The Truth About Joel Osteen: Analysis of the Man and His Ministry
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2023
- Man of God or heretic? A look at the claims about the pastor of the largest single-campus church in America. In this video I discuss the history of Lakewood Church, Joel's father John, and the circumstances behind Joel Osteen's rise to prominence as the most popular preacher in the country.
Joel as video producer - www.chron.com/culture/article...
Lakewood's history - www.lakewoodchurch.com/about/...
Joe's first house - www.chron.com/business/articl...
I-65/Hwy 59 under water - www.marketplace.org/wp-conten...
Joel's apology/clarification letter - web.archive.org/web/200508150...
Al Mohler's response to Joel's apology - albertmohler.com/2005/06/25/j...
Compaq Center flooded during Tropical Storm Allison - web.archive.org/web/201708292...
CBN story on Lakewood and Hurricane Harvey - www2.cbn.com/news/us/here-com...
Slate article on Lakewood and Harvey - slate.com/news-and-politics/2...
John Gray's tweet on Lakewood and Harvey - praisedc.com/1845696/pastor-j...
Christian Post article on Lakewood and Harvey - www.christianpost.com/news/jo...
ABC interview with Joel Osteen during Harvey - abc7chicago.com/joel-osteen-l...
Katrina victims - www.abccolumbia.com/2017/08/3...
Christian Post article on Joel Osteen assisting Katrina victims - www.christianpost.com/news/na...
Transcript of Larry King Interview - transcripts.cnn.com/show/lkl/...
Joel's tweet using "attract" - / 1609875401941176321
CNN video on Hurricane Harvey - www.cnn.com/videos/world/2017...
Snopes article on Joel Osteen's "Ferrari" - www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe...
ABC story on Victoria Osteen lawsuit - abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?i...
John MacArthur's Sermon on Joel Osteen - • John MacArthur: Becomi...
John MacArthur on Joel Osteen: My Response - • John MacArthur on Joel...
Mike Gets a Strike: A Breakdown - • Mike Winger's Video on...
Melissa Dougherty on Joel Osteen: My Response - • Melissa Dougherty on J...
Caleb Corneloup on Joel Osteen (A Jet and a Ferrari?): My Response - • Caleb Corneloup: "Joel...
My Review of Your Best Life Now - • Your Best Life Now (Jo...
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Great analysis. Joel's messages of hope really helped me when I was struggling a few years ago. I don't listen to him as much now because I prefer a more steady spiritual diet while his messages are like ice cream. May God continue to use his ministry. 🙏
I agree! Joel is my go to when I need some encouragement.
@thomasjnemeth interesting. The word itself should be encouraging, including the parts the point the finger at us. I'd care about the accuracy and essence of the preaching. If it's 90% life coaching, I'd rather go to people that have studied relevant material and won't feel betrayed by the word when I realize God/Jesus did not promise me comfort and prosperity on earth
@@IronKore I think its more 90% encouragement. Not life coaching. I haven't listened to Joel for a long time, but he's good as part of a broader smorgasbord or diet from time to time. A salad sandwich is good from time to time. I believe he has a spirit of faith and encouragement. I like him.
However, I don't know where you get this idea that Joel preachers comfort? I see him very often encouraging people who are in pain not to give up and trust God. That, I believe, is his main gifting.
I've always got the impression that Joel believes people have a "certain" destiny that God has for them (which I also believe) and its about helping them through encouragement to reach that dream whatever that is. I just think people need more teaching on how God doesn't bless selfish dreams or lazy people or trying to be something you are not gifted for. People are not always honest with themselves.
And on prosperity. A lot of his messages have nothing to do with money or prosperity. Some do - but a lot don't.
I confess that when I was young in Christ, I allowed the lies of spiteful men and the opinions of prejudiced people lead me astray on Joel Osteen.
He's really not that bad. He's good at what he does, and if you are already a Spirit-filled believer capable of eating the meat and spitting out the bones, his positive messages are of great encouragement and a breath of fresh air in a Christian culture that loves to hate on prosperity and deny every blessing from God, i.e. the "poverty gospel" preached by spiritually dead millionaire pastors.
I was led astray but I thank God that He saw fit to deliver me from the deception as I grew in Him.
Praise the glorious Father, praise the beautiful Son, and Praise the Holy Spirit of Truth for His faithfulness and giving me the faith to trust in all God's blessings and discern the wolves in sheep's clothing.
Loved this! Thank you for setting the record straight yet again w a balanced message. I fell for some of those haters a while ago,but started to realize I didn't know how toxic what I was watching on yourube was until I found out properly what Calvinism & other odd or overly legalistic or hyper fundamentalistic those scaring me off were. Thank you for ur channel being a light in the darkness on youtube. Im sharing! Your videos are so worthwhile to share...We need more channels like yours.May God bless your channel!& Bless you too!🙏🙏🙏
Yes, Calvinism almost destroyed my faith. It can be one of the more toxic corners of Christianity.
it was his final pastors conference, where he focused on world missions and pay the way for every person who wanted to come from any nation of the world to join the conference that I met a man from Bhutan. This became my most important contact by which every contact I ever received my entire life in the ministry came from. We now have 15 Bible schools and 13 nations and over 500 churches in a school of missions where we send out missionaries we have preach the gospel to over a half 1 million people and these are people who have never once heard the gospel of Jesus Christ. We just got back from preaching, and reaching one of the unengaged unreached people groups that no one had ever been able to find nor reach according to the Joshua project. After much planning and work, we located them after a week of searching in the area where the Joshua project said they were. They weren’t exactly where we were told but we did eventually find them, and we eventually broke through and engaged this formally unengaged group, and now we have told Joshua project about it. It is one of 24 unengaged unreached groups in Thailand and our goal is to reach all 24 unengaged groups in the next 24 months. All of this came from John Osteen’s final pastors conference in 1998 focused on missions and every contact I’ve ever made is because of that final conference. So this church has literally reached millions. It’s reached millions just through our ministry close to 3 million people and a half 1 million of those were completely unreached prior to us bringing the gospel to them. Can you imagine with 8000 other pastors and missionaries there how many other connections and how many tens of millions of people have been reached since that conference and since that time.? It’s a number that can never be counted. Thank God for John Osteen and for Joel.
Amazing Testimony
Sounds great. Did Joel ever continue it? I doubt it
Thank you for doing such a good job on this comprehensive video. I always wondered about Joel Osteen, but used him for my depressed clients because his messages were indisputably helpful. You really put to rest the various charges against him with in depth historical perspective (much like all your videos-such excellent work). I always kind of had the sense he was a regular guy and the synopsis you gave about how he got into extraordinary circumstances really clarifies the whole thing. There is an exercise girl who worked with Jack LaLanne and became a famous herself (Denise Austin) and she is just as cheery as Joel. A lot of people don’t like her either. I think the public is suspicious and just not willing to trust anyone who is too happy 😂
Interesting take on "cheeriness". I'm 67 and this is how I've always tended to be throughout my life. Perhaps this is why people have tended to challenge me or be not so nice to me. Life has definitely not always been kind to me but I have always just kept the bad times to myself and those closest to me.
I was saved about a year ago and love the Osteen family. I listen to Joel every day, and it wasn't until I started reading the Bible that I realized that I learned so much and that I know the Bible stories from Joel's sermons. God bless!
Keep following the Holy Spirit, keep studying and keep witnessing to the lost. Continue to let your light shine brighter every day. He has a call in your life so continue to excel in Him. Praise God. Oh, by the way. It is His will to be healed
Man Rod you did a great job on Joel, you have done your homework and it shows.
I had never watched anything but snippets on the Larry King interview.
Providing the script along with his clarification of the interview helps a lot.
I know personality that its difficult to continually answer questions, from people who want you to fail.
Oprah at one time took an interest in preachers of the Gosple, and so many celebrities will change what they confess weekly.
I agree some better discernment should be used, whenever allowing their voice among the congregation.
God will choose the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.
Very insightful content as always Rod. Great job!
GREAT VIDEO! Covered all of the topics that need to be covered. I learnt a LOT of things I didn't know. On top of that I feel I understand fully Joel's mindset. Thanks so much for this. I'm going to keep this video for friends who don't have the full picture of Joel Osteen.
I attended Lakewood when his father was Pastor. He was a wonderful teacher. Joel isn't my cup of tea but good to hear your thoughts on him.
Amen!
It was a heart warming story how Lakewood began.
A feed store that part of the sign blew off, what a blessing today!
Great analysis of this complex issue. I believe this is helpful to many people. Thank Rod!
Excellent work! Great content as always with a "just the facts" approach, that we all need.
listening from Zambia..thank you for your program sir..we appreciate it
I enjoyed it! An interview with him would be really amazing. Let’s pray it happens. Please can you do a follow up on the Passion Translation in light of Mike Winger gathering biblical scholars to discredit the entire translation
I did a couple of videos two years ago on TPT. ua-cam.com/video/emITNMFEwS4/v-deo.html&pp=gAQBiAQB
This was a very balanced and well done video! Thank you for what you are doing. Even though it can be wearisome at times, your videos bring much needed light and clarity where there is misconceptions and division.
Excellent video, Rod! 💯👏
This was a great analysis delivered with balance, accuracy, and grace - one of your best yet, in my opinion. Loved it! 🏆
Blessings! 👑
Listening from Germany. That was a very righteous approach, pretty insightful, and I appreciate your work. Thanks!
Hi Rod! My wife likes Joel, I'm more into teaching from the Bible. If I want a motivational speaker, I'll read Acts. Love your commentary!
WOW! A blast from the past. Thanks for watching, Nick.
We all start from somewhere, knowing little to nothing. However, I think the problem lies in what happened to get someone off course and can they be corrected? I'm happy to hear when some people throw away what they have been taught and actually find out what the truth is instead of continuing in error and leading others astray. Thanks for the insight brother
i thought the purpose of a pastor is to not to sugar coat sin he takes a lot of scripture out of context
Find me 3 Scriptures that indicate the role of a Pastor is to even deal with sin after a methodical, consistent fashion? Im not saying the role of a pastor excludes dealing with 'sin' when issues arise but that is not even among the Pastors Top 5 roles in the local church.
Very well put together like all your videos ❤
Loved this, too. Now, I have a better understanding of my reservations about Joel. The man definitely has problems; however, he's not a false teacher. Yet, I need to look at myself in terms of what's on my own channel.
I'm an encourager in my contents and can see and appreciate what he's trying to do. Yet, I am struck by a need for balance in my own contents.
Thank you for putting these things in proper perspective.
My friend, I discovered your channel yesterday. In the mean time, this one being the last one, I have viewed 4 or 5 of your videos. And to just say it has been a blessing would be an understatement. So thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Your assessment and conclusions about Joel and his ministry were just amazing, encouraging and inspiring.
I have been a believer in Jesus Christ for over 47 years now. The one part of this video that caught my attention the most was his views about Christ being the ONLY way. You and I may have to agree to disagree on this, don’t know enough about you to know for sure, but I think I know what he means, which I agree with. Jesus IS the ONLY way for anyone to heaven, BUT what needs to happen in a man’s heart for Jesus to save him only God knows. I’ve always wrestled with the idea of someone having a pure heart, believing in a one true God and hungering after Him, but for whatever reason without the knowledge of the gospel that I have. Would God reject him or her and not bring them under the saving power of Christ simply because of what they don’t know at an intellectual level? I say NO! God will always judge the heart of those seeking to know Him as the most important thing. And Jesus is there to be a blessing to them. Even if they didn’t have knowledge of Jesus the way I have it.
I don’t have a big ministry to protect and defend so I guess I could make my beliefs known without any fear of loosing anything.
But regardless my brother of how you see my views, thank you and may the Lord bless you richly and continue using you!
Love the comments on not being required to learn theology but about character.
Thank you for your balanced perspective on Joel Osteen. While I have my issues with how Joel Osteen approaches the gospel, I will let God be the judge of that. I knew Joel's dad, John Osteen and felt he was a powerful preacher and he influenced me and my family greatly. I really enjoying your description of trends and people within the church today and value your reasonable way of telling the full story of each minister or ministry. God bless you.
Thank you for this video...I've only watched one of Joel Osteens videos of a church service and have heard so much regarding Joel and not much at all was good. And well like some folks I took it as truth without giving question. I do thank you for this frank and informative video.
Great video. As always thank you. God’s continued blessings to you.
One needs to preach the whole counsel of God, love, mercy, holiness, wrath etc….
If you've been called to be a preacher, or, teacher, that's true.
So, Joel isn’t a preacher.
I will say Joel seems like a genuinely nice guy, and he has encouraging things to say for sure. I just dont see him as a pastor or teacher, much more as a Christian motvational speaker or life coach. I dont think he covers the tougher deeper subjects, but appeals mostly to the seeker friendly... I consider him "Christian Light" just my take 🔥 ❤ 🔥
Excellent presentation mate
That was a good video, my opinion of Joel was changed a bit by it. Goodjob.
Your voice is great for story telling
12:22 I don't like Joel because he says Mormons are Christians, Muslims and Hindus are saved, never preaches the Gospel, and teaches the power of positive bs. His sermons have no substance. I never considered his book title before JMac brought it up. I consider JMac a charlatan the same as I consider most of the mainstream WOF people.
Also he puts out copyright claims against people critiquing his sermons in order to shut them down.
@@TatteredBiblePodcast I covered most of that in the video.
he confusses a lot of believers on sin i have family members that love him tryed to give him some slack but seen this and was shocked told my inlaws about these clips they got mad a me
I know is all good, even b4 u go through ur explaination on anything.. wil watch L8r.. much/many thanks 🐑
Im ready 🎉
Me too!!!!
Hey Bro Rod. Loved this expose. Was wonderful as always. You should do a video on Pastor Greg Locke. Would love to hear your thoughts on the Pastor who started out as a Fundamental Baptist who now believes in and operates in signs, wonders and miracles.
This is gonna be good!!!
Exhortation!...You really hit it on the spot Mr Rod . That's what I like about Joel Osteen and as you said ,Joel does it better than anyone one else .
as a x morman what joel said was misleading and very confusing to a young believer
Popularity or numbers don’t mean doctrine is correct
Finally someone has a fair viewpoint of this man (and I used to criticize him)
Sincere review Rod.
Well done, thank you!!!!!
I'm learning a lot while listening to your videos and enjoying the simple way you state the facts. Seeing this video, I don't think Joel Osteen is a "heretic." I think he is really bad at being interviewed and much more devious people catch him off guard.
You are either for the truth or against, can't be in-between
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The Problem with intellectuals they can only speak to intellectuals because no one else understands them, also a man's intellect does not open the eyes of the blind only God opens the eyes of the blind, it is written, that the Christ rejoiced in the spirit because the father had given the things of God to little children and not the wise and learned, there are many in the Christian faith who speak much error because they lost in their intellectual arguments and cannot see a simple truth that is in front of their faces, John Macarthur, RC sproul and all those like them, they may bring forth intellectual understanding of the scriptures but they still fail to see the truth, because there is one thing that John MaCarthur lacks and all those like him is love, the reason why Joel Osteen does not condemn those who do not believe in the Christ is because he loves them and it is not in his heart to do so and rightly so, if I can fathom all things and yet have not love I have nothing I am nothing, man can never claim to another man that he is condemned and going to hell, because when he does this he prophecies, then the man who prophecies the condemnation of another man better pray to God that this man is condemned, because if he isn't, then the man who has prophesied has become a false prophet, and in this, he only condemns himself, for no man knows what happens to a man when he passes from this world only God, as it is written, I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy and I will not have mercy upon whom I will not have mercy, this is the judgement of God, not the judgement of man.
Good job as usual.
Thankyou x
Joel mentioned Jesus 8 times in his book & how DARE somebody say, "he never mentioned Jesus"?
Jesus should thank Joel for those EIGHT pitiful mentions.
Are you suggesting that it's okay to lie about your theological opponent simply because you see some lack in their presentation?
@@JewandGreek did I say that it is ok to lie?
Of course not. However, I never once heard anyone AND I MEAN ANYONE lie on poor picked on Joel
I see people calling him out, as well they should. We are told to test the spirits and I believe we have a Christian responsibility to our weaker brothers in the faith & steer them to BIBLE TRUTHS. We are our brother's keeper.
@@MarciaHooley-fr7qj John MacArthur said that Joel Osteen didn't mention Christ once in that book and in fact he mentioned Him eight times. What he said was not true. Maybe he was just speaking in ignorance or maybe he was lying but what he said was not true.
I believe Joel Osteen is afraid people won't like him or something
I think it's more a matter of not wanting to alienate people, but it's inevitable when you proclaim the truth.
@@JewandGreek Jesus said, "They hate me, and they're going to hate you, too". (paraphrased)
Problem is, he doesn’t proclaim the truth.
Thanks for making this video. You presented a balanced view of the man.
I don't know. I went to olsteen speaking engagement and I always think the people outside thst are protesting could spend their time in a more positive way. I think instead of protesting they should share the gospel and let people know exactly how to come to God. I don't know if they will heat it going to olsteen church
I never had an issue with olsteen but he is saying many times that we should follow Jesus and the Bible. The Bible, Paul, jesus all explicitly say you will not enter the kingdo lf... I never ever hear that from olsteen. Excusing his lack of explicitly declaring what is clearly in the bible by saying he isnt a theologian is a stretch. Also to say the lack that is in olsteen is that he's a simple guy is also a stretch.
So when word of faith teachers die does that mean they lacked faith or was it God’s will
Please teach a class on Word of Faith ❤ I really want to learn without the excesses that we see lol I guess I better go to Rhema❤ please do a series and please write another book love your book defending the faith lol 😂 tall order but I hope you do awesome stuff ❤
love Joel the only issue I 've with Joel is He & some others don't stand and speak on issues of certain sin that we see ravaging the world today such as abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage, twisting of Scripture & etc .. in saying that some r extremely harsh on him & Victoria ,
God Bless u & all who hear the truth
I think you cut him a little too much slack… Especially on the theology part… And I am as Pentecostal as it gets with a capital P, so I am not some reform person. Being picky, I’m just a picky Pentecostal… Lol I actually believe that his gift is exhortation as in Romans 12. The thing is, that does not a five fold minister make. He would be a good Christian motivational speaker, and I do not mean that as a slam. I think there is a place for them, but they should not be pastoring regardless of how many thousands of people go. The gifts of pastor and teacher often go together and well they should. Peter admonished the elders to feed the flock of God over which the Holy Ghost had made them overseers. Not just for them to delegate that responsibility to whoever may be doing the midweek. Thank God for that, but bishops should be able to teach, one Timothy, three verses, one: seven, Titus, one verses 5:9. So that is my main hobby horse there. But I believe he loves the Lord, and he is gifted to exhort And he has a powerful gift there, and I believe that people who are babies in the Lord and those who are given to depression, self-pity, unforgiveness issues, etc. can be helped and encouraged by him. By this, I do not mean that pastors cannot exhort, because I believe that all five ministry gifts can exhort, apart from the gift of exhortation alone, which Brother Hagan used to talk about. But even if a pastor loves to preach and exhort, he should be able to teach, and also raise up teachers in the midst of the congregation as well.
As a capital Pentecostal myself, I find your views not isolated with other Pentecostals. I know many who never liked his ministry - but they have nothing to do with the slander or impunity Joel gets on youtube.
I like him. I don't listen to Joel for my theology. He's an encourager.
However, I would offer two things: many pentecostals are actually evangelical in their thinking (and that's not always a bad thing). As a Pentecostal movement, we got in bed with the Evangelicals in the 1930's and 40's for respectability and so much of their thinking has come over the Pentecostal church. Pentecostals also have Methodists roots too. Just being doing a big study on our beginnings for my Masters Thesis.
Secondly, its possible that in their church he actually does have other teachers who minister. Having been part of a mega church myself in the past, I've seen lots of rotations of different gifts from week to week including the teachers - yet only the senior pastors sessions make it to TV.
He may even only preach twice out of 5 sessions.
@@ntlearning right… I guess you could say I am evangelical with a small E. We certainly need to be evangelistic and we believe in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, so I guess that makes me an evangelical, but many do not like us Pentecostals and charismatics, if you will, and one of the things that I have seen with denominations, such as the assemblies of god and others, is that they seem to want to be evangelicals so badly that they have forsaken their roots. Yes, we certainly do have Baptist and Methodist roots, depending on if your denomination or movement is second blessing or finished work in their theology, not that that should ever have been a division, but anyhow. I am sure that he has teachers there, and in fact, I know that he does. That is a good thing, but I still say that if you are unable to teach, you should not be the senior leader of a work, because bishops should be able to teach, one Timothy three and Titus one. Maybe it is not the strongest gifting, but it should be there, and it should be on display. He certainly is an exhorter, and I give him that, but there is more to the gospel, then two or three minutes at the end of your program and giving a two or three minute appeal and not even really explaining it. Thank God for all those who are positively affected, but makes up a little ray comfort, David, Wilkerson, Mark Barclay, etc. Lol also, I know he apologized for that interview and all, but he did it, because there was a bunch of outlast, and there should’ve been. Anyhow… His dad was awesome and I appreciate all the good that Joel does. I do not dislike him as an individual, but I still say that it is imbalanced, and anyone that looks to him for doctrine just is not in a good place. You need more than a charismatic version of Norman Vincent Peale.
@@ryandawson2877 Thanks for your gracious reply. I'm reading a lot of academic literature from Pentecostal scholars at the moment and what I've found is that there is a resounding call for a "u-turn" and for us to head back somewhat more to the "postive" aspects of our Wesleyan roots. Both Finished work and Wesleyan/Holiness have their good and bad points, and I think if we were clever we would have taken the best of both. Back in those times though, it was easy to be tribal.
I know what you are saying about Pentecostals getting attacked but to be honest we are a bigger group than Evangelicals (the third force in Christendom) and I want to see Pentecostals come out of Evangelicalism. Of course, that wouldn't mean we rip out all of our Evangelical roots - of course not!! We'll always have an Evangelical part of our DNA, but I would rather see us be a little more "sacramental" with Communion like Seymour and the early Wesleyan groups were. I've been reading and hearing lots of testimonies of people getting healed in Communion. I believe Zwinglianism from the Evangelical side chains the Holy Spirit down into Symbolism. No miracles happening. If you are interested in further reading about this, you can find the article here: brill.com/view/journals/pent/26/2/article-p252_252.xml?language=en
And as for Joel Osteen, well, I don't always defend him because he's not Pentecostal. I can't defend every charismatic as they were never really one of us, and Joel should be furthering his bible studies and growing in this area, as you correctly point out. But I do like him.
I think many of the attacks he gets are just plain misrepresentation from Calvinists who don't argue with Catholics anymore - usually because they lose.
Joel preaches flesh only. Honey, heaven is TOUGH to get into. And few find the way. ❤❤
Heaven isn't that hard to get into if you just use the right approach. Jesus said you have to enter in through the narrow gate. That's Jesus. If you try to work your way in you're going to meet with failure.
Osteen is a prosperity preacher plain and simple. He doesn’t proclaim the true gospel that we are sinners in need of a Savior. He won’t call out sin because it will offend and he will lose attendance and dollars. He is worldly and doesn’t preach the Word of God.
It's not plain, and simple. It's just your opinion. Who is your pastor?
Yeah, it’s pretty straightforward.
Joel Osteen is an amazing preacher. He an amazing Encourager
He's an amazing motivational speaker.
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The great SBC or Calvinism cult talking point lol
I have heard this “motivational speaker” tag in places you wouldn’t believe
What brainwashed nonsense
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I meant to type Kanya
I tend to just keep to myself and avoid all large groups of people, too much disharmony with people. Just leave me alone.
Joel Osteen read the Bible like he should he would know that God don't allow women to preach or teach you would know did Jesus said I am the only way the truth and the life no one go to the father except through me teach about Jesus dying for the world and that they can be saved through him do forgiveness and baptism this mean that those people are still in their sin in heaven accepted Jesus Christ if he's not teaching Christ what is he doing speaking about a subject in the Bible and then giving them a rebuttal that tickles and none of their sins are forgiven they walked in as a sinner and left with their sins and that's a Bible fact
That's a pretty incoherent Non-sequitur. Women teaching is a 2nd or 3rd order issue, not a primary "way truth and life " issue, which Osteen wholeheartedly preaches. Better work on your reasoning skills.
This will be interest... 🎉
The problem when he says I will be taught the word of God, some of his and other word of faith teachers teachings are not biblical, God does heal, just not every Christian every time, I’m sure Joel is a good man, who loves the Lord, my issues are with some of the doctrine
This is a very good video. I disagree with a lot of the way Joel handles theology, but our criticisms should be grounded in reality and our attitude shouldn't be one of petty hatred. It's so easy to get caught up in rumors and make villains out of people we don't are with and that's not how Christians should conduct ourselves. This was a good humbling reminder for me.
CThe truth about my brother Joel is that he teaches psychology only. Self affirmation is not a path into heaven as far as we know. It's ok to be a loser and a failure and enter the kingdom of heaven.
Christian psychology if you like.
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osteen is WOF, which is not biblical, does God heal, yes, is it God's will to heal all Christians everytime, no, same with prosperity
Yea but at least he’s not Calvinist 😂
You clearly don't comprehend what it means for a thing to 'be God's Will.' Therefore, you really can't have this conversation. The only criteria I've ever seen given with 'Its not God's will to heal every time' is 'Well, because everyone doesn't get healed every time' which to be equally fair and blunt is downright stupid. It's a logical fallacy.
Malcom X was 'Nation of Islam.' However, a lot of what he said observationally was correct. When labels dictate your attention you fall short of even the most basic form of reason.
Joel teaches you can speak things into existance just like God does and there isnt a narrow way that few find like Jesus said.He is more aligned with Helena blavatzky, alice bailey and new age mystics than Jesus and the apostles.He just quotes a few verses out of context here and there.
The bible says if you dont have the doctrine of Christ you dont have God. He literally teaches the opposite to what Jesus says.He preaches another gospel that doesnt save.
@@davidtomkins6069 Joel teaches you can speak things into existance just like God does *No, he doesn't. Thats a caricatured and cartoonish mis-characterization, false accusation and slander.*
Joel loves money and hides his money in bath room walls
I addressed that in the video. There's no evidence that Joel was connected to the money discovered in the restroom wall. It totaled about $600K in cash and checks. He earns at least four times that much each year as an author, so it really wouldn't make any sense for him to do that would it?
@@JewandGreek the money was in his persation in his church bath room wall if I robbed a bank and the law found that money in my house they would take me to jail
You sure infer a lot in your “truth.”
How so?
Joel looks like a demon
He is a false teacher. He teaches the prosperity gospel and the little Gods gospel.
The Bible says that man was made in God's image. Several early church fathers made references to believers becoming gods, so the implications of the _imago dei_ have been discussed throughout church history. As for the "prosperity gospel", prosperity is all through the Bible. It was part of Israel's covenant with Yaweh. Teaching on prosperity and the _imago dei_ doesn't make you a false teacher. Violating essential doctrines like the Resurrection and the deity of Jesus does, and Joel Osteen affirms all of the essentials.