Platinum I kid you not I spent like 2 hours last night thinking I'd gone crazy and forgotten about a modern day thriving arathor somewhere in the eastern kingdoms
It would be fun if this "emperor" would be living in giant mountain where he will be raising 20 infused by light children, and 20 legions of superhalfelfs to conquer all azeroth
Fitting as how originaly when trying to create Warcraft, they tried to get the license to Warhammer, and when the negotiations didn't happen, they ended creating their own universe, lore, races, etc. So it eventualy had to end up in Warhammer again.
I have a feeling (more of a hope/cope) that this saga takes warcraft to a darker place. The power of friendship crap has to end. Now that Metzen is back maybe it will end. We have to remember that the base expansion of TWW was made mostly before metzen returned.
lol, considering warcraft: Orc and Human was originaly planned as a rts for fantasy warhammer(yes I know there is more detail to the whole thing, but thats all I can remember) but forgot why it fel through and the game was just released as its own thing XD
WarCraft was originally meant to be fantasy Warhammer Imagine if Warcraft today managed to get their own Warhammer models and everything From all the factions/races, etc. I’d be permanently broke.
It isn't warhammer anymore becaue The individual who wrote this expansion hates warhammer, stragelly though the arathi REEKS of Elder Scrolls Breton and Avaloren High Isle expansion
@@ryzziktrognesou1 Maybe Sargeras will be a chad when we see him again. But if they make him be like the dark iron boy there's like Does this have eggs in it? I'm allergic then i'll be done with the lore.
I'm tipping Illidan and reformed Sargeras, who looked theough Ilidan's eyes and came to respect him will be unleashed agauns the void/light fanatical armies 😂
Space Goats: I wonder why no one mentions all those other unnamed land masses you can clearly see out the window of the Vindicator. It's probably not important.
well the legion got beaten. these other threats are childsplay by comparison. Let yhe young races bother with it... a decades rest is basically long to get a cup of tea after their 25 millennia war, and the soccer mob of short lived children seems to fox everything else
Lmao. I still think back to the blizzcon comment of "why, when you go south on a planet and it gets hotter you're going towards an equator, implying their is a whole hemisphere below stranglethorn? Is this true" and the pannel board are like "ummmm...... No?" They're going to steal that when they run out of content lmao
@@kaiyote7924 mannnnnnnnnnnn, in lore pandaria is like an inverted northrend. Where most of the zones are climate controlled except for the top of kun lai. The in game map is a liar and always has been. Zandalar and kul tiras are both in the south seas, not right next to gilneas. Just imagine that durotar down is tropical, and never forget that deserts like Uldum and tanaris tend to form out of years of cold fronts bombarding otherwise hot land. Then on the eastern kingdoms side, stranglethorn vale lorewise is fucking massive. Like as big as zandalar, which is even bigger in the lore. So we have a polar continent magically being made temperate, a couple thousand miles of ocean that isn’t represented in any maps, and while one continent totally makes sense for pandaria to have been magically warmed up, the other just flat out misrepresents the lore so hard that it casually confused people on the nature of pandaria.
@@kaiyote7924Dude, they ran out of content years ago. Haven't you noticed that everything after BfAbhas been a sterilised reskin of something already established?
One minor note about that mage they had who wasn't so good at making portals. He has a quest chain (I don't know how it unlocks, I think it requires some previous quests to refer you to him) that has you trying to help him out, only to come back and find he's been assassinated/murdered by one of the Arathi. You have to investigate who it is and track them down to reach the eventual conclusion. It really paints a picture that the mages dying was very much intentional from the start....
Theory: most of the expedition were either related to the resistance against the emperor, or are of a more moderate faction that the radical elements wanted to get rid of.
From what I remember the mages all died upon first arrival, crash landings and such. And that the Order of Night didn't form until after the first time Beledar shifted, when Sargeras stabbed Azeroth, some 8-9 years ago. According to the video they've been in Hallowfall for 15 years, I haven't found that in-game though.
At this point, I expect that to becone an adventurer, one has to cut out their own tongue. That we are not allowed to ask or tell major lore characters the most simple things is ridicolous.
There’s a painting of the Emperor in the basement of the Priory. It’s like a den looking area with tables, chairs, and a fire place and a huge painting of an emperor looking dude over the big chair on the steps
11:21 they also have lynxes all over Eversong Forest. Not unheard of the this generation of high elves' parents rode some lynxes. And I say parents because, although their lifespans are ambiguous at best, Anasterian Sunstrider's reign is stated on Wowpedia to have lasted 2,800 years.
I thought they didn’t invent the air ships until after they arrived at Hollowfall. And that they were, in fact, just using regular ships to sail. And when they were teleported, their ships just fell in the cavern in an absolute catastrophe of a crash, thus explaining their losses and the name of the zone.
One of the things I really miss in RPGs is the "Okay let me ask you ALL the questions." That was so common in Bioware games. The Arthai are really interesting and it would be great to just ask them questions.
Is it me or everything about this expansion screams Warhammer? I know about their original connections, but you have tech priests in the form of machine speakers. Hallowfall is all about the "Emperor's light" and the "Emperor's vision". "The void" feels like the Warp too, with abominations corrupting people and etc.
I honestly thought till this moment that beledar was actually the tip of sargeras' sword filled with azeroth magic stuff and that the void is trying to mess with it
13:44 - Question 3: The Earthen on Khaz'algar remain Earthen because they do not Originate from the Forge of Wills in Ulduar, where MOST Earthen come from, and therefore have never come into contact with the Curse of Flesh.
They did have contact with the curse of flesh, as it's stated in a book in DF: . "Basically, they're more resistant but they still got infected and started to gain free will because of it."
They did got influenced by the Curse: Just in a lesser extent thanks to their remote location. The Curse didnt turn to flesh, but made them more and more self aware. This is why their society started to collapse between those still following the titans instructions as magical golems, and those that decided to follow their free will and lived free in those rural towns
Dont forget...the guy who cant cast portals learns to cast them only to be assassinated afterward. Someone wants to keep them there and away from the emporer.
One thing I liked about the Arathi, is that if you spend time in their main city, all the major Paladin npcs will come visit. The Lightforged captain, that Blood Elf hero, Tauren, trolls, everyone. And one of their conversations they talked about Beledar being Arcane and not shadow magic. I wonder if that's a hidden thing.
As someone who RP's a blood elf who is obsessed with human history like the Kingdom of Arathor, this zone was made for me specifically. ...And yeah, I have the same reaction that you have, Catch me banging on General Steelstrikes door asking her what the tax structure of the empire is like. Also you didn't mention that the Arathi like to play a Proto DnD-like wargame called Lights Gambit! It's not important, but it is to me!
I swear the emperor is basically dead, but still immortal and sits on his throne guarded by the most violent and loyal soldiers. No other being can get even to see him. Well Warham...i mean WoW seems to have a good story.
If the Empire is going to be antagonistic, that'd be the only way(or should be) that the Hollowfall Arathi stay our allies. They treat it as an affront to the Light and the whole reason we fight in that dungeon. If the Emperor is undead via the light, and is a well known fact, then there'd be no reason for them to be mad about the dungeon.
Aight, so the hexateron. If a triangle is 3 points all equidistant from each other, and a tetrahedron adds the third dimension to add a fourth point, hexateron takes it up to 5 dimensions for 6 points. All points are equally connected to all other points. THIS MEANS: any 2 cosmic forces, even ones we thought were antithetical, could actually team up or combine-exist with each other just as easy as they could be antithetical. Which opens up a lot of cosmic questions but some I think I have answers to. This also means any set of them could combine to various ends and functions, so fire for example, as a whole, could be seen as an expression of order, light, and fell since those are the three which are usually full of fire. There are so many more applications of this lore as well, but I would need to be able to draw a diagram
So, did they forget about Alleria and Turelyon being unable to touch because of their opposite forces? Or does there have to be a third force to act as a middle-man?
The emperor is called "Thoradin the 9th"...since people managed to translate the books in Hallowfall written in the Arathi text. Also, lynxes are native to Quel'Thalas, so the Arathi elves probably took them with themselves and became the Empire's mounts, instead of our Chocobo rip-offs!
@@BearGodXthey never said that quel'thalas rode lynxes, only that they are native to it. And they are, haven't seen them anywhere else in the game that i know of besides outlands.
Hey platinum, just so you know the Dracthyr get special dialogue from Anduin and Lothar when you get that whole choice dialogue thingy. Lothar also implies that the majority of the other races would not be welcome. Insinuating that Humans, Elves, and Draconic things are tolerated but nothing else.
My only gripe really for this expansion is the ‘everyone is best friends’ in all corners of the zones haha. Like you mentioned, a more nuanced and strained relationship with the enemies of our enemies, is far more interesting.
@@GazingTrandoshan I agree with that, Alleria was definitely hostile and I personally appreciated that story beat, however past that, with the Weaver, Anduin, the Vizier etc, The Nerubians of this expansion really give off the impression of ‘friends’ rather than reluctant allies. Just my opinion. I really do like the expansion as a whole and the world building was excellent.
@@galadrigal7644 Friends? The weaver literally calls you her little morsel.. A friend does not drool over you like food. Although that being said I agree it should be even more strained and sort of like working from the shadows just to get rid of the Xal'Atath lovers. That being said the Nerubians have always been neutral unless the Lich King was involved.
@@Vandakai The nerubians being friendly or neutral is strange as it is. Remember how the Mantid betrayed everyone in Pandaria over a DEAD god? Xalatath is alive... their independence makes no sense when they were created by the Old Gods to be Old God servants. The undead Nerubians were fighting the Void-serving ones. That was their whole deal back in wotlk too. But nah, we gotta make them look good and install not one, but two queens on their throne. Mind you, Im okay with queens leading a bug hive, but 1. we never seen female nerubians before. Now suddenly theyre in leading positions beacuse of course they are. 2. bugs, spiders, whatever, usually have quite a lot of kids. Not just 1.
dont Forget the Captains Logbook you find in the Ocean that says: "They is day nine of our grand fleets deployment over the Isle of Dorne" There are also hints in it and in Hallowfalls sidequest (female chef) that hint strongly that this was NOT the first expedition here.
Platinum WOW you forgot the most important unanswered question! Why give us new kobold models and lore if they will not let us play them as an allied race?!
There may be a lot of unanswered questions but Chris Metzan did say in an interview that TWW is basically just the beginning, the appetizer if you will. If things are answered at the end, fine but some things might carry over to Midnight which is a good thing so that everything is not just wrapped up in one expansion. It would be pretty boring if next patch (after the anniversary one) everything is answered...okay now what? Sure one or two would be nice but keep us wondering. Keep us speculating.
Yeah people are forgetting that the next three expansions are a connected trilogy. We're in uncharted territory when it comes to story right now. I wouldn't expect answers to alot of these mysteries until Midnight at least.
@@christianholbrook2686 Exactly! I get we're all used to just single stand alone expansions but I try and keep it in the back of my mind that this is going to be continued and that's a good thing. Means more story, more building. Same as people forgetting that Xalatath...well that ain't her body lol whenever people simp I kinda just think "Xalatath is probably going to be super ugly with many heads and so forth. You're simping over a dead elf's body." (Think she died. Been a while since done that quest back in BFA)
@@Aukaisihir She didn't die in BFA, She had no physical body, we found the sword; and killed an elf who wanted to wield the power of the void; Xalatath took control of her body with Nzoth's help, basically tricked us(players).
@@Deathl_O_r_d That's what I meant. We killed a random elf lol not Xalatath. My point was that that's not her true body. Just a shell and people are simping and oogling over a corpse really
not to be a stickler but thoradin and sigmar seem to be both heavily based on charlemagne and arthur kingdoms being made of barbaric tribes unified arent exactly a unique thing in fantasy OR history.
8:19 maybe this is covered later, but if their mages died, and there's resurrected mages in the Priory.... Can't the now risen mages cast portals home? Yes, they'd be abominations and likely killed when the other Arathi arrive for reinforcements, but they're zealots and that should be their jam.
Is that a bad thing? All this fantasy shit is ultimately derived from Tolkien's writings anyway, and Tolkien himself was inspired by European folklore and mythology, plus all the fantasy writers that came before him. This is just how art works.
@@alexandercolengelo8418 From what I've heard and read it was just warcraft that was originally meant to be a fantasy 40k game but that didn't pan out so they did their own thing with it. Starcraft was based one other media like Starship Troopers, Aliens and Ender's Game.
It'd be cool and original for Blizzard to give the Emperor say like 20 sons or so, and each son gets to command their own army of sons. Then idk, like half of the sons or so turn to the void and the Emperor gets mortally wounded by his favorite son and gets stuck on the throne or something? Then without his leadership everyone starts to become really racist and zealous and slay anyone who doesn't believe in the light or look like them? Just spitting some random original ideas
I like to think that since the Emperor is so mysterious, there might be some fishy things going on, i theorise from the experience of various other games and writings that its possible that the Emperor may be the original Thoradinn himself or some other original member of the empire, but resurrected as a light undead. Or maybe something that could be closely related to a Light Lich King
This whole void/light thing is gonna have a very boring conclusion because wow can't design for player agency since it's an mmo, would've been fun in a single player rpg though.
@@Dicka899 they should have made that years ago, right after WOTLK/Legion. If not a third, a non aligned/mercenary faction (like the tavern heroes in WC3) Forsaken, Night elves, Blood elves, goblins, pandas, and other ton of furry races fit better as neutral or independent factions
the fkin thumbnail is killing me STOP! LOL and i am calling it now, that Beledar IS naaru it has the markings, it acts like Mu'uru did in the sunwell, IT HAS to be Naaru i mean look at the netherlight priest class hall too! IT'S GOTTA BE NAARU MAN!
-What is the Black Blood Its Old God blood. -When does the end of the raid even take place? Before the campaign end cinematic. Blizzard admitted they fucked up with how they did that. -Why does Ascension make Nerubians appear more humanoid? Likely has something to do with the Curse of Flesh; IIRC, Nerubians operate more as a hivemind instead of individuals (correct me if I'm wrong). Making one more of an individual through evolution and giving it more free will can lead to easier domination over them, since you're not having to dominate the *entire* hivemind.
Nerubians, like all Aqir-descended races, literally came from the Old Gods though. There is no "curse of flesh" for them, because they are already creatures that are naturally Old God/Void-aligned. We've even seen ascension turn some of them into more horrific forms, it's just that the typical ascended foot soldier looks more humanoid for some reason. I really don't know why they look more humanoid, when if anything it should've made them a bit more eldritch or something.
@@borga6566 Ah, thanks for the correction. Honestly, it'll probably never get explained, or we could find out later in the expansion (seeing as how the Black Blood is sitting right beside the assumed roots of that ancient world tree; if the Well of Eternity can turn trolls into elves, life/arcane infuse Old God blood would very likely do some bonkers ass stuff).
@@Dimumouto Tbh, I think it might just be an artistic choice. If they were to explain it though, perhaps it could be Xal'atath simply wanting them to be more efficient or something. They somewhat chose those forms specifically, rather than it randomly making them more humanoid.
@borga6566 Actually, that makes a good point, since Xalatath has watched mortals wage war for ages; maybe the more humanoid forms are an extension of that. Fight fire with fire, just more spider-y.
I'm really hoping for a arathi light fanatic raid, we never got a scarlet crusade raid we need this. I'm just assuming the full empire shows up at some point and is full on fanatical. Would fit in in a season where they remaster the scarlet monastery for m+ too
Between the Earthen always wondering where the Titans went, and the Arathi talking about "The Empire" back home, I'm wondering when the hell someone is just gonna tell these people what's going on
Ironically there is a golden throne in WoW but it's in Zandalar. Talanji sits on it Though it's kinda unclear if the throne on top of the pyramid or the one inside it is the "real" one
@@pll3827 Incorrect, one person on the team wanted to make WC1 a WHFB game so sent out a request, but got vetoed by the rest of the team due to bad prior licensing expereinces (and GW themselves didnt even respond).
Ive long given up on wow as a game and a story but PlatinumWoW is the channel that kept me somewhat interested. You are too good for this franchise man
Very well condensed video on all the lore that's available so far. I loved the comedic bits as well. It made it more enjoyable to watch. I've had similar questions regarding the Arathi and some concerns about their society, culture, faith, etc. And to hear that the Sacred Flame is both Light and Arcane is a very interesting fact I had no idea about. So thank you for this very detailed by also, as said, condensed video. Very informative for me as a WoW RPer!
Also, it sucks that the best music from the zone is located in * *checks note* * ...the farm area, Light's Blooming. Specifically, Arathor General H , A, B, and C.
I enjoy that "Fungal" music a lot, the very ominious tune...But as per usual with modern WoW tracks it's a great big mess of epic orchestral tunes that all blend together into an indistinguishable mass with very few stand-out tracks. Has been an issue since Legion or BfA, I believe.
I'm pretty sure Arathi Empire will be part of next expansion. Blizzard been wanting to have an alliance-looking villain for some time. Wonderful video, by the way.
@@silver4831 addition: besides, as I mentioned in the other comments, chances are we, the player characters, have done worse than they did, so all it takes is a little persuasion-and-trust-earning arc for blizz to let us ally with them
@@Kubapajonczek that doesn't mean Arathi won't be a playable race (for Alliance ONLY I hope). But I think part of them will still be a part of a villainous plot.
I kind of wish we got more intolerant, complex not nice factions in general. the story writing feels so sloppy because every faction feels so immediately kind and welcoming with no explanation. it should be the case that the earthen, arathi, and nerubians should be a sliding scale of neutral to unfriendly at first.
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the idea of a lore hungry dwarf kicking down someone's door to ask them inane questions about their government's tax structure is not something I thought I'd need but I'm glad it's in my head now XD
14:18 Well their continent is like the previously mentioned Avaloran. Not just because it's been name dropped, but its similarity to "Avalon" in Arthurian legend.
Beledar and the Arathi, imo is like Oshugun with the orcs. It's a draenei ship similar to the vindicar, exodar, genedar, xenedar. Just like the Vindicaar being powered by light and void in Legion and the quests we did for it. That's why Beledar shifts. Because when Sargeras stabbed azeroth he screwed up the balance of the engine inside. So now the ship draws its power between light and void. But the question is, how long has Beledar been there? Velen and the Draenei came to draenor only 200 yrs ago and came to azeroth much later. Was there another ship from Argus that crash landed on azeroth before them? And what happened to all the space goats on that ship? Also, i liked your headcannon on the Linxes. That's something i never thought about with the high elves.
I think similar, but different. I think instead of it being a Draenei ship, it's actually a Light Prison. It's housing a Void Lord, or another similar big, Void presence that they couldn't destroy. They trapped it, and sent it to Azeroth for the Prime Worldsoul to act as a battery and keep it powered on. It was just when Sargeras stabbed the planet (along with thousands of years of going through massive damage) that Azeroth can't keep it powered like it used to. The prison is weakening, causing the crystal to shift to Void as the entity in it is trying to escape. When it shifts the Void, it's pretty much whatever is inside rattling the prison bars as they begin to weaken right before the lights come back on.
I used to be a bit iffy about the "Light undead"- thing, but after doing some transmog runs in the Sunwell raid during the pre- patch, I realized other cosmic powers than Death always could raise the dead. Necromancy was never exclusive to the Scourge or Maldraxxus. In the Sunwell raid, we see the Pit Lord Brutallus kill a blue dragon. After we kill Brutallus, his Felblood raises the dragon as a skeletal dragon named Felmyst. This was the first proof that Fel can raise the dead. Another example is Gul'dan raising Mannoroth in the Hellfire Citadel raid in MoP, and Lord Ravencrest and his army as undead in Legion. In Warlords of Draenor, Ner'zul and the Shadowmoon Clan used the Void to raise their ancestors and fallen warriors as undead. While this was mostly a hint at Ner'zul becoming the first Lich King in the main timeline, it's still evidense that the Void too has this power. This could also be the reason Yogg- Saron- an Old God- was called the "God of Death". The Void Lords gave him the power of necromancy, and it was his influence that gave Galakrond his necromantic powers. WoD also showed us even Life can raise undead. The Botani would sometimes use the raw, primal Life magic to raise orcs they killed as zombies. The Light is just the latest addition to cosmic powers that can raise undead. We still haven't seen any elementals, Titanforged, or beings with arcane magic with this ability, though. EDIT: Technically, we HAVE seen Titanforged raise the dead. Odyn made a deal with Mueh'zala, the original Loa of Death, to gaze into the Shadowlands. He saw the Kyrian, and was inspired to cheat the system, by creating the val'kyr, winged Titanforged with the ability to gather the souls of fallen vrykul, and raise them as the Valarjar in Odyn's servise. Basically the WoW version of the Einherjar from Norse mythology. Arthas would later steal this idea from his vrykul allies in Northrend, and create his own val'kyr who used Scourge necromancy to raise fallen vrykul as zombies. The remaining nine would go on to serve Sylvanas, and bring her to the Jailer's side. So ALL six powers have at least dabbled with necromancy to some extent. But we still haven't seen any elementals, or Azeroth herself do it.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Originally, yes. But since Shadowlands, it's been revealed necromancy (or the version we know best) originates from the Shadowlands, Maldraxxus to be precise. The Jailer stole the ideas of Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination from the Primus' head, had them forged, and gave them to the Nathrezim, who sold them to Kil'jaeden as their own creations. He placed Ner'zul's broken soul in the helmet, and the rest is history. As much as we want to forget about the Shadowlands, that's the lore Blizzard is going with (for now). The Nathrezim who infiltrated the Legion continued to raise the dead in the Legion's service, and likely thought Gul'dan necromancy too. Though the way Felmyst was raised implies fel magic can do this on its own. The point is, ALL six powers can raise the dead to some extent. Maldraxxus and the Scourge just happen to be the experts.
@@stormstrider1990 "The Nathrezim who infiltrated the Legion" Was this changed? I thought the Nathrezim convinced Sargeras to form the Burning Legion in the first place. They showed Sargeras how the demons couldn't be killed and his efforts were in vain, which drove him mad and started the Crusade.
Remember, back in TBC the retcons of wrath werent yet hit so necromancy was just a school of magic (and iirc the blue dragon, while killed by the charge as a NPC, still has dialogue, so it can be seen as her "dying" till the spill of corrupt blood from the pit lord empowers but corrupts her, same way it worked for orcs and draenei). Back then Nerzhuls WC2 saga of gathering the artifacts, breaking through dimensions and using the power from them to craft the items that will make him the lich king (and his prison) wasnt concluded in WC3 with "he discovered necromancy" as a type of magic, but the ability to genuinely create the undead instead of puppet corpses (animated skeletons) or move and bind souls with demonic magic (human knight corpses with orc souls as pseudo-liches) which is what necromancy was till then.
"My Lord, this is getting out of hand. The dwarf is again harrassing the children, demanding information of the most common genus of crops we have back home".
I think the biggest culprit why we can't have factions that are similar to The Imperium of Man or villains like the Dark Eldar (As an example) is because many people within the company either have no idea how to write Dark Fantasy/Grimdark Fantasy or have an obsession with smoothing out any edge the story could have to make it appealing to people who don't like stories with real life problems/connotations (Likely a mix of both). Leading to this mess of conflicting ideas where some people want to return WoW to its dark fantasy roots, while others want more things like the Loam Niffen and Vulpera. And I think this conflict of ideas shows itself with how they treated Faerin. With her character in the trailer appearing more grizzled and fanatical to the point missing an arm and eye didn't stop her from her service, while her character in-game is more: "Sad backstory, but I believe in the power of friendship so Anduin can progress from his multi-expansion sadboy arc." It's complete tonal whiplash from how she looked and acted, same with the Earthen. They had a good start, only to be softened up and over-simplified upon release for whatever reason. WoW has every advantage if they wanted to go back to dark fantasy, Wizards of the Coast and Games Workshop have proved this to be an extremely successful practice. WoW has good lore (Mostly), some of the best interpretations of fantasy races (Orcs, Trolls and Elves especially), and characters that could compete with the best of them if they only allowed them to progress in a way that is actually meaningful and interesting. And I'm not asking for complete Grimdark either, I miss the self-awareness and some of the genuinely funny & unserious moments from Cata and Wrath. But WoW now lacks that quality self-awareness and stopped having good jokes for a long time because they're terrified of having any kind of edge or grit to their writing.
they had their days of Racism and Edgy stories, but today's society hates that kind of thing and Blizzard as a company, has to appeal to as many gamers as they can. so while they're not gonna go full woke on us, they're not gonna get that EDGY anymore, so things like forced breeding (Alexstrasza) and so on, are big no-nos.
The Earthen arc really disappointed me, here you have this cool, half robotic race that lives strictly by their purpose, given to them by gods. If you were born to be a warrior, you are and you know it's your purpose. Or if you were born to be a craftsman, you knew immediately and honed your craft. But no, they get "awakened" and now they can be whatever they WANT to be!!! (Ignore the fact that they always wanted to be what they were made for). It's just so annoying, every race is exactly the same. The Undead aren't losing their humanity, the orcs are honorable but brutal, the elves aren't mysterious and wise, every race is just humans but with a different skin.
@@loganbennett2488 absolute L take, how bout you come be my RL slave? you can dress how i want, do as i say and it sounds like you'd be happy to do it. dont you see?? choosing someone's destiny for someone rather than let them choose is Slavery!
nice video. I haven't been able to play wow this expansion yet. but from what I've seen online, the game is moving in the right direction. it does make me happy
I very much enjoy "The Unseeming" or whatever it was called thematically, but it's basically just watery Ny'alotha again. I doubt Blizzard will be able to do anything worthwhile with all those new hastily brought up story threads.
One thing to also highlight is how the Arathi also have a certain appreciation for "technology" as they are the first race to develop warships and certain prototypes of prosthetics. Something that is normally closely linked to gnomes and goblins, something that arathis, until now, have not shown themselves to be familiar with.
Being racist openly like this is so cringe, same shit as calling every white person some name , they make new characters ,write them well not even bossing anyone around just talking normally to people and its NOT enough for you weirdos
Everything after the death of Arthas feels like a fever dream, seriously these expansions just show how little the writers care about the lore, plus the ever shrinking player base shows this quite well Edit: also seriously lamplighters that’s the best they got?
@ The difference was that the Lore beforehand you can either argue well against or brush off the minor inconsistencies, now it’s blatantly obvious that the writers don’t give a rats behind about the story anymore
The old WoW was heavily inspired by D&D. I know a lot of high fantasy franchises are, especially in the early 2000s, but classic WoW had a lot of D&D influence
100% agree with you about what you said. I have so many questions to the point of being affraid of the answers! Add to the questions: - Where and what was doing this damn Empire when Azeroth was dealing with the Cataclysm, the recent Burning Legion invasion or the events leading to Shadowlands? And yeah. At least the lore is quite fun this extension.
Platinum I kid you not I spent like 2 hours last night thinking I'd gone crazy and forgotten about a modern day thriving arathor somewhere in the eastern kingdoms
Imagine if they just added it, and put it in classic too and just went _"what no, it was always here."_
I have a better question than the ones on the video. if the video was release 4 hours ago, why it said that this comment was posted 1 day ago???
@@CristianDCureit was probably released earlier for members
@@CristianDCurewhy do you care so much lmao 😂
The one left was them murdered
It would be fun if this "emperor" would be living in giant mountain where he will be raising 20 infused by light children, and 20 legions of superhalfelfs to conquer all azeroth
Too bad his favourite son Cooper caused half of his Siblings to turn against his father in an event known only as The Cooper Coup
@@danthedamning7210 Cooper will become the WarCraft 40000.
You know there is Warhammer (fantasy) old world, right?
I personally wonder if that emperor is accompanied by a council of Voting Dukes, whom he summons when there are trouble in his empire
@@maxthepaladin2147 SUMMON THE ELECTO--er, I mean--VOTING DUKES
You will NOT eat the forbidden ceiling rock candy, no matter how purple it looks
If non edible why look like candy?
BUT IT'S GRAPE FLAVOURED!!! 😭😭😭
Fancy seeing you here
What if I prefer the Lemon flavor?
You can't tell me what not to eat!
Ah yes we went from kid friendly LOTR to now Kid friendly Warhammer 40k
A random child: Fer da emperor!
Void monster: Aww!
Fitting as how originaly when trying to create Warcraft, they tried to get the license to Warhammer, and when the negotiations didn't happen, they ended creating their own universe, lore, races, etc. So it eventualy had to end up in Warhammer again.
we went from the series based off warhammer to warhammer references, who knew!
I have a feeling (more of a hope/cope) that this saga takes warcraft to a darker place. The power of friendship crap has to end. Now that Metzen is back maybe it will end. We have to remember that the base expansion of TWW was made mostly before metzen returned.
@@Hawkens4k Kid pulls out a Fischer Price Bolter.
Chris Metzen drawing inspiration from Warhammer? Unheard of.
lol, considering warcraft: Orc and Human was originaly planned as a rts for fantasy warhammer(yes I know there is more detail to the whole thing, but thats all I can remember) but forgot why it fel through and the game was just released as its own thing XD
WarCraft was originally meant to be fantasy Warhammer
Imagine if Warcraft today managed to get their own Warhammer models and everything
From all the factions/races, etc.
I’d be permanently broke.
@@mr.noonoo1003You mean you aren't now?
Haha I love how starcraft is a straight rip of 40k
It isn't warhammer anymore becaue The individual who wrote this expansion hates warhammer, stragelly though the arathi REEKS of Elder Scrolls Breton and Avaloren High Isle expansion
finally a naaru crystal sized big enough to turn Sargeras sword into an ashbringer
yea lets have a giant battle with sargeras as the ashbringer vs the void lords
It would be so cool if Azeroth uses that thing as a weapon when/if she awakens
Holy shit. This is a joke I know, but HECK it seems a real possibility!
@@ryzziktrognesou1 Maybe Sargeras will be a chad when we see him again. But if they make him be like the dark iron boy there's like Does this have eggs in it? I'm allergic then i'll be done with the lore.
I'm tipping Illidan and reformed Sargeras, who looked theough Ilidan's eyes and came to respect him will be unleashed agauns the void/light fanatical armies 😂
Space Goats: I wonder why no one mentions all those other unnamed land masses you can clearly see out the window of the Vindicator. It's probably not important.
well the legion got beaten. these other threats are childsplay by comparison. Let yhe young races bother with it... a decades rest is basically long to get a cup of tea after their 25 millennia war, and the soccer mob of short lived children seems to fox everything else
Lmao. I still think back to the blizzcon comment of "why, when you go south on a planet and it gets hotter you're going towards an equator, implying their is a whole hemisphere below stranglethorn? Is this true" and the pannel board are like "ummmm...... No?"
They're going to steal that when they run out of content lmao
@@kaiyote7924 mannnnnnnnnnnn, in lore pandaria is like an inverted northrend. Where most of the zones are climate controlled except for the top of kun lai. The in game map is a liar and always has been. Zandalar and kul tiras are both in the south seas, not right next to gilneas. Just imagine that durotar down is tropical, and never forget that deserts like Uldum and tanaris tend to form out of years of cold fronts bombarding otherwise hot land. Then on the eastern kingdoms side, stranglethorn vale lorewise is fucking massive. Like as big as zandalar, which is even bigger in the lore. So we have a polar continent magically being made temperate, a couple thousand miles of ocean that isn’t represented in any maps, and while one continent totally makes sense for pandaria to have been magically warmed up, the other just flat out misrepresents the lore so hard that it casually confused people on the nature of pandaria.
Looking out of the windows is now illegal
@@kaiyote7924Dude, they ran out of content years ago. Haven't you noticed that everything after BfAbhas been a sterilised reskin of something already established?
I'm honestly hoping for the Arathi Emperor to just be a light-infused corpse on a throne, just for the sake of the reference.
If anything, he will be - his empire fell apart in 1200 BDP
so rip off warhammer again
Soo a Warhammer rip off? Lol
Isn't that just Calia Menethil?
@benjaminandersen8482 Is that even accurate anymore though? These guys only came in 15 years ago.
i cant wait for all those questions to be answered all together in a 3 minute cinematic in 5 years from now
"Beledar is a naaru.... A big naaru"
"Oh my God... What else?"
"That's it..... See you next expansion"
"BY MY HOLY HAMERRR"
10/10 voice acting, shades of Dawn of War voice acting for space marines. Glad you highlighted it in your video Mr Pladdy daddy
Platiunum
@@cristhianmlr Platinuwunum.
Baron from the priory one of the best god damn paladins ever. AT LEAST rank 3 to Tirion, and Maraad
One minor note about that mage they had who wasn't so good at making portals. He has a quest chain (I don't know how it unlocks, I think it requires some previous quests to refer you to him) that has you trying to help him out, only to come back and find he's been assassinated/murdered by one of the Arathi. You have to investigate who it is and track them down to reach the eventual conclusion. It really paints a picture that the mages dying was very much intentional from the start....
Theory: most of the expedition were either related to the resistance against the emperor, or are of a more moderate faction that the radical elements wanted to get rid of.
From what I remember the mages all died upon first arrival, crash landings and such. And that the Order of Night didn't form until after the first time Beledar shifted, when Sargeras stabbed Azeroth, some 8-9 years ago. According to the video they've been in Hallowfall for 15 years, I haven't found that in-game though.
Chris Metzen on the emperors chair is a meme I immediately stole.
I never knew I needed that image until I saw it, so I took channeled my inner Blood Raven
Upcoming playable Race: Rat People...
Kobold lore was in Hearthstone first i KID YOU NOT.
I would enjoy playable Kobolds
I have actually seen some stuff on the Harronir
Yes, confirmed Horde race. Alliance will get Furbolgs....
Yes, yes! **squeek**
At this point, I expect that to becone an adventurer, one has to cut out their own tongue. That we are not allowed to ask or tell major lore characters the most simple things is ridicolous.
*stoically nods*
This was implemented after too many adventurers attempted to hit on Chris Metzen
I'm pretty sure the Arathi emperor is just Kuzco from The Emperor's New Groove. Change my mind.
There’s a painting of the Emperor in the basement of the Priory. It’s like a den looking area with tables, chairs, and a fire place and a huge painting of an emperor looking dude over the big chair on the steps
I saw this video's title and thought it was a Bellular video.
me too 😂
It may as well be.
But this video is actually entertaining, something bellular can't do.
@@gearzdesign can't do ANYMORE sadly. Early Bellular made some decent stuff.
@@gearzdesign Truth bomb
Just call Velen to check it out ffs
He won’t help, he only gets off his ass when his old demon buddies are involved.
Tell him we have "LIGHT" down there
IT'S VERY POSSIBLE Velen would know about Beledar or whatever naaru it is!
Exactly! This would be a great time to include Velen in something again. Even if he doesn't know exactly what it is.
Yep, I’m thinking Beledar is a crumpled up Naaru or Naaru-adjacent entity under extreme stress, hence the erratic Void state.
11:21 they also have lynxes all over Eversong Forest. Not unheard of the this generation of high elves' parents rode some lynxes. And I say parents because, although their lifespans are ambiguous at best, Anasterian Sunstrider's reign is stated on Wowpedia to have lasted 2,800 years.
is there a Lynx Mount in game?? there should be!
@@UltimateGamerCCthe only ones I know of are the two added with TWW.
@@Tarecgos ok so there are, good.
I thought they didn’t invent the air ships until after they arrived at Hollowfall. And that they were, in fact, just using regular ships to sail. And when they were teleported, their ships just fell in the cavern in an absolute catastrophe of a crash, thus explaining their losses and the name of the zone.
One of the things I really miss in RPGs is the "Okay let me ask you ALL the questions." That was so common in Bioware games. The Arthai are really interesting and it would be great to just ask them questions.
Is it me or everything about this expansion screams Warhammer? I know about their original connections, but you have tech priests in the form of machine speakers. Hallowfall is all about the "Emperor's light" and the "Emperor's vision". "The void" feels like the Warp too, with abominations corrupting people and etc.
Yes it really does sound like Warhammer
I mean it's always been a derivative from warhammer.
Let's Pray there's No Horus Heresy.
Yes it does, and I LOVE IT!!👊
literally screenshotted the techpriest to send to my Warhammer friends 🤣
If the Arathi empire is anything like the Imperium of man then we might be the ones getting crusade this time around.😅
Maybe for like a prepatch worth, anything past that by WoW tradition is us utterly manhandling them.
We'll just sic Yrel and her Lightforged on them. I doubt they'd be amused to see their precious Light corrupted by Order magics.
Nah, they're far too fluffy and milquetoast to actually be anything like imperium.
Maybe maybe
But current writing team won't do something's so oppressive and offensive
HUMANS INVENTED LEMONS! -The Emperor of Mankind probably
Think the emperor himself can't drink milk due to him being born before humanity had farm animals?
I honestly thought till this moment that beledar was actually the tip of sargeras' sword filled with azeroth magic stuff and that the void is trying to mess with it
Same
Yeah, me too, on the world map u can kinda see how it's close enough to silithus with as big as the sword is and if it was lodged at an angle
So where is the tip of that sword then?!!!!
13:44 - Question 3: The Earthen on Khaz'algar remain Earthen because they do not Originate from the Forge of Wills in Ulduar, where MOST Earthen come from, and therefore have never come into contact with the Curse of Flesh.
They have come into contact with the Curse of Flesh; it is what gives them their free will.
They did have contact with the curse of flesh, as it's stated in a book in DF: . "Basically, they're more resistant but they still got infected and started to gain free will because of it."
@@dany5ful Well aight, the rest of my statement is true tho lol
They did got influenced by the Curse: Just in a lesser extent thanks to their remote location.
The Curse didnt turn to flesh, but made them more and more self aware. This is why their society started to collapse between those still following the titans instructions as magical golems, and those that decided to follow their free will and lived free in those rural towns
@@ispear6337 this is yout headcanon
What's next? We'll have a hidden cult within the Alliance, lead by a charismaitc bald man, which praises certain kind of fel crystalls?
Dont forget...the guy who cant cast portals learns to cast them only to be assassinated afterward. Someone wants to keep them there and away from the emporer.
One thing I liked about the Arathi, is that if you spend time in their main city, all the major Paladin npcs will come visit. The Lightforged captain, that Blood Elf hero, Tauren, trolls, everyone.
And one of their conversations they talked about Beledar being Arcane and not shadow magic. I wonder if that's a hidden thing.
As someone who RP's a blood elf who is obsessed with human history like the Kingdom of Arathor, this zone was made for me specifically.
...And yeah, I have the same reaction that you have, Catch me banging on General Steelstrikes door asking her what the tax structure of the empire is like. Also you didn't mention that the Arathi like to play a Proto DnD-like wargame called Lights Gambit! It's not important, but it is to me!
8:57 "Even in death, I still serve."
I see some 40k inspiration. I like it.
I swear the emperor is basically dead, but still immortal and sits on his throne guarded by the most violent and loyal soldiers. No other being can get even to see him. Well Warham...i mean WoW seems to have a good story.
I hope that the emporer turns out to be an old king that is perpetually raised into undeath with the light magic every time he dies
fk yeah! considering some of the mobs in the Dungeon are undead which were raised etc!
If the Empire is going to be antagonistic, that'd be the only way(or should be) that the Hollowfall Arathi stay our allies. They treat it as an affront to the Light and the whole reason we fight in that dungeon. If the Emperor is undead via the light, and is a well known fact, then there'd be no reason for them to be mad about the dungeon.
Aight, so the hexateron. If a triangle is 3 points all equidistant from each other, and a tetrahedron adds the third dimension to add a fourth point, hexateron takes it up to 5 dimensions for 6 points. All points are equally connected to all other points.
THIS MEANS: any 2 cosmic forces, even ones we thought were antithetical, could actually team up or combine-exist with each other just as easy as they could be antithetical. Which opens up a lot of cosmic questions but some I think I have answers to.
This also means any set of them could combine to various ends and functions, so fire for example, as a whole, could be seen as an expression of order, light, and fell since those are the three which are usually full of fire.
There are so many more applications of this lore as well, but I would need to be able to draw a diagram
TFS Piccolo: "NERRRRRRRRD!!"
So, did they forget about Alleria and Turelyon being unable to touch because of their opposite forces? Or does there have to be a third force to act as a middle-man?
The emperor is called "Thoradin the 9th"...since people managed to translate the books in Hallowfall written in the Arathi text.
Also, lynxes are native to Quel'Thalas, so the Arathi elves probably took them with themselves and became the Empire's mounts, instead of our Chocobo rip-offs!
Yes, the video says this.
You're wrong, the elves of Quel'Thalas never rode lynxs and has nothing to do with the lynxes in Hallowfall
@@BearGodXthey never said that quel'thalas rode lynxes, only that they are native to it. And they are, haven't seen them anywhere else in the game that i know of besides outlands.
Hey platinum, just so you know the Dracthyr get special dialogue from Anduin and Lothar when you get that whole choice dialogue thingy.
Lothar also implies that the majority of the other races would not be welcome. Insinuating that Humans, Elves, and Draconic things are tolerated but nothing else.
My only gripe really for this expansion is the ‘everyone is best friends’ in all corners of the zones haha. Like you mentioned, a more nuanced and strained relationship with the enemies of our enemies, is far more interesting.
Isn't that the exact scenario with the spider people? They don't like us, we just both want to coup for different reasons
@@BluestCheese Alleria was literally aggressive about it too , like how are people missing beats?
@@GazingTrandoshan I agree with that, Alleria was definitely hostile and I personally appreciated that story beat, however past that, with the Weaver, Anduin, the Vizier etc, The Nerubians of this expansion really give off the impression of ‘friends’ rather than reluctant allies. Just my opinion. I really do like the expansion as a whole and the world building was excellent.
@@galadrigal7644 Friends? The weaver literally calls you her little morsel.. A friend does not drool over you like food. Although that being said I agree it should be even more strained and sort of like working from the shadows just to get rid of the Xal'Atath lovers. That being said the Nerubians have always been neutral unless the Lich King was involved.
@@Vandakai The nerubians being friendly or neutral is strange as it is. Remember how the Mantid betrayed everyone in Pandaria over a DEAD god? Xalatath is alive... their independence makes no sense when they were created by the Old Gods to be Old God servants.
The undead Nerubians were fighting the Void-serving ones. That was their whole deal back in wotlk too. But nah, we gotta make them look good and install not one, but two queens on their throne. Mind you, Im okay with queens leading a bug hive, but
1. we never seen female nerubians before. Now suddenly theyre in leading positions beacuse of course they are.
2. bugs, spiders, whatever, usually have quite a lot of kids. Not just 1.
Your videos just keep on getting better and better! The double hexagon bit had me in tears.
"The Arathi had no clue what the crystal was and where it was from but they instantly fell in love with it":D
Paladins are like moths
I like the idea of insane dwarf running around Hallowfall and asking people all kinds of crazy questions :D
Reading the title I'm really worried because the last time we got some new lore that changed everything it was the jailer
dont Forget the Captains Logbook you find in the Ocean that says: "They is day nine of our grand fleets deployment over the Isle of Dorne"
There are also hints in it and in Hallowfalls sidequest (female chef) that hint strongly that this was NOT the first expedition here.
I assume The Emperor will be a mayor antagonist in the future. Maybe not in this expansion, but soon i guess
Personally I’m assuming the emperor will be a governor antagonist.
@@Pitstik07 nah fam. he is an emperor. highest rank in the empire. that means he must be at least a president antagonist
Platinum WOW you forgot the most important unanswered question! Why give us new kobold models and lore if they will not let us play them as an allied race?!
There may be a lot of unanswered questions but Chris Metzan did say in an interview that TWW is basically just the beginning, the appetizer if you will. If things are answered at the end, fine but some things might carry over to Midnight which is a good thing so that everything is not just wrapped up in one expansion. It would be pretty boring if next patch (after the anniversary one) everything is answered...okay now what? Sure one or two would be nice but keep us wondering. Keep us speculating.
Yeah people are forgetting that the next three expansions are a connected trilogy. We're in uncharted territory when it comes to story right now. I wouldn't expect answers to alot of these mysteries until Midnight at least.
@@christianholbrook2686 Exactly! I get we're all used to just single stand alone expansions but I try and keep it in the back of my mind that this is going to be continued and that's a good thing. Means more story, more building. Same as people forgetting that Xalatath...well that ain't her body lol whenever people simp I kinda just think "Xalatath is probably going to be super ugly with many heads and so forth. You're simping over a dead elf's body." (Think she died. Been a while since done that quest back in BFA)
@@Aukaisihir She didn't die in BFA, She had no physical body, we found the sword; and killed an elf who wanted to wield the power of the void; Xalatath took control of her body with Nzoth's help, basically tricked us(players).
@@Deathl_O_r_d That's what I meant. We killed a random elf lol not Xalatath. My point was that that's not her true body. Just a shell and people are simping and oogling over a corpse really
@@Aukaisihir Oh yeah true
not to be a stickler but thoradin and sigmar seem to be both heavily based on charlemagne and arthur
kingdoms being made of barbaric tribes unified arent exactly a unique thing in fantasy OR history.
8:19 maybe this is covered later, but if their mages died, and there's resurrected mages in the Priory.... Can't the now risen mages cast portals home? Yes, they'd be abominations and likely killed when the other Arathi arrive for reinforcements, but they're zealots and that should be their jam.
Platinum running around wreaking all kinds of racked in search for info is just to funny.
I wish he would make it into a running joke.
They aren’t even hiding their 40k influence lol
Warcraft was suppoused to be a warhammer game, until they couldn't get the license.
StarCraft and Warcraft are inspired by 40k so I mean it’s not a secret lol
Is that a bad thing? All this fantasy shit is ultimately derived from Tolkien's writings anyway, and Tolkien himself was inspired by European folklore and mythology, plus all the fantasy writers that came before him. This is just how art works.
@@alexandercolengelo8418 From what I've heard and read it was just warcraft that was originally meant to be a fantasy 40k game but that didn't pan out so they did their own thing with it. Starcraft was based one other media like Starship Troopers, Aliens and Ender's Game.
@@lordfoogthe2st789yeah it was based on warhammer fantasy or the old world
Warcraft's New Lore That Changes EVERYTHING... AGAIN?!
They had some unique lines for my warlock, basically saying the empire wouldn't take kindly to me embracing the shadow
When that Illidan footage dropped in Legion, I felt everything Illidan said in my soul, so much so I eye-lasered my monitor.
I lost it at 2:02. Amazing.
Lol and way it reappears in the forest again like that again 😂😂😂
Your editing and humor is *chef’s kiss*
It'd be cool and original for Blizzard to give the Emperor say like 20 sons or so, and each son gets to command their own army of sons. Then idk, like half of the sons or so turn to the void and the Emperor gets mortally wounded by his favorite son and gets stuck on the throne or something? Then without his leadership everyone starts to become really racist and zealous and slay anyone who doesn't believe in the light or look like them? Just spitting some random original ideas
I like to think that since the Emperor is so mysterious, there might be some fishy things going on, i theorise from the experience of various other games and writings that its possible that the Emperor may be the original Thoradinn himself or some other original member of the empire, but resurrected as a light undead. Or maybe something that could be closely related to a Light Lich King
This whole void/light thing is gonna have a very boring conclusion because wow can't design for player agency since it's an mmo, would've been fun in a single player rpg though.
or a rts...
What it they make it the new factions?
@@Dicka899 they should have made that years ago, right after WOTLK/Legion. If not a third, a non aligned/mercenary faction (like the tavern heroes in WC3) Forsaken, Night elves, Blood elves, goblins, pandas, and other ton of furry races fit better as neutral or independent factions
@@oscara1573 too complicated they already tried it in wow alpha
the fkin thumbnail is killing me STOP! LOL and i am calling it now, that Beledar IS naaru it has the markings, it acts like Mu'uru did in the sunwell, IT HAS to be Naaru i mean look at the netherlight priest class hall too! IT'S GOTTA BE NAARU MAN!
Reminds me more of the ohg crystal in nagrand, in both versions of draenor.
@@netherialdreyrimani Oshu'gun OH YEAH
-What is the Black Blood
Its Old God blood.
-When does the end of the raid even take place?
Before the campaign end cinematic. Blizzard admitted they fucked up with how they did that.
-Why does Ascension make Nerubians appear more humanoid?
Likely has something to do with the Curse of Flesh; IIRC, Nerubians operate more as a hivemind instead of individuals (correct me if I'm wrong). Making one more of an individual through evolution and giving it more free will can lead to easier domination over them, since you're not having to dominate the *entire* hivemind.
it's Yshaarj's blood cause he was the one who was planted the deepest, and why when Aman'thul ripped em' out it was so damaging
Nerubians, like all Aqir-descended races, literally came from the Old Gods though. There is no "curse of flesh" for them, because they are already creatures that are naturally Old God/Void-aligned.
We've even seen ascension turn some of them into more horrific forms, it's just that the typical ascended foot soldier looks more humanoid for some reason.
I really don't know why they look more humanoid, when if anything it should've made them a bit more eldritch or something.
@@borga6566 Ah, thanks for the correction. Honestly, it'll probably never get explained, or we could find out later in the expansion (seeing as how the Black Blood is sitting right beside the assumed roots of that ancient world tree; if the Well of Eternity can turn trolls into elves, life/arcane infuse Old God blood would very likely do some bonkers ass stuff).
@@Dimumouto Tbh, I think it might just be an artistic choice. If they were to explain it though, perhaps it could be Xal'atath simply wanting them to be more efficient or something. They somewhat chose those forms specifically, rather than it randomly making them more humanoid.
@borga6566 Actually, that makes a good point, since Xalatath has watched mortals wage war for ages; maybe the more humanoid forms are an extension of that. Fight fire with fire, just more spider-y.
I swear that fucking green dragon got me so hard with laughter that I fell down to the floor and I woobled around like an epileptic murloc
I'm really hoping for a arathi light fanatic raid, we never got a scarlet crusade raid we need this. I'm just assuming the full empire shows up at some point and is full on fanatical. Would fit in in a season where they remaster the scarlet monastery for m+ too
Between the Earthen always wondering where the Titans went, and the Arathi talking about "The Empire" back home, I'm wondering when the hell someone is just gonna tell these people what's going on
Golden Throne indeed. WoW just rips a lot of their lore from Warhammer, just do it harder!!
I recall that originally Blizzard wanted to make a Warhammer game, but couldn't get the IP. So they made Warcraft.
Ironically there is a golden throne in WoW but it's in Zandalar. Talanji sits on it
Though it's kinda unclear if the throne on top of the pyramid or the one inside it is the "real" one
@@pll3827 Incorrect, one person on the team wanted to make WC1 a WHFB game so sent out a request, but got vetoed by the rest of the team due to bad prior licensing expereinces (and GW themselves didnt even respond).
This is awesome. Thank you for the cool content!
Ive long given up on wow as a game and a story but PlatinumWoW is the channel that kept me somewhat interested. You are too good for this franchise man
Very well condensed video on all the lore that's available so far. I loved the comedic bits as well. It made it more enjoyable to watch. I've had similar questions regarding the Arathi and some concerns about their society, culture, faith, etc. And to hear that the Sacred Flame is both Light and Arcane is a very interesting fact I had no idea about. So thank you for this very detailed by also, as said, condensed video. Very informative for me as a WoW RPer!
Also, it sucks that the best music from the zone is located in * *checks note* * ...the farm area, Light's Blooming. Specifically, Arathor General H , A, B, and C.
That's were all the good stuff is!
I enjoy that "Fungal" music a lot, the very ominious tune...But as per usual with modern WoW tracks it's a great big mess of epic orchestral tunes that all blend together into an indistinguishable mass with very few stand-out tracks. Has been an issue since Legion or BfA, I believe.
@@HiddenEvilStudios Totally agree. I forgot about how the old WoW zones had great background music.
@@johnrea8173 It wasn't as grand, but it was more distinct.
The first 5 seconds in one of the songs remind me of a iconic classical one, but for the life of me cant remember which
I'm pretty sure Arathi Empire will be part of next expansion. Blizzard been wanting to have an alliance-looking villain for some time.
Wonderful video, by the way.
I don't get why everyone assumes that the Arathi Empire would be a villainous faction, they would make a perfect "good is not nice" allied faction
@@Kubapajonczek Light fanatics don't tend to be good.
@@silver4831 there's a difference between a devout worshipper and a fanatic, so far the arathi seem more like the former
@@silver4831 addition: besides, as I mentioned in the other comments, chances are we, the player characters, have done worse than they did, so all it takes is a little persuasion-and-trust-earning arc for blizz to let us ally with them
@@Kubapajonczek that doesn't mean Arathi won't be a playable race (for Alliance ONLY I hope). But I think part of them will still be a part of a villainous plot.
I kind of wish we got more intolerant, complex not nice factions in general. the story writing feels so sloppy because every faction feels so immediately kind and welcoming with no explanation. it should be the case that the earthen, arathi, and nerubians should be a sliding scale of neutral to unfriendly at first.
But how would you push the woke narrative that everyone is the same if you have races that are different?
Super new to your page, this is my first video of yours. Man, was that a good video! Really well put together, Intriguing, funny and super creative. Very well done! I look forward to another video, you earned that like and subscribe!
3:05 is actually perfect a pic for modern (souless) vs classic (soul) WoWo lmao
the idea of a lore hungry dwarf kicking down someone's door to ask them inane questions about their government's tax structure is not something I thought I'd need but I'm glad it's in my head now XD
suprising no mention of the giant flying octopus in hallowfall
That's the best green dragon flying animation I've ever seen.
3:50 way to remind me of the last time WoW was awesome.
SO TRUE
Your videos are getting better every day
The Emperor's Favorite flavor of Icecream is:
Mint Chip. The best flavor. Obviously.
Cave, NOW. NO TINDERBOX. DURING THE SHIFT!
This begs the question, do the arathi have mint chip ice cream on the Tuesday or the Friday
14:18 Well their continent is like the previously mentioned Avaloran. Not just because it's been name dropped, but its similarity to "Avalon" in Arthurian legend.
Beledar and the Arathi, imo is like Oshugun with the orcs. It's a draenei ship similar to the vindicar, exodar, genedar, xenedar. Just like the Vindicaar being powered by light and void in Legion and the quests we did for it. That's why Beledar shifts. Because when Sargeras stabbed azeroth he screwed up the balance of the engine inside. So now the ship draws its power between light and void. But the question is, how long has Beledar been there? Velen and the Draenei came to draenor only 200 yrs ago and came to azeroth much later. Was there another ship from Argus that crash landed on azeroth before them? And what happened to all the space goats on that ship?
Also, i liked your headcannon on the Linxes. That's something i never thought about with the high elves.
I think similar, but different. I think instead of it being a Draenei ship, it's actually a Light Prison. It's housing a Void Lord, or another similar big, Void presence that they couldn't destroy. They trapped it, and sent it to Azeroth for the Prime Worldsoul to act as a battery and keep it powered on. It was just when Sargeras stabbed the planet (along with thousands of years of going through massive damage) that Azeroth can't keep it powered like it used to. The prison is weakening, causing the crystal to shift to Void as the entity in it is trying to escape. When it shifts the Void, it's pretty much whatever is inside rattling the prison bars as they begin to weaken right before the lights come back on.
Nothing quite like doing an Aegis Wall with the boys
I used to be a bit iffy about the "Light undead"- thing, but after doing some transmog runs in the Sunwell raid during the pre- patch, I realized other cosmic powers than Death always could raise the dead. Necromancy was never exclusive to the Scourge or Maldraxxus. In the Sunwell raid, we see the Pit Lord Brutallus kill a blue dragon. After we kill Brutallus, his Felblood raises the dragon as a skeletal dragon named Felmyst. This was the first proof that Fel can raise the dead. Another example is Gul'dan raising Mannoroth in the Hellfire Citadel raid in MoP, and Lord Ravencrest and his army as undead in Legion.
In Warlords of Draenor, Ner'zul and the Shadowmoon Clan used the Void to raise their ancestors and fallen warriors as undead. While this was mostly a hint at Ner'zul becoming the first Lich King in the main timeline, it's still evidense that the Void too has this power. This could also be the reason Yogg- Saron- an Old God- was called the "God of Death". The Void Lords gave him the power of necromancy, and it was his influence that gave Galakrond his necromantic powers.
WoD also showed us even Life can raise undead. The Botani would sometimes use the raw, primal Life magic to raise orcs they killed as zombies.
The Light is just the latest addition to cosmic powers that can raise undead. We still haven't seen any elementals, Titanforged, or beings with arcane magic with this ability, though.
EDIT: Technically, we HAVE seen Titanforged raise the dead. Odyn made a deal with Mueh'zala, the original Loa of Death, to gaze into the Shadowlands. He saw the Kyrian, and was inspired to cheat the system, by creating the val'kyr, winged Titanforged with the ability to gather the souls of fallen vrykul, and raise them as the Valarjar in Odyn's servise. Basically the WoW version of the Einherjar from Norse mythology.
Arthas would later steal this idea from his vrykul allies in Northrend, and create his own val'kyr who used Scourge necromancy to raise fallen vrykul as zombies. The remaining nine would go on to serve Sylvanas, and bring her to the Jailer's side.
So ALL six powers have at least dabbled with necromancy to some extent. But we still haven't seen any elementals, or Azeroth herself do it.
Wasn't necromancy originally created by the Legion, though?
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Originally, yes. But since Shadowlands, it's been revealed necromancy (or the version we know best) originates from the Shadowlands, Maldraxxus to be precise. The Jailer stole the ideas of Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination from the Primus' head, had them forged, and gave them to the Nathrezim, who sold them to Kil'jaeden as their own creations. He placed Ner'zul's broken soul in the helmet, and the rest is history. As much as we want to forget about the Shadowlands, that's the lore Blizzard is going with (for now).
The Nathrezim who infiltrated the Legion continued to raise the dead in the Legion's service, and likely thought Gul'dan necromancy too. Though the way Felmyst was raised implies fel magic can do this on its own.
The point is, ALL six powers can raise the dead to some extent. Maldraxxus and the Scourge just happen to be the experts.
@@stormstrider1990 See, that's the thing, Blizzard retconned something that was simple to understand into "EVERYONE can do necromancy." .
@@stormstrider1990 "The Nathrezim who infiltrated the Legion"
Was this changed? I thought the Nathrezim convinced Sargeras to form the Burning Legion in the first place. They showed Sargeras how the demons couldn't be killed and his efforts were in vain, which drove him mad and started the Crusade.
Remember, back in TBC the retcons of wrath werent yet hit so necromancy was just a school of magic (and iirc the blue dragon, while killed by the charge as a NPC, still has dialogue, so it can be seen as her "dying" till the spill of corrupt blood from the pit lord empowers but corrupts her, same way it worked for orcs and draenei).
Back then Nerzhuls WC2 saga of gathering the artifacts, breaking through dimensions and using the power from them to craft the items that will make him the lich king (and his prison) wasnt concluded in WC3 with "he discovered necromancy" as a type of magic, but the ability to genuinely create the undead instead of puppet corpses (animated skeletons) or move and bind souls with demonic magic (human knight corpses with orc souls as pseudo-liches) which is what necromancy was till then.
"My Lord, this is getting out of hand. The dwarf is again harrassing the children, demanding information of the most common genus of crops we have back home".
I think the biggest culprit why we can't have factions that are similar to The Imperium of Man or villains like the Dark Eldar (As an example) is because many people within the company either have no idea how to write Dark Fantasy/Grimdark Fantasy or have an obsession with smoothing out any edge the story could have to make it appealing to people who don't like stories with real life problems/connotations (Likely a mix of both). Leading to this mess of conflicting ideas where some people want to return WoW to its dark fantasy roots, while others want more things like the Loam Niffen and Vulpera. And I think this conflict of ideas shows itself with how they treated Faerin. With her character in the trailer appearing more grizzled and fanatical to the point missing an arm and eye didn't stop her from her service, while her character in-game is more: "Sad backstory, but I believe in the power of friendship so Anduin can progress from his multi-expansion sadboy arc." It's complete tonal whiplash from how she looked and acted, same with the Earthen. They had a good start, only to be softened up and over-simplified upon release for whatever reason.
WoW has every advantage if they wanted to go back to dark fantasy, Wizards of the Coast and Games Workshop have proved this to be an extremely successful practice. WoW has good lore (Mostly), some of the best interpretations of fantasy races (Orcs, Trolls and Elves especially), and characters that could compete with the best of them if they only allowed them to progress in a way that is actually meaningful and interesting. And I'm not asking for complete Grimdark either, I miss the self-awareness and some of the genuinely funny & unserious moments from Cata and Wrath. But WoW now lacks that quality self-awareness and stopped having good jokes for a long time because they're terrified of having any kind of edge or grit to their writing.
I wish it was like 90% grimdark. As they once said “it’s not world of pillowcraft”.
they had their days of Racism and Edgy stories, but today's society hates that kind of thing and Blizzard as a company, has to appeal to as many gamers as they can. so while they're not gonna go full woke on us, they're not gonna get that EDGY anymore, so things like forced breeding (Alexstrasza) and so on, are big no-nos.
The Earthen arc really disappointed me, here you have this cool, half robotic race that lives strictly by their purpose, given to them by gods. If you were born to be a warrior, you are and you know it's your purpose. Or if you were born to be a craftsman, you knew immediately and honed your craft. But no, they get "awakened" and now they can be whatever they WANT to be!!! (Ignore the fact that they always wanted to be what they were made for). It's just so annoying, every race is exactly the same. The Undead aren't losing their humanity, the orcs are honorable but brutal, the elves aren't mysterious and wise, every race is just humans but with a different skin.
As with all WoW expansions, the fanfic writers will fix the stuff the real writing team couldn't get right
@@loganbennett2488 absolute L take, how bout you come be my RL slave? you can dress how i want, do as i say and it sounds like you'd be happy to do it. dont you see?? choosing someone's destiny for someone rather than let them choose is Slavery!
nice video. I haven't been able to play wow this expansion yet. but from what I've seen online, the game is moving in the right direction. it does make me happy
My dumbass me thought the hallowfaĺl crystal is the tip of saergeras' sword.
me too brother, me too.
Me too
yep..
Same I thought that’d be cool tbh
Same man
3:50 that cinematic was so good.
Is this a W40k reference?
Edit: I get the reference of the "sacrifice souls to the Emperor" (And I hope they are not less than 1000)
Thank you so much for this
I very much enjoy "The Unseeming" or whatever it was called thematically, but it's basically just watery Ny'alotha again. I doubt Blizzard will be able to do anything worthwhile with all those new hastily brought up story threads.
One thing to also highlight is how the Arathi also have a certain appreciation for "technology" as they are the first race to develop warships and certain prototypes of prosthetics.
Something that is normally closely linked to gnomes and goblins, something that arathis, until now, have not shown themselves to be familiar with.
Blizzard added a “we wuz Kangz” reference in WoW, amazing
10/10
Being racist openly like this is so cringe, same shit as calling every white person some name , they make new characters ,write them well not even bossing anyone around just talking normally to people and its NOT enough for you weirdos
Bliz needs to watch this and answer every single question you’ve presented!
14:53 ohhh so thats how u get all the lore info dor your vids? :D
Everything after the death of Arthas feels like a fever dream, seriously these expansions just show how little the writers care about the lore, plus the ever shrinking player base shows this quite well
Edit: also seriously lamplighters that’s the best they got?
Stop complaining, the lore was never great. It's a dnd homebrew game with plenty of tongue-in-cheek jokes. Get over yourself.
@ The difference was that the Lore beforehand you can either argue well against or brush off the minor inconsistencies, now it’s blatantly obvious that the writers don’t give a rats behind about the story anymore
I’m getting strong Warhammer 40k Vibes from this 🤣🤣
Thanks for this video. Having not paid attention at all during questing, I thought the weird thing in the sky was the tip of the sword.
Wasn't Warcraft born out of Warhammer, because they wanted to make a Warhammer game but that fell through?
That's starcraft. Zerg are Tyranids, Terrans are Space Marines, Protoss are Eldar. They even have Dark Protoss for Dark Eldar.
@@BlueProphet7 Yeah, but they can use "inspiration" from the same game to make many games.
It's both. Warhammer = warcraft and warhammer 40k = starcraft. @@BlueProphet7
@@BlueProphet7 Warcraft Orcs and Humans was originally an intended Warhammer Fantasy videogame.
The old WoW was heavily inspired by D&D. I know a lot of high fantasy franchises are, especially in the early 2000s, but classic WoW had a lot of D&D influence
I'm really enjoying this expansion. Made my rock person warrior. Running around doing things for fun. Good times.
Arathi allied race is about to take OVER Goldshire, Half Elves? Guarantee its top 5 played race.
I hate it cuz I would def make an Arathi Pally but then I don’t because I know they’ll be flooding the servers.
Ironically, I would claim that the ERP'ers would be less inclined to play Half-Elves.
There won’t be an allied race
@@Frankthegb They won't make sense being Horde.
100% agree with you about what you said. I have so many questions to the point of being affraid of the answers!
Add to the questions:
- Where and what was doing this damn Empire when Azeroth was dealing with the Cataclysm, the recent Burning Legion invasion or the events leading to Shadowlands?
And yeah. At least the lore is quite fun this extension.