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In other words the Jedi and Sidious wanted the Chosen one to be a scalpel, but they got a hammer
So true
And as a result, Obi-Wan diced him up like some red onions and relegated him to a droid/human lol
A sledgehammer, no less. Seriously though, it seems obvious to me that the Force was P.O.'d at both the Jedi and the Sith; so of course the Force spawned a DESTROYER.
@@TarsonTalon, I've been leaning that way for a while now. What if the force wanted punished both? This would be a pretty good way
@crazyjr the force is neither light not dark. It is. No wonder it disliked people who focused only on one side of it.
This is yet another weird parallel between Anakin and Dooku. Both of them were obsessed with Lightsaber mastery, even at the expense of their other lessons, something the Jedi disapproved of in both cases.
True
Well when you're going into conflict most of the time you would want to keep your combat skills as sharpened as possible. I would say Anakin and Dooku were being practical
Sidious has a type evidently.
@@Blackoutdmc likely because he believed they would never be able to surpass him if their focus wasn’t on the other uses of the force, and thus would never be able to kill him
@@labaccident2010 ironic, since it was brute force that killed him. Until he came back, that is.
I understand Darth Sidious being full of disdain regarding Anakin's lightsaber style seeing how he believed that he had surpassed the need to use his lightsaber.
But they continue to use lightsabers, if only to make a mockery of the Jedi.
@@drmarioprojectm1510 Sidious didn't.
@@WileeCoyote1516 yeah the whole i am the senate thing was a last time thing
@@grimgreycastle5141 And Sidious only kept his lightsaber just as a sign of power.
@@WileeCoyote1516 sidious did use his lightsaber actually but it was very rare. Pretty much only used it against actual threats of opponents like yoda or to taunt certain opponents who he knew couldn’t match him.
Anakin was too busy worrying about the deeper mysteries of Padmé to think about force stuff
How preposterous!
...."deeper mysteries of Padme" you say? 😏
I can’t blame him lol
Very Deep mysterious
@@skrublordnord69
Well!
Leia can.
She will blame her father for that and hopes her Psychometry doesn’t show those mysteries.
Admittedly, almost any pubescent-aged boy would be far more engaged in the "deeper mysteries" of an attractive woman than studies of a mysterious, aetheric Force.
If Anakin had Qui-Gon for a master, instead of Obi-Wan, I think he would have been more inclined to the mysteries.
I personally think he was born in the wrong time, to grow any other way but as a blunt Force (pun intended) object. If there hadn't been a war going on, then there'd have to be an outlet for his growing power. I mean The Force apparently deemed it the perfect time to create him, but honestly, in a time of war there is little time for introspection, meditation and learning, other than abilities that enable survival
@@crazylarryjr Honestly I never thought about that but you're definitely right, that would have played a part and his mindset. Because of Sidious and his war to destroy the jedi, plus his younger years as a slave you could truely say he probably survival and aggression as the only way to suceed, which shows why he showed up his classmates and showed off when he could.
I do also agree witb you tho. Qui Gon was one of the only clone wars Jedi to truely be a Jedi. A peacemaker, a warrior for the force itself. I think if Anakin had been taught by him he would have been more inclined also and also possibly calmer and Wiser. Obi Wans biggest thing was he did his best, his best to try and fulfill his promise to his master. But while I agree with Grandmaster Luke in the fact that I think attacments are fine. He also needed a Master more than he needed a Brother. I also think the fact that alot of (hell mkst of) the jedi didnt want to admit or give him the respect of the chosen one. They always treated him like he was just another robe and lightsaber as I like to say it. I think if he had had just alittle acknowledgement. He may not have become so cocky. Ignorance breeds Ignorance.
Anakin to master qui-gon "Master I would like to learn how to cook better meals for padme using the force" Qui gon : "Ummm young padawan I think it might be best to read this instruction manual on this discount item I got from a jawa vendor that glows see it explains how to make this food this way kiddo" xD
@@crazylarryjr it's ironic then that by the time he was able to do introspective stuff he's already done the bad shit that haunts his dreams and doesn't give him any sleep and the fact that he's burned af doesn't even help and palpatine already has full control over the guy
Revan, Meetra Surik, Luke Skywalker... they pretty much all three would have been "better" chosen one than Anakin in a way. Revan for his knowledge of the Force and learned humility, Meetra for her leadership and empathy, Luke for his compassion and courage when facing the darkness within. But Anakin is imperfect, flawed and broken in so many ways, he's like all of us. Both a show of all low we can fall yet how high we can rise. Not for power, not for glory or recognition; but for love, forgiveness and redemption.
And is this is one of many reasons why Anakin Skywalker is favorite character in Star Wars. With Luke and Finn in the second spot.
It makes sense that the chosen one would be strongly infulenced by both light and darkness. All while being influenced by the Sith and Jedi.
Also his suit vastly restricted him from what I am told. Imagine if he upgraded his suit like he does his ships and suits but with Sith magic or alchemy mixed into the mix.
Everyone is lucky Anakin became a depressed man, instead of releasing all his anger on all Jedi and Sith.
They all knew that they could never reach his heights , they were consumed by unlimited jealousy .
They were pissed off that in just a few years , he surpassed what took them their entire lives .
Except Mace 🤷🏿♂
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@@kadarmuhammad5059ro Anakin was 22 and wasn’t even in his prime yet just shows how much a monster he was at that age. If his limbs didn’t get burned off he’d be the most powerful character in Star Wars
@@T1Top Dude was definitely force to reckoned with 😬
@@kadarmuhammad5059 mace was literally the most jealous o anakin because they thought mace might have been the chosen one prior to discovering anakin
They hate what they can’t imitate
They hate it because it's almost all one sided
Almost no use of the force with his form
@@darrylscott8826 it uses the forces but mostly to increase the force of the strikes
Word lol
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Seems to me that the potential of the chosen one came down to the failures of both the Jedi Council and Sidious. By how they treated him and taught him, it pushed him to arrogance. The council was afraid of his power and limited him even though he was surpassing. They could have designed a new form of training for him yet they held too much to tradition. Sidious wanted to turn him to the dark side so much that he groomed him to give into his feelings too much and be consumed by them, therefore conditioning him to not think about the mysteries. Then they both pushed him into a devastating war and made him a general. It was the lack of compromise by both jedi and sith that compromised the potential of Anakin. That's one aspect of how he brought balance in my opinion.
Sidious: *is disappointed that anakain is now limited due to his loss on mustafar*
Also sidious: *purposely gives vader a faulty suit that constantly hurts him and makes him uncomfortable*
To increase his rage, the constant pain the suit caused, plus the claustrophobia the helmet gave him helped in keeping vader pissed off all the time. Only in the bacta tanks and his meditation chamber was he ever really comfortable to a degree.
@@applepie1911e I know I've seen al the things I know
Don't tell me again, anyone else pls
Anakin/Vader : Master this suit is very...errrr coarse...and the air gets everywhere pls fix my suit master.
Cause he failed him... after that Vader was just a tool he used for his own benefit, no longer was he set to one day take over the galaxy. Sidious knew he was no longer a threat to his rule (which he wanted someone powerful enough to rival him one day), that's why we rarely hear of him training Vader personally, and we've never heard him once speak about his master, or the things he learned from him... After his defeat and injuries, he was no longer worthy of having the information and abilities passed down to him.. As soon as someone capable of surpassing Vader revealed themself, he'd have Vader killed.. infact, he tried more than a couple times but it failed.
People say the suit is designed that way so that pain will fuel his anger and make him more powerful, please, there's a much better way of making him more powerful with more potential while maintaining the anger, he was never short on that and it only grew after Mustafar regardless of the severity of his injuries... A suit made new technology the Empire had access to instead of the outdated tech, the use of better and more sophisticated medical Droids, and then the use of Bacta as soon as possible, even if it was sprayed on him during the ride to the operating room and then submerge him whenever he was able..those would of done two things, prevent him from losing as much potential as he did by a good margin, including potentially saving his lungs. The advanced medical equipment, devices and droids may had the ability to replace his ear drums with artificial as well as regaining some sight through surgeries as well as bacta, which would also help his skin.. but they waited long past the window of bacta being truly useful, Vader doesn't get much gain if anything, he just uses it to escape and meditate.
Then the suit would allow him to move less inhibited and without the weaknesses of his normal suit, he probably wouldnt have to learn how to use a saber again because he could likely use his same technique and style as he did prior, maybe modified a bit but not like how he fought post injury in canon.. If he was truly afraid of Vaders potential, he would of never taken him as an apprentice to begin with, he would of stuck with Maul or Dooku, powerful enough to do what he needs, but no long term threat to his rule... What was his plan going to be for controling the power and ability of a non injured healthy vader? Nothing he can do outside of killing him.. So why decide that after being burned and losing all that potential? Cause it's not about being surpassed or threatened when he's a broken shell of his former self after losing the majority of his medachlorians and the potential they once provided Anakin... in reality, it was for an everyday harsh painful reminder of his failures and the embarrassment he brought onto both himself and Sidious by losing to Obi-Wan, not about power gained through the pain it provides... it was even worse losing to Obi-Wan in his eyes because Sidious never looked at as any sort of threat and he knew Anakin beat him the majority of time in their sparring..Sidious atleast respected Yoda's and Mace's power with the force, but not Obi-Wan.
@@gabbo69420 wtf
Considering Anakin's natural skill with the force he needed a master that was experienced to teach him and encourage him. Someone who understood the importance of the teaching by experiencing it. Plo-Koon would have been a better choice than the guy who was just appointed to Knight an hour previous.
Almost anyone would have. It's just that the Jedi are drooling morons. They're great at anything to do with using laser swords and space magic, but they suck at absolutely everything else, _especially_ anything to do with thinking or using sound judgment.
Their first brilliant idea was just to toss Anakin out on his super-Force-powered ass altogether (yeah, I can't imagine how _that_ could've gone wrong 🙄), but after getting talked out of that, they settled on their _second_-dumbest idea, which was handing Anakin, who they themselves already noted was a difficult case, to one of the least-qualified Jedi they could find.
It really cannot be overstated how stupid the Jedi are.
@@n0wheregrrl Least qualified might be a little mean to Obi-Wan, there's definitely worse candidates than him, but he's definitely not even in the middle of the list, yeah.
@@aliesterus1.023 Hence why I said "one of." I'm sure if they actually went looking for it, yes, they could find an even worse choice.
@@n0wheregrrl Wouldn't be very hard to, iirc there were even some who were on the council who would probably not be fit to teach, let alone fit to teach Anakin specifically.
@@aliesterus1.023 I mean, less qualified than Obi, though, who had less experience than any of them?
Honestly, I have my doubts about that.
It’s kinda funny then that in legends Luke ended up showing us what Anakin could do if he was more of a user of the force rather than the lightsaber
Hey I’m a newb. Would you mind elaborating on this? If be grateful for some direction or more info here.
@@TrentonErker sure dude, in legends Luke ended up becoming far more powerful than at the end of return of the Jedi and it was later confirmed that Luke had inherited Anakin’s power and became what he could have been had he not fallen to the dark side there’s a great video on this channel about Luke’s most powerful feats with the force if you’re interested
@@DarkRider117 link?
@@DarkRider117 he's not at anakins don't get me wrong legends luke is one of the most powerful force users ever but his power is nowhere close to what anakkin couldve achievied
@@Max-jp6jb it’s confirmed he reached anakin’s full potential
Given that Anakin had such an affinity for precognition it would interesting to see the true potential of the chosen one is this area. Not only would he likely have been able to apply this to combat (perhaps in a fashion similar to battle meditation) but could potentially unlock past, present, future mysteries of the force. Would love to see a video diving further into this topic. Perhaps why Anakin was so gifted in this area and why he so tragically lost the ability when becoming Vader.
He probably lost it as part of losing too much of his connection to the force after losing to obi wan. The potential was there he just needed to focus on improving it but once he lost his limbs that potential was gone and thus the ability with it
Ironically Vader's drive for power limited him. Especially when we see Luke's legend ability to become one with the force. And decimate armies with just a force push...
I just thought of something maybe the reason Anakin focused on the lightsaber is because he thought that the force was useless to save the people he loved and that only he could save them with his strength. It's also why he fights the maul program. He imagines he could've saved qui gon if he was there
From my perspective it looks like Anakin was just focusing on the skills that he needed most because they were in a time of war. Sure his style was straightforward but it was the most efficient.
Maybe because they always threw him into battle because he was a tool... they didn't care about his training or safety.
I actually modeled my real-life sword fighting techniques off of Anakin and Luke's implementation of Djem So. I permanently injured my right leg in college from excessive over-training in weightlifting and from a few nasty falls on black ice, but the basics of Djem So have helped immensely with allowing me to continue to practice swordsmanship, as it is not a style that requires much mobility to practice.
wait, ur story sounds cool, I want to know more and where it goes.
@@rickjames5998, thanks!
@@rickjames5998, I agree i've heard of people mimicking a style for preference, but this is the first time i've ever heard of a lightsaber form being used due to a need or handicap (mobility). this may be a legit first
@@crazylarryjr, I was a power and endurance lifter in college. Basically I wore out my leg from lifting too much for too long without rest. I rely heavily on swordsmanship to help me with my PTSD, as swords are a weapon I've never had to use in self-defense. It's clean, precise, and all about control.
Is similar to how I studied Krillin to improve my ki blasts.. after I went bald I felt that I needed to adjust my techniques.
I always loved it, he even combined it with form IV to deal with the flaws of form V, creating a hybrid form.
He started with Djem So, which is a strength-based style with little flexibility. After facing Dooku, he added Ataro and Makashi. As Vader, he couldn't use Ataro's acrobatics due to being 80% cyborg.
The moment you realize Anakin and Po (kung fu panda) have way more in common… 😂
“You mastered inner peace already, and before me… sigh”
At some point the jedi didn’t give Anakin access to the sacred texts in absolute fear they’d have nothing left to show him
Maybe if Anakin had more of Po's personality. The jedi were aware of his brash personality, they saw how he reacted to minor things like not being given the title of Master, Po wouldn't have cared either way.
@@HolzHause I get what you’re saying, just that Anakin and Po got waaay to hyped up for coming to the show late, and like the 5 masters, the Jedi Council were just kinda jelly and in disbelief of the hype. PO was finally accepted by the 5 though. Jedi just kept hating on him, despite him winning at everything. It wasn’t right putting him on Campaigns for months on end, he report back, and get put on another… which is all physical jedi battling.
Yes, as a Jedi, he wasn’t supposed to winning at everything, but I refuse to believe that if Yoda Trusted and Trained Anakin in the mystical ways of the force, not only would he had uncovered and stopped Sidious, he could stop being the chosen one and finally be free to be with Padme with zero restrictions. Nothing worse than being told you the best, then getting the Tai lung treatment… yeah tai lung was never in the running, but damn all that Head Space filled up and talent never realized 🤔
Besides Kung Fu Snow Leopard doesn’t roll off the tongue
@@hachi666roku if anakin chose to studying in force as much as light saber skills then he would be unstoppable force for sure then he would be his wife after that
For a look at what Anakin could have achieved had he devoted himself to the higher mysteries, look at the feats of his son. Grandmaster Luke is the Light Side's equivalent of Darth Sidious.
Anakin/vader was indeed powerful in the force and very combat driven. But I always thought sidious, withheld sith knowledge from vader so that he wouldn't supercede him. Interesting vid.
As did Darth Plagieus and his master before him, thus showing the fault of the rule of two and how it diminshed the Sith, while the rule of two was needed for a short period of time to ''unite'' the sith rather than having a dozen different Sith factions all going to war against each other, it should have ended after only a few generations. Or even better Bane should have gone into hiding with his apprentice and try and create a new shadow empire.
@lordifandk
It had happened in the past snd failed. That's why Bane meditated profoundly about the nature of being Sith.
Unfortunately, because being Sith is based on passion and you cannot have thousands of Sith Lords.
This is why Bane through Revan's holycron selected the Rule of Two. One to Embody & Ine to Crave.
Sidious deliberately destroyed this Rule and literally shot, or rather shocked himself into nothing.
Sidious was no longer human, OR even a living Being.
He was a Shadow.
In contrast, Yoda became the Avatar of Light.
Vader was obsessed with brutal power BUT couldn't see the Forest from the Trees.
@@Vakaria-plays I always thought plagueis shared all his knowledge with palpatine. Palpatine only seemed to psychologically teach vader the ways of the darkside/sith but didn't seem to bother teaching him any rituals or magic etc.
@@mgtowmonkapprenticegang8426 Its likely that Palpatine thought he had been taught everything, but Palpatine did not know everything, far from it, when you look at what the sith of old was capable of and what palpatine was capable of, its clear that the masters after Banes death started to hold back knowledge. But you right that Palpatine did not teach Vader about Sith alchemy or Sith ritual, he needed an enforcer to carry out his plans for order 66, basically he needed his own Tulak Hord to carry out his steel fist during his coup of the galaxy.
@@FrostedSeagull I know that it happened in the past, but it wasn't that it wasn't working it was Vitiate who set up the Sith empire to eventually fail as it was just a pawn in his game (much like Sidious did) up until that point the Sith Empire was working most of the time and was close to destroying the republic more than once, and in the end its all a matter of opinion but i think a shadow empire would have been better for Bane to teach the next Sith order but this is of course pure speculation, as in the end neither the rule of two, nor the sith empire managed to defeat the republic. (which in my opinion was also due to plot armor)
I think Dooku looked that way after he cut Anakin arm off bc he knew Palpatine was going to have an issue with that. He didn’t want to dismember him but Anakin was good enough to not give him another option.
A What If series for stories just like this would be amazing. Among other options.
A lot of people love to meme on the movements at 4:11. But real life wishes for more flashy saber combat aside, it actually made sense.
Both Soresu and Shien/Djem So were based on the momentum/deflecting incoming attacks principle. Soresu simply deflected it away while Djem So redirected it back to the opponent for a more powerful stroke. So at that point they were both anticipating each other's moves and building their own momentum to counter the other.
It puts their clashes in OWK into even greater perspective, since it was Obi-Wan's full embrace of the Force and tapping into protective emotions to unleash great potential that eventually countered Vader's raw physical power.
Anakin's focus on being a warrior probably prompted Yoda's statement to Luke "Wars not make one great" years later. A warning, perhaps? Yoda did sense that Skywalker anger in Luke, he'd felt it through the Force immediately after Anakin turned to the Dark Side.
I would like to know what Anakin would have been like if he took the Jedi Sentinel approach and mixed the mysteries with the lightsaber.
Anakin did fulfill the prophesy. He brought balance to the force by killing (or outlasting) everyone except his kids, and his childhood friend Asoka.
Well there's also ezra who might be alive how ever ezra uses both the dark side and light side equally so he might not count
I think Obi-Wan or Yoda should have shown Anakin some of the Force's mysteries when he first walked into the Temple.
I liked this video better than a lot of your others. Felt like it had a lot more information. Thank you!
I have wondered how powerful Plagueis and Sidious could have been if they fulfilled their full potential. And particularly if the rule of 2 was actually followed correctly.
@perdeus you think it was not possible for him to be any more powerful? Imagine Plagueis standing on a ship in orbit and commanding all life on the world below to end instantly. That is the kind of power I am talking about. Power that sidious would have learned too.
Bro the way you open your videos these days is stupendous ❤️❤️
Your videos are always on point and informative keep up the great work 👍
So basically, Anakin channeled the Force not in the way of Alchemy and Sorcery, but in the form of Combat. And when it comes to the Force, its true power manifests greater through the Meta-Physical aspect more than purely Physical.
Force Jealousy
First time coming across your channel. Great video. Got me thinking.
Next titles of the next videos: "WHY YODA FEARED STRAWBERRY ICE CREAM"
"THE ONLY PIZZA IN THE GALAXY THAT SITH ARE ALLERGIC TO"
"TOP 5 SODA BRANDS THAT GENERAL GRIEVOUS HATED"
Lol. Would love to see that.😂
Interesting videos, good job! 👍
I don't like how underpowered weak and slow force users are in the filoniverse, it's like the force is just a plot device for him
It could be worse: Overpowered force use in the Sequel trilogy or in The Force Unleashed...
@@johnquach8821 I love the force unleashed. I always saw starkiller's power as what any above average force user would be if they used 100% of their power 100% of the time.
@Logan A No lol. Sam witwer has gone on record multiple times to say that Starkiller is portrayed as much stronger than he is to make the game more fun. He's canonically a bit stronger than Vader but firmly below Palpatine.
@@WileeCoyote1516 let me have my fun lol.
@@WileeCoyote1516 he isn’t canon and he’s padawan obi level
I know this is going to sound silly. I would like to see a video of What if Anakin studied the force like you said and dedicated to unlocking the mysteries of the force.
This is what makes Jacen Solo/ Darth Caedus so fascinating. He's what Anakin could and should have become.
And this right here is why I was so damn disappointed with the sequel trilogy. We could've gotten badass Jacen, but instead we got emo Jacen
My favorite thing said about Jedi Survivor is there will be different lightsaber battle styles. Hopefully this means some, if not all, of the different lightsaber styles.
Stupendous I got to say I really appreciate how u keep it star wars and don't try to become mainstream like star wars theory has become u gain my sub sir!!
The interesting thing is that the movies never showed Anakin have to face himself as a Jedi vs Sith version. This trial seems to be the only trial that allowed him to embrace his dark side while Luke and Rae rejected it.
You would think that Anakin would wanna learn new force abilitys to maybe find a way to save Padme or heal his injuries.
What a great video. Thank you for this! 🙏
I really wish we had gotten more Obi-wan Ani flashbacks in Kenobi
Remember what they said in episode 1 whis mother said there was no father. It was the power of the force that made him. Thats why he could have been molded either to one side of the force or the other. But this is why he was a yin yang. Light and dark.
6:23 “While you studied the mysteries of the force, I studied the blade.”
From Revenge of the Sith, I had a feeling that Anakin wanted more from the Force in a physical sense. Perhaps things might have been different if Quigon Jinn had not been killed by Darth Maul, ideally, I think Anakin could have fulfilled the Chosen One prophecy if he had Quigon as his master.
Amazing video of Anakin/darth Vader light saber style and the way in the force too,fantastic job. What is the difference Jedi types or sith type in Star Wars.
Great video as it's one off, if not my favourite subject.
I'm a huge fan of Mathew Stover's novel , The Revenge of the Sith.
As Palpatine's ship flew to Mustafar as 'Lord Vader was in mortal danger'. Sidious had a decision to make.
Does he save the smoking torso, OR should he have taunted Vader and then just kicked him into the lava at Mustafar.
The "Chosen One" lasted less than 30 hours as a fully fledged, fully limbed Being.
No matter how good Vader's suit, no matter how much anger and world destroying fury he could muster, the loss of his limbs severely limited Darth Vader. Palpatine knew this.
Sith Lightning was the key difference between mocking the Jedi light sabre and the power of the Sith.
Palpatine should have taught his trimmed down
His way out . . .
To be taught the Darkside mysticism.
Sidious wouldn't teach Vader, and in all honesty, Vader was stuck in his Revenge fantasy, which was brilliantly highlighted in the Obi-Wan Kenobi series.
NOTE - I'm NOT saying the whole Obi-Wan Series was brilliant.
Anakin, now Darth Vader, was obsessed, to the point of nothing else matters BUT killing and (hopefully) torturing Obi-Wan.
Darth Sidious- at tge same time, deliberately broke the Rule of 2.
Sidious accused Yoda of arrogance blinding him. Sidious should have meditated on his own words.
WHY
Sidious thought with the Jedi wiped out, the Death Star and using enforcers ( like Sister No. 69) AND including his top guard dog, Darth Vader, ( lets face it, thats all Vader wss . . . a viscious guard dog and errand boy for Sidious) he was safe, and his Empire would last for
for thousands of years.
Breaking of the Rule of Two
assisted Vader to topple Sidious and his Empire in a mere 20 - 23 years.
Darth Vader, the time his son Luke Skywalker had become a Jedi had had enough of his 'beloved' Master . . . Palpatine.
Luke brought Anakin back and Palpatine, this time, became crystal meth as Vader threw him down an energy shift.
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Darth Revan
Had joined both the Light and Dark. So it had been done before.
Form 5 is my favorite fighting because it’s how i fight in games. Aggressive play style until i see that my opponent is not letting up on his guard. So i take a step back to calm down and bait leading them to open themselves up and counter/parry to make my barage of attacks. I do this in literally every sword/lightsaber fighting game. Wait for your opening to strike is a fun playstyle imo
I meant to comment on your starkiller ranking video maan but I have a question that's been on my mind for years. That's Revan vs Bane. All forms or at least there strongest forms. Bane was strongest when he has the orbalisk armor on and was 36. Revan was strongest when his light half merged with his darker half after he fought Satale and most of the alliance. If you can delve into this topic in a video it'd be very much appreciated. Been on my mind for 4 years now and I'm sure others wanna know the outcome of this battle when they were both at there strongest.
If Sidious completely understood the extents that Vader/Anikan could achieve in his connection to the force, he probably would have preferred Vader focused solely on the physical. what if in connecting to the force, Anikan would have come to his senses, realized that Sidious had seduced him to the dark side to make him his pawn and then revolted on Sidious much sooner in order to balance the force.
"Adventure, feh! Excitement, feh! A Jedi craves not these things." Jedi or Sith. Prob'ly one of the few things Yoda *and* Sheev agreed on!
So basically everything Jacen Solo would seem to do in Legends
If I am recalling the right character
What individual force skill did each jedi council member have? Mace Windu had Shatterpoint, but what of the others?
This is why Legends Luke Skywalker was so OP. Though he was a warrior he dedicated a great deal of his Jedi career to understanding the mysteries of the Force. Ive wondered if Luke was more knowledgeable about the Dark Side during Dark Empire than Vader had ever been. Even if only because the Clone Emperor was younger and could take a more hands-on approach to training.
They knew his lightsaber style was the strongest most powerful of all jedi
It was the strongest of all seven though not the most powerful.
Why not
@Gerardo Covarrubias because Obiwan beat him so it's obviously not the most powerful lol
Mace had the potential to beat any sith in a one on one combined with his force ability Mace had the best form
@@seajay6903 anakin almost right
Great video. I never thought about this aspect of Anakin.
Vader's potential was only cut in legends. I hate the idea that it was cut. If a sith can be so angry they live forever (knights of the old republic) then why would someone like Vader be weaker?
I mean he was burnt alive with all his limbs missing 😂
It’s because he hated himself more than his enemies. Although he was still strong he didn’t care for much because of his own self hatred towards himself, that’s what made him weak.
If he did delve into the force and it's mysteries, he would be LUKE...
Would u be able to do a brake down on each other the old Republic sith acolytes and what differentiated the acolytes from the Lords of the sith or would u be able to do a brake down on what the difference in strength, knowledge and power where better the jedi of the old Republic and the jedi of qui gon/obi wans era
The mind of a true warrior is not a mountain to be moved. Peace must come first
Now that this has been discussed could you possibly explain how the father of Mortis and Anakin were similar in power and why did Anakin have to stay, was that the prophecy for him to stay and “bring balance to the force” like keeping the sister and brother in control, or was is the fathers wishes to finally retire, and why don’t the Jedi high counsel know about Mortis at all where they that arrogant in their prime they forgot about any other force users other than them
I wonder if that penchant for lightsaber fighting stem from the way Qui Gon died
One the things with Anakin vs Vader's combat styles is the contrast between pre-Mustafar and post-Mustafar. Anakin had a rather fluid and fast paced approach to combat, especially when he would combine it with other jedi but as Vader he slowed down considerably for stronger more powerful strikes, utilizing the raw strength he got from his suit to overpower his opponents.
I love how he calls us Acolytes
7:36 I don't think yu did, but it's very interesting to hear this
They misunderstood the Prophecy. He ultimately did bring Balance to the Force alongside Luke Skywalker.
They assumed he needed the Jedi to bring balance. That the Jedi were a force for balance instead of one of the sources of that imbalance. Yeah, so were the Sith but there were far fewer Sith than Jedi. And the Jedi were so entrenched in dogma they would not change without drastic action. Thus did the Jedi fall. Not as protectors of the galaxy but just another failed conqueror.
Let's just say if qui-gon jinn had trained Anakin instead, the pull of the sith wouldn't have been so strong
2:41 I always thought Dooku looked disappointed, as if he expected more out of Anakin.
I didn’t not know that 😢
Sidious’s aspiration for Anakin (that he become wizard-like rather than warrior-like) must be the reason for his specific way of grooming Anakin: telling him that only becoming a master force-wielder (rather than skill with a blade) would save his true love. The only element of truth in the lie might be that later films confirm that Sidious really did desire immortality… for himself, anyway.
I don't feel deceived. Thank you for the video. Anakin and his physical approach to things and lightsaber battles are what draws me into the Star Wars universe. Hence why Bane is also one of my favorites and their story. I love the lightsaber forms videos and the fabrication of the weapon and all. Thanks
I wonder if Anakin's need to focus on combat was because of his upbringing as a slave? It makes sense that his compassion and need to help others, and the way he saw slaves being treated on Tatooine gave him a black/white sense of what is right and what is wrong. And being a mechanic gave him the feeling of being able to fix anything as long as he had the right tools. So when you combine his early fascination with Qui-Gons' lightsaber, and when he later receives his own lightsaber, it makes him feel he can fix any problem he encountered because he had the tool he needed. Hence his desire to harness his combat ability rather than explore the mysteries of the Force.
I think it just comes down to timing and circumstance. Anakin started training later and was exposed to a lot of action even as a kid. It's not surprising his interests would veer towards combat. All the more so since he probably always wished to go and free his mother from slavery someday. Then at a relatively young age...a war breaks out. Of course he's going to focus on combat skills ahead of the mystery of the force. The immediate issue and threat will take priority.
And then he suffered his colossal defeat. His loss and rage was through the roof. He wouldn't be in the mood at that point for delving into the force. The things he wants most he can't get and all that's left is venting his anger on any Jedi still alive to receive it.
If he'd been discovered earlier, if the Clone War hadn't happened, if Vader hadn't been defeated by Obi Wan, etc. If a few events had unfolded differently then maybe Anakin would have been up for exploring the force and not focusing almost exclusively on lightsaber combat.
Where is that obiwan vs anakin scene from? Not the ones from revenge of the sith
Anakin was basically space napoleon- An insatiable lust for war and not wanting to put time on anything else being his downfall.
If the council really wanted him to pursue that life style, when they were discussing his master status why not tell him straight up, "each one of us on the council bring something no one else has to the table. Why it is true they say you are the chosen one that is not something that is solidified. Your strength in battle is not to be denied however, being a Jedi means more than just being good with a blade and able to use the force. We grant you the master title but in the condition after this war you focus solely on knowledge." Obviously someone besides windu would say this as windu didn't really care for Anakin and his pride prolly wouldn't let him say that. Maybe Yoda or obi.
He would also likely agree to this as well due to the fact he was worried for padme
Good idea. They should just make a condition that Anikan review the mysteries of the Force of granted Masterhood.
What's all the names of the Jedi council's leading all the way up to the High Council
im dumb, because I thought this video meant the literal design of his lightsaber lolll I fr thought the Jedi Council all looked at it and said nah
During anakins childhood, Obi-Wan and qui-gon only just introduced him to the Jedi and the force, so he did everything to learn about it like both masters windew and Yoda, they were both neutral Jedi who stayed loyal to the light side of the force, were as anakins way was to go beyond that, if his life was different then his first apprentice was a good thing for his life and they both had a good connection with the force
What's the song in the background?
It really seems to be the difference of thinking of the force as a tool as opposed to an ally.
How do you explain obiwan beating him in 3 and at the end of his new series? Also, Anakin “couldn’t care less” Not “could care less”. If he could care less then that means he cares at least a little bit. Great video and info though!
Drinking game: every time the word dissappointed is spoken, drink a glass of whiskey! I am so hammered rn, I can;t even type correctly
WHAT IS THE MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND?!
I love Anakin’s fascination with physical combat. Only Master Windu could’ve opened the door for Master Skywalker to attain higher levels of the force. Starting with physical application, transitioning thru spiritual one. Ya see, Anakin would have to be tricked into learning more spirituality thru combat. Like The Kung Fu Masters from Old School Martial Arts Movies.
Revan is a goid choice for inhabiting the chisen ones body.
But I raise you a Darth Bane.
good video
Staying within the physical realm is something Luke inherited from him, it seems. Seemingly for the better, since a lot of the problems surrounding the Jedi is them forcing themselves to be detached from the needs of the physical world. That worked for them, but they didn't exist in a vacuum.
It's right there in every statement, by allies, critics, and opponents .. Anakin was a WARRIOR. He was concerned with the defense of the weak, the scourge of evil .. a former slave, he was a Jedi KNIGHT. He had less concern with Peace and more concern with Justice. Had Qui-Gon lived to be his Master, Anakin might have perhaps followed a different path.
"Disliked". Much better than "HATED". Very good!
Ironically, for a video that goes into Anakin's sabre style and blithely comments on how pretty much every Jedi he fought found it overwhelming, it avoids his record against Obi-Wan... which was not very good. Obi-Wan could have killed him on Mustafar (he could have killed him repeatedly, ignoring multiple openings, and really, really didn't want to hurt him, spending the entire duel on the defensive and begging him not to try and overcome Obi-Wan's environmental advantage. Guess what happened next) and barely worked up a sweat, and in their next serious duel a.k.a. when Obi-Wan had reconnected with the Force and WASN'T in the midst of a flashback/running for his life, Obi-Wan beat him even more brutally, overpowering him with the Force, destroying his respirator, slicing open his helmet and implicitly his head (that scar we see in Return of the Jedi is in the same place Obi-Wan cut open his helmet), then leaving him to scream impotently... and while Vader technically won on the Death Star, and did have the upper-hand, Obi-Wan got exactly what he wanted from that duel, turning into a Force Ghost as a final 'f**k you' to his apprentice.
Heck, the whole point of their interactions in 'Kenobi' was that until Anakin/Vader let go of his obsessive desire to prove he was the best, he would always be the Apprentice and Obi-Wan would always be the Master. And even decades later, on the Death Star, Obi-Wan is still taking him to school...
Imagine being far stronger in the Force than literally everyone else but all you want to do is wave a fancy glow stick around.
I thought about this too had he had studied and became as in the ways of the force and the power that master yoda did he would have led the Jedi Order And became Yoda's and Macy's successor
This is a perfect example of potential versus outcome. He should have been Qui-Gon's padawan, he would have been exposed to much deeper philosophical potential.
The thing is though, he fulfilled the prophecy perfectly. He brought BALANCE to the force, not some greater good balance, true balance. He destroyed the Jedi, and then there were only two. Two factions, two jedi, two sith. True balance, the way an unfeeling force might dictate it should be
It always seemed Anikan was content to follow, and never stepping up to seize control or take the rings of the galaxy he always seemed to stay in a subservient role perhaps this is due to his upbringing as a slave. True responsibility has seemed to frighten him almost. As Anaken he needed Obi Wan when becoming Vader he needed Padmay as Vader he needed palpatine and then needed Luke to overthrow palpatine. Never stepping up and saying I need nobody and just taking the galaxy by sheer will.
Star Wars really needs a What IF stories.