Bordeaux Wine Basics: First Growth Wines

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  • @isobrontchoa5111
    @isobrontchoa5111 2 роки тому +4

    I just started getting to know wines from zero. And out of all the videos, urs is the best. Very informative and without treating viewer as a “dummy” yet easy enough to understand. U curate the information very well and your voice and face is so soothing.

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому

      isobront: thank you so much for viewing my video and your kind comment. It is really gratifying that you enjoy my videos. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

  • @grigorhaig
    @grigorhaig 2 роки тому +4

    Excellent explanation.
    What an amazing and extensive experience you have with the Premiers Grand Cru Classé en 1855! I’m learning a lot…
    Thank you!

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому +1

      grigorhaig: thank you for your continued support and glad you are enjoying my videos. Please check out my video on the 2nd and 3rd growth wines. Cheers!

  • @wyattalexander4041
    @wyattalexander4041 3 роки тому +4

    This was really well done the stories to little facts are enjoyable and seeing how you personally identify with each Château and their vintages was great !

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  3 роки тому +2

      Thx Wyatt for your continued support and comments. A little boring since they are all so good. More interesting when I get to the other growths and explore their current state. Cheers!

    • @wyattalexander4041
      @wyattalexander4041 3 роки тому +1

      @@TrophyWineHunter haha can’t disagree with that looking forward to it !

  • @neilvance9907
    @neilvance9907 2 роки тому +2

    I have a 2000 Mouton Rothschild I’ve been sitting on for years among others.Beautiful.

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому

      Neil: thank you for viewing my channel and your comment. The 2000 Mouton is sometimes written off by wine experts because of the special label but it actually a very good wine. Very soft and expressive. You can hold on to it for many more years but it is delicious now

  • @augustbromley5132
    @augustbromley5132 3 роки тому +1

    Not sure what happened to my live comments but I can now see you will be showing us your wine cellar, thanks!

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  3 роки тому +1

      Hey August: thanks for viewing. I think the live comments won't be kept as I don't livestream the videos, I only premiere them. I hope you are not disappointed with my wine cellar video but I tried to add some commentary that will be food for thought. Cheers!

  • @philipmarais
    @philipmarais 2 роки тому +1

    This is a great channel. I am so happy I have found it. You have a really relatable way of discussing and delivering information about wine and your experience with the wine. Thanks for taking the time! I am not sure if you share your notes on the past wines anywhere for access/purchase? I would be very interested to see your notes on some of the wines, especially the second and third growth from your other videos.

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому +1

      Philip: thank you for viewing this video and your kind comments. I post my notes from the last year or so on Vivino under Trophy Wine Hunter so you can follow me there. Most of my notes are scattered in various booklets. I do have pretty extensive notes on the First Growths I drink but those are personal. However, if there is a particular wine/vintage you are interested, I can check my notes and happy to share them if I have any. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

    • @philipmarais
      @philipmarais 2 роки тому

      @@TrophyWineHunter Excellent, thank you. I will follow you on vivino also.
      I am only just getting into the second growths and third growths, as some of these become available on auction for really decent prices from estate sales.
      I don't think my pallet is quite mature enough yet to appreciate the nuances of the first growths as you have articulated in your videos. I am still trying to build a framework to understand what I am experiencing.
      You video on second growths is also really good. I am re-watching it now.

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому +1

      @@philipmarais try my other video on 4th growth wines also. I will be doing my tasting of Beychevelle (which viewers chose) and my video on the 5th growths in the next few months. Cheers!

  • @Thesilverthunder777
    @Thesilverthunder777 Рік тому

    Really appreciate your insight. thx.

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  Рік тому

      Thanks for viewing my video and taking time to leave a comment. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

  • @ModularLanding
    @ModularLanding 2 роки тому

    Fabulous and informative video! I haven’t ever been able to try any of these, but I am starting to explore 2nd through 5 growths and it has been a great experience. I will need to make more friends so that like you I can try more of these wines!

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому

      Modular Landing: yes, well heeled and generous friends help but I find at every level, you find people who are generous and want to share their wines wine you. Look out for my other videos in this series for more affordable options. Cheers!

  • @breethewithme
    @breethewithme 3 роки тому +2

    Great video!

  • @joeydecarlo2532
    @joeydecarlo2532 Рік тому

    You must do well for yourself to be able to drink so many wines like these! Good for you. I hope to try a first growth one day in my life haha.

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  Рік тому +1

      joey: I feel pretty blessed with my life and I have a lot of generous friends/clients who share their wines with me.
      Don't worry....it will happen for sure. Whether you buy it yourself or run into someone who serves it to you, it will happen. If you asked me 25 years ago when I started drinking whether I would have the opportunity to drink these wines on a fairly consistent basis I would have told you that you are crazy!
      Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

    • @joeydecarlo2532
      @joeydecarlo2532 Рік тому

      @@TrophyWineHunter thank you for the thoughtful reply! I am subscribed, just stumbled on your channel a couple days ago and really enjoy the detail. Watching all the Bordeaux videos, great stuff.
      I've been slowly buying Bordeaux (and other wines) to collect and age. Now my only challenge is that it's so hard to find any Bordeaux that is already aged, unless it's marked way up, so I still haven't drank that much Bordeaux! I know the collecting will pay off at some point though.

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  Рік тому

      @@joeydecarlo2532 I do recommend that at least for affordable stuff you do drink a bottle early so in 10 years when you drink it and like it, you will know what it tasted like when it was young. All the critics are doing the same thing...extrapolating based on their past experience of what the wine tasted like young.
      You can get older vintages at auction, especially in the US. I will probably do a video on how to buy at wine auctions in the future. Cheers!

  • @HimanshuJeetah
    @HimanshuJeetah 3 роки тому

    Good selection .. Looking forward to opening a 2016 Chateau Margaux soon

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  3 роки тому +1

      Himanshu: thanks for your continued support. 2016 is lovely vintage but you will probably waiting another 10 years for it to hit its drinking window. Cheers!

  • @benoitribaille2777
    @benoitribaille2777 2 роки тому

    Pricewise, true that 1st growth wines are more expensive. Qualitywise, we can keep in minds that some second growth wines have already been awarded RP 98 to 100 points in some vintages(cos, pichon contesse, beaucaillou, lascase) so in some occasions we could expect top wine (comparable to first growth in blind tasting?) from second growth.

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому

      benoit: just my personal opinion but I think there is quite a quality difference between 1st and 2nd growths. You can't tell by just one instance in time but you have to look at the body of work over 100 years. Really good test is take a vintage like 2011. Would the quality of the 2nd growths be close to the quality of the 1st growths? Also, look at the wines 30 years out. How much confidence woudl you have a 2nd growth is still drinking well compared to 1st growth.
      With wine, even though 2 wines are rated 98 points, they could be very different wines and would suit very different palates. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

  • @exploreearth6275
    @exploreearth6275 3 роки тому +1

    Nice video
    Well done

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  3 роки тому +1

      Explore Earth: thanks so much for viewing my video and your kind comments!

  • @thomasschellberg8213
    @thomasschellberg8213 2 місяці тому

    You have the fortune to have tasted more of the top Bordeaux than most of us. Do some of the super seconds, such as Leoville Las Cases,, Palmer, Ducru Beaucaillou, or Cos d Estournel deserve to be elevated to 1st growth?

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 місяці тому

      thomas: in my humble opinion, no. I think I talked about this in either my 2nd growth video or I did a video on Super Seconds. In my opinion, there is a huge difference between the 1st growths and 1st growth equivalents on the Right Bank and 2nd growths. The 1st growths have their own meeting group where their share information which keeps them at the top. Maybe in a given year, a 2nd growth will compare with a first growth but if you take a sample of 10 years, it is quite a different level.
      Probably the closest to 1st growth level is Leoville Las Cases and perhaps Palmer. Cheers!

  • @B.H90
    @B.H90 2 роки тому

    Very informative. Thank you for sharing! Wondering how much the year 2000 vintage of mouton or Lafite cost back in that time?

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому +2

      Ben H: Thank you for your support and kind comment. I just checked (as I have the old catalogues from BC Liquor stores) and when they were released in 2002, it was $650 + tax a bottle either Lafite or Mouton. You would have easily doubled your money by now. Hindsight is so brutal! Please like, subscribe and keep watching! Cheers!

    • @B.H90
      @B.H90 2 роки тому

      @@TrophyWineHunter, the price was about USD 500 20 years ago? Well, only if we can turn the time around? ..LOL ! thanks again for sharing!

  • @robertmeyer1552
    @robertmeyer1552 2 роки тому

    Great video! What do you think the condition of a 1935 Chateau Margaux would be? I assume in decline. However it has been stored in a cedar box all its life and the label is in new condition. Just never know!

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому +1

      Robert: nice to hear from you! I would open it...never know as label and box is superficial...need to know if it was stored in correct temperature. Only one way to find out! Cheers!

    • @robertmeyer1552
      @robertmeyer1552 2 роки тому

      @@TrophyWineHunter I'll keep you in the loop!! Thanks again :)

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому

      @@robertmeyer1552 cheers!

  • @marjbaillie9474
    @marjbaillie9474 2 роки тому +1

    Was gifted a bottle of 1998 les forts de latour red Bordeaux... gifter said value was $1,200. That was a time ago. Has the value increased with time? Was this an accurate value?

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому

      marj: thank you for viewing my video and your question. Somehow I missed this comment so I am only responding now.
      I would question the $1200 value of Les Forts de Latour..maybe $600 or $700 retail. Also a lot depends on the storage so I wouldn't get too caught up in the value and anything that is aged without correct storage and provenance has no market value. My advice is just open it and enjoy. Cheers!

  • @tunwin5305
    @tunwin5305 2 роки тому

    I drank Chateau Mouton 2000. Me and my friend finished it over dinner. It was delicious. I have 2009 and 2015 also. Why is vintage 2000 so expensive?

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому

      tun win: the label..Gold embossed and etched. Just like 2018 or 2008 Lafite, it really plays with the Asian market. I agree there are better vintages of Mouton but 2000 is quite exceptional and then the etched label puts it over the top.
      The price of high end wines is determined by the auction market, not really the consumer market since all of it is sold out and much of it is never drank. So you have to look at it from a collector's perspective....if I am not drinking the wine, I just want to get the best looking bottle and it really doesn't matter what it tastes like, it will still have value. Bonus that 2000 was such a great vintage.
      Keep the bottle. You don't see many 2000s around and our fortunate (or crazy) to drink it.
      Cheers!

    • @tunwin5305
      @tunwin5305 2 роки тому

      @@TrophyWineHunter I already drank mine. I only have empty bottle left for display. I’m following you on Instagram now :)) cheers!

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому

      @@tunwin5305 thanks for your support. Yes, wish I had bought more 2000 Mouton. After market now, it is crazy expensive! Cheers!

  • @dormmma2619
    @dormmma2619 2 роки тому

    Would you rather a good younger vintage or a older ok to bad vintage for now

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому

      dorm mma: thank you for viewing my video and your question. For drinking now, I would rather have a older OK to bad vintage. Reason is since around 2000, with modern innovation, there are no really "bad" vintages any more. If you go back older, even in a bad vintage, I would love to try older wines and the excitement outweighs any risk (assuming you could guarantee the storage of the bottle is good). For collecting/long term, I would take the good younger vintage.
      Thanks for the question....I can make this into a topic of an upcoming video...just talking about vintages and the important (or lack of importance) of certain factors in buying a wine.
      Please keep watching! Cheers!

  • @chrisginoc
    @chrisginoc 3 роки тому +1

    What are your thoughts on Chateau Labegorce Margaux? I'm looking for cheaper/more affordable bordeauxs.

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  3 роки тому +2

      Chris: thx for viewing my site. Labegorce is traditionally very well situated. However, it is has gone through a lot of ownership changes of much of its historically best vineyards have been purchased by Chateau Margaux. I like the upside of the Margaux region and this is a decent wine. In Margaux, I really like Marojallia. Also check out my video on Chateau de Villambis, a well priced Bourgeois level Bordeaux wine. See my video to be released September 25, which goes over some of the more affordable Bordeaux wines I recommend. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

    • @chrisginoc
      @chrisginoc 3 роки тому +1

      @@TrophyWineHunter Would you consider Chateau Giscours Margaux or Chateau Prieure Lichine good quality well priced wines?

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  3 роки тому

      @@chrisginoc Please see my video on Part 1 Bordeaux Release where I go through some of the growth wines. I like Giscours and I really like Marquis D'Alesme Becker if you can find it. Obscure but that is what makes it a good value. Prieure Lichine is better known and has its fans but hasn't done any new upgrades in the last decade to give any indication of an upswing in quality. My personal thoughts only. Cheers!

    • @chrisginoc
      @chrisginoc 3 роки тому

      @@TrophyWineHunter Found both the 2015 and 2016 Chateau Marquis D'Alesme online. Ordering now based on your recommendation. If you had to pick 2015 or 2016 which one would you recommend?

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  3 роки тому

      @@chrisginoc what price did you get them at? Both are great vintages. 2015 a bit stronger so if you want to drink earlier and like a lighter style of Bordeaux go with the 2016. If there is a big price difference go with the way cheaper one as there is not a lot of difference in quality of the 2 vintages. Cheers!

  • @sanjaypatelmd4669
    @sanjaypatelmd4669 2 роки тому

    We visited Four of the five first growth wineries….I had great experiences at 3/4 wineries…Chateau Margaux was the worst experience…..

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому +1

      Sanjay: do tell...did you arrange yourself or through an agent? Private or with group? We were hosted and we were at Mouton, Lafite and Margaux. Margaux rolled out the red carpet, Mouton was great to us and we thought Lafite was most disappointing. We were with a group of big buyers and every other winery had a senior winemaker or management out to greet us. At Lafite we just got their normal tour and we were served just one wine (2004)..I know...first world problems. Looking forward to more info. Cheers!

    • @sanjaypatelmd4669
      @sanjaypatelmd4669 2 роки тому

      @@TrophyWineHunter I am a big buyer at bounty hunter red wine and spirits in Napa and their negotian friend arranged this for us…every chateau gave us red car[et treatment other then Chateau Margaux…they even refused to give us wine for second visit….I will never go back or never buy their wines

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому

      @@sanjaypatelmd4669 wow...brutal.

  • @RMD992-f2n
    @RMD992-f2n 2 роки тому

    would these first growth wines even win in a blind tasting with top wines from other regions in the world? i doubt it. its all hype and prices have only risen by speculators/investors because of the name and prestige.

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому +2

      Joe: thank you for watching my video and your comments. Respectfully, I would disagree. I think on a blind tasting of wines are their peak, the first growths would do pretty well. Investors are not misinformed so if it was just about money, prices for Lafite, Latour would not be consistent over 150 years. Price is based on demand, which is mostly based on quality. Perhaps this is not the stereotype but most high end investors and collectors take the tasting/quality of wines pretty seriously as we are not talking about preference but long term value. Normally, these people have extensive experience with tasting high end wines, multiple times and multiple vintages.
      Blind tastings are tricky as hard to be fair. For instance, you can't put a 2018 Lafite against any current Napa wine or even Australian wines as they drink softer in youth. Likewise, unfair to put a 1982 Lafite against Australian wine (other than Grange and perhaps Hills of Grace) as most Australian wines are not build to age for 30 years and beyond. So it does go down to personal preference but to think 1st growths are all hype and marketing would be, in my opinion, a huge exaggeration of the truth. I think any person with a bit of knowledge of wine can set up a blind tasting to favor the wine they want.
      While each person has their own view of what is wine is worth, I can tell you from personal experience that I really enjoy First Growth wines and they do age really well. Whether they are overpriced is really a matter of opinion and what you value.
      Sorry for being so long winded but I wanted to provide an alternate point of view based on my personal experience. Again, you could say I am bias as I do prefer Bordeaux and I do like Trophy Wines. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

    • @RMD992-f2n
      @RMD992-f2n 2 роки тому

      @@TrophyWineHunter thank you for the thorough response I really appreciate your perspective and agree with all your points!

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  2 роки тому

      @@RMD992-f2n cheers...keep watching!

  • @andrewleung9661
    @andrewleung9661 3 роки тому

    How many vintages have you already drunken with me ?

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  3 роки тому

      Andrew:Thx for viewing my channel! Probably 90% with you, my friend! Hope you are keeping well and hope to benefit from many more years of your generosity! How you liking my format..much improved, right?

  • @DH-zd3de
    @DH-zd3de 10 місяців тому

    The 5 arrows represents the 5 sons of Mayer Amschel . But u know this already. ❤

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  10 місяців тому

      DH: I thought it represented the 5 families so I guess we are talking about the same thing? Cheers!

  • @saleen12
    @saleen12 3 роки тому

    So when you get first growths are you paying 1k for each or are there tricks to get them at a reasonable price?

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  3 роки тому

      Cam: Thanks for viewing my video and your comments. I have lots of generous friends and I buy when I can find a good price and store. With inflation, you have to know that the prices of First Growths will only to continue to go up. So 1K now may seem expensive but in 10 years, it may not be that unreasonable. You can also buy at auction and also sometimes get a deal at silent auctions at fundraising galas.

  • @brycecasper7896
    @brycecasper7896 5 місяців тому

    Great video!

    • @TrophyWineHunter
      @TrophyWineHunter  5 місяців тому

      thanks so much! Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!