Case in point: The Dark Knight The movie: Heroes have to struggle between doing the right thing even though the world is burning around them. They have to struggle between their baser instincts and serving justice, even if the ones they love are put into harm's way. And ultimately show that humans will pick what's right vs the villain trying to prove that everyone is as psychotic and depraved as he is. What Hollywood saw: dark and gritty make money. Make heroes dark and not good.
I’m expecting them to do a remake where they miss the point of the original and have the Giant fight other Giants and go full Transformers. That’s the kind of nonsense they would make. As cool as that sounds, it just doesn’t fit the theme of the character or the story.
If this was a different giant kind robot I would love to see it. Maybe the Iron Giant could accidentally go into rage mode? But even then, the whole point of the movie is basically a complete opposite to "cool big robot make cool big explosion go pew pew"
I love how the Iron Giant can be summed up into many conceptual questions similar to: World-killing robot, or robot-killing world? Do guns kill, or do people kill?
@@skinnybuggo yes guns make it easy to kill people, but most have no desire to go on a shooting rampage. I don't think saying do guns kill people or do people kill people is that easy. Let's face it,even without guns we'd still be killing each other off alot. So, shouldn't blame a tool,but at the same time there's no denial that firearms in the hands of the unstable are a tragedy...so the answer lies somewhere in the middle..if that makes sense....shouldn't take away all guns, and we shouldn't have easy access to so many high capacity ones. Coming to a middle ground on this in today's political climate I fear is impossible however
I sitll think the combination of the 3D giant and 2D characters really adds to how alien the iron giant is. Literally from a different world that works differently and the fact they make 3D and 2D work together so well really adds to it just as Hogarth is close with the iron giant.
I find it ironic how The Iron Giant was about something that didn't want to do what it was created for in-universe, is now being used by Hollywood as something it wasn't created to represent in real life. How meta.
@@mariobadia4553 you really like bringing up the RPO part, where the problem being brought up is that he's fighting at all even when he doesnt want to fight ever, even if its for oasis or whatever
OP misses the point on this in ready player one. That's not THE iron giant. It was built by someone, a replica, and made for exactly what they wanted him for -- fighting on the good side against the corporation. OP is taking this way too literally. Again, not the same iron giant.
Oh boy I can't wait until Hollywood gets the idea of doing something with "Grandma got run over by a reindeer" after Cartoon Network spammed it every December.
@@fudgen.a1249 They gonna sue the pants offa Santa~ That's a what they gonna do~ They gonna sue the pants offa Santa~ Cause that's what Grandpa wanted to~ Oh God that sequence was terrible.
Iron Giant is literally America's Evangelion. I'm not even joking. The entire thing is about love, understanding, and the tragedy of human-on-human violence. But people just miss it entirely and go, "WOW COOL GIANT ROBOT!!"
The Iron giant was built to be a weapon, and there was more than one of them. It being used as such in Ready Player One, while disrespectful, was still consistent. It's also within video game modding context, which tends to be notorious for breaking character.
3:38 The tragic event happened a year before the film was released. Also, The Iron Giant was based off of a novel by Ted Hughes for his kids to comfort them after their mother's suicide
@@multilad816 Yeah, I think we shouldn't forget that it was based off a book, because it's important to look at how the message of the movie differs from the message of the book in a somewhat contradictory way.
Imagine having multiple adaptations of The Iron Giant just killing and smashing and being Evil. That's what's it's like being Superman fan now a days. In this terrible time full of terrible people we just want someone good so bad but no.
God, that’s such a good comparison. Superman has been portrayed so horribly in films and games in recent years. Only the cartoons and comics still portray him as a good guy.!
It has become a sour joke now, Superman Bad and evil, Meanwhile Batman is always the hero and has to stop him. Even though Batman is very likely got a bigger chance of going off the deep end and into a killer. But No they always got to get Batman as hero, Superman bad and Batman is always prepared and wins that at this Point calling Batman just a man is a joke.
As a child the electrocution scene traumatized me, haha. Now that I’m older I adore that movie even more. The Iron Giant was a special part of my childhood.
A great idea I remember hearing about how the iron giant could've ACTUALLY been used in Ready Player 1 was by having the villain use the Iron Giant to fight people instead of mecha godzilla because he could only see how powerful its' weapons were, meanwhile the players who understand the actual heart and soul of these properties knew how to fix that and make the giant peaceful again. Using their greater understanding of what these characters actually are to fight the villain instead of his more closed perception of just grabbing the strongest things he could get and throwing them at his opponents.
This movie and Transformers really did kindle my love for giant robots and the mecha genre in general. I’m glad that it’s getting the respect it deserve, but I hate how WB only uses the property as a nostalgia ploy.
Same! Giant robot characters are amazing, but I personally love it whenever they show them being gentle Giants or feeling emotions way more than just fighting.
Hollywood has turned the clever use of metatextuality to draw connections between the themes and symbols of different works and into nothing more than nostalgia bait, what should I expect from a system that sees art as nothing more than a means for profit
Most artists see art as a means of profit. Do you think Da Vinci painted just for the love of it? Mozart didn't want any money and fame? None of the modern day bands, actors, or artists that you like want to make money off their art? Artists are in a business. Hollywood and the mass audience is the patron just as rich people, kings, and the church have always been the patrons.
@@Laneous14 I disagree, OP is saying that when artists sacrifice their artistic vision for creating something that will be more profitable then the art suffers. While it's true that artists want to survive off their art, most would not sacrifice their vision for what is popular. If you look at artists who have been the most influential on popular culture they were mostly uncompromising in their art. People can tell when something is made by committee and they can tell when someone is trying to appeal to mass consensus. There is a reason Shrek is loved and the live action Disney movies are not. And in response to Mozart, he was literally playing piano before the age of 6, did he start playing 'for the money?' or did he figure out he could make money with his art later in life? Da Vinci created lots of things he wasn't paid for, all of his work is not contained in his commissioned paintings. Why would he do any of that if profit was his motivator?
I feel like the Iron Giant in Ready Player One kinda gets a pass, being a character avatar after all, but couldve been preformed better. I just hope the Iron Giant acts more like in their movie in the new Space Jam movie
Not really, IMO. I think had it maybe been a summon character and not a souless power-up then it would have been better, a summon that was a tank. One that took damage and once enough damage to allies was dealt it attacks like he did in the movie after Hogarth was harmed to the point that he though he was dead.
still, it kinda proves that the players didn’t understand the message of the movie, despite that they are attempting to make the point that they do and the big corporations don’t.
@@ErgoProxy12345 dude why would the character care about the message? Imagine getting Goku, he always wants to wait till his opponent was at their most powerful till they fight, if you got to play as Goku in a game would you do the same? It doesn't really matter
I think defending Snyder isn’t a great idea. He looked at the decades of history of characters like Superman and Batman and decided that realistically they would kill, launder money, and abuse their power because SUPERHEROS being good people doing the right thing was and I quote “fucking stupid and ridiculous”
I still really love the early-zeroes CGI/hand-drawn mixed aesthetic. The Iron Giant, Road to El Dorado, Titan AE, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, etc. Somehow, the juxtaposition of the two created a perfect canvas with seemingly unlimited possibility to my young mind, where the CGI handled the large-scale stuff, and the 2D cel animators took care of the smaller human moments. I genuinely looked forward to a point when videogames would look like that. Yes, I am still bitter.
Dust: an Elysian Tale comes kinda close to that aesthetic at least in terms of how the 2D and 3D meld together. The art style in terms of environment and character design is nothing like the mid 00's style but it does come pretty close to that 2D and 3D splicing. It's also just a damned good indie game period so maybe worth checking out if you haven't already?
I've never seen or heard someone use describe the early 2000s as the early-zeroes. I think I might use that phrase in the future if you don't mind. Wasn't the Iron Giant from the late nineties? Even though I never got the chance to see those movies as a kid, but as a somewhat pessimistic adult, I agree with this post.
Yeah I liked the fact he was in ready player one when it came out but when I learned the iron giant was made because Brad Bird's sister was murdered due to gun violence I was just like... Why did you make him another big gun robot?
It's kinda sad to know that you didn't get to see this when you were younger, I used to have it on DVD (or maybe VHS I'm fuzzy on it) I'm pretty sure we accidentally stole it from the last blockbuster in our area and I would watch it over and over again. I remember crying every time at the end like it was the first time I watched it. It's such a beautiful movie and I am glad it was a part of my childhood.
The Iron Giant in Ready Player One was just an avatar for a player. It was exactly as meaningful to its core character as Ugandan Knuckles was to actual Knuckles.
@@interlouper I mean dude Ready player one is what happens when throw a toy box at itself it's jammed full of references that make no fucking sense thematically to their original works but it's about being a giant spectical it's literally as meaningful as there being Iron Giant toys
Geez, the iron Giant was such a great movie. We honestly need more like it. While I am a big nerd and love seeing franchises added on to, I'd love to see more stand alone films that have something to say without beating you over the head with it. I think that's why people love to see stuff like Pixar movies because they can stand on their own two legs without help from the history of a franchise.
Absolutely agree. I don’t like how everything nowadays needs to be an expansive universe with intricate lore. Sometimes it’s better to have characters with completed arcs and questions unanswered, as it’s the stories that have a definite beginning, middle, and end that truly stick with us.
Listen, I like remembering things and seeing them come back but nostalgia's a drug and sometimes a terrible one. Corporations don't seem to know this or moreso they do but don't care cause it sells. I'm fine with bringing something back, just give the true respect it deserves. That's why I'm not really looking forward to Space Jam 2. It doesn't feel like a continuation of Space Jam or anything super interesting. It feels like nostalgia bait because Space Jam 1 was a hit and people loved it.
Space Jam 2 isn't even nostalgia bait. It was made for two reasons. One, so Warner Bros. can shoehorn as many of their non-Looney Tunes properties into one movie, similar to what Disney did with Wreck-it Ralph 2. And two, so LeBron James has something to boost his ego because of how desperate he is to be exactly like Jordan.
I think it'd be okay if he played some B-Ball, it would kinda fit in with the whole personality thing. At least better than ready player one shoot shoot kill kill iron giant.
I’d say iron giant in “ready player 1” is acceptable as it’s basically a playable character. I played as Elmo who had ninja skills and could throw knives while fighting samurai at a music concert in a video game. Everything else I could agree on.
I remember in the 2000s when Blockbuster was still around, I rented this movie when I was about 7-8 years old. It's been a gem of my childhood ever since.
when it comes to ready player one, it *is* a video game world. And, if I remember correctly, they say 'you have *an* iron giant?' This implies there are multiple iron giants in ready player one, and it's simply some sort of rare item in the game world. Which doesn't even go against the movie, where iron giants are originally units built to ruin planets. If it happened in any other setting than a game world i'd pretty ticked off about it. Space jam was somewhat annoying with it tho
Or...you know....WB doesn't care because it's their made up IP and they can do what they please with it. You and others are looking way too much into this
@@sselluoss5935 No he's not. He's 100% correct. This video doesn't get that in RP1 the iron giant isn't the same iron giant, and it isn't even reality lol.
The use of the Iron Giant in Ready Player One and Space Jam 2 never fails to usher my cynicism. When it came out, Warner Bros thought it was crap and threw it under the bus. Now, when they want the money in your wallet, you bet your life he'll be leading the nostalgic fan service parade.
Even when I like something, I point out ways that it could be better. The fact that that's now seen as negativity can be rather depressing. I especially get flack for pointing out things like cheap humor or nostalgia baiting. I'm glad videos like this exist.
It's like people forgot that enjoyment =/= quality, and by extension that guilty pleasures are a thing. One can love something and still admit it's flawed and even outright bad.
@@GodOfOrphans This is the reason fanfiction and other fan materials exist in the first place. The original work needs to interest you enough to hook you in, but exploring all the "what ifs" can be as engaging as the canon, or even more.
@@GodOfOrphans Even your own writing evolves over time as your skills and life experiences come into play, you'll eventually look back on a project and pick it apart and consider the things that you would've added to it. That's how creativity works
@@Mochitachi70 I can think of two very popular examples of things that have been reworked time and time again: Alice in Wonderland and Sherlock Holmes. They both have big following through one reboot or another. Hell, one of my favorite Manga series is actually based off an Alice in Wonderland otome that got greenlit for a Shojo series, and there are more otomes based off Alice in Wonderland than any other story concept I can think of, just off the top of my head. Sherlock Holmes has an otome game too, now that I think about it.
@@DefectoDepressoEspresso Been taking a few casual stabs at storytelling myself and I can already look back at ideas I had previously and cringe, and this is just from an unprofessional casual standpoint, I haven't ever posted or published anything yet.
Its about time someone says it! Its kind of funny how WB is now shoving him in stuff when back in the day they were the reason the movie didn't do well intially.
I feel like over the years as people become less and less critical or passionate, things just become more simplified and more marketable because at some point Your favorite super hero is just a logo and not a character.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 If that were so, more people would be able to call out the rampant nostalgia baiting Hollywood has been carrying out recently, and refusing to buy tickets.
Funny story actually, when Covid was settling last year my mother and I went to our local theater because they were reshowing Iron Giant. Theater was almost full to capacity.
The only reason that I find ready player 1's giant fine is because it could be one of the many other giants that were mentioned in the original film, however I do agree, Hollywood should do some more research before using old characters
Ofc they wouldnt since Hollywood loves to bait its audience with Nostalgia and barely anyone saw it when it came out which is depressing Iron Giant is one of the best movies ever :(
The Iron Giant was my fucking childhood. I still get excited to watch it, and still cry like a bitch over it as an adult. Hearing the Giant's screams of pain when he was stuck in the powerlines still makes me have the exact same amount of urgency to scream "HELP HIM!!!" now at almost 24 as it did when I was 5.
i was fine with it in ready player one because its just a item there is no Non player Ai of advanced quality it was basically eqivalent to somone using a iron giant model in vr chat it wasnt the actual giant or a mimicry of him but the others do tick me off abit because they imply the giant is well THE GIANT as in the same character
I remember seeing The Iron Giant. However I never stopped to think about any deeper messages. I was a kid that liked the movie with a touching ending. And today I learned something new.
5:30 to be fair, there's a fight going on, the Iron Giant would be a useful ally to have in said fight, and none of the characters who have stakes in that fight are going to care much for the irony and symbolism when it happens.
Man I hate ready player one, it feels like it’s written from the perspective of someone who has a vague idea of what modern video games are but hasn’t actually played one since the early 90’s.
ready player one was just a contest to fit as many pop culture icons in it as possible to appeal to as many fans as possible to get as many viewers as possible
@Tom Ffrench yup after that he made films like Schindler’s list and saving private Ryan because the reception effected him that much. It’s sad to think because his old violent films were super fun.
I loved this movie too when i was a kid, i even got the artbook a few years ago and i was baffled to read how much work was put behind the CG to make it fit together with the overall 2d animated artstyle of the movie.
i feel like ready player one didnt use the iron gigant as the character itself, considering its the avatar of one of the character they dont have the same personality because its not the same "person" its like going into vr chat and doing stuff with any of the avatars, you can be in character if you want to but its probably not gonna happen most of the time it was a reference, not a cameo
6:33 Actually, it was an even more obscure pick. Leopardon from the old sentai with Spider-Man. Obviously, Spider-man and Leopardon are owned by Disney and they aren't going to let Warner Bros. use those characters.
The Iron Giant has been my absolute favorite thing pretty much all my life, I'd watch it over and over whenever I could growing up and you couldn't get me to look away. I can recite the whole thing word for word by heart. It's even where I got my new name, Hogarth :) It shaped my outlook on life, how its ones self who gets to choose who they are and that we aren't simply who others say we're supposed to be. I took so much comfort in the line "souls to die" that it eased the pain of my grandpas passing, and it continues to help me cope with death still to this day. As a kid I wanted so badly for it to get more recognition, for it to touch people like it did me. Seeing the Giant used as what feels like a cheap nostalgia grab by the same people that made it *flunk* at his debut and seeing them warp the meaning of his whole character hurts me on a personal level. kinda makes me wanna fistfight hollywood ngl
@@qwertysub2038 I know people are going to hate me for it, but I do agree that adaptations should have changes that make sense, rather than changes that don’t; I didn’t like the original Disney Jungle Book movie because of it; mostly with how Mowgli and Shere Khan are portrayed. Walt, when he was alive, had no sense of respect for making Mowgli into a boy willing to chose who he is in the end, but instead made him into a pinball rolling around different locations and bumping into different people. Shere Khan isn’t any better, because he doesn’t kill anyone at all, made worse in the sequel where he brutally attacked Lucky the Vulture, and yet he laughs it off like it was nothing when finding Shere Khan inside a statue head’s mouth. Mowgli’s Story and the 2015 reboot fixed what Walt broke, by actually taking cues from the source material (Rudyard Kipling’s books), and made Mowgli into a boy who learns of the jungle life and doing his own thing, while Shere Khan actually kills someone to show he means business. These are something that I think people seem to forget, that these stories were based on pre-existing stories. Now, on the flip side, Walt did make an adaptation while respecting the original author; and that’s with 101 Dalmatians. Most of the cues from the original book was kept, including a car chase back home to escape Cruella. It’s the opposite of what Walt had to deal with for Mary Poppins. Now I know some modern adaptations don’t sit well with a lot of people, but I will bring up an example that I’m sure I could shed some light on, with an adaptation that has both a change that made sense and a change that doesn’t: the Lorax. One change that made sense (aside from the Lorax being voiced by Danny Devito to emphasize the book’s “sharpish and bossy” description of his voice) was the Onceler being a human. The problem with many people not understanding the original book was that the Onceler was made to represent humans who were filled with dreams, but also lack a sense of responsibility; in other words, he wasn’t destroying the environment just because, but rather he doesn’t realize how much we need the flora to give us homes and clean air. So, the Onceler being a human, for better or for worse, did make sense in the context of the source material, especially when the book said he wears gloves. The one change I hate about the movie was turning the town that was desolate in the book into a town that’s plastic and fake, which is run by a 1-dimensional villain. If the town remained desolate, like the book showed without any verbal description, then Ted’s reason to get a tree for Audrey would’ve been much stronger. Bottom line, Hollywood should stop putting in changes that don’t make sense in the context of the original source material.
Warner Bros owns Pacific Rim. Pacific Rim was super popular and came out before Ready Player One. Gypsy Danger would honestly fit the Iron Giant role just as well.
I dont neccesarily agree with the whole thing about it damaging the originals reputation as long as the character is just a reference but I do agree that its disrespectful to its history Even the nostalgia bait just rings true cause lets be honest: Thats what it is, you cant really deny it
Imo, the ready player one portion could probably be debunked as the whole "its not really the iron giant its just a player in an iron giant avatar", like, if someone in a link avatar in vrchat came up to me and called me the n word, I wouldn't take that as the character of link being racist, I would take that as some bozo dressed up as link in a video game being racist
12:35 Remember when Cartoon Network rebooted HB characters as adult swim shows and it was glorious? (I mean I've only seen Space Ghost Coast to Coast and Harvey Birdman, haven't seen Sealab 20... 21... Wait a second...)
That's because the writers for those shows were huge animation nerds and understood exactly the kind of themes they were parodying and paying homage to. Venture Bros for instance, stands on it's own, while also completing taking the piss out of Johnny Quest and the boy adventurer genre.
Part of that was because they started writing Birdman (I think that was the first one of those HB parodies), and while writing they realized they had all the usage rights for the old HB characters, then gave us the absolute gems that were Space Ghost: C2C, Harvey Birdman: AaL, Sealab, and one other that focused on one of Space Ghost's side-characters that I can't remember the name of.
@@sluttyMapleSyrup There were two spinoffs, Cartoon Planet and Brak Show. I personally didn't know Carton Planet existed back then and I never watched Brak Show. Also Space Ghost Coast to Coast came first on a regular timeslot, got canceled, then came back on Adult Swim. Also IIRC, Coast to Coast was technically a spinoff of an old viewer request block that JBVO replaced. IDK, I did find out that JBVO itself _also_ had a UK-exclusive spinoff I never heard of before called Toon:FM which co-starred Brak for some reason.
@@mattwo7 Yes, The Brak Show! I only saw a couple episodes and it was drier than the sahara. Space Ghost was more fun to watch lol Ah, I got Adult Swim shows through Teletoon, because Canada, so all the Hanna Barbara parodies got picked up simultaneously.
Same I think I watch it over or maybe 40 or 60times maybe (not actually accurate but you get what I mean iv seen it alot too)😅and then my family watch it a bunch too.😂😅
Well ready player on wasn't using iron giants character as it was just a skin for the character in the movie to wear. It would be like people being upset that someone uses an iron man mod to go on rampages in gta.
"You are who you choose to be...you choose" is one of the greatest lines I can remember. That being said, and I agree about using any other mecha in the RP1 fight, WHY NOT USE KIRYU/MECHAGODZILLA 3...THE "PROTECTOR" MECHAGODZILLA TO FIGHT THE "EVIL" GODZILLA (or Mecha-Godzilla 1 (I say 1 because of the finger missles)???
11:55 He also made a career out of sucking at making sequels. I don't even care if the "black superman" is Kal-El, I just care that that movie doesn't get a sequel.
In regards to the addition of the iron giant in ready player one. The Iron Giant was actually a mech that could've been obtained in the novel but never was. My guess is that they wanted to keep something from the novel and mindlessly pander (sorry I got my facts wrong a few times when writing this comment)
The Iron Giant and the characterization of said character is a HUGE pivotal concept that's literally a part of a LOT of worldbuilding I do. Hollywood needs to understand that taking a popular icon and putting it in a film doesn't mean jack shit if y'aint doing it right.
WB: “hey. Remember that one robot who’s main purpose is NOT to fight? Yea. We’re gonna put him in our movies & games. & the only thing he’s gonna do is fight? Ik. Genius right?”
Disney did the same to Treasure Planet. It seems these studios have a thing against passion projects, even though they're often the best films because of the care and love behind them.
@@sluttyMapleSyrup honestly I think it makes sense because those who work on passion projects are likely to go against their corporate masters. And sometimes that doesn’t mean money . Look at how Brad Bird did for the marketing after the Iron Giant.
@@garybrown2039 But it usually means a better quality project. Treasure Island was a great movie, but it was denied production five times by the executives, and even when it was finally greenlit, it was sabotaged in marketing and release; coming out between massive Christmas movies and having some of the major plot twists spoiled _in the trailers._ Like, imagine a Tarantino film with corporate interference. Okay, maybe there'd be less foot shots, but how it deals with any philosophical ideas, literary tropes, etc. it brings up would be neutered too.
10:53 Is that King Kong fist bumping Iron Giant?! Well now I am worried about King Kong being misused in that film. He worked well enough in RPO but this is a bit... EHH?
Wasn’t the context in Ready Player One that The Iron Giant was helping to defend The Oasis? And the player that was piloting the Giant was trying to help and defend their friends?
@@odstvlogs yeah it's literally a suit one of the main characters is wearing for a power up. The whole point is that all the the people in the movie are wearing AVATARS. It's like people running around in vrchat as link or megatron.
I remember getting to see the iron giant in an old vintage theatre in my city, they even played a special feature from the movie called “the giants dream” i think? It was cool and i still cherish the memory
I do really enjoy ready player one, mostly because most of the time, nostalgia is used as a means to communicate some kind of parallel with the movie's theme (minecraft being the first thing seen in the oasis referencing its infinite possibilities, the big bad corporation boss using mecha godzilla which was created to be a cashgrab type "godzilla but bigger and better" showcasing his lack of understanding of the people he's trying to pander to), but I'll admit that the Iron Giant always bugged me in that department. Ultraman made more sense, because it would have been a Kaiju battle between a planet saving hero and a soulless copy of a beloved character that does not understand the original meaning of its source (the dangers of nuclear weaponry).
Ready Player One had the Iron Giant as a husk yes- but it was less of a robot and more of a suit. It is just a pop culture reference, however its not a robot its a suit, so the real thing for the worries, is Space Jam 2
Yeah I agree...the ready player one is a bit different. this guy might as well take his crusade to VR chat... Cause it's pretty much the same. Its People just using skins. Have you ever seen Piglet from Winnie the Pooh in any other media, Glorifying Double Suicide and then jumps from a building? "Oh no it's destroying my childhood".
I know you get into this at the 7:00 mark, but I still disagree on its usage in Ready Player One being an inherently bad thing. In this particular context, the Iron Giant is not a character in his own right, nor was this creation ever in the story. The actions this Iron Giant replica makes (which is established as a remote-controlled replica) do not reflect the character of the Iron Giant from his movie. He’s pretty well disassociated from that in the narrative. I recognize you more mean its use is indicative of poor studio intent (I don’t disagree there), but I could probably create a similar argument as far as the narrative is concerned for, say, King Kong in this movie as opposed to some of his recent interpretations.
Yeah i completely agree with this! Ready Player One is a "VRchat" movie, those are like "in game models" that people create to use them. Like a mascot suit but digital.
and hello there's more giants. so Iron shouldn't be the only robot. also the player in the giant is the good guy. now pointing two facts it's not all together bad in ready player one.
The Iron Giant is one my favorite movies of all time, and I grew up with it (being born in 2000). I would be lying if I were saying I wasn't thrilled to see it back on the big screen, but that doesn't mean I'm happy with its portrayal. I agree with you.
I don't really like Ready Player One as much as the next person but I think you forgot that the main setting of the film is a virtual reality game and every character that a person chooses is basically an empty husk You can basically play as Winnie holding a machine gun, it wouldn't make sense how the character is officially depicted but in a setting that has "limitless" potential it technically fits.
About his appearance in "Ready Player One", that wasn't the actual Iron Giant, but rather someone piloting a copy of the Giant. It actually makes sense, since the Iron Giant is a robot that possesses powerful weapons and can be useful in a war. I am aware that's what the Iron Giant was trying not to become, but in the context of the scene the Iron Giant was the best weapon that H had in her disposal, and they needed to use everything they had in order to win and save the Oasis. That doesn't take away from the Iron Giant as a character, since that wasn't him.
I mean wasn't there a gundam why not use that instead. The only reason they used the iron giant specifically in that scene is to pander to whoever was old enough to get the reference. They have a literal weaponized giant robot in this so why use the character known for not wanting to be a weapon as a weapon. While yes it could be a different one lets be real they are referencing the robot we think of when talking about the iron giant not its kind but it specifically. Because nostalgia sells.
Yeah but it doesnt matter if it was Hs last straw big gun, and she DID understand movies message and IGs character arc and maybe even it spoke to her enough she made it her trophy passion project. (A realistical headcanon all things considered) At the end of the day a compuny did stick in there for the awesome ballistic fight at the end. And in the directors QA on the bonus feature portion of disc they kinda strait up admit they wanted as many different media icons as possible as a wheres waldo scenario but instead of waldo its nostalgia and favorite characters from the tv and gaming scenes.
I think its use in Ready Player One actually fits the setting perfectly and is exactly what you'll see if there is no copyright and all IPs are universally available for randos on the Internet to do whatever they want with them. The Iron Giant as a construct WAS built with the weaponry (otherwise it wouldn't have a conflict of trying to be something more than what it was built as), so the weaponry's there. And this isn't the character, just the model, the empty shell without the animated character's personality within it - it's an Internet user making use of it. Though I kinda felt that if they didn't have the lasers/gun used in the battle, just having Iron Giant jumping on Mechagodzilla and fighting to stop/slow Mechagodzilla, sacrificing itself to help everyone? That actually would have worked for the spirit of the character despite still not being the character. Ironically, he's not even supposed to be in the film. He's referenced in the book, but not selected. But Leopardon would fall under Disney's rights and if there's one company Warner Bros. wasn't going to pay for cameos it's Disney.
I'm not defending the corporation or anything, but even from the logic of the film it wasn't the actual Iron Giant. Was it included to pander? Yes. Is it unneeded? Yup. Should he be used in the fight (writting wise)? No. But it's disingenuous to claim that it was actually the Iron Giant. Companies still creating worthless money vacuums, so at least that point still stands painfully high.
Does matter if it was or wasn't. It's still blatant nostalgia bait that's going against what the Iron Giant was all about. Even if it's just the image over the real thing, you can still indirectly harm the real thing if you use the image in a disrespectful manner. Point being: Who cares if it isn't the true Iron Giant? The problems are still the same.
I mean- you literally said it yourself, there's multiple iron giants because they were mass produced weapons. I don't think it's incorrect to depict them in their original purpose. Plus, I don't remember the details but couldn't the one we know have also been as destructive as the others before learning about Earth? I get your point about the pandering film makers/show makers have been doing recently, it's shallow and cheap, but bad example perhaps haha. I thought you were going to say there were making a live action Iron Giant or something.
Originally in the movie that detail of the giant being one of many wasn’t in the movie that detail was re-added in a recent dvd release. Beforehand the giant’s origin were completely unknown.
Animation is my OBSESSION and i have 2 facts about the movie that i love: 1: the iron giant is wade with cgi and the rest of the film is 2d. Its very subtle and it was used to make the iron giant to stand out more and for him to look alien/out place 2: who knows why they did this, but in animation lead animators/a small team of assistants are assigned to 1 or 2 characters to animate. BUT with the iron giant, the animators were assigned to animate diffirent scenes? Its very weird and i havent heard of any other films to really do this,,, either way i think it's cool but the method does leave room for animation errors since its hard to keep each character consistant, but i think it adds to the charm of this movie. I love this movie so much and now i need to watch it again lol
Iron Giant: “I. Am not. A gun.”
Warner Bros: nah lol
I AM SUPERMAN!
Warner Bros: you aren't a gun, you're a fukin cannon
Hey man long time no see.
@@wyattcampbell2077 A multi barrel Gaus Cannon to be precise.
@@GodOfOrphans Nah a boob shooter to be even more precise😂😂
Hollywood really doesn’t get that many things, especially nowadays!
Historic speaking, it never did.
But unlike before it's not geting money as well ;).
@@woaddragon yep history is a funny thing
Case in point: The Dark Knight
The movie: Heroes have to struggle between doing the right thing even though the world is burning around them. They have to struggle between their baser instincts and serving justice, even if the ones they love are put into harm's way. And ultimately show that humans will pick what's right vs the villain trying to prove that everyone is as psychotic and depraved as he is.
What Hollywood saw: dark and gritty make money. Make heroes dark and not good.
all hollywood cares about is the money they can get out of it. its just before they gave off the illusion that they cared about the art.
I’m expecting them to do a remake where they miss the point of the original and have the Giant fight other Giants and go full Transformers. That’s the kind of nonsense they would make. As cool as that sounds, it just doesn’t fit the theme of the character or the story.
@Mr. Goblin
Don't give Warner Bros. ideas, please...?
I mean as a sequel that would be potentially good if done right that’s probably best left for fantasies and fanfiction
Michael Bay: I'll do the remake with my own spin. Trust me, you'll love it 😈
They would hire Michael Bay to do it
If this was a different giant kind robot I would love to see it. Maybe the Iron Giant could accidentally go into rage mode? But even then, the whole point of the movie is basically a complete opposite to "cool big robot make cool big explosion go pew pew"
I love how the Iron Giant can be summed up into many conceptual questions similar to:
World-killing robot, or robot-killing world?
Do guns kill, or do people kill?
I’m gonna say it. It’s the latter
As with all things the answer lies in the middle. Nothing is black and white.
@@sselluoss5935 whats the middle here?
@@skinnybuggo yes guns make it easy to kill people, but most have no desire to go on a shooting rampage. I don't think saying do guns kill people or do people kill people is that easy. Let's face it,even without guns we'd still be killing each other off alot. So, shouldn't blame a tool,but at the same time there's no denial that firearms in the hands of the unstable are a tragedy...so the answer lies somewhere in the middle..if that makes sense....shouldn't take away all guns, and we shouldn't have easy access to so many high capacity ones. Coming to a middle ground on this in today's political climate I fear is impossible however
@@sselluoss5935 yes mental health treatment and prevention of unstable individuals getting guns is the main problem i reckon
I sitll think the combination of the 3D giant and 2D characters really adds to how alien the iron giant is. Literally from a different world that works differently and the fact they make 3D and 2D work together so well really adds to it just as Hogarth is close with the iron giant.
Finally, someone else who understands the cinematic genius of Delgo
Finally/
I was wondering when someone would finally talk about Delgo! :D
@@BethanyHarbaugh saberspark did like a year ago
*d e l g o*
Is it bad that I never heard of Deldo before?
I find it ironic how The Iron Giant was about something that didn't want to do what it was created for in-universe, is now being used by Hollywood as something it wasn't created to represent in real life. How meta.
Even though the guy that was piloting the Iron Giant in Ready Player one was defending his friends which is something The Iron Giant would do
@@mariobadia4553 you really like bringing up the RPO part, where the problem being brought up is that he's fighting at all even when he doesnt want to fight ever, even if its for oasis or whatever
OP misses the point on this in ready player one. That's not THE iron giant. It was built by someone, a replica, and made for exactly what they wanted him for -- fighting on the good side against the corporation. OP is taking this way too literally. Again, not the same iron giant.
Oh boy I can't wait until Hollywood gets the idea of doing something with "Grandma got run over by a reindeer" after Cartoon Network spammed it every December.
Always found that concept fucked up.
@@fudgen.a1249 They gonna sue the pants offa Santa~ That's a what they gonna do~ They gonna sue the pants offa Santa~ Cause that's what Grandpa wanted to~
Oh God that sequence was terrible.
There is already a horrible animated film about it
What's "Grandma got run over by a reindeer"?
@@RenaDeles Yes, that's what I'm referring to.
Iron Giant is literally America's Evangelion. I'm not even joking. The entire thing is about love, understanding, and the tragedy of human-on-human violence. But people just miss it entirely and go, "WOW COOL GIANT ROBOT!!"
I loved both of the shows however iron giant is criminally underrated. I really wish it got a modern adaptation like Neon Genesis
It's not really America's though. The original story is set in England. The Iron Giant is the Hollywood version.
@@raprice79 xd
@Pindé Oh come on. Haven't you ever wanted to pilot a monster by going back into your mom?
@Pindé It sucked so much that it was ultra important for the evolution of anime in it's time.
The Iron giant was built to be a weapon, and there was more than one of them. It being used as such in Ready Player One, while disrespectful, was still consistent. It's also within video game modding context, which tends to be notorious for breaking character.
See also: Gmods
So, in no way was it disrespectful
They should of just made the gundam fight the mecha godzilla the whole time cause it's a fucking gundam
That's what happened in the book!
I haven't seen RP1, but Sunrise owns Gundam, if they couldn't get Ultraman I doubt they would shell out money for Shining Gundam either.
It could have been a megazord from any of the seasons there is, specially THE FIRST megazord
@@dr.velious5411 They have the original Gundam for the movie, my friend is a Gundam fanboy and he loved that fight.
Me, it should have been Gipsy Danger from Pacific Rim.
Not only is it a robot from a WB movie but it LITERALLY FIGHTS KAIJU ALREADY
3:38 The tragic event happened a year before the film was released. Also, The Iron Giant was based off of a novel by Ted Hughes for his kids to comfort them after their mother's suicide
Finally, someone said that it was based off a book. Thank you.
@@thevan1679 Your welcome. I did not know it was based off of a book until I looked up Iron Giant's Wikipedia article
@@multilad816 Yeah, I think we shouldn't forget that it was based off a book, because it's important to look at how the message of the movie differs from the message of the book in a somewhat contradictory way.
Christ, imagine being Ted Hughes' kids and knowing what the Iron Giant meant, just to see it used in this way. Shameful what Hollywood did to it.
Even sadder
Imagine having multiple adaptations of The Iron Giant just killing and smashing and being Evil. That's what's it's like being Superman fan now a days. In this terrible time full of terrible people we just want someone good so bad but no.
Yay I made it through the hole video without someone that doesn't have a profile pic telling me how stupid i am
(Me, a Star Trek fan) First time, eh?
@@WobblesandBean what did they do with the series recently (asking as someone who only got into the original series a few weeks ago)?
God, that’s such a good comparison. Superman has been portrayed so horribly in films and games in recent years. Only the cartoons and comics still portray him as a good guy.!
It has become a sour joke now, Superman Bad and evil, Meanwhile Batman is always the hero and has to stop him. Even though Batman is very likely got a bigger chance of going off the deep end and into a killer. But No they always got to get Batman as hero, Superman bad and Batman is always prepared and wins that at this Point calling Batman just a man is a joke.
As a child the electrocution scene traumatized me, haha. Now that I’m older I adore that movie even more. The Iron Giant was a special part of my childhood.
A great idea I remember hearing about how the iron giant could've ACTUALLY been used in Ready Player 1 was by having the villain use the Iron Giant to fight people instead of mecha godzilla because he could only see how powerful its' weapons were, meanwhile the players who understand the actual heart and soul of these properties knew how to fix that and make the giant peaceful again. Using their greater understanding of what these characters actually are to fight the villain instead of his more closed perception of just grabbing the strongest things he could get and throwing them at his opponents.
This movie and Transformers really did kindle my love for giant robots and the mecha genre in general. I’m glad that it’s getting the respect it deserve, but I hate how WB only uses the property as a nostalgia ploy.
they literally could have had an optimus vs megatron battle in rpo ,,, probably gross micheal bay versions tho
Same! Giant robot characters are amazing, but I personally love it whenever they show them being gentle Giants or feeling emotions way more than just fighting.
@@captaincronus3958 Exactly. That would have been awesome to see, or maybe Omega Supreme to make Mechagodzilla fight someone his own size.
Titanfall is all that keeps my love for Mechs alive
"I. Am not. A gun." Makes me cry erry time man
Liek if you cri everytim
Hollywood has turned the clever use of metatextuality to draw connections between the themes and symbols of different works and into nothing more than nostalgia bait, what should I expect from a system that sees art as nothing more than a means for profit
Most artists see art as a means of profit. Do you think Da Vinci painted just for the love of it? Mozart didn't want any money and fame? None of the modern day bands, actors, or artists that you like want to make money off their art?
Artists are in a business. Hollywood and the mass audience is the patron just as rich people, kings, and the church have always been the patrons.
@@Laneous14 I disagree, OP is saying that when artists sacrifice their artistic vision for creating something that will be more profitable then the art suffers.
While it's true that artists want to survive off their art, most would not sacrifice their vision for what is popular. If you look at artists who have been the most influential on popular culture they were mostly uncompromising in their art. People can tell when something is made by committee and they can tell when someone is trying to appeal to mass consensus. There is a reason Shrek is loved and the live action Disney movies are not.
And in response to Mozart, he was literally playing piano before the age of 6, did he start playing 'for the money?' or did he figure out he could make money with his art later in life?
Da Vinci created lots of things he wasn't paid for, all of his work is not contained in his commissioned paintings. Why would he do any of that if profit was his motivator?
I feel like the Iron Giant in Ready Player One kinda gets a pass, being a character avatar after all, but couldve been preformed better. I just hope the Iron Giant acts more like in their movie in the new Space Jam movie
Not really, IMO. I think had it maybe been a summon character and not a souless power-up then it would have been better, a summon that was a tank. One that took damage and once enough damage to allies was dealt it attacks like he did in the movie after Hogarth was harmed to the point that he though he was dead.
@@Taygon45 The problem with adaptations these days is that most of them don’t care about making changes that have logic to it.
still, it kinda proves that the players didn’t understand the message of the movie, despite that they are attempting to make the point that they do and the big corporations don’t.
The new space jam just copy/pasted RP1 Iron giant 🤣. It even has the unfinished leg. 0 effort
@@ErgoProxy12345 dude why would the character care about the message? Imagine getting Goku, he always wants to wait till his opponent was at their most powerful till they fight, if you got to play as Goku in a game would you do the same? It doesn't really matter
"What if a gun had a soul and didn't want to be a gun?"
Have you ever read the manga "Battle Angel Alita?" It asks a similar question.
WB has a huge problem with misunderstanding the source material. This and the Snyderverse are HUGE examples of this
DC is far more malleable than the Iron Giant though
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 yeah, but when the mainstream version of Batman is a psycho murderer and superman is a cynic, we have a problem
I think defending Snyder isn’t a great idea. He looked at the decades of history of characters like Superman and Batman and decided that realistically they would kill, launder money, and abuse their power because SUPERHEROS being good people doing the right thing was and I quote “fucking stupid and ridiculous”
@@Vegitodraws Sounds like the Golden Age to me
@@cookieelement3467 Since when?
I still really love the early-zeroes CGI/hand-drawn mixed aesthetic. The Iron Giant, Road to El Dorado, Titan AE, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, etc. Somehow, the juxtaposition of the two created a perfect canvas with seemingly unlimited possibility to my young mind, where the CGI handled the large-scale stuff, and the 2D cel animators took care of the smaller human moments.
I genuinely looked forward to a point when videogames would look like that. Yes, I am still bitter.
Dust: an Elysian Tale comes kinda close to that aesthetic at least in terms of how the 2D and 3D meld together. The art style in terms of environment and character design is nothing like the mid 00's style but it does come pretty close to that 2D and 3D splicing. It's also just a damned good indie game period so maybe worth checking out if you haven't already?
I've never seen or heard someone use describe the early 2000s as the early-zeroes. I think I might use that phrase in the future if you don't mind. Wasn't the Iron Giant from the late nineties? Even though I never got the chance to see those movies as a kid, but as a somewhat pessimistic adult, I agree with this post.
This is a great flick. Nowadays they’re putting the iron giant in everything like space jam 2 or ready player one
As long as he doesn't shoot anyone in the former, I'm good.
I'm really not feeling it. Hollywood slowly disappoints as time goes on. The old movies deserve better
Yeah I liked the fact he was in ready player one when it came out but when I learned the iron giant was made because Brad Bird's sister was murdered due to gun violence I was just like... Why did you make him another big gun robot?
@@robbiemcneish4459 true that
@@robbiemcneish4459 the worst part is the Iron Hiant was a replacement for another hero who was in legal hell at the time
It's kinda sad to know that you didn't get to see this when you were younger, I used to have it on DVD (or maybe VHS I'm fuzzy on it) I'm pretty sure we accidentally stole it from the last blockbuster in our area and I would watch it over and over again. I remember crying every time at the end like it was the first time I watched it. It's such a beautiful movie and I am glad it was a part of my childhood.
The Iron Giant in Ready Player One was just an avatar for a player. It was exactly as meaningful to its core character as Ugandan Knuckles was to actual Knuckles.
Ohno
It was cool to see how he can fight who cares
@@FAITHFULQRX thats… uh… the point of the video.
@@interlouper I mean dude Ready player one is what happens when throw a toy box at itself it's jammed full of references that make no fucking sense thematically to their original works but it's about being a giant spectical it's literally as meaningful as there being Iron Giant toys
@@michaelkeha yeah alright
Geez, the iron Giant was such a great movie. We honestly need more like it. While I am a big nerd and love seeing franchises added on to, I'd love to see more stand alone films that have something to say without beating you over the head with it. I think that's why people love to see stuff like Pixar movies because they can stand on their own two legs without help from the history of a franchise.
Absolutely agree. I don’t like how everything nowadays needs to be an expansive universe with intricate lore. Sometimes it’s better to have characters with completed arcs and questions unanswered, as it’s the stories that have a definite beginning, middle, and end that truly stick with us.
Listen, I like remembering things and seeing them come back but nostalgia's a drug and sometimes a terrible one. Corporations don't seem to know this or moreso they do but don't care cause it sells. I'm fine with bringing something back, just give the true respect it deserves. That's why I'm not really looking forward to Space Jam 2. It doesn't feel like a continuation of Space Jam or anything super interesting. It feels like nostalgia bait because Space Jam 1 was a hit and people loved it.
Space Jam 2 isn't even nostalgia bait. It was made for two reasons. One, so Warner Bros. can shoehorn as many of their non-Looney Tunes properties into one movie, similar to what Disney did with Wreck-it Ralph 2. And two, so LeBron James has something to boost his ego because of how desperate he is to be exactly like Jordan.
who the hell likes space jam?
i dont remember hearing anyone say how good it was
i constantly hear about how its garbage.
@@Boomrainbownuke9608 We found the one without a childhood.
Corporations are souless. Profit is the only rule. Everything else is just a tool or a variable.
That debatable..on how "good" it is, and that coming from a fan.
I hope the Iron Giant is just an audience member in Space Jam 2
Yeah, honestly it's better to not even give them the chance to fuck it up at this point.
I think it'd be okay if he played some B-Ball, it would kinda fit in with the whole personality thing. At least better than ready player one shoot shoot kill kill iron giant.
Won't you look at that..
I’d say iron giant in “ready player 1” is acceptable as it’s basically a playable character.
I played as Elmo who had ninja skills and could throw knives while fighting samurai at a music concert in a video game.
Everything else I could agree on.
Exactly
Wtf is that game even called i wanna play that shit
I remember in the 2000s when Blockbuster was still around, I rented this movie when I was about 7-8 years old. It's been a gem of my childhood ever since.
WHERE'S THE GIANT, MANSLEY?!
*looks back at the current state of Hollywood*
Imagine the Iron Giant being made by Pixar as They did with The Incredibles.
Fun Fact: The Incredibles considered to be made by WB animation feature before it closed and Brad Bird move to Pixar
It would be 3D and not 2D i think of it was made by pixar
i think i'd rather have it in 2d with only the giant in 3d because it makes it feel like he doesn't belong
Delgo: "My time of ironic vindication has come!"
when it comes to ready player one, it *is* a video game world. And, if I remember correctly, they say 'you have *an* iron giant?'
This implies there are multiple iron giants in ready player one, and it's simply some sort of rare item in the game world. Which doesn't even go against the movie, where iron giants are originally units built to ruin planets.
If it happened in any other setting than a game world i'd pretty ticked off about it. Space jam was somewhat annoying with it tho
Or...you know....WB doesn't care because it's their made up IP and they can do what they please with it. You and others are looking way too much into this
@@sselluoss5935 No he's not. He's 100% correct. This video doesn't get that in RP1 the iron giant isn't the same iron giant, and it isn't even reality lol.
Yup! You got it, and that's what this video totally misses.
The use of the Iron Giant in Ready Player One and Space Jam 2 never fails to usher my cynicism.
When it came out, Warner Bros thought it was crap and threw it under the bus.
Now, when they want the money in your wallet, you bet your life he'll be leading the nostalgic fan service parade.
Like someone made a Monkey's Paw wish to make something obscure Popular.
Even when I like something, I point out ways that it could be better. The fact that that's now seen as negativity can be rather depressing. I especially get flack for pointing out things like cheap humor or nostalgia baiting. I'm glad videos like this exist.
It's like people forgot that enjoyment =/= quality, and by extension that guilty pleasures are a thing. One can love something and still admit it's flawed and even outright bad.
@@GodOfOrphans This is the reason fanfiction and other fan materials exist in the first place. The original work needs to interest you enough to hook you in, but exploring all the "what ifs" can be as engaging as the canon, or even more.
@@GodOfOrphans Even your own writing evolves over time as your skills and life experiences come into play, you'll eventually look back on a project and pick it apart and consider the things that you would've added to it. That's how creativity works
@@Mochitachi70 I can think of two very popular examples of things that have been reworked time and time again: Alice in Wonderland and Sherlock Holmes. They both have big following through one reboot or another. Hell, one of my favorite Manga series is actually based off an Alice in Wonderland otome that got greenlit for a Shojo series, and there are more otomes based off Alice in Wonderland than any other story concept I can think of, just off the top of my head. Sherlock Holmes has an otome game too, now that I think about it.
@@DefectoDepressoEspresso Been taking a few casual stabs at storytelling myself and I can already look back at ideas I had previously and cringe, and this is just from an unprofessional casual standpoint, I haven't ever posted or published anything yet.
Its about time someone says it! Its kind of funny how WB is now shoving him in stuff when back in the day they were the reason the movie didn't do well intially.
I feel like over the years as people become less and less critical or passionate, things just become more simplified and more marketable because at some point Your favorite super hero is just a logo and not a character.
Lol if anything people are MORE critical, you have far more amateur critics running around.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 If that were so, more people would be able to call out the rampant nostalgia baiting Hollywood has been carrying out recently, and refusing to buy tickets.
@@pepperedash4424 people are becoming less critical, but those that are critical are more vocal about it.
@@waluigiisthebest2802 That I can agree with.
The layman is becoming more complacent while the psuedo intellectuals are becoming more insufferable.
Funny story actually, when Covid was settling last year my mother and I went to our local theater because they were reshowing Iron Giant. Theater was almost full to capacity.
The only reason that I find ready player 1's giant fine is because it could be one of the many other giants that were mentioned in the original film, however I do agree, Hollywood should do some more research before using old characters
WB doesn't need too...they own it. They can do whatever they please with the IP
@@sselluoss5935 well in that case thats even worse. they should give more respect to their own creations
@@emeraldhamster they don't care about anything but profit man. It's sad.
If they can't make $ off it they don't care about childhood favorites
@@sselluoss5935 oh I know but they should
Ofc they wouldnt since Hollywood loves to bait its audience with Nostalgia and barely anyone saw it when it came out
which is depressing Iron Giant is one of the best movies ever :(
It flopped hard. It is now a beloved movie. It was also the last paper movie
@@jagsdomain203 What the hell is a paper movie? If you mean 2d hand drawn animation it definitely wasn't the last one of those.
@@thegreatfusili4673 paper animation.
After that everything wwnt CGI
Me having only read the book: That's cool, love the idea behind it, the themes are still the same.
The Iron Giant was my fucking childhood. I still get excited to watch it, and still cry like a bitch over it as an adult. Hearing the Giant's screams of pain when he was stuck in the powerlines still makes me have the exact same amount of urgency to scream "HELP HIM!!!" now at almost 24 as it did when I was 5.
i was fine with it in ready player one because its just a item there is no Non player Ai of advanced quality it was basically eqivalent to somone using a iron giant model in vr chat it wasnt the actual giant or a mimicry of him but the others do tick me off abit because they imply the giant is well THE GIANT as in the same character
I remember seeing The Iron Giant. However I never stopped to think about any deeper messages. I was a kid that liked the movie with a touching ending. And today I learned something new.
5:30
to be fair, there's a fight going on, the Iron Giant would be a useful ally to have in said fight, and none of the characters who have stakes in that fight are going to care much for the irony and symbolism when it happens.
6:32 if only there was a iron giant shaped robot that loves war from a pop culture series
**cough cough liberty prime cough cough**
Man I hate ready player one, it feels like it’s written from the perspective of someone who has a vague idea of what modern video games are but hasn’t actually played one since the early 90’s.
ready player one was just a contest to fit as many pop culture icons in it as possible to appeal to as many fans as possible to get as many viewers as possible
@@archmageofpizzamancy2471 agreed…man remember when Spielberg was an artist? After this and the BFG he’s lost his filmmaking street cred.
@Tom Ffrench how?
@Tom Ffrench oh
@Tom Ffrench yup after that he made films like Schindler’s list and saving private Ryan because the reception effected him that much. It’s sad to think because his old violent films were super fun.
I loved this movie too when i was a kid, i even got the artbook a few years ago and i was baffled to read how much work was put behind the CG to make it fit together with the overall 2d animated artstyle of the movie.
i feel like ready player one didnt use the iron gigant as the character itself, considering its the avatar of one of the character
they dont have the same personality because its not the same "person"
its like going into vr chat and doing stuff with any of the avatars, you can be in character if you want to but its probably not gonna happen most of the time
it was a reference, not a cameo
Like Damn Hollywood the iron giant even said himself: “I am not a gun”
6:33
Actually, it was an even more obscure pick. Leopardon from the old sentai with Spider-Man. Obviously, Spider-man and Leopardon are owned by Disney and they aren't going to let Warner Bros. use those characters.
Marvel Studio might make a Leopardon Movie, so they can Parody the Monsterverse.
Was he? I think he was in the book but was he in that final battle? I remember my brother told me it was ultraman I know kikaider was in that book
The film rights are actually owned by Sony, but to use Leopardon they'd have to get the rights from Toei
The Iron Giant has been my absolute favorite thing pretty much all my life, I'd watch it over and over whenever I could growing up and you couldn't get me to look away. I can recite the whole thing word for word by heart. It's even where I got my new name, Hogarth :) It shaped my outlook on life, how its ones self who gets to choose who they are and that we aren't simply who others say we're supposed to be. I took so much comfort in the line "souls to die" that it eased the pain of my grandpas passing, and it continues to help me cope with death still to this day. As a kid I wanted so badly for it to get more recognition, for it to touch people like it did me. Seeing the Giant used as what feels like a cheap nostalgia grab by the same people that made it *flunk* at his debut and seeing them warp the meaning of his whole character hurts me on a personal level. kinda makes me wanna fistfight hollywood ngl
Well, at least the Scooby Doo x Courage crossover seems genuine.
And it makes sense, like strangely the TMNT and Batman one
Funnily enough, there was an old bumper between Scooby and Courage, so it’s not as strange as you think.
@@qwertysub2038 I know people are going to hate me for it, but I do agree that adaptations should have changes that make sense, rather than changes that don’t; I didn’t like the original Disney Jungle Book movie because of it; mostly with how Mowgli and Shere Khan are portrayed.
Walt, when he was alive, had no sense of respect for making Mowgli into a boy willing to chose who he is in the end, but instead made him into a pinball rolling around different locations and bumping into different people. Shere Khan isn’t any better, because he doesn’t kill anyone at all, made worse in the sequel where he brutally attacked Lucky the Vulture, and yet he laughs it off like it was nothing when finding Shere Khan inside a statue head’s mouth.
Mowgli’s Story and the 2015 reboot fixed what Walt broke, by actually taking cues from the source material (Rudyard Kipling’s books), and made Mowgli into a boy who learns of the jungle life and doing his own thing, while Shere Khan actually kills someone to show he means business. These are something that I think people seem to forget, that these stories were based on pre-existing stories. Now, on the flip side, Walt did make an adaptation while respecting the original author; and that’s with 101 Dalmatians. Most of the cues from the original book was kept, including a car chase back home to escape Cruella. It’s the opposite of what Walt had to deal with for Mary Poppins.
Now I know some modern adaptations don’t sit well with a lot of people, but I will bring up an example that I’m sure I could shed some light on, with an adaptation that has both a change that made sense and a change that doesn’t: the Lorax. One change that made sense (aside from the Lorax being voiced by Danny Devito to emphasize the book’s “sharpish and bossy” description of his voice) was the Onceler being a human. The problem with many people not understanding the original book was that the Onceler was made to represent humans who were filled with dreams, but also lack a sense of responsibility; in other words, he wasn’t destroying the environment just because, but rather he doesn’t realize how much we need the flora to give us homes and clean air. So, the Onceler being a human, for better or for worse, did make sense in the context of the source material, especially when the book said he wears gloves. The one change I hate about the movie was turning the town that was desolate in the book into a town that’s plastic and fake, which is run by a 1-dimensional villain. If the town remained desolate, like the book showed without any verbal description, then Ted’s reason to get a tree for Audrey would’ve been much stronger.
Bottom line, Hollywood should stop putting in changes that don’t make sense in the context of the original source material.
Who's here after the Official Cinematic trailer for MultiVersus?
Warner Bros owns Pacific Rim. Pacific Rim was super popular and came out before Ready Player One. Gypsy Danger would honestly fit the Iron Giant role just as well.
I dont neccesarily agree with the whole thing about it damaging the originals reputation as long as the character is just a reference but I do agree that its disrespectful to its history
Even the nostalgia bait just rings true cause lets be honest: Thats what it is, you cant really deny it
Imo, the ready player one portion could probably be debunked as the whole "its not really the iron giant its just a player in an iron giant avatar", like, if someone in a link avatar in vrchat came up to me and called me the n word, I wouldn't take that as the character of link being racist, I would take that as some bozo dressed up as link in a video game being racist
It’s like if someone modded smash bros to play as spongebob “spongebob wouldn’t punch Mario to the moon” dude…I think they know this
I'd like to think that it was one of the same machines that the iron giant was apart of.
Artemis does say “A iron giant” not “THE iron giant”
Yeah, this is probably one of the things I disagree about Just Stop. In the clips he shows it even has the guy who is controlling the avatar.
@@CurtyTails like people complaining Zelda punching Link off a cliff in smashbros
12:35 Remember when Cartoon Network rebooted HB characters as adult swim shows and it was glorious? (I mean I've only seen Space Ghost Coast to Coast and Harvey Birdman, haven't seen Sealab 20... 21... Wait a second...)
That's because the writers for those shows were huge animation nerds and understood exactly the kind of themes they were parodying and paying homage to. Venture Bros for instance, stands on it's own, while also completing taking the piss out of Johnny Quest and the boy adventurer genre.
Part of that was because they started writing Birdman (I think that was the first one of those HB parodies), and while writing they realized they had all the usage rights for the old HB characters, then gave us the absolute gems that were Space Ghost: C2C, Harvey Birdman: AaL, Sealab, and one other that focused on one of Space Ghost's side-characters that I can't remember the name of.
@@sluttyMapleSyrup There were two spinoffs, Cartoon Planet and Brak Show. I personally didn't know Carton Planet existed back then and I never watched Brak Show.
Also Space Ghost Coast to Coast came first on a regular timeslot, got canceled, then came back on Adult Swim.
Also IIRC, Coast to Coast was technically a spinoff of an old viewer request block that JBVO replaced. IDK, I did find out that JBVO itself _also_ had a UK-exclusive spinoff I never heard of before called Toon:FM which co-starred Brak for some reason.
@@mattwo7 Yes, The Brak Show! I only saw a couple episodes and it was drier than the sahara. Space Ghost was more fun to watch lol
Ah, I got Adult Swim shows through Teletoon, because Canada, so all the Hanna Barbara parodies got picked up simultaneously.
@@sluttyMapleSyrup Yea... Brak is a "cinnamon roll" but he's not very funny.
I was just happy to see the iron giant make an appearance. Nostalgia pandering is definitely a problem.
I tried to think of the most harmless thing. Something I loved from my childhood. Something that could never ever possibly destroy us. Mr. Stay Puft!
the only one i can accept was it being in ready player one bc if a world like that existed i would guess that would be a actual item
The main theme of the movie; "You are how you choose to be"
Get it right, Warner Bros!
That's Hollyweird! (sigh.:(
Hollywood respecting source material woukd be the breaking news.
Iron Giant: "You stay, I go, no following."
Warner: "Pfft! No."
I wouldn't mind seeing the iron giant playing basketball, half court dunking on some aliens.
Man I watched this movie alot when I was a kid.
Same I think I watch it over or maybe 40 or 60times maybe (not actually accurate but you get what I mean iv seen it alot too)😅and then my family watch it a bunch too.😂😅
The only remake from Disney I really enjoyed was the Ducktales reboot
Hollywood is about to ruin Avatar the Last Airbender twice thanks to Netflix.
At least this one will be a wreck of a different kind.
@@normanclatcher I hope it'll be good, but since the original creators of Avatar have abandoned the project, my expectations aren't very high
I hope Katara lecturs Aang about his straight, white privilege while standing among the bones of Aang's entire people.
@@Laneous14 I think they said he'll be Asain. They want a white free cast.
@@Laneous14 Funny enough, the comics actually deal with post-colonialism and the death of her and Aang's cultures at the hands of "progress".
Well ready player on wasn't using iron giants character as it was just a skin for the character in the movie to wear. It would be like people being upset that someone uses an iron man mod to go on rampages in gta.
"You are who you choose to be...you choose" is one of the greatest lines I can remember. That being said, and I agree about using any other mecha in the RP1 fight, WHY NOT USE KIRYU/MECHAGODZILLA 3...THE "PROTECTOR" MECHAGODZILLA TO FIGHT THE "EVIL" GODZILLA (or Mecha-Godzilla 1 (I say 1 because of the finger missles)???
What if I WANT to be a gun, Hogarth? You said I can choose, so I choose to be a gun. Lol.
11:55 He also made a career out of sucking at making sequels. I don't even care if the "black superman" is Kal-El, I just care that that movie doesn't get a sequel.
In regards to the addition of the iron giant in ready player one. The Iron Giant was actually a mech that could've been obtained in the novel but never was. My guess is that they wanted to keep something from the novel and mindlessly pander (sorry I got my facts wrong a few times when writing this comment)
The Iron Giant and the characterization of said character is a HUGE pivotal concept that's literally a part of a LOT of worldbuilding I do.
Hollywood needs to understand that taking a popular icon and putting it in a film doesn't mean jack shit if y'aint doing it right.
WB: “hey. Remember that one robot who’s main purpose is NOT to fight? Yea. We’re gonna put him in our movies & games. & the only thing he’s gonna do is fight? Ik. Genius right?”
You can tell from how the Iron Giant was marketed that WB wanted this to fail.
Disney did the same to Treasure Planet. It seems these studios have a thing against passion projects, even though they're often the best films because of the care and love behind them.
@@sluttyMapleSyrup Exactly
@@sluttyMapleSyrup honestly I think it makes sense because those who work on passion projects are likely to go against their corporate masters. And sometimes that doesn’t mean money . Look at how Brad Bird did for the marketing after the Iron Giant.
@@garybrown2039 But it usually means a better quality project. Treasure Island was a great movie, but it was denied production five times by the executives, and even when it was finally greenlit, it was sabotaged in marketing and release; coming out between massive Christmas movies and having some of the major plot twists spoiled _in the trailers._
Like, imagine a Tarantino film with corporate interference. Okay, maybe there'd be less foot shots, but how it deals with any philosophical ideas, literary tropes, etc. it brings up would be neutered too.
10:53 Is that King Kong fist bumping Iron Giant?!
Well now I am worried about King Kong being misused in that film. He worked well enough in RPO but this is a bit... EHH?
Wasn’t the context in Ready Player One that The Iron Giant was helping to defend The Oasis? And the player that was piloting the Giant was trying to help and defend their friends?
Now I need to rewatch it just to see if this is the case
@@odstvlogs yeah it's literally a suit one of the main characters is wearing for a power up. The whole point is that all the the people in the movie are wearing AVATARS. It's like people running around in vrchat as link or megatron.
Yeah it's almost like this guy didn't watch the movie and only watched that single clip of it
@@mickyflint I swear this guy didn't even watch the movie so he has no idea about the context
I was gonna say, i haven't fully seen the movie, but even i know that the whole shtick of Iron Giant in RP1 was that it was an avatar
I remember getting to see the iron giant in an old vintage theatre in my city, they even played a special feature from the movie called “the giants dream” i think? It was cool and i still cherish the memory
At least someone actually understands why people get angry when you fuck with a beloved property.
I do really enjoy ready player one, mostly because most of the time, nostalgia is used as a means to communicate some kind of parallel with the movie's theme (minecraft being the first thing seen in the oasis referencing its infinite possibilities, the big bad corporation boss using mecha godzilla which was created to be a cashgrab type "godzilla but bigger and better" showcasing his lack of understanding of the people he's trying to pander to), but I'll admit that the Iron Giant always bugged me in that department. Ultraman made more sense, because it would have been a Kaiju battle between a planet saving hero and a soulless copy of a beloved character that does not understand the original meaning of its source (the dangers of nuclear weaponry).
Ready Player One had the Iron Giant as a husk yes- but it was less of a robot and more of a suit. It is just a pop culture reference, however its not a robot its a suit, so the real thing for the worries, is Space Jam 2
Also the guy piloting it was defending his friend which is something The Iron Giant would do.
Yeah I agree...the ready player one is a bit different.
this guy might as well take his crusade to VR chat... Cause it's pretty much the same. Its People just using skins. Have you ever seen Piglet from Winnie the Pooh in any other media, Glorifying Double Suicide and then jumps from a building? "Oh no it's destroying my childhood".
@@DeathkaiserG It's only bad because a big corporation did it!
I know you get into this at the 7:00 mark, but I still disagree on its usage in Ready Player One being an inherently bad thing. In this particular context, the Iron Giant is not a character in his own right, nor was this creation ever in the story. The actions this Iron Giant replica makes (which is established as a remote-controlled replica) do not reflect the character of the Iron Giant from his movie. He’s pretty well disassociated from that in the narrative.
I recognize you more mean its use is indicative of poor studio intent (I don’t disagree there), but I could probably create a similar argument as far as the narrative is concerned for, say, King Kong in this movie as opposed to some of his recent interpretations.
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This should be pinned. Great take
This. Couldn't agree more.
Yeah i completely agree with this! Ready Player One is a "VRchat" movie, those are like "in game models" that people create to use them. Like a mascot suit but digital.
and hello there's more giants. so Iron shouldn't be the only robot. also the player in the giant is the good guy. now pointing two facts it's not all together bad in ready player one.
The Iron Giant is one my favorite movies of all time, and I grew up with it (being born in 2000). I would be lying if I were saying I wasn't thrilled to see it back on the big screen, but that doesn't mean I'm happy with its portrayal. I agree with you.
Iron Giant will always be Vin Diesels greatest performance.
I loved this movie when I was little. In fact this maybe where I first heard about superman
Figured the iron giant post on Twitter was hinting towards a video on this but I was kinda expecting a review ngl
Not only Iron Giant... Ready player one misused the legend herself - my lovely girl DeLorean.
Wait, how hard could it be to fuck up a car that can travel through time?!
@@ArendAlphaEagle It completely fucks up time, hence why we got the Back to the Future sequels.
Ikr? Is just a baseless cameo
@@ArendAlphaEagle They just put her like a custom car for protagonist. No comments. Like he just buy this car by microtransaction.
@@dr.insaneoiv lol, sequels are good. No idea why people didnt like the films. They are perfect and well made.
Even the 3rd.
He does realise Brad Bird enjoyed the appearance of The Iron Giant I’m Ready Player One right?
Damn good video, perfectly puts into words how I've been feeling towards corporate driven nostalgia.
I don't really like Ready Player One as much as the next person but I think you forgot that the main setting of the film is a virtual reality game and every character that a person chooses is basically an empty husk
You can basically play as Winnie holding a machine gun, it wouldn't make sense how the character is officially depicted but in a setting that has "limitless" potential it technically fits.
What's wrong with ready player one
@@clarencehemphill3403 As far as the movie goes, just underwhelming and the setting of the Oasis felt very restrictive
@@BrontoSmilodon1 restrictive? Did it feel like not much was there or could be done
I forgot the Dumbo remake was a thing until I saw this...
About his appearance in "Ready Player One", that wasn't the actual Iron Giant, but rather someone piloting a copy of the Giant. It actually makes sense, since the Iron Giant is a robot that possesses powerful weapons and can be useful in a war. I am aware that's what the Iron Giant was trying not to become, but in the context of the scene the Iron Giant was the best weapon that H had in her disposal, and they needed to use everything they had in order to win and save the Oasis. That doesn't take away from the Iron Giant as a character, since that wasn't him.
Yeah I was looking for this comment
I mean wasn't there a gundam why not use that instead. The only reason they used the iron giant specifically in that scene is to pander to whoever was old enough to get the reference. They have a literal weaponized giant robot in this so why use the character known for not wanting to be a weapon as a weapon. While yes it could be a different one lets be real they are referencing the robot we think of when talking about the iron giant not its kind but it specifically. Because nostalgia sells.
Yeah but it doesnt matter if it was Hs last straw big gun, and she DID understand movies message and IGs character arc and maybe even it spoke to her enough she made it her trophy passion project. (A realistical headcanon all things considered) At the end of the day a compuny did stick in there for the awesome ballistic fight at the end. And in the directors QA on the bonus feature portion of disc they kinda strait up admit they wanted as many different media icons as possible as a wheres waldo scenario but instead of waldo its nostalgia and favorite characters from the tv and gaming scenes.
Thanks for this
I think its use in Ready Player One actually fits the setting perfectly and is exactly what you'll see if there is no copyright and all IPs are universally available for randos on the Internet to do whatever they want with them.
The Iron Giant as a construct WAS built with the weaponry (otherwise it wouldn't have a conflict of trying to be something more than what it was built as), so the weaponry's there. And this isn't the character, just the model, the empty shell without the animated character's personality within it - it's an Internet user making use of it.
Though I kinda felt that if they didn't have the lasers/gun used in the battle, just having Iron Giant jumping on Mechagodzilla and fighting to stop/slow Mechagodzilla, sacrificing itself to help everyone? That actually would have worked for the spirit of the character despite still not being the character.
Ironically, he's not even supposed to be in the film. He's referenced in the book, but not selected. But Leopardon would fall under Disney's rights and if there's one company Warner Bros. wasn't going to pay for cameos it's Disney.
The reason I like him appearing in anything is because I didn’t know he got popular so I’m just happy to seen him get The attention it deserves
I'm not defending the corporation or anything, but even from the logic of the film it wasn't the actual Iron Giant.
Was it included to pander? Yes.
Is it unneeded? Yup.
Should he be used in the fight (writting wise)? No.
But it's disingenuous to claim that it was actually the Iron Giant.
Companies still creating worthless money vacuums, so at least that point still stands painfully high.
Does matter if it was or wasn't. It's still blatant nostalgia bait that's going against what the Iron Giant was all about. Even if it's just the image over the real thing, you can still indirectly harm the real thing if you use the image in a disrespectful manner.
Point being: Who cares if it isn't the true Iron Giant? The problems are still the same.
He actually brought up your point in video, man.
I mean- you literally said it yourself, there's multiple iron giants because they were mass produced weapons. I don't think it's incorrect to depict them in their original purpose. Plus, I don't remember the details but couldn't the one we know have also been as destructive as the others before learning about Earth?
I get your point about the pandering film makers/show makers have been doing recently, it's shallow and cheap, but bad example perhaps haha. I thought you were going to say there were making a live action Iron Giant or something.
Originally in the movie that detail of the giant being one of many wasn’t in the movie that detail was re-added in a recent dvd release. Beforehand the giant’s origin were completely unknown.
The moment you reminded the Lion King Remake is currently the HIGHEST grossing animated film of ALL time, a part of me cried a little inside...
Animation is my OBSESSION and i have 2 facts about the movie that i love:
1: the iron giant is wade with cgi and the rest of the film is 2d. Its very subtle and it was used to make the iron giant to stand out more and for him to look alien/out place
2: who knows why they did this, but in animation lead animators/a small team of assistants are assigned to 1 or 2 characters to animate. BUT with the iron giant, the animators were assigned to animate diffirent scenes? Its very weird and i havent heard of any other films to really do this,,, either way i think it's cool but the method does leave room for animation errors since its hard to keep each character consistant, but i think it adds to the charm of this movie. I love this movie so much and now i need to watch it again lol
The Iron Giant in RPO isn't actually the character. It's just an action figure, like the other property references.