Peavey Invective Revisited - Was I Wrong The First Time?
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Nice one mate, redemption is a plate best served boosted!!
AGREEEEEEEEED
Dude...I love your vids. You are so honest and straight to the point. Its like hanging out with a fellow player and discussing gear. Great job!
I like that you didn't run this amp through a DAW and process the sound. I don't know why people do that when previewing amps. A raw direct sound of the real tone is what people need to hear when deciding what amp to buy.
The voicing of the Invective amp honestly comes alive with lower tunings, 7 strings and lower registries, Imo based off my personal experiences.
That's what periphery plays anyway
I had the exact same problem and was so relieved when I finally got that info - that amp now is mean and nasty af 🙌 The only thing I don’t get though is, why then there is a master boost in the first place if it has to be turned on anyways to sound good
Unfortunately, even in 2024, a whole lot of uninformed people watching newer and equally uninformed videos are still missing this detail regarding the master boost and then spreading falsehoods about the amp sounding too thin compared to the 6505 when with that feature activated, it’s every bit as good if not slightly better.
Is this your first sponsored video?! Congrats man!!
It is! Thanks my man!
In my opinion the amp was ok with a 4x12 with cele vintage 30s, but it really came to life when i put the vintage 30s with cele creamback-h in an X pattern...now its killer
I hardly ever use the master boost but I still think it sounds amazing! I guess I’ll try it this way too
It sounds better with the Master boost on even if you have the master boost volume turned all the way down.
This amp sounds better on 7 and 8 strings, or anything drop A or lower, the lack of bass helps with low heavy tuning, but on 6 strings it does sound shrill, try it out with a 7string or 8string
It definitely does not lack bass. It's all on how you dial it in
@@belligerentamateur True. I just feel like overall the amp is designed for extended range guitars it performs much better with them. IMO
i think it was meant to exaggerate that 5150II/III/6505+ tightness because Misha is known for using that kind of amp in his axe FX patch.
12:17 is all you need in your life today my friends. Amazing playing Kyle. This amp sounded great.
Thank you, sweaty
@@belligerentamateur 😂
I really enjoyed this, just a great-sounding, honest review.
having to have the footswitch plugged in to switch something on an amp is not an user error, it's a design error!
Isn't the first time peavey did this. The Ultra plus 120 had a ultra gain channel you couldn't switch to without the pedal.
True! The marshall origin's FX loop doesnt work unless you have the footswitch plugged in XD
@@stimpsonjcat26 ,No you count get the crunch canes on the ultra 120 without foot switch.
@@robertrogers7939 mine I can't get ultra gain without footswitch. I think mine is an early model
This issue will be addressed in an upcoming firmware update.
Sounds much better now!
Thank you! Agreed!
Cool to see you revisit this one. The invective has tricks up its sleeve for sure. For instance...diming the level and tone on the boost( crunch, lead)...has some awesome edge. And to my ears sounds a lot like the precision drive at noon. Awesome tones here Kyle.😈
Thank you Keola! I'm glad I finally figured it out (Although the issue is a bit of a design flaw, IMO)
@@belligerentamateur I agree with you there. A toggle on the back next to the master boost knob would have avoided much confusion.
I MISS THE GATE....AND THAT'S ABOUT IT
The best combo I could come up with was using a Helix with the 4C method, and using the midi commands to have the Master Boost activated on all presets..absolutely killer. Great amp. Great vid bro!
Thanks man!!
@@belligerentamateur So, you don't have to lug that crazy big Invective pedal around. That would be a great vid to show how the different amps accept midi commands, and how to incorporate them into your effects system..would definitely tune in for that!
I've had the Invecitve MH on order for ages now, can't wait for it to arrive.
And yeah having to plugin the footswtich to engage a setting is a complete copout, they needed to add a button on the back as well
I totally agree. Should be a switch on the amp! Seems like everyone has been waiting a while on the invective MH unfortunately
Amazing amp. Almost among the perfect amps save for one major issue: the fact that master boost activation requires that massive foot switch to be connected. Had they put a switch for this on the amp itself, Peavey would’ve massively helped the amp’s marketing.
Def a better vid this time around. I liked my invective but was not IN LOVE with it. It cuts through the mix amazing though. Sold mine for an Engl Savage 120 mk 2, don't regret it at all.
Hi Kyle, if you still have the Peavey 6505 mk2 sitting around, could you do a shootout between that and the Invective? That would be awesome
So...you need the footswitch plugged in with the Master Boost cranked all the time, that crazy.
I believe it remembers the last setting once the footswitch is unplugged, so you woulnd't need it if you left it dimed and unplugged the footswitch, but I need to test
Yep, it saves that setting. No need to keep it attached all the time
lol what up kyle jermaine here just glad your humble open and continue to learn great video.
Thanks, my man!
I have the invective mini. I only use it for cleans. Good clean channel. Besides that it sits on a shelf. But after this video maybe I should try it again..
Or sell it to me
I own a Peavey MiniHead and it sounds great as it is... there's no need to use any overdrive pedal in front. Even with EL84 power tubes it has a lot of punch. The only think I don't like is the Gate. I prefer a T.C. Electronic Sentry Noise Gate into the Effets Loop... to me it's more efficient.
Still not a fan (would pick an old 5150 or EVH over it any day) but that was entertaining and love how you’re open to revisiting things! I will say it sounds better here compared to your first video though
I too would take any of the older Peavey iterations over this, but based solely on price. This thing costs a lot for a very similar tone. However, if price were not a factor, this thing sounds great and gives lots of built in options. It's a nice all-in-one package. Most don't require that, though
I still don't think it's right that the amp needs that boost on to sound good. I just got a mesa JP-2C
And I would be pissed if it only sounded good when shred was on.
It's a variable knob from 1-10. Some people may not like it cranked, they may like a more subtle setting. I'm not against the idea of the master boost, it just needs to be accessible without the foot switch
@@belligerentamateur that doesn't help also lol I don't mind a master boost I mean the Mesa has it I think it's super cool but it shouldn't need to be on all the time to not be flabby lol I personally would rather just get a 6505 with a Boost or something
@@96rasco I agree, that's how I like it set up and a 6505 with a boost is more attractive to me as well. However, objectively, you and I are not everyone, and some others may find that feature useful, even if we don't.
@@belligerentamateur I mean 2k with taxes is a tough one to swallow for what it is. Misha Mansoor is a monster his pedals are great. So you could say I was a little bit more than disappointed with that amp. So now I'm saving up for a revv also though everyone else I know that has used the peavey Invective didnt like it. Even my "djent friends"
@Joseph Lateo that's freaking wild bro mine has been solid as a rock for 2 years now. I did have a mesa triple rec that broke every month so.. hand built stuff is iffy lol
Are those hand pedals...or foot pedals?
Alot of character in this amps tone🤘
yo please review the Carvin Legacy VL100 i feel no one has reviewed it right and your the man! thanks for all you do thank you!
I had this amp for a little over a year and never fully loved it. I sold it and ordered a KSR Ares. I haven't missed it at all and I'm actually kind of glad it's gone.
KSR is great stuff
Wanna do a 7 string version of this with a precision drive?you look like Matt Damon’s brother btw lol
Hands down, best amp I’ve ever owned. Had em all.. mesa’s, all the peavey’s, marshall’s, framus, diesel, etc… this one does all of them. Stupidly versatile and so so many features.. it’s ridiculous. Will never play another amp again. You gotta do some homework on these and lots of tinkering though. If you’re not into that, you should stop playing.
Pro tip (like homeboy said):
Turn the master boost in the back of the amp all the way up and engage it.
Now turn the master on the front of the amp all the way up. Now just use your post for volume.
For the boost on the front of the amp, turn it on like you would use a tube screamer.. same with the on board gate.. max it out. If there’s amp noise (not pickup noise) slap a cheap suppressor or gate in the fx loop in the back. Dead silent and doesn’t steal tone.
If anyone is confused HMU. I got the scoop
Did you own a 5150 “block letter” would you say it’s as punchy/aggressive? I play crust/death metal. Looking for that chunky/punchy tone the old 5150 head has.
@@dunforever1052 I’ve had 3 different block letters.. they all sounded slightly different from each other. Pretty much any high gain tube amp you can get to sound punchy and aggressive if you know how. Cabs/speakers and pickups play a huge role in that as well.
I've been using mine with my hx stomp in 4CM and it's a game changer for me. I can put reverb, delay, and an EQ etc and more importantly, I can change the pre amp. I pretty much always have the master boost on, seems to sound a lot better. I just need a 2X12 with V30's. I'm using a Peavey 2X12 with Greenbacks. They sound ok.. a little fizzy tbh. I'm curious to try the matching 2X12 cab for the Invective (Creamback and V30). Awesome playing brotha
I paused video for moment to comment. Have to be honest, i think this amp sounds pretty good in this video. I like the old Aerosmith sound i hear on the record's. And to me, this gives maybe a better than jcm 800 overdrive distortion tones. I like that "grit" in the tone. Like the speakers can still breathe and not just a bunch of bottom end over compressed sound. I use a couple different pedals for boost just to brighten the midrange to stand out. Damn, i might have to investigate this amp.
Definitely sounds better now. A rhythm channel should be very similar to the lead but tighter and LESS low mids imo. Then, you switch to the lead and it has a slight mid boost and less tight. (Mk II)
damn sounds killer man!
You heard that new Dead Heat? Soooo sick
Ola England was demoing the Peavy Invective MH with no boost pedal. That amp has a shit load of gain!
The problem with the Invective is that it was Peavey's greatest civilized amp, whereas the classic Peaveys were always a bit unruly and barking mad.
The only real fault of the amp is that it is often too polite.
It's hard to say it on a sponsored vid, but this amp was a let down. They use alot of magical words to sell these amps/guitars these days, kinda sucks
Uh, it wasn't sponsored by peavey dude. I can say whatever I want, regardless. Your opinion just didn't match mine.
@@belligerentamateur ...Well hey, Even if it took a while im happy that you finally found a decent sound from this amp. (=
Honestly, thinking back about all my amplifiers, how often does an amp straight-up require the footswitch, least of all just to sound good? The amp’s basically a brick on the used market without it IMO
I bought one and returned it. I loved the sound but the lead channels were way lower in volume than the clean. I had the master boost, channel boost, pre and post gain, as well as the master volume cranked (100%) and wasnt even close to the half of the volume of the clean channel. Pretty bummed but is what it is
Recently had this problem and it was a couple failing preamp tubes dedicated to the lead/crunch channel. Replaced them and the volumes are even again.
Mr. Bull, you were caught by Peavey's design flaw. It's not ness. user error, like not knowing before purchase that your Ford needed the engine removed for $4000 to...replace the water pump. I was caught by the same nonsense on my Peavey Ultra Plus head. Design flaw all the way. The footswitch is supposed to augment the system by providing ease of access. If the switch is not free with purchase, then EA has taught Peavey the art of paying for more content.
Seems kind of stupid to have a basically unusable feature of the master boost. Does the amp really sound that bad without the master boost engaged?
Its very tight and modern, but it seem to sound less full as 5150 and brighter.
Man i love your picking style. And that amp is a fucking killer 🤘
MY MAN
That guitar is beautiful
You love that one~! Lol
I havnt finished the vid yet but I have a suggestion. I own one of these and it sounds ok when the overall volume knob is at 9 o’clock but it shines once it gets to noon
Walberg’s kid brother!?!?
It’s simply not intended for trash tones. Spot on being rectoish. I don’t dislike it but not my type.
quite literally couldn't disagree more that it doesn't do thrash. it's a slightly modified 5150, one of the most popular amps for ALL types of metal I 😀n existence.
Didn't know Matt Damon could kinda play guitar.
Dope riffs man👊🤘
Thanks, big homie! Appreciate you
This amp require a lot of dialing, and tinkering ime, compared to my BE 50 deluxe for ex, which can't be made to sound bad imo. I find the master boost just ups the volume, you can get really good tone by really dialing the pre/post gains and master volume just right. I find it doesn't wake up at lower volumes like a really high end amp though.
Yeah if the amp needs a bunch specific features set a certain way to sound like a normal amp, I'd argue the amp can only be considered worse than it's brethren without those issues. Like a master boost that needs to be set a certain way to sound good is no longer a master boost, just a switch that can ruin the amp. You can make some arguments post-gain and master volume balancing is a tonal feature, but it does sound like people agree to set it a certain way to get the amp to work correctly. I dunno, it is a 5150 with the built in boost, noise gate, and actual clean channel, but if that's worth the price for a china made amp? That will be tonally ruined if you don't have the footswitch plugged in? Oof, that's a big ask
IT's really just the master boost not being accessible without the footswitch that is the downfall, IMO. People mention Master vs Channel, and it does make a difference, as it does with most amps with that volume configuration, but I also think people overblow it
Is this thing still worth getting?
just received this amp today and before I get started and have a quick question I'm using two notes 8 ohm captor X I'm a bit confused on where to put the impedance switch do I leave it full power at 8 ohm or 1/2 power 8 ohm
Great amp!
Love your channel man. Only thing I gotta criticize tho, is... I don't know how you can decide if you like the tone by sitting so close to your cab. You don't know how your amp/cab/ etc even sounds when you're that close. I've found that you have to be at least 12' away from a 4x12 to even get an idea how your rig sounds. Anyway, keep up the good content, and congrats on getting some sponsors!
Thanks man! To your comment, more of a subjective and personal preference thing. There really is no rule of thumb. There is no "true" spot or rule of thumb where you need to be positioned to judge what you're hearing. What you're hearing will change drastically by moving just a few inches or degrees around the cab. When I'm playing out, I'm usually never directly in front of my cab, and only a very small percent of the audience is directly in front of my cab, while most of the audience will be off to one side or another, by varying degrees. I can tell what's going by sitting where I sit pretty easily.
I mean.. If you gotta use a footswitch to engage a function then might as well have a note on the back to state that! you're not at fault!!
MY sore ego agrees. LOL
That's a dumb design though imo. Footswitches break or it's just more practical not to have a foot switch plugged in for many people who have a "shelf of heads"
This sounds good now. I still want an Archon though as we talked about
Either amp is a good choice, IMO
Definitely get the archon instead of the peavey 🤘🤘
@@bigmike9527 lol
Awesome demo! This is one of my favorite looking amps
U should review the Invective MH now that its FINALLY out
I did a long time ago!
Would it be the king of Peavey amps?
I’m looking to get an MH Invective…Do you know anything about the Peavey 1x12 cab?
I got mine sounding good, so you just unplug it and put it away and never use it again. Those are my settings. I just couldn't get along with it, With the foot switch. I do take it out once in awhile, mainly because I want to like it. I have owned mine for two years, and live or recording I just do not like how it sounds. Not for me.
Great redemtion bro. I admit my comment on your original video was pretty dick and I apologize. Was just butt hurt becasue I knew what the amp was capable of. Again sorry for the shitty comment.
This is a very good video
Thank you!
Twice is nice
I had one of the first Invectives in germany and i brought it back to the shop after 2 months. Its not a bad amp at all but i still was dissapointed because i did not get what i was hoping for and all my other Peaveys (5150/6534+/TripleXXX) just sounded way better. I hated the Gate..for me it was always too much or not much enough..i didnt like the internal boost...the Clean channel was too dark to me so i had the treble almost crancked. The Resonance was weired..the Presence too harsh and yes i had the post gain pretty high to make the Amp thicker and less harsh. I bought it mainly because of the features Clean..Gate...Boost..and these just didnt work for me so there was no point to me in keeping it...
Thanks for the in-depth review, I see one locally and could trade in my Mesa Triple Rectifier but Peavey Triple XXX/JSX/etc heads appear locally in Southern California frequently for less than $500 USD for the full 120w heads. I guess the features raise the price but they're features I don't really need.
@@MaestroJericho i brought mine back after 2 months..its not a bad amp but its one of those where you always tweak the knobs and it was just not as good as my 5150 blockletter or my 6534+..i also have a Triple Xxx and a Triple Rec Rev G. So maybe better think about it or at least try that one first
It’s not a good amp. The fact the Misha only uses the power amp section to drive other preamps says a lot.
The dude has always used Modelers live, so it actually doesn't say much. Everything is subjective, but to day it's not a good amp is just silly.
Am I crazy or does this sound similar to a stiff VH4?
In my experience, the two are nothing alike
To connect to your mesa boogie did you just use mono? and which channel did you put the ohm selector from the head on?
Yes, mono on the back of the cab and 8 ohm output on the amp.
Hey Kyle, do you have any desire to sell your white ESP Eclipse?
Not a huge desire, but money talks
@@belligerentamateur dude I shit you not, there was one exactly like yours posted on reverb in mint condition like 4 hours after I left that comment. The guy just listed it and I bought it immediately lol. But thanks for the reply.
How come I know - there's a 5150 in the basement of that house, a guy that plays metal sitting in his truck over there, the Peavey Invective will be able to stun a small animal from 30 feet away? It's because I'm Kyle Bull, the Matt Damon of Amp Reviewers! How do like them decibels?
Hi kyle, heres one question i have about the invective or any 100+ watt amp. How well does it take a fuzz/distortion pedal (hm-2) . My 6505 hates my fuzz factory 7. I cannot get a good sound out of this 400$ pedal through this amp. But my 50 watt 6l6 loves it. Just wondering for future purchases because i plan on writing a few fuzzcore songs for the future bands set. 😈🍻
I'm not the best guy to ask here, honestly, but it usually depends on how good the clean channel is, and the 6505 clean channel is known to be pretty poopy. A super clean amp is usually a good pedal platform
I just thought of a question for faq fridays. What are you thoughts on made in usa vs made overseas amps. For example first gen archon made in usa. Upcoming archon made in indonesia
Kyle, did you have the master boost engaged and at 10 or just engaged and at zero?
Engaged and at 10!
@@belligerentamateur Cool. Good to know. I have one arriving Tuesday. I also didn't gel with it the first time so I am hoping that makes it a great amp for me and I liked the clean channel, the gate, and two effects loops.
This amp sorely needs a 50 watt, half-size version akin to the EVH 5150 III 50 way. The full size head isn't great for musicians on the local circuit and some of the features on the 120 are overkill. The 20 is too hampered by the EL84s and packs a few to many features. I would definitely try/buy an Invective 50.
1000% would buy an invective 50 for 999-1299 usd they would have a very competent and competitive head in the market then. I fully believe that 2000 for a head puts it slightly out of reach for quite a few guitarist but at 1000-1299 it would be competing in the same space as the evh heads and would be amazing
The invective has a switch on the back to make it 60 watts
@@TinyLegs15243 it's not the wattage but the size. I'm not into dragging full size heads around.
@@neighbourhoodmusicianthat’s fair
what was the first riff you did? It's driving me crazy because i've heard it a million times
Well, it's one of my bands unreleased songs so hopefully it doesn't sound too similar to something else. Haha!
@@belligerentamateur Listening again, It's only E, A#, F part that sort of sounds familiar. Sounds good dude.
@@belligerentamateur awesome. Was gonna say I swear I’ve heard it before. I think I’m just remembering it from your videos.
Thrash D, given an amp a second chance. Lesson learned.
I have a Peavey Invective.120 and an Invective.412 cabinet for sale as a bundle. If someone want one. 1 Year old Barely Used.
Have you tried the invective mh?
I sent mine back after trying everything under the sun to get it to sound good.
More like.... invective meh.
No, I really want to grab one though!
I use a Boss GT-8 with just normal metal presets. The preamp of that plus the pushpull gain on my Epiphone makes it sound better than any Metal Concert I've been too. It's professional all the way. All setting spooped in mids and high on bass and treble. I have a Gibson Les Paul HP. With that guitar on clean with Boss GT-8 Preamp it sounds as good as the Original Recordings of Pearl Jam and Nirvana Albums.
QC capture time, please?
Soon!
So I hate to admit this but I’ve never plugged the foot switch in… are you saying I should so I can make the amp sound better?! I have it sounding great so I guess it’s worth a shot lol.
If you want to get the best sound out of it you will need to sell it and get an EVH 🤘🔥
@@bigmike9527 LOL..... true tho.
@@bigmike9527 which one you think smokes the invective ? Just curious.
@@bigmike9527 I see a lot of non-sponsored players use EVH and older Peavey heads but never the Invective so I have my doubts now.
Do you listen to any tech death or death metal?
You play like early Metallica.
Nope, not really. Mostly thrash and hardcore.
@@belligerentamateur Have you heard Have a Blast by Periphery?
My wife loves that jam.
Linus Sebastian level segue there
LOL, he taught me well
RTFM :)
In my opinion if an amp requires some control to be ON at all times and completely maxed out.. it was poorly designed. Honestly it still sounds bad.
Your new review title
' Trash or Trash'
That's really an unintuitive feature.
NO man you are not a idiot! I think that is a bad design by Peavey! You should not have to plug in a footswitch to operate a knob on the back of the amp! Poor design! Don't blame yourself for something that peavey did! So if you lose, forget or it breaks this function is useless without the FS ?
Way to go peavey! FAIL! 👎
Gotta agree with ya here
Yeah, Mesas have all sorts of bells and whistles and switches but I've never seen one designed where "you need a foot switch" to activate/deactivate them.
I think after all you‘ve said in this video you maybe should change the title to ‚I WAS WRONG‘.
I phrased it to catch people's attention/spark interest. One of the many games you have to play with YT in order for it to actually get people to watch your videos. LOL
@@belligerentamateur I totally get that, I just thought it would be fair to change it
Too many bells and whistles for my taste. I would still take the USA made 6505 plus over this.
Miyako Watanabe plays a 6505+. So if it's good enough for the princess of power-metal from Japan.... you know it's good!
I notice, it's bells and whistles that most people already have and I'm sure a nice pedal drive/gate is better than the built-in Peavey one. I notice Misha promotes Horizon/Jackson/BKP/GGD but never promoted the Peavey on his IG, and just used it as a power amp live for his digital rig.
Good and hairy
That's what she said
Meh- these do nuthin fo me 👎🏻
Hope you didn't thumbs down the video just because you don't personally like the amp
@@belligerentamateur I didnt even realize I disliked the post til just now. (6million lil notifications later haha) Definitely didnt mean to so I un (dis)liked “or whatever it would be called” 🧐. I guess my hate for those amps happens to be THAT strong haha. Didnt mean to drag your analytics down. Hope that fixes it. Keep rockin dude!
There's something special about a young guy playing 40 year old riffs.👍
I like me some classic thrash, hardcore and crossover!
I just didn't like the sound of it.
dude ya gotta clean that guitar neck lol..
Never
first video you didnt like:)))because you didn't set it right..master boost zero and on.
Uh, yeah. I mentioned that. Lol.
Master Boost zero?!? 🤔