EV FIRES | Firefighters Are STRUGGLING! (Urgent Changes Needed)
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- Опубліковано 31 бер 2024
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People should at least be given a chance to vote wether to implement a ban on ICE cars by 2035. Politicians do whatever they want is called dictatorship
No… it’s democracy
@@timsbird1971Please educate yourself on what democracy is.
That would be subjective to democracy actually existing, in which it doesn’t.
@@leehenry5764 I have. I know full well. We live in a representative democracy. Stop being so fallacious.
@@mikeb7050 oh don’t be daft.
Hi,
I worked for the fire service for 30 years and Lithium Iron batteries have been a known problem for years. They are un-safe and burn at 2500 degrees and will cause building collapse in carparks as it did at Luton irrelevant of the cause. Of course petrol and diesel cars catch fire but it is rarely the fuel and normally electrical. I would never buy one on safety alone.
Thanks for the comment mate. Good to have your input given your industry experience.
Luton wasn't an EV
Luton was not an EV of any kind according to the Fore Service. As you used to work for the Fire Service you'll accept they are the experts, of course. You seem totally ignorant of the risks.
@@sandersson2813 sadly the anti-EV folks are all "well that's what they want you to think" with an almost religious fervour!
Irrelevant. If any Lithium Ion batteries in any car nearby (and there quite simply must have been, given the number of cars that were ultimately burnt out) caught light then the same problem is there. The ignition source is actually not that important - if Li-ion battery cars (either full BEV or hybrid) then go up then you'll have that 2500 degree fire, which you can't put out.
You best watch yersel mate, won't be long until somebody reports you for hatey crimes against EVs 😮😅
badge of honour.
Humza is after me! 🤣
@@ScottishCarClan 😅
Now bear in mind that most EVs currently in use are pretty new, and that the market is being flooded with cheap Chinese imports with less rigorous construction standards, and you have a recipe for fires galore going forward.
Virtually none are happening.
Absolutely!!!
@@timsbird1971 when you don't record EV fires as EV fires, then yes, none are happening
Did you know that in China there are 8 EV fires every day. And now they want us to Chinese EVs
@@SuperBartet yeah - so you say. EVs, hybrids, BEV cars? What is it? What’s your source? Doubting you very much. And what is that per 100K EVs? And how many ICE fires?
Re-uploaded as my editing wasn’t on point tonight 😅 apologies!
Or your use of sources. You cherry picking was on point
News about the Gatwick Airport fire a few weeks back, started by a Tesla, disappeared from the controlled media PDQ!
Once the insurance companies get hold of this, EV insurance premiums will sore above their already high levels. That combined with the high cost of charging them, the lack of charging spaces at homes such as flats and those dwellings with no driveways will render EV's unaffordable for the majority of UK citizens.
Soar.
Why? The story refers to battery vehicles - the vast majority of these don't need insurance. The original article that the video maker is too scared to link even says BEV car fires are incredibly rare. As for the rest - these are well covered elsewhere and you're simply wrong.
In that case ICE will be even more uninsurable.
@@djgoode I wonder why when we just re-insured our two vehicles of roughly the same age, value and use the one that had a lower rate was the BEV and the one with the biggest rise was the ICE?
@@timsbird1971 it’s funny how many times I have been told that EVs are more to insure. Yet every time I have undertaken a direct issuance comparison the EV is cheaper. Even funnier is folk comparing say a Tesla to a 320d BMW and claiming the BMW is cheaper 🤦🏻♂️ Yes that 320d is cheaper than an M3 BMW so is it better than that too? Or for real hilarious results I looked at buying a RR Sport or Audi RS6 but ended u with a model S. the difference in insurance has stayed the same over the last 2 years well between the model S and RS6 the RR has gone from cheapest to most expensive by a good margin. Maybe because of all the fires and thefts.
There is a record it will be on the fire report if they choose not to distinguish between a ICE and an EV which should really be designated a HAZCHEM Incident that’s by design and does not represent an accurate statistic that is bad practice. By the way the Gatwick car park fire was started by a Tesla it also took another Tesla with it.
But, remember they are super rare. We are told that ICE fires are far more common. We must of course ignore that there are significantly more ICE than EV and that the majority of ICE fires are in older, poorly maintained cars and that aside from arson 100% are electrical in nature and neither petrol or diesel self combust, because acknowledging any of that would be inconvenient to the narrative and associated agenda.
Well said.
Ev fires are far less likely even with vehicle numbers adjusted for, plenty of data shows this. Hybrids are the most likely, then ice then evs.
@@iCozzh data please, you make the claim so show the data
Are you confident that EV fires are being recorded correctly?@@iCozzh
@@ScottishCarClan the data ive seen is from auto insurance companies from multiple countries worldwide, the fires are divided up into propulsion forms, ice, bevs and hybrids. No one cares when grandads pos pov spec astra goes up in smoke but everyones screaming from the rooftops when an ev goes up (mainly teslas) as theyre the apple of cars so its popular/cool to hate on.
Having requested information from the Cross Channel Ferries & the Chunnel about their procedures & protocols for extinguishing an EV battery fire, the silence has been deafening
Hi guys today the whole village of Queenzieburn has jist had power cut! One day after BAM SWITCHED ON THERE FAST CHARGER! love the channel!
I think we need to get proper statistics on this, and then decide what resource is required by the Fire service.
BTW, how's that RS.
Exactly… project aRSe update coming soon. Things are looking up 😅
@@ScottishCarClan can't wait 😄
I think every EV that goes 🔥 should be charged an environmental levy, who would you bill: the driver, the owner, the manufacturer or fleet operator?
The government.
I’m fine with that. Are you going to extend the same courtesy to ICE cars?
@@timsbird1971 it's the dangerous and damaging pollution from a chemical fire that's the issue, EV fire vastly more damaging to the environment than ICE fire. Facts don't have feelings, look at the facts
@@user-or4hs7xq9u the facts are that BEV fires are incredibly unlikely - even the Fire Chief in the story says so. If you add up all the ICE fires per 100K new fires you get a compound effect far worse than all of the BEV fires. The "non-clickbait" lies by video maker aren't facts. Also the storage yard fire he talks about was extinguished using regular equipment in under 2 hours if you read the story. But he says that can't be done. So either he's wrong or it wasn't a lion fire. Note I separate hybrids from BEV vehicles - hybrids should be banned and are dropping sales almost as fast as diesels!
@@user-or4hs7xq9u facts that if every ev caught fire after a number of years it would still be less polluting than ICE.
If you look at EV fires just about all of them involve NMC batteries, apart from some EV's which are also available with LFP so it is unclear.
IMO make sure you get an LFP battery in your EV if you want one. These batteries are now the standard in solar storage because of their superior safety and charging them to 100% does not cause faster degradation.
The extra range of NMC/NCA is simply not worth the risk of Cobalt poisoning and self-combustion.
The online EV database now allows you to filter the cathode material for LFP only so don't have to dig through brochures and spec sheets.
You can put an EV out with your EV fire engine
why is we not unlocking the benefit's of are brexit . now are brexit is did we can do basic engine's like what we had .
Can we try that again please, this time in English? 😂
@@JohnHughes2002 there just destroying chance's of are brexit ????
@@volvos60bloke 👍
But EVs are so kind to the environment, as Rishi and Sir Keir keep telling us. Sorry I forgot, they’re politicians!!!!!!
Something potentially so hazardous to health should be banned. Makes smoking cigarettes look tame!
Are you going around airports protesting for them to be closed?
Now as it is well known that lithium ion battery fires are actually so much more difficult to put out but are also proved to put out a great deal of toxic and explosive gases, materials ,and extreme heat and that heat can even be high enough to destroy reinforced concrete. To be a fire brigade person is to me at least a very dangerous and so undesirable occupation to be employed in. Furthermore it is also well known that the effects of exposure to those toxic gases and materials can be and are disabling at the very least and possibly fatal. This situation can be immediate or occur after days, weeks, months or even years after that exposure. I suspect that any such individual or their family suffering any disability or fatality would not be compensated by anyone who employs or supports those fire fighters. A sick situation in anyone's language!!
Welcome to the future 😂
No of course they don’t distinguish between fires - then they can blame them all on ice cars - just look at Gatwick. That was clearly a hybrid Range Rover Sport.
I think you mean Luton
@@ohyesitsme
Even then, not a hybrid!
🤣🤣@@DwaynePipes
The distinguishing side of extinguishing...
Hi, off topic question. I just test drove a V10 manual R8. When shifting gears, sometimes the shifter didn’t go from gear to gear smoothly? Is that OK? Also the door and hood hinges had grease on that was light orange, like rust. Is that OK? I also saw it on another V8 R8 with only 21k kms. If you could comment, I would really appretiate it. Thanks a lot. Hopefully a future R8 V10 manual driver.
Likely the gear linkages need adjusted. The grease is fine, most use clear.
@@ScottishCarClan thanks a lot. Fun twist: I’m buying the car with my Tesla stock gains 🤣🤣🤣
Where's your Rottie these days?❤
Some interesting statistics published by Honest John - The Latest Car Fire Statistics (uk car website)
Unless the numbers are made up, and it does not look like it, the chances of getting fried in an EV are way lower than an ICE vechicle
In the Risks section it says:
1. Electric vehicles are 20 times less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles.
2. 0.3% of battery electric vehicles are likely to catch fire.
3. Approximately 60% of EV fires are caused by the battery’s thermal runaway.
4. According to data published by the US Fire Administration, just one out of every 20 million Li-ion electric vehicle batteries carries the risk of thermal runaway.
Just wait until an EV goes into Plasma-cutter mode in the channel tunnel or on a ferry!
Firemen should have a say in what's allowed in the public domain based on the MSDS. Then again, they tried to take away all our bonfire nights and fireworks... So clearly we need to be balanced and sensible.
EV fires. Shhhhhhhhh.
Perhaps people should take a look at what professor paul christonson of newcastle university faraday institute goverment specialist in lithium battery storage watch his lecture if you dare?
Great content. Do recommend 👍🏼
So how many ev fires have there been in Scotland and let’s not count hybrids
Why not? It's the NMC batteries that go up in flames. These are also in e-bikes which tend to ignite quite a lot. (I will gladly wait for an LFP battery-bike).
@@SolAce-nw2hf because the simple fact is that everyone is ultra focused on ev’s , there are way more hybrid fires than ev fires but like I say ev fires are on the top of the list even when they are rare
@@stuartodell2828 So I would say we should count hybrids and plugin hybrids and distinguish between battery chemistries. That way it should become clear if the problem is similar can be dealt with in all variants by doing a recall for an NMC to LFP upgrade.
I don't think EV's are more dangerous, but we should not ignore the problems that do occur. These are almost always young vehicles as they have not been around very long.
Most ICE fires come with age and lack of proper servicing, so let's try to prevent this with battery enabled/powered vehicles that don't just stop with a bucket of water.
@@SolAce-nw2hf I totally get that there are ev fires but the figures get wildly exaggerated as with the Luton airport fire when everyone was almost begging it be an ev when it clearly wasn’t.
@@stuartodell2828 I saw the footage. That was not a diesel fire, nor a petrol one. It was clearly the NMC battery of a plugin hybrid, no matter how inconvenient this truth really is. There seems to be some kind of cover up going on. Maybe an influential wealthy person pulling the right strings.
The common sense
solution would be to
ban all types of lithium
ion batteries worldwide,
more than enough property
damage has already been
done to justify a total ban.
Let's also not forget a lot of recovery vehicles will be overweight if they put a larger EV on.
Such as?
and the fact that some recovery drivers won,t take ev,s incase they catch fire after accident on there vehicle
The fact that you have had to go back over a month for one fire shows you how common they are. And that wasn’t even a car fire it was a breakers yard fire that’s still under investigation.
🤣🤣
@@bobstirling6885 it is laughable, isn't it. The lengths people have to go to, stretching the truth, in order to get over the fear of the unknown
@@timsbird1971 it's laughable the length you go to trying to defend your precious EVs...
evs are the next diesel disaster wait for the adverts “ did you own an ev between such and such did it burn down your house ?phone such an such if your still alive”
Not all fires involving ev cares are caused by them but they certainly cause massive trouble. Luton was started by an ICE car but was hugely accelerated by some.
Already wary about parking about anywhere near one now.
Great video buddy
The Luton fire couldnt have been caused by anything apart from a Lithium battery problem.
She ME the science that tells us a Diesel with Electrical faults could have caused this?
Do actual events count as science?
"Vehicle owners and fire departments across the country are asking BMW to explain how some parked cars could suddenly burst into flames.
An ABC News investigation airing today on Good Morning America, World News Tonight with David Muir and Nightline discovered dozens of incidents in which the luxury cars caught fire even though owners reported they had parked their cars and turned them off."
@@gj91471
@@DavyADAS
Have you seen a diagram of a 2014 Sport MHEV?
They are available online .
The fire burnt through the concrete........
@@gj91471 precisely, especially when you see they type of fire in the video footage...
Every society lives by rules.
Rule number one:
DO NOT BUY AN EV !!!
Hit the bandwagon in the first sentence “Clickbait” get back to what you know buying older cars and fixing them.
Totally - you just know a video that starts "This isn't clickbait" is simply going to be clickbait.
@@timsbird1971 unfortunately Scottish Car Clan has sold their soul like Geoff Buys Cars, MacMaster and MGuy
@@djgoode Looks like it - they will be all over EVs once the money goes that way...
@@timsbird1971 or see how they have come along. I fortunately or unfortunately wasn’t as publicly shouty about being anti EV etc back in the day. Absolutely hated Prius and yet while looking for an RS6 found a comparison review or something along those lines. Bought a model s that’s slightly faster, ligher and was the same price new. A UA-camer bought an RS6 at a similar time and has spent something like 10k without fuel just running the damn thing, for my mileage that I have done I worked out another 7k in fuel so that’s a saving in a year of wait a new battery lol. I have spent considerably less and done twice the miles he did.
@@djgoode we've been driving EV for over a decade and all the arguments are getting smaller and smaller each year. I see no reason, except for about 20% of people, that having an EV isn't the best idea. Those 20 generally rent and generally have no parking.
EV fires are far less often than ice let alone hybrids.
nonsense
@@HappyBaggergo look up auto insurance statistics. They break down the numbers of fires per propulsion form.
@@iCozzh As I just said to some other idiot, you're literally commenting on a vid about how EV fires are not mentioned or recorded, likely deliberately. Special much?
@@iCozzh That is what I did. Maybe these things are true in countries where you do not have a MOT, so you have cars from 1970ies running around with leaking fuel. In sweden most common fire in ice cars are either fraud, or electrical wiring. That a car will catch fire cause of petrol is very unlikely.
@@AndrewTSq well the figures in the UK show 6 time more ICE fires than BEV car fires - even the article by the fire chief quoted in the video says exactly that.
Soon, you will have ev firetrucks😅
Well we have the ambulances why not the insanity of electric trucks 😅
Golf gti or focus rs
@@rydershortboardmcleod come on now… RS all day long.
@@ScottishCarClan lol - OH left a focus RS standing..... in our Leaf...
@@timsbird1971 behave yourself Tim. Did the RS have an engine 😂
I love the way you miss the bits from the interview where he stresses that EV fires are very rare. And I love the bit where he is talking about Lion batteries in general and you equate hat to EV batteries. I also like you ignored that there were 59 battery vehicle fires in 2022-23 - and this includes all electric vehicles not just cars and the figures not recorded are the type of vehicle. Oh no - no click bait, cherry picking of lies here. I see you don’t even cite the source so people can look this stuff up for themselves.
When is this myth going to stop? EV's statistically do not go on fire any more than any other type of car.
Link to these stats?
@@amcluesent They're easy to find, just go and Google it.
Didn't you know you can't post links in UA-cam without them removing them?
Hybrids are by far and away the most likely to catch fire.
@@amcluesent You can't out links on UA-cam. Just do some basic research.
That would depend on the statistics being correctly correlated....
BEV far less than ICE.
Can.u.see.1.catchin.fire.in.a.muli.story.car.park