i've been watching a lot of swivel videos and slowing them down to really understand the motion and i've realized everyone explains it wrong. it isn't the lateral motion that is responsible for each strike, quite the opposite, the lateral motion replaces the "up" motion in regular ankle motion[up down up down] the actually forward/down motion happens when the foot is moving from the outside, into the middle. think of it like this. take your hand out in-front of you, and basically draw a U shape with the hand, this is basically what the foot is doing, a constant back and forth U shape, but without as much upward motion, but with a little bit, so sort of like a bracket ( < that shape ( but on it's side. the lateral motion moves the weight of the leg off the pedal, allowing it to rebound, then the heel moves into the center, and the weight and power of the leg is over the pedal and it drives the beater into the head. it's not really that important, but i think people would understand it better if it was explained this way^ all of your content is amazing btw, it's taught me a lot, i don't swivel, but i JUST learned to play the pedal with just my ankle and not the leg, only my right foot though. i've never gone faster than 150bpm until the last few months. thx!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
agreed - many youtube drummers think that b/c they are good players, that they are good teachers, and just sound like "uhhh so yeah you go back and forth and it kind of comes naturally when you go fast"
Thanks man, that was exactly the explanation I was looking for! I didn't understand what really makes the pedal move up & down but your explanation makes perfect sense now, and helps me greatly to get this technique down .
I play drums for almost 25 years. I have been practise playing a twinpedal for about 6 years. But (like so many else) was never be able to play it well in a way like, in step, stability etc. But when I start to watching to these videos from James Payne....He explains it (the motion) very well, I started to make a lot of progress. I can't do the swivel technique yet....but it's a matter of time.Keep it up james!!
Thanks a lot man for this lesson...it's really help me to understand the concept of the swivel technique in deep. Please do more videos like this...well now it's time to practice...
Ciao james,hai mai fatto un video sul settaggio del pedale?se non lo hai fatto,pensi di farlo?o mi puoi dire che tipo di settaggio usi (inclinazione,piastra, tiraggio delle molle,etc)? Grazie
Yo james. Thank you for this. I'm starting to look into swivel, as I've noticed my feet naturally do it when I near 190bpm. Just wanted to clarify something from your video: you mention not putting pressure through the pedals - that's cool, but does this mean your hip flexors are holding your legs up whilst doing swivel? Cool man. Thanks so much. J
This is the first time I’ve heard of this, pretty cool. Can this be used with single petal technique? Are there programmers out there who do it with single pedal technique? If so who?
Hey James, nice video! Could you help me understand what you mean by playing without the spring vs. playing with the spring? I wasn't really able to understand because in the examples afterwards it seemed about the same, but I want to make sure I understand so I can practice correctly! :D
Hey! Basically practicing with the spring means having the spring on as it usually is, instead without the spring is literally taking the spring off and just work with the pad rebound.
I can do this fine with individual feet but when i go to do them together and sync them up i always get lost. Its always jerky and feels unnatural. Any tips on how to correct this?
There could be many reasons, it's difficult for me to tell without watching what's happening, but I suggest you to check your balance, since it's not a motion problem if you can do the swivel individually. If I would see what you do I could give a more specific tip for sure tho
It depends, the more concentration you'll put in learning this the less time it'll take, just remember that is about in how much your brain will pick up the motions and control your muscles, not about your leg muscles only, so concentration is what makes the difference
i've been watching a lot of swivel videos and slowing them down to really understand the motion and i've realized everyone explains it wrong. it isn't the lateral motion that is responsible for each strike, quite the opposite, the lateral motion replaces the "up" motion in regular ankle motion[up down up down]
the actually forward/down motion happens when the foot is moving from the outside, into the middle.
think of it like this. take your hand out in-front of you, and basically draw a U shape with the hand, this is basically what the foot is doing, a constant back and forth U shape, but without as much upward motion, but with a little bit, so sort of like a bracket ( < that shape ( but on it's side. the lateral motion moves the weight of the leg off the pedal, allowing it to rebound, then the heel moves into the center, and the weight and power of the leg is over the pedal and it drives the beater into the head.
it's not really that important, but i think people would understand it better if it was explained this way^
all of your content is amazing btw, it's taught me a lot, i don't swivel, but i JUST learned to play the pedal with just my ankle and not the leg, only my right foot though. i've never gone faster than 150bpm until the last few months. thx!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
agreed - many youtube drummers think that b/c they are good players, that they are good teachers, and just sound like "uhhh so yeah you go back and forth and it kind of comes naturally when you go fast"
Thanks man, that was exactly the explanation I was looking for! I didn't understand what really makes the pedal move up & down but your explanation makes perfect sense now, and helps me greatly to get this technique down .
I play drums for almost 25 years. I have been practise playing a twinpedal for about 6 years. But (like so many else) was never be able to play it well in a way like, in step, stability etc. But when I start to watching to these videos from James Payne....He explains it (the motion) very well, I started to make a lot of progress. I can't do the swivel technique yet....but it's a matter of time.Keep it up james!!
It’s been 11 months. Can you do it now?
its been 2 years
3 years. Got it yet?
Thanks a lot man for this lesson...it's really help me to understand the concept of the swivel technique in deep.
Please do more videos like this...well now it's time to practice...
Glad to hear that man!
Not only i.love your drumming also this videos that going to help many of us with your ideas and techniques.Thanks a lot James!!Cheers from Texas
This was helpful as hell! Thanks man
Best explanation. Thanks a lot!
you won a new suscriber!! does anyone know what kind of practice pads is he using?
gibraltar
Perfect instructor. Impressive★★
Ciao james,hai mai fatto un video sul settaggio del pedale?se non lo hai fatto,pensi di farlo?o mi puoi dire che tipo di settaggio usi (inclinazione,piastra, tiraggio delle molle,etc)? Grazie
Yo james. Thank you for this. I'm starting to look into swivel, as I've noticed my feet naturally do it when I near 190bpm.
Just wanted to clarify something from your video: you mention not putting pressure through the pedals - that's cool, but does this mean your hip flexors are holding your legs up whilst doing swivel?
Cool man. Thanks so much.
J
Imagine you play heel toe then transfer to swivel on one pedal for fast Jon Bonham style stuff just amazing 😉 good lord love this
What can you say about thomas lang...?
James.?
That is a beast in what he does! :)
This is the first time I’ve heard of this, pretty cool. Can this be used with single petal technique? Are there programmers out there who do it with single pedal technique? If so who?
You definitely can. Part of my practice is to swivel with an individual foot.
Thanks a lott james
Hey James, nice video! Could you help me understand what you mean by playing without the spring vs. playing with the spring? I wasn't really able to understand because in the examples afterwards it seemed about the same, but I want to make sure I understand so I can practice correctly! :D
Hey! Basically practicing with the spring means having the spring on as it usually is, instead without the spring is literally taking the spring off and just work with the pad rebound.
Hey James where can I sign up for online lessons with you?
Hey man, from my website at this link: jamespaynedrums.com/
OK what time zone are you in? I wanna book my first lesson but I Live in Colorado so my time will probably be different then yours lol
How long it took to you to get control of the swivel technique?
Around 6 months from the moment I understood how to do it correctly!
I can do this fine with individual feet but when i go to do them together and sync them up i always get lost. Its always jerky and feels unnatural. Any tips on how to correct this?
There could be many reasons, it's difficult for me to tell without watching what's happening, but I suggest you to check your balance, since it's not a motion problem if you can do the swivel individually. If I would see what you do I could give a more specific tip for sure tho
Ok how can i send you a video explaining my issues and how to correct them?
5:21 That's exactly how I feel sometimes, haha.
Ahah! I say those things because I felt them all! Sooo frustrating sometimes ahah
How much time will it take to learn it
It depends, the more concentration you'll put in learning this the less time it'll take, just remember that is about in how much your brain will pick up the motions and control your muscles, not about your leg muscles only, so concentration is what makes the difference
Tutto molto interessante, ma mai una volta in italiano però..
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looks so easy but it's not :(
True, but check also the other video that I did on the Swivel, which is more in deplth on how to develop the motion from scratch!
Thanks a lott james