Sketchy Politics: the extinction election? | FT
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- The FT's UK political commentator Robert Shrimsley and deputy comment editor Miranda Green ask whether Reform will be behind a Conservative extinction level event
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Would be good to have lib dems as the opposition so the debate is round healthcare, education and climate instead of culture wars.
Definitely. I think with such a rubbernecking focus on the imploding tories, some broader media is dropping the ball/losing focus that this is election has really become a race for the opposition. I think government/politics/PMQs in general would be much better if there is a vaguely coherent Official Opposition with the LibDems (perhaps others) to hold a Labour Government to account, rather than a chaotic Reform/Tories.
There would still be disagreement over trans people just because Labour has gone well to the right of the Liberal Democrats on that issue.
@@emilynelson5985 I think Starmer's jsut done that to stop Tories getting ammunition to attack him. I don't think he is actually that bothered.
@emilynelson5985 they had in their manifesto a section about respecting trans people's rights and banning conversion therapy. I get they may not be perfect on the issue but they haven't gone well to the right on the issue. If you look at the tory rhetoric on such issues you'll realise that there is a lot of space to labour's right on trans issues
@@MichaelJones-wh9cy I hear you but I just feel like people are still not going TO labour like people went to Blair in 97. Right now people are only against the Tories.. Plus, the boundary changes slightly favour the Tories. IDK I just feel it's going to be trickier for Labour than the polls are saying this far out.
The Johnson purge of the sensible centrist wing of the party is a big problem for the Tories. That leaves a gap where the nice conservatives don't have a political home - they almost certainly can't vote Tory with a clear conscience, so what do they do?
nothing nice about selling out your country.
Sketchy politics is an absolute delight to watch
For sure. I love it!
It's the best political seiries!!!
Best pragmatically to vote tactically for whoever has the highest chance of beating the Tories in your seat - whether that’s Labour or Lib Dem or whoever. Labour are polling to win a massive majority but the stretch goal for tactical voting is to have the Tories reduced to so few seats the Lib Dems have more and become the official opposition. How much better would it be for everyone on the left and in the centre to have the pro EU, pro PR pro environment Lib Dems given much more media attention than the increasingly right wing incompetent Tories. I’m a Green voter by preference I’d happily tactically vote for Labour or Lib Dems to keep a Tory out.
The Tories aren't being punished just for incompetence.
They are primarily being punished for outright criminality.
So true. Get the criminals out!
The fact we have so much discussion about tactical voting only underlines just how bad our FPTP system is. For moderation and stability some form of Proportional Representation has to come soon, for the sake of everyone. If FPTP is so great why do so few democracies use it and why, when setting up devolved gov'ts in the UK wasn't it applied there? Westminster knows FPTP is broken but ConLab are too invested in it to put the good of our national democracy ahead of their own party.
Remainer tories should vote Lib Dem 🔶️ because brexiteer tories are voting reform.
I'm voting reform, lib dem are a joke, remember there student fee fiasco?
You ignore it no doubt, just like people ignore tony Blair war crimes
But isn't the lib dem manifesto quite left wing? Would that attract disenchanted conservative voters?
Socially it's quite Liberal. But what would you rather have - a Labour landslide of 500 seats or a genuine opposition.
@quintuscrinis8032
A 500 seat majority can't do anything more than an 80 seat majority, so it doesn't really matter.
@@hypsyzygy506it matters a great deal if Starmer doesn't have to care about rebellions because his numbers are stupid high.
Vote Lib Dem to stop labour having unchecked power to do nothing, vote Lib Dem to make them the opposition
Much happier with the idea of the Lib Dems as the opposition rather than the Tory's or Reform/Brexit/BNP party. Could actually imagine them acting as a good faith opposition, rather than opposition for the sake of opposing
I too would be happier with labour in power lib dem in opposition, I've got to vote labour though, best chance of getting the tories out which is what i really care about.
Lib dems main opposition party great. But not listening to the right wing media or the leftist commentators declaring that Labour will do nothing constructive in power. Or that Labour will make things worse. I will wait and see.
It depends on the constituency you're in.
It's more important to get the Tories out than it is to have the Lib-Dems as the opposition.
The Tories won the Uxbridge by election because the Greens and Lib-Dems split the progressive vote. The Tories won by 495 votes, the Greens got 893 votes and the Lib-Dems got 526 votes.
So all those people voting Green or Lib-Dem, thinking ideological purity is better than ending Tory chaos and national decline were actually voting for a Tory MP.
It's far too dangerous to let any Tory win. We can have arguments over relatively minor ideological points later.
@ciaranheikeclark very much depends on your seat. And a Labour super majority will just see them fall apart as well given they currently have no real policies at the moment.
I'm upset as a Green that there is a picture of Galloway as well as other political aides but not Carla Denyer. Same for Plaid and the SNP having no faces
They are irrelevant, vote reform
Reform has been so over present in the media generally. Northern Ireland is not even a footnote. We need a more balanced voting system to allow the diverse opinions to be heard in Parliament.
My tactical vote to get out the Tories is Labour but I'm really temped with the Liberal Democrats and as a strong supporter of rejoining the EU
Labour are on track to get a big win as it is. We need the opposition to be Liberal to push the red Labservatives to be progressive rather than constantly fighting to hold off the Tories/reform.
Even if it is just to help the national vote totals, we need the Lib Dems to outdo the Conservative/reform parties - definitely worth voting for them if we want to see the Tories out long-term.
Thing is if you live in what’s become a close Labour-Conservative marginal tactical voting for Labour counter-intuitively helps the Lib Dems much more. Labour are set to win a massive majority in any realistic scenario and past about a 100 seats there’s no practical further benefit. The real prize from a lot of anti Tory tactical voting is to reduce Tories down to so few seats the Lib Dems are in 2nd place and the official opposition. Think how much better it would be to have a pro EU, pro electoral reform party having more focus in PMQs and the media. I’m a Green voter but I’d happily tactically vote for Labour or the Lib Dems if I lived somewhere where the Tories had even a slight chance.
If there's a real chance the Tories can win your seat then you should vote tactically, whatever that means in your area specifically. They need to be taught a lesson they will never forget about taking the British public for fools.
Yep split the labour vote by voting libdem
@user-it7lf7kk8m if Labour are looking to win the seat by 20 points and a majority of 250 surely you would rather have a strong Liberal opposition over a Faragist/Tory one?
First past the post is an utterly ridiculous system.
Simple for everyone to understand, but not the fairest
They underestimated the silent majority during the referendum vote. Will they underestimate it again?
Love the panic in media and donors about Tory doom. All that money and scheming all those years failed....
Always a treat when I see one of these videos
These two are hilarious together 😂
They're great!
I was thinking the exact opposite lol. Never watched them before and probably won't be again.
A super majority makes no difference to the ability of a government to enact legislation. Any majority gives that capability.
A super majority would do two things, it means the government can feel able to do whatever it wants and it means that the radical backbenchers will do the same to Labour as they have done to the Tories over the last 5 years.
@@quintuscrinis8032 If anything, the opposite is true. Look at May's slim majority (albeit a coalition gov't) and how much power that gave to the ERG and DUP during the Brexit negotiations and eventual defeating of the various bills. Every party is going to have extreme fringe elements that get elected, a super majority nearly ensures that they won't be able to block bills or drive policy. Unless the party itself is extreme.
Dissent will come from within. When you have such a large majority, all the factions will be on manoeuvres jockeying for advantage. Look at the Tories. Did they do anything useful with their 80. No they just spent all the time playing musical leaders
I've been wondering where the Lib Dems were - turns out they're all on this page!
11:11 people said the same about Labour in the early 1920s!
And the Liberals where in the same situation as the Tories are now at the same time.
0 SEATS!!
All the video is about a supposed left/right split.
Debate is dead.
Thanks for these wonderful videos.
That picture of Suella will haunt my nightmares.
Move fast and build things is so genius if labour don't steal that I'll be very disapointed.
I think you’re both underestimating the electorate we’re not as stupid as the left seem to think we are
Stupid enough to vote for Brexit😂
@@Dionysos640 they wouldn’t allow that to happen because they’d end up voting for reform UK
Or you could teach them useful skills
@@Dionysos640 so you want someone to agree with you only want to teach one type of ideology in school. This is where it gets dangerous. The far left is more violent racist and fascist then what they project upon others.
@@user-it7lf7kk8m Keeping the electorate dumb is how the tories have been able to stay in control and destroy this country, if people could investigate how BADLY austerity damaged this country they would never touch the tories with a pole as long as Johnson's nose if he was Pinocchio, the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute chat with the average voter, we can very easily alleviate that problem by just getting people better educated on these things
Ed davies doesn't care about image and that is kinda refreshing. If i was british I would vote Lib dem
The UK election polling industry could well be wiped out...I was interviewed about this by the FT in 1992 when the pollsters got it wrong. I am standing as an Independent in Bexhill and Battle. We have two polls saying half or more people would consider voting independent...but we don't feature!
The format is genius.
love this... Lib Dems have an amazing chance to come second
That would be great...finally recovering after the Nick Clegg fiasco
@@daydays12What a tool he was. How little comprehension do you need to have to not realise that the Tories with whom you are in coalition would probably love to sabotage so that they can pick up your seats? I can guarantee you that Brown and Labour wouldn’t have had anything near as much to gain from a Lib Dem wipeout as the Tories did, and how Clegg didn’t realise that I’d beyond me.
And the fiasco after that when they thought they would win and lost their leader
6:05 Keir Starmer on the centre-left... couldn't watch after that as obviously these two talking heads are pretty much clueless.
Who really cares about Capital Gains Tax or VAT on public schools? Only the very rich.
So true ..I don't give a fig for either. Bring it on
GoV WERE CHANGING LAWS TO PERSECUTE..PPEOPLE
FORC -ED
Reform are libertarian, not authoritarian.
Come on, Nige! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
END THE TORIES!!
Vote reform guys, down with lab con
There's no left and right, just a circle. Authoritarianism at the North point. Democracy at the South point. Leftists solidarity East and Rightist common sense and reaction West. Tribalism is a half-way house to authoritarianism, be that oligarchic or autocratic.
excellent stuff - good to see you back Miranda Green!! Nice to see and hear from Robert Shrimsley too, but I wish he wouldn't interrupt so much
I think reform are taking votes from labour but no one seems to be talking about that
Because Labour’s standing in polls has remained relatively stable
They have taken a lot of former Labour voters that went for Boris last time, so this time it is mainly Tory voters even if they were historically Labour supporters.
@@swire6984 came down to 38 hasn’t it
Polls can be wrong. Remember Brexit and the second Camoron reign?
Vote Reform to have a real conservative voice in the parliament. Tories are weak
Question: If you are a Labour or LibDem voter in Clacton - do you vote Tory to keep Reform out?
Reform are going to win Clacton with a landslide, you may well as not bother voting if you want them out, youre wasting your time if you try otherwise
I'm not in Clacton but I am a Lib Dem, and I wouldn't lend the Tories my vote to keep him out. The Tories have tried so hard to emulate Reform that to me they're basically the same anyway, with the exception that Reform support Proportional Respresentation. So personally I prefer Reform to the current incarnation of the Tory Party.
I agree with the political comedian Johnathon Pie on this - in Clacton if Tories have the best chance of beating Farage then I’d tactical vote Conservative but feel sick about it. That said do check the polling close to the time on the stopthetories site close to the election - is it possible that the right vote could split and Labour sneak through and win in Clacton? I don’t know but it seems worth checking.
Brilliant discussion again guys 😊
Yup!
the highlight of my week
They are refreshing aren't they?
You enjoy this.
Vote out to help out vote Labour get the nasty conservative party out. Vote Labour 😅😅😅😅😅
We need a big Liberal vote as well to give an opposition that will push Labour to actually be progressive rather than keep leaning right to see off the Tories and reform.
Best pragmatically to vote tactically for whoever has the highest chance of beating the Tories in your seat - whether that’s Labour or Lib Dem or whoever. Labour are polling to win a massive majority but the stretch goal for tactical voting is to have the Tories reduced to so few seats the Lib Dems have more and become the official opposition. How much better would it be for everyone on the left and in the centre to have the pro EU, pro PR pro environment Lib Dems given much more media attention than the increasingly right wing incompetent Tories. I’m a Green voter by preference but I’d happily tactically vote for Labour or Lib Dems to keep a Tory out.
Where’s the next episode? 😢
glad these videos are back
I don’t want Sunak but I really don’t want socialism. Labour policies look a lot like that to me.
Vote who has the biggest chance to knock out your tory MP be that labour, libdem, snp, green or plaid.
Isn't Farage basically an old school tax hating neoliberal in most respects, who just takes a very hard line on immigration? Shouldn't be that difficult for the Tories to see him off once they are willing to shift on immigration, which is much easier as something purely rhetorical once you are in opposition and know you won't actually have to act on it.
Typical Anglocentrism - the Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish parties don't even get a mention!
Exactly at least SNP and Plaid were mentioned. None of the NI parties are ever mentioned even when DUP and Sinn Fein will get more seats than Greens, Plaid, Workers Party and probably Reform.
Labour is turning centre right ( by purging the left), the tories are turnung right- right.
Best synopsis I've seen.
For some years now British politics has been due a major re-alignment to reflect where the real divide in society is - it runs right through both of the present main parties. Maybe this is the election where that finally happens.
What ARE England? ARE England a country? What ARE a Parliament? What ARE a Church?
Reform is hardly a 'conservative' party.
Loved the content, hated the marker sounds.
I like the plasmic nature of your data-modelling
the only people i trust
Vote Tory! Spivocracy Forever! 😉("Green Fire" UK ) 🌈🦉
Can we talk about the only violence that has occurred in the general election has come from labours far left but the media isn’t talking about it?
Why?
@@daydays12 because they’re fascist, aren’t they? And danger to democracy.
Vote ....,you guessed it......Reform !
We have been following Reform and Lord Haw-Haw's policy platform for 8 years now! The country simply cannot afford more of the same, we need change
dead on arrival...old hat
Political analysis for the under fives
Something entirely and disturbingly dystopian about watching people gleefully discuss the rise of the far right in the UK (as in Europe) as if there's anything remotely funny about the absolute darkest aspects of more recent history repeating themselves.
Not far right, calm down. What happened in the 30s was of the left anyway, so you should be more worried about startool and labour
Big Up The Nigel!
A majority of 200 is no different to a majority of 20. stop the silly scaremongering.
Starmer Communist v Reform
Why does she draw "S" like an SNP logo???