I agree!! To this day, k&m are my favorite mk youtubers. And their commentating for tournaments is so good, they have the right amount of banter with each other but they don't take away from the fight, & they know what they're talking ab.
Hey Ketchup! I'm sure you know this, just never seen you apply it. With Sorcerer in the corner after a Curse, if you go into: F2122, S4, NJP, S4 Trance, F2122, 14 EX Burst, 141, Curse (42% dmg) . The first Curse disappears just as the combo ends, allowing you to cast a new one. Ya the corner game is usually Hex traps, but this is definitely applicable.
I love warlock quan. Can't play the other variations, sadly... The other char I use is Kitana Assassin or mournful. Doing pretty well with them online, when the conection helps of course
I can't ever specialize a character because I like to switch from character to character but I have been using Dualist Liu Kang because it's like 2 variations I'm one, You & mustard got me to pick up Quan & Kano now very helpful vid as always
Holding so many 50/50s in the corner as Quan sucks. I have to d1 (barely does much), use interaction or the dangerously option of Skydrop. Because of this I've been using more Warlock in certain matchups. Redundant in this video, but it was thanks to advice I've asked on this channel that I've been doing better without changing my character.
Unexpected video. Great stuff as always This will help definitely help me become a better fighter. It helps I play Quan Chi as well. But my main is Mileena.
I like to use warlock when theres a character who has a lot of push back on strings. i.e. Erron Blacks 21122 string even blocked just pushes you out the armour immediately, so i like to use warlock.
I mainly play as Relentless Jason. I know how to combo and open up my opponent. (Video on my channel.) Jason is a close fighter. His slasher is mid to close. With the exception that he can throw the machete. How can I get better with him? So I can get the last trophy. Dropping fools. So, close, yet so far.
I have so far learnt Ferra/Torr Lackey (My main), Kano Cybernetic, Takeda Shirai Ryu, D'vorah Swarm Queen, Sonya Blade Spec Ops, Sub-Zero Cryomancer and Kung Jin Bojutsu.
after "re-watching" the video, i came to the conclusion, that this is very good, if you play a good character like, *Quan*, *Lao*, *Tanya*, *Shinnok*, etc.... if you are playing *Goro*, *jason*, or any other *"low tiers"*, you're fucked.... the variation is not going to help you.... at all..... and that's a problem on NRS, i'm hoping that they are using all this time, to actually fix the "useless" variations in this game (and a little help on the netcode is always good) !!! but again, great video !!
Jason actually is pretty good. I have gotten to good heights. Any character is good. You just need to know that character. The frames, the defence, etc. But the characters you said. Are high teir. Accept goro. I'm sorry goro players lol.
Ketchup, I see you constantly upload videos on Tech and Quan Tech. Would Mustard be willing to do more videos on Shinnok? I know there is not much to Shinnok considering his small move set but I am curious as to what goes through Mustard's mind while using each variation of Shinnok because I think I am pretty solid on Shinnok but there is always room for improvement.
+FuriousPillow Haha thanks man, yeah I think so too but I just know there's always something new to learn. Just today while I was searching I found out about one of his option selects -_- , playing since Day 1 with him but just today I found out about F4~HS Dash lol
Thanks for this, quite insightful into Quan Chi. I'd like to ask though a few things 1. How do you analyse the strength of other characters in the game? 2. Do you practice all the combos available or make your own before you consider yourself a specialist? 3. How do you find other characters that compliment or play the same as yours and would using them make you a specialist in a type of play?
+KageMan Its not learning the combos that makes you a specialist, footsies and frame data is very important to learn before you can consider yourself a master
Quan like Tremor requires skills but then again, if you learn him right the character is very broken I mean others like Kung Lao and Tanya are top tier but they dont even near the other two
Yeeah, reptile has three different variations of set-up rush down. Either he turns invisible, makes you slow, or dumps slime on you to enhance his offense. Repty got the short end of the stick in this game :(
+Tod Anderson He's probably still my most played character but it's tough not to be a bit disappointed when you see variations of other characters like Kotal, Kano or Dvorah.
+Eliphas44 yup... what about Goro or Jason ?!.... the variation system is good on paper, but NRS doesn't know how to balance their characters, is too much shit for some, and pretty much nothing to others.....
I've been using only Kitana variations since the game came out but I just started using Milenna last week and planning to use Alien and Tri-Borg too. I was going to switch earlier them I saw what SonicFox did with her and got hooked again.
Hi Ryan, I struggle a lot on my favorite caracter which is Erron Black, i don't fell playing anyone else even if the combos are easier for me,anyway let's cut to the chase.The 21122 string is my problem,the first part 211 is so difficult for me,can't get muscle memory on this string to press fast.I'm starting to lose hope and i start to lose my motivation,some tips from you guys on how to practice would help i hope,and i don't want to ignore it or replace it with another string,i just need to master this string,and i know you agree. I talked a lot here but i'm really frustated on this thing... Hope to hear from you.
I forget to tell you that after the 21122 string i have problems as well on canceling into the sand trap... my muscle memory is so weak on this string and cancel...i don't know how practise because i can pull then off when not in combo but when i try to link them i just fail..
+DaedricGamesX i've been making some good progress with these moves,but still sometimes i mess the 21122 for some reason when fighting ,maybe the nerves,but anyway i just realise that i need to practice much more than others just because i'm not that talented or skillful i think. The sand trap i only have problem on hitting it on wakeup.
He is showing how HE specializes Quan. he's showing you how to break down each character and their variation, find the strengths of each variation and use it to your advantage. He was just using Quan chi as an example...
+gamer3294 I'm taking the methods of how I became a character specialist through studying every variation. The findings can be transferred to any character.
Ketchup, I play sub zero cryomancer and my brother plays kung jin bo-jitsu. he can start his combos at long range, high medium and low... how do I counteract this? whenever I try my combos at high/medium/low he always seems to block... please help me! :)
+Mov. Direção de Arte Then no, not really. He is totally on the bottom of the tier list and doesn't have enough strengths to make up for his weaknesses.
+Publings Thank you. Only confirmed what I already knew. Unfortunately much like the character I will not abandon it altogether. But I will study new options.
+Mov. Direção de Arte see.... that's the problem with the supposedly good variation system, bad characters in this game, are "bad" characters, changing variation with Goro or Jason, is not going to help you very much, and that's a problem on their end (NRS) i think that the variation system is good in theory, but, has proven too much for them to handle, character balance and all that shit.... unless they prove me wrong on the KP2 characters "balance patch", my point stands, NRS, doesn't know how to balance their characters, and the variation system is too much for them to handle.....
What people need to realise, is that bad game design choices can be balanced, and this precious "balanced" tag is not the most important thing in the game. I absolutely love Warlock, he is great from artwork to gameplay and fairly balanced. But as much as I love Warlock, i Hate Summoner and Sorcerer. When you have no defense at all it's only fair you have an insane offense. Footsies, damage, mix-ups, zoning - those 2 variations have it all. It might be balanced on paper and even statistically, but it doesn't make it right. This gameplay style makes matches too edgy, when only one player gets to play. If Summoner or Sorcerer are on the defense, the don't get to play: the opponent can use all the strings with gaps, all the pressure on a knockdown and he doesnt have to respect anything. If those 2 varitaions manage to get a hit, the opponent may never get to play in this round again. It is an exaggeration, but you get the point. It might be balanced, yes, but it is a bad gamedesign nonetheless. And let's face it, when you have a decent chance of winning a game from one touch, people would never go Warlock, they will go gambling with Sorcerer or Summoner. I bet we won't even see Ketchup himself play more consistent, but less rewarding Warlock in tournamets. Mkx is labled a gambling fighting game as it is, and Quan Chi just makes it even worse. Why, Netherrealm, why? I want to play a game, not to Have-a-chance-to-play-a-game. And that's exactly how playing against Summoner or Sorcerer feels. Even if it is fucking balanced.
+Maximilian Mansur 100% agree. I always sigh when I fight a quan chi because I main tremor, and quan chi can't deal with tremors pressure, but tremor can't deal with quan chi's pressure, so it's like whoever gets the first hit wins
Honest question, does anyone think tremor is op? He's my main and I do so much better with him than other characters that I wonder sometimes. Also some people online have called me cheap.
Don't listen to people online most of them don't even know the game they were probably just salty you won. Tremor is lacking a good mid attack and has issues with that. He's strong but he is by no means overpowered.
No armor...buff quan chi :|. I've been playing kotal kahn blood god as my main, sun god as secondary, and I barely touch war god. I was playing reptile deceptive, but then they buffed it to where it's actually viable and I dropped it. He was already too execution heavy for me, now I just feel bad whenever I play him. Edit: Warlock quan chi is god damn annoying against kotal. All quan chi's are, but that kick to the back of the head from anywhere...
Every Character has his strengths and weaknesses, ofc Bat/Overhead is really tricky to block, but pressure him, especially in Corner, he cant do shit as Sorcerer/Summoner. He talked about everything important.
+Mason Cowan His teleport is totally unsafe on block and it only has 1 hit of armor. It's basically shit man. And they aren't totally unblockable there are ways to counter them.
People like you shouldn't be playing mk.You don't understand the basics of mkx if you're asking a nerf on quan. Ketchup said it, he struggles on defense.
+Keiji Inai there are few characters that lack a defence like quan, the one that comes to mind for me is bloodgod, who's also got great damage, but bloodgod dosnt get a nearly unblockable safe mixup.
He isn't wrong. However I don't hate the character. I've faced a quan summoner who only did these unavoidable traps where your forced to breaker, to just get some distance. And I'm not speaking of the resets ketchup is covering. The one I'm speaking of is where quan njp with the bat out and goes low bat, where you really frame out of it, because it's so tight to get yourself out of that situation. But it is a reset and there's nothing you can do about it IF You don't have breaker. It was pretty cheap and again it's not the reset ketchup is discussing. It's a reset that doesn't need much to do. I believe it's game breaking.
He has amazing offense in summoner but no defense. No good reversals Or anything you get him in the corner he's gotta wait it out and guess the 50/50s. Hes fucking fine. Amazing offense and basically no defensive is a good balance IMO
its just not cool that some characters are pretty shit compared to the other i mean lets talk johnny cage jumping is shit every pro knows how to defend against him and hes just not the same jax is like 4/5 times faster then him :/
Dude I respect the hell out of how good of a talker you are.. you explain things so clearly and cover every base it's quite elegant lol
They are the reason why I stuck with fighting games because they honestly the most chill and detailed commentators out there 😭🙏🏽... like K&M are 🐐!
I agree!! To this day, k&m are my favorite mk youtubers. And their commentating for tournaments is so good, they have the right amount of banter with each other but they don't take away from the fight, & they know what they're talking ab.
sub zero loyalist since deadly alliance. Lin Kuei unite!
+Jaime G Do you miss the shoulder charge?
+PNDKetchup aesthetically, yes. however the slide is a bit more sly and low-profile. I really miss the large kori blade sub used to have
+PNDKetchup What about Cyrax in MK9 did he have bad match ups? He seemed like he had allot of tools.
+Jaime G For the Lin Kuei.
+Jaime G I miss the ice shake!
Hey Ketchup! I'm sure you know this, just never seen you apply it. With Sorcerer in the corner after a Curse, if you go into: F2122, S4, NJP, S4 Trance, F2122, 14 EX Burst, 141, Curse (42% dmg) . The first Curse disappears just as the combo ends, allowing you to cast a new one. Ya the corner game is usually Hex traps, but this is definitely applicable.
what is sorcerer quan's favourite type of cookie? Chocolate CHIP...
proud of that one ;)
+Theo Turner No......
+Quad Wesker Travosky :'(
Lmao!!!
Theo Turner what is Predator’s favorite type of food?
Prey.
I love warlock quan. Can't play the other variations, sadly... The other char I use is Kitana Assassin or mournful. Doing pretty well with them online, when the conection helps of course
I can't ever specialize a character because I like to switch from character to character but I have been using Dualist Liu Kang because it's like 2 variations I'm one, You & mustard got me to pick up Quan & Kano now very helpful vid as always
how can this so amazing full of details and calculations video has so few likes?that`s totally unfair.
thanks for the video,learn a lot from it.
I'm surprised I've never seen you use tremor. He's got some similar qualities quan chi but also has defensive options across all his variations
Sheeva loyalist here, I’ve mained her in every mk game
any reptile fans? my all time fave character.
Same here! Hissss
I don't main quan chi, but I can't help but admit that this video is eye-openiner. Thank you.
What pisses me off is that tremor is only in mkx and it seems like they arent gonna bring him back and hes one of my favorite characters
will mustard do shinnok I would like to learn more stuff about him
I love watching this video after all the nerfs and realizing that Warlock was made completely irrelevant as an option.
would you change your character if cyrax comes in combat pack2
Reading this now is actually pretty funny
@@blizzardcrow3051 yeah
Holding so many 50/50s in the corner as Quan sucks. I have to d1 (barely does much), use interaction or the dangerously option of Skydrop. Because of this I've been using more Warlock in certain matchups. Redundant in this video, but it was thanks to advice I've asked on this channel that I've been doing better without changing my character.
Let's be real, the sole reason this vid exists is for Ketchup to flex his Quan Chi knowledge.
Jokes aside, though, super helpful video.
I love you videos that go on a little bit longer
Unexpected video. Great stuff as always This will help definitely help me become a better fighter. It helps I play Quan Chi as well. But my main is Mileena.
Good lord, watching you play Quan is fucking amazing. And inspirational, as well, since I main Quan too, although I doubt I'll ever be this good.
I like to use warlock when theres a character who has a lot of push back on strings. i.e. Erron Blacks 21122 string even blocked just pushes you out the armour immediately, so i like to use warlock.
I mainly play as Relentless Jason. I know how to combo and open up my opponent. (Video on my channel.) Jason is a close fighter. His slasher is mid to close. With the exception that he can throw the machete. How can I get better with him? So I can get the last trophy. Dropping fools. So, close, yet so far.
I have so far learnt Ferra/Torr Lackey (My main), Kano Cybernetic, Takeda Shirai Ryu, D'vorah Swarm Queen, Sonya Blade Spec Ops, Sub-Zero Cryomancer and Kung Jin Bojutsu.
yey
Quan chi
Quan Cheenus
Clean and clear as always!
after "re-watching" the video, i came to the conclusion, that this is very good, if you play a good character like, *Quan*, *Lao*, *Tanya*, *Shinnok*, etc.... if you are playing *Goro*, *jason*, or any other *"low tiers"*, you're fucked.... the variation is not going to help you.... at all..... and that's a problem on NRS, i'm hoping that they are using all this time, to actually fix the "useless" variations in this game (and a little help on the netcode is always good) !!!
but again, great video !!
#Netcode needs help its bad
Jason actually is pretty good. I have gotten to good heights. Any character is good. You just need to know that character. The frames, the defence, etc. But the characters you said. Are high teir. Accept goro. I'm sorry goro players lol.
i love it when you go theoretical at this game
I use alot of characters but I learned the game with only one then I played other characters
Ketchup, I see you constantly upload videos on Tech and Quan Tech. Would Mustard be willing to do more videos on Shinnok? I know there is not much to Shinnok considering his small move set but I am curious as to what goes through Mustard's mind while using each variation of Shinnok because I think I am pretty solid on Shinnok but there is always room for improvement.
+Il ALX lI Dude, I've seen your Shinnok. It's pretty damn good.
+FuriousPillow Haha thanks man, yeah I think so too but I just know there's always something new to learn. Just today while I was searching I found out about one of his option selects -_- , playing since Day 1 with him but just today I found out about F4~HS Dash lol
Nice! Yeah, it's always good to be looking to improve. Keep it up, man!
Thanks for this, quite insightful into Quan Chi. I'd like to ask though a few things
1. How do you analyse the strength of other characters in the game?
2. Do you practice all the combos available or make your own before you consider yourself a specialist?
3. How do you find other characters that compliment or play the same as yours and would using them make you a specialist in a type of play?
+KageMan Its not learning the combos that makes you a specialist, footsies and frame data is very important to learn before you can consider yourself a master
dammnnnnnnnnnn ur good with him man
Any advice for Liu Kang player (prefer flame fist but can use others)
Chip damage is your best friend.
Thx :)
If you know how to extend combos with the MB flame fists, then I'd say you already have a formidable Kang.
How good are you now
This was a great video. Helps a lot. Thanks 👍
i know he has been patched but i see this and go :how does this get passed play testing? 59 for one bar and part of a vortex?
Quan like Tremor requires skills but then again, if you learn him right the character is very broken
I mean others like Kung Lao and Tanya are top tier but they dont even near the other two
Lao and tanya are WAY better then tremor because they have good mids.
+Leonardo ha tremors op bro lau can't zone like tremor and tremor can pressure as well as has a good mix up game
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not online you don't.... lel
great video as always dude !!
+Diego De Souza wtf is the origin of "lel"?
+Ashraf Ahmed its the "420 version" of the *"lol"*.... lel
Sadly, variations are lost on certain characters. Switching Reptile's variations against Sub doesn't really do anything for him.
Yeeah, reptile has three different variations of set-up rush down. Either he turns invisible, makes you slow, or dumps slime on you to enhance his offense. Repty got the short end of the stick in this game :(
+Tod Anderson He's probably still my most played character but it's tough not to be a bit disappointed when you see variations of other characters like Kotal, Kano or Dvorah.
+Eliphas44 yup... what about Goro or Jason ?!.... the variation system is good on paper, but NRS doesn't know how to balance their characters, is too much shit for some, and pretty much nothing to others.....
nice job mate by the way i am dying to see you play some kenshi kenjutsu
can you use reptile please? using tons of power
I've been using only Kitana variations since the game came out but I just started using Milenna last week and planning to use Alien and Tri-Borg too. I was going to switch earlier them I saw what SonicFox did with her and got hooked again.
Hi Ryan, I struggle a lot on my favorite caracter which is Erron Black, i don't fell playing anyone else even if the combos are easier for me,anyway let's cut to the chase.The 21122 string is my problem,the first part 211 is so difficult for me,can't get muscle memory on this string to press fast.I'm starting to lose hope and i start to lose my motivation,some tips from you guys on how to practice would help i hope,and i don't want to ignore it or replace it with another string,i just need to master this string,and i know you agree. I talked a lot here but i'm really frustated on this thing... Hope to hear from you.
I forget to tell you that after the 21122 string i have problems as well on canceling into the sand trap... my muscle memory is so weak on this string and cancel...i don't know how practise because i can pull then off when not in combo but when i try to link them i just fail..
+Buta Dan ALWAYS press 211 as ONE string. 22, and the end of the animation plus sand trap. I'm still getting it down too.
+DaedricGamesX i've been making some good progress with these moves,but still sometimes i mess the 21122 for some reason when fighting ,maybe the nerves,but anyway i just realise that i need to practice much more than others just because i'm not that talented or skillful i think. The sand trap i only have problem on hitting it on wakeup.
+DaedricGamesX btw thanks for the tips:)
+Buta Dan if u don't mind, at least look at my channel and my Erron black stuff
Please change title to "How to be a Quan Chi Specialist"
He is showing how HE specializes Quan. he's showing you how to break down each character and their variation, find the strengths of each variation and use it to your advantage. He was just using Quan chi as an example...
He was using Quan as an example but, ok.
+gamer3294 I'm taking the methods of how I became a character specialist through studying every variation. The findings can be transferred to any character.
Please shut up thanks ^_^
If you can't comprehend the info and use it for other characters you're a dumbass
did you play on pad?
Im a Jax specialist since MK3
2020 i still think this game is BETTER than Mk11
Ketchup, I play sub zero cryomancer and my brother plays kung jin bo-jitsu. he can start his combos at long range, high medium and low... how do I counteract this? whenever I try my combos at high/medium/low he always seems to block... please help me! :)
Be extremely patient. Also learn grandmaster he deals with Bojutsu way better.
+Leonardo thx dude
Ketchup do you agree that they should nerf Quan Chi?
Lol he fought Kotal and that's who I main same variation as well
more mk xl videos!
do more ranked matches!!!
Does anyone have any triborg tips
Ive always like scorpion. Idk why lol
I play Kano and noxious Reptile, how low tier am I?
johnny kano reptile my gawd
what do you mean you made quan chi?
Brewster Million he mained him. Meaning he uses him alot and is his go to basically. And uses all combo variations and mix ups
Goro is a good character? I like him
Is that a statement or a question bud?
+Publings Question
+Mov. Direção de Arte Then no, not really. He is totally on the bottom of the tier list and doesn't have enough strengths to make up for his weaknesses.
+Publings Thank you. Only confirmed what I already knew. Unfortunately much like the character I will not abandon it altogether. But I will study new options.
+Mov. Direção de Arte see.... that's the problem with the supposedly good variation system, bad characters in this game, are "bad" characters, changing variation with Goro or Jason, is not going to help you very much, and that's a problem on their end (NRS) i think that the variation system is good in theory, but, has proven too much for them to handle, character balance and all that shit.... unless they prove me wrong on the KP2 characters "balance patch", my point stands, NRS, doesn't know how to balance their characters, and the variation system is too much for them to handle.....
i have yet to be able to play this game sadly, but i just know that Cassie Cage will be ma girl.
cassie is a beast
FOR THE SHAOLIN!!!
I'ma kenshi specialist
If you play Liu kang ur a Liu kang specialist
What people need to realise, is that bad game design choices can be balanced, and this precious "balanced" tag is not the most important thing in the game.
I absolutely love Warlock, he is great from artwork to gameplay and fairly balanced.
But as much as I love Warlock, i Hate Summoner and Sorcerer.
When you have no defense at all it's only fair you have an insane offense. Footsies, damage, mix-ups, zoning - those 2 variations have it all.
It might be balanced on paper and even statistically, but it doesn't make it right.
This gameplay style makes matches too edgy, when only one player gets to play. If Summoner or Sorcerer are on the defense, the don't get to play: the opponent can use all the strings with gaps, all the pressure on a knockdown and he doesnt have to respect anything. If those 2 varitaions manage to get a hit, the opponent may never get to play in this round again. It is an exaggeration, but you get the point.
It might be balanced, yes, but it is a bad gamedesign nonetheless.
And let's face it, when you have a decent chance of winning a game from one touch, people would never go Warlock, they will go gambling with Sorcerer or Summoner. I bet we won't even see Ketchup himself play more consistent, but less rewarding Warlock in tournamets.
Mkx is labled a gambling fighting game as it is, and Quan Chi just makes it even worse. Why, Netherrealm, why? I want to play a game, not to Have-a-chance-to-play-a-game. And that's exactly how playing against Summoner or Sorcerer feels. Even if it is fucking balanced.
+Maximilian Mansur 100% agree. I always sigh when I fight a quan chi because I main tremor, and quan chi can't deal with tremors pressure, but tremor can't deal with quan chi's pressure, so it's like whoever gets the first hit wins
Honest question, does anyone think tremor is op? He's my main and I do so much better with him than other characters that I wonder sometimes. Also some people online have called me cheap.
He has amazing mix ups and decent damage but is highly meter intensive. He has the same strengths and weaknesses as warlock Quan
+Locii97 Yeah tremor is scary strong. He's my main too, and I always have far more success with him than any other character
Don't listen to people online most of them don't even know the game they were probably just salty you won. Tremor is lacking a good mid attack and has issues with that. He's strong but he is by no means overpowered.
No armor...buff quan chi :|.
I've been playing kotal kahn blood god as my main, sun god as secondary, and I barely touch war god. I was playing reptile deceptive, but then they buffed it to where it's actually viable and I dropped it. He was already too execution heavy for me, now I just feel bad whenever I play him.
Edit: Warlock quan chi is god damn annoying against kotal. All quan chi's are, but that kick to the back of the head from anywhere...
No broken,bat low overhead infinite? Fuck that broken string.
Every Character has his strengths and weaknesses, ofc Bat/Overhead is really tricky to block, but pressure him, especially in Corner, he cant do shit as Sorcerer/Summoner. He talked about everything important.
+Dennis Wetz and no wakeup game
+Dennis Wetz look at bloodgod, atleast quan gets his teleport and infinite unblockables. poor bloodgods only got slight damage over quan.
+Mason Cowan slight damage? hes got WAY higher damage that Quan
+Mason Cowan His teleport is totally unsafe on block and it only has 1 hit of armor. It's basically shit man. And they aren't totally unblockable there are ways to counter them.
Liu kang who wants to fight ... ps my gt is ColdFromDeep02
very "safe" of you to use an MK9 top tier character rather than an MKX one ^_~
I hate Summoner Quan, NRS need to nerf that character he is broken i tell you.
People like you shouldn't be playing mk.You don't understand the basics of mkx if you're asking a nerf on quan. Ketchup said it, he struggles on defense.
+Keiji Inai there are few characters that lack a defence like quan, the one that comes to mind for me is bloodgod, who's also got great damage, but bloodgod dosnt get a nearly unblockable safe mixup.
+Keiji Inai he's still arguably top 3. Everyone agrees that his ass is top 5. But, hell, somebody has to be top 3.
He isn't wrong. However I don't hate the character. I've faced a quan summoner who only did these unavoidable traps where your forced to breaker, to just get some distance. And I'm not speaking of the resets ketchup is covering. The one I'm speaking of is where quan njp with the bat out and goes low bat, where you really frame out of it, because it's so tight to get yourself out of that situation. But it is a reset and there's nothing you can do about it IF You don't have breaker. It was pretty cheap and again it's not the reset ketchup is discussing. It's a reset that doesn't need much to do. I believe it's game breaking.
He has amazing offense in summoner but no defense. No good reversals Or anything you get him in the corner he's gotta wait it out and guess the 50/50s. Hes fucking fine. Amazing offense and basically no defensive is a good balance IMO
its just not cool that some characters are pretty shit compared to the other
i mean lets talk johnny cage jumping is shit every pro knows how to defend against him and hes just not the same
jax is like 4/5 times faster then him :/
How to not have a life after your 20's
Heaven forbid someone enjoys a game.
And how do see want us to be?... Your holiness.
lol go play sum battlefield fucking moron