Why Luke Was Able to Master The FORBIDDEN Lightsaber Form When Other Jedi Couldn’t
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Luke could learn a lot of forms due to the fact he didn't have other Jedi around him to force him not to use it or learn it.
Yep because Jedi are stupid like that. I hope you get 1 million likes for your comment
But he also can't learn this form since there's no one left to teach him
@@xiswarmin there’s Jocasta nus archive of Jedi holocrons that Luke finds in canon.
@@ThunderNecros where does he find this tell me the exact name of. The comic/novel
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Jedi Children: *Conceal Don’t Feel..*
Luke: *Emotions happen. Relax.*
Instead of "nature vs. nuture" It is nature with nurture. Example, jedi were raised in a controlled environment. Luke was in a raw environment and in conjunction with the skywalker bloodline. You all know what that equals....
Losing a hand?
@@sinmaistro1338 Primarily speaking about the process of adopting force sensitive children into the jedi academy in comparison Luke growing up as a regular child working on a moisture farm. Jedi temple, controlled envrionment. Moisture farm variable environment. Yes including "Ben" as an indirect influencer.
@@tonyfranz1715 losing a hand.
@@lilbendrowned Better losing a hand then go to the dark side. Oh wait Luke did go the dark just to beat the emperor with his sister of course. Only in legends....
@@tonyfranz1715 losing a hand haha he lost his hand
Luke was able to master form 7 without turning to the Dark Side, most likely because he was taught how to control his emotions correctly.
another thing worth mentioning is that in the "jedi academy" game you are a trainee in luke's jedi order and you are being taught that there are no good or evil force powers. the force is the force and how you use it determines it's orientation, allowing you to use force lightning, and other stuff previously exclusive to dark side users.
And this folks is why the sequels are so tragic. Due to those movies, we only see Luke (post Endor) as a broken and defeated man. That’s why the end of Season 2 of the Mandalorian was so therapeutic, as it was the only (on screen) time that we got a glimpse of the powerful Jedi that was Luke Skywalker.
Let’s face it, Luke (as we know him in books/cartoons/etc) would’ve never screwed up regarding Ben Solo or would’ve failed his students or went into hiding while the galaxy burned around him. I really want the sequels to be retconned, just make them go away already ❌
Everyone fails sometimes and has shortcomings at times. It's not like he actually tried to kill Ben, he simply considered it for a moment and stopped himself. Things like that can happen, especially considering Luke already was a flawed character with his own pull to the dark side. The sequels will never be retconned and shouldn't be. A whole new generation of fans grew up with them. Just like how I'm sure you mad about the EU becoming Legends (which was not meant to actually be canon to begin with) and it influenced you and your love for Star Wars, the sequels have done that for other fans. It would be ridiculously cruel to do that and it doesn't make much business sense as despite their flaws, they were still successful at the box office.
As a zoomer who has talked with younger zoomers I can say no child views these movies as something they gre w up with those labels to to masterpieces like the ladder half of Harry Potter and Gravity Falls.
@@ignisinfernal1843 Luke did try to strike him with his saber so I'm pretty sure he was trying to kill him
@@ignisinfernal1843 you really have a limited understanding of the main plot that goes through every Star Wars creation from George himself.
The arc of “the Chosen One” is intrinsically important to “balance the forces of light and dark” in the galaxy.
Gone are the days of a painfully hemmed in Jedi Council that forced their disciples to live an emotionally starved life completely antiquated belief system and rigid black or white thinking processes.
Beyond that, the Chosen One also smashed the current Sith leadership by (well, we at least thought so for 4 decades) killing the master and allowing the glimmer of light that was in the apprentice to dissolve the dark.
In the current sequel premise, NOTHING of this main story plot matters, we are back at square one and the Chosen One was really effing useless or downright dismissible.
It’s truly tiresome to hear the current generation of new Star Wars fans clap to mediocrity, gaping plot holes, BS fan service lacking any depth or reason while never really grasping the overarching theme.
.. a small skinny guy waving a glowstick around..
Applause break!
I appreciate your discussion of the old Jedi order's moral confusion, which occurred on two levels. 1 - they held a dogmatic, binary view of the Force that precluded understanding the complexity of organic behavior and 2 - they allowed their allegiance to the Republic to evolve into blind complacency when it became corrupt.
It's why I love the idea of a Separatist Jedi, not evil in the slightest just someone who wants their planet to have freedom and not have to answer to the Republic. Dooku not fully succumbing but being a noble antagonist would have been a lot of fun
@@hellobastion1518 imagine dooku left when he did but created a new order like the grey Jedi. He could’ve took even piell, depa billaba and kar vastor (imagine him with 10 years of training), eeth koth, stass allie , pong krell, sora bulq, ventress, quinlan vos and bariss offie. Then sidious finds maul and they find savage and sidious hides behind maul and savage pulling the strings as they form the trinity with pre visla and the mandalorian deathwatch. He also still makes a Jedi killer grevious.
Jedi started out a good thing but then ended up through hubris and stupidity letting themselves become the villan!!! It amazes me how well the sith planned that out. But still they should have seen it coming. They probably didn't have such a hard time with it cuz they were fighting at Droid army rather than actual people for most part. Especially once there was a Republic army aka the clones they should have let them fight their own wars. Qui-Gon jinn said Jedi are peacekeepers not soldiers. They should have stuck to that. I don't see Luke out there fighting a war like that or his new Jedi order
@@BJETNT Respectfully there's 2 Corrections:
1) Mace Windu stated that they're keepers of the peace not soldiers (EP II Attack of the Clones)
2) Luke's Jedi order DID in fact fight a war with the Yuzan Vong.
@@disruptor109 Yeah but not a political war. The Yuuzong Vong we're killing everybody in the galaxy That's not what I mean. They weren't exactly you know picking sides in a political situation. Luke was trying to keep everybody from being annihilated in that situation. And they was a strongest ones in the galaxy to do it. At least your respectful my friend I appreciate that not everybody is. The war that the Jedi fought at the end was an orchestrated or by the sith and the bad guy was playing both sides that wasn't the case with the war you're talking about. It was like fighting the Nazis that were trying to take over the planet just to stay alive It wasn't a choice to go to war It was a necessity to breathe. I was thinking more about what Qui-Gon jinn said. I can't remember an exact quote honestly. He said basically the same thing is they were peacekeepers and keepers of the peace rather than soldiers. Anyway respectfully appreciated take care of yourself bro
Jedi: Form 7 is nearly impossible to master and is forbidden.
Luke: hold my beer.
Didn't Windu do this too?
Jedi: oh shit he did it without turning, crap
@@johnquach8821 Windu invented a new type of form 7 that he could master.
The original form 7 was called Juyo and eventually became nearly outlaws by the Jedi, while Sith used it often such as Darth Maul (so too did Galen Marek). Mace created an altered form of form 7 called Vaapad.
Luke learned and mastered Juyo.
Hold my Blue Milk?
@@troykinnison4575 green?
It’s my opinion that Windu survived studying form 7, because he invented his own variation of 7 (which he did in legend). It is also my opinion, that his ‘own’ variation of form 7 is what helped him defeat Sidious. Sidious was quite shocked when Windu defeated him. I’m sure he was quite aware that Windu was using 7 against him when he was doing the same. The advantage, in my opinion, was Windu’s variation was unknown to Sidious.
out of the windu*
The novelization of the book states it was the perfect storm for his form 7 because he never was able to actually use it against a true dark side user. George Lucas also stated Sidious lost to Windu and would have killed him in lightsaber combat if Anakin didn’t show up.
Agreed
Took the Windu out of him
yes, even in Canon, Mace Windu developed Vaapad, which was a variation from Form VII that could use the darkside energy around him from his opponents and turn it into his own fuel to win. It truly was a champion's form.
I completely agree with your philosophy on Luke and his learning Juyo for Ive been saying this for a long time that this is where the former Jedi order failed them having such a dogmatic strict approach to training their students and Padawan that when it came to the dark side or emotions they did not possess the necessary knowledge that was needed to keep their balance in fact there was no balance with the Jedi choosing to strictly adhere to just the light side of the force
Yeah I never understood all the hype about the "Chosen One" bringing balance to the Force. For the Jedi Council, they thought the chosen one would destroy the Sith once and for all. If that happened there would be no Dark, only Light....and that does not bring balance. Using Dark side abilities does not make one evil, it is their intentions and personal beliefs that make an act evil. Like my Yin and Yang symbol, the Light cannot exist without the Dark, just as the Dark can not exist without the Light. Also there is a little bit of each in the other. Luke was exactly right in his vision for a new Jedi order.........just a few thousand years later, they would end up with the exact dogmatic Council. Bureaucracy is the greatest evil. 😉
There is no light side of the force, it's the dark side, or balance in the force.
@@richardrussel4567 Hmm, no. Just a couple statements on this from simple internet search:
1. "The Jedi accepted the view of there being two sides to the Force: the dark side and the light side. A follower of the light side tried to live selflessly, in harmony with those around him, and in harmony with "the will of the Force" itself."
2. 'The light side of the Force, also known as Ashla,[1] was one of two methods of using the Force. The light side was aligned with calmness, peace, and passiveness, and was used only for knowledge and defense.[2] The Jedi were notable practitioners of the light, being selfless servants of the will of the Force,[3] and the mortal enemies of the Sith, who followed the dark side of the Force.[4]" Wookiepedia
A Jedi had to be in Balance to use the Light Side effectively.
A further investigation into Balance of the Force:
"We call upon the Three. Light. Dark. And Balance true. One is no greater than the others. Together, they unite, restore, center, and renew. We walk into the light, acknowledge the dark, and find balance within ourselves. The Force is strong."
―Incantation recited by Dooku, Lene Kostana, and Sifo-Dyas[src]
Those who have wholly devoted themselves to the Force were able to retain their consciousness after death, achieving immortality by becoming one with the Cosmic Force.
Balance in the Force-harmony between all life-was achieved and maintained through understanding and accepting the the dark side of the Force and while serving the light side of the Force; practitioners of this method, namely Jedi, devoted themselves to the will of the Force,[3][2] acting in accordance to the symbiotic relationship between the Living Force and the Cosmic Force-the transformation of the energy of all life to the greater energy field that bound everything-by submitting to the Cosmic Force and what it communicated to them through the midi-chlorians.[13]"
@@jsbcody oh my god you said it perfectly I couldn't agree more and that is why I'm teaching my Padawan the gray Jedi way and not the Jedi way he will learn about evil as well as good
@@richardrussel4567 eeh I see what you trying to say but that's not correct because one cannot exist without the other there must be light for dark and dark for light there must be both for either one to exist
Form 7 taps into anger and aggression, not directly the dark side which is an important distinction. The dark side uses these emotions, yes, but the use of such emotions are not necessarily the dark side. Jedi fear the use of emotions in general, and especially those, as it leads to easy corruption to the dark side by their view which is why they ban them. As written, the dark side isn't a balance of the light side, but a corruption of it and not natural. A force user can use the force in general with emotion without being corrupted by the dark side or going through the dogmatic view of the jedi. It is just hard to keep the balance without falling one direction or another. Luke, though, was able to do this (forgetting for the moment the era in Legends where Luke did fall to the dark side for a bit before coming back).
What HE SAID¡!¡
Literally are though according to yoda. They are all pre requisites to the dark side.
@@tomcross3000 ... Yea well Yoda gimped himself and the rest of the Jedi. He was wrong which is why he lost the duel vs Darth Sidius. Luke has transcended Yoda and Yoda's narrow minded ideas. Luke represents balance
True form 7 doesn't tap into anger, just ferocity and aggression.
However aggression can lead to anger, anger to hate, and well you know the rest..
At the time, Luke was attacking his father, Luke was at first at rage and ended up cutting Darth Vader's hand off. The positive side is Luke did not resort to killing and Luke did ended up to stick to a Jedi way. I mean he didn't continue the fight after Darth Vader lost his hand and then Luke toss away his light saber right in front of Sidious. For that, Sidious lost his power to put negative influence on Luke all because Luke ended up showing mercy. Many other past Jedis thought the way to beat Sidious was to give in to a dark side and thus, they ended up being a sith. Instead Luke begs father father save me save me. So since Darth Vader was already the Sith at the time, Sith ended up killing Sidious in order to save his son and that also in turn save the trouble of Luke getting his hands dirty. So how Luke gets to walk out of that fight is still keeping that Jedi dignity since Luke did not break any Jedi code. Luke did not attack when his father was down and purposely dropped his weapon to show Sidious I am unarmed. I won't resort to killing in cold blood. Luke is one of the Jedi that was willing to show mercy which is something many Jedis could not do. Luke must of somehow gotten Yoda's wisdom.
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Because was neither all light or all dark and was a truly well rounded force user, a true Jedi GrandMaster
i think the lack of indoctrination and his courage...
the jedi seem to fear the darkside really it is comparible to hollow ichigo and ichigo from bleach ...
this fear is what makes it harder for them to successfully use these darkside skills and teachings and also makes them more susceptible to the corruption through the darksides influence...
meanwhile luke seems to be warry of the darkside he is curious he carefully but confidently approaches it ...
he seems not to fear it rather he seems to understand that without it the force is incomplete...
Disney: waw...anyway were going to turn him into a depressed hopeless hermit now, byeeeee
Because there weren’t any members of the jedi order to forbid him.
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The reason that Luke was able to master form VII was because he wasn't told to hide his emotions, but rather mature in them and be able to control them, unlike the Jedi before him who thought that emotions were what lead others to the Darkside.
And the Jedi were wrong about it. Emotions don't lead to the darkside. There are positive and negative emotions within it and can experience and control as Luke did. Luke was mature thanks to the emotional development due of being around with his uncle, aunt, friends and home in Tatooine till he grew up without Jedi training or influence. Till SW ep4 changed everything and Luke decided to become a Jedi. I'll that's the right call instead forcing, rushing or training in the very young age. That's the right call. It is the will of the Force.
Love the video.
Emotional acceptance lies in the Force power of the individuals who wield it. Accept who you are and your emotional state for what it is, and the Force will benefit you. Deny yourself as an individual within the spectrum of the Force and it shall withdraw its guidance and power from you as a Jedi, or fight to overthrow your reign if you are a Sith.
Balance is the truth of the energy field known to the Galaxy as the Force.
You got that right!👍💯👌
sad how they powercrippled my boy Luke in Canon, Legends Luke is an absolute Mashine :D
Legends is the true cannon not the disney garbage there peddling out
Idk, you dont think that fight between clone palpatine and Luke was a bit ridiculous? Personally not a fan of such overpowered characters myself. Grounded peeps make it a bit more relatable, don't you think?
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This answers one of my biggest questions
Very interesting and insightful. Thank you.
They should make that canon instead of keeping it in legends
For me it is canon. And the sequels are non-canon for me. Utter garbage.
Basically you could say the same for 75% of Legends too. Minus a few things, Legends is vastly superior to Canon overall. Especially post RotJ.
Excellent analysis. Thank you.
Beautiful explanation.
You make some interesting material. Keep it up!
I’d never thought about the way they let him grow up before introducing him to the ways of the force. Super interesting video :)
Have you heard the tragedy of darth plaguies the wise?
I can't say I have
@@reaperking7748 its a story the jedi wouldn’t tell you
😁The reason Luke is able to do form 7 is because,😏📢 HE'S LUKE F****** SKYWALKER! 🤣sorry, couldn't help myself.
Form 7 sounds to me as a tool of a balanced individual and Luke definitely was probably far more balanced person mentally and emotionally than any who came before him and being the son of the anakin put him on a scale above most everybody else and having a stronger natural connection to the force and that probably played heavily in his ability to master dark side like abilities and still maintain his connection to the light but he was also trained by Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi who were the last remaining Jedi and they themselves had developed Advanced abilities in their seclusion so he was also trained by the most powerful Jedi of his time
This is why I have a problem with the last 3 movies he wouldn’t have tried to kill Ben he would talk to him
Ya see that always bothered me also it just don't fit !!! Yes 👍 I think he would have found any way to handle it BUT!! KILL HIM??? JYST DONT ADD UP 4 ME
@@troykinnison4575 If Luke wouldn’t kill the emperor then he definitely wouldn’t touch his nephew
Came for some light Form VII lore, got a brilliant summary of all the problems with the prequel era Jedi and their philosophy. This is basically what I've been thinking and saying for years about their ideology and the way they trained their students. Excellent video.
I think that form 7 would require them to tap into emotions that they have never used or had repressed and not knowing how to deal with these emotions would open up a many different ways for the dark side to seep in and take over
My favorite thing about Star Wars is how the fan base comes up with these backstories and explanations that are really cool but clearly wasn’t thought of during the making of the movies. The fan base comes up with the best universe expanding outside of the movies
Right? It's a prime example of how the worldbuilding of a franchise can be spun up well beyond the original visions in mind.
Samuel L. Jackson wanted a purple lightsaber to stand out on screen, and voila - a whole backstory about the meaning of purple lightsabers soon followed, that has shaped the lore of how the Force works ever since. Divided as they always be, creative fanbases are the best fanbases.
Excellent Commentary!!
When Luke said "I am a jedi like m y father before me" that is the moment he mastered his emotions
He was the only one who did see the lies through the Jedi and controlled his emotions
This is actually one of your more poetic and philosophical posts. Really good one.
I think this is my favorite video you’ve ever released
Wow. What a great video! Mind blown
Loving that intro
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" Dew...it "
The reason Luke could do it is simple I've decided, he's just badass nuff said , or u disagree , Luke can do it simple , super easy barely an inconvenience
This is a good essay. I'd never understood just why Luke was allowed to "get too old" as it were, by design of Obi-wan and Yoda, trying not to make the same mistakes
Luke has been a personal hero of mine (Mark has as well) since I was little. Personal struggles, becoming an adult, dealing with grief. 💚
Love the intro in the beginning 👌
So u did not like the INTRO at the ENDING??
SO WHAT about the INTRO in the MIDDLE???
my FAVORITE was the
PREINTRO!!!!
it's the INTRO that comes before the INTRO IN the beginning!!!!
😆😆 LOL 😆😆 LOL
This is good stuff.
Best and most accurate summation I've heard since Luke first set foot on the Jedi path.
good stuff
And Luke didn't have a powerful sith lord continuously whispering in his ear, did he.
The originals made Luke look strong and the sequels made him look weak and irrelevant. Nice work Star Wars
I would say the sequels show that no matter how strong you are, nobody is perfect, nobody never makes no mistakes. Although being successful and powerful with everything you do, one wrong decision or doing can decide about your fate and create a strong feeling of guilt. But Luke being himself, strong in the force, overcame this guilt and showed his insane power in the end of VIII. For me, this makes him even stronger and wiser than any of the prequel Jedi.
@ForceUser2187 I see what your saying but the difference between Ep6 Luke and Ep8 Luke is beyond credible. Ep6 would never have given up. And we don’t get to see that struggle. By Ep7 it’s done and dusted. It isn’t good storytelling and it’s robs fans of seeing Luke at the height of his powers
@@stevebell7288 got the point. The viewers are not prepared by the happenings leading to the Luke we see in Ep 8. Probably due to time jumps in the story and to give new characters more space. Maybe that’s a sweet spot for a live action series in the future?
@ForceUser2187 future series focusing on individual characters seems to be their way forward. Which makes easier to tell these small stories rather than the grand episodic space operas. Good idea👍
Disney completely fuct up the SW franchise...I just think the new 3 movies aren't apart of SW canon !
You omitted the most important aspect of Luke's journey in Legends. IN the graphic novel "Dark Empire" Luke studied the dark side under the resurrected Emperor for a brief time. It was during that time that Luke learned to understand the nature of the dark side without succumbing to it.
I wonder if Luke if had the opportunity to learn would have mastered the variant form Vaapad?
It's would be very easy for Luke, vaapad was so dangerous because it allow the dark side to flow through you. The Jedi of old were taught to suppress those emotions. Mase windu was perfect for this form because he recognized dark side emotions and the thrill of battle he had in himself, with his firm alignment to the light side, the form allow him to channel that energy. Mase is my favorite character even though he was one of the major faults of the Jedi order
I dont think so, he didn't like hurting ppl.
I feel like it doesn't suit his personality.
@@empire-classfirenationbatt2691 You articulated my point better than I did.
I think he did, I thought I remembered something about he found a book written by mace windu and had mastered vapad
Fully agree with this.
Luke had the grounding of his friend Han Solo…hokey religions, good blasters, and all…his pragmatic friend kept him balanced.
In other words, Luke wasnt a Jedi, he was a Je'daii
I love the new intro
Id also say in the old continuity there were others that could have learned the forbidden forms as well such as corran horn. It came from their mindset as much as from the emotional stability created from full maturity. I understand why the jedi did the whole youngling method but it created a group of zealots rather than true servants of the force.
It also didn’t look good for the Jedi they were deemed kidnappers and bad even by people in the republic
This is the best psych discussion I've been waiting for and screaming about. Thank you good sir. MTFBWY
Emotional maturity definitely has a huge role in star wars in general. It would make learning new forms and abilities significantly easier in the self reflection and motivational aspects. You'd have to mature in those aspects in order to tap into them and familiarity helps a lot and would translate into experience in this universe
The force as we know it strives for balance this is why we see the numbers of both light and dark wielders always always equal out or at times those of one side lose power to become more closely balanced to the other. Consider how during the clone wars there was a massive amount of Jedi and only 2 sith, not accounting the number of force wielders who were unaffiliated to either set, but towards the end of the clone wars we see all the Jedi wiped out and we are left with yoda and obi which is a mirror reflection of palpatine and anakin. Two sith two Jedi balance obtained, so from that perspective anakin did bring balance back to the force as it was written he would. It just so happened that the unbalanced or unchecked factor was the Jedi and we see this brought back to balance, we had snoke and Kylo on one side and Rey and Luke on the other snoke is killed and then luke dies leaving 1 and 1 again balance.
Can we get more videos of the lightsaber forms and how they were created?
Back in the mid 80s, all we had was what we saw on the big screen and had to conjecture the rest. My brother and I had to fill in the blanks using only the movies. We concluded that Obi-wan and Anakin fought side-by-side in a big Jedi-vs-Clones war. The clones were close to winning when Anakin decided that it would take learning the dark side to the force to prevail. Anakin secretly searches out Sith Lord Palpatine (we didn't know him as Darth Sidious back then) to teach him dark side fighting techniques. Anakin's newfound abilities help win the clone wars, but there's a price. Anakin's use of the dark side corrupts him and he joins Palpatine in a jedi purge. We theorized that Anakin(now Vader) and Palpatine located a vessel that was transporting all of the jedi except Obi-Wan. Palpatine manages to destroy the transport (but Yoda gets away) and Vader is sent off the dispatch Obiwan. Obi-Wan defeats Vader in a duel at a volcano. Vader falls into lava but Obi-Wan can't bear to watch his one-time best friend die, and pulls him out and saves his life. Obi-Wan does everything he can to help his friend recover both physically with robotic augmentations and pyschologically with Jedi healing. Obi-Wan fails to recover Anakin and is forced into a second duel against Vader. Vader again loses, this time Obi-Wan takes Vader's arm but again fails to bring himself to dispatching his one time friend. Obi-Wan and Yoda realize they are the last of the Jedi, but there's a new hope. Yoda learns that Anakin has twins on the way. He takes one to be raised by Alderaanian Royalty and the other to be raised by Anakin's brother and sister in law (Owen and Veru) who take baby Luke as FAR away as they possibly can from all that. Yoda has Obi-wan watch over Luke, and Owen is pretty much pissed off by that. Yoda's plan is to allow Luke to come of age and bring back the Jedi Order, with Leia being a secret back-up plan. Then the original trilogy happens. Luke does indeed use the dark side to defeat Vader. The difference was in the training. Obi-Wan and Yoda never bothered training Luke into complete Jedi. They didn't have the time for that. They trained him to defeat Vader and Palp, in which they OVERTRAINED him to resist the dark side, as they knew that Palp would use the same tactics he used on Anakin to turn him. They trained him to be a strict warrior and the jedi stuff would simply have to come later, if there was a later. So fast forward to the final duel. Luke taps the dark side to defeat Vader. Instead of beginning his path down the dark side, Luke sees Vader's severed mechanical hand and then Yoda's training kicks in. Beware of the darkside. Luke then chooses the light-side path. Then Palpatine begins to fry Luke and Vader then realizes that Palp is going to take Luke to the edge of death and rebuild him into a half-robot like himself. That's where Vader chooses another path and becomes Anakin to save his son from the same fate. Palps doesn't see it coming because he's focused on frying Luke. Palps dead, Anakin dying without his breathing apparatus. So Luke was able to resist the dark side path because Yoda trained him primarily for that. In Jedi, Luke says "So I AM a JEDI!" And Yoda laughs. He's nowhere close to being a jedi, but he's maxed out in Jedi combat tactics and Jedi dark-side resistance. He'll be able to teach himself the rest at a later date. So while everything I postulated in the 80s has been nixed, the fact remains that Yoda's trained him to be dark-side resistant.
Yoda may have learned a lot from his defeat by Sheev and his following exile, and he may have somewhat tailored his training of Luke accordingly, but there were certain old habits and tropes of Jedi Training that he was too entrenched to completely let go of.
Luke: But tell me why-
Yoda: NO! No! There is no 'why'! (exasperated sigh) No more will I teach you today.
i think his bloodline might have something to do with it too. im trying to find out how skilled luke was thanks for the upload
shouldn't there 6 masters of form 7 during the clone wars era yoda,windu,cin,sidious,maul,grievous.
I agree with you. A mature mind that can. Allow a person to learn. How to understand their emotions. Is the reason that Luke could safely learn form seven. Also that balance is the key to true mastery of the force.
So Anakin was dangerous to train cuz he was like 6. Luke over here lookin like a grown ass man when he got trained like damn.. Yoda had a point when he was like "Nah you old as f**k bruh get yo 22 goin on 40 lookin ass outta my hut"
Unless I'm not remembering that scene correctly..
You just paraphrased the scene lol
Nope,he sung him a song about seagulls.
Luke learned how to think about things from different points of view. He disagreed with the previous generation of Jedi philosophy and didn't have anyone that "outranked" him to tell him no. His has an excellent new jedi order. Marriage, connection and family. Not a nihilistic emotionless entity.
And at the same time, When there was Jedi Order back in Revenge of the Sith, there were certain rules to follow where a Jedi needs to show mercy. Many Jedis failed to show mercy around Palpatine. Luke may not know the rules of how the previous generation was like but at the end of the day, Luke did stick to the Jedi way. I mean right after Luke cut off Darth Vader's arm, Luke did not kill. And Luke tossed his light saber away. For that, Palpatine could not take advantage to corrupt Luke. Luke did not break a Jedi code and Luke showed mercy which was something many Jedi could not do. So when Luke resisted the temptation to kill, Palatine could not do anything about it so Palpatine went like fine, I will kill you right in front of your father. When Darth Vader killed Palatine to save his son Luke, it also defeated the purpose of Luke getting his hands dirty as well. That made Luke being a first Jedi to actually stick to a Jedi code thus, not turning to the dark side.
The first amendment of the new Jedi order...A Separation of Jedi and State.
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Mace Windu did NOT use Juyo, he used Vaapad.
Both Juyo and Vaapad are called Form VII, but they are very different styles.
Glad to see someone else who knows this tidbit
I'm confused...what happened to Form 7 being named Vapaad, the form used by Mace Windu? Did that, at some point, get re-named too??
Yes it got renamed... by Windu. Juyo was modified by Windu and he made a subschool known as Vapaad.
definitely , they should have kept all of the expanded universe
Or as a Buddhist monk once said in a book about anger he wrote, anger is the small child in us all that needs love, not hate. (Paraphrasing)
Or the original version of the 2 wolves in our hearts. Who's stronger? The one we feed... And we should feed both equally or risk a war in our hearts
What Luke learned seemed similar to Macs Windu created but the biggest difference is how the force was channeled.
Remembering when Luke levitating up the side of a mountain was still a new trick.
Does this mean that Luke was truly a "gray Jedi"? He was able to embrace the dark AND the light...and continually chose the light...
Luke saw what happened to his father and learned from it. He would never fall to the dark side.
disney: so let's make his nephew do it
The Jeti were much like the Teutonic Knights or night Templor in many ways or warrior Monks of Asia
I have said this for ages. The Jedi mindset of avoiding darkness, rather than learning to deal with it, made them emotionally stunted and fragile, ready to fall or break at the first taste of emotions.
can you talk about the three rings of defense nex?
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So I guess I’ve found my answer, I was wondering if there was a character that was very powerful that was neutral knowing both light and dark and having a style mixing the two
I don't think Luke "learned" Form 7. Who was there to teach him? Especially in ROTJ. He let the Force guide his actions, and the Force used whatever was most effective.
(That's why I really don't understand the readers who get all bent out of shape about Luke "choking" Jabba's guards. He needed them out of the way. He didn't kill them, didn't cut them down. He just made them pass out. He probably wasn't skilled enough yet to hit their "sleep centers" yet. That would come later. It might not have been pleasant, but it wasn't fatal.)
I would argue that Mace Windu had fallen to the dark side after the start off the Clone Wars, but that his fall was only complete once faced Palpatine in the Chancellor's office. His interactions with Anakin speak volumes of his hate/distrust toward him, and even admits in the Revenge of the Sith that he has never trusted Anakin, and that only after Mace deals with Palpatine will he have earned Mace's trust. Something Anakin should have already had if Mace wasn't prejudice against him. Anakin had more than proven his loyalty to the Republic and the Jedi by the start of the outer rim seiges.
His techniques require him to be dangerously close to the Dark Side. Mace is known to always keep himself in check. Palpatine was the biggest threat in the galaxy at that time, so of course Mace isn't going to be that "peaceful, emotionless" Jedi. Someone like Anakin who the Council saw as a ticking time bomb and clearly not following instructions, could you really blame Mace for distrusting Anakin? His training wasn't even approved by the Council from the beginning, yet Obi-Wan trained him anyway. Anakin had ONE job. Wait for Mace Windu to return after dealing with Palpatine. Mace's failing was that he actually gave Anakin benefit of the doubt in RotS.
@@kyber452 what was it Mace Windu said in Chancellor Palpatine's office? "He's too dangerous to be kept alive!".. funny how Palpatine speaks almost those exact same words to Anakin after he killed Count Dooku. "you did the right thing, he was far too dangerous to be kept alive.."
Let's not forget that Mace Windu has always disliked and distrusted Anakin, since day one. Hell, he said as much himself when he told Anakin to stay behind. " if what you say is true you will have earned my trust!" After all the time Anakin spent with the Jedi, fighting alongside them, training with and taking meals with them, Mace Windu didn't trust even trust him, not once. Now tell me would you give your trust and obedience to a man who doesn't trust you and never has? Wouldn't you be just as much of a "ticking timebomb" after All those years of distain and distrust?
It is my firm belief that if Mace Windu had swallowed his pride and had given Anakin his trust, even once, had taken him with to arrest Palpatine, and had taken Anakin's Council to take Palpatine alive, that Anakin would have never been turned, fewer jedi would have died trying to take Palpatine down, Order 66 might never have been put into effect and the Empire would never have existed.
As for my thoughts on Vapod (Mace Windu's Saber style) well, I believe Yoda says it best, "once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny."
But anyway my friend, thank you for another video
Luke was trained like an Old Republic Jedi... It's a simple thing really.
I feel that because Luke was able to have a "normale" childhood and formative teen years and that Yoda and Obie-wan grew and adopted over time, Luke was able to as Bruce Lee said "be like water, water is shapeless. It can be calm but also can crash. When poured into a teapot it becomes the teapot. Be like water my friend"
Can you imagine if post-Endor Luke time travelled to 19 BBY? Things woulda gone differently
A strict upbringing usually results in emotional immaturity in real life so it makes sense that it would do the same in the star wars universe as well. I struggled with this myself when I was younger after being raised by very strict parents in an extremely religious environment.
Great theory
It's a form of "emotional control" all cults use. And because the Jedi were kidnappying children, yes, it was a cult. That's why the Force needed "balance," The Old Jedi brought it on themselves.
Like is like Jin Sakai from ghost of Tsushima. The Jedi have all these wacky rules, and ultimately it caused it's downfall, just like the samurai of Tsushima. Jin came along and used "forbidden" techniques for good, even being outcast, even though he single handedly saved his home.
Can we all just agree that luke is the shit and the best Jedaj in CENTURIES? Because that's exactly what he is.
Any suggestions how one can learn the ways?
Also, please remove the clips from The Last Jedi...I don't want to be reminded.
If you weren't brought up in the old Jedi ways, you would see darker elements of the force as less of an enticement. You wouldn't grossly overestimate the possible corruption of a frankly impossible type of purity. The word contamination would be replaced by incorporation which is almost infinitely more empowering. This breeds a scientific approach to the study of the force that will simply seek to use the force most efficiently without concerning ones selves with right or wrong in a spiritual setting.
Seems like the Yoda being Grogu’s dad theory may be true. How is it that Luke surpassed Yoda, though this vid explains it
Yoda: form attachments we must not as the dark side it will lead to
Luke: form attachments we will and it will only lead us to the dark if we let it
Hope I got Luke right as this is meant to be a very short explanation about the vid
There is no answer necessary other than that he is Luke fucking SKYWALKER.
Even in Return of the Jedi Luke Skywalker seen the flaws of the old Jedi Order the Clone Wars era I have no doubt that he was disappointed in them
Hi well this explains a lot. I haven’t read many of the books or magazines. I always wondered why Luke and leis were left with no training.. only hidden. The sequels were ok but I hated what they did to Luke….it could have been so much better. I hope George Lucas gets his ideas for the films written up into book form… I would love to know what it could have been…
the reason that he could use form 7 without falling to the dark side... was because he did fall to the dark side so that he could completely understand the force and then use them in tandem.
1:05 i desperately need help ladies, gents, and anyone else who doesn't feel either of those categories accurately describe how they identify.
I need to know if something actually happened or if my brain has over time just convinced me it happened despite having no evidence to support the memory.
I was to young too go to a new hope or empire on their first runs, and even if i had been the nearest theater was 2 hours away. We were visiting grandma when jedi came out so it was the first one in the orig-trig i saw as God and Lucas intended.
The issue that necessitates my plea for help is that i have a vivid memory of the moments leading up to the 1:05 time code on this video. I recall Luke having dropped to the floor below Vader and hiding under those stairs then telling Vader he didn't want to fight. Everything is fine to then, but then i distinctly recall Luke put his saber on the floor and rolling it to Vader who picks it up and hangs it on his belt. After Vader telling Luke "ok fuck off I'll get your sister", Luke force grabs it then bam! 1:05
I also recall the next time i saw it on vhs that in one blink and gone moment you could see Luke's saber on vaders belt but then it was gone and Luke sparked it up to attack.
So i ask, am i crazy* or did that scene really exist in some cuts of this movie?
Thank you for your time
*about this specific topic lol
Ya
Does the assertion in this video conflict with what we see in 'Boba Fett', and Luke's treatment of Grogu, teaching him while still very young (relatively) and restricting him from maintaining his attachment to The Mandoliorian if he wants to continue his Jedi training?