I know this was a pretty divisive movie for some people. I tried to address some of those complaints in this video, but it’s fine if you didn’t like it! Hopefully we can all agree that Carey Mulligan’s performance was phenominal
As a girl, who has experienced sexual assault at a young age by someone I trusted. This hits so hard. It made me sad that she and her friend weren't able to get past the pain. You can't ever get past it. It'll always be apart of you but u need to come to terms with it, accept it wasn't your fault and take pride that you survived. My mum had to come to terms with it because she too was there to stop it, it was worse cause she wasn't even in the same country as she had to work to provide food and she wasn't gone long but it was long enough. She deserved better they both did.😢😢😭😭 I have forgiven that person but now I am weary of others and I think I'm a bit more protective of my younger sisters and brothers, cousins and my niece (coming this Feb).
I've been looking forward to PYW since the trailers came out at the end of 2019/beginning of 2020, and was ABSOLUTELY sitting in the theater on Christmas day. I thought it was more about how destructive survivor's guilt is, how Cass would never be able to go back and go with Nina to the party, how the assault destroyed two innocent lives and two innocent families. That sexual assault doesn't need to be violent to be thoroughly destructive.
And, for the record, I've been in the position, involving a friendly acquaintance, alcohol and ignored denial of consent, followed two weeks later with said acquaintance being such a gentleman as to give me a lift and splitting the bill for PP services...followed a month later with the acquaintance publicly threatening me that if I ever mentioned the events to ANYONE, that I would regret it....and he was one of the nice guys, or thought he was. Not all men, of course, but a good percentage more than they will admit or acknowledge...
I think the people who claimed this movie is "man hating" fail to notice that 2 of the people Cassie gets her revenge on are women, who are just as much to blame for Nina and Cassie's situation. This film isn't about how men are bad. It's about how people can be complicit in something horrible and still walk away thinking they are utterly good and blameless.
not only that but she forgave the lawyer because he showed that he felt remorse for what happened and he helped her complete the plan. I don't get how it's man hating when the one who helped serve justice is a man himself.
The “man hating” label is often used to downplay a legitimate viewpoint. People become defensive instead of examining the actual issues, because it makes them uncomfortable. No one wants to confront that sometimes people in a group they belong to do bad things. Instead of taking a moment for self-reflection and consideration, they disregard the whole scenario as “man hating” so they don’t have to think about it at all.
@@angryotter9129 it’s more about non issues subverting the conversation. People have become so used to these types of movies being preachy dissertations about all men being evil that they now prejudge them based on those past experiences.
@@andrewdriver3318 The fact that so many of them ARE preachy dissertations about all men being evil isn't something to gloss over. There's a reason people are sick of it.
I think this movie talks about something we never discuss: secondary survivors. As someone who is a secondary survivor, the bottomless rage of this film was incredibly relatable, realistic and very much needed.
I think you spelled it out perfectly. And I actually loved how this movie turned out. I used to rage as a teenager that nothing would happen unless [spoiler] happened.
@Coconut Pal i imagine they are referring to people who were not directly affected by something traumatic but one of their loved ones was. in this case, cassie was not assaulted but her friend being assaulted turned her entire life around. especially when someone was severely traumatized and did not get justice for what was done to them, it is really hard for the people who deeply care for them to not feel just as much anger and grief as the traumatized person
One of the smartest commentaries of the film was the contrast between how the general attitude towards Nina's r@pe was that it was her fault for drinking, but WITHOUT HESITATION Al is reassured that it's "not his fault" for killing Cassie...when she's literally lying dead beside him.
ALSO, Cassie's revenge was always psychologically manipulative, but overall harmless (other than shocking her victims into a new perspective). Her actions were always with intent, and repercussions are always thought through (which is why the impulse of smashing that guys' car felt like a mistake). Al killed her on impulse because he knew that no matter the harm he causes, there are never any real-life repercussions. This is supported by the fact that he goes so far as to hide her body, and comments on how we live in a world where women (especially sex workers!!!!) are seen as disposable.
I dont think the general public would hold the same sentiment, lol. Doesn't mean that them saying she may of had it coming is the right thing, however this observation is stupid, imo. If your raped, youd expect a good friend to say it isn't your fault. However they ARE speaking like HE was the one that was violated by her death. So I suppose there is something there. But it isn't like the general public would say "it wasn't your fault for smothering that girl." Lol. There are many other perfect pieces of social commentaries at play here.
I think the context of this movie hits even harder as someone who is actually in med school. The characters weren’t college students, they were grown adults in their mid 20s when the initial events happened. And dropping out of med school is a much bigger deal than dropping out of college because it’s even more debt and years wasted, so it really puts into perspective the seriousness of what Cassie chose and how everything affected her.
The events took place 7 years before the story in the movie. So they would have been 23. Not quite in their full mid-20s; only a year out of regular college and about a year into med school.
Also, love the character naming. Cassie=Cassandra, as in the myth of Cassandra where a young woman was cursed to always tell the truth but never be believed.
Honestly the fact that Bo Burnham's Character STILL went to the wedding even after he after putting together that in all likelihood the groom murdered Cassie speaks volumes to what kind of man he is.
You can tell he's all about image. Even when the cops show up at the wedding he doesn't care about his friends. He looks around to see if anyone caught him freaking out of the messages. He even adjust his suit during that scene.... Always about what other think of him. When he wants Cassie to forgive him it's not because he's sorry, it's because he can't stand the thought of someone out there who doesn't think he's the golden boy.
One thing I've been trying to figure out is if Madison went to the wedding. I'm pretty sure we didn't see her there -- and if she changed her mind on two of her "favorite people," that's really amazing.
@@silvertamagachi I like to think, and hope, that Madison didn’t go. It seemed like she was so freaked out she got away from all of that and everyone involved.
I feel the ending was supposed to make us feel the anger Cassie had felt throughout the film. It was viscerally realistic and enraged me, but I have a feeling that was the point.
Yeah that would make sense. It puts the viewer in the exact same spot, loosing someone you care about, someone who was with you from the start, who you rooted for just like that. In one moment at the hands of the exact same asshole.
Plus it never mentioned "sexual harassment". Also, I think it's more powerful that they showed Cassie's reaction to the video rather than the video itself. Carey really did a masterpiece with her acting.
@@matthewbishop8395 the word can be triggering to victims. Hearing or even saying that word is hard and if you have experienced sexual violence then even hearing that word feels like you're reliving it all over again for some survivors. It's not a case of not being allowed to say it, it's a case of it is often unnecessary to say it when you can allude to it, or when it is blatant that that is what is being alluded to.
"This movie HATES MEN, all the men are bad, even Best Boy Bo Burnham!" Are these people dense? The ONLY character in the film who fully acknowledged their actions and consequences, the ONLY character who received verbal forgiveness from Cassie, the ONLY character who through their redemption earned the right to _help save the day_ and get the shitheads arrested in the end... _WAS A MAN._ THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY. YOU CLODS.
One really brilliant thing is how the movie seems to deliberately cast actors with sunny, likable images like Bo Burnham, Allison Brie, and Connie Britton as characters who are fully complicit in rape culture, with the implied message that if these people can be part of it, anyone can.
@@calahive5068 I was also really reminded of how Roots did the same thing, casting positively viewed actors like Chuck Connors, Robert Reed, Sandy Duncan, and Lorne Greene as nasty racists.
The title is a reference to Brock Turner, a Stanford University student who was convicted of sexual assault in 2016. Despite his conviction, he was referred to by some as a "Promising Young Man."
That case still angers me, how he got his sentence reduced partly due to his being an "Olympic hopeful" swimmer. The fact that he got booted from the team made me smile, although he should have gotten much worse.
didn't he serve like three months? And his father said something like his life shouldn't be ruined by "some seconds of pleasure", or some shit like that? Yeah, that case is deeply upsetting.
I also think about Nina's mom. She seemed close with Cassie and cared about her wellbeing. And now this one horrible event has cost her both her own daughter and her best friend's daughter. Plus, she is going to see that tape at the trial unless she doesn't go or participate at all. I can't imagine that pain.
YES!! There is no need to show sexual assault on screen when dealing with the topic. It feels like writers who show violence like that on screen to prove their point don’t understand how damaging that can be to an audience. You don’t have to explicitly show that kind of violence to understand its impact
"This movie is about hating men!"... except two of her victims were women, the man that showed actual remorse was forgiven, her dad was never blamed for anything relating to this, the detective and police ended up being able to do their jobs. The point of the film was to show that those who can be held accountable will be held accountable. Honestly one of the best thriller films I have ever heard of.
Yes! It's a kind of twist on how when some men are convicted for commiting sexual assault, they are referred to as "promising young men who lost it all because of this" (this horrible conscious action they commited against someone), as a tragedy, so this movie asks "what about the promising young women who were the victims?". It's SUCH a great tittle.
Yes, additionally, 'promising young men's' lives were perceived as threatened/at risk, because one woman's alleged experience, and that society has historically valued mens' lives over women's personal accounts & lives.
As a very sexually active person who had been assaulted, there aren't enough words to convey how hopeless and alone you feel when you seek support and people basically tell you that you deserved it or maybe even liked it
People suck - I'm sorry that happened. Read on a "blog" - type thing, that a young woman had taken a man home after a night out, had toldd him to stop during sex, but he kept going and HALF THE PEOPLE ON THE F*ING SITE SAID SHE HAD TO LET HIM FINISH SINCE SHE INVITED HIM HOME FOR SEX = HER FAULT/MEN'S SEXUAL NEEDS COME BEFORE YOUR COMFORT/SAFETY... After that i was seriously feeling the urge to kill people off Dexter/Lumen stylr after that..
@@alyssapinon9670 thanks - it was literally the only example of a revene story that doesn't go with the "revenge is wrong/women are crazy" ending. I'm sad they didn't let us know what happened to lumen but I get why.
I'm so sorry that happened to you dude. Someone I had considered a close friend tried hurting me like that and I still don't know how to express it. I've told my friend why I don't feel comfortable hugging them and I just don't know how to tell him it's because I can barely trust any guy thats nice to me anymore I just want to tell you that you aren't alone and that I think I understand what you're feeling. Maybe I'm completely wrong but I wish you the best my friend
I’m so so sorry you went through that. What happened to you is not and will never be your fault. I hope you have gotten or are able to get the support that you need. You are incredibly strong and I’m sending all my love to you ❤️❤️❤️
I just watched this movie and I loved it. As an assault survivor I felt very represented (even as a man), and the overall pastel and femenine aesthetic just added for me. Probably this movie hit way too close, but it was like it's made for me. I even felt I healed a little bit, idk
@M A R I N A spoilers if you havent finished......... At the end my cousin and I were like "No she can't die, shes faking it!" And my cousin actually looked it up because she couldn't take the suspence
it's not just about the assaulter. its about how everyone connected enables them. how little you have in term of support or understanding. how even the nicest, most tender dudes can have that spot in their past that they're unwilling to face, or have explained away. when it's someone you care about, it's different.
Not only dudes. Granted it is easy for men to use power over a woman, since statistically they have more strength, it is easy for them to brush it off as "oh that's how guys/men are, always wanting sex" but assault is not just punching and abusing unconscious girl, women also blackmail or pressure people into sex, they use the fact someone is drunk, sleeping or "so ugly he should be grateful" mentality. The thing is we just allow all the types of abuse happen cause as a society we still think sex is taboo and we underappreciate and completely disregard the value and importance of ACTIVE CONSENT. I am pretty sure many women knowing or thinking about abuse also have things they are ashamed. And granted, it might not be gang r*pe on a guy or attacking him in dark alley as we would like to see the assault, but these are those "small" things that ultimately diregard someone's autonomy and decision
I think that enablers were a big point here.. everyone in the class had video proof of what he had done to her. Not a single person took any action against him. Just because you're not an active participant in someone's assault doesn't mean you did nothing wrong.
@@TheEvilOreo Def agree. Not only did they witness it and not stop it, they were entertained by it. AND they videotaped it. THEN they laughed about it and shared it, after they were sober!! Nobody regretted It? Nobody came forward and fessed up? None of them wanted to face the consequences of doing the right thing. The power of denial and rationalization is the real horror in this film.
So Cassie avenging a friend is "insane", but John Wick killing dozens of people for a dog is justified? Interesting. But how is Ryan not a bad guy? In his office he shows such ugliness, a gut-level reaction that can only be seen in a cornered animal. I think it shows exactly who he is at his core, even if he lies to himself that he's so great -exactly like the creeps in the bars.
I don't think Cassie is insane but she is no role model for young women. What she was doing was dangerous and unhealthy, I mean it got her killed eventually. John Wick was insane but he was also an assassin who had his home violated, he was beaten and his dog was killed. Killers gonna kill, it's a totally different movie. If Wick's wife was still alive, I'd say he was a dumb ass for risking his life, but he literally had nothing but revenge to live for at that point. I haven't seen this movie yet, but pretending your drunk and agreeing to be alone with a stranger is stupid and risky. You'd never go into a yard with a dog that you don't know. Having said that, I'll probably still see it. It looks like a good movie.
I think it's large part of that is also due to the fact that John Wick is far less grounded in realism than this movie. John Wick was basically made into an assassin as a child, had scared the mafia into calling him "the person you send to kill the boogeyman", takes down about 40 armed men at once because he's basically superhuman at this point, is basically a blank check for the writers to create deaths as stupid as killing someone with a pencil, and the cherry on the sunday is that he's doing all this because someone killed his dog (which is meant to be fairly absurd). Meanwhile, I feel like this movie is much more grounded in reality. She isn't superhuman, is doing this to try and cope with a traumatic experience that very likely hits home with the audience, is basically ruining her life in a self-destructive attempt at vengeance instead of moving forwards, and ignoring frequent pleas to just save herself insteas. Even if she *did* get vengeance at the end, it costed her any chance of returning to normalcy because she let it consume her. John Wick is a pretty thoughtless violent and fun romp that exists purely for the sake of violence and fun. Promising young woman on the other hand is a cathartic, albeit disturbing experience due to her overwhelming self destructive vengeance. I fully agree that there's a double standard, but what each movie is emphasizing is entirely different. It's like comparing the goofy silver-age comics joker to the recent gritty joker movie, you probably shouldn't be comparing them to each other in that way.
the fact the men involved still get punished for something is what saves the ending for me. Cause it would've been easy to either do the happy ending or to do the really dark ending where they get away with it, but having everyone involved lose actually feels like a satisfying ending
Yes exactly! If Cassie had just died and that was that, I think I would’ve hated it, as realistic as that may be; but the fact that she did get the last word satisfies a little bit of the revenge fantasy for me personally.
honestly if the perps all got away with it I feel like it would make it just as good since it slaps everyone in the face with what would usually happen. (the possibilities are endless!)
When I still thought they would get away with it I was absolutely sick to my stomach. Probably wouldn’t have been able to sleep. It would have all been too painfully hyper-realistic to have to live through. I don’t think I’ve ever exhaled like when I heard those sirens.
The fact that people think John Wick is a sympathetic badass for murdering the men who killed his dog but think that Cassie is a hysterical man hater for psychologically torturing the man responsible for her friend’s rape and suicide says a lot about society. Personally I think both characters are examples of the quote “I’m not saying it’s right but I get it.” But this movie is kind of a Rorschach test for how people view sexism and rape culture. And boy does it bring out the ugliness in people. I think Cassie saying “what do you think every woman’s worst fear is” has the same energy as John Wick’s “just a dog” line. Both had their trauma trivialized and now they’re fighting back.
I HATE the fact that whenever a woman makes a movie and men are the villains they have to constantly clarify that they don't hate men I've never seen a male director do that or be asked to do that
@@athenajaxon2397 facts! They see equality as oppression so we have to explain that we aren’t trying to oppress them, we just want to be held to the same standards.
@@athenajaxon2397 have you been on Twitter? You constantly have to clarify that you don't hate women if an opinion isn't the main focus of the thread and I'm a woman for godsakes so yes we do this to men as well. The internet is full of shitty people trying to dumb things down to girls vs boys and it's really annoying and stupid. We need to just take things that are made, said or explained at face value if everyone did that with this movie they would see it's a revenge story about PEOPLE not against guys.
It's interesting that in the clip after Al strangles her, that his friend talks to him, tries to reassure and comfort him with the sort of language people should be using when someone tells them they were assaulted "this is not your fault"
Yeah I bitterly laughed at that. Especially because it was implied that if Al ever felt any glimpse of remorse about Nina it's probably what Joe said to him and how Al continued to internalize he wasn't guilty. Amazing contrast to the Madison storyline of her blaming Nina and saying it was Nina's fault. We know it can't be Al's fault, Al's such a nice dude who doesn't mean bad so of course by process of elimination it MUST be Nina. It really was an amazing depiction of how society compulsively needs to coddle men and that ends up severely damaging women as a side affect.
I think people just prefer happy endings. When characters are in such a tough situation like this and they're rooting for them so hard, and then in the end nobody wins, their instinct is to dislike it. But it's the truth with these kinds of situations. Nobody but the lawyer showed enough remorse for her to be able to forgive and move on, so she had to deal with it some other way. Her way was revenge. It wasn't healthy and it was bound to catch up to her. She was willing to go down if it meant taking the perps down with her. They all lose. In real life you don't get a happy ending, you either learn to live with it or you don't. Nina didn't. And then Cassie didn't. These are the consequences. I'm glad this movie reflected that.
My favorite part was that the ending was not happy becuase giving a happy ending would make the movie a fantasy and discredit all the mental strain Cassie felt all these years. These men who hurt Nina were arrsted but I like that they don’t show what happens next and I feel like this important because you come out of the movie without a feeling of catharsis which makes u look at the world around instead of feeling relieved. I believe if the movie was happy we wouldn’t understand how much Cassie actions hurt her as well how she needed to do this
*Spoiler* There's still some degree of happy ending, with her getting some sort of justice beyond the grave. Apparently, the first version of the script that was presented to financers ended with Al and Jo disposing of Cassie's body. They couldn't get the financing they needed with the finale being so dark and realistic. Fennel came up with the epilogue happening after Cassie's murder as a compromise. It's still daring and compelling, but it's interesting to note that the part of the film that is criticized the most is the one she had to add in order to make her story more palatable for the industry.
I was raped as a teenager. I went on a psychological revenge mission afterwards that probably hurt me as much as it hurt him, which I've never really seen before in a film. It consumed me for so long. I almost killed myself from it. I went from top of my class to college dropout. I like the note about the guy not being able to say the words and others not remembering, because the closest I ever got to admission or responsibility was "I'm sorry *if* I hurt you." Like, I was bitter about a breakup or something that small. And there's other people who I still can't forgive years later--my Pastor who let everyone slut shame me and throw me out of the Church despite me doing nothing wrong, my parents for saying that I only told them as an excuse for my shitty behavior/loss of scholarship, and myself for "letting" the situation cut me down so bad, consume me, and break me. I'm still not whole, but I want to be now and that's a huge change for me
@@AmandaTheJedi thanks for sharing the movie with us. It would probably be too much for me to watch, but it's good to hear that a different take on the female revenge movie. I like that it doesn't have a happy ending because that's how it would go if you don't realize that you need to stop and move forward
I'm sorry you were treated so terribly, and I'm furious at those who refused to believe you or treat you with the love and compassion you deserve. Your story brings tears to my eyes, but you seem to be incredibly strong. May your future be bright.
you know what I really liked about the movie? we don't see nina once. we don't have any idea how she looked like. we know her so much and end up loving her so much because of how cassie loves and misses her, but she don't even have a casting actress, for a flashback scene or whatever. this movie is so deep, I love it
@@Wwumzymumzy that’s the point tho, even tho it’s her story, her assault, it’s all about Al hence the name being a spin on the phrase “promising young man”
@@Wwumzymumzy I also really enjoy that we're not shown what Nina looks like. It was a good decision. I feel like having an actress could potentially play into some really damaging tropes, such as "white woman syndrome" (I assume she is white since her mother in the movie is white, but still). Having her be conventionally (un)attractive could also derail the point of the story or how we view her as a victim. Not seeing her prevents us judging what happened to her in relation to her physical appearance / stereotype / etc. Very good choice not to show her in the movie!
Nina is every woman. Every faceless, nameless Jane Doe assault victim that was once a promising young woman but derailed and erased by the system. It's not really about Nina, the character - it's about all those women she represents.
I thought that Cassie's death was symbolism of when someone is sexually assaulted. When a person chooses to assault someone it's like taking a pillow and suffocating them. Killing something within them and mentally changing them. While Al suffocates Cassie, he keeps saying this is your fault which deniers often say to survivors.
@@cvltclassic893 yeeeeeup. as a survivor it was hard to watch because what i was 'shouting' at the screen was basically what i did to get to the end of my assault.
i truly felt that the ending was imperfectly perfect. cassie's end was realistic and the fact that she cared about nina so much to lose everything was what stood out to me the most. i felt like giving each character flaws and making them realistic is why this movie is so divisive, since people see parts of themselves on screen that they don't typically enjoy.
Oh my god, the point you made about the ‘dead stripper’ scene being something you might see in a Hangover movie is SPOT ON. It’s exactly the description of what the trivialization of violence against women in media looks like.
I was date raped when I was drunk and when I told my roommate she said it wasn’t rape because it wasn’t violent enough. I told him no, I told him no, I told him no. I was in pain afterwards, but somehow not rape. I was afraid because I was drinking underage that I’d get in trouble too. So nothing happened, then about 17 years later I came to terms with it all.
I'm sorry it happenned to you, and had to hear what your roomate said to you. I'm glad you're coming to terms with it. It's a really stupid perspective that rape or other form of sexual abuse has to be violent. Pain is pain. Whether it's physical or mental. I hope you're surrounded by more supportive people who validates your experience now.
Yeah Fennell said it was really important to her to maintain realism in that moment and that while the movie is existing in a slightly heightened reality to some extent, the second Cassie tried to elevate her actions it would flip
I especially liked that the death scene took sooo long because it shows that, yeah, smothering someone to death isn't quick, and he had PLENTY of time to calm down and not kill her, so there's absolutely no brushing that off as being "in the heat of the moment" or an accident. He chose to kill her.
Not every man in the movie was bad. The lawyer redeemed himself to the point Cassie trusted him to take care of her mission when she was gone. I think that really spoke volumes about how men have the capacity for good and to make the right decision.
Not every man but one. Not much better is it. If the movie was gender reversed if would be seen as misgonyistic. Also your last sentence is so condescending, "omg maybe men can actual be good human beings who'd have thought!" Uh anyone who's not a misandrist would've thought that and wouldn't think it "spoke volumes".
@@shrisiva4016 if the genders in the movie were reversed it wouldnt fucking make sense dolt. I get youre 12 and hate sjws but please grow up before trying to watch a movie with actual things to say
@@shrisiva4016 the point of what OP is saying is that the movie isn’t some kind of anti men agenda, which some men takes it away as, which made a bunch of people having to comment - this being one of them - to clarify. The comment is just trying to point out that not all the men in the movie are depicted as evil or sinister. The movie has more bad men focused because it’s trying to criticize such behavior that are unfortunately very much real and trying to make the audience realize how much damage it truly cause to victims and to their close ones. Stop being so nitpicky with comments and just take away the good moral lesson.
@@shrisiva4016it’s to highlight evil people of sexual assault and that the people in general just treat victims of SA as the one at fault and how they normalise rape culture. This is NOT misandrist at any capacity and not only is your comment ignorant and blatant but it also shows how shallow of a human being you are.
“In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.” - Judith Lewis Herman
This movie was incredible, and as a woman who has experienced men taking advantage of her....I fully was disturbed by how the men thought they weren't doing anything wrong at all.
I'm sorry to hear this. No man has a right to take advantage of any women and there's no excuse for it, especially if she was drunk or what she was wearing. Any man who says " I'm a nice guy" after he tries to take advantage of any women is not a nice guy, hes a sexual predator.
@@JJ-94 I hear what you're saying, but is every drunk sexual experience bad? If the guy is just as intoxicated why is it all on him? I mean yeah if you're trying to have sex with a woman that's unconscious or half unconscious, are using force or violence it's a pretty clear line, but are you saying it's just wrong to hookup with a girl that's drinking at all?
@@davidmayberry3190 lol I think it depends on the degree of how drunk they are If they just have a couple cans of beer, and are talking just fine Then they give consent u’re okay As a woman, I will never try to fuck a drunk or/and unconscious man when I’m drunk If I’m interested in them, I’ll prob just bring them to THEIR own home Leave a note saying take care whatever with my contact and go home myself lol And I’ve also heard when men are really really drunk they can’t get their penis up (I’m not sure if it’s true or if it’s only for some people ) If it’s true, then a very very drunk man,who can’t think well, would prob be unable to do shit to another drunk man or woman
@@davidmayberry3190 the way the comments before you literally was talking about "taking advantage" of a drunk person specifically and not about whether its okay to have sex with anyone who has had any amount of alcohol at all really makes me questions your intentions,and yk if you cant tell the difference between the two just stay away from sexually engaging with people who are drinking.
The whole time I was confused when everyone would say“we were kids” , they were in med school, it was 7 years ago. Not that long ago. As if they can’t remember anything from that time.
That's part of the point--they're trying to explain away their behavior instead of actually taking responsibility for what they did/what they were a part of. Plenty of people use the excuse "It was so long ago/we were just kids/I've changed" instead of saying "I did something wrong and I'm sorry."
Honestly a movie about a women killing or at least mutilating evil rapists would've been kinda cool, like a female death wish or john wick, but the way they did it is infinitely better. It's at the very least satisfying that justice got served, unlike unfortunate cases irl
@@coffeeandhorror it is a good one.. the R scene is pretty graphic so trigger warning I tend to fast forward through those but the rest of the film is pretty good
That and hitting on her at work (although I guess that might be mitigated by her being willing to spit in his coffee so she probably wouldn't be afraid to turn him down, but still- don't hit on people at work, fellas)
One thing I noticed during the ending is when Joe finds Al and Cassie’s body. Joe comforts Al in the same way a woman would comfort her friend after just being sexually assaulted saying things such as, “It’s not your fault”. So many flipped scripts in this movie and I’m living for it.
The absurd horror at the centre of the film is that everyone except Cassie seems to be doing everything in their power to avoid acknowledging the simple truth that what happened to Nina happened, it was horrible, it was a crime. Al is the prepetrator, but to avoid acknowledging that truth, everyone goes out their way to make themselves complicit in his crime. For Cassie, to "let it go" is to become complicit. Yeah there is that brief moment of hope when at least, at LEAST, one person, the scumbag lawyer, is willing to acknowledge the the truth. And it is almost enough, maybe she can live now that someone else knows and she doesn't have to carry the truth all by herself. But then the video, and the truth is more horrible than she'd even imagined, and the complicity is even more insidious, and so all of her options disappear. As far as Cassie can see, there is no way to exist in this world without confronting the truth head on. And this world is so deeply complicit in protecting it's perpetrators that it will not allow Cassie to do so. It sucks. I hate it. But damn. I can't imagine a different ending that would do justice to the story they were telling. The only criticisms I really have it how underutilised Laverne Cox was, and how there are some issues regarding sex workers and stigma that would impact how Cassie's murder was treated by police.
That's a great observation! "Letting it go" implying Cassie would be complicit like everyone else really captivates why she couldn't turn away then. It really helps put you in her mindset at the time.
I liked how Cox was her one true friend, but it would have cool if she had a more important part in the story. Even if Al is not arrested for Cassie's murder, he will probably get convicted for the rape. And besides, it would be worked out that Cassie was not actually a stripper and was most likely posing as one.
I really liked Laverne's role, as dumb as it is, I really appreciated that her character wasn't extremely hammered everywhere. She was just a normal regular woman living her life, being a nice and considerate friend, trying to do her best and being helpful when she can. It was a great addition in a feminist movie talking about rape to have a trans person being seen and portrayed so openly as a woman when it's a terf narrative that trans women are put in the perpetrator and predatory category. it was simple and I liked it for that especially knowing the history of terf is often rooted in irrational projection of fear based on being victim of sexual assault. It's a movie that could have attracted some terfs and it took a step no matter how small to not indulge their bullshit mindset.
I also saw her death as some sort of metaphor for when women commit to making the people accountable for their assault. Coming forward publicly can kill their reputation, they can lose their jobs, etc. and at the end of the day, situations like this will keep happening bc the system is set up that way.
And in many many many cases, this is the real end. That's the worst part, that if the assaulter is someone of reputation, specially with money, or is in a shady business, just trying to get some closure can mean your death.
The thing is a lot of these situations are tricky because it's one of the worst crimes that is the hardest to get evidence for like it's hard to even make a conviction with a lack of evidence is hard to make and hard to argue for and I'd argue that people that are accused get a worse reputation and can kill off a lot of things in their lives which is a major reason why it's hard to get a conviction because false ones can destroy both people's lives in ways
@@jabyalex7868 both of the presidents who ran in the election this past year in the US both have a plethora of assault allegations and look where they are.
I’m personally glad that Cassie is a kind of a self destructive character. I think it’s a lot more realistic. I know if I lost my best friend in circumstances like this, I would probably spiral just like Cassie does. I think it’s a good representation of how violence against women has ripple effects throughout our society and and how it leads us to continue to hurt each other.
exaxtly!!! Revange is always a path to self destruction, she is not moving on, she manages to contain her colateral damage and sticking to being messured with her revange, but that does not change, that she is not moving on!!!
This isn't necessarily just related to this movie, but I have noticed a trend of male viewers watching movies with men who are antagonistic to women (whether they are villains or not) and talking about how it's cartoonish and a hollow jab at men. And then when women watch the same movie, they can relate because they've been treated like that before. It's such a blatant example of not listening to victims. Don't get me wrong, there ARE films that handle it wrong and make men into cartoonish symbols of sexism. But a theres a good chunk of the time where that's not the case and they get the same reviews anyway. Again, I don't think that's what made this movie in particular decisive and I didn't see any comments along these lines for this film. I'm just speaking on movies in general and this video made me think of that lol
Anyone who made that complaint towards Birds of Prey is especially stupid, for many reasons but the main one being that it exists in a world (the DCEU) where heroic and decent male characters exist.
@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 Honestly my feelings towards birds of prey are more on the bit that antagonists are _just_ sexist. I can totally get black mask being a piece of shit in all regards, but without any other intimidation factors aside from his sexism and sexual abuse, it feels more like a cheap way of making the targeted audience of women feel intimidated and uncomfortable. Zsaz (I think that’s how you spell it) also doesn’t really have much intimidation either. It just comes off as kind of lazy to me, like using junpscares to scare you, yes it freaks you out, but without anything to back it up, it just becomes annoying.
This happens to a lot of things including men. If a piece of media depicts a man getting tricked or accused by a women which causes a problem for the men, male viewers will agree/ sympathize and bring examples of similar moments but female viewers see it as bashing women in general and will claim the men who do like the media are all women haters. The problem with my example is there is not talk or social commentary or people acknowledging that it happens.
If they like action films and superhero's villains they don't have the right to call bad people in more realistic films cartoonish. And seeing how popular those two genres are it's high probability that they are...
I ADORED this film. As a survivor myself I found the descriptions of “your name surrounding her” to be so true. That’s fully how it feels. And Mulligan’s acting is incredible. Her choices are so specific and clear and he intentions are always present. I can’t recommend it more.
The "don't rock the boat" mentality sometimes is the worst offender cause invalidates the survivor's pain and shield the abuser from any form of consequence; while the revenge fantasy can be catarthic it really doesn't add to the conversation and stop at "r*pe is bad".
The "dont rock the boat" mentality is literally why most survivor's never tell their stories to the people who need to hear them the most. Especially when it comes to the people who end up with those abusers later on. Like being so afraid to not rock the boat that u cant tell ur childhood abusers new wife that her children may be in danger because u r to scared. More people put in danger to maintain status quo.
Why does that last quote from the actress immediately spark something in me... The continuous portrayal of women in media as "insane" or "crazy" when actually their actions and words have sense and logic and intent is just so jarring to me. John Wick is literally a movie about a grieving husband going on a murderous rampage with little foresight for what was done to his dog, and no one has anything to say about insanity or mental health in that case... Anyways, great video as always, will def check out the movie!
I didn’t necessarily think her ventures gained notoriety-I thought the line about the woman with the scissors was Cassie planting a seed of paranoia to protect other women
I also thought the same thing. The man recognized her and so he thought to be in power but she took back control of the situation by basically responding that it's usuless to think that he just have to avoid her and everything will be fine, that he could keep behaving like that and only had to avoid her. She wants him to feel too unsafe to replay the shit he just did to her to other women
I think the ending is more honest too because so many people say ‘carry a weapon’ to protect yourself from assault. This ending just highlights how pointless that advice is.
I know. It sucks that there’s no sure fire way to protect yourself. Most of us aren’t trained fighters or super physically imposing so we really are in danger
@@alyssapinon9670 I edited my comment, because I saw that I already replied you once. But as I said, you can do what you want, try to protect yourself as much as you want, and you might still get the short end of the stick.
Always pack heat when kidnapping children, drugging rooms of people, tying people up and cutting into them with a scalpel because the person you're cutting may assault you.🤣
@@twistedtrailerparktales2126 Obviously vigilante justice is not the way to go, but I don't see why you would laugh about assault and murder (This is also a comedy, but they never were making fun of these topics).
@@beab-locher6077 I'm laughing at people that witness a psycho premeditate and execute the kidnapping of a child, premeditate and execute the drugging of an entire party, premeditate and plan the tying down of someone and cutting him up with a scalpel and a guy whom had no idea if that scalper was going to end up in his eye of remove his junk (as the women on the view always find hilarious when it happens in real life btw) and say that she is the victim of a premeditated assault by th e man acting to save his own life.
Seeing Bo in his role,I realized why I hate his character so much. Because so does he. I would be willing to bet that part of his process in some of those scenes involves being very angry in his own head at the actions he is portraying. Who knows how to truly upset you than yourself? His performance is awesome from what I see.
mmm. Well I think actors do love to challenge themselves, especially in the opposite of how they are in real life. which is why when people play strikingly bad people, they often get either nominated or outright win Oscars (see both Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix for their roles as Joker, Daniel Day Lewis in several roles There Will Be Blood, Gangs of New York etc). So yeah, I would praise Bo for breaking away and do things he's probably not comfortable with
@@CrazeeAdam as someone who was a theater kid and does public shows on the side for fun I can actually agree. I hate being mean or aggressive in real life, but give me a catty and bitchy character to play and I put everything I have into it. One of my favorite characters to play when I was in drama club in high school was Ms. Katie Osborne from the improve play "Audition for Murder." She was the complete opposite of me but the moment I got my hands on the script I knew she was the character I was gonna try out for and I must have nailed it because I got the part. Probably my biggest acting role in my short career. There's just something so fun about pretending to be someone your not sometimes.
I did theatre (I'm not a very good actor though) and I saw friends who went both ways with their characters. One friend tried to justify to me the Baker's Wife cheating on her husband. Yet, a year before, the lead of the winter play could not stand his character for cheating on his wife.
Could be. "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" is a much lighter show, but I remember reading Samtino Fontana saying he played Greg Serrano as though the character hated himself. Playing a character as self-hating is just as valid as playing a character as fully buying into their own image or as being fully aware of who they are and hiding it.
The scene were Cassie is walking back home, stops & looks nonstop straight to the guys catcalling her, was really powerful... it states her character as fearless and no bs tolerant... I enjoyed this movie even as I cried while they show us her screams at the end. The Lawyer is the only one who seems to get his soul back through regret, apologizing & making up for his previous fail. Overall, excellent movie!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏
@@ella12626 Fucking AL could've been redeemed if he'd shown remorse! The bar for these men (and women, to be fair) was so goddamn low and they tripped over it.
@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 well that doesn’t make him a good guy. He should’ve done that in the first place. We do need to recognize him for his actions and his attempts at changing for the better but it doesn’t make him a good man. It makes him a better one though
I’m a male survivor of s*xual assault but, if anything it has made me even more sensitive to such issues, no matter who they happen to. The film seems to be about the darkness inherent to to all humans and how it can be amped and directed by social influences, even without us noticing, and usually not ending well for anyone.
I wish people would make a movie about a man dealing with Sexual Assault because there's a Sterotype that only happens to women, & men r just Ignored Completely of that happening to them
@@elongatedmanforever1252 There are movies that deal with that subject matter with men, just try and find them. Hell, I just discussed one in my latest video. It would be cool, but whilst this film does talk about the idea of sexual assault from a female perspective, really the actual story wouldn't have been that different if the genders of the characters were reversed.
@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 Really because everytime I discuss it people attack my statements, truth be told Society isn't interested in what men go through or care, Just go outside & you will see it. No if the genders were reversed & Cassie was a guy people would call it Misogynistic, Of a man getting Revenge on a woman who's wronged him, I've been wronged too Im just told to take it & worst of all what happened I didn't even consider it Harrassment
@@elongatedmanforever1252 Sorry that you've gone through that. Again, I said that there have been movies about male sexual assault, even if societal attitudes aren't quite what they should be yet there is probably still media out there that reflects your and other people's experiences. Some would try and make that argument, and it would be as bullshit as saying that this movie as it is is misandrist.
I can see why some dislike the ending. It's pretty disturbing and unexpected, which may have led to some of the negative reactions to it. But I think it's PERFECT for what the movie's going for.
I want to point out that Nina and Cassie can be read as soulmates (the necklace she wears is Nina's), and without her she wasn't going to live. She explained at the her profound admiration and love (platonic, not romantic) for the long gone friend. She suspended her life forever because Nina's death, and is so poetically cruel that Cassie dies in the hands of the man who took her Nina away, but at the same time, Al will always carry her name in the same way Nina carried his name.
I think that’s great and it gives a good example for heterosexual women, that we can have a soulmate who isn’t a man. If we have a soulmate who is a man, it’s all the more likely we will be consumed with him and not be able to escape if he ends up being bad.
My guess is that this movie is too "controversial" to get any Oscars, unlike Joker of course because destructive male rage and revenge is totally normal and unproblematic.
This Movie is not about hating men, this movie is about the rape culture. And how normalized this culture is. I really hope some men realized this culture and change their mindset .
@@Femmeaesthetic as negative, but it still gets trivialised all the time and cause the word is bad, the act often gets excused as well it was not rape, she was to drunk to consent or got herself drugged so her fault, well, she was wearing a short skirt so she wanted the attention. Girls get send home from school for showing their shoulders with the explanation, that it would distract the boys valuing the boys education over the girls and teaching the girls, that boys actions are the girls responsability!!! How about teaching the boys some selfrestraint instead or normalising sexualisation and making excuses for harrasment and worse?! So many argue, if you ever found a guy attractive, he cant rape you, rape in a marrriage only gets recognised as a crime for a shockingly short time. its a normal part of society, that women have to be afraid to be out in the dark, of having to guard their drinks, of having to give their friends their location when they go on a date in case something happens. at least 1 out of 3 women have experience with sexuall harresment like cat calling, guys in a bar not taking no for an answer, getting followed, inaproprietly touched . . . . how is something that is prevelent in every day life not "normalised"?
What I love most about this movie is that it brings to life the fact that most people know at least one person who's been raped, yet don't seem to know any rapists. Many rapists don't realize what they've done is rape, and genuinely believe they are "good people". Edit: changed "good guys" to "good people" since of course not just men rape.
@@lpphillyfan check out the study "Denying Rape but Endorsing Forceful Intercourse: Exploring Differences Among Responders" by Edwards, et al Many rapists are in denial that they are rapists
My father is a shrink and he told me that he went to a seminar where a woman was talking about the psyche of sexual abuser and asked a question about "How many intercourse on average do sexual abuser have that are non consensual ?" and people guessed around 3-4. The answer was "There is no real way to know. They generally don't realize. For them it's just sex with no real differences. If we don't ask each of their lovers and even then we don't have a guarantee they themselves would acknowledge it was non-consensual or tell us, there is no way to know." A lot of the time they don't realize or manage to delude themselves into thinking it still doesn't make them sexual abuser because "it's a grey area" or that the person was secretly consenting.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 It isn’t though. There’s a male character that has a redemption arc and two female characters that are shown in a negative light for ultimately siding against a victim. The movie isn’t just saying “men bad, women good.” The main character is a woman and it’s made clear she’s not supposed to be a good role model and that her decisions in the movie are what lead to a downfall. The movie shows gender doesn’t matter when it comes to morals and that in the end depending on where those morals lie, consequences can be inevitable for them, regardless of gender.
it's the same tone as American Psycho and they actually killed women no men died in this and men only fear prison because this exact crime might happen to them so......
this video old but the "who needs brains, they never did a girl any good" seems like a call back to The Great Gatsby (bc she played Daisy in the movie) bc Daisy has a line where she talks about her daughter "I hope she'll be a fool, that's the best thing a girl can be in this world, a beautiful little fool"
SPOILERS: Movies like this, I think, are in some ways designed to be cathartic. To not show us what we should do, but what we feel like doing. Men get those cathartic murder rampage movies all the time. But this. This feels cathartic to me, including, and maybe especially the ending. Some times I just want to go on a vengeance quest, decide who gets forgiveness and who does not, and not be around to deal with the repercussions. Without the death at the end it would not be so cathartic, because our protagonist would have to figure out how to put her life back together. And that is hard, and messy, and long.
Wow I never thought of it that way. I guess it’s like the Hamilton quote: “dying is easy, living is harder.” It’s kind of sad that death is a more fairy tale ending for her than trying to rebuild her life. Because I have seen revenge stories that tackle the issue of people not knowing what to do after achieving their goals and just spiraling. To drive home the point that revenge won’t make you feel better in the long run
I do find the ending hit so hard also because "realistically" (Due to the age of the case and how the justice system works) it's tragically unlikely that even if she had been able to prove what truly happened, those rapists would most likely still not have been brought to justice. But for murder? They would. Atleast that's something I ended up thinking about at the end.
@M Gagua to be fair, john wick was going around murdering other murderers; guys who were part of criminal gangs. it's sorta like john wick is the badass murder-y version with killers at both ends of the gun, while promising young woman is a more grounded story with morally questionable people at both ends of the (metaphorical) gun.
I think the way they portray people reacting to being confronted with their actions is very realistic. You'll get maybe a few that truly are good people and feel remorse for what they did but you'll get twice as many people who convince themselves that they have done no wrong but may still be nice people. But it's how these people react to mistakes that truly tells you if they're a nice person. These people were once kids that got caught hitting another kid and tried to lie their way out of it. The difference is who started to take accountability for their actions once they grew up
Loved this film! The film reminded me of a quote from Confucius: “Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.” Hollywood tends to make films about revenge focusing on the individuals acting bad but not the systemic problems that enable that behavior. The message is usually "kill the bad people on this list and the hero and their trauma will be fixed." Love the fact that they went there and made every character be shades of grey (like real humans are) to remind us how complex and systemic these issues are and the traumatic ripple effects these have on society. Justice must be had and reflecction needs to lead towards growth and change. There's no revenge act that can magically fix it all.
I don't know if I can see this movie. I was abused by my teacher on my 4rth year of medschool. I was not drunk, I was wearing scrubs, and after that I told my female peer that also had classes with him to be careful. She told me I was just asking for it. I was so depressed and sacred I didn't tell an authority figure (he was more important than I at the hospital so I would be the one to loose the fight and I didn't want to face the trauma again, have everyone else gang against me or telling me it was my fault) sad thing is that it happens all the time in my old college to other girls. I am ok now, I have a husband and 2 cats, I was depressed for a looong time though. Sorry for the bad English
Trust me I understand. Currently in a battle against my ex cult leader/abuser. They want me off the list to testify because I'm an adult now and it happened through my teen years.
@@rbhatt2247 the abuse of power and harrasment is a rampant issue among medical ranks. We would be so sacred to not get on someone's bad side we would practically let ourselves be humiliated to just go unnoticed. Aside from sexual harrasment there was verbal, psychological and physical violence, inhumane punishments and ridiculous rules. I remember being forced to do a 24 hour shift on a high fever and terrible bacterian amigdalitis and later being punished for colapsing on the floor out of exhaustion
SPOILERS One of the things I'm still thinking about after watching this movie is mostly how I went into this expecting a revenge movie, and while it definitely clears the bar for the bare minimum of a female revenge story, it is ultimately not one, or at least I don't think it is completely. I was a bit disappointed when it turned out that she wasn't some serial killer or that her revenge plots weren't focused entirely on destroying her targets lives(apart from the lawyer who I assume she tried to have him killed before changing her mind? though I wouldn't be surprised if she had something else in mind) because that was what I was expecting to see...but in the end, the revenge isn't exactly the point. She is so consumed by grief, rage and emptiness because people absolutely ignore everything that happened. For the same reason why Cassie didn't want to kill the rapist in the end, or set the entire place on fire with the men inside, or actually have the headmistress's daughter assaulted, because she didn't want to get her revenge on them, she wanted them to see how much their actions and ignorance destroyed people's lives. The lawyer saw that, and she gave him a second chance. She let Bo's character walk, even if she could have ruined him completely, and he only suffered because of the choices he still made afterwards(lying to the police officer about her whereabouts). She doesn't hurt the nice guys who are about to assault her every week, doesn't report them, mostly because she goes out every week to remind herself about all this, because she saw the truth and she can't unsee it now like the rest of the world does. Not even Nina's mom wants to face what happened, everyone just wants to move on and get over it, but Cassie can't. In the end, her actions force the people who closed their eyes for so long to see the truth of their actions, and I think ultimately it is a movie about truth and consequences more than revenge. Justice.
I thought it was interesting how nina’s mom seemed to not be as hindered about her daughter’s absence as much as cassie was for the past years. Does that mean the mom wanted to forget what happened to her daughter or simply because she knew she couldn’t do anything about it and decided to accept the outcome?
@@zoezultsetseg773 I think there are a few aspects that go into this comparison. We could take it as the mom fulfilling another part of the system, she closed her eyes to the rape and suicide and simply mourned the death of her daughter, then chose to move on with her life. We can see how much Nina's absence pains her, and she is her mother, of course it would, but she wants it out of the way. There's nothing she can do more about it so she accepts it, as you said. It's also about the trauma, and how different people process it. Cassie chooses, actively chooses throughout the whole movie, to keep onto that pain and injustice by going out every week because she can't forget what happened. I would have loved to see more scenes with Nina's mother, but I think the one we got was telling enough.
I think the worst part of the movie is after Joe finds Al with dead Cassie. he doesn't feel regret for killing her, he's consumed by the idea of the life he'll be losing.
I liked how after Cassie was killed, the way she's laying on the bed is quite biblical too. She's got her arms out like she did in her introduction like a cross. Almost saying that she "died for all of the rapists' sins," but instead of them being forgiven, they were punished. It also felt like she martyred herself for Nina but not necessarily in a bad way.
as i was watching the ending when Al kills her i just kept thinking no she’s smart she planned for this and she’s faking. she’ll pop up and still be alive and she’ll get her revenge. and i was right. she did plan for that to happen and she did pop up and her memory will live on in those she leaves behind, both good and bad, and she did get her revenge. she just won’t be around for it
Spoilers if anyone doesn't want to have ending ruined
Honestly Al getting arrested during his wedding is a beautiful ending for it. He's arrested in public in front of people who like him and a woman who thinks he's the one. Then he gets arrested in front of them all so even if he gets out they won't want to be connected to him anymore.
idk Ties are hard to break even if the person is scum. Family is still family and they will probably fight for them. Hell my aunt still stuck up for he husband even after he beat her and is still a part of her life to this day. Love makes people do stupid things.
Realistically the thing to happen next is that everyone would say "he would never do xy and z, we know him he's too wonderful to do any of that," ive seen situations where a woman was fighting a man in court who had tried to kill her and his family completely sided with him since he had never shown any signs of being like that before. In this fictionally realistic world his bride would think the woman was lying and she would have a very hard time believing that he had killed anyone, his family would also deny everything since as far as they are concerned he is a doctor who would never harm anyone
I’m gonna take a harsher stance than her. If you thought this movie was “man hating” - you’re a part the problem. It’s also interesting that people are quick to point to her as evil or insane when male characters do a lost worse but are worshiped as badass and justified.
I feared the movie might go in that direction, but no, it is so far away from that. It critiques women just as much as men, the only one who shows remorse is a men and even if its hard for her to accept that, she does, she forgives him and gives him a chance to make some of it up. what might trigger men into thinking it says all men is the fact, that the guys are nice guys, normal guys, not supicious easely to identify monsters. they want a clear line between themselfs and bad guys while the point of the movie is, there is no such externaly percivable line. its not all guys, but it could be any guy and one can never know which ones it is
@@youretoopolitical8611 agree, her revange is up to the last one perfecty messured. she just wants them to aknowlage that what they did was wrong and once they do she lets them be. instead of doing some abetrery messured damage for them to pay, she gets them in a situation where they feel the consequences of their actions and how it feels to be at the receaving end. she gives them a chance to get out, she only goes as far as needed. pretty much the only case of revange I aprove of
It seems like a fitting ending though. No one is fully the “good guy” and no one really wins but the bad guys get caught and there are consequences to their actions.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 just admit you're a woman hating incel and leave, you're replying to every single comment thread in this video saying shit like "oH buT wOmEn aRe aLWaYs viCTimIziNG thEMsElVEs whAt aBouT tHE MEn" go fuck yourself asshole
During uni I had been assaulted so many times, even by friends. I don’t think I’ve ever properly met a woman who hasn’t been. Men don’t realise how much creeps their friends are, and don’t realise the impact it has on a person, so they’re just very ignorant of it. this movie seems to portray that so perfectly; It portrays the effects of assault more realistically than films are afraid to do, because films are often afraid to say that men need to be better - even the ones that don’t assault women
I'm a dude & I've been harassed by a girl at the age of 10 where's the story about that?? Oh yeah there will never be, just ignorant nonsense making men out to be Villains I'm tired of this shit.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 except there is. But it doesn’t change the fact there is a very high percentage of males who harass women. Women who harass men ofc exists, but it’s a tiny fraction against men. Men don’t have to wall down the street holding their keys in fear of being harassed. Men don’t get harassed left right and centre by women all the time. Yall just refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem with male privilege and entitlement and only think about yourselves, which enables sh***y men to continue their behaviour
@@elongatedmanforever1252 I agree that men are assaulted or even raped my women, but it's completely derailed when you use it as a counter argument of a women sharing her personal experience of going through assault. I hope you realise how shitty this looks. And secondly it's so important to have these type of stories to show that "boys will be boys" or men are some type of sex animal that love sex because it's this type of mentality that even harm men because a lot of people don't think men can be raped.
@@Peachypee First of all this is made up, Yes men do fear Going to their car at night, wtf do you think a Psychopath or robber looks at me & says Oh you're a man I won't rob you or kill you & tilts his hat & says good day sir lmao 🤣😂 I hope to God you don't actually think that, This Narrative is just used to victmize women, & I'm really suck of it, you talk about "male privledge" what about "Female privledge"?? Because that exists more then you think 🤔
Bo Burnham (the actor) is a good and smart dude. So I still trust Bo, just not the character he portrayed. (I don't think he would have taken the role if he didn't believe in the message and reality of the movie).
As a survivor, I noticed IMMEDIATELY how the death scene had parallels to sexual assault. It was a raw and brilliant way to discuss the violence of the act itself - the literal suffocating nature of being overpowered - and make it the longest take of the movie (the second being the foreboding march to the party). It is difficult to depict the violence of r*pe without accidentally (or intentionally) fetishizing or sensationalizing the act itself; sometimes films trying to create a meaningful and emotional impact (such as the original I Spit On Your Grave, for example) veer into exploitative territory. It's complicated. There's a long history in art of violence against women being framed erotically, so it takes thoughtful framing and breaking film conventions to navigate the blurry lines of violence, sex, and femininity - and this film excels at that. Maybe someday we'll get a film where a regular woman can have her revenge AND get to enjoy it, but I'm so glad we at least now have a film that has found ways to portray the horrors of r*pe without exploitative conventions. I think that's a big first step, and I hope it will inspire future film creators to get innovative with their own approaches to a difficult topic.
thank you for sharing your observations. this is the first time i've seen someone remark on how the death scene resembles sexual assault itself, and it makes perfect sense. and it's so frustrating when shows try to depict on-screen abuse but end up just making it titillating or exploitative.
I wouldn’t watch the movie because of my own trauma( I literally look up parental guidance in shows and movies to not set off my anxiety attacks) but i’m really happy about it’s being made and viewed by a large audience.
I think this movie really hits because growing my mom was very paranoid of something happening to me because she was raped in her own home and 4 out of the 5 people in her group were raped one or more times. So I’ve always kinda knew how deeply it effects the person who was assaulted even after 30 years. And it’s very frustrating how people try to by past this subject because they don’t want to hear it or “I won’t do that so why should I care” especially when most women are sexually degraded in some way by the age of 13.
I actually love the ending, not the fact that she didn't get a happy end but that it was realistic. She was a woman going into a house of men and she knew there was a good chance she wouldn't make it. I just love that it all feels genuine and I don't have to search for an explanation for any of it
I really loved this film. I’m a 20 year old guy, who have seen other guys like this too often. This film hit me to well. Seeing those dickheads “trying” to be “nice” just too get with someone, is very real, and very common. The fact that this film tackles this idea and the theme of “toxic masculinity” in such a unique way is great! The script to this is also one of the best I’ve seen. So much unpredictable twists and turns, that we get crumbles to a bigger cake. But... all the twists made sense. This film really clicked with me. It’s a dark, but true look on some aspects of society. Really dug it.
I honestly think the ending was perfect. When she got smothered I wanted to scream NO but I should have known she planned ahead. I wanted to scream with joy when that first scheduled message came through.
I enjoyed this movie even more than I thought I would. I am glad they chose a more divisive ending, and that that one scene was shot the way it was... no music, and the true length of time that it would have taken to do it. It was hard to watch but powerful. And the acting was fantastic.
This happened to someone I’m close to. The fact that he couldn’t even say the actual word is so true. So much proof and the person that did it still couldn’t say the “r word”.
What I love is that all the "good guys" justified their actions by their young age, yet every single one of them repeated their exact roles as grown ups. Al r*p*d Nina and k*lls Cassandra, the active criminal. He blamed both the víctims. The friend(forgot his name) records the first crime and helps cover up the second one, he encorages Al in both, he is the accomplice, not the agressor but just as guilty. Ryan was just walking by when he witnessed what was being done to Nina, and even though he wasnt' an active participant he didnt do anything yo stop it and kept quiet afterwards. Just as he did knowing Casa, HIS GIRLFRIEND went yo the party and what probably happened. Also kept interacting with the criminals like nothing after both events. He is the "not all men" , that even though he loved the women in hisblife ir whatever, he just lets things like that happen submissively knowing it's wrong, just keeps quiet and does nothing yo help, and believes himself when he says he's a good guys like the rest. But he's just another type of accomplice and a coward. Prefers to be at peace with the monsters than have the balls to take action, stand up the women he claims he loved, or even just socially condemning and not associating with them. Literally won't do even the tiniest shit. And Cassandra, even though she couldnt do anything right away, she won't just take ir, she delt with it even if it meant sacrificing herself and ended up bringing them down. It's a great analogy of a Lot of profiles contexts and dynamics we are discussing nowadays, and the hope un the film is to show that even if it takes time, even if more of us fall, we are no longer silenced, we won't take it anymore. You come at us, and we'll bring You down with us. You *DECIDE* to interfiere with and ruin someone's life by a selfish second of "pleasure"? Well... Be better or be ready.
Honestly, she just hit me as a woman anti-hero. Like, a real anti-hero in the sense the same way men in media get to be all the time instead of the usual redeemed put upon woman with a character arc and cathartic revenge that we usually pass off as an anti-hero when a man in her role would just be called a plain old hero in a dark situatuon.
Women could be too if they stopped making predictable, Cringy Narratives of them being the Victims 24-7 & Actually told a story instead of throwing in Feminist talking points all half assed.
This movie is such a scathing commentary on rape culture and the patriarchy that supports it. It's hard to watch, but it should be required viewing for every cis hetero man.
They nailed it. My friends & I had a rule that 1 would stay sober to protect the others. At a party, my BFF got drunk & a boy took her to his room & locked the door. I knocked until he opened it to say she was fine, revealing her half nude & unconscious body on the floor. He locked me out, so I climbed his balcony & using his ceramic bunny statue, I broke through his glass patio door & knocked him out. I threw her over my shoulder & ran to my car, yelling at our other drunk friend to follow. My BFF actually hated me for it, but I knew I couldn't live with myself if I didn't save her. Damn, if I hadn't I'd be just like this character, I'm sure.
Sadly, I can relate to what happened to Nina. My attacker was the friend of my friend’s brother. I watched this expecting to see a Jane Wick revenge but I was pleasantly surprised by the realistic way Cassie went after the “nice” guys and med school students. The ending was awful but also realistic in how easily she was overpowered and discarded to save the future of the rapist. His actions barely made a dent in his future, but he ruined the futures of two women.
I wonder if it’s the honesty of the ending that has shaken so many people. Something we learn growing up as females it’s that statistically we are overwhelmingly more likely to be the victims of a sexual assault. If that assault is carried out by a male, then physically, there is realistically f*ck all we can do to stop it. It’s a very powerful ending to the film that has left me with a lot of thoughts on how our world works and I can’t yet find the right words to express how it made me truly feel. I don’t think I have watched a film that made me think so much in a long time.
@Thomas G. Linn Uhhh what? I'd wager dollars to donuts that the women you're responding to are all part of "this generation" and they're praising the authenticity of the ending. That's a pretty gross overgeneralization.
@@Wow30035 that's Sexist, Women can Assault a guy & hey away with it, This movie is proving to me it's just fueling a Victimhood in people if anything, I've gotten harassed by a girl when I was young, Just 10 years old she told me to pull my pants down I did, women can do this shit too & this movie insults & enrages me.
I went into this without knowing anything about it other than it was called a thriller/dark comedy. The latter, is hit or miss so I was pleasantly surprised and happy this was well-done. Originally wanted her to SPOILERS to live. However, I do like the idea that she got the last laugh. I understand why she didn't survive but a part of me wanted her to live so she could see her plan play out.
@@xXx-ji5ph //SPOILERS CONT'D// exactly! Some of the reviews bashing this have mostly come from nsb men which doesn't surprise me at all. This movie as unfortunate as the subject is- is very well-done. It shows the "Nice guys" using lines like, "I was a kid/young, etc" or "idk what I was doing or what to do" I hesitated rooting for him and I'm glad bc he turned out to be trash.
@@xXx-ji5ph spoiler content Yeah but I guess not every female heroine can be Beatrix Kiddo or Lisbeth Salander. Especially since Cassie was a med student, Beatrix was one of the deadliest trained assassins in the world, and Lisbeth was a hacker who knew jujitsu and used violence from a young age to protect herself and others. But that’s the thing. Most of us wish we could be Beatrix or Lisbeth but in reality we are just Cassie. We’re not trained soldiers just civilians trying to survive.
This was a fantastic psychological piece. I mean so many factors in play. Sucha a mind fuck. The ending was realistic. Fucked. But realistic. Too many victims, in one way or the other don't get justice. The death of our protagonist was unexpected but brilliant in retrospect.
I loved this film but it broke my heart - I sat and cried for ages after watching it. Highly recommend it for anyone who wouldn't be triggered by themes of sexual assault.
I tried to get evidence of my ex by talking to him as if I was "completely fine and still in love" and he would hint at it but would NEVER explicitly say what he did. I remember how frustrating it was that he knew what he did, referred to it, asked me not to go to the police, yet he still wouldn't full on say what he did so It ended up just being a waste of my time and just caused me more hurt than good . I really like that they had trouble getting him to admit what he did seriously. That was a good decision in the movie.
I’ve known a horrible monster in college who hurt a lot of girls... sadly I was more angry at the school rather than that turd because they only asked him for an essay for the things he did... a f*cking piece of paper.
I know this was a pretty divisive movie for some people. I tried to address some of those complaints in this video, but it’s fine if you didn’t like it! Hopefully we can all agree that Carey Mulligan’s performance was phenominal
She is always amazing!
Yes. Yes it was.
As a girl, who has experienced sexual assault at a young age by someone I trusted. This hits so hard. It made me sad that she and her friend weren't able to get past the pain. You can't ever get past it. It'll always be apart of you but u need to come to terms with it, accept it wasn't your fault and take pride that you survived. My mum had to come to terms with it because she too was there to stop it, it was worse cause she wasn't even in the same country as she had to work to provide food and she wasn't gone long but it was long enough. She deserved better they both did.😢😢😭😭 I have forgiven that person but now I am weary of others and I think I'm a bit more protective of my younger sisters and brothers, cousins and my niece (coming this Feb).
I've been looking forward to PYW since the trailers came out at the end of 2019/beginning of 2020, and was ABSOLUTELY sitting in the theater on Christmas day. I thought it was more about how destructive survivor's guilt is, how Cass would never be able to go back and go with Nina to the party, how the assault destroyed two innocent lives and two innocent families. That sexual assault doesn't need to be violent to be thoroughly destructive.
And, for the record, I've been in the position, involving a friendly acquaintance, alcohol and ignored denial of consent, followed two weeks later with said acquaintance being such a gentleman as to give me a lift and splitting the bill for PP services...followed a month later with the acquaintance publicly threatening me that if I ever mentioned the events to ANYONE, that I would regret it....and he was one of the nice guys, or thought he was. Not all men, of course, but a good percentage more than they will admit or acknowledge...
I think the people who claimed this movie is "man hating" fail to notice that 2 of the people Cassie gets her revenge on are women, who are just as much to blame for Nina and Cassie's situation. This film isn't about how men are bad. It's about how people can be complicit in something horrible and still walk away thinking they are utterly good and blameless.
not only that but she forgave the lawyer because he showed that he felt remorse for what happened and he helped her complete the plan. I don't get how it's man hating when the one who helped serve justice is a man himself.
The “man hating” label is often used to downplay a legitimate viewpoint. People become defensive instead of examining the actual issues, because it makes them uncomfortable. No one wants to confront that sometimes people in a group they belong to do bad things. Instead of taking a moment for self-reflection and consideration, they disregard the whole scenario as “man hating” so they don’t have to think about it at all.
@@angryotter9129 it’s more about non issues subverting the conversation. People have become so used to these types of movies being preachy dissertations about all men being evil that they now prejudge them based on those past experiences.
"To see what is right and not do it is want of courage..."-Yoshimistu from soul calibur, silly as it sounds
@@andrewdriver3318 The fact that so many of them ARE preachy dissertations about all men being evil isn't something to gloss over. There's a reason people are sick of it.
I think this movie talks about something we never discuss: secondary survivors. As someone who is a secondary survivor, the bottomless rage of this film was incredibly relatable, realistic and very much needed.
Facts
I think you spelled it out perfectly. And I actually loved how this movie turned out. I used to rage as a teenager that nothing would happen unless [spoiler] happened.
Survivor's guilt. Should have been there. Could have been there.
Wasn't there.
@Coconut Pal i imagine they are referring to people who were not directly affected by something traumatic but one of their loved ones was. in this case, cassie was not assaulted but her friend being assaulted turned her entire life around. especially when someone was severely traumatized and did not get justice for what was done to them, it is really hard for the people who deeply care for them to not feel just as much anger and grief as the traumatized person
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when Cassie died. i felt my heart sink. i just wanted the men who hurt nina to hurt too even if morally that is questionable...
One of the smartest commentaries of the film was the contrast between how the general attitude towards Nina's r@pe was that it was her fault for drinking, but WITHOUT HESITATION Al is reassured that it's "not his fault" for killing Cassie...when she's literally lying dead beside him.
ALSO, Cassie's revenge was always psychologically manipulative, but overall harmless (other than shocking her victims into a new perspective). Her actions were always with intent, and repercussions are always thought through (which is why the impulse of smashing that guys' car felt like a mistake). Al killed her on impulse because he knew that no matter the harm he causes, there are never any real-life repercussions. This is supported by the fact that he goes so far as to hide her body, and comments on how we live in a world where women (especially sex workers!!!!) are seen as disposable.
This comment!!! Thank you
Ooooo very good take
I dont think the general public would hold the same sentiment, lol. Doesn't mean that them saying she may of had it coming is the right thing, however this observation is stupid, imo. If your raped, youd expect a good friend to say it isn't your fault. However they ARE speaking like HE was the one that was violated by her death. So I suppose there is something there. But it isn't like the general public would say "it wasn't your fault for smothering that girl." Lol. There are many other perfect pieces of social commentaries at play here.
to be fair... it was literally self defence lmao
I think the context of this movie hits even harder as someone who is actually in med school. The characters weren’t college students, they were grown adults in their mid 20s when the initial events happened. And dropping out of med school is a much bigger deal than dropping out of college because it’s even more debt and years wasted, so it really puts into perspective the seriousness of what Cassie chose and how everything affected her.
Yeah definitely, and it makes the fact that they keep saying they were "just kids" hit especially hard.
The events took place 7 years before the story in the movie. So they would have been 23. Not quite in their full mid-20s; only a year out of regular college and about a year into med school.
I hate to tell you, but even if you're 50 and going back to school
You're still a college student.
Yeah the average age of a first year med student is like 24.
@@nachgeben technically med school is university. Not college.
Also, love the character naming. Cassie=Cassandra, as in the myth of Cassandra where a young woman was cursed to always tell the truth but never be believed.
Also the name of my dear sweet mother, one of the strongest people I knew, at least before the last few months of her life.
@@fangirl3086 bro?
@@swampmop sorry I'm a little messed up.
@@fangirl3086 you’re not messed up
Sorry for your loss
@@fangirl3086 glad you still remember her fondly,from the sound of it she seemed amazing
Honestly the fact that Bo Burnham's Character STILL went to the wedding even after he after putting together that in all likelihood the groom murdered Cassie speaks volumes to what kind of man he is.
You can tell he's all about image. Even when the cops show up at the wedding he doesn't care about his friends. He looks around to see if anyone caught him freaking out of the messages. He even adjust his suit during that scene.... Always about what other think of him. When he wants Cassie to forgive him it's not because he's sorry, it's because he can't stand the thought of someone out there who doesn't think he's the golden boy.
One thing I've been trying to figure out is if Madison went to the wedding. I'm pretty sure we didn't see her there -- and if she changed her mind on two of her "favorite people," that's really amazing.
@@joseribamarjr5164 Yeaah I caught that too he is definitely all about image
@@silvertamagachi Yes i did not see Maddy too maybe she learned her lesson and truly regrets her actions
@@silvertamagachi I like to think, and hope, that Madison didn’t go. It seemed like she was so freaked out she got away from all of that and everyone involved.
I feel the ending was supposed to make us feel the anger Cassie had felt throughout the film. It was viscerally realistic and enraged me, but I have a feeling that was the point.
I guess it really is different when it’s someone you love. The foreshadowing there was slick
That was the point, great movie
I just finished watching the film, and boy I can't express this rage I'm feeling right now.
Yeah that would make sense. It puts the viewer in the exact same spot, loosing someone you care about, someone who was with you from the start, who you rooted for just like that. In one moment at the hands of the exact same asshole.
Yup. Loved it.
Not once in the movie the word “rape” was used. They managed to send a powerful message without even using the R word. Crazy good movie.
Facts and without showing a scene that might be triggering to some viewers
I don’t believe they ever explicitly said that Nina committed suicide other. I truly amazing and impactful film.
Plus it never mentioned "sexual harassment". Also, I think it's more powerful that they showed Cassie's reaction to the video rather than the video itself. Carey really did a masterpiece with her acting.
Sp the word rape cant be used now is that what you R saying?
@@matthewbishop8395 the word can be triggering to victims. Hearing or even saying that word is hard and if you have experienced sexual violence then even hearing that word feels like you're reliving it all over again for some survivors. It's not a case of not being allowed to say it, it's a case of it is often unnecessary to say it when you can allude to it, or when it is blatant that that is what is being alluded to.
"This movie HATES MEN, all the men are bad, even Best Boy Bo Burnham!"
Are these people dense? The ONLY character in the film who fully acknowledged their actions and consequences, the ONLY character who received verbal forgiveness from Cassie, the ONLY character who through their redemption earned the right to _help save the day_ and get the shitheads arrested in the end... _WAS A MAN._ THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY. YOU CLODS.
Yeah!!!
Don't try to make that kind of people think reasonably.
It's useless.
@@luiginastro8831 it’s never useless to at least try explaining a point, even if it doesn’t get across
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I mean, it just shows you which people you should just stay away from.
One really brilliant thing is how the movie seems to deliberately cast actors with sunny, likable images like Bo Burnham, Allison Brie, and Connie Britton as characters who are fully complicit in rape culture, with the implied message that if these people can be part of it, anyone can.
Oh brother 🙄
I really like when the actors' images are used to propel a movie in some way. Very neat!
@@calahive5068 I was also really reminded of how Roots did the same thing, casting positively viewed actors like Chuck Connors, Robert Reed, Sandy Duncan, and Lorne Greene as nasty racists.
Seeing Bo turn into one of them really broke my soul
agreed! excellent point
The title is a reference to Brock Turner, a Stanford University student who was convicted of sexual assault in 2016. Despite his conviction, he was referred to by some as a "Promising Young Man."
That case still angers me, how he got his sentence reduced partly due to his being an "Olympic hopeful" swimmer. The fact that he got booted from the team made me smile, although he should have gotten much worse.
didn't he serve like three months? And his father said something like his life shouldn't be ruined by "some seconds of pleasure", or some shit like that? Yeah, that case is deeply upsetting.
@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 Yep. A whole, whopping 3 months was it.
I'm still pissed about this case
@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 I never knew about this case, yet the quote you said really boiled me. Damn
“Just because she was prepared to lose everything doesn’t mean her parents were prepared to lose her.”
Damn.
I felt so bad for them, despite their flaws, they deserved to at least get a note from her or SOMETHING.
I also think about Nina's mom. She seemed close with Cassie and cared about her wellbeing. And now this one horrible event has cost her both her own daughter and her best friend's daughter. Plus, she is going to see that tape at the trial unless she doesn't go or participate at all. I can't imagine that pain.
At least when the trial comes out they’ll know what happened but I agree she should have sent her parents a message as well
I loved the movie, it's the only movie that I've ever seen that focuses on sexual assault that DOESN'T EVER SHOW THE ASSAULT
YES!! There is no need to show sexual assault on screen when dealing with the topic. It feels like writers who show violence like that on screen to prove their point don’t understand how damaging that can be to an audience. You don’t have to explicitly show that kind of violence to understand its impact
@@katepea4959 it’s SO triggering!
Freaking outlander and their gratuitous delivery of humiliation & sexual assault every other episode it felt like. GAG
@@didostempest2966 holy shit this, it makes me so uncomfortable.
Yes! And it's thanks to a wise woman film director. If only the rest could learn
"This movie is about hating men!"... except two of her victims were women, the man that showed actual remorse was forgiven, her dad was never blamed for anything relating to this, the detective and police ended up being able to do their jobs. The point of the film was to show that those who can be held accountable will be held accountable. Honestly one of the best thriller films I have ever heard of.
Two of her victims were women. So when you kill for example 100 men and 1 women, you are taken as women killer or men killer?
@@rojczan1399 neither. you are just considered: a killer.
@@rojczan1399 The fuck were you trying to say, my guy?
@@rojczan1399 Irrational question
@@rojczan1399 You really thought you did something here huh
I love the title “Promising Young Woman”. Two promising young women’s lives were destroyed by the sexual assault.
Yes! It's a kind of twist on how when some men are convicted for commiting sexual assault, they are referred to as "promising young men who lost it all because of this" (this horrible conscious action they commited against someone), as a tragedy, so this movie asks "what about the promising young women who were the victims?".
It's SUCH a great tittle.
Yes, additionally, 'promising young men's' lives were perceived as threatened/at risk, because one woman's alleged experience, and that society has historically valued mens' lives over women's personal accounts & lives.
People who didn't see Jennifer's body: Seth cohen is gonna help her
People who saw Jennifer's body: oh no
Hahahaha literally me
My post-Jennifer's Body brain was immediately on high alert!
The minute I saw him I was like, "GIRL, RUN"
I had literally JUST watched Jennifers body for the first time before I watched this tonight!! So random!
@Medjai K it'd sell OUT. And I'd see it so many times. 💗
As a very sexually active person who had been assaulted, there aren't enough words to convey how hopeless and alone you feel when you seek support and people basically tell you that you deserved it or maybe even liked it
People suck - I'm sorry that happened.
Read on a "blog" - type thing, that a young woman had taken a man home after a night out, had toldd him to stop during sex, but he kept going and HALF THE PEOPLE ON THE F*ING SITE SAID SHE HAD TO LET HIM FINISH SINCE SHE INVITED HIM HOME FOR SEX = HER FAULT/MEN'S SEXUAL NEEDS COME BEFORE YOUR COMFORT/SAFETY...
After that i was seriously feeling the urge to kill people off Dexter/Lumen stylr after that..
@@Cevalip hey love the dexter reference! Honestly sums up how I feel when people victim blame 😡
@@alyssapinon9670 thanks - it was literally the only example of a revene story that doesn't go with the "revenge is wrong/women are crazy" ending.
I'm sad they didn't let us know what happened to lumen but I get why.
I'm so sorry that happened to you dude. Someone I had considered a close friend tried hurting me like that and I still don't know how to express it. I've told my friend why I don't feel comfortable hugging them and I just don't know how to tell him it's because I can barely trust any guy thats nice to me anymore
I just want to tell you that you aren't alone and that I think I understand what you're feeling. Maybe I'm completely wrong but I wish you the best my friend
I’m so so sorry you went through that. What happened to you is not and will never be your fault. I hope you have gotten or are able to get the support that you need. You are incredibly strong and I’m sending all my love to you ❤️❤️❤️
I just watched this movie and I loved it. As an assault survivor I felt very represented (even as a man), and the overall pastel and femenine aesthetic just added for me. Probably this movie hit way too close, but it was like it's made for me. I even felt I healed a little bit, idk
I'm so sorry you had to go through that. nobody deserves it
Sorry you went through that, I'm so happy n proud of how much you've grown n healed, good luck for the future 🍭🦋
Well we're all glad you are still here!
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Im sorry u were assaulted.. ppl are disgusting and evil :(
This movie was such a breath of fresh air to me. It was smart, had great actors, and a twist I didn't see coming. Loved it💯
absolutely IT WAS AGREAT MOVIE
@M A R I N A spoilers if you havent finished.........
At the end my cousin and I were like "No she can't die, shes faking it!" And my cousin actually looked it up because she couldn't take the suspence
Amen!
it's not just about the assaulter. its about how everyone connected enables them. how little you have in term of support or understanding. how even the nicest, most tender dudes can have that spot in their past that they're unwilling to face, or have explained away. when it's someone you care about, it's different.
Not only dudes. Granted it is easy for men to use power over a woman, since statistically they have more strength, it is easy for them to brush it off as "oh that's how guys/men are, always wanting sex" but assault is not just punching and abusing unconscious girl, women also blackmail or pressure people into sex, they use the fact someone is drunk, sleeping or "so ugly he should be grateful" mentality. The thing is we just allow all the types of abuse happen cause as a society we still think sex is taboo and we underappreciate and completely disregard the value and importance of ACTIVE CONSENT.
I am pretty sure many women knowing or thinking about abuse also have things they are ashamed. And granted, it might not be gang r*pe on a guy or attacking him in dark alley as we would like to see the assault, but these are those "small" things that ultimately diregard someone's autonomy and decision
I think that enablers were a big point here.. everyone in the class had video proof of what he had done to her. Not a single person took any action against him. Just because you're not an active participant in someone's assault doesn't mean you did nothing wrong.
@@animeholiczka 1000000000%
@@TheEvilOreo Def agree. Not only did they witness it and not stop it, they were entertained by it. AND they videotaped it. THEN they laughed about it and shared it, after they were sober!! Nobody regretted It? Nobody came forward and fessed up? None of them wanted to face the consequences of doing the right thing. The power of denial and rationalization is the real horror in this film.
benefit of the doubt
So Cassie avenging a friend is "insane", but John Wick killing dozens of people for a dog is justified? Interesting.
But how is Ryan not a bad guy? In his office he shows such ugliness, a gut-level reaction that can only be seen in a cornered animal. I think it shows exactly who he is at his core, even if he lies to himself that he's so great -exactly like the creeps in the bars.
Hey man his dead wife got him that dog! Everyone has to die!!
Don’t forget he stole the car to.
@@Wonderfully_Wicked6664 yet the man who killed Cassie was told 'its not his fault' for LITERALLY killing a woman, who was lying right next to him.
I don't think Cassie is insane but she is no role model for young women. What she was doing was dangerous and unhealthy, I mean it got her killed eventually. John Wick was insane but he was also an assassin who had his home violated, he was beaten and his dog was killed. Killers gonna kill, it's a totally different movie. If Wick's wife was still alive, I'd say he was a dumb ass for risking his life, but he literally had nothing but revenge to live for at that point. I haven't seen this movie yet, but pretending your drunk and agreeing to be alone with a stranger is stupid and risky. You'd never go into a yard with a dog that you don't know. Having said that, I'll probably still see it. It looks like a good movie.
I think it's large part of that is also due to the fact that John Wick is far less grounded in realism than this movie.
John Wick was basically made into an assassin as a child, had scared the mafia into calling him "the person you send to kill the boogeyman", takes down about 40 armed men at once because he's basically superhuman at this point, is basically a blank check for the writers to create deaths as stupid as killing someone with a pencil, and the cherry on the sunday is that he's doing all this because someone killed his dog (which is meant to be fairly absurd).
Meanwhile, I feel like this movie is much more grounded in reality. She isn't superhuman, is doing this to try and cope with a traumatic experience that very likely hits home with the audience, is basically ruining her life in a self-destructive attempt at vengeance instead of moving forwards, and ignoring frequent pleas to just save herself insteas. Even if she *did* get vengeance at the end, it costed her any chance of returning to normalcy because she let it consume her.
John Wick is a pretty thoughtless violent and fun romp that exists purely for the sake of violence and fun. Promising young woman on the other hand is a cathartic, albeit disturbing experience due to her overwhelming self destructive vengeance.
I fully agree that there's a double standard, but what each movie is emphasizing is entirely different. It's like comparing the goofy silver-age comics joker to the recent gritty joker movie, you probably shouldn't be comparing them to each other in that way.
the fact the men involved still get punished for something is what saves the ending for me. Cause it would've been easy to either do the happy ending or to do the really dark ending where they get away with it, but having everyone involved lose actually feels like a satisfying ending
Yes exactly! If Cassie had just died and that was that, I think I would’ve hated it, as realistic as that may be; but the fact that she did get the last word satisfies a little bit of the revenge fantasy for me personally.
honestly if the perps all got away with it I feel like it would make it just as good since it slaps everyone in the face with what would usually happen.
(the possibilities are endless!)
When I still thought they would get away with it I was absolutely sick to my stomach. Probably wouldn’t have been able to sleep. It would have all been too painfully hyper-realistic to have to live through. I don’t think I’ve ever exhaled like when I heard those sirens.
@@peacechickification I 100% agree with you. I felt disturbed until the ending which just made me cheer. Fantastic movie
I was fuming when I thought they would get away with it
The fact that people think John Wick is a sympathetic badass for murdering the men who killed his dog but think that Cassie is a hysterical man hater for psychologically torturing the man responsible for her friend’s rape and suicide says a lot about society.
Personally I think both characters are examples of the quote “I’m not saying it’s right but I get it.” But this movie is kind of a Rorschach test for how people view sexism and rape culture. And boy does it bring out the ugliness in people.
I think Cassie saying “what do you think every woman’s worst fear is” has the same energy as John Wick’s “just a dog” line. Both had their trauma trivialized and now they’re fighting back.
I HATE the fact that whenever a woman makes a movie and men are the villains they have to constantly clarify that they don't hate men I've never seen a male director do that or be asked to do that
This.
@@athenajaxon2397 facts! They see equality as oppression so we have to explain that we aren’t trying to oppress them, we just want to be held to the same standards.
WORD!
@@athenajaxon2397 have you been on Twitter? You constantly have to clarify that you don't hate women if an opinion isn't the main focus of the thread and I'm a woman for godsakes so yes we do this to men as well. The internet is full of shitty people trying to dumb things down to girls vs boys and it's really annoying and stupid. We need to just take things that are made, said or explained at face value if everyone did that with this movie they would see it's a revenge story about PEOPLE not against guys.
It's interesting that in the clip after Al strangles her, that his friend talks to him, tries to reassure and comfort him with the sort of language people should be using when someone tells them they were assaulted "this is not your fault"
Yeah I bitterly laughed at that. Especially because it was implied that if Al ever felt any glimpse of remorse about Nina it's probably what Joe said to him and how Al continued to internalize he wasn't guilty. Amazing contrast to the Madison storyline of her blaming Nina and saying it was Nina's fault. We know it can't be Al's fault, Al's such a nice dude who doesn't mean bad so of course by process of elimination it MUST be Nina. It really was an amazing depiction of how society compulsively needs to coddle men and that ends up severely damaging women as a side affect.
But they do.
@@ArturGlass.C
Thats bs Society Doesn't Coddle men they accuse them of being the spawn of Satan.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 brock turner, look him up
@@validark
I already did years ago.
I think people just prefer happy endings. When characters are in such a tough situation like this and they're rooting for them so hard, and then in the end nobody wins, their instinct is to dislike it. But it's the truth with these kinds of situations. Nobody but the lawyer showed enough remorse for her to be able to forgive and move on, so she had to deal with it some other way. Her way was revenge. It wasn't healthy and it was bound to catch up to her. She was willing to go down if it meant taking the perps down with her. They all lose. In real life you don't get a happy ending, you either learn to live with it or you don't. Nina didn't. And then Cassie didn't. These are the consequences. I'm glad this movie reflected that.
Agreed for sure!
I like a not happy ending. Ever watched 50 States of Fright. Every episode was not a happy ending...Good shit!
My favorite part was that the ending was not happy becuase giving a happy ending would make the movie a fantasy and discredit all the mental strain Cassie felt all these years. These men who hurt Nina were arrsted but I like that they don’t show what happens next and I feel like this important because you come out of the movie without a feeling of catharsis which makes u look at the world around instead of feeling relieved. I believe if the movie was happy we wouldn’t understand how much Cassie actions hurt her as well how she needed to do this
Amen! You never get a happy ending in life💜
*Spoiler* There's still some degree of happy ending, with her getting some sort of justice beyond the grave. Apparently, the first version of the script that was presented to financers ended with Al and Jo disposing of Cassie's body. They couldn't get the financing they needed with the finale being so dark and realistic. Fennel came up with the epilogue happening after Cassie's murder as a compromise. It's still daring and compelling, but it's interesting to note that the part of the film that is criticized the most is the one she had to add in order to make her story more palatable for the industry.
I was raped as a teenager. I went on a psychological revenge mission afterwards that probably hurt me as much as it hurt him, which I've never really seen before in a film. It consumed me for so long. I almost killed myself from it. I went from top of my class to college dropout. I like the note about the guy not being able to say the words and others not remembering, because the closest I ever got to admission or responsibility was "I'm sorry *if* I hurt you." Like, I was bitter about a breakup or something that small. And there's other people who I still can't forgive years later--my Pastor who let everyone slut shame me and throw me out of the Church despite me doing nothing wrong, my parents for saying that I only told them as an excuse for my shitty behavior/loss of scholarship, and myself for "letting" the situation cut me down so bad, consume me, and break me. I'm still not whole, but I want to be now and that's a huge change for me
Not that a stranger's words count for much but I'm so sorry this happened to you. Praying for peace and healing for you🤍
Hey thanks so much for sharing your story. I hope you continue to get better, you're gonna do great!
@@AmandaTheJedi thanks for sharing the movie with us. It would probably be too much for me to watch, but it's good to hear that a different take on the female revenge movie. I like that it doesn't have a happy ending because that's how it would go if you don't realize that you need to stop and move forward
@@annasmith6090 thank you :)
I'm sorry you were treated so terribly, and I'm furious at those who refused to believe you or treat you with the love and compassion you deserve. Your story brings tears to my eyes, but you seem to be incredibly strong. May your future be bright.
you know what I really liked about the movie? we don't see nina once. we don't have any idea how she looked like. we know her so much and end up loving her so much because of how cassie loves and misses her, but she don't even have a casting actress, for a flashback scene or whatever. this movie is so deep, I love it
I hated that about the movie. It felt so unfair to me that even in death Nina’s story isn’t about her.
@@Wwumzymumzy that’s the point tho, even tho it’s her story, her assault, it’s all about Al hence the name being a spin on the phrase “promising young man”
Not seeing her at all really shows the finality of death... it's a devoid space in the movie just like it's a devoid space in the protagonist's life
@@Wwumzymumzy I also really enjoy that we're not shown what Nina looks like. It was a good decision. I feel like having an actress could potentially play into some really damaging tropes, such as "white woman syndrome" (I assume she is white since her mother in the movie is white, but still). Having her be conventionally (un)attractive could also derail the point of the story or how we view her as a victim. Not seeing her prevents us judging what happened to her in relation to her physical appearance / stereotype / etc. Very good choice not to show her in the movie!
Nina is every woman. Every faceless, nameless Jane Doe assault victim that was once a promising young woman but derailed and erased by the system. It's not really about Nina, the character - it's about all those women she represents.
I thought that Cassie's death was symbolism of when someone is sexually assaulted. When a person chooses to assault someone it's like taking a pillow and suffocating them. Killing something within them and mentally changing them. While Al suffocates Cassie, he keeps saying this is your fault which deniers often say to survivors.
most women would rather be murdered than raped but men rarely believe me when I tell them this
I think she had died a long time before that.. her heart was just still beating.
"The kind of murder where nobody dies"
Yeah and the struggle before he began smothering her where he was on top of her is deeply reminiscent of/directly symbolizes rape
@@cvltclassic893 yeeeeeup. as a survivor it was hard to watch because what i was 'shouting' at the screen was basically what i did to get to the end of my assault.
i truly felt that the ending was imperfectly perfect. cassie's end was realistic and the fact that she cared about nina so much to lose everything was what stood out to me the most. i felt like giving each character flaws and making them realistic is why this movie is so divisive, since people see parts of themselves on screen that they don't typically enjoy.
Oh my god, the point you made about the ‘dead stripper’ scene being something you might see in a Hangover movie is SPOT ON. It’s exactly the description of what the trivialization of violence against women in media looks like.
I was date raped when I was drunk and when I told my roommate she said it wasn’t rape because it wasn’t violent enough. I told him no, I told him no, I told him no. I was in pain afterwards, but somehow not rape. I was afraid because I was drinking underage that I’d get in trouble too. So nothing happened, then about 17 years later I came to terms with it all.
I'm sorry it happenned to you, and had to hear what your roomate said to you. I'm glad you're coming to terms with it.
It's a really stupid perspective that rape or other form of sexual abuse has to be violent. Pain is pain. Whether it's physical or mental.
I hope you're surrounded by more supportive people who validates your experience now.
I am sorry this happened to you, and that your roommate reacted that way. They were wrong.
❤❤you're not alone
i hope ur doing better today.
Queen Ani much better, thank you.
The ending is just realistic in my eyes. This happens every day to thousands of women and they're paid dust, their cases going cold.
Yeah Fennell said it was really important to her to maintain realism in that moment and that while the movie is existing in a slightly heightened reality to some extent, the second Cassie tried to elevate her actions it would flip
Al runs as a Dem and then everyone forgets is the real ending
Fuck... Reality hurts.
exactly!
I especially liked that the death scene took sooo long because it shows that, yeah, smothering someone to death isn't quick, and he had PLENTY of time to calm down and not kill her, so there's absolutely no brushing that off as being "in the heat of the moment" or an accident. He chose to kill her.
Not every man in the movie was bad. The lawyer redeemed himself to the point Cassie trusted him to take care of her mission when she was gone. I think that really spoke volumes about how men have the capacity for good and to make the right decision.
@Someone 333 of course he’s good he’s mr krabs
Not every man but one. Not much better is it. If the movie was gender reversed if would be seen as misgonyistic.
Also your last sentence is so condescending, "omg maybe men can actual be good human beings who'd have thought!" Uh anyone who's not a misandrist would've thought that and wouldn't think it "spoke volumes".
@@shrisiva4016 if the genders in the movie were reversed it wouldnt fucking make sense dolt. I get youre 12 and hate sjws but please grow up before trying to watch a movie with actual things to say
@@shrisiva4016 the point of what OP is saying is that the movie isn’t some kind of anti men agenda, which some men takes it away as, which made a bunch of people having to comment - this being one of them - to clarify. The comment is just trying to point out that not all the men in the movie are depicted as evil or sinister. The movie has more bad men focused because it’s trying to criticize such behavior that are unfortunately very much real and trying to make the audience realize how much damage it truly cause to victims and to their close ones. Stop being so nitpicky with comments and just take away the good moral lesson.
@@shrisiva4016it’s to highlight evil people of sexual assault and that the people in general just treat victims of SA as the one at fault and how they normalise rape culture. This is NOT misandrist at any capacity and not only is your comment ignorant and blatant but it also shows how shallow of a human being you are.
“In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.” - Judith Lewis Herman
This movie was incredible, and as a woman who has experienced men taking advantage of her....I fully was disturbed by how the men thought they weren't doing anything wrong at all.
Yuppp I get that.
I'm sorry to hear this. No man has a right to take advantage of any women and there's no excuse for it, especially if she was drunk or what she was wearing. Any man who says " I'm a nice guy" after he tries to take advantage of any women is not a nice guy, hes a sexual predator.
@@JJ-94 I hear what you're saying, but is every drunk sexual experience bad? If the guy is just as intoxicated why is it all on him? I mean yeah if you're trying to have sex with a woman that's unconscious or half unconscious, are using force or violence it's a pretty clear line, but are you saying it's just wrong to hookup with a girl that's drinking at all?
@@davidmayberry3190 lol I think it depends on the degree of how drunk they are
If they just have a couple cans of beer, and are talking just fine
Then they give consent u’re okay
As a woman, I will never try to fuck a drunk or/and unconscious man when I’m drunk
If I’m interested in them, I’ll prob just bring them to THEIR own home
Leave a note saying take care whatever with my contact and go home myself lol
And I’ve also heard when men are really really drunk they can’t get their penis up (I’m not sure if it’s true or if it’s only for some people )
If it’s true, then a very very drunk man,who can’t think well, would prob be unable to do shit to another drunk man or woman
@@davidmayberry3190 the way the comments before you literally was talking about "taking advantage" of a drunk person specifically and not about whether its okay to have sex with anyone who has had any amount of alcohol at all really makes me questions your intentions,and yk if you cant tell the difference between the two just stay away from sexually engaging with people who are drinking.
The whole time I was confused when everyone would say“we were kids” , they were in med school, it was 7 years ago. Not that long ago. As if they can’t remember anything from that time.
That's part of the point--they're trying to explain away their behavior instead of actually taking responsibility for what they did/what they were a part of. Plenty of people use the excuse "It was so long ago/we were just kids/I've changed" instead of saying "I did something wrong and I'm sorry."
Oh my god I know right you guys were not kids you were in college you were adults.
I thought the same thing
Honestly a movie about a women killing or at least mutilating evil rapists would've been kinda cool, like a female death wish or john wick, but the way they did it is infinitely better. It's at the very least satisfying that justice got served, unlike unfortunate cases irl
There are too many of those movies frankly I’m glad this did something different and better
Dude check out hard candy or I spit on your grave if you want that kind of movie
Have you ever watched "Baise Moi" ?by Virginie Despentes
Revenge I hear is a good one too, haven’t seen it
@@coffeeandhorror it is a good one.. the R scene is pretty graphic so trigger warning I tend to fast forward through those but the rest of the film is pretty good
SPOILERS
Should’ve known Bo wasn’t a ‘nice guy’ when she gave him the wrong number and he didn’t accept it as ‘no’
That and hitting on her at work (although I guess that might be mitigated by her being willing to spit in his coffee so she probably wouldn't be afraid to turn him down, but still- don't hit on people at work, fellas)
Especially when he turned on her and said she should’ve told him she wasn’t interested I was so confused 😭😭 she told him no in so many ways.
Oh shiiiit nice catch
It's a romcom creep trope that always flies under the radar :/
@@artheaux666 if you ask a guy on a date and he accepts but never shows up what do you do? Do you confront him?
@@river8142 I think that’s why they included it
One thing I noticed during the ending is when Joe finds Al and Cassie’s body. Joe comforts Al in the same way a woman would comfort her friend after just being sexually assaulted saying things such as, “It’s not your fault”. So many flipped scripts in this movie and I’m living for it.
I remember seeing that clip and thinking “huh, that’s an interesting choice of words” but I never really thought about it omg
The absurd horror at the centre of the film is that everyone except Cassie seems to be doing everything in their power to avoid acknowledging the simple truth that what happened to Nina happened, it was horrible, it was a crime. Al is the prepetrator, but to avoid acknowledging that truth, everyone goes out their way to make themselves complicit in his crime. For Cassie, to "let it go" is to become complicit.
Yeah there is that brief moment of hope when at least, at LEAST, one person, the scumbag lawyer, is willing to acknowledge the the truth. And it is almost enough, maybe she can live now that someone else knows and she doesn't have to carry the truth all by herself.
But then the video, and the truth is more horrible than she'd even imagined, and the complicity is even more insidious, and so all of her options disappear.
As far as Cassie can see, there is no way to exist in this world without confronting the truth head on. And this world is so deeply complicit in protecting it's perpetrators that it will not allow Cassie to do so. It sucks. I hate it. But damn. I can't imagine a different ending that would do justice to the story they were telling.
The only criticisms I really have it how underutilised Laverne Cox was, and how there are some issues regarding sex workers and stigma that would impact how Cassie's murder was treated by police.
That's a great observation! "Letting it go" implying Cassie would be complicit like everyone else really captivates why she couldn't turn away then. It really helps put you in her mindset at the time.
I liked how Cox was her one true friend, but it would have cool if she had a more important part in the story. Even if Al is not arrested for Cassie's murder, he will probably get convicted for the rape. And besides, it would be worked out that Cassie was not actually a stripper and was most likely posing as one.
Those were my thoughts, too. Weakness of character to not do the right thing, denial and rationalization are the real horrors in this movie.
I really liked Laverne's role, as dumb as it is, I really appreciated that her character wasn't extremely hammered everywhere. She was just a normal regular woman living her life, being a nice and considerate friend, trying to do her best and being helpful when she can. It was a great addition in a feminist movie talking about rape to have a trans person being seen and portrayed so openly as a woman when it's a terf narrative that trans women are put in the perpetrator and predatory category. it was simple and I liked it for that especially knowing the history of terf is often rooted in irrational projection of fear based on being victim of sexual assault. It's a movie that could have attracted some terfs and it took a step no matter how small to not indulge their bullshit mindset.
@@ArturGlass.C "trans women are put in the perpetrator and predatory category" sounds familiar to certain female author that wrote books of wizards
I also saw her death as some sort of metaphor for when women commit to making the people accountable for their assault. Coming forward publicly can kill their reputation, they can lose their jobs, etc. and at the end of the day, situations like this will keep happening bc the system is set up that way.
And in many many many cases, this is the real end. That's the worst part, that if the assaulter is someone of reputation, specially with money, or is in a shady business, just trying to get some closure can mean your death.
@@Kirayni absolutely right!!
I like this analogy, hadn't thought about it like that👌🏾
The thing is a lot of these situations are tricky because it's one of the worst crimes that is the hardest to get evidence for like it's hard to even make a conviction with a lack of evidence is hard to make and hard to argue for and I'd argue that people that are accused get a worse reputation and can kill off a lot of things in their lives which is a major reason why it's hard to get a conviction because false ones can destroy both people's lives in ways
@@jabyalex7868 both of the presidents who ran in the election this past year in the US both have a plethora of assault allegations and look where they are.
I’m personally glad that Cassie is a kind of a self destructive character. I think it’s a lot more realistic. I know if I lost my best friend in circumstances like this, I would probably spiral just like Cassie does. I think it’s a good representation of how violence against women has ripple effects throughout our society and and how it leads us to continue to hurt each other.
exaxtly!!! Revange is always a path to self destruction, she is not moving on, she manages to contain her colateral damage and sticking to being messured with her revange, but that does not change, that she is not moving on!!!
This isn't necessarily just related to this movie, but I have noticed a trend of male viewers watching movies with men who are antagonistic to women (whether they are villains or not) and talking about how it's cartoonish and a hollow jab at men. And then when women watch the same movie, they can relate because they've been treated like that before. It's such a blatant example of not listening to victims. Don't get me wrong, there ARE films that handle it wrong and make men into cartoonish symbols of sexism. But a theres a good chunk of the time where that's not the case and they get the same reviews anyway. Again, I don't think that's what made this movie in particular decisive and I didn't see any comments along these lines for this film. I'm just speaking on movies in general and this video made me think of that lol
american psycho is a film these guys love, and has a police shootout and exploding cop car..... that's cartooonish
Anyone who made that complaint towards Birds of Prey is especially stupid, for many reasons but the main one being that it exists in a world (the DCEU) where heroic and decent male characters exist.
@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 Honestly my feelings towards birds of prey are more on the bit that antagonists are _just_ sexist. I can totally get black mask being a piece of shit in all regards, but without any other intimidation factors aside from his sexism and sexual abuse, it feels more like a cheap way of making the targeted audience of women feel intimidated and uncomfortable. Zsaz (I think that’s how you spell it) also doesn’t really have much intimidation either. It just comes off as kind of lazy to me, like using junpscares to scare you, yes it freaks you out, but without anything to back it up, it just becomes annoying.
This happens to a lot of things including men. If a piece of media depicts a man getting tricked or accused by a women which causes a problem for the men, male viewers will agree/ sympathize and bring examples of similar moments but female viewers see it as bashing women in general and will claim the men who do like the media are all women haters. The problem with my example is there is not talk or social commentary or people acknowledging that it happens.
If they like action films and superhero's villains they don't have the right to call bad people in more realistic films cartoonish. And seeing how popular those two genres are it's high probability that they are...
I ADORED this film. As a survivor myself I found the descriptions of “your name surrounding her” to be so true. That’s fully how it feels. And Mulligan’s acting is incredible. Her choices are so specific and clear and he intentions are always present. I can’t recommend it more.
Coffee ✍️ spitting ✍️ is ✍️ flirting ✍️
r/are straight people okay
Gus likes it alright!
@@muse5633 r/no not really
Hey sabrina
Is an assault!
The "don't rock the boat" mentality sometimes is the worst offender cause invalidates the survivor's pain and shield the abuser from any form of consequence; while the revenge fantasy can be catarthic it really doesn't add to the conversation and stop at "r*pe is bad".
She's very similar to Dr Kind Schultz from Django. The character was so set on revenge they sacrificed themselves to the cause in the end.
predators are wolves in sheep's clothing
k S Interesting way of looking at it
The "dont rock the boat" mentality is literally why most survivor's never tell their stories to the people who need to hear them the most. Especially when it comes to the people who end up with those abusers later on. Like being so afraid to not rock the boat that u cant tell ur childhood abusers new wife that her children may be in danger because u r to scared. More people put in danger to maintain status quo.
Why does that last quote from the actress immediately spark something in me... The continuous portrayal of women in media as "insane" or "crazy" when actually their actions and words have sense and logic and intent is just so jarring to me. John Wick is literally a movie about a grieving husband going on a murderous rampage with little foresight for what was done to his dog, and no one has anything to say about insanity or mental health in that case... Anyways, great video as always, will def check out the movie!
@M Gagua
Honestly it's getting kinda Cringy.
I didn’t necessarily think her ventures gained notoriety-I thought the line about the woman with the scissors was Cassie planting a seed of paranoia to protect other women
That's exactly what I thought
I also thought the same thing. The man recognized her and so he thought to be in power but she took back control of the situation by basically responding that it's usuless to think that he just have to avoid her and everything will be fine, that he could keep behaving like that and only had to avoid her. She wants him to feel too unsafe to replay the shit he just did to her to other women
Exactly. I'm positive she was lying, which is an amazing idea, because it actually might hinder people in doing horrible things to defenceless people.
And it worked lol. That guy was crying like some idiot
I think the ending is more honest too because so many people say ‘carry a weapon’ to protect yourself from assault. This ending just highlights how pointless that advice is.
I know. It sucks that there’s no sure fire way to protect yourself. Most of us aren’t trained fighters or super physically imposing so we really are in danger
@@alyssapinon9670 I edited my comment, because I saw that I already replied you once. But as I said, you can do what you want, try to protect yourself as much as you want, and you might still get the short end of the stick.
Always pack heat when kidnapping children, drugging rooms of people, tying people up and cutting into them with a scalpel because the person you're cutting may assault you.🤣
@@twistedtrailerparktales2126 Obviously vigilante justice is not the way to go, but I don't see why you would laugh about assault and murder (This is also a comedy, but they never were making fun of these topics).
@@beab-locher6077 I'm laughing at people that witness a psycho premeditate and execute the kidnapping of a child, premeditate and execute the drugging of an entire party, premeditate and plan the tying down of someone and cutting him up with a scalpel and a guy whom had no idea if that scalper was going to end up in his eye of remove his junk (as the women on the view always find hilarious when it happens in real life btw) and say that she is the victim of a premeditated assault by th e man acting to save his own life.
Seeing Bo in his role,I realized why I hate his character so much.
Because so does he. I would be willing to bet that part of his process in some of those scenes involves being very angry in his own head at the actions he is portraying. Who knows how to truly upset you than yourself?
His performance is awesome from what I see.
mmm. Well I think actors do love to challenge themselves, especially in the opposite of how they are in real life. which is why when people play strikingly bad people, they often get either nominated or outright win Oscars (see both Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix for their roles as Joker, Daniel Day Lewis in several roles There Will Be Blood, Gangs of New York etc). So yeah, I would praise Bo for breaking away and do things he's probably not comfortable with
@@CrazeeAdam as someone who was a theater kid and does public shows on the side for fun I can actually agree. I hate being mean or aggressive in real life, but give me a catty and bitchy character to play and I put everything I have into it. One of my favorite characters to play when I was in drama club in high school was Ms. Katie Osborne from the improve play "Audition for Murder." She was the complete opposite of me but the moment I got my hands on the script I knew she was the character I was gonna try out for and I must have nailed it because I got the part. Probably my biggest acting role in my short career. There's just something so fun about pretending to be someone your not sometimes.
@@fangirl3086 Plus, everyone loves playing a villain at least once in a while. Even Tom Cruise has played an asshole before.
I did theatre (I'm not a very good actor though) and I saw friends who went both ways with their characters. One friend tried to justify to me the Baker's Wife cheating on her husband. Yet, a year before, the lead of the winter play could not stand his character for cheating on his wife.
Could be. "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" is a much lighter show, but I remember reading Samtino Fontana saying he played Greg Serrano as though the character hated himself. Playing a character as self-hating is just as valid as playing a character as fully buying into their own image or as being fully aware of who they are and hiding it.
The scene were Cassie is walking back home, stops & looks nonstop straight to the guys catcalling her, was really powerful... it states her character as fearless and no bs tolerant... I enjoyed this movie even as I cried while they show us her screams at the end. The Lawyer is the only one who seems to get his soul back through regret, apologizing & making up for his previous fail. Overall, excellent movie!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏
I cant believe that message said, "there are no good male characters" as if all movies ever haven't avoided having good female characters 😂
and the lawyer! to show true remorse like that! He understood he was ruining people's lives before.
Literally if Ryan had shown remorse he would have been forgiven. Like the bare minimum. All he had to do was admit his fault and apologize.
@@ella12626 he even got a second chance with the police investigator, but he still chose to be a bystander and not help the true victim
@@ella12626 Fucking AL could've been redeemed if he'd shown remorse! The bar for these men (and women, to be fair) was so goddamn low and they tripped over it.
@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 well that doesn’t make him a good guy. He should’ve done that in the first place. We do need to recognize him for his actions and his attempts at changing for the better but it doesn’t make him a good man. It makes him a better one though
I’m a male survivor of s*xual assault but, if anything it has made me even more sensitive to such issues, no matter who they happen to. The film seems to be about the darkness inherent to to all humans and how it can be amped and directed by social influences, even without us noticing, and usually not ending well for anyone.
Hope you are doing well currently.
I wish people would make a movie about a man dealing with Sexual Assault because there's a Sterotype that only happens to women, & men r just Ignored Completely of that happening to them
@@elongatedmanforever1252 There are movies that deal with that subject matter with men, just try and find them. Hell, I just discussed one in my latest video. It would be cool, but whilst this film does talk about the idea of sexual assault from a female perspective, really the actual story wouldn't have been that different if the genders of the characters were reversed.
@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 Really because everytime I discuss it people attack my statements, truth be told Society isn't interested in what men go through or care,
Just go outside & you will see it.
No if the genders were reversed & Cassie was a guy people would call it Misogynistic,
Of a man getting Revenge on a woman who's wronged him,
I've been wronged too Im just told to take it & worst of all what happened I didn't even consider it Harrassment
@@elongatedmanforever1252 Sorry that you've gone through that. Again, I said that there have been movies about male sexual assault, even if societal attitudes aren't quite what they should be yet there is probably still media out there that reflects your and other people's experiences. Some would try and make that argument, and it would be as bullshit as saying that this movie as it is is misandrist.
I can see why some dislike the ending. It's pretty disturbing and unexpected, which may have led to some of the negative reactions to it. But I think it's PERFECT for what the movie's going for.
I want to point out that Nina and Cassie can be read as soulmates (the necklace she wears is Nina's), and without her she wasn't going to live. She explained at the her profound admiration and love (platonic, not romantic) for the long gone friend. She suspended her life forever because Nina's death, and is so poetically cruel that Cassie dies in the hands of the man who took her Nina away, but at the same time, Al will always carry her name in the same way Nina carried his name.
I think that’s great and it gives a good example for heterosexual women, that we can have a soulmate who isn’t a man. If we have a soulmate who is a man, it’s all the more likely we will be consumed with him and not be able to escape if he ends up being bad.
Carey Mulligan needs to win an Oscar for Promising Young Woman
Couldn't agree more
Absolutely!
She's a Joker
My guess is that this movie is too "controversial" to get any Oscars, unlike Joker of course because destructive male rage and revenge is totally normal and unproblematic.
@@lolsous bruh wtf Joker was a LOT more controversial than this movie
This
Movie is not about hating men, this movie is about the rape culture. And how normalized this culture is. I really hope some men realized this culture and change their mindset .
…we as people.
If it’s about rape culture then why are you only hoping that men realized it?
@@paytonyoder1260 because sexual assault, while it can happen to anyone by anyone, is an overwhelmingly gendered form of abuse.
Rape happens but there not normalised by society, a lot of people view rape as negative
@@Femmeaesthetic as negative, but it still gets trivialised all the time and cause the word is bad, the act often gets excused as well it was not rape, she was to drunk to consent or got herself drugged so her fault, well, she was wearing a short skirt so she wanted the attention. Girls get send home from school for showing their shoulders with the explanation, that it would distract the boys valuing the boys education over the girls and teaching the girls, that boys actions are the girls responsability!!! How about teaching the boys some selfrestraint instead or normalising sexualisation and making excuses for harrasment and worse?!
So many argue, if you ever found a guy attractive, he cant rape you, rape in a marrriage only gets recognised as a crime for a shockingly short time.
its a normal part of society, that women have to be afraid to be out in the dark, of having to guard their drinks, of having to give their friends their location when they go on a date in case something happens. at least 1 out of 3 women have experience with sexuall harresment like cat calling, guys in a bar not taking no for an answer, getting followed, inaproprietly touched . . . . how is something that is prevelent in every day life not "normalised"?
What I love most about this movie is that it brings to life the fact that most people know at least one person who's been raped, yet don't seem to know any rapists. Many rapists don't realize what they've done is rape, and genuinely believe they are "good people".
Edit: changed "good guys" to "good people" since of course not just men rape.
I think it's also that rapists most likely aren't gonna tell anyone that they did.
@@lpphillyfan check out the study "Denying Rape but Endorsing Forceful Intercourse: Exploring Differences Among Responders" by Edwards, et al
Many rapists are in denial that they are rapists
My father is a shrink and he told me that he went to a seminar where a woman was talking about the psyche of sexual abuser and asked a question about "How many intercourse on average do sexual abuser have that are non consensual ?" and people guessed around 3-4. The answer was "There is no real way to know. They generally don't realize. For them it's just sex with no real differences. If we don't ask each of their lovers and even then we don't have a guarantee they themselves would acknowledge it was non-consensual or tell us, there is no way to know."
A lot of the time they don't realize or manage to delude themselves into thinking it still doesn't make them sexual abuser because "it's a grey area" or that the person was secretly consenting.
@@Sleipnirseight Yea. Exactly.
@@Sleipnirseight is this a video or a book?
Any man who looks at this and thinks it's misandrist in the slightest, needs to rethink how they look at, (and possibly treat) women.
that's it
@@elongatedmanforever1252 It isn’t though. There’s a male character that has a redemption arc and two female characters that are shown in a negative light for ultimately siding against a victim. The movie isn’t just saying “men bad, women good.” The main character is a woman and it’s made clear she’s not supposed to be a good role model and that her decisions in the movie are what lead to a downfall. The movie shows gender doesn’t matter when it comes to morals and that in the end depending on where those morals lie, consequences can be inevitable for them, regardless of gender.
it's the same tone as American Psycho and they actually killed women
no men died in this and men only fear prison because this exact crime might happen to them so......
@@procrastinationismyspecial9162 Thank you for putting it into words so well that the idiot comment is gone :]
@@TheRealZyconis just noticed this now lol glad I explained it well:)
this video old but the "who needs brains, they never did a girl any good" seems like a call back to The Great Gatsby (bc she played Daisy in the movie) bc Daisy has a line where she talks about her daughter "I hope she'll be a fool, that's the best thing a girl can be in this world, a beautiful little fool"
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Movies like this, I think, are in some ways designed to be cathartic. To not show us what we should do, but what we feel like doing. Men get those cathartic murder rampage movies all the time.
But this. This feels cathartic to me, including, and maybe especially the ending. Some times I just want to go on a vengeance quest, decide who gets forgiveness and who does not, and not be around to deal with the repercussions.
Without the death at the end it would not be so cathartic, because our protagonist would have to figure out how to put her life back together. And that is hard, and messy, and long.
Wow I never thought of it that way. I guess it’s like the Hamilton quote: “dying is easy, living is harder.”
It’s kind of sad that death is a more fairy tale ending for her than trying to rebuild her life. Because I have seen revenge stories that tackle the issue of people not knowing what to do after achieving their goals and just spiraling. To drive home the point that revenge won’t make you feel better in the long run
I do find the ending hit so hard also because "realistically" (Due to the age of the case and how the justice system works) it's tragically unlikely that even if she had been able to prove what truly happened, those rapists would most likely still not have been brought to justice.
But for murder? They would.
Atleast that's something I ended up thinking about at the end.
Y’all know her and John Wick would probably see eye to eye. If he’s not crazy, neither is she
She is crazy & condescending.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 are you just going around to each comment on this video with your misogyny? cause that's seriously what it looks like.
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They are called Opinions you degenerate it has nothing to do with misogyny just because you dont like it, doesn't make it sexist.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 proof that conservative have no introspection
@M Gagua to be fair, john wick was going around murdering other murderers; guys who were part of criminal gangs. it's sorta like john wick is the badass murder-y version with killers at both ends of the gun, while promising young woman is a more grounded story with morally questionable people at both ends of the (metaphorical) gun.
I think the way they portray people reacting to being confronted with their actions is very realistic. You'll get maybe a few that truly are good people and feel remorse for what they did but you'll get twice as many people who convince themselves that they have done no wrong but may still be nice people. But it's how these people react to mistakes that truly tells you if they're a nice person. These people were once kids that got caught hitting another kid and tried to lie their way out of it. The difference is who started to take accountability for their actions once they grew up
called rationalisation, a form of mental denial
The moment that she stared down the construction workers was incredible
Loved this film! The film reminded me of a quote from Confucius: “Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.” Hollywood tends to make films about revenge focusing on the individuals acting bad but not the systemic problems that enable that behavior. The message is usually "kill the bad people on this list and the hero and their trauma will be fixed." Love the fact that they went there and made every character be shades of grey (like real humans are) to remind us how complex and systemic these issues are and the traumatic ripple effects these have on society. Justice must be had and reflecction needs to lead towards growth and change. There's no revenge act that can magically fix it all.
I don't know if I can see this movie. I was abused by my teacher on my 4rth year of medschool. I was not drunk, I was wearing scrubs, and after that I told my female peer that also had classes with him to be careful. She told me I was just asking for it. I was so depressed and sacred I didn't tell an authority figure (he was more important than I at the hospital so I would be the one to loose the fight and I didn't want to face the trauma again, have everyone else gang against me or telling me it was my fault) sad thing is that it happens all the time in my old college to other girls. I am ok now, I have a husband and 2 cats, I was depressed for a looong time though. Sorry for the bad English
I'm so sorry for you, as a boy who was abused by an elder man while at school, i send you a hug, no one deserves what you went through.
@@josereyes7465 I'm so sorry that hapened to you, I hope you're ok now
Trust me I understand. Currently in a battle against my ex cult leader/abuser. They want me off the list to testify because I'm an adult now and it happened through my teen years.
So sorry this happened to all of you and continues to happen 🙏😞 OP has great English
@@rbhatt2247 the abuse of power and harrasment is a rampant issue among medical ranks. We would be so sacred to not get on someone's bad side we would practically let ourselves be humiliated to just go unnoticed. Aside from sexual harrasment there was verbal, psychological and physical violence, inhumane punishments and ridiculous rules. I remember being forced to do a 24 hour shift on a high fever and terrible bacterian amigdalitis and later being punished for colapsing on the floor out of exhaustion
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One of the things I'm still thinking about after watching this movie is mostly how I went into this expecting a revenge movie, and while it definitely clears the bar for the bare minimum of a female revenge story, it is ultimately not one, or at least I don't think it is completely.
I was a bit disappointed when it turned out that she wasn't some serial killer or that her revenge plots weren't focused entirely on destroying her targets lives(apart from the lawyer who I assume she tried to have him killed before changing her mind? though I wouldn't be surprised if she had something else in mind) because that was what I was expecting to see...but in the end, the revenge isn't exactly the point. She is so consumed by grief, rage and emptiness because people absolutely ignore everything that happened. For the same reason why Cassie didn't want to kill the rapist in the end, or set the entire place on fire with the men inside, or actually have the headmistress's daughter assaulted, because she didn't want to get her revenge on them, she wanted them to see how much their actions and ignorance destroyed people's lives. The lawyer saw that, and she gave him a second chance. She let Bo's character walk, even if she could have ruined him completely, and he only suffered because of the choices he still made afterwards(lying to the police officer about her whereabouts).
She doesn't hurt the nice guys who are about to assault her every week, doesn't report them, mostly because she goes out every week to remind herself about all this, because she saw the truth and she can't unsee it now like the rest of the world does. Not even Nina's mom wants to face what happened, everyone just wants to move on and get over it, but Cassie can't. In the end, her actions force the people who closed their eyes for so long to see the truth of their actions, and I think ultimately it is a movie about truth and consequences more than revenge. Justice.
I thought it was interesting how nina’s mom seemed to not be as hindered about her daughter’s absence as much as cassie was for the past years. Does that mean the mom wanted to forget what happened to her daughter or simply because she knew she couldn’t do anything about it and decided to accept the outcome?
@@zoezultsetseg773 I think there are a few aspects that go into this comparison. We could take it as the mom fulfilling another part of the system, she closed her eyes to the rape and suicide and simply mourned the death of her daughter, then chose to move on with her life. We can see how much Nina's absence pains her, and she is her mother, of course it would, but she wants it out of the way. There's nothing she can do more about it so she accepts it, as you said. It's also about the trauma, and how different people process it. Cassie chooses, actively chooses throughout the whole movie, to keep onto that pain and injustice by going out every week because she can't forget what happened. I would have loved to see more scenes with Nina's mother, but I think the one we got was telling enough.
Nicely said!
I think the worst part of the movie is after Joe finds Al with dead Cassie. he doesn't feel regret for killing her, he's consumed by the idea of the life he'll be losing.
I thought this was going on a 'Baise moi" direction too
I liked how after Cassie was killed, the way she's laying on the bed is quite biblical too. She's got her arms out like she did in her introduction like a cross. Almost saying that she "died for all of the rapists' sins," but instead of them being forgiven, they were punished. It also felt like she martyred herself for Nina but not necessarily in a bad way.
as i was watching the ending when Al kills her i just kept thinking no she’s smart she planned for this and she’s faking. she’ll pop up and still be alive and she’ll get her revenge. and i was right. she did plan for that to happen and she did pop up and her memory will live on in those she leaves behind, both good and bad, and she did get her revenge. she just won’t be around for it
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Honestly Al getting arrested during his wedding is a beautiful ending for it. He's arrested in public in front of people who like him and a woman who thinks he's the one. Then he gets arrested in front of them all so even if he gets out they won't want to be connected to him anymore.
100%
It's the kind of ending I wish my story had.
@@cherylwatt7347 💙💙💙
idk Ties are hard to break even if the person is scum. Family is still family and they will probably fight for them. Hell my aunt still stuck up for he husband even after he beat her and is still a part of her life to this day. Love makes people do stupid things.
Realistically the thing to happen next is that everyone would say "he would never do xy and z, we know him he's too wonderful to do any of that," ive seen situations where a woman was fighting a man in court who had tried to kill her and his family completely sided with him since he had never shown any signs of being like that before.
In this fictionally realistic world his bride would think the woman was lying and she would have a very hard time believing that he had killed anyone, his family would also deny everything since as far as they are concerned he is a doctor who would never harm anyone
I’m gonna take a harsher stance than her. If you thought this movie was “man hating” - you’re a part the problem.
It’s also interesting that people are quick to point to her as evil or insane when male characters do a lost worse but are worshiped as badass and justified.
I agree. I think she’s neither insane or unethical, since she only goes after the guilty and doesn’t really hurt anyone that much.
I feared the movie might go in that direction, but no, it is so far away from that. It critiques women just as much as men, the only one who shows remorse is a men and even if its hard for her to accept that, she does, she forgives him and gives him a chance to make some of it up.
what might trigger men into thinking it says all men is the fact, that the guys are nice guys, normal guys, not supicious easely to identify monsters. they want a clear line between themselfs and bad guys while the point of the movie is, there is no such externaly percivable line. its not all guys, but it could be any guy and one can never know which ones it is
@@youretoopolitical8611 agree, her revange is up to the last one perfecty messured. she just wants them to aknowlage that what they did was wrong and once they do she lets them be. instead of doing some abetrery messured damage for them to pay, she gets them in a situation where they feel the consequences of their actions and how it feels to be at the receaving end. she gives them a chance to get out, she only goes as far as needed. pretty much the only case of revange I aprove of
It seems like a fitting ending though. No one is fully the “good guy” and no one really wins but the bad guys get caught and there are consequences to their actions.
NO the sad truth is some terrible people win that's reality.
rarely any man gets put in jail for rape. they pretty much all get out or dont even get go trial
@@whatsup2131 Women get even more less jail time
@@elongatedmanforever1252 just admit you're a woman hating incel and leave, you're replying to every single comment thread in this video saying shit like "oH buT wOmEn aRe aLWaYs viCTimIziNG thEMsElVEs whAt aBouT tHE MEn" go fuck yourself asshole
@@ariyatabassumabdullah1143 he's telling truth tho. In these years women just have way more space to live around. They can do everything.
During uni I had been assaulted so many times, even by friends. I don’t think I’ve ever properly met a woman who hasn’t been. Men don’t realise how much creeps their friends are, and don’t realise the impact it has on a person, so they’re just very ignorant of it. this movie seems to portray that so perfectly; It portrays the effects of assault more realistically than films are afraid to do, because films are often afraid to say that men need to be better - even the ones that don’t assault women
I'm a dude & I've been harassed by a girl at the age of 10 where's the story about that??
Oh yeah there will never be, just ignorant nonsense making men out to be Villains I'm tired of this shit.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 predators are mostly men, that doesn't erase your experience it's simple probability
@@elongatedmanforever1252 except there is. But it doesn’t change the fact there is a very high percentage of males who harass women. Women who harass men ofc exists, but it’s a tiny fraction against men. Men don’t have to wall down the street holding their keys in fear of being harassed. Men don’t get harassed left right and centre by women all the time. Yall just refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem with male privilege and entitlement and only think about yourselves, which enables sh***y men to continue their behaviour
@@elongatedmanforever1252 I agree that men are assaulted or even raped my women, but it's completely derailed when you use it as a counter argument of a women sharing her personal experience of going through assault. I hope you realise how shitty this looks.
And secondly it's so important to have these type of stories to show that "boys will be boys" or men are some type of sex animal that love sex because it's this type of mentality that even harm men because a lot of people don't think men can be raped.
@@Peachypee First of all this is made up,
Yes men do fear Going to their car at night, wtf do you think a Psychopath or robber looks at me & says
Oh you're a man I won't rob you or kill you & tilts his hat & says good day sir lmao 🤣😂
I hope to God you don't actually think that,
This Narrative is just used to victmize women, & I'm really suck of it, you talk about "male privledge" what about "Female privledge"?? Because that exists more then you think
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I love how they cast actors who traditionally have played ‘nice guy and gal’ roles. Brilliant
Really liked it, felt all the "Twists" including what happened to Cassie, were logical. Shocking initially, but unfortunately very realistic.
me before this movie: BO BURNHAM IS THE ONLY MAN I TRUST BO BURNHAM IS THE ONLY MAN I TRUST
me after this movie: I wanna die
Bo Burnham (the actor) is a good and smart dude. So I still trust Bo, just not the character he portrayed. (I don't think he would have taken the role if he didn't believe in the message and reality of the movie).
Same dude😭 i was crushing so hard on his character and i felt so betrayed by the reveal😭😭😭
@@samanthacousland870 why would you trust a guy you don't know ? God
That's kinda the point of the movie, isn't it?
@@coolbeans5911 that’s the whole point.
As a survivor, I noticed IMMEDIATELY how the death scene had parallels to sexual assault. It was a raw and brilliant way to discuss the violence of the act itself - the literal suffocating nature of being overpowered - and make it the longest take of the movie (the second being the foreboding march to the party). It is difficult to depict the violence of r*pe without accidentally (or intentionally) fetishizing or sensationalizing the act itself; sometimes films trying to create a meaningful and emotional impact (such as the original I Spit On Your Grave, for example) veer into exploitative territory. It's complicated. There's a long history in art of violence against women being framed erotically, so it takes thoughtful framing and breaking film conventions to navigate the blurry lines of violence, sex, and femininity - and this film excels at that.
Maybe someday we'll get a film where a regular woman can have her revenge AND get to enjoy it, but I'm so glad we at least now have a film that has found ways to portray the horrors of r*pe without exploitative conventions. I think that's a big first step, and I hope it will inspire future film creators to get innovative with their own approaches to a difficult topic.
thank you for sharing your observations. this is the first time i've seen someone remark on how the death scene resembles sexual assault itself, and it makes perfect sense.
and it's so frustrating when shows try to depict on-screen abuse but end up just making it titillating or exploitative.
I wouldn’t watch the movie because of my own trauma( I literally look up parental guidance in shows and movies to not set off my anxiety attacks) but i’m really happy about it’s being made and viewed by a large audience.
I think this movie really hits because growing my mom was very paranoid of something happening to me because she was raped in her own home and 4 out of the 5 people in her group were raped one or more times. So I’ve always kinda knew how deeply it effects the person who was assaulted even after 30 years. And it’s very frustrating how people try to by past this subject because they don’t want to hear it or “I won’t do that so why should I care” especially when most women are sexually degraded in some way by the age of 13.
I actually love the ending, not the fact that she didn't get a happy end but that it was realistic. She was a woman going into a house of men and she knew there was a good chance she wouldn't make it. I just love that it all feels genuine and I don't have to search for an explanation for any of it
I really loved this film. I’m a 20 year old guy, who have seen other guys like this too often. This film hit me to well. Seeing those dickheads “trying” to be “nice” just too get with someone, is very real, and very common.
The fact that this film tackles this idea and the theme of “toxic masculinity” in such a unique way is great!
The script to this is also one of the best I’ve seen. So much unpredictable twists and turns, that we get crumbles to a bigger cake. But... all the twists made sense.
This film really clicked with me. It’s a dark, but true look on some aspects of society. Really dug it.
Keep that energy up my dude!!
And what do you do to stop them? Or do you participate ?
I honestly think the ending was perfect. When she got smothered I wanted to scream NO but I should have known she planned ahead. I wanted to scream with joy when that first scheduled message came through.
I enjoyed this movie even more than I thought I would. I am glad they chose a more divisive ending, and that that one scene was shot the way it was... no music, and the true length of time that it would have taken to do it. It was hard to watch but powerful. And the acting was fantastic.
This happened to someone I’m close to. The fact that he couldn’t even say the actual word is so true. So much proof and the person that did it still couldn’t say the “r word”.
What I love is that all the "good guys" justified their actions by their young age, yet every single one of them repeated their exact roles as grown ups.
Al r*p*d Nina and k*lls Cassandra, the active criminal. He blamed both the víctims. The friend(forgot his name) records the first crime and helps cover up the second one, he encorages Al in both, he is the accomplice, not the agressor but just as guilty. Ryan was just walking by when he witnessed what was being done to Nina, and even though he wasnt' an active participant he didnt do anything yo stop it and kept quiet afterwards. Just as he did knowing Casa, HIS GIRLFRIEND went yo the party and what probably happened. Also kept interacting with the criminals like nothing after both events. He is the "not all men" , that even though he loved the women in hisblife ir whatever, he just lets things like that happen submissively knowing it's wrong, just keeps quiet and does nothing yo help, and believes himself when he says he's a good guys like the rest. But he's just another type of accomplice and a coward. Prefers to be at peace with the monsters than have the balls to take action, stand up the women he claims he loved, or even just socially condemning and not associating with them. Literally won't do even the tiniest shit.
And Cassandra, even though she couldnt do anything right away, she won't just take ir, she delt with it even if it meant sacrificing herself and ended up bringing them down. It's a great analogy of a Lot of profiles contexts and dynamics we are discussing nowadays, and the hope un the film is to show that even if it takes time, even if more of us fall, we are no longer silenced, we won't take it anymore. You come at us, and we'll bring You down with us. You *DECIDE* to interfiere with and ruin someone's life by a selfish second of "pleasure"? Well... Be better or be ready.
Honestly, she just hit me as a woman anti-hero. Like, a real anti-hero in the sense the same way men in media get to be all the time instead of the usual redeemed put upon woman with a character arc and cathartic revenge that we usually pass off as an anti-hero when a man in her role would just be called a plain old hero in a dark situatuon.
like Frank Castle
She is completely catwoman/selina kyle’s personality type down to the t
Women could be too if they stopped making predictable, Cringy Narratives of them being the Victims 24-7
& Actually told a story instead of throwing in Feminist talking points all half assed.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 are you serious?
@@idontevenknowok8159
Yes 100%
I love how she calls the actor Christopher Mintz-Plasse “McLovin” and how everyone knows exactly who she is talking about when she says it
This movie is such a scathing commentary on rape culture and the patriarchy that supports it. It's hard to watch, but it should be required viewing for every cis hetero man.
They nailed it. My friends & I had a rule that 1 would stay sober to protect the others. At a party, my BFF got drunk & a boy took her to his room & locked the door. I knocked until he opened it to say she was fine, revealing her half nude & unconscious body on the floor. He locked me out, so I climbed his balcony & using his ceramic bunny statue, I broke through his glass patio door & knocked him out. I threw her over my shoulder & ran to my car, yelling at our other drunk friend to follow. My BFF actually hated me for it, but I knew I couldn't live with myself if I didn't save her. Damn, if I hadn't I'd be just like this character, I'm sure.
Wow... you are such a good person. Good on you, girl 💖💖💖💖
Holy shit your amazing! You sound like an amazing friend and really strong like damn I cant even lift a bag of rice XD
This is the way.
hold up, you bff hated you for saving her? wtf
I hope she eventually saw you as a hero. Cause you definitely are one.
The use of "Toxic" was epic
Sadly, I can relate to what happened to Nina. My attacker was the friend of my friend’s brother. I watched this expecting to see a Jane Wick revenge but I was pleasantly surprised by the realistic way Cassie went after the “nice” guys and med school students. The ending was awful but also realistic in how easily she was overpowered and discarded to save the future of the rapist. His actions barely made a dent in his future, but he ruined the futures of two women.
I wonder if it’s the honesty of the ending that has shaken so many people. Something we learn growing up as females it’s that statistically we are overwhelmingly more likely to be the victims of a sexual assault. If that assault is carried out by a male, then physically, there is realistically f*ck all we can do to stop it.
It’s a very powerful ending to the film that has left me with a lot of thoughts on how our world works and I can’t yet find the right words to express how it made me truly feel. I don’t think I have watched a film that made me think so much in a long time.
Exactly and it’s always strange how men don’t understand why most women are cautious around them.
@@Wow30035 Yes. Because if we aren't cautious it'll be our fault when we're harmed. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
@Thomas G. Linn Uhhh what? I'd wager dollars to donuts that the women you're responding to are all part of "this generation" and they're praising the authenticity of the ending. That's a pretty gross overgeneralization.
@@kittyrosefaerie7464 Victimhood
@@Wow30035 that's Sexist,
Women can Assault a guy & hey away with it,
This movie is proving to me it's just fueling a Victimhood in people if anything,
I've gotten harassed by a girl when I was young,
Just 10 years old she told me to pull my pants down I did, women can do this shit too & this movie insults & enrages me.
I went into this without knowing anything about it other than it was called a thriller/dark comedy. The latter, is hit or miss so I was pleasantly surprised and happy this was well-done.
Originally wanted her to SPOILERS
to live. However, I do like the idea that she got the last laugh. I understand why she didn't survive but a part of me wanted her to live so she could see her plan play out.
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exactly! Some of the reviews bashing this have mostly come from nsb men which doesn't surprise me at all. This movie as unfortunate as the subject is- is very well-done. It shows the "Nice guys" using lines like, "I was a kid/young, etc" or "idk what I was doing or what to do" I hesitated rooting for him and I'm glad bc he turned out to be trash.
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I think the fact that these types of men are getting angry proves the point of the movie even more. The director did her job.
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Yeah but I guess not every female heroine can be Beatrix Kiddo or Lisbeth Salander. Especially since Cassie was a med student, Beatrix was one of the deadliest trained assassins in the world, and Lisbeth was a hacker who knew jujitsu and used violence from a young age to protect herself and others. But that’s the thing. Most of us wish we could be Beatrix or Lisbeth but in reality we are just Cassie. We’re not trained soldiers just civilians trying to survive.
@@alyssapinon9670 absolutely!
@@xXx-ji5ph that’s himpathy at it’s finest
This was a fantastic psychological piece. I mean so many factors in play. Sucha a mind fuck. The ending was realistic. Fucked. But realistic. Too many victims, in one way or the other don't get justice. The death of our protagonist was unexpected but brilliant in retrospect.
I loved this film but it broke my heart - I sat and cried for ages after watching it. Highly recommend it for anyone who wouldn't be triggered by themes of sexual assault.
I tried to get evidence of my ex by talking to him as if I was "completely fine and still in love" and he would hint at it but would NEVER explicitly say what he did. I remember how frustrating it was that he knew what he did, referred to it, asked me not to go to the police, yet he still wouldn't full on say what he did so It ended up just being a waste of my time and just caused me more hurt than good .
I really like that they had trouble getting him to admit what he did seriously. That was a good decision in the movie.
That proves they know exactly what they’re doing and why it’s wrong.
I’ve known a horrible monster in college who hurt a lot of girls... sadly I was more angry at the school rather than that turd because they only asked him for an essay for the things he did... a f*cking piece of paper.
wtf!! not ok!
This looks absolutely phenomenal and even though I've let myself be spoiled by your wonderful video I'm still going to go watch it lmao
Well worth it! I think the performances alone make this movie worth it and I can't really spoil that
@@AmandaTheJedi I completely agree! Thanks for bringing the movie to my attention🙂
I heard the ending was really bad but after seeing this I;m definitely checking it out I'm always trying to watch more female directed movies