We've noticed that there might be some some confusion surrounding how some TVs have a manual setting while we say in the video that they don't. From what we've found, these cycles that _can_ be triggered manually from the TV settings (LG - Pixel refresher / Sony - Panel refresh / Samsung - Pixel refresh) are considered to be "long" compensation cycles. While some of them include voltage shift adjustment like we discuss in this video, their main purpose is to work on the EL Degradation (at least from what we understand so far!) One last note: LG calls the long and short cycle the same thing and the feature is related to whatever the internal processor is and what cycle it's on. The only way to tell the difference if it's long or short is the duration. One menu will say 10 minutes and the other will say 1 hour!
It must to run actual garbage on your TVs right? The most BS news channels in the world cnn. I know this is not politics, but my god, I will vomit your whole yt channel. How sb can even watch a disgusting sht like this?
From physics V=IR. As oled pixel degrades, resistance "R" increases, hence Voltage "V" will have to increase by a proportional amount to maintain the same current "I."
correction, the new LG EX panels from 2022 only take 10 minutes to perform the full pixel refresh, older LG OLED panels took one hour. This is separate from panel compensation which occurs after four total hours. Also, the automatic pixel refresh on older panels occurred every 2000 hours, on newer ex panels it occurs every 500 hours. Your confusion about the menu is because of two panel types being in production in 2022. E.g. my 83" C2 is the older panel type so Pixel Refresh is 1 hour every 2000 hours. Visit AVS Forum for more info.
I have 990 hours on lg c2 and have never seen it do a short compensation cycle. I've never heard a click or anything that ppl said to look for. I don't want to run a manual cycle since I heard it's not good to do often.
Except this error impacted buying decisions of consumers across the world and misrepresented the products being tested. There also hasn’t been an update in 7 months, letting this incorrect info sit for an inappropriate amount of time.
@@callouu3601guess you weren’t paying attention to the video. The Sony OLEDs have already suffered permanent burn in. The Samsung OLEDs barely even run compensation cycles due to buggy software implementations and are also more prone to burn in than the LG OLEDs. So RTINGS conclusions from months ago were still accurate in the larger sense.
Mistakes and self inflicted mishaps are all part of epic quests such as this so I’m glad that they are included in the story. The journey is just as important as the destination. Well done!
The cost is almost equal if you’re comparing OLED to flagship LCDs. It’s not that crazy anymore. If you’re comparing OLED to a Vizio LCD or Westinghouse, then I don’t know what to tell you 😂
@@garrettstrutz7421they don’t. Only reason one might say this is because you’re not looking at them side by side, but there’s a pretty big difference, especially when compared to QD OLED.
@@brokenwrench404 Hes exactly comparing it to the trashbin cheap LCDs. You get older model OLEDs for well under 1000 USD/Euros. How much cheaper do you want them to be? You wont get an OLED for 150 bucks. Get real and if you dont even have 600 bucks for a new TV, you probably will use for 10+ years, it is the least of your concerns...
Spreading incorrect information that would "hurt" (this time a brand), and just say "which we were wrong 😅", seems not fair to me. Let's give a proper apology man 😂
RTings is doing God's work. I'm not aware of anyone else IN THE WORLD who is doing such comprehensive, long-term testing to help people figure out what they're actually getting when they pay for a modern TV. Great job, team!
So this finding is very interesting. It also explains why "burn-in" was so pronounced on those OLEDs that were used in airports that were running 24/7. They never had any compensation cycles at all.
This video just saved my OLED! I bought a 42" Sony A80K to be used as my PC and console gaming monitor. After only having the TV for 2 weeks and playing ~8 hours of Starfield a day, every day, with custom HDR settings and noticeable peak brightness, the Starfield HUD appeared to be permanently burnt in to my display. On any sort of grey background, the HUD was clearly visible. I figured this was permanent burn-in as the image retention showed 0 improvement and did not even slightly fade away in about 6 weeks since. I made sure to leave the TV off for 6+ hours every day as this should trigger the short compensation cycles, I ran multiple "Burn In Fix" videos on UA-cam for hours on end every few days, I made sure to watch/game varied content, and I even ran the Sony "Panel Refresh". Nothing improved the burn in at all. I just tried the manual short compensation cycle highlighted near the end of the video, and now the image retention has COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED. Not even a faint outline can be seen even on 1% grey scale backgrounds. Simply remarkable, THANK YOU RTINGS! Though this all but proves that my TV has not run a single short compensation cycle since I first bought the TV in July. Any ideas why that is, and if there's anything I can do to fix it? If I have to manually trigger these compensation cycles every few days, so be it, but I would obviously prefer if the TV did this automatically like it is supposed to!
@EccentricMeat have you experienced any more imagine retention or burn-in during the 8 months since? How do you like the A80K as a gaming monitor? I’m debating between a less expensive Sony X85K or going all in with an LG C series or Sammy S90 series for a gaming screen…
@@Marc.Google zero image retention issues since! I had to keep manually triggering a short compensation cycle for weeks, until I decided to just run a software update on the TV. Since the update, the short comp cycles have triggered automatically as expected and I haven’t had to run a manual cycle since. I absolutely love the 42” A80K OLED as a monitor and I don’t think I can ever go back to LED
@@sudd3660 it's just a way of saying, equivalent of "people". Check the cambridge dictionary result on "guys". you can even say "guys" to a group of girls, it doesn't matter it's what we call in french the "gender neutral masculine" so to speak as let's not confuse language vs speak & intentions of the speaker
Shout out to y'all(RTINGS) for addressing a mistake y'all made during testing. Also, I agree with Abby, ALL of the big companies(Samsung, Sony and LG) need to be more transparent about how long their automatic pixel cleaning cycles run after powering off the TV instead of ballpark estimates. Also, if I'm paying over a $1000 on a TV, can you make it easier to show how to protect my investment cause going through all of those hoops on the Sony TV was ridiculous.
They aren't upfront about such features because it would make it a lot harder to gaslight people into thinking that OLED burn in has been completely eleminated. It's wild how many people try to tell me that my own eyes haven't seen what they've seen. That only happened yesterday. OLED looks better, but there being an entire "panel care" menu makes my point in a dramatic way.
All I can say is, that I used a LG CX 48" OLED for about a year or 1500-2000 hours (I used it a lot per day for gaming and surfing). And I currently use a C2 42", also about a year now for again gaming and surfing with about 1500-2000 hours now. In the meantime the LG CX is used as a TV in the livingroom now. I use it for a long time before turning it off. The only burnin prevention method I use are the buildin ones like pixelshift and darkmodes. I didn't change my desktop or desktop-background in any way. Both OLEDs show no burnin or image retention.
RTings is truly exceptional! The dedication and honesty you bring to your content are truly commendable. It's refreshing to see a channel like yours that prioritizes transparency and authenticity. Your commitment to delivering high-quality, informative, and genuine content sets a remarkable example for others in the UA-cam community. I wish more UA-cam channels would follow your lead and uphold the same level of integrity. Keep up the fantastic work!
Anyone working in that warehouse seeing hundreds of CNNs all day must be so sad. Not saying that politically, but news is just so depressing in general. Its all negative, nothing positive ever gets covered.
My LG C2 OLED has a permanent UA-cam and a permanent Fox Sports logo burnt into the screen and no amount of screen refresh will get rid of it. I only watch Fox Sports for a few hours every few weeks when the formula one is on. I only really notice it when certain colours are displayed on the screen like white or yellow.
When I got to the Panel care settings on my S95B I can clearly see pixel refresh and it gives me a option to start now. Then the screen turns off and a cycle starts.
I waited until prompted by my S95b last night to run a pixel refresh. I've had it 11.5 months with an average if 6 hours per day of mixed usage.I've just just run some HDR10+ content, and it looks tremendous. I'm convinced the picture performance is even better than when it was new.
AWESOME!!! One thing that is disturbing about OLED TVs .. is all this complexity. Premium TVs should not have these kinds of headaches. Sony is having lots of problems with their OLED TVs, I hope they are paying attention and take some action. LG seems to be doing a good job on image retention, but whole columns of faulty pixels isn't reassuring. And there was no updated on the LED TVs in the test this time. Does that mean no news .. is good news? Or, there wasn't enough tine to get to them?
We're aiming to try and clear up some of that complexity with these videos! We had a lot to say for OLEDs so it was partially a time thing, but stay tuned for future videos including LED news!
Yes, long winded but a LOT of very important information. Well done. So far I think my choice of the LG C2 was good. I like what it can do with old SD content.
If TV experts can’t figure out how to run the OLED pixel cleaner, because it’s buried in an obscure menu, then I don’t know how Sony expects a typical end user to be able to find it. LG definitely got this feature right because the pixel cleaner runs automatically on my LG C1. Also, I really appreciate that RTINGS admitted to their mistake, if you even can call it that given that, given how buried this feature is on the Sony.
It is not an "automatic" tool that run in background while tv is shut up more than X time? If so, let's say that for a "normal use" each time you go sleep or during the shift works it should be able to handle it by itself so the need to "find" the manual option on the settings should not be needed 😅
The typical end user ISN'T supposed to find (nor use) the feature, and neither are tech nerds, really -- if it runs properly on schedule there's no benefit to running it manually, so the only thing that truly matters IMO is that it handles it in a correct way automatically.
Sony doesn't expect the user to find it. The option is in the retail mode. I think that is the mode the TV is supposed to be on in the store. I would never turn that on when experimenting, after a bad experience of not being about to turn off a demo mode on a 1980s TV.
I think you can see the reflection on the screen warp at 10:57 as it heats up performing the pixel clean process. Amazing video as always, in depth, enjoyable, well researched, and well presented. Thanks RTINGS team!
Personal experience of OLED means I won't be having another one. I'm on my third panel (for the same TV). Yes, it's an LG B7, and yes I am sure this generation was more prone to burn in - but once bitten, twice shy. I spent, at the time 1500GBP, and it's been far from a premium experience.
@@gamenerd5665 Funny, when I bought my C7 they said the same thing. They said it was just the old OLEDs that had a problem, you don't have to worry about it with these new models. Every year it is the same story. Sorry but not falling for it a second time. OLED tech is not built to last and no amount of pixel shifting or refresh cycles will change that, it will only make it last a little longer.
While I'm aware that Image retenion isn't permanent, after seeing it on my TV for 12 hours, I lost trust with my LG C1 and went back to my old TCL. Sure the C1 is objectively a better TV than my TCL 617, however the stress from using the C1 is too much for me.
I'm not even surprised anymore by how poor the quality of very expensive products is nowadays... it's worse than a joke... it almost seems like they don't even bother testing them, they just reword the website descriptions and sell it... unacceptable for the price of those things!
Glad to see my LG C1 is a great monitor replacement as it was built to be, very consistent performance with heavy usage and the panel being turned off every night from 10pm-1am ish , and only turned on the next day around 9am (most of the times at night after work), definitely didn't go wrong with the C1
I have image retention around the edges of my LG B6 from using it to watch UA-cam, and even though it has the pixel refresher option in the menu and I've run it several times, it's not going away. Maybe the pixels are actually dying. Either way, now I'm much more conscious of it and use the live zoom feature to zoom in if there are going to be static elements on the screen like that.
LG continues to show time and time again that they are the best to make OLED TV's with good burn in prevention algorithms, failsafes and good intervals of compensation cycles for image retention. They might not have the best TV's for movies because Sony TV's have better image processing in general and Sony&Samsung use QD-OLED panels which have better colors and higher brightness than most WRGB OLED's from LG (LG G3 are the exception), but because of how good they hold up in your tests, I would still go with LG.
Its because of these tests that I stay clear currently of QD-oled. I really like sony, but im not going to pay all that money for an increased risk of burn-in. If the increased QD burn in wasn't there, id buy the sony a95L
My last TV was an OLED and will not buy another one. The picture is superior, but short lived. First I started noticing brightness uniformity issues with certain shades of gray (vertical lines, got worse after pixel refresh cycles) after about a year. Then after 3 years the burn-in started to show, but wasn't too noticeable because I would only see it when there was a solid red, purple, or yellow background like in some games. Now at 5 years old the burn in can't be ignored. There are some areas where there was a static image (UA-cam logos mostly) but also a big area in the center which there was not. I'm sure some people will blame me because I used it as a computer monitor sometimes and that leads to static images, but I think the tech is fundamentally flawed. Imagine if there was a car with the best fuel efficiency, best acceleration, best control, etc. The only catch was that every time you drove it at a constant speed, the engine would slowly destroy itself. That is how I feel about OLED tech. Needless to say, I wasn't about to fall for it again so I just got a QLED for significantly less than an OLED and am very happy with it.
@@RandomGreenFishPhone which tv brand/model did you have the issue with? I went with a QLED as well…Samsungs QN90C to be specific as I’ll mainly use it for gaming. This video review helped me decide: ua-cam.com/video/--PrZfDIj-o/v-deo.htmlsi=aMxUBeP2rH1rAj7n
I'm thinking of buying an oled tv in 2024. I'm not too worried about burn in, cause I don't watch the same content or have static images on screen for very long. What I am worried about is the tv wearing out faster than a LED tv. The tv will most likely be on for about 8 hours a day. I would hope to get at least 5 years out of the tv.
My LG CX burned in after 2 years. Always, all screen protections were on. I always made sure to run the 5-6 minute pixel refresher every 4 hours. I always made sure that the 1 hour pixel refresh went through properly. And it still burnt in! Plus it was getting more and more dead pixels! All this NOT with static TV watching, but with gaming and not the same title, but different single player games. Sorry to say that, but OLED is a huge disappointment.
@@gamenerd5665 No! Never! After about 2000 hours of operation, the CX told me not to unplug it, because it would refresh pixels. It always went through fine.
@@tomtube1012 they either assembled in eastern europe or mexico, there is little to no qc there, as long as it works it works, and they always use cheap capacitors on their psu's and motherboards
I bought an OLED in 2018 after claims from LG and reps at the retails store that burn in was "no longer a problem." After about 3.5 years of use I started noticing minor burn in but it quickly got much worse. Now it is so noticeable that it is too distracting and just like the OLED manufacturers wanted, I needed a new TV after 5 years. While doing research I noticed that the OLED marketing is the same, still claims that burn in used to be a problem but is no longer a problem. I will admit, it does appear that it is getting better (comparing the longevity tests on rtings between the older models and the newer ones) but is still not solved completely. Because of this, I decided to stay away from OLED and went with the TCL Q7 because it seemed to be the best bang for my buck. It is definitely not as good as an OLED for black levels, viewing angle and screen glare, but comparing the picture quality side by side I would say it is about 85% - 90% as good of a picture for about 1/3 of the price. Plus I don't have to worry about leaving a static image there accidently.
Sounds like what other technology manufacturers would say in their keynote speech, when trying to steer audience's focus away from OLED Which LG OLED model it was? I have the LG OLED C8 which has not shown any retention yet.
I have 55C7P. If you go to LGs page for that TV and read some of the more recent lower star review, you will notice that burn-in appears to be a fairly common complaint. I would imagine that the other technology manufacturers are bringing that up because burn in is still a problem. I think it is telling that burn in is not covered under warranties for their TVs. I see that some of their gaming monitors do cover it under warranty for two years which gives me hope that progress is being made, but this could be because monitors are usually more expensive than tvs and they have a higher profit margin to cover replacing the panel if it burns in after only two years. Also I didn't notice burn in until after 3 years of use, so until OLED manufacturers cover burn in for 5 years to back up their claims, I am staying far away.
My LG OLED C1 (which the chart at 09:15 says C1 doesn't have manual cycle option) has a "Pixel Cleaning" function under "Support" - "OLED Care" instead of "General" - "OLED Care". However, the help text says this is a 1-hour cycle, instead of the 10-minute cycle mentioned in this video at 10:53. It also mentions there maybe a white line appearing on screen during the process. So, is this a "long cycle" different from what's mentioned in this video?
I'd like to know too. Currently experiencing burn in or maybe it's screen retention from playing BF2042. I can see a shadow of the primary weapon bow and health bar on blue screens.
I have an LG C2 that I use as a monitor and multi-use, I recommend turning on automatic brightness and OLED Care, this will make the useful life much longer, including your eyes as above 300nits it is not safe to stay for a long time! In movies and games I never use brightness above 65, I even use the HDR calibration recommended by PC experts. By Cyber Brazil!
Thanks for the update! Compensation cycles make me want an OLED even less. I leave my LCD on for many more hours than that during the day and night. But it's interesting to see which TVs fair better over the many months.
OLEDs burn out, there is literally nothing that can ever be temporary about it. The only way to combat that is to gradually adjust each pixel to the same brightness making it seem like nothing goes on. If you can't make it, fake it. :)
THIS is the information customers need. TV manufacturers treat their customers like idiots most of the time and don't give us the information we need to make an informed purchasing decision or properly maintain our tvs, but YOU do. That's why I referenced your reviews when I bought my last 2 tvs and will do so again in the future. Keep it up!
This video showed me that quality and long term reliability is 1000% LG at the top. They had zero issues with a tv dying AND they’re compensation and pixel cleaning ACTUALLY WORKS LIKE IT SHOULD. Shocker. So I’ll be buying the LG B3 77” Black Friday 😊😊
The tv will behave differently when it’s on the power non stop this test does not prove anything on how long the tv will last you ext.. Not real world use.. I have my tv on 10 hrs give or take every day model SONY A80J 77” Oled going on the second year working flawlessly. But I appreciate time and effort you guys put in testing.
Samsung isn't doing this accidentally or through some casual lack of care. They _literally have a policy/philosophy_ about minimizing, as much as possible, what the end user can do to enable important features or disable annoying features. Their QLED models, for example, provide absolutely no means of permanently disabling crosshatch dithering, vertical dithering, or their infamous global dimming system. Not even in the service menu. The entire point of this philosophy is that the end user is too dumb to be given access to anything that might ultimately render a less oversaturated, black-crushed image, and this philosophy obviously extends to anything that might pose some kind of danger to the unit.
These updates are brilliant. On a personal level I would love to see more alienware aw3424dw/f / monitor updates. Still enjoying my alienware aw3424dwf and use the image clear up when prompted
Yeah, my dw (not f) monitor died on me after 6 months so I got a replacement monitor. New one had newer firmware and have worked better but not flawlessly. I love the monitor but im not sure I can trust it 100%.
Looking into buying an OLED display for gaming/multi use on PC. But it's unlikely to be a TV. Would be nice if the model i got had the manual trigger. But otherwise i expect having it on most of a day and having it off while i sleep should be enough for it to do it's 'thing'. But this video has no information for PC display brands such as asus, acer and aorus.
samsung is trash across all products, hardware spam they cant support. all flagship hardware i have like soundbar, g7 monitor, tv ... they have firmware issues. g7 monitor has issues with some patterns and input switching (takes 30-60 seconds!), soundbar had rear issues, tv never received promised eARC and refused to turn on sometimes, needed to pull the plug. they didnt bother to update firmware in time but released few more gens meanwhile. lets not talk about their smartphones, pure horror if you are an advanced user. LG monitor and old OLED (b6d) never had issues.
I have an LG CX 55 in my bedroom for 4 years. Got a 77 c1 in my living room about 3 years ago. This year I got a 77 g3 in my man’s cave . Till now not a single tv has imagine retention and I didn’t have any issues at all 🎉
Amazing work. Eager to see the next round of results comparing the S95C and G3. Putting off my purchase until I know where I'm going to get best and most reliability.
You can learn some good things about OLED, only when you have a first gen OLED for almost 7 years? And your Mother watch the same channel more than 12 hours at day, every day, from when you took it at home the first time. 0 Burn In on a 7 years old OLED that work flawless more than 12 hours a day.
@@furaxrital I use my TV a lot on a daily basis. I don't leave it on when I am not using it or anything irresponsible like that though. I have had the TV since the day it came out.
Thanks for all this! Welp! if I ever buy an OLED it will certainly be a LG. But I won’t be buying any Samsung with all these internal failures. So it’s Sony LED or LG OLED for me.
A product review, critical thinking, and honesty tutorial all in one. RTINGS is answering the question - "How do you know what is true?". If only mainstream news operated the same way instead of chasing "balance". We should encourage our children to watch RTINGS to demonstrate this distinction.
The bad news is...QD-OLEDs have more burn in with major abuse. With the lack of a white sub-pixel, my QD-OLED has burn in and my W-OLEDs don't. Someone in my family abused the S95B and it has a permanent Samsung and Prime Video burn. It takes a crapload to burn in an OLED but, you can easily if you are a clown. QD-OLEDs especially. The A80K isn't well made. These tests are not real world as well. It's like running a car for 10 years or running a car for 15 hours a day at 120mph with poor gas and no oil changes for a year. (Although cars with more use do better.) Screen optimizers almost do nothing after the damage is done.
Good to know comp cycles only affect tft layer retention and aren't linked to permanent retention from oled degradation. But still unsettling to know these comp cycles are buggy. My c7 went through a period where it just kept clicking off straight away and I worried the comp cycles weren't running. Did a factory reset and the clicks were after 5 minutes of off time again after 4 hours. I noticed another temporary bug with my c2 recently where the screen wouldn't dim down after a few mins if I left a static screen up. Not as worrying as I'm not in the habit of leaving static screens up and it fixed itself the next time I turned on the TV. But the coding for these types of TV operations need to be rock solid and they obviously aren't. Glad Rtings are raising awareness around these issues. I wonder if there are tvs out there that have been returned or discarded not because of user abuse but because these comp cycles weren't doing their job reliably
I have been using the 65 inch S95B for a year now for gaming and tv/Movies and so far its been spectacular and has no sign of image retention or burn in. Im very careful with static images always gaming with no HUD if possible or transparency which i prefer for the emersion aspect but at least so far its been fantastic and still looks good as new. I will say though my S95b is not used anywhere near as much as a monitor would be as during the week both me and my partner work so it gets a lot of hours per week unused which I imagine also helps a great deal. After 4 hours of use you hear a second click after going on standby where the compensation cycle starts so its clear its running correctly.
My parents G2 has somehow got loads of screenburn. Feeling the TV it always appears very hot and after doing some research that's due to the brightness of the TV. Knowing that's their flagship model I won't be going to LG
I would just prefer a tech where we don't have to even think about retention or degradation over time. OLED still sits in my mind that the day you first turn it on is the best it will ever look and its a slow downhill from there.
I have Rick Astley burnt into my retinas. I don't think it's just temporary image retention in this case. 8:17 Wait. It wasn't actually Rick Roll? I thought this was just a click bait thumbnail. This is great!
Owning an OLED is a stressful endeavor, the wear is inevitable, the "maintenance" is maddening and borderline psychotic, I don't like to worry about my TV or any appliance beyond basic common sense care. I chose local dimming LED based LCD TVs and I'm pleased with the PQ + features. No burn-in, no worries.
@makoto5280 I ask the same, what LED LCD did you own? I guess we chose what's best for each. But since you want to know about stress, please look this up: unlike CRTs and Plasma, both display technologies that also suffered from potential burn-in, OLED decays by cumulative wear over time, it's inevitable. CRT/Plasma did not have cumulative wear (all displays have some wear coefficient), but because of OLED's organic nature, the wear is much faster/higher and uneven across the panel, depending on use, it's cumulative and progressive. In time OLED panels will experience color shifts (sub pixels decay unevenly, blue being the first one), uniformity issues and botches of areas worn out even if a defined burn-in issue was avoided by constant maintenance or care (by the user and automatic by the TV). I'll take a slight less deep black, contrast ratio and pixel response time with a [high-end] LCD TV, than a OLED TV with a coefficient of wear similar to vinyl records. It's a fact, you do what you do.
So always? OLED is organic LED, it is eventually going to burn in. Every second an OLED pixel is on, that’s a second off it’s lifespan. I’d be happy with it last at least 4 years, maybe 5. That’s more than enough for a big jump in TVs. But OLEDs are not gonna last 10+ years for anyone but the most casual of viewers.
The Sony compensation cycle does not run if you turn tv off with 3rd party remote or via HDMI-cdc... i get a warning about it every time i turn tv on now
I absolutely LOVE RTINGS! the incredible work in your tests and the great presentation of the results. Thanks for sharing this information with the community (And I'm so happy to have gone with a LG C1, I have it for almost two years and still looks perfect
My LG cx has none. And i used it brutally for 2 years. Constant 6 - 10 hours of playing or watching in hdr. Edit: my tv is calibreted to 100 nits in sdr with calman tho. So it must be a factor too
@@beetleburper9440 They improved some things in the c3 and G3, those would be more ideal, just make sure to buy a store warranty for OLEDs is usually my suggestion
thought that SONY was the king, but no, it is the one that does the worst and in this test it was the one that did the worst, with two televisions that died, there is SONY, it is just overpriced, all my televisions are Sony how awful
Would love to see an update on the OLED monitors. Specifically the Alienware. I'm on my second one now and it's already getting permanent burn-in for the second time. It seems like the compensation cycles work for a while and then they stop working or something.
We've noticed that there might be some some confusion surrounding how some TVs have a manual setting while we say in the video that they don't. From what we've found, these cycles that _can_ be triggered manually from the TV settings (LG - Pixel refresher / Sony - Panel refresh / Samsung - Pixel refresh) are considered to be "long" compensation cycles. While some of them include voltage shift adjustment like we discuss in this video, their main purpose is to work on the EL Degradation (at least from what we understand so far!)
One last note: LG calls the long and short cycle the same thing and the feature is related to whatever the internal processor is and what cycle it's on. The only way to tell the difference if it's long or short is the duration. One menu will say 10 minutes and the other will say 1 hour!
It must to run actual garbage on your TVs right? The most BS news channels in the world cnn. I know this is not politics, but my god, I will vomit your whole yt channel. How sb can even watch a disgusting sht like this?
From physics V=IR. As oled pixel degrades, resistance "R" increases, hence Voltage "V" will have to increase by a proportional amount to maintain the same current "I."
correction, the new LG EX panels from 2022 only take 10 minutes to perform the full pixel refresh, older LG OLED panels took one hour. This is separate from panel compensation which occurs after four total hours.
Also, the automatic pixel refresh on older panels occurred every 2000 hours, on newer ex panels it occurs every 500 hours.
Your confusion about the menu is because of two panel types being in production in 2022. E.g. my 83" C2 is the older panel type so Pixel Refresh is 1 hour every 2000 hours.
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I have 990 hours on lg c2 and have never seen it do a short compensation cycle. I've never heard a click or anything that ppl said to look for. I don't want to run a manual cycle since I heard it's not good to do often.
I was wondering because the information is all over the place with the different terms used by different companies
This is why RTings is the gold standard: hosting reliable data while owning up to mistakes. Bravo.
4 hours burn in test wasn't to your liking? lmao
They are exactly my dream reviewing site. I really hope they don't ever sell out.
Except this error impacted buying decisions of consumers across the world and misrepresented the products being tested. There also hasn’t been an update in 7 months, letting this incorrect info sit for an inappropriate amount of time.
Bet you guys are the only cnn audiance
@@callouu3601guess you weren’t paying attention to the video. The Sony OLEDs have already suffered permanent burn in. The Samsung OLEDs barely even run compensation cycles due to buggy software implementations and are also more prone to burn in than the LG OLEDs. So RTINGS conclusions from months ago were still accurate in the larger sense.
Mistakes and self inflicted mishaps are all part of epic quests such as this so I’m glad that they are included in the story. The journey is just as important as the destination. Well done!
Great video, thanks. What about mobile phones with OLED screens, do they have compensation cycles?
OLEDS look incredible but I just don't think it's better enough, to justify the crazy cost.
Cost isn’t that big of a difference unless you’re comparing to a budget tv like a tcl or hisense
Qleds look just as good these days Oleds have lost there advantages
The cost is almost equal if you’re comparing OLED to flagship LCDs. It’s not that crazy anymore.
If you’re comparing OLED to a Vizio LCD or Westinghouse, then I don’t know what to tell you 😂
@@garrettstrutz7421they don’t. Only reason one might say this is because you’re not looking at them side by side, but there’s a pretty big difference, especially when compared to QD OLED.
@@brokenwrench404 Hes exactly comparing it to the trashbin cheap LCDs. You get older model OLEDs for well under 1000 USD/Euros. How much cheaper do you want them to be? You wont get an OLED for 150 bucks. Get real and if you dont even have 600 bucks for a new TV, you probably will use for 10+ years, it is the least of your concerns...
"We were wrong" in the first minute of the video? Major props on owning it. Wish certain other youtube channels would be as open about their mistakes.
A key part of what we do relies on transparency, we need to own up to our own statements if they're not totally true! Thanks for watching 🙂
@@Fucktard2 Leave Britney aloooooone!
@@Fucktard2you are the one who made it about linus
@@Davinmkseems some comments got deleted
Spreading incorrect information that would "hurt" (this time a brand), and just say "which we were wrong 😅", seems not fair to me.
Let's give a proper apology man 😂
RTings is doing God's work. I'm not aware of anyone else IN THE WORLD who is doing such comprehensive, long-term testing to help people figure out what they're actually getting when they pay for a modern TV. Great job, team!
check out also this guy... super pro @hdtvtest
No evidence no gods!
So this finding is very interesting. It also explains why "burn-in" was so pronounced on those OLEDs that were used in airports that were running 24/7. They never had any compensation cycles at all.
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What a waste of Oled for airports…
@@FEGTTTSDH I'd imagine it was a cost issue, if the displays were mostly black they'd probably save on power.
@@DoubleMonoLR most OLEDs consume far more power than most LCDs though, even with the Pixel turning off thing....
You guys are doing amazing work, information we really need as customers.
Love the energetic presentation!
Thanks so much! Very happy to hear you enjoyed the video! 🙂
This video just saved my OLED! I bought a 42" Sony A80K to be used as my PC and console gaming monitor. After only having the TV for 2 weeks and playing ~8 hours of Starfield a day, every day, with custom HDR settings and noticeable peak brightness, the Starfield HUD appeared to be permanently burnt in to my display. On any sort of grey background, the HUD was clearly visible. I figured this was permanent burn-in as the image retention showed 0 improvement and did not even slightly fade away in about 6 weeks since. I made sure to leave the TV off for 6+ hours every day as this should trigger the short compensation cycles, I ran multiple "Burn In Fix" videos on UA-cam for hours on end every few days, I made sure to watch/game varied content, and I even ran the Sony "Panel Refresh". Nothing improved the burn in at all.
I just tried the manual short compensation cycle highlighted near the end of the video, and now the image retention has COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED. Not even a faint outline can be seen even on 1% grey scale backgrounds. Simply remarkable, THANK YOU RTINGS!
Though this all but proves that my TV has not run a single short compensation cycle since I first bought the TV in July. Any ideas why that is, and if there's anything I can do to fix it? If I have to manually trigger these compensation cycles every few days, so be it, but I would obviously prefer if the TV did this automatically like it is supposed to!
This is the kind of comment I love to see! RTINGS, you are a hero(not all hero’s wear capes)! 🦸🏻♂️
@EccentricMeat have you experienced any more imagine retention or burn-in during the 8 months since? How do you like the A80K as a gaming monitor? I’m debating between a less expensive Sony X85K or going all in with an LG C series or Sammy S90 series for a gaming screen…
@@Marc.Google zero image retention issues since! I had to keep manually triggering a short compensation cycle for weeks, until I decided to just run a software update on the TV. Since the update, the short comp cycles have triggered automatically as expected and I haven’t had to run a manual cycle since.
I absolutely love the 42” A80K OLED as a monitor and I don’t think I can ever go back to LED
I cannot believe I just spent 20 minutes being entertained by a video about OLED burn-in. Bravo, Abbey!
I really respect RTINGS for including this. Gives me even more confidence in the testing
Great work, guys! I'm looking forward to see how well the new QD-OLED panel stack up.
Thank you! We're looking forward to seeing those results as well!
saying "guys" when there are literally a girl in the video........
@@sudd3660ugh get a life buddy
@@sudd3660”guys” is a gender neutral term.
@@sudd3660 it's just a way of saying, equivalent of "people". Check the cambridge dictionary result on "guys".
you can even say "guys" to a group of girls, it doesn't matter
it's what we call in french the "gender neutral masculine" so to speak
as let's not confuse language vs speak & intentions of the speaker
I appreciate the time and effort you guys put into these tests. Thank you and keep up the good job.
Thanks for watching!
Shout out to y'all(RTINGS) for addressing a mistake y'all made during testing. Also, I agree with Abby, ALL of the big companies(Samsung, Sony and LG) need to be more transparent about how long their automatic pixel cleaning cycles run after powering off the TV instead of ballpark estimates. Also, if I'm paying over a $1000 on a TV, can you make it easier to show how to protect my investment cause going through all of those hoops on the Sony TV was ridiculous.
They aren't upfront about such features because it would make it a lot harder to gaslight people into thinking that OLED burn in has been completely eleminated. It's wild how many people try to tell me that my own eyes haven't seen what they've seen. That only happened yesterday. OLED looks better, but there being an entire "panel care" menu makes my point in a dramatic way.
All I can say is, that I used a LG CX 48" OLED for about a year or 1500-2000 hours (I used it a lot per day for gaming and surfing).
And I currently use a C2 42", also about a year now for again gaming and surfing with about 1500-2000 hours now. In the meantime the LG CX is used as a TV in the livingroom now.
I use it for a long time before turning it off. The only burnin prevention method I use are the buildin ones like pixelshift and darkmodes. I didn't change my desktop or desktop-background in any way. Both OLEDs show no burnin or image retention.
Indeed. Fearmongering makes good headlines.
My C2 also has 3000H around and 0,0 burn in, and I don't even use the darkmode for surfing.
The only wallpaper rotate and blackscreen after 5min.
my CX 55" has 8000+ hours and 0 burn in
Do you watch anything with static images? I watch all the baseball. Lol. No gaming just static baseball graphics. About 180 games a year@@blood6548
RTings is truly exceptional! The dedication and honesty you bring to your content are truly commendable. It's refreshing to see a channel like yours that prioritizes transparency and authenticity. Your commitment to delivering high-quality, informative, and genuine content sets a remarkable example for others in the UA-cam community. I wish more UA-cam channels would follow your lead and uphold the same level of integrity. Keep up the fantastic work!
Thank you for the kind words and for watching!
As i said in the earlier video.. Doing God's work.. As someone who is about to buy his first OLED, all this analysis is great to see.
Thank you! Glad to hear you found the information in here helpful 🙂
Anyone working in that warehouse seeing hundreds of CNNs all day must be so sad. Not saying that politically, but news is just so depressing in general. Its all negative, nothing positive ever gets covered.
My LG C2 OLED has a permanent UA-cam and a permanent Fox Sports logo burnt into the screen and no amount of screen refresh will get rid of it. I only watch Fox Sports for a few hours every few weeks when the formula one is on. I only really notice it when certain colours are displayed on the screen like white or yellow.
When I got to the Panel care settings on my S95B I can clearly see pixel refresh and it gives me a option to start now. Then the screen turns off and a cycle starts.
Isn't that the full cycle though, you shouldn't be running the full 1 regularly as it degrades the picture, you want the mini refresh.
I waited until prompted by my S95b last night to run a pixel refresh. I've had it 11.5 months with an average if 6 hours per day of mixed usage.I've just just run some HDR10+ content, and it looks tremendous. I'm convinced the picture performance is even better than when it was new.
You guys are now officially accounting for half of CNN's current ratings!
RTINGS is THE gold standard for monitors and tvs. Y'all are doing such a great job!
for N/America? maybe - rest of the world? nope...most of your products aren't the same as ours across the ditch (EU/Asia/Oceania/JP etc)
AWESOME!!! One thing that is disturbing about OLED TVs .. is all this complexity. Premium TVs should not have these kinds of headaches. Sony is having lots of problems with their OLED TVs, I hope they are paying attention and take some action. LG seems to be doing a good job on image retention, but whole columns of faulty pixels isn't reassuring. And there was no updated on the LED TVs in the test this time. Does that mean no news .. is good news? Or, there wasn't enough tine to get to them?
We're aiming to try and clear up some of that complexity with these videos! We had a lot to say for OLEDs so it was partially a time thing, but stay tuned for future videos including LED news!
Yes, long winded but a LOT of very important information. Well done. So far I think my choice of the LG C2 was good. I like what it can do with old SD content.
If TV experts can’t figure out how to run the OLED pixel cleaner, because it’s buried in an obscure menu, then I don’t know how Sony expects a typical end user to be able to find it. LG definitely got this feature right because the pixel cleaner runs automatically on my LG C1.
Also, I really appreciate that RTINGS admitted to their mistake, if you even can call it that given that, given how buried this feature is on the Sony.
Well no because it's in a settings sub menu and it's in the operating instructions for the TV. Fml, thick.
It is not an "automatic" tool that run in background while tv is shut up more than X time? If so, let's say that for a "normal use" each time you go sleep or during the shift works it should be able to handle it by itself so the need to "find" the manual option on the settings should not be needed 😅
The typical end user ISN'T supposed to find (nor use) the feature, and neither are tech nerds, really -- if it runs properly on schedule there's no benefit to running it manually, so the only thing that truly matters IMO is that it handles it in a correct way automatically.
The problem with LGs implementation is that if you turn off the TV while fumbling over the remote, it could trigger.
Sony doesn't expect the user to find it. The option is in the retail mode. I think that is the mode the TV is supposed to be on in the store. I would never turn that on when experimenting, after a bad experience of not being about to turn off a demo mode on a 1980s TV.
I think you can see the reflection on the screen warp at 10:57 as it heats up performing the pixel clean process. Amazing video as always, in depth, enjoyable, well researched, and well presented. Thanks RTINGS team!
Personal experience of OLED means I won't be having another one. I'm on my third panel (for the same TV). Yes, it's an LG B7, and yes I am sure this generation was more prone to burn in - but once bitten, twice shy.
I spent, at the time 1500GBP, and it's been far from a premium experience.
@@gamenerd5665 Funny, when I bought my C7 they said the same thing. They said it was just the old OLEDs that had a problem, you don't have to worry about it with these new models. Every year it is the same story. Sorry but not falling for it a second time. OLED tech is not built to last and no amount of pixel shifting or refresh cycles will change that, it will only make it last a little longer.
The presenter is really cool and the tests are very much appreciated. Thank you for all your team's effort!
Actually she is very sarcastic and annoying as well as unprofessional.
@@steveludwig4200
> "Ackchyually your subjective opinion is wrong"
> proceeds to post their own subjective opinion as an aKsHUaL fact
get a grip, dude
@@MrArteez She is 100% sarcastic, annoying and unprofessional. You are 100% ignorant.
While I'm aware that Image retenion isn't permanent, after seeing it on my TV for 12 hours, I lost trust with my LG C1 and went back to my old TCL.
Sure the C1 is objectively a better TV than my TCL 617, however the stress from using the C1 is too much for me.
Great clear video, looking forward to the next one!
Thank you!! Glad to hear you enjoyed it, stay tuned for the next one!
I'm not even surprised anymore by how poor the quality of very expensive products is nowadays... it's worse than a joke... it almost seems like they don't even bother testing them, they just reword the website descriptions and sell it... unacceptable for the price of those things!
Glad to see my LG C1 is a great monitor replacement as it was built to be, very consistent performance with heavy usage and the panel being turned off every night from 10pm-1am ish , and only turned on the next day around 9am (most of the times at night after work), definitely didn't go wrong with the C1
keep doing your thing, your reviews are great!
Thank you!
Look all of CNNs viewers.
I have image retention around the edges of my LG B6 from using it to watch UA-cam, and even though it has the pixel refresher option in the menu and I've run it several times, it's not going away. Maybe the pixels are actually dying. Either way, now I'm much more conscious of it and use the live zoom feature to zoom in if there are going to be static elements on the screen like that.
LG continues to show time and time again that they are the best to make OLED TV's with good burn in prevention algorithms, failsafes and good intervals of compensation cycles for image retention.
They might not have the best TV's for movies because Sony TV's have better image processing in general and Sony&Samsung use QD-OLED panels which have better colors and higher brightness than most WRGB OLED's from LG (LG G3 are the exception), but because of how good they hold up in your tests, I would still go with LG.
Its because of these tests that I stay clear currently of QD-oled. I really like sony, but im not going to pay all that money for an increased risk of burn-in.
If the increased QD burn in wasn't there, id buy the sony a95L
After watching 10 mins ... i understand don't waste your hard earned money on oleds 😂😅
I’d like to get an OLED for the superior picture quality, but seems like a lot of maintenance/hassle to address image retention.
My last TV was an OLED and will not buy another one. The picture is superior, but short lived. First I started noticing brightness uniformity issues with certain shades of gray (vertical lines, got worse after pixel refresh cycles) after about a year. Then after 3 years the burn-in started to show, but wasn't too noticeable because I would only see it when there was a solid red, purple, or yellow background like in some games. Now at 5 years old the burn in can't be ignored. There are some areas where there was a static image (UA-cam logos mostly) but also a big area in the center which there was not. I'm sure some people will blame me because I used it as a computer monitor sometimes and that leads to static images, but I think the tech is fundamentally flawed. Imagine if there was a car with the best fuel efficiency, best acceleration, best control, etc. The only catch was that every time you drove it at a constant speed, the engine would slowly destroy itself. That is how I feel about OLED tech. Needless to say, I wasn't about to fall for it again so I just got a QLED for significantly less than an OLED and am very happy with it.
@@RandomGreenFishPhone which tv brand/model did you have the issue with? I went with a QLED as well…Samsungs QN90C to be specific as I’ll mainly use it for gaming. This video review helped me decide: ua-cam.com/video/--PrZfDIj-o/v-deo.htmlsi=aMxUBeP2rH1rAj7n
@@Dubb282 I have an LG 55C7P and just got a TCL Q7 to replace it. It is not as good as a Sony or Samsung QLED, but for the price I am happy with it.
I'm thinking of buying an oled tv in 2024. I'm not too worried about burn in, cause I don't watch the same content or have static images on screen for very long. What I am worried about is the tv wearing out faster than a LED tv. The tv will most likely be on for about 8 hours a day. I would hope to get at least 5 years out of the tv.
I like the tests. Liked the drama and a test of tv reliability and TV aging. Nobody else do these type of tests, you all are awesome.
Keep hearing "Sony Broke"
My LG CX burned in after 2 years. Always, all screen protections were on. I always made sure to run the 5-6 minute pixel refresher every 4 hours. I always made sure that the 1 hour pixel refresh went through properly. And it still burnt in! Plus it was getting more and more dead pixels! All this NOT with static TV watching, but with gaming and not the same title, but different single player games. Sorry to say that, but OLED is a huge disappointment.
@@gamenerd5665 No! Never! After about 2000 hours of operation, the CX told me not to unplug it, because it would refresh pixels. It always went through fine.
Oh wow!! The TV'S failing before they could even complete the test is very interesting. Excellent job as always everyone!
Definitely troubling, especially since both were Sony.
Yes two Sony. Noticed that too 🫨
So much for Sony quality.
haha the second one broke while opening I believe! xD@@Marathonianbull
@@tomtube1012 they either assembled in eastern europe or mexico, there is little to no qc there, as long as it works it works, and they always use cheap capacitors on their psu's and motherboards
I bought an OLED in 2018 after claims from LG and reps at the retails store that burn in was "no longer a problem." After about 3.5 years of use I started noticing minor burn in but it quickly got much worse. Now it is so noticeable that it is too distracting and just like the OLED manufacturers wanted, I needed a new TV after 5 years. While doing research I noticed that the OLED marketing is the same, still claims that burn in used to be a problem but is no longer a problem. I will admit, it does appear that it is getting better (comparing the longevity tests on rtings between the older models and the newer ones) but is still not solved completely. Because of this, I decided to stay away from OLED and went with the TCL Q7 because it seemed to be the best bang for my buck. It is definitely not as good as an OLED for black levels, viewing angle and screen glare, but comparing the picture quality side by side I would say it is about 85% - 90% as good of a picture for about 1/3 of the price. Plus I don't have to worry about leaving a static image there accidently.
Sounds like what other technology manufacturers would say in their keynote speech, when trying to steer audience's focus away from OLED Which LG OLED model it was? I have the LG OLED C8 which has not shown any retention yet.
I have 55C7P. If you go to LGs page for that TV and read some of the more recent lower star review, you will notice that burn-in appears to be a fairly common complaint. I would imagine that the other technology manufacturers are bringing that up because burn in is still a problem. I think it is telling that burn in is not covered under warranties for their TVs. I see that some of their gaming monitors do cover it under warranty for two years which gives me hope that progress is being made, but this could be because monitors are usually more expensive than tvs and they have a higher profit margin to cover replacing the panel if it burns in after only two years. Also I didn't notice burn in until after 3 years of use, so until OLED manufacturers cover burn in for 5 years to back up their claims, I am staying far away.
I'm eyeing my a80j like "don't you fucking dare"
Thank you for collecting such accurate data and sharing it so exquisitely! Love your reference to mash!
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My LG OLED C1 (which the chart at 09:15 says C1 doesn't have manual cycle option) has a "Pixel Cleaning" function under "Support" - "OLED Care" instead of "General" - "OLED Care".
However, the help text says this is a 1-hour cycle, instead of the 10-minute cycle mentioned in this video at 10:53. It also mentions there maybe a white line appearing on screen during the process.
So, is this a "long cycle" different from what's mentioned in this video?
I'd like to know too. Currently experiencing burn in or maybe it's screen retention from playing BF2042. I can see a shadow of the primary weapon bow and health bar on blue screens.
Odd about the Sony compensation cycles. My 55 inch A80K runs about 20 minutes after I turn it "off" with the remote like clockwork...
No OLED for me. And people start buying oled for monitor pc. People are stupid. With internet they loose total common senses.
people love picture quality....
I have an LG C2 that I use as a monitor and multi-use, I recommend turning on automatic brightness and OLED Care, this will make the useful life much longer, including your eyes as above 300nits it is not safe to stay for a long time!
In movies and games I never use brightness above 65, I even use the HDR calibration recommended by PC experts.
By Cyber Brazil!
Thanks for the update! Compensation cycles make me want an OLED even less. I leave my LCD on for many more hours than that during the day and night. But it's interesting to see which TVs fair better over the many months.
OLEDs burn out, there is literally nothing that can ever be temporary about it. The only way to combat that is to gradually adjust each pixel to the same brightness making it seem like nothing goes on. If you can't make it, fake it. :)
THIS is the information customers need. TV manufacturers treat their customers like idiots most of the time and don't give us the information we need to make an informed purchasing decision or properly maintain our tvs, but YOU do. That's why I referenced your reviews when I bought my last 2 tvs and will do so again in the future. Keep it up!
If OLED TVs have only a small chance of Burn-In issues, Why doesn't their warranty cover it? QLEDs do!
Yawn.
Gotta be honest, I LOVE rtings. The fact that a resource like this exists and is still very accessible is truly astonishing.
Theyre all junk, oled is horrendous, not even sony can save it.
This video showed me that quality and long term reliability is 1000% LG at the top. They had zero issues with a tv dying AND they’re compensation and pixel cleaning ACTUALLY WORKS LIKE IT SHOULD. Shocker. So I’ll be buying the LG B3 77” Black Friday 😊😊
The tv will behave differently when it’s on the power non stop this test does not prove anything on how long the tv will last you ext.. Not real world use.. I have my tv on 10 hrs give or take every day model SONY A80J 77” Oled going on the second year working flawlessly. But I appreciate time and effort you guys put in testing.
The delivery of the "because it's dead now" line killed me @ 4:34. 😂
Samsung isn't doing this accidentally or through some casual lack of care. They _literally have a policy/philosophy_ about minimizing, as much as possible, what the end user can do to enable important features or disable annoying features. Their QLED models, for example, provide absolutely no means of permanently disabling crosshatch dithering, vertical dithering, or their infamous global dimming system. Not even in the service menu. The entire point of this philosophy is that the end user is too dumb to be given access to anything that might ultimately render a less oversaturated, black-crushed image, and this philosophy obviously extends to anything that might pose some kind of danger to the unit.
These updates are brilliant. On a personal level I would love to see more alienware aw3424dw/f / monitor updates. Still enjoying my alienware aw3424dwf and use the image clear up when prompted
Yeah, my dw (not f) monitor died on me after 6 months so I got a replacement monitor. New one had newer firmware and have worked better but not flawlessly. I love the monitor but im not sure I can trust it 100%.
Thats why i buy the new Lg G3 :)
Did you notice any brightness decrease?
Looking into buying an OLED display for gaming/multi use on PC. But it's unlikely to be a TV. Would be nice if the model i got had the manual trigger. But otherwise i expect having it on most of a day and having it off while i sleep should be enough for it to do it's 'thing'. But this video has no information for PC display brands such as asus, acer and aorus.
samsung is trash across all products, hardware spam they cant support. all flagship hardware i have like soundbar, g7 monitor, tv ... they have firmware issues. g7 monitor has issues with some patterns and input switching (takes 30-60 seconds!), soundbar had rear issues, tv never received promised eARC and refused to turn on sometimes, needed to pull the plug. they didnt bother to update firmware in time but released few more gens meanwhile. lets not talk about their smartphones, pure horror if you are an advanced user. LG monitor and old OLED (b6d) never had issues.
I have an LG CX 55 in my bedroom for 4 years. Got a 77 c1 in my living room about 3 years ago. This year I got a 77 g3 in my man’s cave . Till now not a single tv has imagine retention and I didn’t have any issues at all 🎉
CNN 24/7? I know it was called a "torture test" but damn , you weren't kidding!!!
Amazing work. Eager to see the next round of results comparing the S95C and G3.
Putting off my purchase until I know where I'm going to get best and most reliability.
You can learn some good things about OLED, only when you have a first gen OLED for almost 7 years? And your Mother watch the same channel more than 12 hours at day, every day, from when you took it at home the first time. 0 Burn In on a 7 years old OLED that work flawless more than 12 hours a day.
Update: I ran the process mentioned in this video and it didn't make any of my burn in go away on my A90J. RIP!
Quelle était votre utilisation quotidienne ?
Depuis quand avez-vous votre a90j ?
@@furaxrital I use my TV a lot on a daily basis. I don't leave it on when I am not using it or anything irresponsible like that though. I have had the TV since the day it came out.
Thanks for all this! Welp! if I ever buy an OLED it will certainly be a LG. But I won’t be buying any Samsung with all these internal failures. So it’s Sony LED or LG OLED for me.
A product review, critical thinking, and honesty tutorial all in one. RTINGS is answering the question - "How do you know what is true?". If only mainstream news operated the same way instead of chasing "balance". We should encourage our children to watch RTINGS to demonstrate this distinction.
The bad news is...QD-OLEDs have more burn in with major abuse. With the lack of a white sub-pixel, my QD-OLED has burn in and my W-OLEDs don't. Someone in my family abused the S95B and it has a permanent Samsung and Prime Video burn. It takes a crapload to burn in an OLED but, you can easily if you are a clown. QD-OLEDs especially. The A80K isn't well made. These tests are not real world as well. It's like running a car for 10 years or running a car for 15 hours a day at 120mph with poor gas and no oil changes for a year. (Although cars with more use do better.) Screen optimizers almost do nothing after the damage is done.
Good to know comp cycles only affect tft layer retention and aren't linked to permanent retention from oled degradation. But still unsettling to know these comp cycles are buggy. My c7 went through a period where it just kept clicking off straight away and I worried the comp cycles weren't running. Did a factory reset and the clicks were after 5 minutes of off time again after 4 hours. I noticed another temporary bug with my c2 recently where the screen wouldn't dim down after a few mins if I left a static screen up. Not as worrying as I'm not in the habit of leaving static screens up and it fixed itself the next time I turned on the TV. But the coding for these types of TV operations need to be rock solid and they obviously aren't. Glad Rtings are raising awareness around these issues.
I wonder if there are tvs out there that have been returned or discarded not because of user abuse but because these comp cycles weren't doing their job reliably
S95C after 6 months of the test.. pretty much zero burn in.
LG G3 after 4 months of the test.. pretty obvious burn in.
I have been using the 65 inch S95B for a year now for gaming and tv/Movies and so far its been spectacular and has no sign of image retention or burn in. Im very careful with static images always gaming with no HUD if possible or transparency which i prefer for the emersion aspect but at least so far its been fantastic and still looks good as new. I will say though my S95b is not used anywhere near as much as a monitor would be as during the week both me and my partner work so it gets a lot of hours per week unused which I imagine also helps a great deal. After 4 hours of use you hear a second click after going on standby where the compensation cycle starts so its clear its running correctly.
Hard to justify spending big money on a TV that you have to baby and expect issues at some point down the line
You guys are doing the lord's work
Keep it up! You're the best resource we have for testing OLEDs!
My c1 is 1.5 years old with almot 6000 hours. No burn in and I don't see any image retention. Amazing TV
My parents G2 has somehow got loads of screenburn. Feeling the TV it always appears very hot and after doing some research that's due to the brightness of the TV. Knowing that's their flagship model I won't be going to LG
What kind of sorcery is this? How can one pronounce all these ridiculous names without problems?
Lots and lots (and lots) of practice 😅 Manufacturers need to start making these model names easier!
I would just prefer a tech where we don't have to even think about retention or degradation over time. OLED still sits in my mind that the day you first turn it on is the best it will ever look and its a slow downhill from there.
Will likely never be a thing even if/when MicroLED hits the consumer market.
There's no such tech with comparable image quality. But hey - you can buy a display, that will be bad from day one and won't degrade anymore.
So what do I do with my Samsung S95C then? Do I just unplug it once in awhile and hope for the best? Please explain.
I have Rick Astley burnt into my retinas. I don't think it's just temporary image retention in this case. 8:17 Wait. It wasn't actually Rick Roll? I thought this was just a click bait thumbnail. This is great!
Not the worst problem to have 😂
One thing about buying expensive electronics is to never buy anything from Samsung
Owning an OLED is a stressful endeavor, the wear is inevitable, the "maintenance" is maddening and borderline psychotic, I don't like to worry about my TV or any appliance beyond basic common sense care. I chose local dimming LED based LCD TVs and I'm pleased with the PQ + features. No burn-in, no worries.
Same
@makoto5280 I ask the same, what LED LCD did you own? I guess we chose what's best for each. But since you want to know about stress, please look this up: unlike CRTs and Plasma, both display technologies that also suffered from potential burn-in, OLED decays by cumulative wear over time, it's inevitable. CRT/Plasma did not have cumulative wear (all displays have some wear coefficient), but because of OLED's organic nature, the wear is much faster/higher and uneven across the panel, depending on use, it's cumulative and progressive. In time OLED panels will experience color shifts (sub pixels decay unevenly, blue being the first one), uniformity issues and botches of areas worn out even if a defined burn-in issue was avoided by constant maintenance or care (by the user and automatic by the TV). I'll take a slight less deep black, contrast ratio and pixel response time with a [high-end] LCD TV, than a OLED TV with a coefficient of wear similar to vinyl records. It's a fact, you do what you do.
sorry there is too much information about technical stuff :D hows the final conclusion on the burn in test for the LG C3 :D
Really under-rated channel, thanks for the undying test!
Sony standards: there’s no standard at all.
I’m actually thankful they don’t produce TVs here anymore.
I don't know what watching CNN for a week would do to my TV but it would kill me! :-)
I'll just pass on an oled until there's no possibility of burn in or picture retention. It's top of the line mini led for me 😊
So always? OLED is organic LED, it is eventually going to burn in. Every second an OLED pixel is on, that’s a second off it’s lifespan.
I’d be happy with it last at least 4 years, maybe 5. That’s more than enough for a big jump in TVs. But OLEDs are not gonna last 10+ years for anyone but the most casual of viewers.
Screw that! I'm not paying 2k to 4k for a tv that last 4 to 5 yrs. That's dumb. I'll stick with mini led.
The Sony compensation cycle does not run if you turn tv off with 3rd party remote or via HDMI-cdc... i get a warning about it every time i turn tv on now
I absolutely LOVE RTINGS! the incredible work in your tests and the great presentation of the results. Thanks for sharing this information with the community (And I'm so happy to have gone with a LG C1, I have it for almost two years and still looks perfect
@15:35 So that is why my A8H makes that noise late at night. It sounds exactly as if it is being turned on.
LG still holding up the best in the test as they should for being the longest doing this 10 years so my trust goes with LG
my lg cx has image retention
My LG cx has none. And i used it brutally for 2 years. Constant 6 - 10 hours of playing or watching in hdr. Edit: my tv is calibreted to 100 nits in sdr with calman tho. So it must be a factor too
How did you come to the conclusion lg is holding up the best ??
From what I heard the lg g2 has pretty bad burn in compared to others
he is referring here to the lowest compensation cycle around 4hr other brands it is high@@beetleburper9440
@@beetleburper9440 They improved some things in the c3 and G3, those would be more ideal, just make sure to buy a store warranty for OLEDs is usually my suggestion
thought that SONY was the king, but no, it is the one that does the worst and in this test it was the one that did the worst, with two televisions that died, there is SONY, it is just overpriced, all my televisions are Sony
how awful
Would love to see an update on the OLED monitors. Specifically the Alienware. I'm on my second one now and it's already getting permanent burn-in for the second time. It seems like the compensation cycles work for a while and then they stop working or something.
burn in is a feature of current oled tech - organic led is just does not have that long a lifespan
@@Zam_manbullshit. read and watch rtings.
@@Zam_man I love it " burn in is a feature of current oled tech "
All these TV reviews should start out "Do not purchase if you have a bright room." If you have to be careful how you watch TV you need to run away.