Heresy - What It Is and What It's Not
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- Опубліковано 8 гру 2020
- A discussion of the biblical meaning of heresy and the proper use of the word in apologetics and discernment.
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Gosh, It sure is nice hearing someone talk about heresy with some sanity. Thank You Rod.
Great job Rod. I was going to do a video on this topic and still might, focusing on what the common theological and historical research errors are and what sins they are committing in doing what they are doing..."Discernment heresy hunter accusers of the brethren" who deceive, lie, misrepresent, and gossip are an absolute cancer. You did a fantastic job laying a proper foundation for grown -ups to discuss issues in the church while doing so in a loving and biblically appropriate way.
Plz do make the video to refute the so called discernment ,God willing
God bless
Thank you. My son and his wife are calvanists and are tearing down ministries. I am sick about it.
You cleared a few things up. I still have so much to learn. Thanks Jew and Greek/Rod Saunders
Great Video Rod! Such a clear and careful explanation of what constitutes heresy!
I enjoy your sober and balanced perspectives. Blessings brother.
Thank You and Praise the Lord! Blessings from Italy.
Love, love, love this! 💛💛💛🎯
So good, Rod! 🙌 This very topic has been on my heart for a few years now, and weights on my heart every few days. In fact, I am planning on doing a similar bunch of videos on this topic next year. 😎👍
I am biased, but this is such a crucial message and one of my favourite videos from you so far - absolute Gold! 👑🏆
Keep up the excellent work. Blessings! 👏
Excellent analysis! We need more teaching likw this
Great episode Rod.👍
Another great video as always brother Rod and something we all need to learn God bless you brother Rod
Christian unity is actually an important doctrine. Very few people in the heresy hunt culture are inclined to defend it. I wonder, why? Would violating this doctrine constitute heresy according to their own perimeters? Hmmm.
Heresy is whenever you disagree with me over any doctrinal interpretation whatsoever. So dont even do it, because if you do there will be an exposed video with your name on it. Just be glad it's not a stake...
Hahaha, sorry man. I'm trying to be funny.
Thankyou so much for bringing clarification on what heresy actually is.👍👍👍
Thanks bro. Always enjoy your videos and spirit of your teachings. Very sound
This teaching is so needed.
I just came across two videos by reformedwiki that were very concerning. In one video, they said that Copeland and Joyce Myers teachings make them worse than Hitler.
The other video said that the real issue we should condemn with Hillsong is not the sexual sin, but the doctrines they are teaching.
This is so wrong... while I don't agree with all of the doctrines... they have certainly brought many thousands to a true relationship with the true Christ Jesus.
It needs to be made very clear that the Bible says the teachers will be held accountable for wrong doctrines they spread (James 3:1)...but just because someone leads other to Jesus but then teaches excessive prosperity, doesn't mean those listeners will go to hell. That judgement belongs first to the teachers.
Oh what I wanted to know. Thanks Brother Rods
I don’t consider myself charismatic (I don’t like labels: tho I do believe in the continuation of the gifts), and I don’t agree with everything you say… but I do like most of the things you say. You seem pretty cool. Subscribed.
Keep it up
Great stuff!!
Very interesting you said a lot of good points 🤔🤔
Great Video! God Bless you Brother Rod!
Well said brother
By love and kindness have I drawn thee, Not by "calling people out and thinking more highly than of one self than you should. The "World" needs Jesus. PEOPLE DO NOT CARE ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU(THINK) YOU KNOW, TILL THEY KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CARE. Rod, I thank God for your wisdom and pure sound teaching of Gods word and conduct. It is all about Jesus and His Church. I love formal education, but, a PhD can not replace my BHS (Baptism in Holy Spirit).
love this!
Recently I watched a video from a well-known "discernment ministry." This individual started out talking about excesses practiced by some charismatic and Pentecostal groups and ministers. Having been a charismatic Christian for 48 years and being exposed to multiple ministers and fellowships, I had seen some of the non-biblical extremism he described. I agreed with him up to that point. Then he shifted gears to "That's what ALL charismatics and Pentecostals believe and do ALL the time," which is not simply true. He went so far as to say that ALL charismatics and Pentecostals are lost, they are not even saved, they are all bound for Hell. I felt real grief well up inside me, not anger for this individual. I have no doubt this individual is saved but I believe he has some bad theology. I would call him a brother in Christ but I don't think he would say the same of me. By the way I came out of a reform church. Extremism can be found in the charismatic camp, but it can also be found in the reform movement.
Why is it there are such fundamental distortion when it comes to primary and secondary issues? What kind of spirit brings such distortion so that false accusers run rampant? Those who promote a partisan spirit are the last to acknowledge that such a spirit comes first, with the evidentiary support following. Its a religious spirit, pure and simple.
I see that spirit of religion a lot in catholicism too. They are so focused on works that many that we have witnessed too just don't seem to understand the free gift of salvation. They focus on the religious aspect and sadly they neglect the spiritual aspect, the Godly aspect
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Good Stuff,
It's sad that people hate sound doctrine. This is too gooood.
Hello Rod,,, I would love to learn about soteriology but most books are from the Reformed wing, I have John Owens books but I don't want to read them deeply for the fear of turning to Reformed theology. Where can I get good books on salvation? And thanks for the video as always
Off the top of my head I'd recommend Charles Ryrie's book So Great Salvation. It was a rebuttal to John MacArthur's book The Gospel According To Jesus where he promoted Lordship Salvation, so be aware of the fact that it's a rebuttal rather than simply a topical book on the subject of soteriology, but it covers the issues pretty thoroughly. You could also check out Ryrie's book on Basic Theology. If I think of anything else I'll let you know.
@@JewandGreek Thanks, I shall surely read them by God's grace
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Who originated word of faith movement ? Was it E.W. Kenyon ? Did Kenyon influence Kenneth Hagin ?
The movement that began in the 1970s was led by Kenneth Hagin, but the roots of WoF theology go back to the Faith Cure movement in the late 19th century. I did a video on this a few months ago. ua-cam.com/video/UVKNWJbzbzA/v-deo.html
@@JewandGreek thank you for answering, appreciate your cross reference video. Have a blessed new year.
Is the Roman Catholic understanding of future judgment and salvation heresy?
I'm no expert on Catholicism but as I understand it their eschatology is amillennial. I don't consider that heretical. As for their soteriology, it's hard to nail them down. Since Vatican 2 most Catholics have insisted that they affirm justification by faith, but many of their critics claim that they still have a works based system.
@@JewandGreek FYI. My thoughts on the topic.
Abstract. All people are born sinners, dead in their transgressions and sins, willfully incapable of believing in God or submitting to his law. Deserving God’s holy wrath.
Initial salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone, which gives assurance of future salvation. Sinners are forgiven their sins, made righteous and blameless through Christ’s death on the cross. They have their hearts circumcised and their minds renewed by God’s Holy Spirit. Having become righteous in the sight of God, they bear good fruit, practice righteousness, but still sin.
The process of salvation involves both God and the believer. God continues to forgive through the cross of Jesus and sustains the righteous through the Spirit. The righteous are instructed to persevere in gospel faith, repentance, and obedience. There remains the real danger of falling from grace by ongoing unrepented sin.
On the day of the Lord, Jesus will judge every person impartially according their works. People reap what they sow. God’s people will stand before God righteous, holy and blameless. Their sins forgiven and remembered no more. Their perseverance in repentance, in righteousness and good works throughout their Christian lives reaping eternal life. The sinners and the wicked will be condemned, receiving death as the just penalty for their sins.
Future salvation will be given to the righteous who will receive eternal life and inherit the kingdom of God. The wicked will be punished and endure God’s wrath. thescripturesays.org/topics/future-judgment-and-salvation/
Great video! Thank God for your channel!I have to note, I disagree on the idea that we have to live with a sinful nature until death, but otherwise, this was a powerful confirmation of things the Spirit has been dealing with me on. Welcome correction! Thank you! This also confirms what I have wholeheartedly believed for years- once saved, always saved/perseverance of the saints is the most dangerous false teaching in the church today. Sadly, it’s held by many godly brothers and sisters, but how many have been deceived and ruined by it. 2 Peter 2:20.
Yeah, I'm not a OSAS guy, but I'm not a Christian perfectionism guy either. I'd be interested in how you arrive at your conclusion on that?
@@JewandGreek if you are asking why I say OSAS is the most dangerous false teaching in the church today, it’s because it promotes a laxed attitude towards sin. It has, no doubt, facilitated the falling away of many. If the most serious message the world needs to hear is how to obtain salvation, doesn’t it follow that the most important warning for the church is that they can forfeit salvation?
@@acts413biblecollege8 Actually I was referring to the "living without a sinful nature" part.
@@JewandGreek I’m not claiming that Christians will never sin or become incapable of sinning. I am saying that the Holy Spirit has provided power to always overcome so that we never have to sin. We are supposed to see ourselves as dead to sin. We can be partakers of the divine nature. Just like deliverance from sickness and physical affliction was purchased already but we don’t always see it for various known & unknown reasons. We have promises of deliverance from sin we can claim by faith and put to death the old nature.
Are you some type of Arminian?
What makes one person qualified.to call out another person.i can call out someone but am not a scholar.or do i study that much.its people that just think different
Wow!
Great explanation and as usual good use of verses and explaining their context. Something most ignore. You always seem to look at things well except when you stray into politics.
On a side note I've always found infant baptism discussions amusing. Without exception every person I've met who has aggressively denounced the practice has belonged to a church which has a cweremony that does the same thing as infant baptism just without water.
You don't like my political views? Come on, man! (Joe Biden voice)
Actually I try to avoid politics because I consider it counter-productive. I have to confess I used to be a political junkie and was obsessed with debating politics. I finally realized that my debating skills could be put to better use with apologetics. Thus, my blog and videos. Thanks for the support.
@@JewandGreek Since I'm from another country I don't worry much about politics in your country. There was one video where I felt you were very much promoting a view because that is seen as the right thing to do as a christian rather than looking at it in the same way you do others. Just my opinion of course!
8:20 MR SAUNDERS, CAN THE WORD HAIRESIS ALSO MEAN, DENOMINATIONS?
Possibly, but then I'm not a Greek scholar. Many denominations are formed over political, cultural, or structural differences. For example, the Southern Baptists started as a result of the slavery issue. The Assemblies of God were basically just a white version of the Church of God in Christ. Then there are churches that hold basically the same beliefs but disagree on church government or "polity", be it congregational, presbyterian, apostolic, pastoral ... etc. Then there are church splits which would qualify as divisions, but those are rarely over doctrine. They're usually over disagreements over personalities, finances, or other non-doctrinal issues.
@@JewandGreek THANK U FOR RESPONDING. IN THE WORLD OF MATHEMATICS, IN FRACTIONS, THE DENOMINATOR IS ALSO CALLED, THE DIVISOR. IN 1 CORINTHIANS 1:10, 13 PAUL IS SPEAKING OUT AGAINST DIVISION IN THE CHURCH / BODY OF CHRIST. MY INTERPRETATION OF WHAT PAUL IS SAYING IS THAT DENOMINATIONALISM DIVIDES THE BODY OF CHRIST. THEREFORE DENOMINATIONALISM MUST NOT BE A GOOD THING. IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT MY INTERPRETATION IS WRONG.
Heresy is Some Times Here Say
That story lolololololol!!!!!
@Jew and Greek I don't agree with you on a number of things but I really liked this video, lots of food for thought. Often, the church does not do disagreement on non-essential issues well (I include myself in that).
There was one point you made though that I didn't particularly like. You were saying that false teachers shouldn't be called out publicly and I understand the reasons you gave from Scripture. However, isn't that something you do in your videos? You call out people in these discernment ministries by name, presumably because you think what they are saying is harmful and you want other believers to be aware of them, and why it's harmful. Just as in the exact same way, discernment ministries call out who they think are false teachers by name because they perceive their teaching to be harmful and want other believers to be aware of them, and why the teaching is harmful
I think the issue here is more the manner with which both sides talk about these issues. Mockery, pride, arrogance etc we see quite a lot. But, as long as it's done with respect and humility, I don't see why we can't name those we disagree with when we present our case on an issue.
The difference is I don't attack. I respond. Jesus and Paul responded to their critics, and Peter tells us to always be prepared to give an answer. I don't recall ever doing a video calling somebody a heretic or false teacher other than a passing reference to Carlton Pearson who admits to being a heretic. When I name names it's because the person has already put their name out there in a UA-cam video attacking individuals or Charismatics or "NAR" or WoF. Once they do that they've made themselves "fair game". I don't consider Kari Jobe (whom Spencer Smith called a heretic) fair game. I agree that we need to change the tone, and I think The Remnant Radio is trying to make that happen which is why I support them. The problem is we're not talking TO each other. We're talking AT each other. I've offered to dialogue with all of my critics, but so far nobody seems willing to take me up on the offer.
@@JewandGreek fair enough, yeah I'm really liking what Remnant Radio are doing at the moment
8:20 idk I just found it funny
The simplest way to define heresy today is by defining "truth." Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life. . ." So any religious teaching that contradicts Jesus' words or teaching is heresy. Now, as Christians how do we deal with heresy? We don't burn them alive at the stake! We don't hang them or chop off their heads. We admonish them! After several admonitions we just leave them alone.
A heresy in the biblical sense is a division or sect caused by a difference in beliefs.
The Jews called Christianity heresy.
Christians in different sects today may unfortunately consider other denominations as heresy. The disunion among us is undeniable. Denominations are not the plan of God. Grace and Peace!
LOL!! Good 'Un!
Lots of things in Christiandom is heresy; some of this heresy is small case h(eresy), some is upper case heresy. Either way, it's still error (heresy). Unfortunately, some denominations are only mildly concerned about heresy, others actually lable it for what it is.
Google Why You Should Know about the New Thought movement - the Conversation
I agree with the part about Trump growing up in New Thought. I disagree with them that "prosperity gospel" Charismatics don't emphasize being born again. There is no link between Word of Faith Charismatics and Phineas Quimby's "New Thought".
You say no link...... so any similarities are just coincidental ?
haha u wont believe it, i came to share a joke with u and clicked this random video and what do i see in the intro? The same joke I wanted to share with you xD anyways here the link to the heretic joke by RT Kendall ogy(.)de/y6 (manuelly type not copy) His is more nuanced and more funny :)))
Nice joke.
You have a way at twisting and convincing people that what you say is right.. Well let me ask you a question how many lies does a man need to tell to be a liar? You may not see the harm in mistaking the color of Lydias cloth but only if it was a mistake and not intentional.. For example pastors like Joel Osteen know for a fact there is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ.. Yet he claims there are many ways. That makes him a heretic because he teaches a false gospel.
Except that Joel doesn't say that. He says there is one way to God and that's Jesus.
@@JewandGreek Sorry that was Oprah! aha.. But you never answered my question. How many lies does a man need to tell to be considered a liar?
@@SpontaneousAbstraction Well that depends. Since we have all told a lie at some point in our lives you could say that we're all liars if you use the "one lie is enough" criterion. But usually people use "liar" in reference to somebody who is a habitual liar, like say politicians.
@@JewandGreek Are you a liar?
@@SpontaneousAbstraction By the former yes. By the latter no.
Btw all your hyper Charismatics...we won’t be disembodied spirits in Heaven. That’s actually Gnosticism. 😉
btw ive been a charismatic for almost 20 years and I havent heard any charismatic say this..
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Then you should interact more with your fellow church members. Over twenty years for me as well.
@@spacebbq344 im here here to argue but i Do interact with them, lots of them, cos i do pastoral work too