Wait this dude also knows how to speak the electrotechnical properties right like candela per ampere, while most of youtube keeps it at 'wattage' or 'amparage' and never talk in terms in power or currents or even ever use 1 right term. The longer I see you, the prouder I am for you.
Nicely explained Vincent. The fact that you have taken the pains to explain deuterium technology, luminance, Pixel aperture ratio to the general audience, clearly puts you in a much better category than the other TV reviewers. Keep at it!
Unfortunately he still perpetuates myths in with the goal of selling TV's. All industry shills are guilty of the same thing, and Vince is no exception.
@@notsohandyandy Industry shills present information in a way beneficial to the industry rather than consumers. For example, pretending burn-in is an issue (which he has mentioned it not being an issue in the past) to push the new model TV's. For example - burn in illustrated on red-slides, which nobody ever sees unless they specifically bring them up. Which is why he will use red-slides to demonstrate the issue. This is just one example of how someone can use technical prowess to pretend like they are on the consumer's side, but in the end it's being presented in a way to benefit the industry (or themselves, because they're incentivized by the industry).
@@GamerWordDotNet i think ypur reading a bit much into this. He literally is not on the pay role of tv manufacturers so he doesn't care how much they sell however he does run a youtube channel that is specifically about displays and objective reviews on them. Of course he is going to talk about whats new and different and what potential benefits that could be seen from it, he needs views and will highlight any new variation that could be a benefit to new buyers. He even states there 30% more brightness is most likely for the abl but is just another lg marketing term to sound huge but is minor most likely at best. Evo panel is a good example of that. The only thing that really makes a difference is a heatsink although panel benefit is nice on top. But each manufacturer will use it in different ways.
@@GamerWordDotNet i think miss understood what he was saying as well instead looking for hidden agenda maybe you should of listened to the benefits and the details basically he is saying that because of reduce chance of burn in lg has been able to raise their abl and protection levels as they have added so much to protect the panel and make burn in a non risk it has come at the cost of panel luminace so lets wait and see what real world results are i cant see anything breakthrough but maybe on the a90j level with different strong points and weak points due to lgs use of the technology including the heatsink in the g2 compared sony's
The AI prediction is a nice advancement. At Pioneer, back in the good 'ol days of PDP, we had pixel shift tech, of course, which was marketed as a way to delay the chances of burn-in, but internally we referred to it as "just moving the problem around." 😀
What is PDP? Plasma Display Panel? XDDD Ooh, LG just could figure this out recently? I don't think I've had it on my B7V. xddd That's why Panasonic is the best? They know the tech. They have the experience. ☻ Why did you refer to it as "just moving the problem around." though? What problem has been moved that it caused another one? xddd
I bought a LG B7 in 2018. The burn-in examples at the beginning of the video are very real. It doesn't matter if LG improved their OLED panels by 30%. It doesn't matter that new OLED panels look better than LCD. I use my TV in a bright room, and I have to set the OLED brightness near the max level. I always prevent static logos to stay more than a few seconds. However, the burn-in is an accumulative effect. After a year of moderate use, I had burn-in in some areas. 2 years later, the screen degradation is awful. I'll never buy an OLED tv again, unless burn-in be 100% impossible to happen.
I used a Panasonic plasma for 15 years and never got any burn in. I think the main reason was being aware of it and never letting the tv stay on with a static image. Plus, I’d enable the screensaver in every console and media player. After so many years, I was kind of hoping the TV would die but didn’t replace it until I got a 4K TV for free from a friend doing an upgrade. Still in perfect condition but the demand for 50” 720p plasmas is non existent at this point :) I can’t even give it away!
I've got a 1080p 42" inch Panasonic plasma. The picture quality is great, and I'm not in a hurry to upgrade. It's going to be 10 years old this year. I paid 600€ for it. The speakers are bad and the components buzz, but the picture is great at HD. It's miles better than any LED TV that was at the market at the same time at the same price point. My family's Sony 40" 1080p LCD TV was bought in 2007, and its speakers and audio quality are great. My family sees no reason to upgrade. The only downgrade is that it doesn't have an HD receiver, so if you want to watch TV in HD, you've got to buy an HD digibox. I've thought about upgrading my TV for a couple of years, but I've decided not to do so until the TV bites the dust.
I have a 17 year old Samsung Plasma TV. Still displays an awesome picture. When I compare that to the new OLED display, I find the 1080p image displayed by the plasma screen more realistic. The image on the new OLED is not as realistic looking as one might think. What your eyes see in real life is not the same as what's displayed on an OLED screen. Overly sharp. My opinion, of course.
@@excitedaboutlearning1639 I have a 42" Panasonic, HD, (only 1080p) sitting in storage. Good TV when I had it. Screen unfortunately has a stupid blemish on it. .. That aside, when I went from 1080p to 4k Resolution, & 4k footage... Good lord, what a night & day difference. Its was mind blowingly awesome & easy to notice.
LG did say they were making a smaller 30 somthin inch or more high refresh monitor, but that was 4 months ago. So yeah, the C2 lookin like my next purchase unless the QD-OLED is that much better.
Back in 2017 everyone was saying burn-in was no longer a thing, just like they're saying now. So I bought a C7, then 4 years later my oled has it, lol. Don't think I can ever trust this tech again, it's just too much money for only 4 years. It's beautiful, but it comes with a big drawback of unpreventable uneven wear, and you can baby it all you want, but it simply has a much shorter lifespan, and I don't think there's any trick that can truly prevent that.
I have said this a lot in Vincent's other videos, but he is awesome and know the technology in TV's probably as good as the engineers that design them for LG. I won't buy a TV unless he says its good. Gotta have the HDTVTest seal of approval or it's not going in my house. In fact, I already bought my LG C2 OLED 65 inch and hung it on my wall thanks to Vincent! Please keep the videos coming man so I can buy more stuff! ROFL
Side question: what program is used for the graphics in this video (like highlighting text, the animation in the bars, texts popping in and out)? Is it Adobe After Effects or is there something simpler/other options?
Let's hope the new 42" C2 will be as good as it seems. The new Alienware monitor will probably be so overpriced that the LG tv will look like a bargain next to it.
Interesting video, just had my B7 replaced under warranty due to burn-in. This was caused while the Tv was in mute, with the mute logo burning in the three places it moves too, a feature designed to prevent this very thing from happening So my advice would be to turn it he sound down instead.
You are lucky then. I have the 65" (65B6) version and I have a big burned in area in the middle of the screen. In this area the colours are just weird :( Honestly, I was really disappointed, because the tv wasn't cheap (3k) and after 3,5 years (without gaming) normal usage this shouldn’t happen.
I had a 55" LG EC9300 OLED TV. It was LG's second year of making OLED TVs. I got it in May of 2015 and used it until May 2021. Probably 15,000 hours. I sold it to a friend in June when I got my Sony 55" A80J. It's still doing just fine with no trace of burn in.
Hey Vincent, how come under pixel cleaning you can click the ‘operate once when tv is off” and then it will say “scheduled” yet it explains no difference what leaving it as is vs scheduled means.. it would appear not until you “schedule” is pixel refresh on!!? One you click it and it says scheduled it’s not like it prompts you on when and what time .. nothing happens but it saying “scheduled”
*I have a 75 C1 with 4000 hours and I still think it’s doing a beautiful job I just hope it lasts thousands of more hours ? I was going to take it back to Costco because I noticed some weird black spots during transition to other scenes! Costco has a great customer service department and give some more time if your 90 days is up! Before they were strict on it I guess times have changed for the better*
Last TV I owned, I had for 10 years. Not intentionally, but it just wasn't in the budget. I've been holding back on OLED for this reason. I don't want my TV to become an "emergency expense". Need to see further testing but this looks interesting.
I bought one (65" C1) after keeping a 3D capable one for 10 years since I'm sure, no single thing we're watching on it (series for the kid, occasional gaming, documentaries) will account for more than e.g. 4000+ hours showing the same program with a constant screen (like in the test of a less well protected model with CNN running at max brightness for that many hours).
I only own OLED in my house, even if i got paid to use another technology i wouldnt. Its just so much better. For my living room ive had the LG 65" C7 since release. Did a test on it a few days and no retention on it. I run pretty high brightness. For my computer i use LG 48" CX which ive had for a year now running at 100% oled light. Computer on about 10-12 hours a day with websites up or gaming. No retention there either. Its really a safe technology right now unless ive been very lucky.
@@Avean there is another comment about a B7 having bad burn-in. The guy even gives up on OLED altogether because of that. Your experience is absolutely opposite wow.
You can look at it the other way and say that it's always the right time, since something new will pop up next year anyway. But it's not like some new tech will make your current TV uglier... I'm still using LG C8 and I'm very happy with it, I plan to stick with it at least for the next few years. Would a 2022 TV look better? Definitely. But mine looks good enough anyway. FOMO is a bad thing to have, you need to accept that no matter what you buy, there will be some new version releasing soon or your version will become cheaper. That's just the nature of tech, always has been.
I bought a bargain 77C1 recently, so it has an evo/WBE panel and altough it has not unlocked the "brightness boost" like the G1 or C2, will the evo panel still be more power efficient and more durable on the C1 compared to WBC? :) Thanks
I bought an LG c9 back in 2020 and it took around a year of gaming with every screen saving setting enabled to get burn in. Now I have been watching movies and videos with the overlay from ARK survival evolved for over two years now and I am not sure I will ever buy an OLED again. Their were a lot of promises made at the time I bought my C9 and I am not impressed after paying so much for a TV.
I got a 55 inch c1 early last year for my office and just a few weeks ago i bought a 65 inch c1 for my man cave. The 55 is the old style panel while the 65 is an evo panel. The evo panel measures brighter than the older panel. I got 830 nits in the 10 % window stimulus on the 55 and 911 in the same window on the 65 evo. I know it’s not a huge deal but the evo is noticeably brighter.
For your office? Damn, I wish I have a boss like that. All our computers are outdated and my boss doesn't like spending new equipment for the company. His reason is as long as it works, there's no reason to upgrade.
Vincent, please be sure to review 65” OLED televisions as they tend to have the worst uniformity issues. This will help give us an idea of which model to buy (EVO vs EX vs QD-OLED)
I have bought a second hand LG E6 65" (last 3D display from LG)for the 3D and it has burn in. I wanted to replace the panel but new panels are 2D only. What can I do with the permanent burning in red only?
One thing I noticed about my 77 C1, which has the EVO panel, is that it dimms the subtitles pretty fast, due to the benefits of the machine learning algorithm.
Nice video! Could you maybe do same test on maybe smartphones in the future? They also got a OLED display. Could be interesting to compare tv OLED and smartphone oled!
The biggest argument to not buy oled are all these videos out there making lectures and conferences on how to avoid or minimize the risk of burn in. I just can't purchase a TV let alone for this price and leaving with the constant fear of burn in when watching or gaming: what am I allowed to look or play, how long am I allowed to etc
I agree it’s definitely annoying when they say don’t leave static hubs on well every single game has hubs so when LG makes these top features for gaming but then say don’t play for too long is def mixed signals because a gaming tv shouldn’t have a limit of what to play or for how many hours
Image Retention is a much less severe threat than in the past, Static Logo dimming, ABL Pixel refresh, if this isn't enough to reassure you then I'm afraid there's nothing that can be said to change your mind. Whilst I don't think screen burn concern is warranted unless playing hours on end in Vivid mode for prolonged, you'd be better off buying a flagship LED TV if your concerns are that strong. LED TV's have poorer black levels and less detail but would be more suitable in extremely bright viewing room conditions due to a full array back-lighting system. The catch is slightly higher input lag on LED's compared to OLED's near instantaneous pixel response time. Here's some suggestions: Sony X90/X95J - class leading motion and low resolution upscaling, full array backlighting, 120hz HDMI 2.1 with 2 x HDMI 2.1 ports and Dolby Atmos / Vision for movie content The X95J also has an AMAZING anti reflective layer and more dimming zones than the X90J. Hisense U8G - full array backlighting, 4 hdmi 2.1 ports, 120hz panel, poorer motion and upscaling than the Sony BUT supports Samsung's HDR10+ in addition to Dolby formats, pretty irrelevant for gaming but still, a niche! Samsung QN90/QN94A - 120hz, 1XHDMI 2.1, Mini LED and full array backlighting, No Dolby Vision or Atmos support. Samsung are VERY aggressive with their Full Array Local Dimming algorithm will crush shadow detail to improve black levels. Some people think blooming is a deal breaker above all else which is very primitive in my opinion, but if this appeals to you it's another choice I suppose. Sony will have better motion handling but I expect Samsung's QN90/94A to perform better than the Hisense U8G on fast moving scenes.
@@Sh1bble If burn-in is no longer an issue these companies would warrant these displays against burn-in for their expected life (7 years or more). The fact that they don't just says to customers that it's something they do have to worry about and often isn't covered. If they want to alleviate concerns they should put their money where their mouth is. LED TVs are better even in moderate lighting conditions. Even new QD-OLED panels can only reach 1/4rth the brightness of LED based panels. "Whilst I don't think screen burn concern is warranted unless playing hours on end in Vivid mode for prolonged" Given the brightness output of "Vivid" mode on a QD-OLED is only about 235 cd/m2, I'd say that's just about everyone that doesn't put their TV in a dedicated room with no windows. "LED TV's have poorer black levels and less detail but would be more suitable in extremely bright viewing room conditions due to a full array back-lighting system. The catch is slightly higher input lag on LED's compared to OLED's near instantaneous pixel response time." LED TVs do not have less detail, that is just false. In fact depending on the subpixel layout, LED may appear more detailed. I know for a fact that QD-OLED has a subpixel layout that's suboptimal for anything regarding reading or desktop work. LEDs also don't intrinsically have higher input lag. OLEDs have a faster pixel response time but that's only one component in the input lag chain. You also need to factor in processing time and refresh rate delay. In the PC space, OLEDs are beaten out in regards to input lag despite the higher pixel response times.
My parents bought a C8 65" in 2018. They haven't babied it at all, it frequently gets left on Sky News or music channels for hours. Subtitles are always enabled (but set to grey on the main profile) on Netflix etc. Every 6 months or so I check the picture with the full colour RGB etc screens. And to this day there is zero burn in. The EU models do not have anyway to view the total watched hours as far as I know, but this TV has been used for at least ~4 hours a day since late 2018, so let's say ~5000 hours.
@@giglioflex They don’t warranty against burn-in because if even 0.5% of all sets get burn in that’s a lot of money out of their pocket. This is a non-issue for modern LG OLEDs. There’s simply nothing else to say. I’ve used an LG CX as a gaming PC monitor for almost two years, and I don’t have any burn in whatsoever. That’s close to 3,000 hours of use. And I play MMOs. Sometimes for 6+ hours at a time. Tons of bright static HUD elements on the screen. No burn in. The only people hand wringing about OLED burn in are always those who don’t own OLEDs.
Hey Vincent . Quick Question if you see this. The C1 does not decode dts and you cannot pass it to your receiver . Some people are saying there is a way to pass it to a receiver using eARC . Do you have any knowledge of this and if so how do you do it?
I am interested in a TV for my new PS5, I was looking at LG C model's. In one of your video's you were talking about prices drop, so I would like you opinion show I wait for LG C 2 to drop in price or go for LG C 1. About the price drops Black Friday is the best time right?
Very informative! I really am curious if these new panels will also allow for less aggressive, or even removal of ABL. I bought a C1 and I loved it, except for that. And ultimately I returned it because it was just so distracting and ruining great HDR. Is it possible we will see any tv do that this year? My (limited) understanding is that the TVs need heat sinks to allow for no ABL. But again, I’m still very much learning.
See, now I’m torn 😬 I’ve been looking to upgrade my 65” B6 for quite a while now and I currently can get a 65” C1 for £1390 (offer expires Feb 1st), or do I now wait for C2 with the potential of 30% brightness increase? Do you think entry price will be similar to that of the C1, so around £2500 for 65” ?
Entry prices of LG OLEDs will be same, if not cheaper if you look at the trend so far. Don't buy C2 day-1...you'll be able to get it much cheaper in just a few months time
@@BrendanEvansX I’ve had it nearly 5 years now and yeah, I have burn in 😔 Mostly from when my kid was younger and was leaving a channel on pause that didn’t have a screensaver. By the time I realised what was happening, it was too late 🤦♂️ LG quoted me for a panel replacement last year but I think I’ll just upgrade the whole thing eventually when I have the funds
@@d3viluk damn dude I'm so sorry to hear that because I'm also thinking of getting an OLED tv soon but I'm mostly happy with my x90j from Sony. Do you think if you were more careful it wouldn't have burned in? And also how bad is it
The choice at 5:45 minute can do the user. He can reduce the brightness. I think the LG OLED screen is great because the panel could be very, very bright but it isn't. So I think it will not burn in. Also I see a difference. My sister had an Samsung S4 and its burned in after 2 years. My wife has an iPhone X still today for 3 years. There is no burn in.
After a year now with my C9 i got the first mentionable burn in markings. I use it on my desk for CAD and Games, YT and Films. But mostly one Game. So.. the burn ins are on the task bar, where i clearly see some ICONS poppin through.. And the Stats, Counter and Overview of this one mentioned game. Its hardly to see in normal use, but on 1 color only pictures they really pop. :/
What were your habits regarding the different good practices (no permanent taskbar, lvl of brightness, etc) ? How much time approx would you estimate your play time? :)
@@bobcoco6047 uhm.. alot? i mean, to be fair. i use it so much i am kinda impressed the burn ins are so minor. So i would still recommend this tv.. i also bought it for just 1.3k € fair enough for the degredation.. as long it works and has no failures. usage depends.. from 2- 12h a day
@@hanswurstusbrachialus5213 thx, & that's indeed another aspect I see, how bad the symptom really is, i.e would we still use it gladly after these burns, so that it would still be better than a new [any other type of panel]... & funnily enough, the burns won't be any noticeable, when using the TV for the very same applications, such as the VG in question (or the taskbar to an extent), so... 😅
Hi, Vicent. I want to make you aware of a LG C1 (at least) problem. Maybe it is for burn in prevention? But is really anoying and I dont know how to prevent. Hoping you to investigate it furthermore and maybe get a response from LG: - Any dolby vision (noticed at Netflix TV app) content when you pause it time enough to turn on the clock of the energy saving, if you play again the content, the image come back very dark. Is easy to know it is dimmer than it should, because the menu of Nerflix, for example, become darker too. The only way to bring it back to normal is coming back to the app homescreen and playing the tittle again, or just pausing it for some seconds. Did you notice something like this before? Update: In a single episode of 1 hour, I had to do this 4 times!! Even without sttoping the episode a single time. I tought it was only after the energy saving wallpaper, but no, it become darker even with the episode playing. It was already a very dark show, it turns in something just unwatchable sometimes (The Haunting of Hill House).
Nice cap, Teoh. Do you look forward to new regs this season? Also, thank you for your great content. I have learned a lot during the last few weeks since I have found your channel.
Question: does OLED panel refresh degrade the rest of the panel to accommodate the “burnt-in” areas or is the burnt-in area itself being driven harder to match its surroundings? Like how does it work?
The LG 77C1 has the EVO panel already, and I know some of the later MFG 55/65in panels were coming with them as well I believe. I confirmed my 77in has the EVO panel, don't get the improved brightness but at least in theory the panel should hold up better to burn in.
@@rashonkelly3598 I think all C1's have the EVO panel. They just don't apply the extra brightness. That said, the LG G1 has an EVO panel and it has "20% more brightness". But in reviews the difference between the C1 and G1 was not very large. So a 30% increase over the C1 is probably not going to be all that noticable in most situation. The C1 had a brightness of ~600 nits, where the G1 has ~720 nits. So the EX panels (which are EVO panels, but rebranded) probably have ~780 nits. It will be interesting to see why LG has done this. Is this an answer to Samsung entering the OLED bunisess with their brighter OLED displays? OR have they seen that the 20% extra brightness on the EVO panels has no negative side-effects on lifespan so they can increase brightness further. I hope the latter, because i'm expecting the LG G1 at my doorstep today
@@tharealmb thanks for explaining this to me definitely have a better understanding. I hope you get a good experience out of the G1 pretty sure you will take care buddy.
Here's better analogy - it's harder to push you when you're big bulky man. Because heat is basically molecules movement, heavier means more stable at same temperature (because temperature and kinetic energy are basically the same and kinetic energy is E=1/2*mv^2 by increasing m you can decrease v resulting in same E).
Nice review. I am glad there is something in the works to extend oled life span. I am used to Sony TVs non oled that last forever. My current model is a 32 inch Sony Bravia thats about 12 years old. Hasn't missed a beat. I would want an oled to follow suit if I were to buy one.
I was like you had a 2008 series 8 LED Samsung for 13 years. Upgraded to a Qled first, got blown away , then I got an OLED , got even more blown away and now I'm waiting for something good to upgrade. Maybe next year with a QDOled.
@@intelligence6900I still use a 2013 Sony 1080p. Looks great. I'd like an upgrade, but at the same time don't need to drop $2-4k for my current usage. I tend to like to buy the top end model. Which means it lasts 10 years easily enough while still performing well, but it's a big decision to buy
does the Panasonic LZ2000 do panel maintenance everytime it is turned off or do i have to activate it?...and if i do this often, will I reduce the lifespan of this tv?
They will reduce the max brightness on the 42 and 48 inch C2 Evo panels to make them last longer, so that they are more usable as "monitors". That is my conclusion at least.
LG is NOT making "monitors" in OLED flavor. Stop calling the 42 and 48 displays "monitors" they are tv sized panels and LG only sells televisions (their monitors haven't gone oled yet, because wrgb is garbage for monitor use due to subpixel layout aka text looks like shit). ASUS may use those panels and sell "monitors" but they are still "televisions"
Sorry if I missed the point, but a majority of the change sounded like software (machine learning to improve algorithms) while the conclusion focused on hardware (the panel itself). Can the software portion of the improvements be rolled out to 2021 G1/Evo owners via firmware update? What are the odds of LG doing that?
@Braden Sheff: Unfortunately it's because of the software improvements (machine learning to predict OLED compensation) that hardware changes to the OLED panel (elimination of some sensing lines, resulting in higher aperture ratio) were made.
WRGB OLED from LG is essentially a layer of all red subpixels, another layer of all blue subpixels, and another layer of green subpixels. this makes "white". they then use really bad color filters to create red blue and green respectively, while leaving the 4th subpixel as "white".... QD-OLED is simply the blue compound, all blue subpixels, and then using a layer of samsungs quantum dots to convert to color. which only lose about 5% light. where as the WRGB from LG uses typical color filters which lose upwards of 50% light output (hence the 4th white subpixel).
@@goblinphreak2132 Yes we get all that - but lets see real world tests - on stand media from - TV , SDR , to current HDR movies , to content the really pushes the BT. 2020 colour space . If I watch a movie - I do not watch it sub optimally - off access , sunlight streaming in , radio on etc . So all that about reflective screen, off access is totally 100% meaningless . Maybe even brightness is not that important - so leaving colour saturation and control QD-OLED can bring dark areas ( as no white ) - don't worry overly at burn in - My country protects my consumer rights & not a huge problem
More durability and brighness are great, but making an OLED even thinner is just stupid...it is already very difficult to handle the bigger sized OLED TVs since there are so few places where you can actually lift them or swivel/tilt them...
i have a question so i recently bought a PS5 and i want to buy an OLED TV but im not sure if i should wait for LG new C2 TV or buy the C1 one thing is that i dont want to spend more than 1500 dlls (cant afford to spend to much money) so my question is is LG C1 good enough for the PS5 or should i wait for C2 to see price drops on C1 and also see specs of C2 and pricing?
ABL can't be switched of on any tv ! ... this is a hardware protection measure to prevent the tv from destroying itself. ASBL on the other side CAN be de-activated ... but only on LG OLED tvs and Samsung's S95B (both through changes in the service menu) ... all other brands are not allowing to de-activate it.
I used to put UA-cam music ambience videos on my TV that would be themed such as coffee shop or fireplace at Christmas with some jazz versions of holiday music for an hour or 2 while reading or cleaning, but since I got my LG C2 oled, I'm worried that if I put these videos on I will ruin my panel. Does anyone have any insight, am I worrying too much?
my buddy has a CX and uses it as a gaming monitor...he played a ton of games like Destiny 2 and now has the weapon icons and super bar burned into his screen so i think OLED still is not a good advice for people who play a lot of games with static UI elements
That's basically it. They're simply can't withstand hardcore abuse. No OLED out there will be able to withstand the abuse I throw at it for its full lifespan. I'd be surprised if it'll even last more than 3 years before showcasing permanent burn-in. I have no problem recommending it to casual folks and whatnot, but it's still a massive problem for users like me. And heck, by the time I replace my TV around 2025 or so even LED will be practically indistuingashable from OLEDs anyhow outside of extreme test situations.
@@thenonexistinghero I have 0 burn on my 55 CX after 19 months. Everything set to 100. Ofc I take care of it , screen saver is always on if the screen is static for too long and pixel refresher. So I think his friend is doing something wrong. Also tv is on like 16 hours a day and using a 3090 and a PS5. So from a hardcore gamer it's got my approval. I just miss the days of Samsung where i took 0 care of my Tv, that's all.
@@biohead66 19 months is only a year and a half, that's nothing. Not a single OLED out there is capable of withstanding hardcore usage for the normal lifetime of a TV (7-10 years).
@@thenonexistinghero well the cx was released like 21 months ago so couldn’t test it further but still. Lg will increase the brightness by 30% because the current gaming oleds dont have burn in at all.
@@biohead66 i mean it comes down to what you play the most, my friend has over 2000h on Destiny 2 and has burn in...when you play a lot of different games it shouldn´t be a problem but if you play one game daily with HDR you can get burn in very fast sadly
I owned two LGs and One Samsung oled TV and they all had burn-in. I only watch movies and tv shows on netflix and do not do gaming. Stay away from OLEDs!
I took back 2 oled TVs (C1 and A80J) before settling for an X90J. Why? Because the grid issue on the LG was very distracting when looking at a bright sky (which most games have) and the Sony had these 2 lines going down the middle of the screen about 2inches apart (this occurs I think on every A80J but most people probably don’t care). It was really bad for games though via certain coloured skys etc. until these issues get sorted I don’t care how bright the brights get and how black the blacks get, the X90J hasn’t given me any of these issues so I’m sticking with lcd for a while
@@ArtVandelayOfficial maybe 😆…but for 1.5k I don’t want the grid stuff which is pretty common I’ve seen in the blogs, if I’m looking outside at the sky I don’t expect to see weird lines and if I do I’m going to the doctor. A TV is supposed to be clean at the very least and this isn’t a banding issue that can go away, it’s something built in hardware wise.
One thing I noticed about my 77 C1, which has the EVO panel, is that it dimms the subtitles pretty fast, due to the benefits of the machine learning algorithm.
Ya but, what about if I have the TV on for about 18 hours/day, 365 days/yr. ? And, sometimes the kids or grandmom leaves it on with a video paused or whatever and we leave and come back 9 hours later to see it still paused? Is an LED/OLED/WLED/QLED better or should I just go with an LCD (QLED?)?
Exciting times, Vincent! I'm thinking this might be the year to replace my 10+ year old 32'' LED LCD. Been subscribed to your videos for over a year now and I'm getting closer to making the buy! Keep the reviews coming!!
I'm waiting for the QD-OLED to be a decent price. I think OLED is great, but I'm so afraid of burn in. I want my tv to last a long time. Otherwise i would've bought a new tv a few years ago. QD-OLED is going to be expensive in the beginning, so i wonder how many more years i have to wait. 😂
@@luis-ciphermstar6597 it wont be anywhere near competetive with something like the C series. IT will be beyond a90j priceing. Its new nech and u gonna pay out of ur ass to get one year one.
@@dante19890 That may be true, but fingers crossed.. My point is, I'm not buying any LG OLED, got rid of the new one I just bought because I was unimpressed with it other than black levels, even after calibration. Hopefully the prices end up decent, but I won't know until they give me my dealer pricing. Cheers
@@luis-ciphermstar6597I wouldnt be suprised if the 65 inch qdoled would be around 5000. For a first generation product with low yields I would say its not terrible.
Did you checked that sony will be using samsung display panels with qd oled branding ? . normally that's their response to the lg EX . Samsung has now advertised at ces their quatum dot oled display.
Do you have a video about banding talking about how widely spread it is? It seems to me there are almost no TV screens above 50 inches that don't have it.
I don't care about how much brighter they get. I care about not having ABL so it doesn't pull me out of my immersion when watching media. Not a huge issue to many people but I would rather have a C1 from 2021 without ABL than a C whatever from 2022 that is 30% brighter.
@@Xolition ABL = Auto Brightness Limiter. When you watch a movie or a tv show and suddenly a bright scene pops up (60% or more of the screen is bright) it will automatically dim and to me is very noticeable and pulls me out of the immersion.
@@dante19890 Sure but I don't buy a $1000+ TV to set the brightness super low. I want to enjoy the TV and for that I want it at a decent brightness. Just waiting for an OLED without ABL and I will be golden.
I've got an LG C7 from 2017, burn in is extreme and I only used it for normal TV viewing, I have sensitive eyes and don't like ultra bright displays, so I purposely turn the brightness way down, which I thought might help prevent burn in, also I was careful not to leave it on in set top box menus or anything, I'm disgusted at the level of burn in, it's now showing a faint thick green horiz line right across it. After spending £1500 on it I will NOT be trusting an OLED going forwards - remember when buying a TV was a once in 15 year thing!?
I have the C7 as well and have already replaced the panel (thank you, Costco extended warranty!). I'm thinking this panel probably only has another couple of years left in it, but the picture quality is so good I'm absolutely going to replace it with another OLED (with the extended warranty :D )
@@lefteris19 Don't be naive and stupid, OLED technology in phones has been around commercially since 2003 (GSMArena article), and in TV's since 2007 (Sony XEL-1)! Are you trying to tell me 10+ years on the market is too early!? "Go ahead and buy..." - Well I thought I made my point - After pouring £1500 down the drain on a fundamentally flawed technology only 4 yrs ago. How about NO.
Wait this dude also knows how to speak the electrotechnical properties right like candela per ampere, while most of youtube keeps it at 'wattage' or 'amparage' and never talk in terms in power or currents or even ever use 1 right term. The longer I see you, the prouder I am for you.
Well, he is a professional after all, he has a lot of experience, in many things. Specially when the lights turn off.
@@SMGJohn Ting~
Stfu, don't overexaggerate sh** like that is so important.
@@SMGJohn hahaha
@@YavNe triggered much?
Nicely explained Vincent. The fact that you have taken the pains to explain deuterium technology, luminance, Pixel aperture ratio to the general audience, clearly puts you in a much better category than the other TV reviewers. Keep at it!
Unfortunately he still perpetuates myths in with the goal of selling TV's. All industry shills are guilty of the same thing, and Vince is no exception.
@@GamerWordDotNet what are you talking about
@@notsohandyandy Industry shills present information in a way beneficial to the industry rather than consumers. For example, pretending burn-in is an issue (which he has mentioned it not being an issue in the past) to push the new model TV's. For example - burn in illustrated on red-slides, which nobody ever sees unless they specifically bring them up. Which is why he will use red-slides to demonstrate the issue. This is just one example of how someone can use technical prowess to pretend like they are on the consumer's side, but in the end it's being presented in a way to benefit the industry (or themselves, because they're incentivized by the industry).
@@GamerWordDotNet i think ypur reading a bit much into this. He literally is not on the pay role of tv manufacturers so he doesn't care how much they sell however he does run a youtube channel that is specifically about displays and objective reviews on them. Of course he is going to talk about whats new and different and what potential benefits that could be seen from it, he needs views and will highlight any new variation that could be a benefit to new buyers. He even states there 30% more brightness is most likely for the abl but is just another lg marketing term to sound huge but is minor most likely at best. Evo panel is a good example of that. The only thing that really makes a difference is a heatsink although panel benefit is nice on top. But each manufacturer will use it in different ways.
@@GamerWordDotNet i think miss understood what he was saying as well instead looking for hidden agenda maybe you should of listened to the benefits and the details basically he is saying that because of reduce chance of burn in lg has been able to raise their abl and protection levels as they have added so much to protect the panel and make burn in a non risk it has come at the cost of panel luminace so lets wait and see what real world results are i cant see anything breakthrough but maybe on the a90j level with different strong points and weak points due to lgs use of the technology including the heatsink in the g2 compared sony's
The AI prediction is a nice advancement. At Pioneer, back in the good 'ol days of PDP, we had pixel shift tech, of course, which was marketed as a way to delay the chances of burn-in, but internally we referred to it as "just moving the problem around." 😀
That's a nice way to put it, and it's also true at the same time. These days they call it "mitigation strategies".
Ha ha ha, that's pretty funny : ) A good way of putting it.
Yet all these Reviewers constantly say "Turn off the LG Ai processing"..
@@loki76 The AI that dimms the subtitles, like in my 77 C1, is not the same IA as the IA Picture Pro.
What is PDP? Plasma Display Panel? XDDD Ooh, LG just could figure this out recently? I don't think I've had it on my B7V. xddd That's why Panasonic is the best? They know the tech. They have the experience. ☻ Why did you refer to it as "just moving the problem around." though? What problem has been moved that it caused another one? xddd
I bought a LG B7 in 2018. The burn-in examples at the beginning of the video are very real. It doesn't matter if LG improved their OLED panels by 30%. It doesn't matter that new OLED panels look better than LCD. I use my TV in a bright room, and I have to set the OLED brightness near the max level. I always prevent static logos to stay more than a few seconds. However, the burn-in is an accumulative effect. After a year of moderate use, I had burn-in in some areas. 2 years later, the screen degradation is awful. I'll never buy an OLED tv again, unless burn-in be 100% impossible to happen.
Display tech from 2018 is outdated now. More modern OLEDs don't demonstrate such burn-in usually.
@@RockinEnabled yes B7 is a lot older OLED improved so much now with burn in
Old OLED model + Bright room + Max level brightness. OK OK, burnin is normal !!...
I used a Panasonic plasma for 15 years and never got any burn in. I think the main reason was being aware of it and never letting the tv stay on with a static image. Plus, I’d enable the screensaver in every console and media player. After so many years, I was kind of hoping the TV would die but didn’t replace it until I got a 4K TV for free from a friend doing an upgrade. Still in perfect condition but the demand for 50” 720p plasmas is non existent at this point :) I can’t even give it away!
I've got a 1080p 42" inch Panasonic plasma. The picture quality is great, and I'm not in a hurry to upgrade. It's going to be 10 years old this year. I paid 600€ for it.
The speakers are bad and the components buzz, but the picture is great at HD. It's miles better than any LED TV that was at the market at the same time at the same price point.
My family's Sony 40" 1080p LCD TV was bought in 2007, and its speakers and audio quality are great. My family sees no reason to upgrade. The only downgrade is that it doesn't have an HD receiver, so if you want to watch TV in HD, you've got to buy an HD digibox.
I've thought about upgrading my TV for a couple of years, but I've decided not to do so until the TV bites the dust.
keep your plasmas guys, motion is reported to appear the best on plasma!
I have a 17 year old Samsung Plasma TV. Still displays an awesome picture. When I compare that to the new OLED display, I find the 1080p image displayed by the plasma screen more realistic. The image on the new OLED is not as realistic looking as one might think. What your eyes see in real life is not the same as what's displayed on an OLED screen. Overly sharp. My opinion, of course.
most people use OLED tv's as monitors. lots of static images to be had.
@@excitedaboutlearning1639
I have a 42" Panasonic, HD, (only 1080p) sitting in storage. Good TV when I had it. Screen unfortunately has a stupid blemish on it. ..
That aside, when I went from 1080p to 4k Resolution, & 4k footage... Good lord, what a night & day difference. Its was mind blowingly awesome & easy to notice.
Can’t wait to get the new 42” and use it as a monitor!
OLED gaming is like nothing else
Same
LG did say they were making a smaller 30 somthin inch or more high refresh monitor, but that was 4 months ago. So yeah, the C2 lookin like my next purchase unless the QD-OLED is that much better.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can't wait to use it as a tv since that will be the only one I could hopefully afford
Back in 2017 everyone was saying burn-in was no longer a thing, just like they're saying now. So I bought a C7, then 4 years later my oled has it, lol. Don't think I can ever trust this tech again, it's just too much money for only 4 years. It's beautiful, but it comes with a big drawback of unpreventable uneven wear, and you can baby it all you want, but it simply has a much shorter lifespan, and I don't think there's any trick that can truly prevent that.
I have said this a lot in Vincent's other videos, but he is awesome and know the technology in TV's probably as good as the engineers that design them for LG. I won't buy a TV unless he says its good. Gotta have the HDTVTest seal of approval or it's not going in my house. In fact, I already bought my LG C2 OLED 65 inch and hung it on my wall thanks to Vincent!
Please keep the videos coming man so I can buy more stuff! ROFL
Side question: what program is used for the graphics in this video (like highlighting text, the animation in the bars, texts popping in and out)? Is it Adobe After Effects or is there something simpler/other options?
Those were done using Davinci Resolve, our video editing software.
MSpaint
If burn-in is not a risk anymore why isn't it covered in the guarantee?!
It is still a risk. I have burn in on my C9 and LG won't cover it.
@@MichaelWalker-wu2pq older models are not. But the 2022 LG G2 has 5y burn in warranty.
Thank you for sharing this information with us. Really looking forward to your videos about the LG G2 with its heat sink panel.
Greetings
The clarification we needed. Thanks Vincent!
Let's hope the new 42" C2 will be as good as it seems. The new Alienware monitor will probably be so overpriced that the LG tv will look like a bargain next to it.
The 42in isn't getting the better panel from what I've seen.. Only 55in and up
Samsung is going to release a very similar monitor to that of Alienware which I don't think will be as overpriced.
@@numbone Did you actually watch the video?
Interesting video, just had my B7 replaced under warranty due to burn-in. This was caused while the Tv was in mute, with the mute logo burning in the three places it moves too, a feature designed to prevent this very thing from happening So my advice would be to turn it he sound down instead.
@@numbone 8:48
I have a 55 B6 with 14000 hours and no burn in. Used for games, movies, and TV pretty evenly mixed.
how can i See the Operating hours?
You are lucky then. I have the 65" (65B6) version and I have a big burned in area in the middle of the screen. In this area the colours are just weird :( Honestly, I was really disappointed, because the tv wasn't cheap (3k) and after 3,5 years (without gaming) normal usage this shouldn’t happen.
@@MertScorpion96 it’s in the “about this tv” tab in the general tab menu
14k hours? You got to pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers in this racket.
I had a 55" LG EC9300 OLED TV. It was LG's second year of making OLED TVs. I got it in May of 2015 and used it until May 2021. Probably 15,000 hours. I sold it to a friend in June when I got my Sony 55" A80J. It's still doing just fine with no trace of burn in.
Hey Vincent, how come under pixel cleaning you can click the ‘operate once when tv is off” and then it will say “scheduled” yet it explains no difference what leaving it as is vs scheduled means.. it would appear not until you “schedule” is pixel refresh on!!? One you click it and it says scheduled it’s not like it prompts you on when and what time .. nothing happens but it saying “scheduled”
*I have a 75 C1 with 4000 hours and I still think it’s doing a beautiful job I just hope it lasts thousands of more hours ? I was going to take it back to Costco because I noticed some weird black spots during transition to other scenes! Costco has a great customer service department and give some more time if your 90 days is up! Before they were strict on it I guess times have changed for the better*
Last TV I owned, I had for 10 years. Not intentionally, but it just wasn't in the budget. I've been holding back on OLED for this reason. I don't want my TV to become an "emergency expense". Need to see further testing but this looks interesting.
I bought one (65" C1) after keeping a 3D capable one for 10 years since I'm sure, no single thing we're watching on it (series for the kid, occasional gaming, documentaries) will account for more than e.g. 4000+ hours showing the same program with a constant screen (like in the test of a less well protected model with CNN running at max brightness for that many hours).
I only own OLED in my house, even if i got paid to use another technology i wouldnt. Its just so much better. For my living room ive had the LG 65" C7 since release. Did a test on it a few days and no retention on it. I run pretty high brightness. For my computer i use LG 48" CX which ive had for a year now running at 100% oled light. Computer on about 10-12 hours a day with websites up or gaming. No retention there either. Its really a safe technology right now unless ive been very lucky.
@@Avean is years 2 or 10?
@@Erowens98 My living room TV, C7 was bought november 2017 i see. My PC screen LG 48 CX only a year.
@@Avean there is another comment about a B7 having bad burn-in. The guy even gives up on OLED altogether because of that. Your experience is absolutely opposite wow.
It's never a right time to buy a TV is it?
There's always new tech around the corner, however some tech is more worth waiting for than others.
All I know is I'm getting an LG oled for gaming this year 👍
You can look at it the other way and say that it's always the right time, since something new will pop up next year anyway. But it's not like some new tech will make your current TV uglier... I'm still using LG C8 and I'm very happy with it, I plan to stick with it at least for the next few years. Would a 2022 TV look better? Definitely. But mine looks good enough anyway.
FOMO is a bad thing to have, you need to accept that no matter what you buy, there will be some new version releasing soon or your version will become cheaper. That's just the nature of tech, always has been.
Correct!
@@radosawskorupa3217 this. Very true
I bought a bargain 77C1 recently, so it has an evo/WBE panel and altough it has not unlocked the "brightness boost" like the G1 or C2, will the evo panel still be more power efficient and more durable on the C1 compared to WBC? :) Thanks
I bought an LG c9 back in 2020 and it took around a year of gaming with every screen saving setting enabled to get burn in. Now I have been watching movies and videos with the overlay from ARK survival evolved for over two years now and I am not sure I will ever buy an OLED again. Their were a lot of promises made at the time I bought my C9 and I am not impressed after paying so much for a TV.
I got a 55 inch c1 early last year for my office and just a few weeks ago i bought a 65 inch c1 for my man cave. The 55 is the old style panel while the 65 is an evo panel. The evo panel measures brighter than the older panel. I got 830 nits in the 10 % window stimulus on the 55 and 911 in the same window on the 65 evo. I know it’s not a huge deal but the evo is noticeably brighter.
I thought ONly G1's had the Evo panel?
@@chadsteitzer7279 newer C1s have evo panels
I just got my C1 65" and didn't get an Evo panel 😪
For your office? Damn, I wish I have a boss like that. All our computers are outdated and my boss doesn't like spending new equipment for the company. His reason is as long as it works, there's no reason to upgrade.
@@allpro7cf257 I’m my own boss and the oled hangs in my office for Netflix and gaming lol.
Vincent, please be sure to review 65” OLED televisions as they tend to have the worst uniformity issues. This will help give us an idea of which model to buy (EVO vs EX vs QD-OLED)
I have bought a second hand LG E6 65" (last 3D display from LG)for the 3D and it has burn in. I wanted to replace the panel but new panels are 2D only. What can I do with the permanent burning in red only?
Got a C1 55 inch with EVO panel yesterday. Love my first oled 😍
Hi. If a C1 has an Evo panel, does this mean the panel current wise is being driven in a more efficient manner or still the same as the older panel?
I would assume more efficiently because it has the same brightness level, while not having to be pushed as hard to achieve it.
One thing I noticed about my 77 C1, which has the EVO panel, is that it dimms the subtitles pretty fast, due to the benefits of the machine learning algorithm.
yes, less energy drain and a slower pixel degredation
Nice video! Could you maybe do same test on maybe smartphones in the future? They also got a OLED display. Could be interesting to compare tv OLED and smartphone oled!
Your dry humour gets me every time! :)
Can’t wait to get a 42”!! Will be my first OLED
Informative!!
The biggest argument to not buy oled are all these videos out there making lectures and conferences on how to avoid or minimize the risk of burn in. I just can't purchase a TV let alone for this price and leaving with the constant fear of burn in when watching or gaming: what am I allowed to look or play, how long am I allowed to etc
I agree it’s definitely annoying when they say don’t leave static hubs on well every single game has hubs so when LG makes these top features for gaming but then say don’t play for too long is def mixed signals because a gaming tv shouldn’t have a limit of what to play or for how many hours
Image Retention is a much less severe threat than in the past, Static Logo dimming, ABL Pixel refresh, if this isn't enough to reassure you then I'm afraid there's nothing that can be said to change your mind.
Whilst I don't think screen burn concern is warranted unless playing hours on end in Vivid mode for prolonged, you'd be better off buying a flagship LED TV if your concerns are that strong.
LED TV's have poorer black levels and less detail but would be more suitable in extremely bright viewing room conditions due to a full array back-lighting system.
The catch is slightly higher input lag on LED's compared to OLED's near instantaneous pixel response time.
Here's some suggestions:
Sony X90/X95J - class leading motion and low resolution upscaling, full array backlighting, 120hz HDMI 2.1 with 2 x HDMI 2.1 ports and Dolby Atmos / Vision for movie content
The X95J also has an AMAZING anti reflective layer and more dimming zones than the X90J.
Hisense U8G - full array backlighting, 4 hdmi 2.1 ports, 120hz panel, poorer motion and upscaling than the Sony BUT supports Samsung's HDR10+ in addition to Dolby formats, pretty irrelevant for gaming but still, a niche!
Samsung QN90/QN94A - 120hz, 1XHDMI 2.1, Mini LED and full array backlighting, No Dolby Vision or Atmos support.
Samsung are VERY aggressive with their Full Array Local Dimming algorithm will crush shadow detail to improve black levels.
Some people think blooming is a deal breaker above all else which is very primitive in my opinion, but if this appeals to you it's another choice I suppose.
Sony will have better motion handling but I expect Samsung's QN90/94A to perform better than the Hisense U8G on fast moving scenes.
@@Sh1bble If burn-in is no longer an issue these companies would warrant these displays against burn-in for their expected life (7 years or more). The fact that they don't just says to customers that it's something they do have to worry about and often isn't covered. If they want to alleviate concerns they should put their money where their mouth is.
LED TVs are better even in moderate lighting conditions. Even new QD-OLED panels can only reach 1/4rth the brightness of LED based panels.
"Whilst I don't think screen burn concern is warranted unless playing hours on end in Vivid mode for prolonged"
Given the brightness output of "Vivid" mode on a QD-OLED is only about 235 cd/m2, I'd say that's just about everyone that doesn't put their TV in a dedicated room with no windows.
"LED TV's have poorer black levels and less detail but would be more suitable in extremely bright viewing room conditions due to a full array back-lighting system.
The catch is slightly higher input lag on LED's compared to OLED's near instantaneous pixel response time."
LED TVs do not have less detail, that is just false. In fact depending on the subpixel layout, LED may appear more detailed. I know for a fact that QD-OLED has a subpixel layout that's suboptimal for anything regarding reading or desktop work.
LEDs also don't intrinsically have higher input lag. OLEDs have a faster pixel response time but that's only one component in the input lag chain. You also need to factor in processing time and refresh rate delay. In the PC space, OLEDs are beaten out in regards to input lag despite the higher pixel response times.
My parents bought a C8 65" in 2018. They haven't babied it at all, it frequently gets left on Sky News or music channels for hours. Subtitles are always enabled (but set to grey on the main profile) on Netflix etc. Every 6 months or so I check the picture with the full colour RGB etc screens. And to this day there is zero burn in. The EU models do not have anyway to view the total watched hours as far as I know, but this TV has been used for at least ~4 hours a day since late 2018, so let's say ~5000 hours.
@@giglioflex They don’t warranty against burn-in because if even 0.5% of all sets get burn in that’s a lot of money out of their pocket.
This is a non-issue for modern LG OLEDs. There’s simply nothing else to say. I’ve used an LG CX as a gaming PC monitor for almost two years, and I don’t have any burn in whatsoever. That’s close to 3,000 hours of use. And I play MMOs. Sometimes for 6+ hours at a time. Tons of bright static HUD elements on the screen. No burn in.
The only people hand wringing about OLED burn in are always those who don’t own OLEDs.
Hey Vincent . Quick Question if you see this. The C1 does not decode dts and you cannot pass it to your receiver . Some people are saying there is a way to pass it to a receiver using eARC . Do you have any knowledge of this and if so how do you do it?
I am interested in a TV for my new PS5, I was looking at LG C model's. In one of your video's you were talking about prices drop, so I would like you opinion show I wait for LG C 2 to drop in price or go for LG C 1. About the price drops Black Friday is the best time right?
Very informative! I really am curious if these new panels will also allow for less aggressive, or even removal of ABL. I bought a C1 and I loved it, except for that. And ultimately I returned it because it was just so distracting and ruining great HDR. Is it possible we will see any tv do that this year? My (limited) understanding is that the TVs need heat sinks to allow for no ABL. But again, I’m still very much learning.
I have the same TV. I was able to disable it through advanced settings
See, now I’m torn 😬 I’ve been looking to upgrade my 65” B6 for quite a while now and I currently can get a 65” C1 for £1390 (offer expires Feb 1st), or do I now wait for C2 with the potential of 30% brightness increase? Do you think entry price will be similar to that of the C1, so around £2500 for 65” ?
Entry prices of LG OLEDs will be same, if not cheaper if you look at the trend so far. Don't buy C2 day-1...you'll be able to get it much cheaper in just a few months time
How long have you used your B6? No burn in?
@@BrendanEvansX I’ve had it nearly 5 years now and yeah, I have burn in 😔 Mostly from when my kid was younger and was leaving a channel on pause that didn’t have a screensaver. By the time I realised what was happening, it was too late 🤦♂️ LG quoted me for a panel replacement last year but I think I’ll just upgrade the whole thing eventually when I have the funds
@@d3viluk damn dude I'm so sorry to hear that because I'm also thinking of getting an OLED tv soon but I'm mostly happy with my x90j from Sony. Do you think if you were more careful it wouldn't have burned in? And also how bad is it
Love your style, so funny and informative, but man bet you can't say 2022 10x fast! lol all love!
The choice at 5:45 minute can do the user. He can reduce the brightness.
I think the LG OLED screen is great because the panel could be very, very bright but it isn't. So I think it will not burn in.
Also I see a difference. My sister had an Samsung S4 and its burned in after 2 years. My wife has an iPhone X still today for 3 years. There is no burn in.
I always understand T-T-T-T-Two ...... Sounds sooooo cool 😁
It's going to be between the A90J and G2 this year, can't wait for the ultimate Shootout.
btw loved that Troll cliffhanger "coming soon"
I have an 83 inch a90j but I’d kill for that 97 inch G2. I feel like it’s going to be about $20k though, at least.
@@Bunbunnyart actually 25k is the price
Hello Vincent, what you recommend out of 55inch A90J or 65inch A80J?
Off topic question Vince, how often should I calibrate a LG C9 TV?
After a year now with my C9 i got the first mentionable burn in markings.
I use it on my desk for CAD and Games, YT and Films.
But mostly one Game.
So.. the burn ins are on the task bar, where i clearly see some ICONS poppin through.. And the Stats, Counter and Overview of this one mentioned game.
Its hardly to see in normal use, but on 1 color only pictures they really pop.
:/
What were your habits regarding the different good practices (no permanent taskbar, lvl of brightness, etc) ?
How much time approx would you estimate your play time?
:)
@@bobcoco6047 uhm.. alot?
i mean, to be fair. i use it so much i am kinda impressed the burn ins are so minor.
So i would still recommend this tv..
i also bought it for just 1.3k €
fair enough for the degredation.. as long it works and has no failures.
usage depends.. from 2- 12h a day
@@hanswurstusbrachialus5213 thx, & that's indeed another aspect I see, how bad the symptom really is, i.e would we still use it gladly after these burns, so that it would still be better than a new [any other type of panel]...
& funnily enough, the burns won't be any noticeable, when using the TV for the very same applications, such as the VG in question (or the taskbar to an extent), so... 😅
Hi, Vicent. I want to make you aware of a LG C1 (at least) problem. Maybe it is for burn in prevention? But is really anoying and I dont know how to prevent.
Hoping you to investigate it furthermore and maybe get a response from LG:
- Any dolby vision (noticed at Netflix TV app) content when you pause it time enough to turn on the clock of the energy saving, if you play again the content, the image come back very dark. Is easy to know it is dimmer than it should, because the menu of Nerflix, for example, become darker too. The only way to bring it back to normal is coming back to the app homescreen and playing the tittle again, or just pausing it for some seconds. Did you notice something like this before?
Update: In a single episode of 1 hour, I had to do this 4 times!! Even without sttoping the episode a single time. I tought it was only after the energy saving wallpaper, but no, it become darker even with the episode playing. It was already a very dark show, it turns in something just unwatchable sometimes (The Haunting of Hill House).
@Rhuann Lebid: Sounds like ASBL... you'll have to disable it in the service menu.
@@hdtvtest I'll search how to do it. It's very frustrating. Thanks for your time.
Nice cap, Teoh. Do you look forward to new regs this season? Also, thank you for your great content. I have learned a lot during the last few weeks since I have found your channel.
I just moved my 50" CX in to my studio office as my main PC monitor. Will move to a newer model when they release.
Question: does OLED panel refresh degrade the rest of the panel to accommodate the “burnt-in” areas or is the burnt-in area itself being driven harder to match its surroundings? Like how does it work?
I dont hope so. Cause i did one directly after buying my c1, cause it had two dimmer lines going from top to bottom.
I always heard it burns everything "down" to the burned in level..but that's just from internet hear say
like a grass maintenance machine
@@807D14M0ND5 I heard it adjusts the voltages on the pixels, but who knows
@@807D14M0ND5 True
The LG 77C1 has the EVO panel already, and I know some of the later MFG 55/65in panels were coming with them as well I believe. I confirmed my 77in has the EVO panel, don't get the improved brightness but at least in theory the panel should hold up better to burn in.
I brought a LG 65C1 last November is it safe to say I have EVO panel also because I feel like I should of waited for the C2
@@rashonkelly3598 I think all C1's have the EVO panel. They just don't apply the extra brightness.
That said, the LG G1 has an EVO panel and it has "20% more brightness". But in reviews the difference between the C1 and G1 was not very large. So a 30% increase over the C1 is probably not going to be all that noticable in most situation.
The C1 had a brightness of ~600 nits, where the G1 has ~720 nits. So the EX panels (which are EVO panels, but rebranded) probably have ~780 nits.
It will be interesting to see why LG has done this. Is this an answer to Samsung entering the OLED bunisess with their brighter OLED displays? OR have they seen that the 20% extra brightness on the EVO panels has no negative side-effects on lifespan so they can increase brightness further.
I hope the latter, because i'm expecting the LG G1 at my doorstep today
@@tharealmb thanks for explaining this to me definitely have a better understanding. I hope you get a good experience out of the G1 pretty sure you will take care buddy.
evo panel is overrated
Here's better analogy - it's harder to push you when you're big bulky man. Because heat is basically molecules movement, heavier means more stable at same temperature (because temperature and kinetic energy are basically the same and kinetic energy is E=1/2*mv^2 by increasing m you can decrease v resulting in same E).
At 3:00 What does the ''increased with 30%'' mean? Did they made the comparison against RGB, regular WOLED or did they compare to their EVO panel?
Nice review. I am glad there is something in the works to extend oled life span. I am used to Sony TVs non oled that last forever. My current model is a 32 inch Sony Bravia thats about 12 years old. Hasn't missed a beat. I would want an oled to follow suit if I were to buy one.
my god if anyone needs an upgrade its you friend
I was like you had a 2008 series 8 LED Samsung for 13 years. Upgraded to a Qled first, got blown away , then I got an OLED , got even more blown away and now I'm waiting for something good to upgrade. Maybe next year with a QDOled.
@@EBEDieandRetry lol my dudes still rocking the 32 inch tv from gen 0.5 lcd
@@EBEDieandRetry more power to you but when it comes to tech I just can’t wait that long.
@@intelligence6900I still use a 2013 Sony 1080p. Looks great. I'd like an upgrade, but at the same time don't need to drop $2-4k for my current usage. I tend to like to buy the top end model. Which means it lasts 10 years easily enough while still performing well, but it's a big decision to buy
Hey Vincent! Have you had a chance to test out firmware 3.25.10 on the C1 yet?
Yes. I hope Vincent looks over all these updates and if its been affecting brightness or not
@Ben yep. Maybe it hasn't released where he's at yet?
does the Panasonic LZ2000 do panel maintenance everytime it is turned off or do i have to activate it?...and if i do this often, will I reduce the lifespan of this tv?
Where can I find specs on the 2022 LG uhd lineup, for the entry models?
To early to call atm.
They will reduce the max brightness on the 42 and 48 inch C2 Evo panels to make them last longer, so that they are more usable as "monitors". That is my conclusion at least.
I thought i heard no evo for those 2 sizes
No
LG is NOT making "monitors" in OLED flavor. Stop calling the 42 and 48 displays "monitors" they are tv sized panels and LG only sells televisions (their monitors haven't gone oled yet, because wrgb is garbage for monitor use due to subpixel layout aka text looks like shit). ASUS may use those panels and sell "monitors" but they are still "televisions"
@@goblinphreak2132 I'm reading your comment on my 55 inch lg oled. text looks great
@@goblinphreak2132 Nobody calls them monitors mate. Read it again.
Sorry if I missed the point, but a majority of the change sounded like software (machine learning to improve algorithms) while the conclusion focused on hardware (the panel itself). Can the software portion of the improvements be rolled out to 2021 G1/Evo owners via firmware update? What are the odds of LG doing that?
@Braden Sheff: Unfortunately it's because of the software improvements (machine learning to predict OLED compensation) that hardware changes to the OLED panel (elimination of some sensing lines, resulting in higher aperture ratio) were made.
@@hdtvtest it says “ select “ C2 gets the alpha 9. Does that mean not on the 42”?? Thanks
What is the problem?
Man that Video Coming Soon video was fantastic. It sure beats the To Be Continue every time I watch One Piece.
How I must set oled care in my lg cs?? Pixel shift and logo brightness o’??
After getting email about TV panels,
LG and Sony: "Oh no, no, no, not him. Not Two-minute Teoh again."
imagine they are writing that in japanese to each other too 🤣
I found it interesting that LG's response to your email went from LG Ex to LG Evo... basically they forgot to completely edit their canned response?
@spasecookee: We emailed LG Electronics, the TV manufacturer who holds the trademark for "OLED evo", hence the response.
This is why i'm glad modern OLED TV is fixing this problem. Love my LG OLED C1 and i'm hoping to gettting an OLED TV for pc gaming.
Almost all C1 48" 77" 83" have evo panel
Will all C2s have the new panel? Or just certain sizes?
Direct comparison to QD-OLED would be interesting.
WRGB OLED from LG is essentially a layer of all red subpixels, another layer of all blue subpixels, and another layer of green subpixels. this makes "white". they then use really bad color filters to create red blue and green respectively, while leaving the 4th subpixel as "white"....
QD-OLED is simply the blue compound, all blue subpixels, and then using a layer of samsungs quantum dots to convert to color. which only lose about 5% light. where as the WRGB from LG uses typical color filters which lose upwards of 50% light output (hence the 4th white subpixel).
@@goblinphreak2132 Yes we get all that - but lets see real world tests - on stand media from - TV , SDR , to current HDR movies , to content the really pushes the BT. 2020 colour space . If I watch a movie - I do not watch it sub optimally - off access , sunlight streaming in , radio on etc . So all that about reflective screen, off access is totally 100% meaningless . Maybe even brightness is not that important - so leaving colour saturation and control QD-OLED can bring dark areas ( as no white ) - don't worry overly at burn in - My country protects my consumer rights & not a huge problem
You just explained how lg managed to make it 30% brighter , no real prove of making burn in less of a problem .
I was thinking of trying a vpn. However how does it work on a samsung q9 tv if at all ?
Amazing bar chart effects!
I'm curious about a burn-in test with games, and how it affects the picture (after all, if it dims a menu, it changes its intended rendering)
I’m sticking to my 1982 tube tv.
CRT tv's ftw
What would you suggest for a gaming TV in the 65-82" range? If $ wasn't a consideration
Hello Vincent. Could you tell me what the update was for the LGC755 today? I never can tell what it is. American version, if that matters. Thank you!
More durability and brighness are great, but making an OLED even thinner is just stupid...it is already very difficult to handle the bigger sized OLED TVs since there are so few places where you can actually lift them or swivel/tilt them...
İ cant watch. Oled tvs never burn again? 2022?
Good material, as usual. Although I was being distracted by the "tetytetytoo" all the time - took me a while to decypher it :p
i have a question so i recently bought a PS5 and i want to buy an OLED TV but im not sure if i should wait for LG new C2 TV or buy the C1 one thing is that i dont want to spend more than 1500 dlls (cant afford to spend to much money) so my question is is LG C1 good enough for the PS5 or should i wait for C2 to see price drops on C1 and also see specs of C2 and pricing?
C1 is perfect for ps5 👍🏻
Tututututu...
i am surprised you havent done a "best display settings" video when useing a graphics card to drive these oleds..would be awsum if you did!
THIS!
What about ABL. Auto dimming?? Can we switch it off??
ABL can't be switched of on any tv ! ... this is a hardware protection measure to prevent the tv from destroying itself.
ASBL on the other side CAN be de-activated ... but only on LG OLED tvs and Samsung's S95B (both through changes in the service menu) ... all other brands are not allowing to de-activate it.
Please could you make a video about black crush? And how to avoid it on oled? It's very bad whan you should see some details but it's all black.
My C9 has 3700 hours and still awesome, without any signs of burn in.
3700 hours is nothing. I do that in a year.
@@loki76 Ok
3700 hours? Basicly less then 6 months usage...
@@ruben7937 182 days in 6 months. 3700/182 = 20 hours per day. Who watches television for 20 hours per day, every day? How is that possible?
@@zzhoward Maybe people withou a job, like these guys above.
I really can't stand the auto-dimming feature on the C1. It makes any static elements with a gradient look really weird, so I decided to turn it off
I have a CX and hate auto dimming too. Almost returned the tv because of it
@@motomasterx5824 almost? so what stopped you?
I hope they fix the vrr flickering issues the C1 had.
I used to put UA-cam music ambience videos on my TV that would be themed such as coffee shop or fireplace at Christmas with some jazz versions of holiday music for an hour or 2 while reading or cleaning, but since I got my LG C2 oled, I'm worried that if I put these videos on I will ruin my panel. Does anyone have any insight, am I worrying too much?
my buddy has a CX and uses it as a gaming monitor...he played a ton of games like Destiny 2 and now has the weapon icons and super bar burned into his screen so i think OLED still is not a good advice for people who play a lot of games with static UI elements
That's basically it. They're simply can't withstand hardcore abuse. No OLED out there will be able to withstand the abuse I throw at it for its full lifespan. I'd be surprised if it'll even last more than 3 years before showcasing permanent burn-in. I have no problem recommending it to casual folks and whatnot, but it's still a massive problem for users like me. And heck, by the time I replace my TV around 2025 or so even LED will be practically indistuingashable from OLEDs anyhow outside of extreme test situations.
@@thenonexistinghero I have 0 burn on my 55 CX after 19 months. Everything set to 100. Ofc I take care of it , screen saver is always on if the screen is static for too long and pixel refresher. So I think his friend is doing something wrong. Also tv is on like 16 hours a day and using a 3090 and a PS5. So from a hardcore gamer it's got my approval. I just miss the days of Samsung where i took 0 care of my Tv, that's all.
@@biohead66 19 months is only a year and a half, that's nothing. Not a single OLED out there is capable of withstanding hardcore usage for the normal lifetime of a TV (7-10 years).
@@thenonexistinghero well the cx was released like 21 months ago so couldn’t test it further but still. Lg will increase the brightness by 30% because the current gaming oleds dont have burn in at all.
@@biohead66 i mean it comes down to what you play the most, my friend has over 2000h on Destiny 2 and has burn in...when you play a lot of different games it shouldn´t be a problem but if you play one game daily with HDR you can get burn in very fast sadly
Engineer: "Customers are not buying so many TV's now we have less screen burn"
LG Boss: "Increase the brightness so that they start burning in again"
@HDTVTest - I am confused. Is 2021 Evo panel = 2022 Ex panel ? If not, what is the actual difference ?
I’m super confused about that too with you and now with the new C2 and G2 series only says EVO doesn’t even mention EX anymore ? Smh
can you please share the sound effect pack you're using in you videos
I owned two LGs and One Samsung oled TV and they all had burn-in. I only watch movies and tv shows on netflix and do not do gaming. Stay away from OLEDs!
I took back 2 oled TVs (C1 and A80J) before settling for an X90J. Why? Because the grid issue on the LG was very distracting when looking at a bright sky (which most games have) and the Sony had these 2 lines going down the middle of the screen about 2inches apart (this occurs I think on every A80J but most people probably don’t care). It was really bad for games though via certain coloured skys etc. until these issues get sorted I don’t care how bright the brights get and how black the blacks get, the X90J hasn’t given me any of these issues so I’m sticking with lcd for a while
Agree, I had two LG G1’s with a 2-inch bar going down the right middle of the screen. Just could not live with It, went back to my Sony XF9005.
Just curious, what were the screen sizes of the OLEDs?
Customer from hell
@@ralphmills1361 both 55
@@ArtVandelayOfficial maybe 😆…but for 1.5k I don’t want the grid stuff which is pretty common I’ve seen in the blogs, if I’m looking outside at the sky I don’t expect to see weird lines and if I do I’m going to the doctor. A TV is supposed to be clean at the very least and this isn’t a banding issue that can go away, it’s something built in hardware wise.
One thing I noticed about my 77 C1, which has the EVO panel, is that it dimms the subtitles pretty fast, due to the benefits of the machine learning algorithm.
I thought last year's EVO panels were only available on G1 models.
@@canadian97 no, it's been in most if not all 77" and 83" C1's from the start. Sony's as well. The other sizes were a mixed bag for a while
@@csi2448 Oh, thank you for the information.
Ya but, what about if I have the TV on for about 18 hours/day, 365 days/yr. ? And, sometimes the kids or grandmom leaves it on with a video paused or whatever and we leave and come back 9 hours later to see it still paused? Is an LED/OLED/WLED/QLED better or should I just go with an LCD (QLED?)?
I should hope so because my LG E7 and C9 are noticeably brighter than 2020 and 2021 LG OLEDs and also have less ABL and higher APL.
Exactly.. LG OLED is just treading water. C9 was brighter than all recent OLEDs except the G1 from LG.
The sound effects are cute ;).
A guy saying something is cute? Eh
@@DETERMINOLOGY Yeah, so? Your comment doesn't make sense.
@@videosbymathew That's kinda sus
@@DETERMINOLOGY Bot? Troll? Test test.
@@videosbymathew Let me put it to you in a different way. Its sus for a guy to say its cute. Females or want to be females say that. Simple
Well, as far as I know only the G2 will use OLED EX Panel while the C2 is gonna use the Evo Panel from the last year.
Exciting times, Vincent! I'm thinking this might be the year to replace my 10+ year old 32'' LED LCD. Been subscribed to your videos for over a year now and I'm getting closer to making the buy! Keep the reviews coming!!
I'm waiting for the QD-OLED to be a decent price. I think OLED is great, but I'm so afraid of burn in. I want my tv to last a long time. Otherwise i would've bought a new tv a few years ago.
QD-OLED is going to be expensive in the beginning, so i wonder how many more years i have to wait. 😂
2 mins Teoh! 😂😅
Samsung QD-OLED is where's it's at...No burn in, more accurate colors, way brighter than even these new LG panels.
and more than double the price
@@dante19890 We don't know pricing yet overall, but it should be competitive with LG OLED pricing I hope..
@@luis-ciphermstar6597 it wont be anywhere near competetive with something like the C series. IT will be beyond a90j priceing. Its new nech and u gonna pay out of ur ass to get one year one.
@@dante19890 That may be true, but fingers crossed.. My point is, I'm not buying any LG OLED, got rid of the new one I just bought because I was unimpressed with it other than black levels, even after calibration. Hopefully the prices end up decent, but I won't know until they give me my dealer pricing. Cheers
@@luis-ciphermstar6597I wouldnt be suprised if the 65 inch qdoled would be around 5000. For a first generation product with low yields I would say its not terrible.
Did you checked that sony will be using samsung display panels with qd oled branding ? . normally that's their response to the lg EX . Samsung has now advertised at ces their quatum dot oled display.
Do you have a video about banding talking about how widely spread it is? It seems to me there are almost no TV screens above 50 inches that don't have it.
I don't care about how much brighter they get. I care about not having ABL so it doesn't pull me out of my immersion when watching media. Not a huge issue to many people but I would rather have a C1 from 2021 without ABL than a C whatever from 2022 that is 30% brighter.
ABL?
usually a brighter panel will trigger abl less. U can also set ur displays brightness to under the abl threshold and it wont kick in.
@@Xolition ABL = Auto Brightness Limiter. When you watch a movie or a tv show and suddenly a bright scene pops up (60% or more of the screen is bright) it will automatically dim and to me is very noticeable and pulls me out of the immersion.
@@dante19890 Sure but I don't buy a $1000+ TV to set the brightness super low. I want to enjoy the TV and for that I want it at a decent brightness. Just waiting for an OLED without ABL and I will be golden.
I've got an LG C7 from 2017, burn in is extreme and I only used it for normal TV viewing, I have sensitive eyes and don't like ultra bright displays, so I purposely turn the brightness way down, which I thought might help prevent burn in, also I was careful not to leave it on in set top box menus or anything, I'm disgusted at the level of burn in, it's now showing a faint thick green horiz line right across it. After spending £1500 on it I will NOT be trusting an OLED going forwards - remember when buying a TV was a once in 15 year thing!?
I have the C7 as well and have already replaced the panel (thank you, Costco extended warranty!). I'm thinking this panel probably only has another couple of years left in it, but the picture quality is so good I'm absolutely going to replace it with another OLED (with the extended warranty :D )
it's your fault for buying an oled tv so early. go ahead and buy a qn90b now
the c7 looks to be common for burn in issues you are the 3rd person on here who mention this but the cx and up seems to be fine
@@lefteris19 Don't be naive and stupid, OLED technology in phones has been around commercially since 2003 (GSMArena article), and in TV's since 2007 (Sony XEL-1)! Are you trying to tell me 10+ years on the market is too early!? "Go ahead and buy..." - Well I thought I made my point - After pouring £1500 down the drain on a fundamentally flawed technology only 4 yrs ago. How about NO.
I still use a 65in b7a… works perfect zero issues
Thanks for the video. No word of new 3D TVs yet ?