I remember in the pubs in the 80's, the old people would order a "half and half". Which was half a stout with a bottle of IPA on the side. They'd just pour the IPA into the stout. It may have been their way of creating something like a Porter when it wasn't available on the pump.
Depends where your from - in Fife for example a half and a half was a half pint of beer or ale - probably a 70 or 80 shilling ale and a measure of spirits - usually whisky. Northern England had black and tan - half stout and half brown ale.
Great idea for a video, theres a lot of overlap between the different sub styles but I would say a typical dry stout versus English porter would be showing a drier roasted flavour versus a slightly sweeter more chocolate coffee type thing from the porter based on the recipes I have used
When things go wrong and will not come right, though you do the best you can. When life looks black as the hour of night - *_a pint of plain is your only man!_*
Historically the only difference was the strength. Porter and Stout were almost always partigyled by London breweries (by far the largest producers of both beers) and they used the exact same grist so recipe wise, there was no difference. To understand the difference you need to understand the vocabulary of the time. In the 19th century the word "stout" simply meant strong.
Yes. And the porter was the drink of choice of those working at the port as it was not as strong as the stout so it meant they could go back to work at the port after lunch break. Hence it became known as the porter.
Thoroughly enjoyed this idea, it frequently crosses my mind how perceptible differences could be. I have a suggestion... How about comparing Düsseldorfer Altbier with Californian Steam Beer? Both can be malty, bitter and fermented with slightly unique yeasts. Great show, Martin 👌
I thought he might be trying to throw them off. Either way, I think the glassware might have thrown off his test. He should have served them in a white and red wine glass :)
I don't think pilsner vs märzen, IPA vs PA etc really is good tests... some of them are too overlapping and/or take too much knowledge to know the differences. I think a better test would be pilsner vs ale, or a pilsner recipe but one brewed with lager yeast vs one brewed with ale yeast, etc.
Interesting, I wonder if they would get the same results if you offered a different style of porter and stout for them to test. I think it really depends on the individual beer and not they style alone.
Do Black IPA vs hoppy stout, or dry hopped APA vs session IPA..... 🤪 Interesting episode. Hope to see more of these. Some great ideas I'm seeing in the comments (kveik vs lager yeast).
Irish Stout vs American Porter would be tough. I mostly drink Imperial Stouts and I think that would be much easier, although I'm sure there are some out there that would fool me.
You forgot to list the original which was Brown porter. Kinda weird you put American but missed off the first porter style made. Which I believe was a blend of new using brown malt and not roast and an old/sour porter.
Should just raise the glass against the light... stouts, and especially Irish Stouts have roasted barley in them, that's as dark as you can get... so raising the glass against the light should reveal in the edges of the mentioned vessel the identity of the liquid... if you get scarlet flashes then it's a porter... if you get dark brown or almost black flashes... then it's a stout.
Now explain why my wife thinks cream ale should be creamy? What did she say? "I think of cream ale, I think it's going to be..." I forget exactly what she said. I keep trying to tell her, but she doesn't listen to me.
If you really want to blow tasters' minds, ask them to identify the English porter versus the American porter or American premium lager vs German lager.
I remember in the pubs in the 80's, the old people would order a "half and half". Which was half a stout with a bottle of IPA on the side. They'd just pour the IPA into the stout. It may have been their way of creating something like a Porter when it wasn't available on the pump.
Oh yes I remember that now you mention it.
Depends where your from - in Fife for example a half and a half was a half pint of beer or ale - probably a 70 or 80 shilling ale and a measure of spirits - usually whisky.
Northern England had black and tan - half stout and half brown ale.
Sounds like a black ipa
This could be a fun series. I just did this at a brewery with a cream ale vs kolsch. Interesting similarities and differences.
Great idea for a video, theres a lot of overlap between the different sub styles but I would say a typical dry stout versus English porter would be showing a drier roasted flavour versus a slightly sweeter more chocolate coffee type thing from the porter based on the recipes I have used
What an awesome idea! I love taste tests and can't seem to stay away from them.
When things go wrong and will not come right, though you do the best you can.
When life looks black as the hour of night - *_a pint of plain is your only man!_*
Historically the only difference was the strength. Porter and Stout were almost always partigyled by London breweries (by far the largest producers of both beers) and they used the exact same grist so recipe wise, there was no difference. To understand the difference you need to understand the vocabulary of the time. In the 19th century the word "stout" simply meant strong.
Yes. And the porter was the drink of choice of those working at the port as it was not as strong as the stout so it meant they could go back to work at the port after lunch break. Hence it became known as the porter.
Spot on completely. As a veteran drinker of London’s, their classical Porter tastes no different than their “black cab” Stout
You are making up your own words. "Partigyled"? What does that even mean?
Something to compare ,a regular Pilsner on lager yeast and a Pilsner on the Lutra kveik strain :D
This was a great idea! Pale vs IPA would be good but also just as hard, so may styles of both.
Great video man, enjoy these types of videos!
Fun little experiment Martin!!! Steam beer vs lager might be fun, or Bud vs Miller vs Coors 🤣🤣
I liked the versus. Maybe next time you could try maibock vs german helles export
It would be interesting to know why they felt which one was which.
Tripel vs. Belgian Golden Strong Ale
That was the first one that came to mind, nice call
@@JB-zx9dc Thanks. I am not so sure I could tell them apart myself... :D
I'd sure we willing to try :) Two of my favs..
@@TheHomebrewChallenge All Stouts are Porters but not all Porters are Stouts.
I love this idea as a video.
I like the idea a lot! How about Pilsner and pale lager? Black IPA and hoppy porter?
Pale Ale vs IPA could be interesting or IPA vs DIPA.
Thoroughly enjoyed this idea, it frequently crosses my mind how perceptible differences could be. I have a suggestion... How about comparing Düsseldorfer Altbier with Californian Steam Beer? Both can be malty, bitter and fermented with slightly unique yeasts. Great show, Martin 👌
Pale lager vs cream ale? Or blond. Or Kolsch.
Pilsner vs. Kölsch? Cream Ale vs. Pale Ale? English IPA vs. American pale ale?
Perhaps hefeweizen vs witbier?
I love that you served them in the proper glassware which could be a big hint
I thought he might be trying to throw them off. Either way, I think the glassware might have thrown off his test. He should have served them in a white and red wine glass :)
Styles to compare: yeah, a lager to an ale. Maybe a regular international pale lager to a British Golden ale, or a regular steam beer.
Other options to compare the Pale Lager might be a Kölsch or a Cream Ale.
I don't think pilsner vs märzen, IPA vs PA etc really is good tests... some of them are too overlapping and/or take too much knowledge to know the differences. I think a better test would be pilsner vs ale, or a pilsner recipe but one brewed with lager yeast vs one brewed with ale yeast, etc.
Interesting, I wonder if they would get the same results if you offered a different style of porter and stout for them to test. I think it really depends on the individual beer and not they style alone.
Do Black IPA vs hoppy stout, or dry hopped APA vs session IPA..... 🤪
Interesting episode. Hope to see more of these. Some great ideas I'm seeing in the comments (kveik vs lager yeast).
Hoppy stout? Interesting. First time i hear that
What about Milk Stout on your list
Weizen vs Witbier (or Wheat Ale)!
Irish Stout vs American Porter would be tough. I mostly drink Imperial Stouts and I think that would be much easier, although I'm sure there are some out there that would fool me.
I love stouts, but I usually don't care for porters.
Didn't even mention cucumber stout? It's the most refreshing summer stout, but it's hard to find anywhere outside of Massachusetts.
What about Milk Stout and Oyster Stout?
Pale Ale vs XPA or Black IPA vs American Brown Ale
First one will be hard.
Second one you can tell by the color and should be able to tell by the taste.
Pale Lager vs Pilsner next time
Next time: cream ale vs American light lager
Doppel bock vs Belgian dubbel, Vienna vs Amber Czech vs Marzen
You forgot to list the original which was Brown porter. Kinda weird you put American but missed off the first porter style made. Which I believe was a blend of new using brown malt and not roast and an old/sour porter.
Belgian strong dark ale vs quads
Ooof.. sounds scary. 🙃
But BJCP doesn't list quadrupel as a style right? Just in Belgium they call it a quad?
I always thought, they were the same. What is the difference?
I recon that Stout is more roasted coffee flavoured and dry, Porter sweeter and maybe molasses tasting? I think that’s how I’d decide which is what.
Also depends if it not a milk stout then you would also get the sweetness.
Festbier vs marzen very similar, but not the same
It's simple. The stout is the stout and the porter is the porter.
I wanna see you say that again, but blindfolded, Patrick. 😒🤣
The higher alcohol in the Stout contributes to the lesser foam.
pale ale vs English bitter
I could with a pint of each... After a couple of pints of each I might struggle. After three pints of each, I would not care!
Cream Ale v standart American lager
Should just raise the glass against the light... stouts, and especially Irish Stouts have roasted barley in them, that's as dark as you can get... so raising the glass against the light should reveal in the edges of the mentioned vessel the identity of the liquid... if you get scarlet flashes then it's a porter... if you get dark brown or almost black flashes... then it's a stout.
Hefeweizen and American Wheat Ale
Now explain why my wife thinks cream ale should be creamy? What did she say? "I think of cream ale, I think it's going to be..." I forget exactly what she said. I keep trying to tell her, but she doesn't listen to me.
Either way you can't go bad.
Dark beers i like are stouts. Ones i dont are porters. Simple as 😎
German pils x czech premium lager x American Hop lager
If you really want to blow tasters' minds, ask them to identify the English porter versus the American porter or American premium lager vs German lager.
More darker? 😂
What's up with the part time english accent on the gal?
거품의 색을 보면 그나마 쉽게 비교할 수 있을듯
O’s!
So none of you could tell the difference? Is that the conclusion of this waste of time video?