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2018 Porsche 991.2 GT3 Manual Review - Better Than 996 and 997 In Every Way?
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2023
- I had the unique opportunity to drive 3 "facelifted" GT3 generations back to back on the same canyon road. Let's explore whether the 991.2 (with a manual!) is better than the 996.2 (2004) and 997.2 (2011) across the board, or if the older generations offer a more rewarding driving experience.
See my comparison of the 996.2 and 997.2 GT3 here: • 2004 Porsche 996.2 GT3...
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I have both 997.2 GT3RS and 991.2 GT3 Touring. 997.2 is just magical. The best IMHO.
Lucky bugger - yes, the 997.2 RS was absolute peak GT3 (not counting the unicorn 4.0).
Enjoy!
Same here, normal GT3 though. The 997 feels raw with clutch and steering but the engine on the touring has insane breadth. Love both and will only sell the gt3 to upgrade to an RS or perhaps a GT2 maybe.
Had the pleasure to drive all generations - even the 992 GT3 on track many times…
For me it’s the 997.2 GT3 RS which is the pinnacle of all of them. And in case you got the funds. Go for the 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0. That thing is just magic.
Great car, but the 997.2 is the one. Out of a total of 2256 cars built in 09-11, only 800 cars came to North America. It's fast, just the right amount of analog, Mezger powerhouse, and has the perfect proportions. Sure, the performance is up a bit with the 991 GT3, but who cares. From a nostalgic perspective, as well as a great investment, the 997.2 will stay in my garage. With that said, excellent video and beautiful cars all around.
The one for you, sure. And also the most collectible due to rarity like you mentioned. But from a driving standpoint, I’m not taking it over the 4L with the better responsiveness, soundtrack, gearbox and the better chassis. The Mezger was legendary but it doesn’t quite hold up anymore. All great cars, and all can be appreciated, but the 991.2 is the one… for me. We also have a tendency to be bias towards the one we own, we chose them for a reason after all. Just pushing back with the notion that the 997.2 is objectively better because best is subjective.
@@FlatsixSTM Hmm... Since you labeled me "biased" I believe you're assuming I only own the 997.2 GT3... I own multiple 911 cars, including a 991.2 GT3. I love both, but I think we know which car owns the nostalgia of two. I'd sell my 2018 without a shadow of a doubt before I even think about letting the legendary Mezger go. It's something most just don't understand unless you own and mesh with one regularly. There's a big reason why well cared for, clean, 997.2 cars are able to fetch about the same numbers as the 991.2 cars. Anyway, if the 991 is your cup a tea, by all means drive it hard and enjoy that thing! Cheers
@@mikesav9 to each their own! The market price is a reflection of both scarcity and desirability. They made a lot of 991.2 GT3s and it would be relatively easy to replace. All great cars. Cheers
Cars as investments is not really the point of the video though is it? Even as a 997.2 owner myself I think the most frustrating part about the ownership is the ridiculous prices they pull at auction. I’d drive it everywhere, all the time, now mileage is a consideration for ownership despite me never wanting to look at cars as investments. Meanwhile I can practically swap 991.2 GT3s like pairs of pants. I clicked on the video simply because I had been thinking lizard green would be fun next…
I always look forward to these reviews Zygrene! Glad to see you are being trusted with more 'exotic' cars too
As the owner of a 991.2 GT3 6MT, I largely agreed with all the points you made. I would add a few observations. The clutch is ridiculously light for a 500 hp engine, and yet the feel and engagement are great. Although the gearshift is otherwise excellent, there is a slight to-fro motion of the gear lever on/off throttle tip-in in 4th gear which is common to these cars; did you note this in your example? The steering very direct and it does give lots of feedback. The auto rev matching is a lot of fun. The solid valvetrain so far has proven to be reliable. The shape of the front bumper and overall looks are better than the 992. I think this will go down as one of the best GT3 models of all time.
My gear lever doesn't move in 4th on and off throttle
Some do some don’t.
Both the clutch feel and gearbox on my 982 GT4 were better than the 991.2 I have now - except the gear ratios obviously. The GT3 box is still based on the 7-speed which itself is based on the PDK box and it's compromised. Pretty good for road use but the clutch grabs too high and the spacing between each gear slot is narrower (because there's literally space for 7th which is absent)
@@markgtrheyes yup mine doesnt either, 15k miles... also my 997 gt2 clutch and gearbox feel much much heavier... i missed it at first however now I realize it makes driving the gt3 all day long much more pleasurable and easier to deal with if you have traffic and doesnt sacrifice the driving experience once you get use to it
Have you upgraded your clutch and flywheel kit to the S/T kit … transformational … doing the S/T short ratio ring and pinion next
This channel keeps getting better and better.
I drive a 996.2 GT3 for 3 years and put some 10k on the clock.
This car is all about feeling and experience- sure the new ones are way faster but who cares on public roads 😎
...next video....now another friend in a 992 GT3 popped by at the same time....another friend has arrived out of the mountain side in a 718 GT4 RS lol
LOL let's hope that happens. I'd be ecstatic.
I think you nailed it in the head with the 991.2 when you said it's hard to rev it out in the canyon road. (Can tell from the video too you pretty much have to short shift 2nd and pull back from 3rd right away... Essentially in the mountain it's a one gear car...) It's a frequent complaint from a lot of 991 GT3 owners... the car's performance envelop have gotten so high that it became really hard to really enjoy "all" of the car on the public road. The steering wheel I would say has gotten thicker in the 991 (vs. the 997) but the diameter gotten a lot smaller, as a result the steering feels more alive and direct. The the shifter and the clutch on the 991.2 is far superior and easier to live with. The 991 is a better all around sports car. The 997 is a more special driving experience.
I agree with Sam here, and you said it at 8 min mark too,… compared to 997.2/3, this car is very hard to “wring out” using all of the first 3 gears on twisty B roads. It really does need much bigger broader roads in order to enjoy repeatable 3rd gear redline pulls. The song this car makes at 9k makes you want to experience / hear it all the time, and that won’t happen much on twisty Mtn backroads.
Just found your channel, I own a 718 GT4 and I’m looking at adding a 997.1 or .2 depending on pricing and your latest videos are great 👍🏻 😊
I actually prefered my 997.1 gt3 over the 997.2gt3. 3.6 Motor feels happier to rev and the chassis was more raw.
agree about rawness … plenty of power and 911R like rev to redline, incredibly pure drivers road car
I love your reviews. Just so realistic and raw. I like the rawness as an enthusiast. But, maybe, maybe you could get to do other wonderful roads someday and keep us entertained the same. Love these cars, not attainable, but do drive a Porsche 718 spyder. But I’ll watch any other car too. Haha
I have one of these and it’s brilliant.
But I just got my 997.1 C4S back from FSI and it now has an R43 engine.
In day to day driving, up to 5k RPM, the R43 is much quicker. Have to ring-out the GT3 to keep-up (and pass) it.
The R43 is now my DD and the GT3 is the ‘canyon car’
Great Review! I don't think you had the exhaust valves open...I don't see the button pressed. Makes a noticeable difference, especially with windows down
I will forever lust after this car.
Great review as always! Just a fyi, the green lizard has PS4S tires and not Cup 2s 😊
Good stuff!
Dream car, attainable is for me is a base 991.1 with the na engine and the 7 speed manual. Looking to trade my fk8 in a couple years ! My tuner has a miami blue 991.2 gt3 with the 6 speed!
maybe worth looking into a 718 GTS or 981 GTS instead? Both are excellent contenders to a 991.1 in my opinion
@@achromaticwraps981 gts is what i was initially captivated by. The sound is absolutely excellent, however I imagine i might be ready for a family soon so im gonna need those backseats! No room for a second car
Miami Blue is my favorite color by far on the 991.
Quickly becoming the Porsche and S2000 channel my dude.
I drive and film whatever comes my way. Apparently my channel attracts a lot of Porsche owners. I'm not complaining!
@@Zygrene I can't blame you! Even if my heart does belong more economical sporty cars, but you really got that covered in your early days.
@@Post_Leako I hear you. There will be more of those on the channel, don't worry!
Don't see a problem with that. I own both, two of the finest sports car made in the last 30 years
Hi Zygrene
I noticed you seem to review alot of Porsche 911s and Caymans. I don't think I ever saw you in an AMG GT. It'd be really cool if you can review one
I reviewed an AMG GTR Pro last year. Video is on my channel!
In the 991.2 case yes. Somewhat controversial to say that fuel injected engine is a huge jump from the Mezger engines
Honestly any of the 911 GT3 / RS’s are amazing.
You can’t go wrong with any of them.
My only concern is the later they get the bigger they are becoming, and to me that’s a negative.
Otherwise good presentation.
Whats the best (or peoples favourite) non GT 911? By non GT I also mean excluding the Turbo and Turbo S models.
How does it compare to 991.1 gt3RS?
You can get a 991.2 for 170-185, but maybe not paint to sample.
What to you think about the auto rev-match feature? I always wondered when it engage, is in the action of the shifter lever going into gear or at the release of the clutch pedal? I think is a great feature because it is switchable giving the choice.
It engages the moment I go into the lower gear, even before I release the clutch
@Zygrene thanks man!
Thank you.
Try not driving these cars in their stiffest setting on the street. You would have had more steering feel in a softer setting from PASM.
Do you see yourself getting back into a Porsche soon for personal use?
Not sure about soon, but some day! When I can justify a GT car.
Love the videos! Whats the location of the shoot? Bay area?
Los Santos, in between Michael's house and Trevor's trailer.
How did they make a 992 GT3 better than the 991? The front is double wishbone and the engine has ITB's.
yes 2-3 sec faster most tracks … on the road a 997 RS gives so much more rawness and feel on a spirited drive
991.2 GT3 RS, in most respects its peerless and I say that having owned most of the GT/RS products at one time or another. I have also tested the 992 GT3 RS and logged it on track and still prefer the 991.2 GT3 RS - I haven't warmed to the 992 series, bigger, heavier, awful haptic "switches", BMW/Merc/german taxi interior a bit soul less. My top three Porsche sports cars would be (a) 991.2 GT3 RS - literally peerless, it has everything. (b) 718 GT4 RS - a total riot, just fun (c) 981 Cayman GTS 3.4NA PTV or 718 Cayman GTS 4L NA - just a great all rounder, go anywhere, do anything sports car. In my view Porsche have drifted into lifestyle cars and badged/"numbered" marques but don't have the flair of Mclaren or Ferrari.
I have a 992. Let me drive that 997 or 996 and you can drive it. I have already driven the 991.1 and 991.2.
Dream car
Drove my father's 997.1 GT3 and a 991.2 GT3 back to back; and both are amazing.
The new engine is spectacular; its a mezger in its power delivery but smoother and revs to 9!
However, the old car is just magical though. The old car's steering is much better imo and that puts it over.
The 991.2 was a better car overall but yet not as good, not as special. It has what the other car lacks, something unquantifiable.
Would I trade my regular 911 for the new GT3? Every day of the week. Would I trade the old car for the new GT3? Never in a million years.
Love how you ended this one for some reason. Turn off the car. End the video. Super satisfying
Yes, newer is "better" if your goal is to drive faster on track. The 991.2 is much more balanced vs its predecessors and much easier to drive fast. We idolize the 997.2 for it's uniqueness, rawness but 991.2 is a better car in every dimensions.
and with that logic same applies to 992 GT3 and every revision going forward … time to sell the inferior 991 ; ) lol
@@brianhimmelman420 I'd keep the 996 for fun.
The people in that house on the straight get to hear the best cars ever made do 1-2-3rd gear every week, what a bunch of lucky bastards.
They don't appreciate how blessed they truly are.
The 992 is not better, is more boring
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Why would i trust your opinions or feedback on either car? You lost me with 'traction control off'. As if on the road you would even use it in either of these cars ...
so slow... go to a racetrack
It’s a heavy-ass road car.
It can be (and is) tracked, but a Van Diemen Formula Ford will lap it and it costs 1/20th of the price.
And if you crash the VD, well that’s par for the course.