Victorinox Hunter Pro Alox - In Depth Review
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2019
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Brilliant format, very useful comparing a new knife, to a well known alternative.. It gives a new option to buy, against reinforcing views on a much loved classic..
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Great review! I love Victorinox especially the alox models. I have carried a Pioneer for many years, then about ten years ago I lost the last one and switched to the Farmer because I like the saw. I admit I rarely use the saw, but every other features get used fairly often. I did add a dangler clip just because I have lost four of them over the last thirty years, and it saves space in the pocket and is much more comfortable than having a horizontal bar of metal in the bottom of your pocket.
Awesome video, thanks for taking the time to review it thoroughly
Impressively dense review thanks a lot.. Using a little folder in the woods for a while now.. my beautiful expensives bushcraft knives are being use mostly in the kitchen indoor for food prep...
Thanks for your hard work and sacrificing some skin. This reminded me to add band-aids to my shopping list!
Great video mate. Loved your comparison video
Go Victorinox awesome quality been doing it since 1884 to today. They make more knifes than any other knife company.
Great edges you were able to get on those!!! I've always really liked VG10 so much so that the endura 4 has become the favorite kitchen knife
I am a Victorinox fan, but your review is great and very useful! Thank you
Really helpful review. Thanks!
Very good comparison. Helped me with my decision big time.
And your decision?
The Vegemite's a good touch mate. Thanks for this demo/review.
The original hunter pro was my first ‘real’ knife
Best review ever. Good to see an Aussie.
Nothing beats the tri ad lock.
CS recon 1 is my go to folder.
Ok , i didn't see the video yet , but first of all , damn man i was waiting for such a review , 👍 thanks for the video
I really enjoy Victorinox and almost all SAKs are pretty excellent slicers. Not sure what they were going for with the Hunter series, the grind is nearly a scandi grind with how wedgy it is but it still has a secondary bevel. I think they would be way better with a full flat grind and a more neutral handle.
Yep it's weird how low that grind is
Ohhh, vegemite! I miss that stuff so much from AUS. Great video as always!
Nice review but you neglect to mention the toughness, the 1.4419 is areally tough steel as used in a survival type knife. The Spyderco is totally unsuited to heavy use, the nlade is too thin and VG-10 tends to chip and break with hard use.
I love the red version more. great video thank you!
You know what, love reviews, reason being, allows me to collect. Not because, one is better than another, Just makes some more suitable for usage, expense, Or ultimately, gives us the chance to learn, Thanks!
Great review thanks
Great Work!!!
I feel this Victorinox is in the "jewelry/prestige" knife category for casual people to brag about, not for knife enthusiasts specifically. However, it did cut 2x longer than I expected based on the poor steel and thick grind. Great heat treatment!
I feel the opposite. I feel like this is specifically for fans of the SAK brand who wanted a good looking pocket knife with a same brand history.
The Victorinox is so much better looking than the blue knife, despite not keeping its sharpness compared to the other knife.
You can always sharpen it easily.
Really well done and detailed review, Pete! Not my cup of tea but I appreciate your work.
Howard Sheppard thats cool, its a mans knife. No hard feelings. Yu hv to be cool, you love knives, like the rest of us
That spreadsheets subtitle is "my path to carpal tunnel"
Great video, thanks. I have a Tanto that I was gifted and I love it, but I'm a big guy with big hands (Thanks you Norse ancestors) and I can't open it one handed, it is just too small. I tripped over the Hunter Pro Alox and then found your very comprehensive review.
The Spyderco is obviously a better knife in many ways and if I was heading off to war and liable to spend months away from civilisation I'd be carrying it as my folder.
Thankfully, I'm not, heading into the Victorian high country hunting Sambar Deer for a week or so at a time and motorcycle touring for a week or two at a time will be as severe as it will get, so I think I will go with the Victorinox.
I just loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee that blade shape! And, I am a bit of a Victorinox tragic, I carry a tiny one on my keyring and the Officer's Model that I bought for my late wife in 1991, she didn't part with it until she checked out in 2007 and it was in her handbag when I collected her gear from hospital. I recently replaced the broken scissor spring and bought new tweezers and toothpick and gave the blades a good sharpening to get it back into service.
Once again, Thanks, love your work, in years from now, archaeologists are going to unearth your home and spend ages trying to figure out what sort of armoury they have found! HaHa!
That’s good to know. I just bought my sister a Delica 4 in vg10. Sorry for your loss on that finger. My boss walked in on me bleeding all over one time at work after a long cardboard cut session. Haha
That Victorinox is a damn good-looking knife.
I've brought (& sold couple Enduras) still have one in ZDP-189, but oddly Pete you just sold me on the victorinox. The amount of edge retention is more then adequate for me, the ruggedness appeals and I'm bit of a victorinox nerd so yeah. I'm off to order one now lol. Nice review as usual, cheers mate.
Pete you can pick up a stretch 2 in V-Toku at Heinnie Haynes in the UK. You’ll need to hurry up though as they only got 10 in and there are 3 left.
Dude, my man, great work here. Might I suggest glove for left hand? 😁
I wasn't able to hear which sharpening system that was that you were using. I love the 17° mirror polish you put on that knife, and would be interested in hearing about the process you used. Which grits used, and average time per grit used, per side?
I have an Endura Red Dragon and an Endura half serrated, just purchased Pro Hunter Alox $82.90 (all USD)the Red Dragon was $80 the Endura $70. I needed(vanity) a Swiss Knife to go with my Schmidt Rubin rifles and Alpenflage kit. Never had any complaints about the Victorinox steel, I admit it is not the most durable edge retention, however has been easy to sharpen in the field with a piece of steel or diamond stone. The Spyderco steel is more difficult to get a hair popping edge on in the field. that being said i have no experience with the new steel in the Pro Hunter Alox and have heard it described as everything from 440C to 420HC, and ultimately these steels in execution must be heat finished perfectly to extract their best functionality, and my guess is the Swiss can achieve this. Cheers enjoyed your review and it was instrumental in my choice of the Alox, I must say that the Alox Red is very striking in appearance.
Thanks for all the effort put into this comprehensive review, so sorry about the injury! Could the lanyard hole function as a windshield glass-breaker? Cheers, mate!
Yeah, nah. Maybe when it can be disassembled and the clip is reversible. It's a good size though. Great review as always Pete.
Isn’t the indent on the Spyderco lock release called a Boye detent? So when you’re gripping hard your hand won’t accidentally release the lock?
Interesting how much extra the mirror-polished edge can give. I know Extrema Ratio does polished edges, but did not know that it means so much. Yet you proved that again the 420 steel is quite usable.
I noticed you mentioned you don’t have a spidy in V-Toku 2, Heinnie Haynes in the UK has FRN stretch 2s in SAN-MAI SUS410 with V-Toku centre sprint run. I got one and last time I checked they had 3 left. So I would pick your self one up why you can. There getting more in and I’ve ordered a dragonfly in V-Toku
May I ask which knife sharpener you use in the video, looks handy 13:06
I wish they’d make this in about 4.25” with a 3.25’ blade
if you run your lanyard a lot shorter than that you will find it a lot better IMHO. I always put a lanyard on all of my EDC folders and try to size them so they are no longer than the end of the pocket clip. Also make the lanyard weaved using a snake knot rather than a cobra weave and that will make it better as well.
Very nice and thorough reviev and good test, thank you. Hope your finger won't keep you from making more reviews for us. Regards from old Hamburg in Germany.
Kai
Honest review.
what grit did you use to sharpen the knives?
Love my delica 4 been a very reliable knife
Like the look of the nox has potential.
Get well soon. I've noticed as my knife collection increases, so does my bandage suppy.
My wife put a 100 pack of band aids in my Christmas stocking.
I wanted it first time I saw it and bought it first time it became available.
A Boba Fett reference will always get you a thumbs up. Now if Spyderco would make a Fett inspired knife.
I would really like to see the same Vic with different blade geometries.
I am here because I was planning on buying the Victorinox. I got suspicious when they did not openly mention the blade steel, and it seems I was right. I am not paying 100 euro for 420 blade steel. I am not even paying 50 euro for 420 blade steel. So, nope, no deal Victorinox.
Thank you for the thorough review, sorry as well got your finger cut.
This is by far the best looking Victorinox Single bladed folder ever, just that it isnt made of "supersteel". Pretty good normal usage knife.
I like them both! The victorinox I’ll take camping and hiking and I’ll edc the Spyderco.
Victorinox o melhor canivete que existe. Aguenta porrada não é pra enfeite não nunca deixa na mão. Comprem sem se arrependerem.
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I remember from one of the Victorinox 'how it is made" videos they talked about heat treat. They mentioned that on the regular Swiss Army knives the blades are harder than say the screwdriver so the blade holds a good edge but the screwdriver has a bit of give and is not too brittle. So it sounds like they put some real thought into each component and just how hard or soft it needs to be.
Unfortunate they choose a steel for the blades which barely holds an edge. Because it’s cheap, doesn’t rust easily, is tough and easy to machine. It just doesn’t work well when you need to cut much more than tape and letters.
@@deathbyastonishment7930 I use Victorinox for wood witling and it holds just fine. all the 1095 knives I own doesn't hold any longer...
@@greekveteran2715 Thats very unlikely, i suggest you look at some more objective testing on the internet.
@@deathbyastonishment7930 Newer 1095 made blades,are not the same as they used to be.Most of them are from lower quality 1095 and the heat treatments aren't great either.Victorinox always provides,both good quality steel and great heat treatment.Thats my personal and many more peoples experience.My advice to people,is to never rely on youtube videos,to make their opinions,because most youtubers,either don't have the knowledge,or they simply advertise products,to make some profit and 1095 brings more profit ,than stainless.Even Ethan Becker himself,EDC's a Victorinox rucksak.Do me or you,know better than him? All my Leathermans are broken and full of rust,yet marketing has made you beleive that they are the BEST outhere..by the way,1095 is easier to machine than any stainless steel and dulls even if you don't use it,just becaus it corodes VERY fast.. Wake up people....
Never been a fan of Victorinox, I have yet to see one that appealed to me personally, and I even lived in Switzerland for some time. You seasoned that blade with some finger meat, battle-tested dude. Not sure if you're using another camera, or if the lighting was just different, but the visual quality on this upload looked great. Also, really enjoy these longer and more in-depth videos.
Knife in size comparison is the Rat1, screen graphic says Rat 2.
Scott Bond Yeah and he says it three times. Funny that he has this affliction as does The Nick. We all know the 2 is the smaller one. All that R2D2 stuff.
Scott Bond aaah yes! Must the the D2 steel putting the number in me noggin
Rats!
What's that sharpening set he's using?
Interesting, I love the look of the Victorinox (I must have old fashioned tastes) but the spiderco definately out performed it. I just struggle with the blade shapes with the Endura and spiderco in general. Sigh I feel I need a Nana nap.
You speak very fast for those who are not native English speakers (me 😁), but it is still a great review, one of the best out there, thanks!!
Just Bought this knife and allready cut myself with it... How do you recommend cleaning it?
What is that sharpening tool called?
I like the direction Victorinox is going with these knives. I love the blade profile and the way they made those alox handles. I just wish they had a version about an inch or 1.5" shorter....for the same reason I prefer the Spyderco Delica over the Endura. Would also be nice if they would pin the clip with removable screws instead of rivets, and make the clip with a reversible profile. Still I think Victorinox is doing a good job modernizing their product line.
You should get a stunt double to come in, and do all the cut tests.
I need that God damn materials t shirt, do they ship to the Caribbean?
I'd consider picking up the Victorinox but that pinned construction is a deal breaker. Also enjoy the longer form videos.
Never understood people taking knives apart. Cut with them, put them away.
First production of a new model will be worth a few serious coins as a collectable regardless of any imperfections in the future.
I live in Canada and they banned importation of all assisted opening folder knives last year so the one I bought is one of the last ones being sold in Canada and when they're gone the prices will go up big time as they are going up right now with all limited stocks. They legalized pot and banned knives??? At least I'll save money.
I have the new red version and its definately more of a fashion piece. But it just looks soooo good in red imo.
but I also got it fot 78€ compared to the just around 100 an endura is in germany So i cant complain.
For this type of steel the results surprised me. never thought that a 440A type of steel gets so much cuts done.
does anybody know what hrc the hunter pro blade has?
440A properly heat treated is a 3.5/10 on edge retention with Sandvik steels, AUS-8/8Cr and BD1N getting only a 3/10. 420HC which this knife is equivalent to is a 2.5/10 according to science. VG10 is a 4.5/10
How manufacturers heat treat makes a bigger difference than the difference between all these steels until you get into custom or more expensive production heat treat
RIP we will always remember you.
You went all the way trying to polish that turd. Good on ya mate :)
You must be talking about that Spydercrap he compared the Victorinox to.
Finally a video with vegemite in it!
Victorinox' non adjustable pivot/construction is a deal breaker for me. Don't like the edge grind either and the steel is obviously not on the same level as VG10 and VG10 is not even supersteel. Thanks for the test!
Tks pro. Like video
The sentinel model 111mm is the same blade with this one? Or different material?
these apparantly have 440c whereas the sentinels would be the standard victorinox 1.1441 or whatever its called
@@CedricAda in your opinion, which one is more sturdy/robust for heavy duty task?
Endura $81
Victorinox $99
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shadowdance4666 Here in Europe, Victorinox 60$ and Endura +100$
Alexis 21 my bad. Only the RED Alox is $99. The one w/o the hole. The other hunter pros are $72
If only Victorinox would up grade their steel, they bumped it a bit for this model but just didn't take it far enough. I can understand they wouldn't take it to those super steels that would chip but there has to be a sweet spot in this century they are using such old school steels.
Rangefindergeneral supersteels wont chip unless the knife isn’t done properly as in bad ht etc if you have a knife in a super steel and it’s chippy your probably not cutting properly and if the it does chip then a soft steel will roll which is worse then a chip
Not sure I follow you on a roll being worse than a chip..?
Rangefindergeneral a roll is worse to have compared to a chip because both are still fucked with a roll you just now have your whole edge unable to cut with a chip it’s just a tiny piece of the edge that can’t cut you will still be able to use the knife fine though a roll you can’t
@@bp-hx9ts I'd say a roll is preferable. A rolled edge can be resharpened without losing much material at all, a chip is a chunk of material missing which could potentially ruin the blade. Also some super steels are chippier than others, it's why some steels are a great option for a pocket knife (generally used for less intensive tasks) but not a great choice for fixed blades. For example, S30V. A great steel for pocket knives, but in a fixed blade when they could be used for more intensive tasks potentially with some lateral force on the blade edge, expect chips.
Draknareth I would say both are shit but a chip is better you can’t just get a massive roll and resharpen it and be fine the knife and steel is still damaged just like in a massive chip think of it like this if you bend a knife vs snap a knife both are still fucked you cant just bend the knife back
If i do a true scandi on hunter pro,do u think it would get chips because of its 420 steel?
its 440c
@@HaraldSjellose not 440C, is 420
@@MV-bo1gv source please
@@HaraldSjellose Victorinox company....
See the video again please....
I purchased and returned 3 of these - all had off center blades (which my OCD cannot handle). I’m not sure why Victorinox can’t get the build tolerances acceptable on this model.
Sorry to hear. Mine arrived dead centre.
awesome
Looks more like a Code 4 than an Endura IMO
Josh Starkey yeah if I had thought of it, I’d have made it a three way shootout!
How much blade play does it have?
amo757 none, its rather solid
Kinda late, but maybe invest in an "anti-cut" glove or a push-stick..... For the knife lab
Why do you think the endura did better then your delica test? The endura did allot better.
Ive got substantially better sharpening equipment now I think
Dead Man Walkin' @ 15:54
Was that Marmite (equivalent) that you spread on toast at the end?
The Victorinox steel has the same composition as 440a but with lower contamination and a bit of Vanadium added to the formula. The heat treat is also superb, so this can't be compared to the blade of a gas station knife.
Neeverseen Oh? How’s the edge retention?
@@zach4007 It's weird to describe. It gets "dull" quick, since it's only hardened to like 55°HRC to make it bend rather than break.
The added vanadium causes some magic to happen though. It's embedded in the steel grain and creates a really rough surface acting as a "micro saw".
Even if the blade feels dull it somehow still cuts open packages even after a long time.
Neeverseen Huh, that IS weird. So when the blade feels dull, I could do rough cutting tasks still just fine, but the more delicate tasks require it to be sharpened again?
Dr Evil modification of the Alox regrind it with an Emerson V grind edge , 🤣🤣
I find the clip to be fairly weak and would not trust it at least the one on my example. It is so long that it does not have enough tension and is very smooth and not grippy at all.
Cool toaster.
just a generic one from a big box store!
When did the Hunter Pro switch from 440C to 420?
I am not sure. It may have always been 420 - information is generally a bit patchy. This was straight from Victorinox this time, not retailers so I’m pretty happy its right
@@CedricAda the hunter pro steel is 440c.in swiss army knives is x55CrMo14.
NIKOS DOULAS NikGyver so they are using the 420 just for this pro one? Do you have a link cos I got my info from the company
they are using 440c for the hunter pro models(check the video from victorinox.lower hardness 56).for the blade of sak using x55CrMo14,for the tools of sak using x39Cr13 and for the springs x20Cr13.they are using 1-42inox,very close to 420 in the fixed blade outdoor sos knife.
Thank you for your service & blood sacrifice for the cause
Any psychic Ganzo spies from China watching
Quantos centímetros de lâmina??
It's a solid try to get more people in to their knives.
Its 100 US, pinned construction and 420. There are so many choices that are a better value such as the Code 4 from Cold Steel. The Endura you compared it to is 23$ cheaper and offers lighter weight with more performance and value.
I hope Victorinox makes some adjustments and gets a product out that would better fit this category. Right now pinned construction at the price point just makes it a huge turn off for me.
Its okay buddy, Victorinox knives are for real men, not all of us can enjoy them. The rest can buy spydercos though!
@@dougjohnsonbushcraftandbjj5561 lmao
what's the name of that sharpener sistem?
KME sharpening system
Finally some real testing footage of cutting meat! IRON PROOF!
The blade is almost like the benchmade Griptilian 550-1
Thanks, great review.. I'd like to see the Vegemite on toast test on every knife you review 👍