Tories face extinction at next election if they can't appeal to younger people
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- The Conservative Party risks heading towards extinction if it does not appeal to younger people, says More in Common's Luke Tryl.
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People stood and clapped for NHS workers whilst the MP's partied but the MP's got the pay rise, that is what needs to change !!
And you think 450 Labour MPs will change that?
@@JupiterThunderyes.
@@JupiterThunder
What do you mean ?
Labour didn't party ,
What's your point ?
As an NHS nurse of 16 years i found “clapping” for the NHS incredibly patronising. Seeing people clapping away like seals every Thursday was the cringiest thing i’ve ever seen. I actively asked people to stop doing it. I just went to work…as i have done every day. Soon as the Pandemic was over nurses became public enemy number 1 as soon as we asked for a pay rise and ended up having to strike for the first time in 100 years to get a paltry 5% which was wiped out by inflation. Most people clapped because it made them look like nice people…
That's a great idea. Index linked MP pay.
I work in a company where most staff are between the ages of 20 and 35. I am not exaggerating, but not a single person I know voted Tory.
No one under 45 has anything to conserve.
@@NeonVisual winning comment
Excellent progress.
@@NeonVisual 😂
As people get older they get more conservative. The problem with the conservatives on this occasion was their utter incompetence. If they can reset they can get back to government. Labour were written off in 2019. Things change very fast these days.
Im literally toying with the idea of joining the tories and voting for braverman. I could do with my grandchildren not knowing who the tories are 😂😂😂
One should be careful what one wishes for...
For a start, they could stop sneering at every issue young voters care about and dismissing them as 'woke'.
I don’t understand why the demographic point wasn’t raised more prominently in the election coverage in relation to the plummeting Tory vote.
Commentators kept saying things like “It is clear many Tory voters have stayed indoors today.”… Yeah, lid-shaped doors, 6ft underground!
The truth is a huge number of 2019 Tory voters have carked it.
Now now, dead people should be allowed the right to vote Tory.. Most of them have one foot in the grave already!
The whole thing was stage managed, including saying Labour was a done deal.
This was targeted to indifferent voters, to make them stay at home.
It's because there isn't a way out of it that they can sell.
incredibly, the Tories killed their own voters by Hancock DELIBERATELY Sending pensioners back from hospital to their care homes while infected with c19.
Hancock KNEW what would happen.
For me...he should be on trial at the Hague: Crimes against Humanity.
If you think that people dying played a significant part in the change of the vote share, you are deluded. Its 5 years, not 25. No, its because they betrayed their voters and their voters abandoned them.
Has anyone ever seen a young conservative? There's something profoundly peculiar about them. Of course, they're ex-private school kids, but a very particular subset. What normal young person would want to be associated with that? I feel (I hope) the Tories have a big problem on their hands here. May the next generation care about the environment and fairness, and isn't someone who knows the price of everything but the value of absolutely nothing.
Correct! Young Tories are just so creepy! I was watching PoliticsJoe's channel interview young Tories at PopCon, asking them what went wrong with the election and those boys (they were all men) were very....abnormal. There's something off about them. Private schooling has robbed them of social cues, maybe?
What else do you notice about that group of people?
@@yesand5536 Lack of human empathy?
Powerful, honest statement of fact. Well done
I did, his name was Tristan, lord Wilson. His older sister Georgiana though showed some sympathies with Labour. It must be because as a female she can't inherit the title and estates in full, thanks to 11th century rules.
I said in 2016 that Brexit would be the end of the Tories. I still stand by that. They let the far right in. They lifted the lid on a whole can of worms, It's gonna take them a long time to put that lid back on, if they ever can.
Far right isn’t the problem, problem is Brexit was just some establishment plot get rich, the real far right would help British people
@@johnhenry4844 Now I am waiting for your list of far-right governments that have served the common citizens of their countries. I can't think of a single one.
The idea that the Tories are "far-right" is ludicrous. They are woke, open-borders leftists, with tax-and-waste, tax-and-spaff policies.
@@gio-oz8gfThey rarely get elected unless circumstances are really bad and then they move to crush opposition.
@@johnhenry4844Drivel
If the Tory answer is Badenoch or Braverman, Labour will be in govt for the next decade
If they do a decent job from now they will be in power for 15 years.
@@geraldbutler5484 lets hop2, that being said people are fickle, Brexit was never going to work and that's not hindsight, yet they still voted for it???
PM Starmer for 15 years, then PM Rayner for 5-10.
We can but hope.
Good
By younger people does he mean anyone under 70?
Might as well have said "working people"!
Badenoch and Braverman were known to be wildly incompetent in running their departments when they were ministers. All they wanted was headlines to promote themselves.
When the majority of Brits realize that good competent government is the most important thing in their lives, then Tories will become extinct.
Perfectly said !
Not much talk about the 450000 who were turned away because of a lack of voter ID.
Which almost all of came back later with ID
I got my polling card, a separate flyer, and two Facebook ads all reminding me to bring ID. Plus this was the second election where its been needed. At this point, being turned away for not bringing ID is a skill issue.
Tories despise younger people...
Because young people don’t have money to donate.
@@TheSuperPsychoKillerBu t, increasingly, young people have begun voting. That's the Tory conundrum.
Braverman is, I feel, the Tory leader most wanted by Labour and LibDems.
Braverman or Badenoch - another brown skin right-winger will NOT be the Tories’ deliverance.
@@67Parsifal Nice racist angle you got there.
The polls saying that the Labour party was sure to win the GE, week after week, probably caused some left wing voters to treat the GE like a local election, and they voted for greens, liberal democrats or some other left wing party other than Labour. Also I think a very small subset of previous Labour voters went over to vote for Reform. It does look like the Tory party are in an existential crises. Though it's too hard to say at the moment, what will happen to the Tory party.
The lieing and corruption might just need to be addressed too.
Incredible that tactical voting isn't being discussed here apart from a cursory mention. Although apathy, switching to Greens, etc was obviously a factor, many of those who said that they would vote Labour early on in the campaign switched, tactically, to the Lib Dems. How else do we explain the massive rise in Lib Dem seats? That's what pollsters should be focused on asking - how many switched their vote for tactical reasons?
They f'd around and found out
Nice work Boris. Wrote of several marriages the Conservative Party and the UK economy👍
But we all got to have a bit of a giggle so ...
He was also instrumental in getting the "moderate undecided" to vote Brexit. Those who didn't like Farage, but wanted all those millions every week to the NHS.
It is Gen Zed here, not Gen Zeeeee 😂
haha
GET REKT TORIES!
They could appeal to young voters by promising Brexit benefits. Since they claim it will take 50 years for the benefits to materialise then it's only young people of today who will be around to enjoy them.
I take your point, but your talking about people just coming into work knowing that they won't benefit from Brexit until they retire.... which means they never will, unless they don't retire until they are 85, which is a possibility that Brexit may force on them.
They DID promise immediate Brexit benefits (£350 million a week for the NHS, etc). It was all a lie and that isn't going to change.
@@sly1968sithe original commenter was being sarcastic
WAHH! WAH! WEFAWENDUM! WAHH!
A brexit benefit is full control of immigration. Indeed, it was a repeated Tory manifesto promise that they could've achieved to cut legal immigration numbers to tens of thousands, by introducing a points system at very little cost or effort. Why did they open the doors wider upsetting their core voters who then either stayed at home or put their X elsewhere.
What did the tories do for you?
Handed the Labour party a big majority.
Nothing, but for many others they signalled it's absolutely fine to be racist.
@@encoreunefois1Xonly the indigenous British will be loyal to UK wholeheartedly, migrants with different race may be still loyal to their original country even after few generations born in UK, they put the interest of their own tribe over indigenous British
The Tories lost because people like me, a pensioner, who they complacently think will vote for them. They forget that we are not senile and content with cups of tea, and sitting in our armchairs watching TV. For myself I have been a member of a union and was actually on strike although it was many years ago..
Good!!
😂 don't threaten me with a good time🎉
highly unlikely there will always be ordinary folks that have more hate and greed than a desire to build in them so the tories will always be around... unfortunately
Sure. Like there will always be Dixieland Jazz fans. Doesn't mean you're gonna actually win seats based on it.
And BREXIT just keeps giving and giving🎉🎉🎉
And Net Zero keeps taking and taking.
You lost get over yourself
Let’s all pretend it wasn’t a worldwide pandemic, a war in Ukraine, 4 different prime minsters in less than a year and carry on our pathetic rhetoric of blaming everything on Brexit. Next you will try to tell us all Putin attacked Ukraine because of Brexit, the container ship that hit a bridge in US was because of Brexit and your granny died because of Brexit. You’re like a broken record, parroting the same drivel over and over again expecting people to believe your tripe.
@KevinCleghorn we ALL lost.
@@slayerrocks2 agreed 👍
"..Only 36 percent of reform voters said they might have gone for Conservative."
Exactly 💯 my take. If the Cons go Reform theyll lose more to the Lib Dems and Greens.
I’ll drink to that.
🍾 🥂
🎉
That'll be good. let's do that, then.
Tom T is head and shoulders the best choice of those left as Party Leader if the Cons plan on being in the running next time. Any hook up with Reform and they may as well give up and go home now.
That’s assuming no economic collapse, if that happens we may as well all give up!
Good. This is not a problem.
governing well..or at all!!!!
I voted Labour and I have always voted Labour. I am a member of the Labour party and while I have no great hope that the current Labour government will make things significantly better for my life, or implement the "changes" that I would really like to see, at least the Tories will be out of power for a good long while and I am enjoying their current state of discomfiture. Small crumbs of comfort, but better than nothing I suppose. However I'm glad that the SNP got shafted big time because I hate those preachy self-righteous b@stards just as much as the Tories.
NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF
We can but hope.
Are you trying to cheer me up 🤣🤣🤣💬 you so right 🤣🤣
What people aren't talking about is the population is about to drop because we are ageing and the conservative party is about to be hit hard by this.
I’m in my 50’s and they don’t appeal to me! As for younger people, forget it they have no chance.
I like it when they interview pollsters. It's interesting to hear their findings
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"...left the electorate..."😅🤣
Tories go extinct ? Well we wiped out Polio didnt we ?
Let's hope so.
In other news... bears and woods, popes and funny hats. Much respect to Luke Tryl, just tiring of these tired headlines from sub-eds which state the obvious.
Weve lived through the last 14 years we dont want them lol
How about if they do what they were voted them in for.
There's a novel idea.
Nah, it'll never catch on
Extinct species usually get dug up and displayed in a museum. It would be quite interesting to see old Tory bones in Cromwell Road.
Oh how we would miss them ....NOT !!
Don't forget to preserve the fossils as a reminder
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Promises, promises…
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One can only wish…
I was turned away because i did not have photo id
love listening to luke tryl
Truth is global events outside our control will likely shape the future of this country far more than our own governments could imagine
I wonder how well Labour would have done, if Corbyn had still been in charge?
With any luck they will go the way of mammoths
The all powerful Liberal party lost any point in the first two decades of the C20th. The same will now happen to the Tories. In a decade's time they will be seen as an anachronism.
They have no stake in the system. Why vote Tory?
Just like their Canadian cousins did in 2003, "absorbed" by the Canadian version of Reform.
MORE PEOPLE NEED TO STOP VOTING
Fine by me.
They need new faces not old ones.
To which Tories go "uugggghhh young people, who even are they?". And I go "good gooooood"
20-30 years ago, Canada had a conservative party and a reform party. We also had a conservative party that destroyed itself. It's very interesting to watch this drama play itself out in another country. I could predict what will happen, but I guess you have to learn this for yourselves. Good luck.
No go on tell us
Be interesting how many young voters would vote Labour if Labour offer social conservatism but social democratic economic policies Vs a liberal social policy and liberal, but small state, economic pro-European Tory Party?
Have we forgotten Tory voter suppression all of a sudden?
If they realise that the younger generation are more alturistic and society centred than the tories that would help.
awwww its almost sweet....poor Times Radio, still in denial: "They missed the drop in the Labour Vote..." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHA
Please
In 2019 Labour were reduced to their core vote. What did we see, when we looked at the 2019 election map? The core vote was in INNER CITIES. The voters were in POVERTY. They were mostly IMMIGRANTS.
Yes, immigrants are usually younger than the native population.
According to pollsters, 2/3rds of Labours vote is coming from immigrants. This matches the constituencies where Labour does well, and explains Labour MPs continued focus on immigrants in their constituencies. Nevertheless, Labour's vote FELL in 2024.
Mean reform is socially right but economically to the left of labour ironically
Votes at 16. Get 8 million citizens back on electoral roll. Reform the Lords. Reboot democracy.
40% OF THE POPULATION DID NOT VOTE 16 YEAR OLD BRAIN DEAD WHAT A JOKE THAT IS
It's always a difficult time for the pollsters... Can we just move forward with psychic octopi; more interesting and cuter. Also put the prediction boxes in the ocean not a tank. Problem solved.
" Tories could go extinct".
Was that title written by a five year old?
Of course they wouldn't vote for the conservatives when their not conservative
The danger for the Conservatives, is arguably the Liberal Democrat’s more than Labour. The one nation electorate didn’t like the dialling back of net zero plans, to keep the extreme right inline and voted Liberal Democrat, because their proposals are more inline with their concerns and no way would they vote labour. Unless the Conservatives can stop the circular firing squad and move back towards the centre, they will continue to have major issues.
Young people are more left wing old people are mostly right wing
When young, they expect "others" to pay for them. As they get older and, in the workforce, it's their pockets the state robs from, to pay for all these spongers on state handouts. It's not really a left or right wing thing.
Young people don’t own anything. There’s nothing to conserve.
Good bye to the con party
If labour do a half decent job they are finished anyway
THEY WONT 40% DID NOT VOTE GOOD FOR THEM
Torys got propery T Bagged in the election😂
40% OF THE POPULATION DID NOT VOTE YES - YES - YES
Young people aren't the driving force of the electorate. The Tories coming back to government will depend on how Labour does, if the Liberal vote holds up, how well they do in the polls and if they're able to capture the support of Reform voters. If there's a perfect storm of these events happening then the Conservatives can back in quite quickly. It won't happen but the reality is that the Conservative party are more successful at winning elections than any other party in the history of human civilization apart from maybe the Republican party in the United States, the National Party in New Zealand and the Liberal National Coaliton in Australia.
young people get older though. i was a green voter in 2015, still voted green in 2024.
Yes, and it is also worth taking into account the investor's adage: "past performance is not a predictor for future performance".
Good riddance to them. All I want is a party who deals in facts. Net zero is self harming and nobody points out countries with cheap food also have high carbon emissions. It is why it is. Starmer will lead Britain to more hardship, because the Tories set it all up for them. Reformuk all the way for me.
" Net zero is self harming "
Climate change is causing erratic weather which cuts crop yields leading to higher food prices. Example, the price of olive oil has rocketed because the yield has fallen due to hot weather, which also helps diseases that infect olive trees. There are plenty of other examples of extreme weather due to climate change cutting crop yields.
"countries with cheap food also have high carbon emissions"
They have cheap food not because they have high carbon emissions, they have cheap food because land prices are low, and land prices are low because they don't have rich landowners extracting rents.
Most of the agricultural land in the UK is owned by old money aristocrats and foreign hedge funds who charge farmers high rents, so farmers have to sell their produce for high prices.
Reform is very explicit in their manifesto that they work for the interests of old money aristocrats and foreign hedge funds. If you read beyond the slogan "stop immigration", you'll see that they want to cut taxes for rich people, remove inheritance tax, which only benefits rich people, and trash the economy putting up mortgage rates for ordinary people.
In any case the price of non-fossil fuel energy is coming down so fast that in many parts of the world it's already cheaper than fossil fuel energy.
If the UK doesn't make the transition to net zero we'll be left behind other countries, and still depend on dodgy countries for energy. There is no energy security if we have to import oil, gas and coal from countries that may choose not to be friendly anymore.
Wind is free and we have plenty of it. Let's use it.
You made the mistake of trying to persuade him through reasoned analysis and a fact based argunent @@JohnSmall314
Why do you want to vote for a party that is anti-innovation, does not like smart people and signs the worth on a person based on where they come from or what they look like? That's no way to win the economic war against China.
Sorry, but I can't find a small enough violin!? Sadly the electorate have short memories. In 5 years time, things will not have improved enough (to recover from the 14 years of Tory misrule!) and Labour will take the blame. The only hope is that the remorseless march of time, will have sufficiently thinned the ranks of the traditional Tory/Reform support base?!?
First move by Labour's Ed Milliband has been to cancel any new oil drilling in the North Sea. It's going to be much worse if the economy is expected to driven by intermittent wind.
If Labour is so good, why did people switch to Conservative in 1979 & 2010 after more than a decade of Labour rule? Conservative changed the policies from high benefits to austerity
@@yipzoe3865 The Labour benefits were driven by tax and spend mostly with PFI contracts. They ran out of other people's money as all socialist governments do.
The Consocialists did no better at handling the nations public purse, spent even more, adopted NET ZERO to forced most industry to flee and as a final coup de gras, closed down the economy for 2 years.
Now Labour is back in...and so the spiral of decline continues
@@yipzoe3865 Who said Labour was "so good"? What we have plenty of evidence of, is that the Johnson brand of Conservatives really were SO BAD!! People need to look carefully at what is on offer, before voting. Too many older voters (and I am one) vote on a traditional basis.
@@philthrelfall5294 thousands of wealthy people have left UK since Labour is elected, Dyson has cut 1000 employees in UK and switched part of investment to Singapore recently, because the tax in Singapore is very low.
Labour support migrants and released 100000 illegal immigrants from detention, many small boats are on the way to UK now.
Only the manifesto of Reform UK can save UK
The next UK election will hopefully be an election where the parties voters vote for will be fairly represented in parliament according to how many voted for each party. 😉
There's no way that's going to happen when the governing party has an overwhelming majority under the current system.
Labour got a smaller vote share than expected primarily becausea lot of labour voters voted Lib Dem to rid themselves of the Tories in their constituency where a Labour vote would have split the progressive vote share. The tactical voting was the main cause for smaller labour numbers, and it absolutely worked. In an ideal world, Labour would invite the Lib Dems, Greens and maybe Plaid Cymru and the SNPs as well to form a progressive coalition, even though their majority doesn't require it.
Twaddle, of course (as always with this channel). The Tories tend to appeal to older people, and the population is aging. There are more older people than ever, and the number will only increase. Appealing to youngsters is not a critical issue for the survival of the party.
The future is bright. The future is left wing.
NOTHING TO BE PROUD ABOUT
They're not gonna become extinct, Britain is (sadly) naturally a Tory country. And, apart from anything else, in the course of time young people become old people. Also sadly.
Young people almost never vote nowadays., so their opinions do not matter much. They think about politics sometimes and sometimes even talk about voting it but most decide to stay in bed. If you want to win an election you have to persuade pensioners, as they are the most numerous cohort of the population nowadays. The Tories did not manage to persuade pensioners that they had served the country rather than themselves.
I am 31 and I have never met anyone a similar age to me who votes Tory ever since I have been old enough to vote. Most people I know use the word Tory as an insult tbh.
I am over 80 years old and ever since old enough have voted Conservative. However, after a complete display of incompetence will never vote for them again. I live alone and now fighting to survive and yet the Government keeps allowing the continual invasion of illegal immigrants that the tax payer is funding to stay in posh Hotels. It doesn’t make sense to me so where were these MP’s educated because they are supposed to be far better educated than me and elected to look after our interests.
Not posh hotels you drank in their lies
80 years and still being duped by the scapegoating rhetoric of rightwing politicians?
''I am over 80 years old and ever since old enough have voted Conservative.''
You can't cry over spilt milk when you were part of the group that threw it all over the floor. You voted for them time and time again and you got what you voted for
They’ve always been incompetent, you just didn’t notice before
Sadly, too much arrogance and self serving amongst them. Sunak was surprisingly good but in an ineffective party stood little chance
Labor has already doomed and it was reform that will win at the end
People who put an extra-ordinary amount of focus on how people look or where they come for, tend to be terrible at adapting to change, particularly one where the economy is starting to be run by AI. Tell me which economy will soar? The one where a brilliant AI engineer is rejected because they have brown skin, or where where they go "fk it, don't care where you come from, how will you make me rich today?". Hmmmm tough one. 55 year old readers of the Daily Mail are not on the forefront of innovation and having concrete plans to deal with China.
People want free hand outs, to lazy to work stop benifits, give food vouchers only
Tories got a few free handouts... couldn't imagine giving Tory donors food vouchers.😂😂😂... and people wonder why the Tories got gutted.😂😂😂
Yes, the Tories made sure their people got lots of free money without working. I am sure you are talking about the 1% here.
It's really quite simple. 4 million+ voted Reform because they want a party who will DELIVER on traditional centre right policies, such as taxation and controlling immigration. The Tories say they will do x and don't do x. That is what gets punished. Voters want a party they trust will carry out the policies. So it's not a split of centre-right ideology. It's a criticism of that ideology not being put into practise. The same as Brexit not being fully implemented because too many didn't want it in the first place and did not respect the vote. It's just a case of people wanting the ideology to be put into effect. The Tories showed they only gave lip service to this ideology so they lost votes. If the Conservatives go more to the left that is the final nail in the coffin.
The funny thing is though, that in reality, immigration will not be cut. Have you noticed worldwide trends and the effects of climate change? In 10 years+ immigration will be massive, and as much as some people keep worrying about different looking people who aren't from 'around here', immigration is what will propel some economies. And the world doesn't give a fig if the UK can't handle this truth. They will benefit from immigraiton (high or low skilled labour). Very few large businesses are anti-immigration, and since business is what the Tories are all about (capitalism), then if they move away from being business-centric towards those who have no clue how the world works, they will castigate themselves to that world. It's a very small one.
Anyway, who likes to talk to people who are anti-innovation?
@@yesand5536 The UK has always accepted immigration, it is not the case of people not wanting immigration or "the UK cannot handle" a truth. The question is controlled immigration. Any nation state should be able to set their own target on what it considers to be a reasonable number, in which sectors, at any given time, without needing the rest of "the world to give a fig". If the numbers are too high at a time when the infrastructure cannot support it then it is the role of government to intervene.
You can debate the issue but not reduce the opposing argument to "people who aren't from round here" or "who wants to talk to people who think differently to me" or equate this idea with a lack of innovation. Individual businesses' concern is primarily about themself, their interest is solely in their individual profit, not the overall health of the state at a larger level. That is the role of government. Nor is a policy of controlled reduced numbers inherently anti-business. Reform did get 4+ million votes so you have to reflect this in your argument. Are you suggesting that should all be reduced to racism or the like? That sounds very simplistic. That is your prerogative, but I think you would be wrong to do so. The Tories were just heavily defeated. Heavily. My suggestion is as to a primary reason why.
After a couple of months with Labour, the nation will be begging Tories to come back ( they won't be asking Reform, there's not enough RACIST support in the UK for them to make an impact.)
😂😂😂... dream on... 😂😂😂
I'm astonished the Tories got as many seats as they did. I haven't heard a single person day they wanted to vote Tory since at least 2021. They're gone for good. Thankfully
No they won’t 🤣
GOOD!!! We need a REAL conservative party, not this socialist joke lot.