Odd thing is, when I was staying in Budapest, they couldn't bring and Guinness in to Hungary. So all the Irish pubs had OHaras. So had a many number of pints of the OHaras
Pretty good stout I enjoyed it I know myself my pallet has changed and seem to loose most stouts these days didn't used to though. If your in the UK you should try theakstons barista stout that's pretty good quite a strong coffee flavour but pretty creamy probably class it in the ohara vibe of having more flavour liking it but not being able to spend all day on it
Hey, love watching from Canada! Be great to see you do a vid from Abbeyleix, just north of Kilkenny! The famous Morrissey’s, Benny’s, J. Bergin, Mooney’s etc…. Also Bob’s Bar in Durrow just down the road. Was over from Canada last week and the pint I had in Mooney’s rivaled the one I had at Gravediggers and Mulligans, although they were fabulous of course! (and the owner, John I think, was quite a character) Anyway just a suggestion, it a BEAUTIFUL town and decent pints!
Ya I like it. We have it over here in Vancouver Canada but it’s in a Nitro can. Definitely chocolate vibe. We also have Oharas Red in a nitro can . I think I might like it a bit better than Kilkenny.
I’d love to try that never seen it. Nicked a glass 🤣😂 nice one. I traveled from the Lincolnshire countryside to the big bad village of London the other week to see Peter Kay at the 02. That there London village scares me it’s big and Smokey and crowded but I’m a massive fan of Peter Kay so I braved it. Anyhoo I digress the point is I went into a brew dog in Canary Wharf and had a pint of Black Heart on tap and I was pretty impressed ( I know brew dog is contra version but the pint let’s focus on the pint ) was decent. I’d have done a vid on my channel but the background noise was unmanageable London is super loud. Great vid as always cheers 👍🍻
The nitro cans of O'Hara's stout are the best thing you can buy outside of Guinness IMO. I'd put it above Murphys and Beamish, and I wouldn't be a craft beer fan at all. But the cans of O'Haras are supreme. Only pain in the bollox is they're 440ml cans, which is why I never buy it and just drink Guinness cans at home.
Have a hop over the pond to England for a pint of Oyster a.k.a Pearl jet Stout. Brewed by Marstons and available on draft in a local near by to me (Nottingham)
Looks like a nice drop ..... Have you thought about Trying Brennan's Irish Stout. .. if you have heard of it .. we got it on our local on tap in the Midlands nice tbh very good
Lol would’ve defo nicked that Kilkenny glass as I was born in the county , do they still serve it ? Will be in Ireland over summer never had it on tap !
Neary's has O'Hara's on draught. O'Hara's have been going since '96, one of the first micro breweries in Ireland. Other great stout on tap to try is Porterhouse Plain also on the go since the 90's but harder to find ouside of the bar with same name though Headline Bar used to sell it.
Only had the O’Hara’s nitro cans which I assume are similar. Also tried the O’Hara’s Nitro Red lately (I’d describe it as the craft version of Kilkenny) What I found with both is that the first couple of sups aren’t great but it improves after that.
disambiguation). Mackeson Stout Mackeson Stout.png Type Milk stout Industry Alcoholic beverage Founded 1907 Headquarters Hythe, Kent, England Products Beer Owner Anheuser-Busch InBev Mackeson Stout is a milk stout first brewed in 1907. It contains lactose, a sugar derived from milk. Milk stout[edit] Milk stout (also called sweet stout, mellow stout or cream stout) is a stout containing lactose, a sugar derived from milk. Lactose cannot be fermented by brewers' yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae), and the residue adds sweetness, body and calories to the finished beer. Mackeson still bears on its label the milk churn that has been its trademark since it was first brewed in 1907. Milk stout was believed to be nutritious, and was recommended to nursing mothers. In 1875, John Henry Johnson first sought a patent for a milk beer, based on whey, lactose and hops.[1] History[edit] Mackeson's Brewery of Hythe, Kent first released the beer in 1909 to celebrate the 240th anniversary of brewing in Hythe.[2] They patented it and licensed it to breweries across the country,[2] so it quickly became a national brand and attracted numerous imitators. Whitbread acquired the brand in 1929.[3] By the 1950s, it accounted for half of Whitbread's production and was brewed in London, Stockport, Kirkstall and Hythe.[4] Brewing at the Hythe plant ended in 1968.[5] The beer was then brewed at the Exchange Brewery in Sheffield. When that was closed in 1993, Whitbread moved production to their Castle Eden and Samlesbury plants. From May 1999, then Vaux brewery until production was contracted out to Young's Brewery of Wandsworth.[3] Whitbread was purchased in 2001 by Interbrew (now Anheuser-Busch InBev). Production was then moved to Camerons Brewery of Hartlepool before moving to Hydes Brewery in Manchester until March 2012. Advertisements[edit] A long-lasting television advertising campaign with the actor Bernard Miles contained the catch-phrase that Mackeson "looks good, tastes good and, by golly, it does you good."[6] For some years, Mackeson has been a 'ghost brand' in the UK - still produced and sold but without advertising or promotion. Versions[edit] In 2012, its ABV was lowered from 3% to 2.8% in order to qualify for duty relief. It is available in 330ml cans and 275ml bottles. A 4.9% Mackeson's XXX is brewed by Carib Brewery in Trinidad for the local market where it is targeted at young men, with the advertising slogan "king of the night".[7] The Trinidadian version is a popular import into Hong Kong, and is among the top twenty highest selling beers there, selling over 500,000 litres a year.[8] British-brewed Mackeson's XXX was imported by a division of Hudepohl-Schoenling of Cincinnati for the US market. This division became Royal Imports after a restructuring in the late 1990s and for a brief while in the early 2000s Royal had the "Triple Stout" contracted brewed in the US, first at the former Hudepohl brewery now owned by Boston Beer Company and then at The Lion in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Try this.
Trailblazer by Joseph Holts is a brilliant stout, 'sessionable' too. Here in Manchester try and find the non-trendy city centre Holts boozers for the best and cheapest pints of Trailblazer. Slainte 🍻👍
Came across O’Hara’s for the first time last summer in Split, Croatia of all places. Place was run by a nice Irish bloke. It thought it was rather, nice, but a bit to chocolaty for my flavour.
Next time your in London try the stout from the bricklayers arms London W1T 1QS or the Ordnance Arms, 29 Ordnance Hill, London NW8 6PS it’s a Sam smith pub not many about it is like cream
@@darwin6883 Yep all of the 4.2% nitro stouts are less calories and can be far easier on the stomach than a number of gassy lagers/IPAs etc if you are that way sensitive. I wonder if it all stems back to historical marketing of Guinness as a meal in itself
@@RichardOliver I realize he was younger, but I was actually upset at Guru's video where he tried Guinness Foreign Extra Stout/ It was almost like he was afraid of flavor.
@@RichardOliver Yeah that is probably a bit of the thinking behind it. But even that I find strange, I don't know why you'd need a blander drink because you have a lot of them? If you're drinking a lot of them, the craic or the bigger consumption tends to mute stuff anyway
Completely agree with the barman. They really should have rebranded Murphys and pushed it. Would have been great to have a strong competitor nation wide to Guinness.
Since you mentioned Kilkenny.. does anyone know of somewhere that delivers cans to the UK? I have been searching all over the internet.Ever since i watched the review of it i have been itching to try some
Guiness pulled it from the UK entirely so youll have to either find a local shop that brings it in or try to ship some over yourself, goodluck doing that easily with brexit though.
My favourite draught beer. Stemmed tulips usually are for strong beers. O’ Hara’s Irish stout has been around since 1998 and won two gold medals in 2000. I drink such stouts and am 19.
There’s also Pitch Stout brewed by Robinson’s in Stockport. It’s,available in most Robinson’s pubs, particularly in the Lake District. That’s an English brewed Stout that’s replacing Guinness in Northern England.
Guinness will never be taken over by another stout in my opinion as a Manchester lad Robinsons beers and stouts aren’t great there in da same bracket as Holts
@@jayd1974 aye but the Guinness guru won’t try them. His audience is Guinness-centric, therefore, Irish-centric. He couldn’t give a toss what 40-yr ex-Guinness veteran drinkers are turning towards, especially in the U.K.
Hey Guru if you have interest in Canada at all, Niagara Falls and Toronto are a short drive from each other and have some very proud Irish Bars Serving Guinness. Come on over for a video! I’m a travel agent, let me know if I can help facilitate at all.
It is better tasting by a small margin than Guinness or Murphy's, but here is the USA it is nearly twice the price. For a little less money than the O'Hara's, I can buy Founders Breakfast Stout which is world class. I can't figure out why the O'Hara's is so pricey.
I ordered a Guinness in Laos (South - East Asia) and yer man poured it above five times, there was more head than body, new style and warm glass. He charged me €7 . I nearly f*cked it back at him.
Don't Understand your comments about beamish, I'm in my 30s and can drink beamish all day long, your pallet has a long way to come yet, beamish and guinness are similar in my opinion
Loving the more matured palate and varied content! Great work!
Another stout on tap is Shandon Stout in Franciscan Well in Cork City. It's lovely
Love O'Hara's - the only issue is that over here in the UK we don't get it on tap, so everything is can unfortunately.
Odd thing is, when I was staying in Budapest, they couldn't bring and Guinness in to Hungary. So all the Irish pubs had OHaras. So had a many number of pints of the OHaras
My favourite drop
Pretty good stout I enjoyed it I know myself my pallet has changed and seem to loose most stouts these days didn't used to though. If your in the UK you should try theakstons barista stout that's pretty good quite a strong coffee flavour but pretty creamy probably class it in the ohara vibe of having more flavour liking it but not being able to spend all day on it
Look out for Shepherd Neame’s Double Stout, bottled. It pours very well and tastes great
Probably a bit strong on the palate being as it doesn't have nitro for the Guinness Guru.
I would recommend the bottled double stout O’ Hara’s makes
Hey, love watching from Canada! Be great to see you do a vid from Abbeyleix, just north of Kilkenny! The famous Morrissey’s, Benny’s, J. Bergin, Mooney’s etc…. Also Bob’s Bar in Durrow just down the road. Was over from Canada last week and the pint I had in Mooney’s rivaled the one I had at Gravediggers and Mulligans, although they were fabulous of course! (and the owner, John I think, was quite a character) Anyway just a suggestion, it a BEAUTIFUL town and decent pints!
Abbeyleix is certainly a savage town, and I say that with as little bias as possible as a barman in Benny’s! Hope you enjoyed your visit to Abbeyleix
Belfast Black stout is available on draft in McHughs bar in Belfast, one of the oldest bars in Ireland
Urban Brewing in Dublin is an O'Hara's pub/restaurant. Good selection of their stuff there.
White Deer Stag Stout from cork comes in a similar pint glass but some places serve it in a more traditional glass aswell.
O’ Hara’s beer glasses vary from place to place Doyles use the straight glass, Mulligans the stemmed tulip and the Kings inn the Irish tulip
White Hag is from Sligo
I love O’Hara’s stout,especially the Leann Follain. One of the best tasting stout from a bottle. Also a big fan of their Pale Ales
Their single and double stout are among my favourites their red ale is good but bested by Sullivan’s red and a few others
Ya I like it. We have it over here in Vancouver Canada but it’s in a Nitro can. Definitely chocolate vibe. We also have Oharas Red in a nitro can . I think I might like it a bit better than Kilkenny.
Good to know. I’ll look for it here in Victoria
I’d love to try that never seen it. Nicked a glass 🤣😂 nice one. I traveled from the Lincolnshire countryside to the big bad village of London the other week to see Peter Kay at the 02. That there London village scares me it’s big and Smokey and crowded but I’m a massive fan of Peter Kay so I braved it. Anyhoo I digress the point is I went into a brew dog in Canary Wharf and had a pint of Black Heart on tap and I was pretty impressed ( I know brew dog is contra version but the pint let’s focus on the pint ) was decent. I’d have done a vid on my channel but the background noise was unmanageable London is super loud. Great vid as always cheers 👍🍻
Top video. In England we can get this in nitro cans and it's decent enough.
Love the way the lad takes three to four good “sips” from the get go. Nice.
The nitro cans of O'Hara's stout are the best thing you can buy outside of Guinness IMO. I'd put it above Murphys and Beamish, and I wouldn't be a craft beer fan at all. But the cans of O'Haras are supreme. Only pain in the bollox is they're 440ml cans, which is why I never buy it and just drink Guinness cans at home.
The Guinness nitro surger works with the cans okay, yeah?
Is the O'Hara's reasonably priced over there? Here in the USA, it costs nearly double for the same size nitro can as Guinness or Murphy's.
Have a hop over the pond to England for a pint of Oyster a.k.a Pearl jet Stout. Brewed by Marstons and available on draft in a local near by to me (Nottingham)
I love O´Haras. Been finding it on tap in Dublin over 12 years now. Sláinte!
Doyles is where I drink it
The Bull and Castle in Christchurch has an absolute delicious pint of O'Haras! Sept 2021 was there.
Doyles is where I drink it same price as Guinness
brennans stout another good one
Looks like a nice drop ..... Have you thought about Trying Brennan's Irish Stout. .. if you have heard of it .. we got it on our local on tap in the Midlands nice tbh very good
I have heard about it but can’t find anywhere must go down to Courtdown this summer.
Cheers pal i hadn't even heard of that stout before today will have to try it when im next over 👍👍👍
Fairly regional beer
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Need to try trailblazer stout - Joseph Holt mate absolute banger
Lol would’ve defo nicked that Kilkenny glass as I was born in the county , do they still serve it ? Will be in Ireland over summer never had it on tap !
Neary's has O'Hara's on draught. O'Hara's have been going since '96, one of the first micro breweries in Ireland. Other great stout on tap to try is Porterhouse Plain also on the go since the 90's but harder to find ouside of the bar with same name though Headline Bar used to sell it.
I prefer Porterhouse quadruple x
He is now morphing into the Stout Guru...
Stout sommelier
Only had the O’Hara’s nitro cans which I assume are similar.
Also tried the O’Hara’s Nitro Red lately (I’d describe it as the craft version of Kilkenny)
What I found with both is that the first couple of sups aren’t great but it improves after that.
disambiguation).
Mackeson Stout
Mackeson Stout.png
Type Milk stout
Industry Alcoholic beverage
Founded 1907
Headquarters Hythe, Kent, England
Products Beer
Owner Anheuser-Busch InBev
Mackeson Stout is a milk stout first brewed in 1907. It contains lactose, a sugar derived from milk.
Milk stout[edit]
Milk stout (also called sweet stout, mellow stout or cream stout) is a stout containing lactose, a sugar derived from milk. Lactose cannot be fermented by brewers' yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae), and the residue adds sweetness, body and calories to the finished beer. Mackeson still bears on its label the milk churn that has been its trademark since it was first brewed in 1907.
Milk stout was believed to be nutritious, and was recommended to nursing mothers. In 1875, John Henry Johnson first sought a patent for a milk beer, based on whey, lactose and hops.[1]
History[edit]
Mackeson's Brewery of Hythe, Kent first released the beer in 1909 to celebrate the 240th anniversary of brewing in Hythe.[2] They patented it and licensed it to breweries across the country,[2] so it quickly became a national brand and attracted numerous imitators. Whitbread acquired the brand in 1929.[3] By the 1950s, it accounted for half of Whitbread's production and was brewed in London, Stockport, Kirkstall and Hythe.[4]
Brewing at the Hythe plant ended in 1968.[5] The beer was then brewed at the Exchange Brewery in Sheffield. When that was closed in 1993, Whitbread moved production to their Castle Eden and Samlesbury plants. From May 1999, then Vaux brewery until production was contracted out to Young's Brewery of Wandsworth.[3] Whitbread was purchased in 2001 by Interbrew (now Anheuser-Busch InBev). Production was then moved to Camerons Brewery of Hartlepool before moving to Hydes Brewery in Manchester until March 2012.
Advertisements[edit]
A long-lasting television advertising campaign with the actor Bernard Miles contained the catch-phrase that Mackeson "looks good, tastes good and, by golly, it does you good."[6]
For some years, Mackeson has been a 'ghost brand' in the UK - still produced and sold but without advertising or promotion.
Versions[edit]
In 2012, its ABV was lowered from 3% to 2.8% in order to qualify for duty relief. It is available in 330ml cans and 275ml bottles.
A 4.9% Mackeson's XXX is brewed by Carib Brewery in Trinidad for the local market where it is targeted at young men, with the advertising slogan "king of the night".[7] The Trinidadian version is a popular import into Hong Kong, and is among the top twenty highest selling beers there, selling over 500,000 litres a year.[8]
British-brewed Mackeson's XXX was imported by a division of Hudepohl-Schoenling of Cincinnati for the US market. This division became Royal Imports after a restructuring in the late 1990s and for a brief while in the early 2000s Royal had the "Triple Stout" contracted brewed in the US, first at the former Hudepohl brewery now owned by Boston Beer Company and then at The Lion in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania.
Try this.
It improves after it warms up a bit
@@oscarosullivan4513
Thanks for your reply 👍🏻
Trailblazer by Joseph Holts is a brilliant stout, 'sessionable' too. Here in Manchester try and find the non-trendy city centre Holts boozers for the best and cheapest pints of Trailblazer. Slainte 🍻👍
I’m a Manchester lad but now live in Cases County Mayo and Holts beers and stout ain’t da best
@@jayd1974 Try the Trailblazer mo chara it might just change your mind.
Holts Trailblazer, Sixex and Mild are fantastic beers 👏
Mild is a beer I would like to try more of as I love an Irish red ale
You got to try the oharas red ale, bloody lovely.
O'Neill on Suffolk st has O'Haras
Came across O’Hara’s for the first time last summer in Split, Croatia of all places. Place was run by a nice Irish bloke. It thought it was rather, nice, but a bit to chocolaty for my flavour.
The O'Haras Nitro Stout out of a can is spot on 🤗.
I would be having a lot of roasty stout
Especially a nice imperial !!
Anywhere still doing sweetheart stout on tap?
With all these different drinks you may as well rebrand as the Pint Professor
Stout sommelier
Beer barron 😂
How about a Porterhouse review? Their Oyster Stout and Plain Porter is good stuff too :)
All four of their stouts are lovely
Porterhouse brewing company Irish Stout on tap is a knockout!
I've seen it in some pubs never tried it I must
Next time your in London try the stout from the bricklayers arms London W1T 1QS or the Ordnance Arms, 29 Ordnance Hill, London NW8 6PS it’s a Sam smith pub not many about it is like cream
Sam Smith x stout far superior to Guinness and all the macro brewery stouts
@@markjohnathanappleton8642 Agreed O’ Hara’s is a family brewery like Samuel Smith’s except unlike Humphrey Smith Séamus O’ Hara is not a bell end
Daragh you gotta check out dragons tail!! Great stought ive only ever had it in bottle but its delichous. Give the jamacians some love.
The barman mentioned that 5-6 20oz. beers is a common session count in Ireland.
What would be the upper limit count over there?
I can't understand the notion of not being able to have a session on O'Haras or Beamish. All 4.2% stouts.
There are so many little myths. idk why people think Guinness is heavy- it's relatively lower calorie and is pretty dry.
@@darwin6883 Yep all of the 4.2% nitro stouts are less calories and can be far easier on the stomach than a number of gassy lagers/IPAs etc if you are that way sensitive. I wonder if it all stems back to historical marketing of Guinness as a meal in itself
It's more about the stronger flavours, I think.
@@RichardOliver I realize he was younger, but I was actually upset at Guru's video where he tried Guinness Foreign Extra Stout/ It was almost like he was afraid of flavor.
@@RichardOliver Yeah that is probably a bit of the thinking behind it. But even that I find strange, I don't know why you'd need a blander drink because you have a lot of them? If you're drinking a lot of them, the craic or the bigger consumption tends to mute stuff anyway
Love O'Haras its also BY FAR the best out of a can compared to Guinness.. (If u can only get a can of stout) on tap i still prefer guinesss
On tap and bottle I prefer O’ Hara’s
Completely agree with the barman. They really should have rebranded Murphys and pushed it. Would have been great to have a strong competitor nation wide to Guinness.
well, I told you about it many years ago, and the best place for it is in Kilkenny
Another great video makes me feel like one 👍
Since you mentioned Kilkenny.. does anyone know of somewhere that delivers cans to the UK? I have been searching all over the internet.Ever since i watched the review of it i have been itching to try some
Unfortunately since brexit we don’t give our quality beers to the uk they belong to us😂 I’m joking 👍🏻
Guiness pulled it from the UK entirely so youll have to either find a local shop that brings it in or try to ship some over yourself, goodluck doing that easily with brexit though.
Thanks for the replies, stupid politics getting in the way of me enjoying some great Irish beverages.
It’s funny you don’t have it in the U K . We’ve had Kilkenny in nitro cans here in Canada for probably 25 years.
Ever tried Cafferys ?
O’Hara’s is lovely. They have an extra stout that is 6%, even better than the 4.2% stout
The old single and double system as used by Cairnes of Drogheda
I'd have to have them side by each. What's the big deal behind Temple? I've not been.
Pretty cool review.
My favourite draught beer. Stemmed tulips usually are for strong beers. O’ Hara’s Irish stout has been around since 1998 and won two gold medals in 2000. I drink such stouts and am 19.
There’s also Pitch Stout brewed by Robinson’s in Stockport. It’s,available in most Robinson’s pubs, particularly in the Lake District.
That’s an English brewed Stout that’s replacing Guinness in Northern England.
Guinness will never be taken over by another stout in my opinion as a Manchester lad Robinsons beers and stouts aren’t great there in da same bracket as Holts
@@jayd1974 Guinness is not that great
@@jayd1974 aye but the Guinness guru won’t try them. His audience is Guinness-centric, therefore, Irish-centric. He couldn’t give a toss what 40-yr ex-Guinness veteran drinkers are turning towards, especially in the U.K.
Was in Mulligans last weekend and didn’t see the O’Haras - I was on the Guinness session
Top pub that mate as a Manc now living in Castlebar County Mayo
It is right next to Islands edge
Hey Guru if you have interest in Canada at all, Niagara Falls and Toronto are a short drive from each other and have some very proud Irish Bars Serving Guinness. Come on over for a video! I’m a travel agent, let me know if I can help facilitate at all.
It's a lovely pint👍
My favourite on draught
Even when drinking at the pub, the tax man is always present. In more ways than 1.
It is better tasting by a small margin than Guinness or Murphy's, but here is the USA it is nearly twice the price. For a little less money than the O'Hara's, I can buy Founders Breakfast Stout which is world class. I can't figure out why the O'Hara's is so pricey.
Looks like an Irish coffee in that glass
They sell all sorts of branded glasses straight, stemmed tulip and Irish tulip personally the straight or Irish tulip I would prefer
Would say the glass is more like a madri rather than a moretti tbh
Stemmed tulip is what they are called usually used for stronger beers. The success of Montretti has made these glasses acceptable to use in Ireland.
You missed mi dazza stout when you were in cork you'll get it in the rising sons brewery on the coal quay
Guinness. Beamish, Murphies and Gilespes
Twice I got a savage hangover off o haras, never again
How much did you drink
'60/70 Guinness a week.' Would that be kegs...?!
you are the man...would happily drink a pint of 'black' with you.
Conor McGregor disliked this video
Who cares if he did he’s not the guru 😂
@@jasonphipps6200 aye give me the gurus bank balance over Mcgregors
@@ADEOLADEEBO what’s this got to do with money
@@jasonphipps6200 ik haha but still imagine thinking guru makes a fraction of what the mac makes
@@jasonphipps6200it’s called a joke
Class
Drank O'Hara's beers in Puertollano in the La Mancha region in Spain...not a tourist place...O'Hara's ...good brewer
Family owned
Come back to Cork and I'll have a Vitamin G wiv ya Guru!
Mena Dhu is good.
I've had the cans here in the states...it's a little bitter for me.
Funny as it is not as bitter as Guinness and does not have that metallic sour twang
@@oscarosullivan4513 Remember I had the ones in the cans not from the tap. So I feel that it has a bitterness to it.
PITCH!
Galway Hooker Irish stout next?
is that a pint glass?
Yes
lads. im a new guinness enthusiast. where do you get the old school tulip glasses from? everything im seeing is gravity
Drink in proper boozers in Ireland
Jesus the price of it
The price of all the beer in that pub
Sure, vintage kitchen is next door, why go to temple bar? keep it local :/
Personally don’t think ya can beat Guinness
Disagree
Your Missing Camdens Srout - One PourTwice As Creamy
Looks a pint 🤔
I ordered a Guinness in Laos (South - East Asia) and yer man poured it above five times, there was more head than body, new style and warm glass. He charged me €7 . I nearly f*cked it back at him.
Drink what the locals drink
Shkyyyboy
Don't Understand your comments about beamish, I'm in my 30s and can drink beamish all day long, your pallet has a long way to come yet, beamish and guinness are similar in my opinion