Why Aren't Men Getting Married? | Doug Wilson
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- Опубліковано 5 кві 2023
- Doug Wilson reacts to a video of Michael Knowles on the Whatever podcast discussing why men aren't getting married.
Doug Reacts is a reaction video series presented by Canon Press.
I got divorced in California. She filed when I lost my job after 6 years of marriage. The divorce cost me 75% of my assets. She then made it hard for me to see my son. The courts were of no help. Most of today's women aren't worth marriage.
The courts are hell bent on separating you from your spouse and kids, they have made it an industry. The women get vindictive revenge and poison the kids’ ears, and the court makes out as legal bandits
Does your 75% asset enough to pay a surrogant mother？what makes you think you should deserve a son for free?
His seed is still his biologically
@@Alimi-vs5zrDoesn't the son deserve a father, especially one that wants to see him?
@@joshuajarod1909 just because a father wants to see their son does not mean it would be safe or beneficial for the son to see them
I met both of my ex-wives at church. The first one threatened to kill me in my sleep and the second one divorced me after 27 years of marriage because she “wasn’t happy“. Both of them are faithful Christians who go to church every Sunday.
I understand brother. Ex wife filled for divorce as well and is a minister.
@@lamontsanders3907 Holy cow. Reminds me of a friend whose wife divorced him and then she became a minister. The world has gone mad.
@@segurosincero4057 Feminism has bought and paid for the American church. It’s teaching our women that they’re leaders of men, telling prostitutes that they can have a godly man without any work within themselves. Pastors getting away with extramarital affairs as well as women. They’re telling the men to submit to their wives, allow her to lead and spreading fear amongst our women with “Abuse” the classic word of a feminist. As I recall feminist in the past hated the church and now they’re joining hands for some reason. Men are taught to except sexless marriages (even if she commits adultery) while they tell the woman to leave if she “Abused”. The American church holds all men accountable for everything but never holds the women accountable period. The blame the men and shame them for everything but excuse the women’s behavior and responsibility in marriage. A man has to do what’s best for his family but a woman has to do what’s best for her. They made Jesus into an ideal that fits the narrative of a modern feminized man. While women in the church are having a ball with empowerment the women from the rest of the world are getting married by American men. Somehow a woman submission to her man is now a grey area, the rest of the non western world somehow got it right. I truly do want my ex wife back. Unfortunately with all the so called saved women in the church that’s in her ear, it’s almost impossible for that to happen.
Christian and muslim men are among the easiest prey and they never believe their "religious" wife would leave them, pure born suckers
Did she address why she wasn’t happy? If so, what was it?
Marriage is no longer till death do us part.
It is now till she says
“I’m not happy”
Advice to every married man.. know how to get your woman off. Know exactly how to get her off and constantly get her off even if she "isn't in the mood". Works like a charm most of the time
This temporary life isn’t about being “happy”
It’s about redemption and earning our way back into paradise.
She wants to be happy? She can earn it by faith and good works.
It should be till ''divorce do us part''.
And how often do you meet a happy woman who stays that way? It's a wonder divorce rates aren't even higher.
@@brerpossum You never meet a woman that stays happy.
My brother’s ex-wife cheated on him because she was bored in the marriage. She divorced him, got the house and my brother has to pay child support and can only see his kids 4 days a month.
I don’t blame men for boycotting marriage. The laws need to change because women are incentivized to divorce at men’s expense.
He get any paternity tests?
That's the problem. Who knows what will happen in 20 years? Society tells women that if they are not happy then they can do whatever they want. And the courts support them. The numbers don't lie. men are rolling the dice and the odds are against them.
BOYCOTT getting married or causing anyone to get PREGNANT. You should see the pig @aallen on the Comment above this Comment. That is the type of pure evil creature that would happily see a child and father destroyed when a woman decides for any reason she is done using the man and could care less if the child or father see each other.
Women in general aren't incentives to do that, there is an incentive to divorce. That's not the same thing
Best way to try and contradict that is saying after she starts the divorce the lawyer indirectly incentivizes her to to bleed the guy dry because the lawyer gets a cut. That's not what ppl mean when they say that though unless they know what they're talking about, which in general ppl don't lol
@@doughooper9918 men are very much beginning to wise up about the nature of the courts. Something like 30% of men under 30 have responded to questionnaires that they have no interest in ever getting married. Another 30-40% have said that they may decide to get married at some point but have no desire to do so based on their current outlook.
I'm glad that Mr. Knowles has a happy marriage. I married a very pious Christian woman who divorced me without any moral compunction at all. She even said very flippantly that "God will forgive me." There are women out there that worship happiness over God's law.
Pretty much all women worship happiness over God's law. It's not popular to say that either with secular society that is influenced by feminism or with Christian society that puts women up on a pedestal of virtue and purity. But it happens to be the truth. Women are naturally evolved to manipulate men, not to love them. 80% of divorces are initiated women and the #1 reason is financial difficulties - IE they want a man who can give them more money.
Women need men to protect and provide for them when they are caring for offspring. From Genesis up to the present, women who are able to successfully manipulate men into supporting them are more likely to pass their traits and behaviors along to offspring than women who aren't. Women who spend their time safely protected by a man taking on any risks to her are more likely to pass their traits and behaviors along to offspring than women who don't. Women who are able to easily shift their loyalty away from their previous mate who died in war or hunting and over to a new man are more likely to pass their traits and behaviors along to offspring than women who aren't.
Regardless of how much it upsets feminists and Christian fundamentalists, the notion of the selfless virtuous woman is a fantasy. In virtually all ways, a selfish woman who uses men without caring about them will be more likely to influence the next generation. And we do, in fact, see what we would expect to see in the data as a result of this. Status and security consistently top the list of what women are attracted to, women consistently show an in-group bias favoring other women, and they are consistently higher scoring in neuroticism than men.
In the past, a woman's need to keep a man happy enough that he stayed willing to sacrifice himself for her kept her worst instincts tamped down. Since the rise of feminism, though, society has been removing that check on women's tendencies with family courts heavily favoring them. At the same time, society has been playing on that neuroticism with a decades-long trend of ever-increasing feminist narratives of how stunning and brave women are and how men are trash, and spinning endless tales of victimhood.
The end result is that American womanhood is in the gutter, but it is politically incorrect to say anything negative about women, so the problems never get addressed.
I’ve seen similar happen with people that professed faith in God. I wish you good health and healing
Basically all western women out there worship their feelings not God’s law.
Women don't feel attraction the way men do. Just because she goes to church doesn't mean she's attracted to you
Christian men often get the worse end of the stick because Christian women are given a free pass in almost every way by pastors and counselors. If marriages are struggling, the men are always blamed. If the men have needs and the women are being selfish, the men are blamed. Almost no pastors these days will preach a sermon on "wives, submit to your husbands". Almost no Christian women actually view the man as the federal head of the household. Therefore, if the woman isn't getting her way 100% of the time, the man is blamed and the woman gives herself permission to do whatever she wants. Women are given permission to be this way.
Men don’t want to get married because marriage doesn’t mean anything anymore. It’s like signing yourself up to be open to having your life savings stripped from you at any moment.
Not only that, how many women TRULY make your life better or easier? Marriage to me only matters if you want kids...but if you want kids you also need to have a good wife that agree with your values and you can trust (which is also a very hard task)
@@ricardokojin7 lol exactly, even if the laws did change drastically, we still have a terrible selection of women to choose from. Most are the opposite of having peace of mind. Fuck that, were out.
I would have to agree
@@johnfisher8401 Exactly, but having better marriage laws despite the terrible selection is still a step-up.
This state of affairs in the west is a result of men turning away from God which is their only real source of strength and guidance who in turn are to guide the wife and children. The serpent went after the woman first (the mother of us all) because she is the weaker vessel, and from there the man (the father of us all) fell. Today those who control the media and pop culture have led the attack and if you know the book of Acts it reveals who and how, and as Christ and the apostles said, it would only get worse. My latest vid on the AC kingdom goes deeper.
I was divorced in California. Wife moved to Utah and took out son with her. We had a court ordered custody that was split down the middle, she had him for the school year, I got him on summers and holidays, thus no child support order. Two years in, the guy she left me for became an abusive drug addict, and she fell on hard times financially. I was unaware of this. She had also developed anxiety regarding sending our boy back and forth via plane during the summers and holidays. So she concocted a plan, I suspect she had help, and fed me a story that our boy had passed away. I was stupid, and didn't imagine anyone would ever lie about such a thing. I fell into a depression for a year and a half, and just as I was pulling out of that, I was thrust into an entirely new and dare I say far worse emotional rollercoaster when a friend of mine called me after spotting her with the boy. I spent some time acquiring legal representation(which was hard, because I was not well off and many lawyers declined due to doubts over my chances of success), and once I had a lawyer I filed for full custody based on the idea that anyone willing to lie to a parent about their child passing away is a liability to that child and not safe to allow them continued custody. Needless to say, she was not happy about this, big shocker, and called me to tell me I can't have the boy. I told her watch me. She proceeded to explain that I could not have him because he wasnt' mine. I wasn't about to believe a word she said at this point, so as expected the court ordered a paternity test. Turns out it's the only thing she's ever told me that I can verify is true. In a wholely unexpected turn of events, the courts granted her request that instead of saddling me with the role of parental guardian as is the courts usual default given I was the only one to take on the responsibilities of being a father to that boy for his entire five years of life at this point, they stripped me of all my rights, and explained that any further contact with the boy would be strictly at her discretion. As you can imagine, Ive not seen or spoken to the boy since. Despite my having tried. When I asked her in one of our last conversations over the phone why she did this to begin with, what was her motive for telling me he had passed in the first place, she replied that everytime she sent him on a plane to me, she feared it would be the last time she'd see him, convinced I would eventually run away with the boy, and thus "I felt I had to do it to you first, before you did it to me.".After this, I was slapped with a $47,000 bill by DHHS for debt accrued by her via welfare programs that I was told I, being her husband at the time, owed. So we'll after our divorce, I continued to fight against the state attempting to steal money from me for a marriage I was no longer in, over welfare debt accrued to care for a child that wasn't mine and who I had no custody for. I would spend nearly 15 years fighting that, tooth and nail, to the point of living my life like I was on the lam, an outlaw, taking under the table jobs, and changing jobs and residence whenever uncle Sam would catch up to me and begin to send me bills or attempt to garnish my wages. The case was finally resolved last year. I'm now 44, and only now feel as if my life is my own, and I'm able to begin living normally. I am well behind in terms of financial stability and established work history. Due to my stubborn d decision to duck and dodge uncle Sam since I had no other recourse to stop him from stealing from me, I lost out on focusing on establishing a career or working diligently at a single company slowly working my way up the ranks. I have my pride and my principles at the end of the day, but I am starting life now where most people do in their early 20's. I'll never get that time back. I'll never get the money they did get from me back, and worst of all, I'll never see the boy I raised ever again. To say that marriage is a risk is an understatement. I take every opportunity I get to scare every man I can out of the idea of marriage.
Wow man…thank you for telling your story. Praying that you’re able to turn your life around. God bless you.
Wow.
Unbelievable. Please keep telling your story.
You're a more tempered man than me, I would have taken a much more violent approach to a lot of people a lot sooner. Needless to say, you can either love women or understand them, never both.
@@portraitofman2063 As one who did the procedure, do it. The "I'm pregnant, I'm not pregnant...I'm thinking of getting an abortion" is draining on so many levels. And you'll be surprised at how many women will tell you that they just want a child but no marriage. Single and childless I will stay. And don't let no one shame you with the BS line: what about your legacy.
35 yo software engineer. I stepped out of dating about 7 years ago. It was clear then that society was progressing in a direction I couldn’t be part of. Now other than sex, which is not a personal driver, I have no reason to interact with a woman. I can cook and clean better than 99% of them and in less time and with less complaining.
AMEN🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Its sad that women nowadays will proudly tell you they can't cook.
Same for me! 130k a year income, very little debt, 44 now. O bucks given for women
Man, I'm in the same situation 38. And feel no more wanting to try to interact whith them. I'm financially successful. But sometimes I keep asking myself if something is wrong with.
I’M KEEPING EVERYTHING FOR MYSELF
The dating period has to be the most incredibly scrutinizing period of someone’s life. The popularity of men opting out marriage isn’t necessarily because they believe it will grant them more freedom, but that it will save them from more pain.
Same with women in different ways. I see so many men with no respect or values towards women today. But God will never forsake
@@happy777abc To be fair, most women aren't respectable these days and so I wouldn't use that as a reason for them not getting married. Respect is earned, not implied. Let's use a biblical litmus test for respectability in young women:
- is she a virgin?
- does she already have children and isn't a widow?
- does she still live under her parents authority (specifically the father)?
- does she do good works according to the Bible's definition of a good work?
- does she know anything about scripture?
Then we can use extras if we really want to sort out to 99.9999% of women. For example, if her father asks her to wear a head covering to show her submission to her husband/father in view of the angels is her response, "REEEEEEE!" because let's be honest, just getting discipline in the churches for evident adultery/fornication (i.e. pregnancy outside of wedlock) is impossible.
The response to the Bible of a truly saved Christian should be, 'What does the Bible say?' It makes people say, 'I've done wrong'. Yet the response I see when I walk into most churches is, 'God, you are wrong' and with most people, 'God, you are wrong'. I could go further (i.e. break down of Numbers 30 in the 70s etc) but really it's only to women's own harm that they break down the Biblical rules as the prophet says, 'Yet you have not listened to me, says the Lord, that you might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands TO YOUR OWN HURT.'
I'm 68 and never been married. You need to turn to God for companionship. Single people obviously 🙄sin more sexualy,(thoughts), but God gives forgiveness for that if you repent.
True I'll never marry under state rules again. I moved to a state that adheres to relationship contracts.
@@jeremystonell690 have to nitpick here, e.g pregnancy
Hey Doug, thank you for your insights on this and reacting to my video! -Brian (guy in the video)
Hey man, don’t ever feel shamed into getting married, even by those who might seem like they have you’re best interests at heart. Also, keep up the great work! ❤
It's good to find the right woman. She's worth waiting for.
Not where I'd expect to see a response, but glad to see it!
Stay strong and avoid marriage in western hemisphere.
Divorce is worse than death if you can't handle it.
Ah, you're the one that doesn't pronounce the letter "t", what's going on with your generation?? Certain, not cerdain.
That “ who hurt you “ line triggered abusive instincts In me I didn’t know I had 😂
Pissed me off too. Dumb bitches. They only care about themselves, they can't put themselves in a man's shoe's for a single second.
They are children
It's just typical shaming language women use to manipulate.
It just means you've made an irrefutable point and they're too dim to deal with it like an adult.
"skanks like you " is the appropriate answer :)
Im a single 40 year old Christian man. The amount of worldliness I have seen in Christian women is astounding. There are not very many women out there who are wife material. And rarely will you find a church that will call out women's sinful behavior. Its almost as if men are seen as this broken and sinful wreck who can barely make it into heaven. And women are these pure beings that have to put up with men.
Finally someone else says it. The amount of non-christians who romanticize women in the church (while ironically having zero desire to become christians themselves) is mind boggling
Exactly the abrahimic religion is slavery and made men attached to females .
Yup. Another reason why the church is dying.
Pastors know that women run the church. They won't say anything that pisses them off, because they know how women respond with reputation destruction, which is the death of a Pastor's career.
Plus, the men don't stand up to their wives to support the Pastor.
It's a joke for men on the outside looking in, and I'm one who was raised in church, left, and now looking in.
33 year old christian man here, and while I am to blame for much of my life's problems, I will also say I see many women I believe to be true believers, who still subscribe to some form of feminist doctrine... how can a man who believes in the teachings of Christ, possibly be attracted to women who pick and choose what is accepted teaching or not?
I have long since stopped attending churches and resigned myself to reading the Bible and discussing biblical concerns with family to the best of our ability. Not entirely sure what to do in regards to marriage, but I suppose we must learn to be content in Christ no matter what happens. Much easier said than done though
This state of affairs in the west is a result of men turning away from God which is their only real source of strength and guidance who in turn are to guide the wife and children. The serpent went after the woman first (the mother of us all) because she is the weaker vessel, and from there the man (the father of us all) fell. Today those who control the media and pop culture have led the attack and if you know the book of Acts it reveals who and how, and as Christ and the apostles said, it would only get worse. My latest vid on the AC kingdom goes deeper.
My pastor's son married a Christian woman. They were both very involved in their local churches. After two years, she walked out with his baby because he worked too much (first year in a new job). She returned to her old church the very next week and occupied her old pew. No one said anything.
So common. I've seen that happen. I've seen churches kick the man out of church. It's horrific.
No "Christian" does such a thing.
@@Yesica1993 christians are not immune to sin. We fall to temptations and sometimes do horrendous things.
What we do however is forgive, love and hope. we encourage each other and suffer with each other. We repent and confess our sin.
@@Yesica1993I hear you
Yeah I doubt him working too much was the real reason she left suddenly lol.
How can women be so oblivious to the pain men face? I honestly think feminism has done immeasurable damage to our society. By the way I am a happily married grandmother.
Yes I think that is the root of it: feminism. If I wanted to destabilize a society there's probably no more effective way than to convince half of them that the other half is their enemy. The old "divide and conquer". I used to call feminism "mind poison", but I saw someone call it "soul poison" and that sounds more accurate.
As I read through the comments, I see many men despairing of finding a wife who will be true to them, and lamenting the general state of women in our society. I don't disagree but I think it's important to be clearly against the poison, not the poisoned. I think if there's enough goodwill, a couple can help purge each other of the bad ideas they've picked up over time.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Women aren’t built to really care about men’s problems. Women are hardwired to be the vulnerable ones in need of assistance. When you combine that nature with programming from feminists that men being men is a problem, you get the most heartless people in history, frankly. It worked fine the old way when women were feminine and the roles were defined and everyone had their pros and cons. Now everything is in complete disarray
Because our culture tells men to take it and shut up. What our culture does to men is horrible. And it’s been like that for a LONG time even before all this feminism crap.
Their brains are damaged by the hormonal birth control.
Because they are sold the idea that they are the ones that are oppressed. Many believe it. When that's the case how can you possibly feel sorry for your oppressor?
A coworker of mine related the story of a man who married a solid Christian woman who, after only a few years, divorced him. Her congregation help remove all of the possessions in his house, while singing Bringing in the Sheaves. Not far from where I currently live, a guy came came home early to find his wife in bed with the Pastor. He held them both there, in bed and staring down the business end of a shotgun, until her mother had time to arrive at the scene.
My question: How many of these incidents would an otherwise intelligent man need to be aware of before he writes the institution of marriage off as a fool's errand?
any time valid questions are raised, they shoot it down with "But scripture says xyz!!!!" they're completely unwilling to look at reality. Like liberals with diversity. Women don't like men that much whether christian or not.
I agreed. Its sad that men are still desparately holding on to the idea. There is a sadistic side to men. Self inflicted pain
Men of power will wield that power if they have no moral compass
Men of god are as disgusting as "sinners" they call and even worse, they put themselves on pedestal by claiming their dogsht faith and "morality" while being still wild beasts and barbarians because that's all we are. Sinners are at least honest and in your face with it bringing more authenticity while men of god are twisted and deceitful ppl hiding behind faith.
No faith in humanity. I'm a misanthrope.
@@dukewilliam3660 Barbarossa talked about this, how men are the architects of our own misfortune.
As a 24 y/o I’m avoiding a life destroying divorce that my father went through and caused me to grow up from 12 onward without his guidance. No fault divorce people.
Feeling pain of your father
If you don't mind me asking....what caused the divorce and how are you now?
Women initiate over 70% of divorces and it rises to 90% when they're college educated. I met my ex in Church, she walked away with no qualms. Another ex had 0 qualms cheating and then nuking the relationship. Both Medical Doctors and highly accomplished. As Women rise in socio-economic status so do their demands for control and absolute happiness/fulfillment at all times.
Did u atleast get something out of them? They probably made bank. I dated an RN/admin who made prety great money..atleast compared to my lifestyle...she called my income chump change..it forever changed my mind about her. It did so because she initially asked me if her making more money was a problem for me...I said no you're a strong as your weakest link...her ex made less than her and they got married so I figured my income at that moment wouldn't be such a big deal. Well I got some extra jobs to keep up..working 80+ hours a week while going to school and it's like the closer I get to nursing school the worse it gets...because she thinks I'll have no need for her lol. They definitely change when they have money...the pendulum swings though so I don't know why they do. She's on disability now and I'm make 80-90k not exactly life goal status yet but I make more than she does...I think she's going to be eating her words soon, lol.
So you didn’t learn the 1st time ? 🤔
@@jeffkeenan5059 yep, my bad
I would surmise that you were probably the problem in both relationships, and you seem like the type of person that never admits when they are wrong, and is proud of being ignorant, as shown by the misleading statistic you just quoted and the ridiculous evaluation you provided. I would also guess that you did not have other things that would be able to make the women look past this possible character flaw of yours.
@Romans 1:28 If you want a trad wife, then you don't think women should be breadwinners, but you also want to tell women off if they marry for bread?!
P.S. If you think men aren't emotional and prone to flipping out, check back in when their team wins / loses!
In 1969, at age 19, I observed the PLAGUE of divorce taking place and resolved never to get married or have children. Just not worth the risk of social and financial disaster for men.
Now, at age 73 --- BEST DECISION EVER!
not having kids is the best decision ever?
@@nattykadifa2856
Yes --- for men.
Men have lots of things we can do with our lives. For example, the most rewarding part of my life was a 37 year "career" as a volunteer leader for the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, from 1981-2018.
Unfortunately, in 2018, feminists ruined Scouting by getting girls admitted to all parts of Scouting. My aim as a volunteer was to provide the best program for boys that I could tailored to the needs and interests of boys. Now Scouting will be tailored to meeting the needs and interests of girls, instead. That began by eliminating the 110 year old proud name of the Boy Scouts. More to come, no doubt.
But time for me to get out.
I thought in those times divorce wasn't as common?
@@oscarperez5539 no fault divorce was being passed in most states.
You don’t miss what you never had!!!
“Marry a woman that’s not going to get divorced” lmfao
These people present themselves as intellectuals but make such childish statements, don't they?
Traditional Conservatives talk out of both sides of thier mouth. First they want Government out of their lives, then they tell men to sign a life long contract with the Government when it comes to their personal lives.
Yeah, real smart there, gentlemen. You can't have both....
Every guy who ever got married thought his wife wouldn't divorce him. Then he found out.
I wouldn't wish it on him, but statements like that almost make me hope his wife leaves him so someone can say his words back to him.
I think he means Christian who truly believe in it and wouldn't get divorced no matter what.
1:25 I’m the opposite. My wife passed away after a blessed 30 year marriage. We were happy, had two beautiful kids. We didn’t have work to have a happy marriage. It came naturally.
I miss her everyday.
My condolences.
My wife left me after 20+ years and 3 children, I pretend she died, which she did, the woman now walking around is not the woman I married 😢
These girls seem so perplexed that a man is hesitant about entering a contract that only benefits her lol
This is why women were kept out of politics. They only deliberate about what is good for themselves in the moment and care nothing about what is good for all individuals,
families, communities and nations and how these interact with each other. We are evolving into ape-like creatures without the guidance of good philosophy and religion.
Stand your ground guys, You’ll be a lot more successful in all your endeavors
My wife walked out of our marriage. She was the one that left, not me. For a time she blamed me using ever trivial reason she could think of, but then in time became more honest and let me know that it was because of her own selfish interests that caused her to put our marriage low on her priority list in life. Of course I didn't need her to tell me this. I could see it clearly as it was happening. It was nice that she could be honest about it, but that honesty changed nothing.
There are of course instances where a man will initiate divorce, but as stated it's mostly the women who want it. Men and women are wired differently, and she'll go to the altar and swear, commit her loyalty to marriage, and she'll mean it at the time. What happens is that she will change her mind later. It's true that the Family court will favor the women over the men if for no other reason than due to financial concerns. When deciding whether the woman, the single mom will be a financial ward of the state, or a financial burden to the ex-husband it's an easy choice for them to make.
@BraisedRotisserie If you look at the marriage vows you'll see that both the woman and the man agree to stay committed to the marriage 'for better or for worse'.
It's easy to blame the man for the women 'emotionally checking out', but in the end, she's the one who walks out, the one who asks for the divorce rather than being a loyal committed wife.
Very few women see their own role in the situation and blame the man for HER failure. It takes a mature minded woman to see herself as she is. So many believe the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Bottom line, she changes her mind about the marriage.
@BraisedRotisserie
But why have women "checked out?"
I suggest that comes from hiding the masculine personality they have been trained in by feminists in order to get married.
Eventually, that becomes burdensome and that is what produces the "checking out" phenomena.
There really isn't much men can do about that. Both the man and the woman have been lied to ---- the man has been sold the idea of a feminine woman, and that is a lie. The woman has lied to herself.
A feminine woman and a man are like a nut and a bolt.
A masculine woman and a man are like two bolts. Why be surprised when a divorce occurs?
@@SeattlePioneer You’re spreading some kind of mad conspiracy that specific feminists are coaching women to be so masculine that men can’t be married to them? What pure nonsense!!
Good point. I have never thought about the reason why the state always favors women in their judgment. I have always assumed it was just a combination of hatred toward men and pandering toward women for their votes.
A lot of those women in church use it as a way to find a “good man” after theyve spent the previous decade, 18-28 years old, getting up to all kinds of things that make men not want to marry them. Ive seen it with my own eyes.
Yep basically all single moms in the church
And with whom were they, "getting up to all kinds of things that make men not want to marry them"? I'll wait.
@@Yesica1993worldly men.
I am pastor’s son and am aged 26 plus still a virgin. I am not hopeless but I’ve always wanted to have a strong family and godly wife. That’s why I made a decision to save myself to increase the odds of bonding with my wife and lessen the chances of infidelity. Most importantly it’s God’s will to stay out sex before marriage.
It was 3 years ago that I realized that I was duped. Most girls in church have slept with a lot of men. They use forgiveness, love and other buzz words to guilt trip a good man into a relationship.
This is really frustrating on my part because it is like I just wasted my time. It really sucks and I don’t know how to deal with this.
There really is no point in waiting if anyone can sleep around and claim “forgiven.” How special is the marriage at that point?
@@alltruth881 In a way no one asked u to be a virgin, so you can't blame anyone but yourself. and there are still virgins in church. maybe u haven't met them, or u go to the wrong church.
@@alltruth881 There's been too much "forgiveness" and not enough punishment for real bad behavior. You and I don't come from the same background at all, but we face the same realizations about life in the world.
I'm a restorer of classic cars by trade. Caught last girlfriend telling someone "We did this," and, on the spot, corrected her by asking "What part did you clean, paint, purchase, or bolt on to this car?"
Her answer was that she was "Invested" in the project by her sacrifices of bringing food to the shop, or having to wait for me to get home, exhausted.
I knew at that moment that I would lose the cars, shop, parts, tools, etc that I had earned over the years if I spent 1 more day with this fraud.
Pink slipped her after the Concours.
Lol brutal 😂😂😂
Dammm boy 😂😂😂
Similar experiences with girlfriends taking "ownership" of my stuff, my house, etc. They got the boot quickly.
I'm in my 50s and almost every guy I know is divorced. And the claims of using a prenup are dubious. I've heard that courts often throw prenups out claiming that it was signed under duress. Men are screwed by the justice system so why get married. Marriage is going the way of the dodo...
@@SeattlePioneer I agree, but I've heard anecdotes about courts throwing out prenups for this reason. That's why I would get a real good lawyer to draw up the agreement.
Even if it was valid now... more and more laws keep getting passed in favor of a specific gender only... what insurance you have that won't get even worse?
@@gergster6899 Oh sure ---prenups are a completely unreliable means for men to protect themselves.
I was discussing what duress actually is, not the sexual privilege courts are inventing and enforcing.
@@ricardokojin7
Most men who want to marry and have a family want a traditional wife who fills in the wife duties. Cook .. cleans.. etc.. Majority of modern women don’t want to fulfill those duties. The shortest engagements I’ve ever witnessed all had one thing in common… the woman loved to cook and bake
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 that is reality. They want reality. It’s not reality that the wife is a career boss and the man also, just literally doesn’t work, and the man isn’t designed to nurture children.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 I struck a nerve talking about what men like
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 Many are and that is why the marriage rate is in free fall )
I would love the honor of fulfilling those duties for a husband. Unfortunately, all of the men in my church are too young or married. I didn’t come to faith in Christ until I was 31. I’m 33 now. The only men interested in me now are unbelievers.
@@kristen8329 never change that about yourself. You will find the right man in due time.. I’ve served in the military and currently work in the trades.. guys I know love it when their girl/wife cooks for them.. never ever have I heard a real man say “I don’t want a girl to cook for me”
I married a fellow member of my church. Both very active in church activities and faithful. She was abusive and thankfully I didn’t have much to lose at the time but she did lay the foundation to take the house, my son, and my self esteem.
I'm so sorry man.
Lmao I love how their reaction is to bully him into accepting marriage like that is gonna change his mind
The answer is simple: you don't sign a contract with someone who will be rewarded for breaking it and thus has every incentive to do so.
Sure you might not get taken to the cleaners and cut off from your children, but ultimately it's not your call whether or not those things happen to you. She has all the legal power in the relationship.
You might as well be asking "Why aren't men playing Russian roulette with five loaded chambers?"
She has the same legal power as you in the relationship? What legal powers do wives have that husbands don't??
@A Allen Don't play stupid, it's very easy to see cold hard statistics regarding alimony payments and child custody. You're being purposefully ignorant to avoid addressing the issue, stop it now.
@@aallen5256 You are either ignorant or misinformed because it's forever been a running joke that the court tears men apart limb from limb. Kids, alimony, child support, drastically negatively impact men
@@aallen5256 Examples: (i) something like 90% of alimony payments go from men to women, (ii) women are often allowed to keep the children, even in cases where they clearly aren't fit to take care of them (e.g. in case of alcoholism or drug abuse)
Your first statement is what I consider dogma: This is absolute truth today..
I didn't expect Doug Wilson to take this view. Thank you for acknowledging the horrible problem men face with government cruelty to men and from modern feminist women.
Same. I like this guy more and more.
'Why not marry a woman who's not gonna get divorced?'...We all think we're marrying a woman who's not gonna get divorced. Most of us are wrong. This is like asking 'why not buy a car that will never be in a wreck?'
I am going to chime in on this. First, I am a very devout Christian. I am in my 50s now, Never married, and got the whole too short, your too nice and sweet garbage all my life. The one woman I loved and was going to marry, God took her away from me. Was I mad no, I accepted and moved on. For 15 years, I took care of my mother due to the accident that took my dad, who was a pastor. Now all I ever asked God for was enough money to take care of my mother, And I was blessed with more money than I can dream of. I did what I told my older brothers I would do, and I took care of my mother till she passed away. But now, at my age and seeing my Brothers now with Grand Kids I am no longer even thinking of getting married or looking for a girlfriend. As for good Christian girls, in the singles group at church, I was part of for one year, I was the only guy in it. Every girl in it was Divorced with children. All they did was complain. I left that group. So this notion about good Christian girls, good luck if you can find a real Christan girl in my age group. There are none.
We are WOMEN in your age group, sir ... that may be why you can't find a good Christian girl... from a devout Christian woman about 10-15 years younger ... in devoted service to the Lord, aging parents, and community. The Lord also took the man I loved ... I moved on ... but I don't join singles groups, because GENERALLY, what happens is that people get together and do what immature people do when they have nothing better to do ... complain. The MATURE WOMEN your age are out in the community doing the work the Lord has called them to. You were wise to leave that group ... but a "girl" is always going to be immature. She's a GIRL. In your age group, you need the Lord to show you a WOMAN, mature in Him. We exist. We're just not where you would expect to find us, gossiping with "the girls."
I’d like to add something to this that doesn’t get brought up: for years we all demonized men who didn’t make child support payments. Some towns even put their picture in news papers. I was one of the accusers. That is until I had a friend whose exe was on drugs, and that’s where the money was going. The judge put the kids in her possession even though she was methed out. That’s how much the legal system is against men. I even heard a story out of Texas recently where the father refuses to pay because the mother wants to start trans procedures. And I’ve have other friends since who this has also happened to.
So before you go pointing that finger, you should know the whole story.
Child support has always been about male enslavement and the redistribution of resources/labor from men to women. Children are just used as tools to do this.
@@greenghost6416 No. Child support is about making regular financial contributions to the everyday living costs of raising a child. Women can be required to pay it too, and many do.
@@aallen5256 No. This is incorrect.
@@greenghost6416 go on..?
Confirmation bias is a real thing. You brought up good points that this discussion is apparently blind to.
Men, don't marry a woman unless you are prepared to lose everything. If she leaves always remember, when you are at your lowest, God can give you strength to carry on.
Plus, this life isnt all that there is. If we lose everything in this life, there is so much more to gain in the New Heavens and Earth
@@ralfbo685 who wants to live again. The concept of heaven is ridiculous I don’t want to live this life let alone live forever
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 Statistics show us that nearly 80% of divorces are initiated by the woman. And when asked, only a small number claim abuse or infidelity. Women leave men when someone wealthier comes along or when they want to go play the field.
@Sterling Falls Productions that's no guarantee. Women these days will just leave because they're bored
@@ragebait988 do you like pleasure, do you like relationship, do you like fulfilling work? This life sucks because of all the bad and negative. A life without all that would be worth living forever in.
Marriage for a man is like playing a game of Black Jack knowing that the deck is stacked against you, or playing a football game and the opposing team starts the game with a 4 touchdown lead.
I gave up on marriage is
1. Feminism
2. Online dating sites
3. No financial enough
4. Lost faith
5. rigged court system. Tiktok and OF have made it 10x worse.
Fortunately I got married 42 years ago when women were still woman. We now have two daughters that were home schooled and Christian so I’m very thankful for that. If I were a young man today, my list would be very short for available candidates that could meet my requirements for a wife.
Yup....
I think it's eaarly access to the internet that's poisoning people's minds. I notice that my values are very different than those around me because I never had the internet growing up
What are your requirements?
Women never changed....Oscar Wilde was writing about women's ways in the 1800's. Men let their pimp hand go soft.
On behalf of everyone who has to pick up the mess you sat around and allowed to get made, thanks for nothing.
Every woman just dismissed him. They’re all sitting there, probably single themselves, somehow believing that they will eventually find love and get married someday and totally brushing aside the fact that if they ever do they will have the advantage over their own husband in a dispute. Those same women would probably never get married if the laws were old enough to only give ownership rights to the man. The hypocrisy is astounding.
Those types of girls are finding love already riding the carousel, so they will experience the same dismissal from men who still have self respect in due course.
I’m 52 and never been married. I wanted to find a wife and prayed but it never happened for whatever reason. At this point I’m not believing anymore and I’ve changed my view on some things that are taught in the church about marriage being a promise from God and God answering every prayer with a yes. I’m way past the point of starting a family and I’ve accepted that I’m going to go the rest of my journey solo.
Actually it's way more happier to go solo. Sex becomes boring after some point , paying twice a month is better than a lifetime of agony. I'm 32 and have opted for solo life.
@@xXx....... You pay for sex twice a month??
@@pmthert523 Robin Williams needs to be sainted in my opinion.
Been a Christian my whole life. I believe God answers prayers with yes, no, and not right now. I’m single myself. Always desired to be in a relationship… that is up until a few months ago. Constantly being in prayer and talking to two of my closest friends, I don’t believe I’m to be in a relationship right now or anytime soon for that matter. Pursuing my relationship with Christ and trying to become more like Him every day.
@@ethanrichardson1802 Amen.
Deus Vult.
No way I would ever get married in todays times.
What about in a traditional country with rules and punishments for divorce.
Proud to state that I got married at 19, my husband was 23 and it was the BEST decision! We will be married 7 years this summer with 3 boys. Divorce is not an option. I'm upset? I'll get over it, because the Lord will humble me and show me to listen and respect my wonderful husband. And if my husband’s wrong? The Holy Spirit will work to show him however that will be. I love the relationship my husband I have because of the way the Lord has humbled me. I see now how awful many relationships are because the woman wants to dominate and take over. I used to be of the “independent” mindset, until the Lord brought me to my knees and changed my life 180. That’s the only reason why I am the way I am today! Because it’s all Glory to God!
Edit to add: I have noticed every time that I tried to make a decision Against my husband in any emotional manner- it has come back to bite me. Every single time. I thank God for changing my behavior in this and listening to my husband for his wisdom!! My life became better once I stopped doing this. If only so many women would do the same, they’d spare themselves headaches and pain
Femininity over feminism!! Let feminism rot!
@@Garandmasthumb that makes me so happy 😂❤
My brother was married for about 20 years to a good Christian woman he met in Bible college. Then she joined a cult and left her family. So sad.
@@Aaron-mp9sy lmfao. a decision like that, makes you think was the Holy Spirit ever in her life?
Was saying “lmfao” necessary?
@@Aaron-mp9sy what kind of cult??
70 percent divorce rate. 80 percent of divorces filed by wives.
90% if the woman is college educated
70% all divorces
90% of those are college educated, 63% of total
Divorces 2022 689,300
Number degree holding women’s divorces 434,000
18 million degrees
Adult population 331.5 million x c 80%* adults is 265,000,000
6.79% of population does 90% of the divorces
18M/434000 = 1 divorce per 41.47
265M/689,300 = 1 per 384.45
Divorce per person: 0.0241 and 0.0026
College women 9.27 TIMES more likely to be divorced (divorces per person calc)
@@cosmictreason2242 do better research, a higher education level for women means lower divorce rates. 78% of women with bachelor’s degrees who married for the first time in 2006-2010 can expect their marriage to last for at least 20 years. In contrast, 49% of women with some college education and 40% of those with a high school diploma or less can expect their marriage to last for the same period.
@@aallen5256 How can you have a statistic for future events?
@@aallen5256 the facts I shared say otherwise. Yours are made up because you’re an angry atheist feminist whose conscience is pricked
Today is my 13th anniversary. Before we became engaged, my hubby and I (both believers) said divorce would not be an option. I jokingly loosely quoted Ruth Bell Graham: "I don't believe in divorce. Justifiable homicide, maybe, but not divorce." My hubby and I were ready to be married. We went through pre-marital counseling. We had different upbringings, but on every important issue from raising kids to voting, we see eye to eye. We have argued a few times (especially in the sleep-deprived moments when our kids were small), and we're certainly not perfect. But I would say we are perfectly united in Christ. As long as Christ stays the supreme authority of our marriage, I have ZERO insecurities concerning my spouse.
Unfortunately, God's law on marriage is not legally enforceable when it comes to divorce. The State has the final say in this corrupt world.
God can piss off
I’m not married because I’m more afraid of dealing with a divorce than I am excited about joining with a good woman. It’s too much of a risk not worth it not even close.
There's an endearing song by Andrew Petersen that expresses the hardships in marriage and then the verse, "that's what the promise is for", referring to standing on your vows. Whenever my wife and I have disagreements we come together remembering our vows, we submit to that and peace is made.😢
Here's a great song about marriage by Bruce Cockburn
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It's wonderful when people can do that and both husband and wife are committed. Sadly, sometimes one spouse cheats or abandons the other.
@@plushie.fans.inc.toy-reviews. this is true. But in this life we can only do our part. The risk is real. Nonetheless we hold ourselves accountable to what we promised. That is the standard of a Christ follower. We walk in our convictions before God according to Holy Scriptures despite what other do.
Those vows made in front of God and hundreds of witnesses no longer mean anything in a court of law!
Alot of modern females will rinse a husband once the relationship ends...all's fair in love & war.
There's a saying nowadays amongst some women, the first marriage is for money & the second is for love.
Before getting married one of my groomsmen paid for me to spend an hour with a good lawyer that practices family law so he could advise me on what steps I should take to ensure that I do not to get screwed in family court. This like the when you get pulled over by the police is a conversation every man needs to have especially before saying I do. Like most things in life the side that is most prepared, has the initiative and desire wins.
My 74 year old successful Christian male cousin was recently cashed in by his Christian wife of 50 years. She forced the sale of their home and cleaned him out. He now lives in a travel trailer parked under a tractor shed on his farmland. Marriages would last if judges and attorneys were not in the business of divorce. She is now burning money at Panama City Beach, Florida and quite insane.
that's some depressing shit.
@A Allen
This is good uh??
thats the most scary thing. At that point you are too old to rebuild. Divorce after 55-60 is probably the nail in the coffin.
She left after 50 years?!?! My word.
Never have children unless you want weapons used against you in family court.
Stay safe, Fellas.
Wealth and Happiness.
I'm married, but I can sympathize with the MGTOW position:
1) Hostile family courts
2) No-fault divorce
@Mono Lith Does the majority of the population live in those states?
@Monolith I did look it up. You're mistaken.
Why has no-fault divorce become the law in the states?
In an effort to reduce conflict and nasty court battles in divorce proceedings, all states allow couples to file for some form of "no-fault divorce." Some states only allow no-fault divorce, while others allow you to choose between a no-fault or fault divorce.
@Monolith I fully agree. If you're breaking a covenant, then there needs to be a good reason.
@Country Joe In the past you usually had to demonstrate one of the following: adultery, abuse or abandonment (either physical or financial). I understand that people don't like nasty court cases where your dirty laundry gets aired out for all to see, but that's not a good enough reason to turn marriage vows into meaningless words.
@monolith9832 All American states *recognize no-fault divorce.*
The men always say, "oh, it'll never happen to me. I don't need a pre-nup." And boom. One day she hands you your marriage walking papers, and then comes the divorse rape in court.
lets not pretend this happens out of nowhere
Time to pack your bags and move out of her house
These men are Charlie Browns. Their sweet Lucy will never pull the football away once they get married. But we know what will happen.
Ok, but pre nup hasn't been working for people in the US if their wife hires a lawyer.
@@someone-ji2zb Well, pre-nups do work, but can sometimes be thrown out by a judge if a woman says she was under duress while signing it or little stupid technicalities like that.
There are multiple reasons why I never got married or had kids.
The main one is that it was practically impossible to get a girlfriend. Spending years as an involuntary celibate sends a pretty clear message that you are not attractive enough to date, let alone marry.
The more women reject men, the less marriage will be proposed.
I'm 53 and in the same situation. It's like applying for a job that requires previous work experience.
Damn bro. Sorry about that.
Don't feel bad about never being married. I have a single friend who is having the last laugh over all his divorced friends. He still has his assets, his health and his sanity.
I am 26, a mechanical engineer who can dance, has a brown belt in Judo, can speak three different languages and at the same time a person who was rejected 4002 times by women, was called ugly by some women and got professional help at dating.... All women are same, believe me.
why was it impossible?
I grew up in the church. I’ve been involved and studied with and grown with many Christian’s, and after having a doubting period I learned a lot. One of the things I’ve come to realize, many MANY “Christian” women will just use the Bible as a means to shame and control their husbands. Many more aren’t Christian at all but go to church to find a man who is decent so they can take advantage. In the entirely of my life I’ve seen maybe four of five marriages within the church that are genuinely what a marriage should be, maybe three outside the church. Mariah’s requires a degree of moral inclination that is completely lacking in this country, and also a moral fortitude I have seen less than thirty men with and less than ten women with in my life over thousands of in depth interactions.
1) lack of quality women
2) cost
Coming to Christ makes little difference my brother in these times.
Married 25 years, great family....etc. Christian wife left me and 2 children.
Stats seem to indicate very little difference in divorce percentage between Christians and non- Christians.
Family courts favor divorcing wives not fathers.
Christians should consider covenantal marriage rather than state contracts.
Does your church provide this alternative? If so, you guys are ahead of the curve and I would applaud you.
Unfortunately I doubt a "covenental marriage" is any better. Your spouse can still leave you at any time for any reason. It can also still result in demanding child support or alimony by appealing to the government that you were in a long term relationship, and you don't get any tax incentive either from being legally married.
There isn't much we can do until the fullness of the societal collapse occurs, after which point things inevitably must and will change as a direct consequence.
The best option for now is probably finding a Christian woman you trust who has no desire for divorce, and both sign a prenuptial agreement ensuring the husband and wife leave only with what they came into the relationship with, perhaps with a clause denying financial benefits to the one who initiated the divorce.
Assuming that could even be held up and the government wouldn't just throw it out. However, its far safer than relying on what essentially amounts to a promise/vow, which clearly isn't taken seriously now as is. Jesus even condemns the taking of vows precisely because of this fact.
@@jrconway3 Actually the opposite is true. Jesus condemns taking a vow, not because it can be broken, but because it can't be broken without serious consequences before God.
I want to do this so much brother, I want to marry but not by the state, but strictly by the church. I think this and marrying overseas is the only for us men in this era to have stable marriage.
@David Conway Jr. There are some states that have zero recognition of common law marriage and state specifically in the law that no union of any sort is a marriage under the law unless conducted with a marriage license and witnesses and registered with the state.
So actually there are states where you can do that.
Why did she leave if you don't mind me asking?
Should I Get Married?
Men, NEVER voluntarily give the government and family courts jurisdiction over your assets, and future income.
In my CPA practice, clients often ask how I feel about marriage.
I usually answer them with a question of my own.
“How many other relationships do you have where you have signed a legal document and a license that will force you to go to a court to terminate that relationship?”
"For example, have you and your best friend signed a Best Friend License?"
Of course the answer is no.
Imagine you have a Best Friend License and before you can stop being friends with that person you have to file a lawsuit. You will need to hire attorneys and a judge has to approve you no longer being best friends.
Then that judge can legally take some of your assets and give them to your former best friend against your will. That judge can also order you to pay a monthly amount to that former best friend forever.
And imagine the courts are biased against you and favor your best friend in every way while in court.
Of course, we all see how ridiculous it would be to ever sign a best friend's license.
A marriage license should be viewed the same way.
The adversarial party to the marital contract, your wife, is financially incentivized to breach this contract, (file for divorce against you), where you have no such equal benefit, and with NO consequence to her.
I don’t blame women for filing for divorce at such a high rate.
Any contract where one party has no consequences of any kind if they breach, but instead has benefits and incentives, is not legal in my opinion.
As a compromise, if your beloved demands marriage, consider a religious ceremony with no corresponding governmental paperwork. Make sure this cannot be construed as a legal marriage in your state.
Voluntarily bringing governmental and judicial oversight into any of your personal relationships is insanity. With a marriage license, this is only strengthened by the fact that the family laws are heavily biased towards women and mothers.
Voluntarily giving family courts the authority to seize your property and income streams, and give them to another person sometime in the future, is irrational and self-destructive and should never be done under any circumstances.
Never sign any contract where the other party has little or no consequence for breaching it.
Good to see you, Chris! I miss going to your comments and questions to Suzanne Venker to find if she would ever respond! Did you ever get a reply?
@@kaiserpuppydog7174 never!
My wife and I were traditional Catholic when we met. My ex left the faith, left our home and moved into another state without consent of the state. She after 2 years married walked away, took my daughter to another state and enjoys a relationship with other men. I am traditional Catholic. Until death. Courts don't recognize the Catholic marriage as a contract, which it is, and give all to mothers, even when they lie. But I will say, I have peace now..... life goes on. Still faithful. 🙃
Carry on man. Nothing better than the single life. Once you adjust you realize you missed out for yrs
So many like her (mine too) play hopscotch then turn around one day and they are OLD...other than some youngster who is curious thats all the man they can get. Nobody wants a high mile car that isnt firing on all 8
Met my current girlfriend at a bible study. We're both in our young 20s and while we aren't exactly one for one in terms of how we think, we always do work out our differences. We don't believe in leaving each other unless there is a Biblical reason like infidelity or nonbelief. She can definitely be needy and clingy, but she does love me for me, even though we don't always see eye to eye. It's very odd how hookup culture and "femininism" has taken over and distorted/corrupted the dating scene, and it's even infiltrated our churches to an extent where young women may not want anything long term or have a traditional marriage. I can see why it deters young men from wanting to get married.
I'm good with everything you said except the infidelity and nonbelief part. Where in the Bible does it say you can divorce and remarry for those reasons?
@@d3127qb Infidelity yes (Matthew 19:9), unbelief no (1 Corinthians 7:12-14).
@@austinlehman2524 oh ok. I believe the Bible's view on marriage in the age of grace in the New Testament is one man and one woman for life no exceptions.
Matthew 5:31-32 & 19:9 with the exception clause should be read in conjunction with Mark 10:11-12 & Luke 16:18
Also in Romans 7:1-4 & 1st Corinthians 7:10-11 & 39 it is clear that death is the only thing that ends a marriage and brings understanding to 1st Corinthians 7:12-15 that even though there may be a struggle with an unbeliever and even though they may leave you are free from them but cannot remarry because though you may not be in bondage to them if they depart you're still bound by your vows because marriage is for life till death do us part or as long as we both shall live
I therefore believe marriage is for life.
For more information about what the exception clause actually means you can look at the PDF with the link at the end of the paragraph Except For Fornication:
www.danielrjennings.org/writings.html
God bless
Plenty of trifling Christian women who will betray you.
Female nature trumps religion.
They need to get rid of no fault divorce. I think it’s horrible for this country.
A family member married a so-called Christian spouse who left the marriage after 8 months. I have never been happier that they live in a no-fault state because there was no need to assassinate character in court. Had they had children, imagine what proving fault does to children? I've changed my mind on no-fault. But I am still of the mind that legal marriage is not the same thing as religious marriage.
I’d love for someone to ask me, “Who hurt you?” I’d be like, “Let me make you a list.”
OMG what an incredible refreshing video. Nothing but common sense here. No emotional arguments or shaming language. Earned a sub
My wifes family is Catholic and her parents divorced. One left the church and one continues to even work for the church. Divorce didn't appear to create any roadblock for community.
One left the church though?
As long as the Catholic one doesn’t try to get “re-married” they’re ok.
@@arcanum3882 Not sure what you are getting at.
@@banemaler One of them is cut off from community
@@arcanum3882 My observance was to proper church discipline and the lack that two people in the church experienced. There is no barrier to community when one is allowed to serve in the institution. There is also no barrier to community when one comes and goes as they please from the fellowship. No correction, no chastisement, simply a do what thou wilt attitude of the world.
Am I the only one who wants to see Doug and Knowles have a conversation? Or Knowles talking with the Crosspolitic guys?
It would be interesting for sure.
Knowles and Wilson is one of the conversations I've always wanted to see, up there with Carl Benjamin and Wilson.
That would be awesome. Maybe one of them could convert Knowles. He seems like a genuine man.
@@monew632 Now I want Knowles to interview James White....
@@monew632 to what he is already a Christian?
The longer that I'm married the more I realize that marriage has nothing to do with any God. Marriage has helped me to let go of any religious concepts. Marriage is a hive minded concept, in my humble opinion.
What made you come to this realization???
As someone who was raised in Church, and did a larger portion of what a churchgoer is supposed to do; remain a virgin, avoid temptation, hold yourself and your friends accountable, outreach, street ministry, simply do good to Strangers, feed the hungry, clothe the homeless, ect.
The one things I still have not been able to do... is trust, and marry, a woman.
Maybe God sees marriage as good, but we totally ruined it... sorry.
Well ... the Bible does say in I Corinthians that it is better for men and women to stay single if they can avoid fornication. If you can do that, it is better for you to stay single -- in fact, that same chapter (I think it is chapter 7) says that if you are called single, stay right there, because those who marry will have trouble in the flesh. I am a single virgin woman that thanks God at this age that He would not permit me to marry in younger years ... unless the Lord calls me to marriage, I will stay right here and enjoy the peace of dedicated service. You can do that too.
I think Bens point was spot on. As a Catholic, and as Doug pointed out, there are many in the Church who disregard its teachings. As I’ve undergone my own marriage prep the priests have been nothing but delighted to see my fiancé and I in their instruction. “Everyday I have to hear sad stories or pained words of couple fighting, but you two are different.” I will take these words to heart and lay my life down for God and my wife. I invite my Protestant brothers and sisters to live not for themselves but for each other. Any obstruction between the man and the woman living as one flesh must be removed. Man must lead and women follow. Women must invite and inspire, men must accept and bring it to fullness. Adam and Eves folly has been repeated too many times.
As a Baptist, I a say Amen to that brother.
newlyweds are excited about marriage? ya don't say.
What if I simply don’t want to get married at all? Just be single for ever
Then you have the gift of singleness, and go in peace!
What, you don't want to be a disposable utility? Shame!
You may be gifted for singleness, and if you are, that's great! Serve the Lord in confidence of heart, and we'll see you in Glory!
It means you are SMART
5:59 ahh the nostalgia “who hurt you”, a classic!
Tell me I can’t trust you without telling me I can’t trust you~
If someone warned you that crossing the street on the corner of Vernon and Sheppard, was a 50/50 chance of being runover would you cross? In the case of marriage, the car is the government and the driver is the woman.
As a young man if I want a Christian wife I'm better off marrying a Muslim woman.
Muslim girls typically marry their own and most American muslims are LGBTQR+
Muslim women view marriage as a form of worship. Unfortunately for you, Muslim women do not and cannot marry Christian men, even though Christians are believers.
Lol, Muslim women are not much different
3:45 For many men (providers) its not the splitting of assets, its the continued financial support required. This creates a situation where one person in the marriage is forced to support the other despite the dissolution of the marriage. You add in that modern civil laws are often punitive instead of supportive in nature despite the cause for the divorce.
😂😂😂😂😂 he basically said "just find the right one"
Keep buying lotto tickets, men.
@@skylinefever 😂. Basically
Women you need to drop the idea of feminism. It’s a ungodly design straight from the pit of hell. Design to keep women always wanting and unsatisfied.
No we women are more than satisfied with our education, career and autonomy.
Marriage doesn't mean happiness. So many miserable married people out there
@@wyleecoyotee4252 yeah and the unhappy marriage and divorce statistics climbed right along the feminism and the sexual revolution a clear correlation. Men and women are equals but not designed to do the same things. Our androgynous society doesn’t seem to get this and just keeps on running society into the ground.
@@jadedrac0 The idea of wanting to survey how happy women are in marriages is inherently a feminist action. Marital rape was only made a crime in the 1990s!
@@wyleecoyotee4252
Feminists have trained women to be men.
That often leads to a successful career as a "Boss Babe," and to personal failure when a masculine woman and a man discover they can't remain married to each other.
A feminine woman and a man go together like a nut and a bolt.
A masculine woman and a man go together like two bolts.
In Australia the median length of marriage to separation is ~8years, while the same median for child support is 15 years. Never sign a contract where the other party is rewarded for breaking it; all the counterparty risk is on the guy. Also cohabitation laws are very strict to. Her just leaving her toothbrush at your place can cost you your house. The feminist run divorce courts are not their to promote family formation; officially there to protect children rights....
Women are greatly incentivized to divorce. Alimony, ch support, the house, Fe divorce courts exist to destroy men.
My dad absolutely abused my mum and us kids. No marriage is worth it
This is great video on a highly sought after topic.
Best video response by Doug ever. I did not expect him to go this hard on Michael
got married at 25ish. been married for 25 yrs. divorce came into the conversation only once near the beginning of our marriage. (i gave her biblical reasons) she has been with me even knowing i dont deserve her. i give thanks to God for her daily.
You are blessed
Praise God
Gospel means good news! The bad news is we have all sinned and deserve the wrath to come. But Jesus the Messiah died for our sins, was buried, and then raised on the third day, according to the scriptures. He ascended into heaven and right now is seated at the Father's right hand. Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."
Do you not deserve her or are you less attractive to a straight man than your wife is? Women and men value different things in a marriage and if you judge you and your wife based on your standards then you might be underselling yourself.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf I agree with Wayne Grudem on that question: Christ's physical body is present with the Father in heaven. He is the first to be resurrected, so we'll probably be disembodied spirits until the second advent, in which we will all resurrect physically into glorified bodies as Christ did.
Simp
Prenuptial agreements aren't worth the paper. A good attorney can dismantle them piece by piece. And of course, a child renders them null and void.
In my early 60's both my marriages imploded when the wife gave birth, postpartum depression triggered Borderline Personality Disorder in both wife's & turned my life into a nightmare. I've suggested to my youngest son to not get married until he is at least 40 and when he does his wife should be at least 15 years younger so they have more closely matched libidos. Most important is a man must protect his properties with trusts which make it impossible for the wife to take his chyte when she goes feral .
I hear the sex stops after kids, but i'm not dumb enough to get married so I don't really know
@@manager4409 My parents had 7 kids and I can remember hearing them having sex into my teens. When I married at 19 I thought I would be getting the sex my mom gave my dad forever, but whoa was I wrong. Seems modern women get bored with their man after 5 to 7 years & don't hesitate to cheat & monkey-branch on him. Faithful, dutyful women are a thing of yesteryear.
Mine was on psyc meds when he dated. Never divulged to me. She went off them when pregnant. She later began acting curiously pleasant. I mentioned this observation and this is when she shared her psyc past. She also said she didn't like the way they made her feel so was going to stop taking them. She later filed for divorce and made my life complete hell.
@@manager4409 Sex stops after marriage. Theygot what they wanted so no need for them to convince you to keep em.
Every time.
@@gordocarbo theres also more nuance to that...even if she has sex with you, she stops doing the freaky stuff you liked. Like When a girl wanted to date me shed suck me off and let me dictate positions. Once she got comfortable in the relationship shed start saying no alot. Im sure marriage its worse.
Excellent response. Its a grim place we are in now.
The women in this episode were actually reasonably articulate (mostly due to Knowles)… If Doug watched any of the other episodes… his head would spin…
Exactly, they were actually sitting next to an intellectual and they knew it. So they couldn't just blurt out their usual bimbo talking points, because they know Knowles would have laid the smack down and they would have no come back. If it had been a rapper or someone like that, would have been a completely different show.
Okay that’s mind boggling to me if it’s true. You’re saying they are usually less coherent and more vapid?! This is the only clip of this show that I’ve ever seen and I was asking myself how the dude stands it having regular conversations with these empty-headed chicks.
@@kaylar3197 Other than the host, Brian, it’s usually totally different male and female guests each episode. The women in this episode were bad - to be sure - but nowhere near as utterly depraved and mindless as they often are. Michael’s character and wisdom clearly forced them to step up their game, at risk of looking stupid by comparison.
They barely understand the multi-syllabic sentences that Knowles is using.
After listening to these young women, I could clearly understand his reluctance to marry. I saw his point all too clearly. 😂
I have a patient that told me his story. He married a spoiled girl from California. The family has tons of money. He makes a really good living as some kind of consultant, of course now that they’re getting divorced and it’s getting worse. She wouldn’t change her schedule to accommodate him being able to pick up a contract for $250,000. She’s not even employed.
Very WELL SAID!
How am I supposed to want to enter into a covenant with someone who is rewarded by the state to break it? Maybe the answer truly is to just go abroad and marry a Christian from a more traditional country, but its frustrating seeing others go through this as well.
Bingo. Because in those countries there is no incentive or that state of nature is so close she can't throw her husband away for temporary feelings.Thee culture is the problem. This culture is rotten. Don't get married here.
gotta love Doug... on point.
“Don’t you want another successful woman”
“No that would just increase the odds”
That’s ridiculous statement.
Fantastic video
Perfect ending, brother Wilson!!!!!!!
If only it was permanent. I married a Christian girl who said marriage was a permanent covenant to God, and this was true until it wasn't. 20 years flushed out of nowhere.
If it was out of nowhere then you weren’t being a good leader. If you had no idea where your wife’s head was at then you also contributed a ton to the fall of the marriage
@@charitys1198 no I did not contribute to the fall of my marriage. I was the only one holding it together.
I know your using analogous language, (possibly by acident) but you're just dead wrong.
If what you meant was, "Malvok you did things wrong too.", then your right. This is not me contributing to the fall of my marriage. This is two opportunities for us to grow together. One for me to ask forgiveness, the other for her to forgive. Vice versa ad nauseam.
100% of the divorce filing is entirely on her.
@@charitys1198 Why always assume it was the man? Even when a man tells you how he was hurt, you assume it was his fault. Somehow.
The sword never cuts the other way. If a man cheats or leaves his wife, rarely if ever, does someone say, well what did she do to deserve it? It’s always men are pigs etc. Also, NB4 you know someone who said that exact thing and it was whatever. Stop, everyone knows that men do not get the same pass. I’ve never heard a dude bailing on his family and someone telling the woman it was her fault.
You would be crucified if you even suggested it.
@@charitys1198 any two reasonable people can be married for life period. The unreasonable person who doesn't forgive, is entirely to blame for the breakdown.
I sacrificed of myself for twenty years, for sure it was small at the begging, but at the end I had already sacrificed everything.
For example my wife the week she left realized ALL of our vacations had been for her, and asked me to plan a vacation for me. She also asked me to build her an indoor hammock in the sun for her. I was doing both when she called and told me that she was never comming home.
I know exactly how it happened, God opened her eyes to the abuse she had put me through. She didn't want to go through the process of dealing with it and forgiving herself. I had already forgiven her. She watched me grow, while she seemingly stood still.
She wanted to be my equal, and realized she could not be. I told her we are to compliment each other, but there would always be things that I was better at, just as the things that she was far superior to me in.
@@horatiusromanus They were suggesting it might have been the man's fault because the man said the end of their marriage 'came out of nowhere', and if a marriage of twenty years is on its last legs, it is unlikely to have come out of nowhere. That makes sense, right?
I just talked to and then got rejected in the first conversation with a woman who wrote in her bio that she loves discussing faith and spirituality as a Christian. I brought up church history and theology and then she told me flat out that I should talk to someone else because she takes no joy in discussing such things. Before her, I talked to a woman who had feminist theology that the Holy Spirit is female and that women can lead men in the church. I corrected her in a Christlike way and then she blocked me. There are so many women who claim godly men are rare or no longer exist, but when they find one, they are rejecting them when they come.
I want to see Christ like behavior shown towards money changers.
@@skylinefever THis!! "Casting pearls before swine is punished". Strong words and so true.
My wife and I got married young, she was 21 and I was 23. We have been married 43 years, but that was a different time. These days as a man I would never get married, because all of the cards are against you.
Why would anyone not be averse to taking a risk on someone who can hurt me in one of the worst possible ways, on a whim, and suffer little consequence for doing so?
How am I supposed to know that this won't happen? A crystal ball?
Just to put your conception of risk in perspective, six women are killed every hour by men around the world, most by men in their own family or their partners. More than half of women and girls killed by men are murdered by their current or previous partners, according to comprehensive UN data.
@@aallen5256 How many men/boys are killed by women for a more accurate perspective?
@@aallen5256 oh, how I wish those were true.
@@zephyrr108 simmer down sweetheart
@@greenghost6416 look them up and let us all know! But it’s tragic and laughable to suggest that men are killed by women in anything like the numbers that women are killed by men, and not just men, but their intimate partners and family members
Whoever breaks the vow should pay the debt.
MALE OR FEMALE.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 Beating, cheating...MALE OR FEMALE.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 Feminists & blood suckers part of the system apparently.
I'm going by THE BOOK though.
His good book.
If any spouse breaks the covenant and runs it into the ditch sometimes MULTIPLE times the burden of hot coals SHOULD fall into the perpetrator's lap.
But we know how the interfering lawless court system treats women in comparison to men.
And yes there are the "Christians" that are not in fact by the very way they conduct themselves in private.
God knows the truth and so do the ones that actually walk in His truths.
Discernment is a gift certainly not possessed by all.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 What is a 'government run marraige'?
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 she separates. He must repent. If he does, she must reconcile. Whoever is the one refusing to reconcile, in the elders’ judgment, is breaking the covenant (1cor7 mandates intimacy) and gives the other cause for divorce
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 ???
My dad lost the house to my mom. Got remarried 14 years later. Lost a second house…She was a Christian, but dang…
Hell hath no fury…
Did your dad even deserve it? So many women just file for divorce because they are unhappy..
@@brent4073 complicated. He cheated, she was a shrew.
@@brent4073 They file cause its profitable and they no longer have to hide the new guy.
No woman doesnt have a replacement when they disappear.
Hey Doug! I was married for 16 years to a conservative Christian woman. In the end, she broke the covenant by legally filing for divorcing from me and took more than half and all 8 of my seeds [children]. FYI, I had all my seeds attended a Classical Christian School. Her main reason for divorce, which was supported my the Christian leader in Wisconsin, was I decided to keep the Sabbath day holy. The moral of story is DO NOT get a marriage license from the STATE.
Dammmmmn 😢
Only question is why. DID she cheat? If not then why leave a 16 year marriage and throw away 16 years...?
I believe Paul the apostle teaches that if you want to marry that's fine if you don't want to marry that's fine also.
Jesus says so in Matt 19 as well
Paul says that, but corroborates it by saying "it is better to marry than burn with passion's and "to avoid fornication, let every man Hans his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband"
People need to take the whole context into account and not just read the part they like about it.
@@jrconway3 I don't think he was taking Paul's wisdom out of context. You just added more context.
The choice is either find a spouse, or be a eunuch. The point is to not sin, but please God in sexuality
The purpose there is for sake of being more effective in ministry. It's not because you don't want responsibility or because you're too scared or whatever. It's also assumed (and commanded) that you are then celibate. But you know none of these people are going to stop fornicating.
@@Yesica1993 Are you more effective in ministry if you have a 50% chance of divorce and have to fight for 10 years to be able to see your children while half of your money is given to your spouse you can't see anymore?
I know plenty of men who were betrayed and cleaned by their wives.
As a current agnostic person, ex catholic, i do have to agree with most of your stances on marriage and his fears. Very solid to look at. I may not believe in God the same way you do but bless you man.
Got divorced in 79 those thing that ever happened cost me $125 at the time she took the two kids the furniture I took my Harley
I like these reaction videos.