2014 Non Runner Vivaro 1.6 CDTI Spares or Repair PT 1
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- Welcome to the Salvage Rebuilds UK channel. In this video we purchase a new non runner project.
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I really should have said in the video the first thing we did was plug it in and read the codes and run some live dater on crank it’s got good fuel pressure. 👍
Are you getting an engine speed signal from the crank sensor? Also check cam position sensor too. These engines will run without the cam sensor but it can cause them to run badly. No signal from the crank position sensor and you’ll see no rpm on the diag when cranking. Not that I’m telling you guys how to suck eggs! 🐣
What scanner did you use rob? Because if your using a cheap £60 eBay special it won’t read all the ecus and you’ll only be getting half the picture. All those messages on the dash, you must of had loads of codes in every ecu, especially with a flat battery. I would highly recommend a autel mk808 or similar, for around £300 it will read all ecus in most cars out the box and also do some coding, like oil reset, EPB reset, steering angle sensor coding etc. 👍
@@cavsri wouldnt fire at all with no crank signal
Hello,
do you have a connected socket for immobilizer near to ignition ? It look like that is disconnected socket for the circuit for reading key chip. Should be black socket 10:25.
Probably something to do with the alternator
The amount of electronics even on a modern van is bloody astounding. I'm holding on to my older stuff as long as I possibly can
Lot of people think like you on this!!
A noid light isn’t the best way to test a high pressure diesel injector for switching , the ECU will kill the switching to the injector as soon as it detects the resistance doesn’t seem right , noid lights aren’t close to being the same resistance as a high pressure diesel injector . I’d be starting with a code read , clear them then see which codes reappear once it’s cranking. Any low fuel rail pressure faults & it’d be worth checking injector leak back and compare all 4 👍
This is why the older Range Rovers with out electronics are demanding big money now, the more electronic and electrical components you have the more problems you’ll get, theres just more things that can go wrong as the vehicle ages .
Hi mate vauxhall tech here. With the stop /start fault i wouldn't get invested into it. When there is a fault with these vivaros the ecu sets up a default fault regarding the stop/start making the stop/start not work. We had one these in the workshop not so long ago with similar fault turns on, rev it and it will cut out. On our one it was the dual mass flywheel. With the dual mass flywheel on these they have a main pick up point for the crankshaft position sensor to let It know tdc for cylinder 1 . Our dual mass flywheel had jumped or moved due to the internal springs being faulty and because of this the crankshaft position sensor was not picking up tdc in the correct position causing this fault.
My thoughts, was looking through comments before I made one.
I can’t wait to see you and Chris solve this one, because somewhere out there is a mechanic that’s had sleepless nights over this van! 😂
If other members mechanics have given up that’s not a good sign. But other mechanics don’t have a Chris!
@@matty6848 It is not the engineer that is the problem, it can be time and cost .
How long would you keep checking it can make you nuts .
Those vans won’t run without the intercooler connected same as the older 2.0 M9r engined ones won’t, basically the 1.6 is a smaller version of an m9r but with a few different ancillaries, try it with the cooler connected up. It’s not an immo issue. They won’t allow a start attempt and the immo light be on the dash if it was. Honestly best bet is get a code reader on it and see what comes up, need to check fuel pressure on live data or could use a multimeter into fuel pressure sensor if need be. If fuel pressure is ok suspect the chain may have jumped, if you un plug the cam sensor and it runs then that confirms it. But if timing is properly out it won’t run anyway but may still sound ok. Usually if that’s happened you get away with a chain kit, just a couple of ideas for yous. Good luck
Good call Chris 👍
Just noticed you mention the intercooler and I've asked the same question.. oops !
Boost pressure sensor/ boost pipe off has that effect
I've had one of these for a few years (sportive on a 15 plate) mine kept coming up check injection system, the garage I had it serviced at scanned it and it came up with a list, the mechanic told me that it had to be an ecu fault and he would need to send it off to be tested and he'd had the same problem with a Renault traffic (same van) I couldn't go without a van so bit the bullit and went to the main stealer I got a phone call 2 hours later saying its the air temp/pressure sensor £130inc been fine ever since the master tech at vauxhall told me the check injection system message is a generic message that displays due to a multitude of issues, love the channel can't wait to see you fix this one 👍
Your lucky .... got away lightly with main dealer. Not my experience with diagnostic & repair once they've got your vehicle.
There is a mechanic in the UK some were praying that you don't get that started after he spent a fortune on it and failed.
Yes - I was thinking that 👍
Or the owner paying the mechanic thinking please dont start I spent a fortune trying and it was just a cheap fix😂
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@@welephant2013 love cars but hate them for there faults and bruised knuckles 🤣
@@russnunn2456 I'm good at crashing them but not so good at fixing then.
The black box behind the battery is supposed to have all the sockets on the bottom in use.Also by the small fuse on the left there is a small socket that takes a plug which may only have one wire going to it, probably red. That wire goes through to the under bonnet fuse box. Check it for continuity, it can get corroded and break, and will bring up the check stop start message.
I love listening to both of you while you are talking, it reminds me of home so much. I originated in Essex but have lived in Florida for best part of twenty years. As I say just listening to you two is music to my ears and then we get to the content of your work. Wonderful, I sit here enthralled at what you are doing and would so love to either be there with you or to do something similar here. Unfortunately time is beating me and I doubt I will ever get to do what you are doing but more power to your elbows lads.
The high light of my day waiting for your next adventure lockdown life saver .
'Lockdown lifesaver' 😅👍🏻
Ohhhh sh💩t 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I,m loving this mechanical stuff guys,,, brilliant! I was a compulsive viewer of "wheeler dealers" in the early days with Ed China & I never missed an episode,, so enjoyed all the oily bits & when he got stuck in under the bonnet! But for me your channel is even better than that, well done Rob & Chris,,,, keep them coming guys!
I hear the clutch switch for start stop could be a issue for these guys 👌👌👌
rob, i hate to tell you this....again... but better me than the rozzers. YES, if it was a car at that weight, the combined weight of 3500kg would be legal, but here is where the law gets interseting.... if its a COMMERCIAL vehicle on the back, it goes by its gross weight, whether its empty or full, in this case, that looks like a 2700 vivaro... so 2700kg is what the old-bill would class it at, cause they aint allowed to look inside to see if its empty or full without a warrant, so in this case, it would be 2700kg plus your recovery truck, and i absolutely guarantee, if you got the wrong cop in a bad mood, he would 100% have your license off you for being stopped with this. i worked in the recovery industry for years, i know my stuff. just trying to save your livelyhood, big fan no hate.
That’s really interesting. Would the weight limit also apply if Rob bought a trailer and towed the van behind his his truck? I sometimes see the recovery services do this.
@@tom2663 to understand fully the DVLA/VOSA rules, you need a degree in rocket science for this next bit....ready? if it was being towed with rope or straight bar, fine, no rules broken, if on a trailer combined train weight still exceeds 3500kg so 'legally' you would need a CPC and tacho card...56mph limiter...UNLESS...a) its 100% private use, and no reward or revenue is ever made from journey, or b) the tow vehicle is a 'dual purpose vehicle (i.e 4x4 and 4+passengers capacity) e.g discovery or crew cab pickup truck etc AND has a kerb weight on V5 of 2040kg or less then you can do what you want all day long at any speed. its an absolute mindf**k set of rules that gets so complex that even DVLA/VOSA dont fully understand it. and it keeps saying that it will come down to a judges interpritation in court of law SERIOUSLY!. so to summerise, alomost EVERY transit towing a trailer and every 4x4 towing a horsebox is illegal on our roads, unless private use or 2040kg rule, but even with horsebox, if its going to a show where a prize might be won...classed as business... read towing capacity rules on dvla website, you'll be there for months going through sections and sub sections, i was.
@@Grant.G.Simpson Thanks, how complex! I guess it also depends what license you have, I passed mine post 1997 so think the weight of towing trailer is limited. I assume you have an all groups licence?
My wife likes a good "Who done it?" I prefer a good "What done it?" Stay tuned, viewers, for mystery and intrigue.
Loads of those faults will be related to wiring disconnected on stripdown Rob , check for rpm signal on any scan tool , should show it on live data , stop start could be anything from incorrect battery type , if only a normal battery , make sure clutch switch and brake light switch working , I had one of these in bits 2 weeks ago to change radiator hoses , clips and screws everywhere back to basics first for checking faults 👍👍, rpm signal needed deffo 👍
Thoroughly enjoyed the investigative work!
You guys are great , I really enjoy watching these
Hi Rob. Great vlog as usual.
I did a short stint with Nissan a couple of years back and i recall a nissan primastar (same van)taxi with this 1.6 engine giving a very similar issue with similar symptoms....i.e multiple warning lights and fault codes. It shut down as the owner was sitting in an airport drop off point waiting for passengers as it was idling.
After much diagnistics, it turned out that the timing chain had skipped a couple of teeth. Once the ecu had established a run cycle with crank/cam sensor offset values out of spec, it shut down the injector driver. It sounds very like the issue you're having. These engines , im told are prone to chain issues.
This is just my experience with them.
These fault finder vids are the best.
Always look forward to your videos
Always a market for these well done 👍
Hold the battery terminals together for 15 -30 sec it will reset the immobiliser then lock and unlock the van and she will start
Looks like a decent van from the outside looking forward to this one
Good job, I enjoy watching you ad chris.
Great video, total faith in you both...
You guys are like surgeons. Credit to you 🔧
Loving the new music Rob.
You really are investigative geniuses.
Great content, hope you get it running.
Opens video, press thumbs up, sits back and relax...... just how I like it
I have every faith in you guys 😊
Looking forward to more on this 😎
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Great content once again!
You will boss it Rob keep up the good work!👍🏻
hi Rob, I would investigate as to why that component melted, It didn't happen for no reason. These clips are like a "who's done it" and watching to see whats wrong is compulsive viewing. Someone has spent along time on that van and a lot of money, then given up on it. What a result if you get it running. Can't wait for the next episode!
These non-starter projects make great content btw
Another Great Video Both Really enjoy these videos with light commercial vehicles 👌
Brilliant video guys. It’s so interesting to watch you fault finding.
Im not going to take wild guesses as Im a fulltime mechanic doing this kind of stuff everday. Firstly make sure you have the correct battery fully charged then put the front end back on with all pipes and sensors connected. take a very close look at the wiring plug going onto the airflow sensor bad for the outer wires on the plug breaking and causes starting problems. If still no joy go to the fuse box at the n/s inner wing unclip all the relays and fuse blocks and check every single wire pulling at them as they come out of the connector blocks, there known for broken wiring there but can take ages to find.
Seems to me electrical issues are a mechanics biggest nightmare. I tried to get the wife’s old 2003 Clio running it had some electrical fault and the all said just to scrap it as it would cost more to get it repaired than what it’s worth!
This really reminded me on that tv sketch - It’s Number Wang!
It’s great to see so much new and exciting content. You guys are really knocking it outta the park, & keeping us all entertained ‼️
well today you have earned my honest respect...well done for the perseverance.
loving the van content at the minuite rob and chris
My first guess is the stop-start system- maybe a faulty switch on the clutch pedal or on the gearbox neutral switch- something telling the ECU that the van has come to a stop and is shutting off the run relay. You can buy those relay bypass units really cheap on Ebay. Second thought is in the ignition- are you sure the key is the original one for the van- most cars have a code in the key fob that sends a coded signal to the ignition node and if the signal does not match the code in the ECU, the engine will start and then immediately stop.
New upload means Stella time 🍻
Agreed but its john smith for me
I have be wanting one these vans for long time on is channel Thank you guys
Great video Rob and Chris great bargain of a van keep the content up 👍
I agree with what others have said, possibly the immobiliser.
Stop start alternator? A budy of mine had an alternator go on his and euros supplied him with a new one, however it wasn't the correct unit and it wouldn't run so back it went, he fitted the correct one and hey presto. Just a thought guys. 👍👍
Never a dull moment Rob. Another fab video. Keep the content coming guys 👍
You and Chris are stars keep the videos coming they are superb love the investigation work.
Hi Rob, bit of a thinker this one. Only fault i had similar to this is when the main earth from the engine block to the battery/chassis snapped. Good luck guy's.
Love your videos, especially those projects that are head scratcher's at first👍👍🙂
Great video as always. Also I love reading the comments on these kind of videos.
I prefer the old 70s and early 80s. No tech, just a engine and mechanical equipment. But I do remember when I worked at a company taking a insignia to a local vauxhall dealer because It had a fault with the stop start . You couldn't turn the stop start off. fords allow you to do that , with the insignia when you stopped at traffic lights it was like trying to start a old ford from a cold 🤣. So I reckon the stop start has failed altogether.
Worked on these vans for 3 years the battery has to be at 85% plus charged for the stop/start issue to stop. Also as already mentioned it won’t run without the crossover pipe from air box to throttle body.
All codes need clearing to find out what issues you have and go from there
@@jonnyyoung3404 we cleared all codes
@@sruk so did all the faults on the dash come on after the codes had been cleared?
Brilliant vlog..... can’t wait for the outcome...👍🏻
Cracking standard of content and the video/music editing is class 👌
Chris and rob the dream team! Best salvage channel on Telly/UA-cam. Apart from scrapheap challenge lol 😂 🙈
I reckon the thingy is broken 😬
And also get code reader a decent one that will communicate with all the modules not just engine and see if any of them are not communicating especially engine ecu good place to start
Top class as always. I look forward to understanding what the problem is. Thank you for sharing.
Great video... really enjoyed this one 👍
Rob /Chris has it got 2 keys .I have just had same problem I had a new key programmed and if it's not an original you need a service key to programme it from had this done and it's perfect now.
I had a 67 plate Renault trafic the same problem it was the earth wire from the chassis to the gearbox that had failed. On the dashboard it displayed the message Electric Failure Danger after the new wire fitted no problem.
Really interesting, can't wait to see the out come 👍
Love the video Rob :D
Sorry if said before, these won’t run and do what it’s doing if any of the pipe work to MAF sensor disconnected. Actually I think if you have the mag disconnected while pipe work off it will but if maf sensor still connected without complete pipe work to inlet connected it will fire and cutout just like that. Not saying that’s the whole problem but renaults and french stuff in general won’t run if I take pipe work disconnected
Hi Chris and Rob as a auto electrician myself I'll be totally honest with you, I'm very surprised your playing guessing games without plugging it in to see live data and doing it old school, you can't with modern vehicles. With diagnostic plugged into the van, you can check everything you was talking about viewing live data. Even check immobiliser data. fuel pressure, crank sensor, pedel switches, all sensors and tons more. Clear all current codes and see what comes back. With all the errors it's looking like a ECU error or Live feed missing. You need to invest into a decent diagnostic machine, I'd recommend AUTEL MAXI SYS MS908 or better. it will be the best investment you have ever made for jobs like this.
Absolutely, I have a Tech 2 for my Saabs, an SDD for the Jags and a Launch for everything else. It has saved me hours and makes life a lot less stressful.
It was the first thing we did as you know it’s a lot of reading and going deep in to it so recording it wasn’t a option 👍
@@stewartcraigie5047 we had it plugged in first 👍
I only assumed you was stabbing in the dark because at one point in the video there was chris looking into a crank sensor? When you can rule that out on diagnostics. I do appreciate you guys are more body repair etc. When your start getting into diagnostic and wiring, it takes years to learn and never stop learning. Might be an idea to scope the communication wires see if all looks normal, you really should have recorded the diagnostic as well, not only would it have been interesting for the large majority it will also help us to maybe see with live data what the issue is but you need a decent machine:-)
Another enjoyable video to break the monotony of lockdown life, cheers Rob 😉
I like these videos as with you guys it's a when not if you fix it, and you make it a fun journey to follow.
Chris rocking the Salvage Rebuilds UK hoodie.. I guess he can add “model” to his CV now as well.. 😎
If it cuts out after you leave off the ignition switch from crank position he could possibly be ignition switch itself behind the key
Brilliant saw the mini this morning came home from work and the van two episodes in one day marvellous 😀
Great vid guys, can’t wait for the next one to see you solve the issue.
1st thing is you need to plug it in and reset all the faults as its a renault and it wont start if something has been unplugged.
2nd I've had a few of them 1.6 and 2.3 masters that had a fuel pump failure, not many know that, but there is one pump in the tank itself, symptoms were exactly the same as in yours.
3rd all the faults all the dash will most likely dissappear once you get it starter, right after scanning the whole van and reseting all the ecu`s
I can come down to you and we can swap some parts off my van so you dont waste money on changing good parts.
Had a simular problem with a traffic when I worked at Renault. Took ages to work out the fault with the Renault main techs. Changed the battery and it cleared the fault. Maybe the same with a vauxhall? Same underneath ain't they
Great video guys looking forward to next installment
fabulous video, we all love a mystery, you will crack it, cant wait to find out !
New t shirts. “Wang it over”
I would buy one
Main stealer t-shirt 👍
Aye good call, definitely a “Wang” series 😂
Yes. Brilliant idea.
Give it a wanging 😂
I really do like the old vans over the new. None of this stop start larky lol
I have that stop start in my new shape Vivaro CrewCab and it’s a pain in the arse. You can cancel it but have to press the cancel button every time you turn the key, you can’t cancel it permanently. Althoughi must say it’s a lot smoother and more comfortable than my old vivaro and where they’ve sacrificed the width they’ve increased the length so your payload is just as much. Plus you can squeeze it through tighter spaces as it’s only a bit wider than your standard car...
Great reading the comments, can't wait for next video,
Superb video, brilliantly explaining the whole process and showing everything you did, cheers guys
Look for the micro switch on the brake
A Ford Galaxy in at work had the exact same symptoms, turns out it was a bad key immobilizer
Great content as always , ended on a cliffhanger , cant wait to see the next one
Good luck with the Figaro guy's 👍👍
Get the fault reader on it, see what is clear able and what isn’t. Could be immobiliser
We did bud 👍
You keep your cool when you are banging your head against challenge after challenge. Modern vehicles have so many sensors and controllers plus their essential wiring. The fault could be as simple as a frayed or corroded wire or a misleading component failing. Sadly, the computer read-out does not always give great guidance. One thing is certain, fault-finding by component changing did not work for the previous owner. This one will take inspiration or logical hard work, the things that you two thrive on.
Love the music Rob
Wonderful video 👍👍
I’m a auto electrician
Check dash clocks light goes off on crank
If not bmc under coffee holder will have liquid in it
Guarantee
Don’t cars/vans what have stop start have to have a certain battery could that be another fault or I’m i waffling 😂
Wow I hope u r right, I will be really impressed. I love knowledge like this it's like a superpower 👍
Whats is BMC
I had one changed every thing found it to be the imobiliser pick up round key had proken of and would not pick up signal 5 min check it
I really like these diagnostic videos I hope you get it sorted and there are quite a few good suggestions of what it could be .LOVE IT.
another brilliant vid! cant wait to see it on the road again
I had one of those for work for many years, when the battery was disconnected or went flat there would be warnings appear, mines said check hill start, check abs, road mode normal etc, mines didn’t have stop start. After it was running for around 15 mins the warnings disappeared on their own.
Hi rob need intercooler connected that’s why it’s cutting out. Also black fuse box on back of battery was blown due to shorting jump leads
It will run without the intercooler it’s not being revved up there is now power to injectors after fire 👍
@@sruk
Hi Robb its imran here you do know that the vauxhall has the same electrics as the Renault group now
I will tell you exactly what your problem is you have had an airbag gone off somewhere check air bag module and clear it it then it will start up %100
Thats Renault / Vauxhall safety system its not starting as air bag is deployed somewhere could be pre tensioner 👍
It will not run if maf sensor is plugged it, but not connected to the intake
Great video lads, I really like these vans.
Loved this video and hope we all solve it together ❤
More electronics than the starship enterprise.
Couple of things with stop start systems, they have a switch on the clutch pedal. When the engine has stopped, pressing the clutch to engage gear triggers an engine restart. A duff switch will not allow the engine to run. And I think on some systems there is another switch or extra wired contact on the brake pedal which sends a signal as well. Also possible ignition switch fault?
The more I watch, the more I think modern Vauxhall diesels are very very unreliable. Designed by a committee lol.
Can't wait for next video
I'm not worried😁 , as I have faith in both of you to get it sorted. 👍