speeds require enormous amounts of energy. Mass accelerators are used, though.
My favorite, though probably least heinous, warcrime the jedi commited was Obi-Wan using a false flag of surrender to move his troops and cover an attack. It wasn't clever thinking, it was screwing any other units that need to surrender in the future.
I was never entirely clear if these things could be deployed from space or not.
I mean, it's a repulsorcraft, not a starfighter... but it's also a droid, so it doesn't need to be protected from space.
I know the LAAT could fly through space? Or at least it had a varient of itself that could, right?
My favorite war crime is all the times the Jedi pretended to surrender.
I cant find out what kind of ordinance they were using on Onderon. It looks like there's no bodies of missiles, just a small clusters of light, but it's obviously explosive. Does anyone else know?
Have covered this one already but what about the time Anakin fane surrender only to kill the commanding officer of the enemy army that is a war crime.
Is there any fiction of a overworked rebel alliance reprogramer? Like a slice of life thing. I bet a show that focused on a different story highlighting a different job in the universe would do well.
Why the thumbnail says, "Genuis"?
Please do a video on the mandalorian clans and houses
Could they also fire the defoliator missiles?
Wasn't there a type of droid gunship similar to the hmp in SW Battlefront I(like the 2000s one)?
Hard to claim your not evil an a greedy dictator regime like the one you broke from when your doing just as bad or WORSE then them.
It's no LAAT but the HMP is pretty damn snazzy.
Why would the people of the separatist alliance be afraid of there own military that is protecting there freedom.
Gunships attacking rebels hiding out in the wilderness and a powerful political entity intervening by providing them with rocket launchers to take them out?
Where have I heard this before?
*Afghanistan intensifies.*
At this point we could just rename the clone wars to War crimes simulator.
Some of the other Droids I am a major fan of are the Six Gods.
Also it is a think to point out that the king on Onderon is actually descended from an Ancient Sith Lord named Freedon Nadd. So the Jedi put the family of a Sith Lord back on the throne of a world they conquered.
Can you please do one on the new Visions comic to come out? It's about the Ronin from the episode called The Duel. :)
This, along woth the Tri fighter are the best vehicle designs in all of starwars imo, so perfactly suited for they role !
It design looks influenced by insect . That was my first thought upon viewing it .
Curious how even in SW guided munitions have changed war forever
But, unlike the real world the empire just ignored it
Shame
And about Onderon, let me doubt... the following regime after the liberation at least according to Wookiepedia, was arguably worst, with clone troopers acting as the king's personal army and killing thousands more, combined with a role as some sort of secret police, the legimitate ruler was far, way far from clean. I always belived the republic was even more terrible than the seps, heavily imperialistic and ready to point the finger at any enemy crime to mask their own
Plz do a lore vid on cz 4
What about general peevious
LA aa like hold my beer 🍺
62mph is extremely slow
Where is general peevious
I love me some HMPs
Hey look one of my favorite ships
This is the kind of thing that is a catalyst for a butlerian type of jihad.
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Genius* 😂
it can also speak…
If only Disney cared about Star Wars like you guys do …
It looks like the war in Ukraine
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The only reason why indiscriminate killing is justified in my view is when the entire society is incapable of reforming and is too rotten to be allowed to continue.
Like now.
@@higherground9888 You're correct.
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