Not only do you back up everything you say with in game evidence, you are really one of the best people to explain why all these restrictions need to go! Great vid as always!
yea I mean its a freaking video game, let us at least look as silly as we want, its just xmog so whys it a big deal. It would literally only promote players spending more time in game as well as we would be in search of more xmog options. More game time = more money..thiank about it blizz
the only thing ill say about this is tier sets are not only mechanically amazing but visually aswell, so id love to actually keep tier sets being made for each individual class that fit the said class but are aloud to be mixed.
Oh absolutely, I intentionally didn’t mention any armor in the video because I do believe armor restrictions should remain in place as a core element of an RPG. A class silhouette is ONLY important in a tier set because as you said - it needs to be individually recognizable to that class. Beyond that, class silhouette should be player choice and weapon restrictions should be lifted.
YES! If they're going with having Rexxar (who is a Beastmaster Hunter btw) be the face of Survival who wields two one handed axes - there is no excuse to not have Survival start to ALSO be able to use one handed weapons as well.
What makes it even dumber is Frost DK's and Fury Warriors got their restrictions lifted.. Frost stuck with dual weilding can now use 2handers.. Fury warriors can use 1 hander dual wield options.. Survival Hunter? Fuck em.
Transmog is what kept me playing this game for YEARS!! I completely agree with you and wish they would lift the restrictions. Warglaives.... these piss me off more than anything in WoW! I loved them ever since TBC. I have farmed Illidan's Warglaives on every alt who can wield them. Then they add the ability to transmog them.... only to those who beat Illidan during timewalking. 😡 as a now casual who can no longer raid like I used to back in my college days during WOTLK, this irks me to no end. LIFT THE RESTRICTIONS!! THROW WIDE THE TRANSMOG GATES!!! LET THE PLAYERS HAVE FUN!!!! 🙌
Also. YES. Please let my shaman transmog a 2h weapon as enhance. I dont care about 2h enhance as a system/balance requirement. I just want to swing with a two hander.
WoW's transmog system is the single best thing about the game in my opinion, the collections tab in general is the only thing about Retail WoW that I miss when playing Classic
Alas, decoded wasn't meant to be I don't think. We attempted to launch Season 2 of it but it just didn't quite land properly. Maybe we'll try again sometime.
The weapon type restrictions should be softened, of course, but first they should urgently erase the barriers between the current usable types of any given class! I mean transmog the wands and daggers as 1 handed weapons. Currently, "oh you dropped a wand? that's a shame you can't keep your transmog" Same for the Legion system of applying 2-handed weapons on dual wield - and dual on 2H - this should be quickly sorted out.
While I agree, I think smaller steps needs to happen first as I don't think Blizzard will ever abandon their armor class concept at the drop of a hat. There are ways to lean further into it - more cosmetic options with fewer actual armor sets with the exception of tier sets perhaps! Either way, I'm all for freeing up restrictions. Weapons have zero argument left in game and hopefully if they respond to this, they'll respond to more changes!
As a mage wielding a staff I have to say having 2/3rds of my weapon tmogs being off limits is disheartening. I have so many swords and offhands I'd love to use.
I begged blizzard to allow Holy Paladins to wield Ashbringer, and when they announced that they'd remove the spec-specific restrictions surrounding artifact appearances, I was overjoyed. Then when the patch released, I realized that Holy Paladins still couldn't wield Ashbringer.
Yep. It’s possible for a holy Paladin to wield their 2 handed artifact from a 1h and shield but to mog to Ashbringer you’d need a two handed holy weapon to start which doesn’t exist sadly. Hopefully the “legion artifact mog rule” will be removed and grant you that!
One of my transmog dreams is to transmog a 2 hander weapon into a one hander and vice versa for a fury warrior. They use the exact same animations. Imagine the transmog possibilities if we could wield a 2 hander and a 1 hander at the same time a as dual wield without any damage decrease. This is what they should have done instead of bringing SMF back to save the hassle of balancing.
Completely agree! Desmephisto on twitter has been advocating for that and I'm fully in support. SMF shouldn't be a decrease in damage - it should grant Warriors a unique mog option to transform their 2-handers into 1 handers if they so choose. Would be a UNIQUE perk to the class/spec!
There was a bug for a short while in early shadowlands where prot pala could xmog into ashbringer. And it was glorious! But of course, fun police put an end to that. :(
Yeah you convinced me. I came in pretty skeptical because I do think there’s an amount of creativity that you are encouraged to have in order to make some items work, rather than relying on the same swords (or whatever) over and over. But that’s such a minor benefit compared to letting people enjoy the class fantasies they want. I mentioned on Reddit there’s a Polearm in Firelands that matches the MoP Challenge set for Warlocks that I’ve always wanted to put together. Also I’ve had this Blademaster style character I’ve flipped around multiple classes - Warrior, survival hunter, back to warrior, and now he’s a Shaman and I’ve given up on the Blademaster theme. I would LOVE to transmog him back to his Blademaster look and use swords in Enhance.
I saw your comment on Reddit and I appreciate the replies! A lot of folks tend to be resistant to change, especially long-term changes like this. I'm the same way when it comes to armor restrictions being removed. But my goal with the video/thread was to break down the argument with the most simple of answers: "Why not? What's the harm" while providing visuals and evidence to back it up. Not everyone will agree and some may ACTIVELY wish for MORE restrictions in-game (clowns lmao) but at the end of the day, what does it matter to ME what YOU decide to do with your characters Transmog? How does MY mog impact YOUR play? It doesn't and I'm really quite glad I made somewhat of a compelling argument. I tried to not be ridiculous with my changes like "Monks dualwielding wands or Paladins using bows in Ret spec" lmao
There is a twilight hammer glaive that some drakonid use (and a bunch of twilight weapons never released). And i believe there is even a arakkoa glaive
As a New player to Wow in 2023, this is one of my biggest gripes with the game. I play a Monk, and whilst i like the bare hand combat, i would really love the option of Fist weapons to grind for. But due to the fact my strongest weapons are in fact Two handed Staff's, i cant get a cool Glowing fists transmog going due to the weapon restrictions and its very irritating how dated the Tmog is in this game. Plus Loosening the restrictions would give me so much to grind for in terms of transmog looks.
Ever since i played this game during Burning crusade, there is one thing above all else that i wanted to do, and that is play a tauren that can swing around a giant totem like the ones in WC3, that's all i want. there are guards in this game that has totem weapons, but the player still can't get one, it sucks eggs edit: i just remembered there's a 1handed mace you can use that drops from zul farrak? but that's just a tiny 1handed weapon, i want a huge 2handed one
absolute minimum warriors and rogues should be able to wield glaives and use the leggo transmog. You can't look like your character did in TBC, even if you have all the items, thats a fail test for transmog. Simple as that.
Wish they also put new types of weapons in the game. Would be awesome hunters and rogues* dual-wielding pistols. *Rogues would need a ranged specialization for that, like "sniper" or something like this.
I’d say the warglaive argument had the most evidence! Trolls, Night Elves, Blood Elves, Nightborne, pre-existing glaives, non-DH theme glaives and more! Everything else in the video? “Why not!”😂
Just in general I wish they could just F-off with the whole idea that speccs must be synonymous with a certain weapon type. I played 2h Fury in TBC Classic. I was never feeling that I underperformed. I PVP'd 2h Enhancement. It felt FUN. I really don't get these kids on forums that screech like demented pigs whenever you put forward the idea that you want to have the option to do something sub-optimally. I was on the forums before Shadowlands asking Blizz to reimplement 2h Frost DK, and these a-holes started screeching about how it sucks and always will suck and has no place in the game. And then when Shadowlands came by we got 2h Frost. Can we just remove ALL Weapon requirements on skills and abilities? Ofc ranged and melee is separate. But WHY can't I use Stormstrike with a 2 hander?
The dumbest thing is having Warglaives of Azzinoth ONLY transmogable for Demon Hunters. When they were worn by rogues/warriors 10+ years ago, far before DH class was created. And ironically DH can transform Thunderfury as well. SMH
10000% yes. Please god let my fury warrior mog one handers rather then 2 handers. Not only weapons, but gear as well. Unleash players creativity and log plate mog mail, and vice versa. Store sets and covenant sets destroy the argument for silhouettes.
I wonder if Blizzard will ever figure out that glaives are polearms... not death frisbees or double bladed swords or whatever they seem to think they are. Not that I don't like the death frisbees.
The animations thing doesn't even parse anymore. All races have all the demon hunter specific animations. All the races have all the class specific animations. You can tell by reflecting prisming those classes. Pandaren have all the demon hunter animations, and have had all the death knight animations since legion. The closest thing i've seen to an animation bug with weapon wielding happened on the wotlk classic prepatch: originally warriors couldn't titan's grip polearms. But they can on wotlk classic prepatch. If you wield a polearm in your main hand it will bug out all the animations. And the weapons overlap on your back if one is a polearm and the other is a regular 2h. But this isn't uncorrectable.
Actually, if you cut to 11:35-11:53 you'll see an Undead wearing the Starting DH zone Warglaives - that's a DH using a prism/toy disguise to transform into an Undead. Only Blood Elves and Night Elves have the appropriate DH animations - the run-with-weapons out, and all other DH associate animations. Going into the Wowhead Model viewer you'll see that no other race has those animations and when a DH disguises themselves as another race, the animations default to the 1-handed animations instead of the DH specific animations. All other classes, however, have the same animations. All Warlocks, whether the race can be a Warlock or not, has the spell animations. Same with Shaman casting and Druid casting. DH is the only one (and a few select Monk animations) where this isn't the case
I've been asking since 2006 for Blizzard to give me Tier 2 warrior gnomes as 1-2 handed axes for my fury warrior, but they still won't answer my calls. I wan't to swing some gnomes by the ankles and use them as axes! Cmon blizzard!
Part of me understands some restrictions Casters with 2 handed weapons like maces axes or swords? Little off. But polearms and staves should be the same. The other part of me thinks: well at this point why not?
Fair point - can I ask what parts you disagree with? Would more changes not be a good thing? Don't you see it a little silly that Shamans can wield all 1-handers except swords? Does that single restriction do more good than not ? Legit curious which you disagree with and if anything kind of make sense! But appreciate the comment and appreciate the civility.
@@TheLostCodex yeah great follow up - I think you made a lot of good points and I certainly agree with you in a lot of your examples; but there are a few that I find to be silly. For example; saying sub rogues should be able to backstab with maces or rolling pins or mages should be able to have a lumberjack appearance with a Two Handed Axe. Having more options is absolutely a good thing but only if it adds to class flavor like in the example of “dual wielding for xmog” just saying “everyone can do whatever they want” would feel like nothing is unique anymore to me. Part of what makes a great xmog is that it falls within the realm of “believability” you could imagine a Warrior Lumberjack not so much a Mage One because why would a mage go through the hassle of cutting wood when they could just use magic? And getting “stabbed” with a mace will never hurt as much as a knife. To reuse those examples.
Thanks for the reply! Let me clarify! The "lumberjack appearance" wasn't meant to include the 2-handed axe. I simply meant Mages can mog their sword to resemble a few axe-like swords and then mog their chest to hide, use the checkered red shirts and keep it very 'not mage-like'. Since your Frost Mage CAN look that part and mog 1h swords or daggers - why can't they use a 1-h axe? Not like mages/priests/warlocks even use their weapons as it sits on their hip so is there harm there? Sub Rogues is something we disagree on. They are the only class in game locked/restricted to a single weapontype. Considering MANY daggers are the size of swords or use models like wrenches/axes/torches, is there really any difference if daggers are allowed to mog into 1-h swords/maces/axes Class flavor should be up to the player within the realm of their armor capabilities, no? A 2h sword or mace on a mage is silly, but 20% of the staves in game share models identical to polearms and really - what difference is there between a polearm and a stave for a caster? I tried to be as logical and within-fantasy as possible. To me, a mage using an axe or a scepter (1-handed) is not fantasy breaking; a mage using a 2-handed sword? Sure! Absolutely. Same as a Paladin using a Wand as a main hand weapon to tank. But a Retribution Paladin using a staff to smite and beat their enemies to death is not fantasy breaking, to me. I don't actually agree with the "Do whatever you want" mog restrictions - I believe armor class should remain and I believe SOME limitations should stay for weapons. Wands for monks, crossbows for Warlocks, or daggers for Paladins seems silly. Appreciate the reply and discussion :)
I mean... My demonhunters transmog it into swords, since most glaives look AWFUL on the back of the character model. Then, as a bonus point, for PvP yeah? The best secondaries for DHer is Haste (at least for Havoc), the uh... Haste 1-handers? Swords. So the best Havoc DHers in PvP are using Conquest Swords.
I agree and you make so much sense. I believe in free to weapons. Some make sense on the restrictions like for hunters on guns and bows but most everything else makes total sense and I hope blizz just like how they gonna do class restrictions which is gonna be gone but they should do it with most the weapons also.
I just wanna be able to hide my pants. Also, the thing they did for shoulders, they should do for gloves too. Oh oh, and also if a class can equip it, it should be moggable. Like plate mogging mail leather and cloth mogs.
Agree on the pants - we can already mog really small loincloths, so why not let us hide pants? Gloves are a whole other story. I actually petitioned for this very idea a little while back until someone explained why that is a lot harder to do. I'm gonna explain it in a very messy way, so bare with me. On a WoW model, the shoulders are independent models that can be toggled on and off - hiding shoulders, left or right, was always possible in the model viewer because it was technically a model ontop of the player model (same with helm) Gloves, however, become part of the model with 3d components on top. Some have a default "Collection" (which is why many gloves from back in the day have the same 3d chunky wrist part) and other gloves are just flat, painted on textures. In some instances, the gloves are specifically designed to be asymmetrical (Kul Tiras leather gloves for example) but in most cases, the glove texture is a mirrored thing - what goes on one, goes on the other. Same for chest and pants. The gloves that are asymmetrical are designed so that one so shows x one side shows y but as of now, with how the models are set up, there is no way to give 2 separate gloves to a player model (even in the model viewer). BUT I do hope they allow for that - it would take a huge overhaul on how the models work but gosh it would be cool! Hope that explains a bit?
YESS to everything you said except 1 handed mogs for enhancement shamans it feels as if an elemental is meleeing people feels weird and classs color is the same
Wait a enhancement Shamans already use 1handed mogs? They use 2 1handers. Or did you mean Enhancement using 2handers? Either way, the spec would be made abundantly clear during combat. Most elemental shamans don’t get close for melee range - they nuke you from afar with chain lightning, lighting bolt and more. An enhancement is clearly enhancement when they clear the distance between you and set you a flame and slam their weapons into you, conjure ghost wolves, etc
@@TheLostCodex ya i totally get you, maybe i just cant imagine my high mountain enhancement shaman moging her two one-handed weapons into 1 weapon mog no matter its weapon class. I feel its meant to be this fast unpredictable two weapons striker. But ya the player should decide anyways
Absolutely Funny enough 2handed enhancement shaman use to be viable back in the day. In the classic days you had hard-hitting shamans with big two handers instead of the two 1handed weapons but that was later phased out. This allowance would bring back an age-old enhancement trope that has been lost for many years without the intricacies of balancing 2 weapons damage vs 1
Definitely look up "2-Hand Enhancement Shamans" and see some of the old nostalgia for it. It was fun back in the day but as time went on, it became less and less viable sadly.
I would also suggest to let plate users use mail items as it were in classic. Let mail users use leather, let leather users use cloth and let cloth users use leather. This wouldn't break any class fantasy.
Maybe it would've but I don't think so. The first legendary weapon for one class wasn't until Cataclysm, so why would the glaives have been so restricted as loot from an iconic boss. Even the Frostmourne Axe in ICC wasn't DK's only, despite being an actual Runeblade/Frostmourne lookalike. And why can't Warriors use staves? You're advocating for more change? Why wouldn't you want more freedom across all classes?
@@TheLostCodex i dont wanna be forced to play warrior for transmog runs just because they can use all the weapons except wand but who cares about that
So your argument is because Warriors have an added bonus by being able to use the most weapons, it's unfair when unlocking weapons so those options should be TAKEN away to level the playing field....after 18 years?
Every player would be happy to be able to equip 2 warglaives starting from warriors to priests would love to make a dark and green transmog with these iconic demonic weapons
I'm all for less restrictions but seem far more work/animation intensive than othersa How would dual-wielding Crossbows work for Paladins? They just smack you with the crossbow instead of firing? How would tanking work? How would a Monk using wands work? I think there is some justification for SOME restrictions, but ultimately if its "Everything should be free or nothing at all" bring on the dual-wielding Crossbowadins!
I disagree. You let every1 be able to use the same weapon sounds lame to me. This is an mmo rpg is it not? in Dnd does every class get to use every weapon in game? nope. A wizzard using a 2h great axe sounds like cancel culture to me. rpg games originated from DnD. classes should stand out, that's partially why wizzards use wands, warriors use 2h weapons, druids use staffs ,To feel unique, giving every1 the ability to use any weapon in game takes away from their uniqueness as a playable character. Keep the weapon restrictions how they are.
Why can’t a Warlock wield a sceptre? Why can’t a priest use a sword? What’s so DND class shattering about a Paladin using a staff (WoW staves are huge) or a warlock can use scythe-staves but not scythe polearms? Why can’t priests use a sword? And to use your examples - Druids can use polearms, staves, 1h maces, daggers, fist weapons - but they can’t wield a sword? Where’s the logic There is no reason why weapon restrictions should stay. The archaic 2004 reasoning for weapon restrictions are obsolete - you want to enforce your baseless class fantasy ? Fine. But let my priest use a sword or let me mage wield a 1handed axe (i never said 2 under axe for mages). What I mog my characters as doesn’t impact you
But you didn't - you aid "Wizards use wands" False - my wizard in Wow can use a wand, dagger, staff and sword. So if he can use all those, what's the harm in that sword being a 1-handed mace? Not asking for a huge axe or sword on a caster - just similar weapon types. Uniqueness tied to limitation on a specific class means nothing when there are already hundreds to thousands of transmogging options for people to embrace. Just because a Shaman can suddenly use a sword doesn't make them any less unique than a rogue or monk who's wielding a sword
As a Death Knight main, I really need staff transmog requirement lifted. My biggest class fantasy is having those beautiful Drust scythes from Ardenweald! And while it may be just me, a lot of staffs are just Scythes anyway!! There is no point in keeping such majestic weapons to casters and warriors :(
Not only do you back up everything you say with in game evidence, you are really one of the best people to explain why all these restrictions need to go! Great vid as always!
in game evidence? saying why not over and over again is not one of the best explanations as too why transmog restrictions need to go.
yea I mean its a freaking video game, let us at least look as silly as we want, its just xmog so whys it a big deal. It would literally only promote players spending more time in game as well as we would be in search of more xmog options. More game time = more money..thiank about it blizz
You forgot to mention how warriors can use daggers as well so I would love to have transmog for daggers for them as well.
the only thing ill say about this is tier sets are not only mechanically amazing but visually aswell, so id love to actually keep tier sets being made for each individual class that fit the said class but are aloud to be mixed.
Oh absolutely, I intentionally didn’t mention any armor in the video because I do believe armor restrictions should remain in place as a core element of an RPG. A class silhouette is ONLY important in a tier set because as you said - it needs to be individually recognizable to that class.
Beyond that, class silhouette should be player choice and weapon restrictions should be lifted.
YES! If they're going with having Rexxar (who is a Beastmaster Hunter btw) be the face of Survival who wields two one handed axes - there is no excuse to not have Survival start to ALSO be able to use one handed weapons as well.
Rexxar, that survival hunter guy?
HERETIC!
What makes it even dumber is Frost DK's and Fury Warriors got their restrictions lifted.. Frost stuck with dual weilding can now use 2handers.. Fury warriors can use 1 hander dual wield options.. Survival Hunter? Fuck em.
Transmog is what kept me playing this game for YEARS!! I completely agree with you and wish they would lift the restrictions.
Warglaives.... these piss me off more than anything in WoW! I loved them ever since TBC. I have farmed Illidan's Warglaives on every alt who can wield them. Then they add the ability to transmog them.... only to those who beat Illidan during timewalking. 😡 as a now casual who can no longer raid like I used to back in my college days during WOTLK, this irks me to no end.
LIFT THE RESTRICTIONS!!
THROW WIDE THE TRANSMOG GATES!!!
LET THE PLAYERS HAVE FUN!!!! 🙌
Also. YES. Please let my shaman transmog a 2h weapon as enhance. I dont care about 2h enhance as a system/balance requirement. I just want to swing with a two hander.
WoW's transmog system is the single best thing about the game in my opinion, the collections tab in general is the only thing about Retail WoW that I miss when playing Classic
Make transmog more flexible, no more restrictions. Also use more 3D assets instead of everything being a flat texture
Great to see this channel back alive! You still making podcasts?
Alas, decoded wasn't meant to be I don't think. We attempted to launch Season 2 of it but it just didn't quite land properly.
Maybe we'll try again sometime.
The weapon type restrictions should be softened, of course, but first they should urgently erase the barriers between the current usable types of any given class! I mean transmog the wands and daggers as 1 handed weapons. Currently, "oh you dropped a wand? that's a shame you can't keep your transmog"
Same for the Legion system of applying 2-handed weapons on dual wield - and dual on 2H - this should be quickly sorted out.
All transmog restrictions need to go period. Everyone should be able to transmog everything like in ESO
While I agree, I think smaller steps needs to happen first as I don't think Blizzard will ever abandon their armor class concept at the drop of a hat.
There are ways to lean further into it - more cosmetic options with fewer actual armor sets with the exception of tier sets perhaps!
Either way, I'm all for freeing up restrictions. Weapons have zero argument left in game and hopefully if they respond to this, they'll respond to more changes!
As a mage wielding a staff I have to say having 2/3rds of my weapon tmogs being off limits is disheartening. I have so many swords and offhands I'd love to use.
I begged blizzard to allow Holy Paladins to wield Ashbringer, and when they announced that they'd remove the spec-specific restrictions surrounding artifact appearances, I was overjoyed. Then when the patch released, I realized that Holy Paladins still couldn't wield Ashbringer.
Yep. It’s possible for a holy Paladin to wield their 2 handed artifact from a 1h and shield but to mog to Ashbringer you’d need a two handed holy weapon to start which doesn’t exist sadly.
Hopefully the “legion artifact mog rule” will be removed and grant you that!
One of my transmog dreams is to transmog a 2 hander weapon into a one hander and vice versa for a fury warrior. They use the exact same animations. Imagine the transmog possibilities if we could wield a 2 hander and a 1 hander at the same time a as dual wield without any damage decrease. This is what they should have done instead of bringing SMF back to save the hassle of balancing.
Completely agree!
Desmephisto on twitter has been advocating for that and I'm fully in support. SMF shouldn't be a decrease in damage - it should grant Warriors a unique mog option to transform their 2-handers into 1 handers if they so choose. Would be a UNIQUE perk to the class/spec!
One handed spears with shields is a personal need of mine
and you often see npc use that, they just use one handed weapon animation for it anyway so why cant we?
There was a bug for a short while in early shadowlands where prot pala could xmog into ashbringer. And it was glorious! But of course, fun police put an end to that. :(
Yeah you convinced me. I came in pretty skeptical because I do think there’s an amount of creativity that you are encouraged to have in order to make some items work, rather than relying on the same swords (or whatever) over and over. But that’s such a minor benefit compared to letting people enjoy the class fantasies they want. I mentioned on Reddit there’s a Polearm in Firelands that matches the MoP Challenge set for Warlocks that I’ve always wanted to put together. Also I’ve had this Blademaster style character I’ve flipped around multiple classes - Warrior, survival hunter, back to warrior, and now he’s a Shaman and I’ve given up on the Blademaster theme. I would LOVE to transmog him back to his Blademaster look and use swords in Enhance.
I saw your comment on Reddit and I appreciate the replies!
A lot of folks tend to be resistant to change, especially long-term changes like this. I'm the same way when it comes to armor restrictions being removed.
But my goal with the video/thread was to break down the argument with the most simple of answers: "Why not? What's the harm" while providing visuals and evidence to back it up.
Not everyone will agree and some may ACTIVELY wish for MORE restrictions in-game (clowns lmao) but at the end of the day, what does it matter to ME what YOU decide to do with your characters Transmog? How does MY mog impact YOUR play? It doesn't and I'm really quite glad I made somewhat of a compelling argument.
I tried to not be ridiculous with my changes like "Monks dualwielding wands or Paladins using bows in Ret spec" lmao
I always thought that DK's should be able to transmog shields. Especially if you are a blood knight and are tanking.
There is a twilight hammer glaive that some drakonid use (and a bunch of twilight weapons never released). And i believe there is even a arakkoa glaive
Yep - both of them were classified as 'swords' back then but just another examples that swords=glaives!
Imagine those were obtainable?
As a New player to Wow in 2023, this is one of my biggest gripes with the game. I play a Monk, and whilst i like the bare hand combat, i would really love the option of Fist weapons to grind for. But due to the fact my strongest weapons are in fact Two handed Staff's, i cant get a cool Glowing fists transmog going due to the weapon restrictions and its very irritating how dated the Tmog is in this game. Plus Loosening the restrictions would give me so much to grind for in terms of transmog looks.
I always wanted my dk to wear more of warlock cloth sets than paladin plate.
Ever since i played this game during Burning crusade, there is one thing above all else that i wanted to do, and that is play a tauren that can swing around a giant totem like the ones in WC3, that's all i want.
there are guards in this game that has totem weapons, but the player still can't get one, it sucks eggs
edit: i just remembered there's a 1handed mace you can use that drops from zul farrak? but that's just a tiny 1handed weapon, i want a huge 2handed one
Warglaives for everyone!
Please, PLEASE give Jesse glaives.
(And all this other stuff. This antiquated class silhouette stuff needs to be tossed out.)
Give us the Argus scythe... ALL OF US!
Speaking of the Nightborne double edge sword, it was available to be purchased in 7.1.5 ptr but then they removed it…
A night elf warrior or rogue with glaves tho, damn
absolute minimum warriors and rogues should be able to wield glaives and use the leggo transmog.
You can't look like your character did in TBC, even if you have all the items, thats a fail test for transmog. Simple as that.
Wish they also put new types of weapons in the game. Would be awesome hunters and rogues* dual-wielding pistols.
*Rogues would need a ranged specialization for that, like "sniper" or something like this.
"I gave you a pretty damn convincing argument for warglaives"
The convincing argument: "why not?"
Jokes aside, 100% agreed!
I’d say the warglaive argument had the most evidence!
Trolls, Night Elves, Blood Elves, Nightborne, pre-existing glaives, non-DH theme glaives and more!
Everything else in the video? “Why not!”😂
Just in general I wish they could just F-off with the whole idea that speccs must be synonymous with a certain weapon type.
I played 2h Fury in TBC Classic. I was never feeling that I underperformed.
I PVP'd 2h Enhancement. It felt FUN.
I really don't get these kids on forums that screech like demented pigs whenever you put forward the idea that you want to have the option to do something sub-optimally. I was on the forums before Shadowlands asking Blizz to reimplement 2h Frost DK, and these a-holes started screeching about how it sucks and always will suck and has no place in the game.
And then when Shadowlands came by we got 2h Frost.
Can we just remove ALL Weapon requirements on skills and abilities? Ofc ranged and melee is separate. But WHY can't I use Stormstrike with a 2 hander?
The dumbest thing is having Warglaives of Azzinoth ONLY transmogable for Demon Hunters. When they were worn by rogues/warriors 10+ years ago, far before DH class was created. And ironically DH can transform Thunderfury as well. SMH
Couldnt agree more. Thank you for making this great vid. Hopefully Blizzard will listen.
10000% yes. Please god let my fury warrior mog one handers rather then 2 handers. Not only weapons, but gear as well. Unleash players creativity and log plate mog mail, and vice versa. Store sets and covenant sets destroy the argument for silhouettes.
I wonder if Blizzard will ever figure out that glaives are polearms... not death frisbees or double bladed swords or whatever they seem to think they are. Not that I don't like the death frisbees.
A hidden weapon option for worgen would be cool
I wanna use greatsword on my warlock!!
Leeet me mooog the glaives on my rogue...man i would never understand this..
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I legit get depressed I can’t use my thunder fury on my priest.
Even the cats rogue daggers would be at least something
The animations thing doesn't even parse anymore. All races have all the demon hunter specific animations. All the races have all the class specific animations. You can tell by reflecting prisming those classes. Pandaren have all the demon hunter animations, and have had all the death knight animations since legion.
The closest thing i've seen to an animation bug with weapon wielding happened on the wotlk classic prepatch: originally warriors couldn't titan's grip polearms. But they can on wotlk classic prepatch. If you wield a polearm in your main hand it will bug out all the animations. And the weapons overlap on your back if one is a polearm and the other is a regular 2h. But this isn't uncorrectable.
Actually, if you cut to 11:35-11:53 you'll see an Undead wearing the Starting DH zone Warglaives - that's a DH using a prism/toy disguise to transform into an Undead. Only Blood Elves and Night Elves have the appropriate DH animations - the run-with-weapons out, and all other DH associate animations.
Going into the Wowhead Model viewer you'll see that no other race has those animations and when a DH disguises themselves as another race, the animations default to the 1-handed animations instead of the DH specific animations.
All other classes, however, have the same animations. All Warlocks, whether the race can be a Warlock or not, has the spell animations. Same with Shaman casting and Druid casting. DH is the only one (and a few select Monk animations) where this isn't the case
@@TheLostCodex I've seen it happen, i reflecting prism to turn people into pandaren all the time.
I've been asking since 2006 for Blizzard to give me Tier 2 warrior gnomes as 1-2 handed axes for my fury warrior, but they still won't answer my calls.
I wan't to swing some gnomes by the ankles and use them as axes! Cmon blizzard!
In some cases yea. but not a mage with a 2handed axe.
Part of me understands some restrictions
Casters with 2 handed weapons like maces axes or swords? Little off. But polearms and staves should be the same.
The other part of me thinks: well at this point why not?
I simply do not agree. But solid video.
Fair point - can I ask what parts you disagree with?
Would more changes not be a good thing? Don't you see it a little silly that Shamans can wield all 1-handers except swords? Does that single restriction do more good than not ?
Legit curious which you disagree with and if anything kind of make sense! But appreciate the comment and appreciate the civility.
@@TheLostCodex yeah great follow up - I think you made a lot of good points and I certainly agree with you in a lot of your examples; but there are a few that I find to be silly. For example; saying sub rogues should be able to backstab with maces or rolling pins or mages should be able to have a lumberjack appearance with a Two Handed Axe.
Having more options is absolutely a good thing but only if it adds to class flavor like in the example of “dual wielding for xmog” just saying “everyone can do whatever they want” would feel like nothing is unique anymore to me.
Part of what makes a great xmog is that it falls within the realm of “believability” you could imagine a Warrior Lumberjack not so much a Mage One because why would a mage go through the hassle of cutting wood when they could just use magic? And getting “stabbed” with a mace will never hurt as much as a knife. To reuse those examples.
Thanks for the reply! Let me clarify!
The "lumberjack appearance" wasn't meant to include the 2-handed axe. I simply meant Mages can mog their sword to resemble a few axe-like swords and then mog their chest to hide, use the checkered red shirts and keep it very 'not mage-like'. Since your Frost Mage CAN look that part and mog 1h swords or daggers - why can't they use a 1-h axe? Not like mages/priests/warlocks even use their weapons as it sits on their hip so is there harm there?
Sub Rogues is something we disagree on. They are the only class in game locked/restricted to a single weapontype. Considering MANY daggers are the size of swords or use models like wrenches/axes/torches, is there really any difference if daggers are allowed to mog into 1-h swords/maces/axes
Class flavor should be up to the player within the realm of their armor capabilities, no? A 2h sword or mace on a mage is silly, but 20% of the staves in game share models identical to polearms and really - what difference is there between a polearm and a stave for a caster?
I tried to be as logical and within-fantasy as possible.
To me, a mage using an axe or a scepter (1-handed) is not fantasy breaking; a mage using a 2-handed sword? Sure! Absolutely.
Same as a Paladin using a Wand as a main hand weapon to tank. But a Retribution Paladin using a staff to smite and beat their enemies to death is not fantasy breaking, to me.
I don't actually agree with the "Do whatever you want" mog restrictions - I believe armor class should remain and I believe SOME limitations should stay for weapons. Wands for monks, crossbows for Warlocks, or daggers for Paladins seems silly.
Appreciate the reply and discussion :)
I mean...
My demonhunters transmog it into swords, since most glaives look AWFUL on the back of the character model.
Then, as a bonus point, for PvP yeah? The best secondaries for DHer is Haste (at least for Havoc), the uh... Haste 1-handers? Swords. So the best Havoc DHers in PvP are using Conquest Swords.
Very much agree!
I agree and you make so much sense. I believe in free to weapons. Some make sense on the restrictions like for hunters on guns and bows but most everything else makes total sense and I hope blizz just like how they gonna do class restrictions which is gonna be gone but they should do it with most the weapons also.
I just wanna be able to hide my pants. Also, the thing they did for shoulders, they should do for gloves too. Oh oh, and also if a class can equip it, it should be moggable. Like plate mogging mail leather and cloth mogs.
Agree on the pants - we can already mog really small loincloths, so why not let us hide pants?
Gloves are a whole other story. I actually petitioned for this very idea a little while back until someone explained why that is a lot harder to do. I'm gonna explain it in a very messy way, so bare with me.
On a WoW model, the shoulders are independent models that can be toggled on and off - hiding shoulders, left or right, was always possible in the model viewer because it was technically a model ontop of the player model (same with helm)
Gloves, however, become part of the model with 3d components on top. Some have a default "Collection" (which is why many gloves from back in the day have the same 3d chunky wrist part) and other gloves are just flat, painted on textures. In some instances, the gloves are specifically designed to be asymmetrical (Kul Tiras leather gloves for example) but in most cases, the glove texture is a mirrored thing - what goes on one, goes on the other. Same for chest and pants.
The gloves that are asymmetrical are designed so that one so shows x one side shows y but as of now, with how the models are set up, there is no way to give 2 separate gloves to a player model (even in the model viewer).
BUT I do hope they allow for that - it would take a huge overhaul on how the models work but gosh it would be cool!
Hope that explains a bit?
Free the weapon transmogs!!!
i want my belf paly and warrior spellbreaker xmog be nice, no a fucking sword or pseudo glaive that dont even mach color.
YESS to everything you said except 1 handed mogs for enhancement shamans it feels as if an elemental is meleeing people feels weird and classs color is the same
Wait a enhancement Shamans already use 1handed mogs? They use 2 1handers.
Or did you mean Enhancement using 2handers?
Either way, the spec would be made abundantly clear during combat. Most elemental shamans don’t get close for melee range - they nuke you from afar with chain lightning, lighting bolt and more. An enhancement is clearly enhancement when they clear the distance between you and set you a flame and slam their weapons into you, conjure ghost wolves, etc
@@TheLostCodex ya i totally get you, maybe i just cant imagine my high mountain enhancement shaman moging her two one-handed weapons into 1 weapon mog no matter its weapon class. I feel its meant to be this fast unpredictable two weapons striker.
But ya the player should decide anyways
Absolutely
Funny enough 2handed enhancement shaman use to be viable back in the day. In the classic days you had hard-hitting shamans with big two handers instead of the two 1handed weapons but that was later phased out.
This allowance would bring back an age-old enhancement trope that has been lost for many years without the intricacies of balancing 2 weapons damage vs 1
@@TheLostCodex wow i didnt know this! Well if there is history to it, this adds another reason to bring it back. Nostalgia is a strong force
Definitely look up "2-Hand Enhancement Shamans" and see some of the old nostalgia for it. It was fun back in the day but as time went on, it became less and less viable sadly.
transmog restrictions in general need to go.
I would also suggest to let plate users use mail items as it were in classic. Let mail users use leather, let leather users use cloth and let cloth users use leather. This wouldn't break any class fantasy.
5:40 99% chance it would have been a DH only weapon if dh existed back in BC
also remove warriors to use gun/bow/crossbow/staff
Maybe it would've but I don't think so. The first legendary weapon for one class wasn't until Cataclysm, so why would the glaives have been so restricted as loot from an iconic boss. Even the Frostmourne Axe in ICC wasn't DK's only, despite being an actual Runeblade/Frostmourne lookalike.
And why can't Warriors use staves? You're advocating for more change? Why wouldn't you want more freedom across all classes?
@@TheLostCodex i dont wanna be forced to play warrior for transmog runs just because they can use all the weapons except wand but who cares about that
So your argument is because Warriors have an added bonus by being able to use the most weapons, it's unfair when unlocking weapons so those options should be TAKEN away to level the playing field....after 18 years?
@@TheLostCodex Ever tried to equip a bow? You can't, so why can they get the transmog?
Every player would be happy to be able to equip 2 warglaives starting from warriors to priests would love to make a dark and green transmog with these iconic demonic weapons
The bald one needs to see this
I want all class and weapon restrictions to lift. Give me double wielding crossbow Prot Pallies!
I'm all for less restrictions but seem far more work/animation intensive than othersa
How would dual-wielding Crossbows work for Paladins? They just smack you with the crossbow instead of firing? How would tanking work?
How would a Monk using wands work? I think there is some justification for SOME restrictions, but ultimately if its "Everything should be free or nothing at all" bring on the dual-wielding Crossbowadins!
I disagree. You let every1 be able to use the same weapon sounds lame to me. This is an mmo rpg is it not? in Dnd does every class get to use every weapon in game? nope. A wizzard using a 2h great axe sounds like cancel culture to me. rpg games originated from DnD. classes should stand out, that's partially why wizzards use wands, warriors use 2h weapons, druids use staffs ,To feel unique, giving every1 the ability to use any weapon in game takes away from their uniqueness as a playable character. Keep the weapon restrictions how they are.
Why can’t a Warlock wield a sceptre? Why can’t a priest use a sword?
What’s so DND class shattering about a Paladin using a staff (WoW staves are huge) or a warlock can use scythe-staves but not scythe polearms?
Why can’t priests use a sword?
And to use your examples - Druids can use polearms, staves, 1h maces, daggers, fist weapons - but they can’t wield a sword? Where’s the logic
There is no reason why weapon restrictions should stay. The archaic 2004 reasoning for weapon restrictions are obsolete - you want to enforce your baseless class fantasy ? Fine. But let my priest use a sword or let me mage wield a 1handed axe (i never said 2 under axe for mages). What I mog my characters as doesn’t impact you
@@TheLostCodex i answered ur question already in my comment above.
But you didn't - you aid "Wizards use wands"
False - my wizard in Wow can use a wand, dagger, staff and sword.
So if he can use all those, what's the harm in that sword being a 1-handed mace? Not asking for a huge axe or sword on a caster - just similar weapon types.
Uniqueness tied to limitation on a specific class means nothing when there are already hundreds to thousands of transmogging options for people to embrace. Just because a Shaman can suddenly use a sword doesn't make them any less unique than a rogue or monk who's wielding a sword
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As a Death Knight main, I really need staff transmog requirement lifted. My biggest class fantasy is having those beautiful Drust scythes from Ardenweald! And while it may be just me, a lot of staffs are just Scythes anyway!! There is no point in keeping such majestic weapons to casters and warriors :(