Having traveled in Bordeaux in addition to being an aficionado of French wine for many years, I can vouch for this presentation as an excellent primer regarding the so-called “second growths” of Bordeaux
Brilliant explanation! Thanks a lot for your detailed analyses of these Super Second Growth Bordeaux wines and the terrific wine producers. Great video yet again. I’m really enjoying your helpful videos-my favorite channel and wine UA-camr. 💫 Looking forward to many more! Cheers John!
This is an educational video, John! I enjoyed learning more about Super Second Growth Bordeaux plus each of the 10 Bordeaux wine producers and insights on your favorite vintages. Must have been such an incredible drinking experience! Nice topic, enjoyed this discussion. Thanks for expanded my wine knowledge! Cheers John!
I’m interested to learn more about the Super Second Growth Bordeaux. I’m saving this video to watch later. Thank you for sharing your wealth of wine knowledge with us. Salut, John!!
@@sanjaypatelmd4669 Thanks! Appreciate the tip. I'll have to see if I can track it down. 2018 was a stellar vintage in Bordeaux so lots of excellent wine that year.
Hi Attorney Somm, I have almost all the super seconds you mentioned from 05', 09, and 10 in my cellar. Believe it or not I haven't opened a single one, nor have I had the pleasure/privilege of tasting any 2nd growth Bordeaux yet. I've only been collecting wines since about 2009 so I suppose I'm in for a real treat one of these years!
Thanks! Yes, sounds like you have an excellent collection started. It is not too early to try one of the 2009s. That is an early drinking vintage whereas 05 and 10 are much more structured. So the first time you try one, I would suggest an 09. Cheers!
Great video as usual, Mr Somm! A question, have you drank the Bordeaux "Chateau Recougne"? For someone who drinks wine $40ish and under, it's been one of my favorites so far.
On second growths, La Mission Haut-Brion is almost as much as the first growths (average on Wine Searcher for 2020 is $386) whereas Leoville Barton is closer to $100. This video is only about the “super seconds” though, not just second growths generally. That is why Palmer is included and Barton is not.
On the right bank, assuming Cheval Blanc, Ausone, Angelus, Pavie, Petrus and Le Pin are equivalent of first growths . Then the super seconds would be Figeac, VCC and La Conseillante.
It is certainly one of my favorites, but historically perhaps a step behind some of these others! I did a separate video on all three Leovilles if you want to hear my thoughts re: that outstanding producer. Cheers!
I find that many Super 2nds try to mimic Pauillac, instead of their specific area. That's why everybody wants them. If you include Pontet Canet(5th), why not Lynch Bages(5th)?
Thank you very much for this very nice and learnful video!:-) But - I have some objections! The Château Montrose imho never gets ripe - it's always impressive, but never ripe! I have the same problem with Château Latour - always impressive, but never ripe! I had once a huge vertical of Château Latour going back even further than 1945, but these wines get never ripe! The bottles were in good shape, a very good friend that I know since 40 years organized that tasting. The best vintage was 1958 btw. My conclusion is that I will never buy Château Montrose anymore and never buy Château Latour anymore. But I like Château Léoville Las Cases and Château Palmer.
Thanks very much for weighing in and sharing your experience. That must have been an incredible Latour tasting! I do think the Montrose style has changed a bit more recently (eg, 2015) but agree the older vintages were more challenging. I’m a big fan of LLC and Palmer as well. Cheers!
It is my understanding that all of the second growth wines have held the same status since 1855, with the exception of Mouton Rothschild being promoted to first growth in 1973
They are some of the top wines in the world. I have many other videos where I recommend wines at lower price points (e.g., $15, $20, $25, $30, $40, $50, etc.), including some excellent Bordeaux.
Perhaps talking to the camera rather than reading a script to the camera will come off more natural. As it is, the unnatural pace, your eyes looking slightly to the side, and the frequent edit cuts made the viewing experience displeasing. Kind of like an old Cal Worthington advert.
Thank you for watching and your feedback. I do all the work on my channel personally. Editing has been something I have had to learn from scratch. I understand there is room for improvement. The edits are to remove the space between sentences as YT gurus advise to eliminate those. Some advise that they like that; others do not. Also, I am not reading. My notes are below and I do not look down.
Also, I know of a talented, intelligent Master of Wine student who published outstanding UA-cam videos about wine who basically quit publishing here because he did not appreciate comments like this one about his pronunciation. You might try being more constructive in the future. Also, I do spend time working on pronunciation before each video but overlooked this estate. Thanks for watching.
@@AttorneySomm Your videos are interesting and informative and that's why I watch them. Thanks for making them. I appreciate it. With that being said, If I notice something or think something is noteworthy, I'll make a comment on it for whomever may find it interesting. If you don't like it you can ignore it, or call it out for being false. What you can't do is dictate what gets commented on and how its done. That's up to UA-cam and its ToS. Or, you can close the entire comment section if you don't think you can handle it. You may think my comment wasn't "constructive", but at least now you and your viewers know. I like to believe you're not that fragile that this will stop you from producing new vids.
@@hottuna2006 Fair enough. Correct, I certainly understand there is room for improvement and do appreciate suggestions in that regard. Thanks very much for watching and taking the time to provide feedback.
Hotnub: Manners will never be laid out in a ToS, and especially when you remain anonymous it's particularly idiotic to dictate who is supposed to handle what who actually put themselves out there with something.
Having traveled in Bordeaux in addition to being an aficionado of French wine for many years, I can vouch for this presentation as an excellent primer regarding the so-called “second growths” of Bordeaux
Thanks very much! Appreciate the kind feedback. 👍🍷
Thank you. You filled in a lot of info that is not readily available. Brilliant.
Very glad it was useful! Thank you! 👍🍷
Fantastic video as usual.. thank you so much for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you kindly! Cheers!
Brilliant explanation! Thanks a lot for your detailed analyses of these Super Second Growth Bordeaux wines and the terrific wine producers. Great video yet again. I’m really enjoying your helpful videos-my favorite channel and wine UA-camr. 💫 Looking forward to many more! Cheers John!
So pleased you enjoyed the video! Truly appreciate the support and the kind feedback. Hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend! Cheers!
@@AttorneySomm Thank you, John! I wish you the same!
This is an educational video, John! I enjoyed learning more about Super Second Growth Bordeaux plus each of the 10 Bordeaux wine producers and insights on your favorite vintages. Must have been such an incredible drinking experience! Nice topic, enjoyed this discussion. Thanks for expanded my wine knowledge! Cheers John!
My pleasure, Joy! Very pleased you enjoyed it. These are definitely some of my favorite producers! Cheers!
I’m interested to learn more about the Super Second Growth Bordeaux. I’m saving this video to watch later. Thank you for sharing your wealth of wine knowledge with us. Salut, John!!
Thanks very much, Gina! Definitely one of my favorite categories! Hope you enjoy your day and the video! Cheers!
All wines you mentioned are my favorites! Great educational video!
Thank you kindly! Cheers!
Excellent analysis and I do agree with your choice of Bordeaux Super Seconds - I have examples of most of these wines in my cellar.
Thanks very much! Very glad you concur. Enjoyed making this one. Cheers!
Montrose is my "house wine". Agree on the cellar time required.
Thank you! Definitely one I enjoy as well!
Thank you so much… all wines are my favorite wines!
Lots of excellent producers here! 👍🍷
Great video! You always teach something! Like for me you are a walking book for wines! You should consider lecture series for Bordeaux with book!
Thanks very much! Definitely one of my favorite regions!
@@AttorneySomm there is one 2018 chateau Couhins Passac Leognan bought it for just $28.99 … after few hours decant awesome 😎 wine!
@@sanjaypatelmd4669 Thanks! Appreciate the tip. I'll have to see if I can track it down. 2018 was a stellar vintage in Bordeaux so lots of excellent wine that year.
@@AttorneySomm I do have few bottles… when I come to Dallas in august I can bring it for you .
@@sanjaypatelmd4669 Sounds great! Looking forward to it.
Hello John. Have you done a video on CBs that would be classified if the 1855 were re-done today? Thanks.
Hello! Not yet, but that is not a bad idea! Cheers!
Hi Attorney Somm, I have almost all the super seconds you mentioned from 05', 09, and 10 in my cellar. Believe it or not I haven't opened a single one, nor have I had the pleasure/privilege of tasting any 2nd growth Bordeaux yet. I've only been collecting wines since about 2009 so I suppose I'm in for a real treat one of these years!
Thanks! Yes, sounds like you have an excellent collection started. It is not too early to try one of the 2009s. That is an early drinking vintage whereas 05 and 10 are much more structured. So the first time you try one, I would suggest an 09. Cheers!
My passive cellar temp ranges from 55 winter to 65 summer. Is this temp range ok to store wine?
Yes I think so.
Great video as usual, Mr Somm! A question, have you drank the Bordeaux "Chateau Recougne"? For someone who drinks wine $40ish and under, it's been one of my favorites so far.
Thanks very much! I have not tried that one yet, but I will keep an eye out. Appreciate you weighing in (and watching)! Cheers!
what is the price range for these second growth wines? palmer runs 119.00 a bottle in miami but its considered 3rd growth so maybe better priced
On second growths, La Mission Haut-Brion is almost as much as the first growths (average on Wine Searcher for 2020 is $386) whereas Leoville Barton is closer to $100. This video is only about the “super seconds” though, not just second growths generally. That is why Palmer is included and Barton is not.
keep em comming
Thanks! Just finished recording one for Sunday! 👍🍷
All of them are superb wines! Love Cos and lalande especially
Thanks very much! Two of my favorites as well. Cheers!
On the right bank, assuming Cheval Blanc, Ausone, Angelus, Pavie, Petrus and Le Pin are equivalent of first growths . Then the super seconds would be Figeac, VCC and La Conseillante.
Thanks for weighing in! In my view, Pavie might fit better in the second group, but agree with the rest of it.
I would put Pavie and Angelus in the second category… and I would add Lafleur to the first category and Trotanoy and Valandraud to the second one.
For some reason, I always thought Leoville Barton was considered a Super Second. Especially after the 2016 vintage!
It is certainly one of my favorites, but historically perhaps a step behind some of these others! I did a separate video on all three Leovilles if you want to hear my thoughts re: that outstanding producer. Cheers!
Any good Second wines from Bordeaux top producers? Maybe an idea for an upcoming video
Thanks! This video addresses that topic.
ua-cam.com/video/lv6pW5dJyQs/v-deo.html Thanks for the suggestion!
Time for an analysis of cru bourgeois, particularly after the recent reclassification.
Thanks very much! Suggestions are always welcome. Cheers!
I find that many Super 2nds try to mimic Pauillac, instead of their specific area. That's why everybody wants them.
If you include Pontet Canet(5th), why not Lynch Bages(5th)?
An excellent point about Lynch Bages. Certainly that one is up there as well. Thanks for weighing in. 👍🍷
Thank you very much for this very nice and learnful video!:-) But - I have some objections! The Château Montrose imho never gets ripe - it's always impressive, but never ripe! I have the same problem with Château Latour - always impressive, but never ripe! I had once a huge vertical of Château Latour going back even further than 1945, but these wines get never ripe! The bottles were in good shape, a very good friend that I know since 40 years organized that tasting. The best vintage was 1958 btw. My conclusion is that I will never buy Château Montrose anymore and never buy Château Latour anymore. But I like Château Léoville Las Cases and Château Palmer.
Thanks very much for weighing in and sharing your experience. That must have been an incredible Latour tasting! I do think the Montrose style has changed a bit more recently (eg, 2015) but agree the older vintages were more challenging. I’m a big fan of LLC and Palmer as well. Cheers!
It is my understanding that all of the second growth wines have held the same status since 1855, with the exception of Mouton Rothschild being promoted to first growth in 1973
These are “super seconds”. Not all second growths. I explain in the video.
I have a different video for the second growths as set forth in the 1855 classification. Some but not all of those are “super seconds”
@@AttorneySomm I really like the video, I just saw it in a comment and so I was asking for clarification!
@@jonathanfriedman7430 Thanks! Yes you are correct. Mouton moved up. The others stayed the same. 👍🍷
@@AttorneySomm I’m studying for CMS Cert so I wanna make sure I know as much as I can
I think leoville barton is a better candidate than poyferre.
Thank you for weighing in. I’m a huge Barton fan too. In fact I have a video about the 3 Leovilles I’m. Working on.
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A fantastic wine! That one is a second wine. This video is about second growths in the 1855 classification. Cheers!
Dude these wines are ridiculous expensive
They are some of the top wines in the world. I have many other videos where I recommend wines at lower price points (e.g., $15, $20, $25, $30, $40, $50, etc.), including some excellent Bordeaux.
Perhaps talking to the camera rather than reading a script to the camera will come off more natural. As it is, the unnatural pace, your eyes looking slightly to the side, and the frequent edit cuts made the viewing experience displeasing. Kind of like an old Cal Worthington advert.
Thank you for watching and your feedback. I do all the work on my channel personally. Editing has been something I have had to learn from scratch. I understand there is room for improvement. The edits are to remove the space between sentences as YT gurus advise to eliminate those. Some advise that they like that; others do not. Also, I am not reading. My notes are below and I do not look down.
I don’t think I've ever heard anyone butcher the pronunciation of Chateau Montrose as you did. Even the British keep the "rose" part intact
Thanks for the feedback. Guess I did ok on the other 9.
Also, I know of a talented, intelligent Master of Wine student who published outstanding UA-cam videos about wine who basically quit publishing here because he did not appreciate comments like this one about his pronunciation. You might try being more constructive in the future. Also, I do spend time working on pronunciation before each video but overlooked this estate. Thanks for watching.
@@AttorneySomm Your videos are interesting and informative and that's why I watch them. Thanks for making them. I appreciate it.
With that being said, If I notice something or think something is noteworthy, I'll make a comment on it for whomever may find it interesting. If you don't like it you can ignore it, or call it out for being false. What you can't do is dictate what gets commented on and how its done. That's up to UA-cam and its ToS. Or, you can close the entire comment section if you don't think you can handle it. You may think my comment wasn't "constructive", but at least now you and your viewers know. I like to believe you're not that fragile that this will stop you from producing new vids.
@@hottuna2006 Fair enough. Correct, I certainly understand there is room for improvement and do appreciate suggestions in that regard. Thanks very much for watching and taking the time to provide feedback.
Hotnub: Manners will never be laid out in a ToS, and especially when you remain anonymous it's particularly idiotic to dictate who is supposed to handle what who actually put themselves out there with something.