Attack on Titan Deserved Better | Shingeki no Kyojin Anime VS Manga Season 4
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- AoT The Final Season (but not really) released to a whole lot of doubt and distaste. But is it a good adaptation? Does it do justice to the source material? Did Eren put on his jacket right? Wow so many questions and so little time.
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TIMESTAMPS FOR EACH SECTION
0:00:00 - INTRODUCTION
0:01:25 - BRIEF BEHIND THE SCENES
0:03:01 - SEASON 4 ANIME VS MANGA
Unless otherwise stated, all music used is from the Attack on Titan Final Season Soundtrack.
BACKGROUND MUSIC
- Ashes on the Fire
- Nightmare
- The Other Side of the Sea
- Liberio at Night
- Snare drum march, found here: • "snare drum march" "sn...
- True History
- Spiral of Truth (from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood)
- Nowhere to Go
- The Reason
- Guilty Hero - Фільми й анімація
It’s nice to see someone rightfully blaming bad management and time constraints for the animation rather than the animation studios. A team of talented people who’ve chosen low paying and labour intensive work in a creative field don’t just turn out bad work on their own
The thing is, for the time they were given the team have put their all into making the season as good as it can be, even if the unstable production shines through. I think there's still clear passion and talent present in the season, especially compared to some other production disasters we've seen this year. While its easy to see the season as missed potential and rightly so, I think its also admirable that despite all the hurdles Season 4 still made such a monumental impact and was widely enjoyed.
Also in regards to bad management I think this reflects moreso on the committee and imposed schedule rather than the director or production staff. From what I've seen of Hayashi he does seem committed to making a good product, he's just another employee forced to pump out anime demanded by ridiculous industry expectations.
@@sebwarriner yes I think you’re absolutely right, that was poor phrasing on my part. I think everyone involved in the production most likely gave it their all and they all seem passionate about their work, as always it’s usually external pressures that are the problem. The season still looks great, obviously I miss the ridiculous saguka in previous seasons but I respect the studios decision to turn down the project as it sounds like the schedule was a nightmare
I really cannot wait to see IT happen in the second half of the season, manga readers have been waiting for a good minute now.
Man you quick wit it
Are you the real one?
@@shubhamraj25 Yeah. If the channel has a vid w/ a mill views its the real one.
Who are you?
Nah it gon be trash unless they change the ending for the anime
The main thing I miss from WIT were the jaw dropping sequences they would do every so often, following someone using ODM gear. Examples being ofc the Levi scene from season 3 episode 1, also when the scouts are swirling around the colossal titan when he's on top of the wall. We didn't get any sequences like that from MAPPA. They did a great job, but it's just something I noticed. I guess this is more so on the director rather than the actual animators though.
Most of those amazing sequences came from one guy (can't remember his name, Imai I think?) who mostly works for WIT so getting him for this season was always going to be tough. Maybe if there were more time, but as we all know time is one thing MAPPA did not have when making this season.
@@MrEdit-ic7th his name is Arifumi Imai, he's a freelancer
He has worked with many studios in the past but it's mostly Production I.G and Wit who he worked with
@@MrEdit-ic7th Airfumi didn't want to come to s4 because mappa didn't want to pay him that much that and also the shit deadline they expected.
@@catlike9444 The pandemic messed things up
@@Jigglywhiteboy7156 pandemic plus greed
They heavily cut Reiner's flashback in the anime compared to the manga.
yes they did cut out some material here and there - but even after comparing them and writing it on down, none of it really impacted my perspective on Reiner from one version to the other (however, I can definitely understand if others had issues with those changes; they just didn't stand out to me)
@@Lowart I personally liked the cut run our warriors up to wall Maria, Their impromptu strategy. To think our entire show kicked off with 3 confused kids just winging it is crazy. And seeing their rushed plan just start the first episode so casually would make me think of reiners line in season two where he says “we were just kids who didn’t know any better”
Bruh that shut was three whole books
Opposed to five minutes
@@Lowart The only big cut that I was annoyed with was cutting Annie's scene in drawing the Titans. When Armin theorized that was probably how they lured the Titans to the wall earlier in the show, it only felt natural we'd SEE that here, but no. That didn't go anywhere and it just seems like Annie's role in this plan was removed entirely.
This really should've been a summer 2021 anime so mappa could've had enough time to animate this season to the best of their abilities while also not killing their employees
You mean 2022?
@@Ao_Ao0 lmao yeah
@@Ao_Ao0 2023, even
My only significant problem with this season is how they cut out parts of Reiner's backstory, like how we find out Annie's scream is what led all the pure titans to Shiganshina in the beginning of the series, or Reiner talking about how the royal government is made up of Eldians that aren't subjects of Ymir
Also cutting out Annie's internal monologue with her scene with Kenny made the scene confusing to anyone who hasn't read the manga
It’s already explained in season 1 that the Female titans scream is what led all the titans to Shinganshina
@Aditya I how would it not make sense? Shiganshina is the southernmost district closest to where the Titans were made. It makes perfect sense they would gravitate towards shiganshina more than any other district since the walls were designed to lure Titans in small herds.
@@alex-vs4jv that entire scene with Kenny is still a fucking mystery to me, i completely lost immersion with that episode... it was so obviously rushed :/
I didn’t find Falco’s line about flying with swords as weird. I took it as him experiencing memories from someone else.
Possibly foreshadowing that he becomes a shifter?
Idk if he does or doesn’t, I haven’t read the manga.
But that was my interpretation when I saw it.
PATHS
It does not make sense seeing where the story went. Even manga readers are confused.
@@torgan Why? It's Paths
@@samueloak1600 but that logics, any and all titan shifter should able to look into past shifters withou the having the power
@@torgan Paths connect all subjects of Ymir
S4E3 definitely suffered the most when it came to cuts. A lot of details were not included (plenty of anime-onlies were confused by the Kenny scene) and, worst of all, the episode made it look like Annie slept through the Fall of Shiganshina, basically taking her responsibility away. She wanted to go back but then Reiner knocked her out.
In the manga she not only helped Reiner & Bert reach Wall Maria, she also summoned all the titans with her scream. The anime completely neglected that.
Fingers crossed Part 2 blows us away. I'd be fine if they delayed it till April if it meant we'd be getting a more polished product.
Just look in the trailer to see a ″ polished ″ product 🤡🤮
@@bombaster3168 What do you mean???
@@bletrick3352 dw he’s just another “CG = Bad in every shape and form” guys. Only bad thing in the trailer imo is that Yelena’s shot is not as spectacular compared to the last trailer
@@bombaster3168 come on at least the trailer is not some pre animated lie again so it not overhyped like last time.
One could hope. It's a shame that so much of season 4 is CGI because some of the concepts here are hands down my favorite things in the show. Eren taking the fight to Marley is a highlight for the season no doubt. Though I kinda have zero interest in the plot now. I dunno what the logic is behind this weird "we should just kill ourselves so marley doesn't have to oppress us anymore lol".
Yo if someone replies to this no spoilers
8:15 Falco is talking about paths. All Eldians are connected through paths. Falco connected to paths to some degree when he got knocked out on the battlefield. He has memories of an Eldian in ODM gear from this experience. This has the double meaning of lampshading how the Eldians of Paradis were the focus of the show beforehand and now the focus has shifted to the Warriors of Marley.
As a manga reader that was pretty obvious. What don’t make sense to me is why would they go through so much effort in making the opening with the least amount of spoilers in the show’s history, only to throw the spoiler or foreshadowing of falco being a shifter in the very first episode? 🤷♂️
@@marlonm.255 not every eldian connected to paths is a shifter
Still weird as hell
This is phenomenal lowart. I hope to see a deeper dive on character and themes like the long running FMA series. But bravo good sir. As always I enjoy your insight and commentary
Thanks! I'm happy you enjoyed this one :)
@@Lowart where is s3 part 2???
Seeing the fan-made animation of Armin's transformation made me sad cuz it shows how godlike just this first half of the season could've been
exactly, it is depressing...
In the previous seasons, the characters had moments where they looked like fresh, juicy food. The way their hair and skin shined in light and skin color; it made me think of fruit and cheese. Now, that's nowhere to be seen. I kind of miss it. I also miss 2D Titans, of course, but you know what? I don't watch Attack on Titan for Titan battles, anyway; I watch it for everything else
Overall, I think the final season is great so far and I can't wait for part two; it's going to be wild...
??? If only 3D titans were season 4s only problem.
@@bletrick3352 well you maybe have some other problems with the season, but it ain't same for everyone it's all subjective my guy
that 3d shit gotta go
@@ytpancho nope
they need cgi
and do you really think they’ll be able to animate all the colossal titans in 2d?
the answer is no, a hard fucking no
@@finkriel1814 yup, not as clean as the animations. Yes, hard yes is the answer
Now I'm interested in hearing your opinions on aots ending
I'm re-reading Attack on Titan now, so if I have any sort of interesting take I'll make a video on it.
“Ymir was in love with King Fritz” LOL
It’s the worst ending in the history of a fictional work. Just reading Eren’s dialogue about Mikasa alone gives me physical pain. I’m serious.
@@lordartoriuscollbrande7434 Not only did Isayama completely fuck the ending, then he released another 8 pages, fucking over anyone who liked his original ending.
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It’s crazy I just discovered ur channel today and spent all day watching pt1,2,3 and you just blessed me with pt4 now imma definitely subscribe
Being disappointed on how things turned out is fine. Its blaming Mappa thats the problem. Watch one episode from JJK and you’d realize that they can animate good. Its just that time wasn’t on their side. And we just gotta deal with what we were given
Yeah but i think you can still criticize mappa cuss their workers are slaves. Mappa has no symaphy for the workers and mappa choose to take on an impossible project and their slaves had to suffer
@@bobguy5006 ur right. i shouldve worded it better. i did mean the animators. poor guys don't get paid nearly enough than what they should.
yeah, mappa has produced some AMAZING animation. rage of bahamut has some of the best animation i've ever seen
You can blame mappa since there greedy and they chose to do 10 anime projects in 2020 but don't blame the animators and freelancers that work to death and are pretty much slaves to mappa.
MAPPA definitely should be blamed. They’re staff are being overworked to death and all the higher-ups care about is money.
Very informative video, I absolutely loved how you tackled the production schedule and the previous seasons struggle. I also love how you were positive about the first 16 eps of S4 but you were also equally critical for valid reasons. Also, love how you tackled every single aspect of the first 16 eps with the music, animation, backgrounds, and even the smallest parts with the syncing of the cannons and music and the actually incredible VA performance. I haven’t seen anyone do any of this breakdown type stuff yet and I was really excited to watch this, listening continuously and hearing things I agree with and go “YES, EXACTLY!” Love how you covered the Mikasa retcon too, most people didn’t really mention that and it’s really off putting. Awesome video, truly, and one I was waiting for someone to make for awhile. Thank you very much for this incredible breakdown!
The reason for Witstudio handing over to studio mappa wasn't because they DIDN'T WANT to do it the production comittee wanted it to come out before 2022 and Witstudio had a full schedule
I dont know why you feel the need to apologize for giving an honest opinions. This season was rough, and that's that.
Have you checked out the bluray version of this season? The differences aren’t that big but to me it still felt like a lot got improved.
Not really there are no extra added frames. Some parts are completely redrawn and some parts are botched from original.
Main culprit CG had little to no changes whatsoever. Hell they even increased blur on CG scenes in blu ray.
@@gamebond6248 they literally didn’t tho. And the only “blur” that was added was for backgrounds when it was necessary. 99% of the changes they made were an improvement
@@fryer.studios100 prove me wrong then. Everything I said is already present in screen cap comparisons.
And YES the blur is added not just to the backgrounds but also the whole screen whenever CG titans popped up.
My personal gripe with season 4 was it adapted the manga to a point where it hurt its pacing. The pacing in the manga worked where something new was learned and some kind of twist came to the end of each chapter. When watching aot season 4 it felt like I’d watch an episode and the plot wasn’t moved forward in a satisfying enough pace. As in the episode would end and the characters would be at the same place as they were in the beginning. Maybe if I watched season 4 again all in one sitting instead of each week my opinion would change.
I don't think I understand what you're trying to say. You say that each chapter of the manga felt like it moved the plot along nicely. Every episode of the anime adapted more than just a single chapter, so it sounds contradictory to say that the plot doesn't feel as moved along each episode as the manga chapters were individually.
Also, we're you reading month-to-month for the chapters that season 4 adapted?
@@tearlach47 hmm, maybe I’m just biased and remembering wrong. I jumped back into reading the manga monthly when s4 started so I did not read those chapters monthly. Maybe it’s because a manga chapter only takes a couple minutes to read so I expect less out of it and even the smallest move in the plot is more interesting. Whereas an episode I feel like has to warrant 24min of my time and I want the plot to move forward to the bigger stuff. Maybe my preference for manga over anime is showing.
@@Smaudre723 What are you even talking about? Your logic is nonsensical.
@@bletrick3352 I think I admitted in my second reply that yeah my opinion is pretty biased and based on what I personally expect out of different mediums. So yeah you could say its an illogical opinion if you wanted to.
@@bletrick3352 I think what he means is the manga had better pacing and didn't feel as rushed.
This is the moment I have been waiting for! I am finally going to watch the best video on this channel
Thank you for making this. You said everything in a really reasonable way and it gives a home to those of us who weren’t as happy with this season and were berated for the discontent. You’re right that these animators still deserve the biggest props for all the work they do, but I would’ve waited another 4 year time gap to have Wit making this with that much time.
I’m so happy you’re doing a video on aot
tbh i'm still kinda pissed at mappa for picking it up. I wish they refused too so whoever's in charge would've been forced to make the deadlines more reasonable, instead of purposely overworking their employees
Tera baap bana ke deta phir season 4?
It literally wasn’t gonna happen if they didn’t pick up Kodansha refused to budge on that
@@KevinTriforce there is no proof of it whatsoever. S4 definitely would have got adapted after manga ending because it's such a huge money maker. Production committee were hellbent on forcing it to boost manga sales but if every studio would have denied it, we would have gotten S4 2-3 years later but with the treatment it deserved.
@@KevinTriforce
Then it shouldn't have happened. I value human life more than some crazy cartoon
Crossed fingers for the Japanese Goverment to force animation studios to treat with better dignity their workers! 🤞
Love your analysis man. About the whole quality of S4 your take felt very genuine to me. I completely agree with you. Gigguk also has same opinion on it in his aot video. Previous seasons and S4 pre animated trailer specially is already there to compare what we would have got.
S4 by any means is not bad in terms of animation and overall presentation but it's not great either. At the end of the day we'll say it's "fine". It's disappointing but all we can do is keep moving forward.
It honestly pains me when I think about what could have been….
Been waiting on this
rewatching season 4 makes me so sad cause you can always go back to the trailer and see how good this could’ve been if they didn’t only have 10 months to do this it’s not mappas fault or the staffs or the director they had no time and had to do this if you want give someone fault give the greedy fucks that made them do that in the small amount of time
I think they had 6-8 months
Great video! Mappa's adaptation has its ups and downs. I really hope the part 2 would be great.
I also agree with you that s3 p2 is the best in the series.
The cgi is so clunky looking and jarring in season 4 that it really diminishes the excitement of a lot of the beat parts of the series.
Not a single scene has come out of season 4 that has elicited the reaction and desire to constantly rewatch that so many had for Levi vs Annie or Levi be the Beast Titan. Or even Eren vs Annie, or Reiner and Bertholdt’s reveal. Or the entire sequence of events near the end of the second and third seasons respectively.
Something about the presentation was just so much weaker and it shows in how no one is really talking about the season at all.
Well, that and the manga had a terrible ending, so most folks just aren’t interested in the series anymore.
for sure, after re watching the final season i remember taking such a long break after ep 8. and realized how bored i was with it.
even though i found myself rewatching the previous seasons TWICE in the same year. even now i put on some episodes on TV because they're just that amazing. I don't have that same feeling with S4.
I don't even care about AOT, but I like how you analyze things, so I'm here watching lol.
The animation is fine for the most part, however the 4th season lacks those jaw dropping fight scenes of the first 3 seasons. The CGI could be worse, but let’s be real, the story carried the F out of the animation.
But the biggest then that I dislike from the season was the reason the animation was a downgrade because of greed. Greed is the worst thing that could happen, and that heartbreaking for aot.
last sentence is facts lol sorry not sorry. the marley arc itself was amazingly written. story and the characters carried the season.
Dude, your video autoplayed for me while I was cooking and I thought you were MattPatt!!
I will forever say s4 Mikasa doesn't look like Mikasa (it's more like an alternate dimension fan-made version.... doesn't make the show worse at all, just takes me out of some moments, exactly like he described it in the video, except I didn't mind anyone else's design, also I liked how Eren looked)
Watch the Blu-ray clips, they changed that scene. Also she just cut her not a big deal.
@@Comicbroe405 dude almost everything about her is different your just accepting the fact that's she looks totally different.. I really don't care that much not my favourite character at all.. It just took me out of they show and I couldn't stop thinking about it the head shape and everything is so different I thoughts she was a new character....... lol
@@Comicbroe405 exactly bro, nobody is hating on the design but I also notice how different it looks and not only from previous seasons, there are changes in their designs from one episode to another, but that is because they had so many different teams working in different episodes instead of one team. The result is a varying design from one episode to another and that’s ok, doesn’t make the show bad however it is something that screams time constraints and management issues.
She's like this in the manga too
@@dischordblast8992 not all episodes look manga accurate tho. Nothing wrong with it but there are differences
You didn't mentioned the aot world map (chapter 93) which was cut in the anime (ep 2). I don't really understand why they cut it... Very good video by the way !
The storyboarding was so bland and the backgrounds had zero detail. So many shots felt way too zoomed in as well. Hated the visuals.
Hard disagree there, I thought the backgrounds were beautiful and really gave life to each scene.
@@MrEdit-ic7th They were ok, but not even CLOSE to the WIT. The forest looked bland af compared to how big and majestic it was in Season one.
@@awsomeboy360 yep i agree on that one
wit's adaptation was special and gorgeous and in comparison mappa one looks bland
i still sometime imagine if mappa had enough time then marley fight would have been the best fight in all aot cuz it actually was the best one in manga.
to me erens transformation in ep 5 looked underwhelming too not due to music but it didnt just looked that awesome to me(as a manga reader i expected more) even thought the story itself was fantastic, visuals didnt live up to the hype story created.
I would like the background a bit more if there wasn't some much bur effect.
It was my most anticipated arc, but I never expected this quality. It didn't click for me. I felt disturbed and disappointed the first time I watched each episode, except for some. I longed for that eye-candy shots and animation that I was used to with wit.
Me too... The animation is good and all but everytime when I think about s3 part 2 animation which i think is the peak of the series I get little annoyed how much better it was
the 2nd prt is going to be even more controversial
i think MAPPA did a fantastic job with the time they had. WIT was better with the epic animation and titan fights, but in my opinion MAPPA handled better the human interactions, no cheap action lines and little to no still frames. The camera direction was fantastic. I'm sure Part 2's animation will be way better, since the working conditions and schedule is so much better.
Dunno about that since the highly detailed faces than earlier restricted S4 of having more movements even in dialogue scenes resulting in more still frames than usual.
Not to mention the shading is pretty bland too and S4 had the most amount of inconsistent facial drawings in all of the series even after blu ray.
S4 is also missing the highly polished close up scenes that WIT had with its special make up team that elevated intense scenes to max level eg- Argument scene over Erwin in s3 part2.
Washed out colours and Bloom effect aren't an excuse for tone of s4.
@@gamebond6248 MAPPA also has a good amount of detailed close ups like Zeke shouting for Ksaver and Levi's eyes noticing he's gonna blow up. Or Mikasa crying when Eren says he hates her.
And so it arrives
I love your videos, HiP.
i think it looks fine although i am gonna miss those amazing shots where the camera follows a person's movements while they're swinging around
I love that you can here nightmare playing 1:06
holy dambolly you actually made "The Video"
I admit the quality of animation did drop but I still think it looks good. I like the way the Beast Titan looks. Most of the time he looks more HD and just brightened up a bit. But there are times, like in the clip of BT vs Levi in the trees, where the CGI looks very bad.
I'm glad you acknowledged the idea of MAPPA being "lazy" - mismanaged, yes. But the individual animators are completely faultless. Their artistry still shines through.
Are you excited for the Final Final Final season?
The animation in the trailer shows you what could have been and oh my god it would’ve been amazing. They did a great job with the time they had and is even really good not knowing that but don’t get me wrong it could’ve been AMAZING since what we had with WIT has been so much more jaw dropping (animation wise, but in terms of the show overall season 4 is like already my second fav)
Falco's flying line is indeed a meta reference lol.
My first Manga/anima I watched was death note so to really see an anima at that lvl of a story telling amazing ChercherS an such a deep meaning of a story it's really a special moment we need to appreciate that
I can’t believe you got the actual spoiler owl on for a cameo
8:08 because of the PATHS BRO!!!
it really is a shame that mappa wasn’t given more time bc we already know that they produce beautiful anime (dororo, jujutsu kaisen, and yuri on ice to name a few) when given enough time to :(
People were too harsh on MAPPA. They did what they could with the given time.
And I kept seeing comparisons to animes like Demon Slayer (AKA made by a completely different studio) or other animes produced by MAPPA ignoring those animes did have time to be properly produced.
A lot of people forget that a lot of time the anime studio aren't the sole decision makers when producing an anime series. There's (sometimes) the network giving their input, and then there's the anime project committee who originally chose the studio to animate the show. The studio or worse the director and animators, unfortunately, are the ones that become the "fall guy" when things go wrong, even if its not their fault.
There a different. Demon slayer is animated by ufotable a studio that well known for having amazing aimations but also having one of the best working environment in the anime industry next to Kyoto animation. Now let's look at mappa: overworking animators, outsourcing almost every anime projects and doing too many anime projects while excepting one with shit deadlines. Mappa did 10 anime projects in 2020 alone. 10! Mappa deserved the hate but the animators don't. The animators deserves respect.
the only major cut was episode 3 with reiners backstory and how the warriors broke the wall
Imo i didnt like erens inconsistent drawing I understand they didnt have much time but still
Kondansha really gives out some dirty time crunches that must put so much mental strain on studios. Even recently Blue Period which is in part under a large Kondansha majority production committee had hell behind the scenes with finishing off work
If you look at the original trailer for season 4 they used hand animated Titans but in the show it's cgi. This shows that they where trying and literally ran out of time. Then they had to go back and replace the already done hand drawn with CGI to make scenes consistent. Seeing these where added in pretty late it's amazing how good they look. It's not perfect but it's perfectly understandable
I’ve never clicked on a youtube video so fast in my life
I would like to point out one praise-worthy thing about the animation mappa did for the (not) final season and that is the character movement outside of action scenes.
Sure the expressions might not be great and occasionally it seems like the framerate dropped... but the way they move their bodies and gesture feels very realistic in some places, like when the kids are at he market for example.
When Eren and co attacked Marley I could not help but think about the bombing of cologne in wwii
I couldn’t get past the animation change
Not even ten seconds in and I’m chuckling lol
Was very much looking forward to this one, wish it was longer. For me this season was fantastic thanks to the strong direction and faithfulness to a story that has become so complex and interesting. S3P2 may be more fulfilling since it was the climax of the story at that point, but this season is the evolution of AOT and the show has never been more interesting. Never before had I seen a show that blurred the lines between good and evil so well, I genuinely don't know who to root for going into this last season.
Sure it is a shame we'll never see what this season could've been with more time, but considering the circumstances this season was made under, it turned out shockingly well I think. The CGI and character designs could be distracting, but overall this season just felt right with the overall direction and atmosphere matching the quality that I came to expect from past seasons. I could go on forever about this season so I'll just stop here, but thank you for taking a fair stance towards this season since too many people on the internet refuse to. What were your thoughts on the Blu-Ray changes? Any favorite episodes/moments in particular?
Some of the blu-ray changes were nice, but they didn't do anything to change my overall opinion about the show's appearance. Favourite episodes were the Reiner flashback and the Zeke flashback.
What I don't like about the CG titans is That they made there Eyes look bleached and dead the attack titan looks Like he's blind and the beast titan looks like he has Bike lamps instead of eyes
I will always say that season 4 episode 7 was the best episode of the season for aot. They blended the CGI with gorgeous 2d still shots giving this sense of detail and movement that was missing in the rest of the episodes. One of the most disappointing aspects to me was the levi vs beast titan fight in the woods. One thing I love about anime adaptations is how creative they can get in fights while also sticking to the source material. I really wanted to see mappa hit it out of the park with this, but by the time I finished that episode I was left disappointed and honestly frustrated. I would never hate an animator or Mappa for the quality of that fight, but holy shit did that not do anything for me.
I also miss the jaw-dropping scenes that wit gave us but I don't dislike the animation that Mappa did
I heard once the argument that the change of art style compliments the overall story tone from the black and white view of humans Vs titans into the much more grey view of morality and war. I'm very on board with this POV of a new dark world opening up and I can extend it to the CGI titans that makes them look more alien and unnatural than they were before - fitting, the more we know about them the less we understand.
What looks better or worse is subjective, of course. But for me the different art style reminds me to look at the show differently, too. It's not the same show as we know it anymore and that's what engrossed me in to the story and lessons it has to share. 🙂
Tbh the best comparison I can probably make is to Berserk 2016. They are both anime that had really rough animation, with them banking of the fact that the story will at least be good. Still season 4 is clearly better visually still than Berserk 2016, and the conditions behind the scenes was far different. It just feels like a lot of companies using 3D are using it not because it would work and they want to use it, but instead they use it because its quicker and they can meet deadlines. I guess Overlord can also be brought up since it shares a lot of problems this anime has as well.
Berserk was such an intricately drawn manga with loads of detail. I don't understand the desire to adapt it cheaply and quickly.
@@Edax_Royeaux I’d rather have no adaptation tbh
Personally, the art style and animation in general was amazing, music and sound design was excellent and pacing was great.
The only problem was that we were used to the drawn titans and making them cg was jarring.
I dont know dude, it was pretty bad
@@dead1zer0 the CGI? Or the anime in general?
Some cg was good like cart jaws and armored titan but Warhammer looks to rubbing and beast and attack definitely need alot of work like beast titan fur doesn't even move and I know fur moved in cg model before.
How did- how did you know I needed this video from you this is amazing,,,
The reason why WIT give it up was because the production committee give them such short time to animate it all. Had Mappa not accepted it, the production committee would have been forced to extent the production. Thus, the presentation would have been the best had that happened.
Nah had MAPPA not accepted it, the production committee would’ve just found another studio to work on it.
@@tragic_light No they wouldn't. No Studio wanted to do Attack on Titan because the amount the work that needs to be done to animate that series. It's been explained multiple times how Mappa was in the wrong for picking it up and screwing up their animators.
@@awsomeboy360 yes, MAPPA was kind of stupid for agreeing to pick up the show with such a tight schedule. However, if MAPPA passed up on the opportunity, it most likely wouldn’t have made the production committee extend the production time. They would’ve just went on and pitched it to another studio until they found one dumb enough to take it on. Mappa most definitely wasn’t the first studio approached by Kodansha and they most certainly wouldn’t have been the last if they passed up on it.
@@tragic_light so overall aot was doom from the start from greed. It ironic because part of the aot us fighting against greed and being free from slavery but I guess aot ended up being a slave to greed.
"it had me going bananas"
i SWEAR
how can you not understand falco line ? he got this memories just means that he will became a titan later its just a forshadoing for what is coming up next
Okay but u gotta admit that one scene where Zeke blew up himself and Levi was
adapted sooo wellll
All of the story tweaks are added by the author's order, so Falco having a dream about flying with swords is intentional foreshadowing that maaybe he's destined to become a titan shifter or receive memories through PAtHS from Eren? I think it's effective to give us continuity and a reason to pay attention to this character in a first episode that many may otherwise find confusing because we're switching to a completely new set of characters and it takes time to figure out where and when we even are.
Really the issue with this season is the same as with half of season 3: the many many cost saving steps. Not only does it make some episodes look cheap, it cuts out panels and parts that carried meaning. Annie stepping on a bug mimicking her stepping on Levi squad is replaced by just a single panel of a squashed bug. Showing the first appearance of the Colossal but from the other POV, with Berthold looking down on Eren&co as kids, is replaced by reused s1 footage. Annie's investigation is cut short making it confusing (people have actually inquired if Kenny is her dad because oddly that quip is what they chose to keep, rather than clarifying why she is following him). Now if you look back on s3 there are pars in the finale or Historia's flashback that suffer from the same eact problems, but it's even more frequent and poignant this season, and it's evident that they simply did not have the budget. Which speaks volumes about the state of the anime industry in general when one of the biggest names can't get funding and gets passed around between studios with the cheaper offers.
From what I read Aot’s final season director yuichiro hayashi had already planned to make CG titans from the very beginning. He is one of those animation directors that pushes for the use if cg instead of hand drawn. So I don’t know how much of a difference it would have made if mappa had had more time. 🤷♂️
Who knows man since pre animated trailer for S4 didn't had CG titans aside from colossal titan. PV is supposed to be the representative of final product.
You didn't talk about the plot at all...
i believe cgi is necessary to improve anime.
but i still believe it isn’t well done in AoT. the cgi doesn’t blend in with the 2D which is an extra layer of distraction added to an already messy thing.
it kinda feels like they creat light when fighting (at night) while in previous seasons they were constantly covered in shadows (even in day fights)
I'm watching P1 again and it's not bad as people claim it to be.....it's still pretty good
There have already been some notable improvements and corrections for the Blu Ray release, but naturally not everything will be up to the impossibly high standards set by WIT. MAPPA has done pretty well overall, considering the massive undertaking and demands this series has a reputation for. I'm not as bothered by the CGI Titans as much as most have been, but there are definitely a few moments that either looked stiff or just plain off (still leaps and bounds above WIT's god awful Colossal Titan) and I actually liked their choice of rotoscoping in the second episode. It helped lend a bit more character acting to scenes that otherwise would have been still images. The time skip was a perfect time to make the studio change, but I do miss the overall polish that WIT had with their backgrounds and lighting. Overall tho, MAPPA has done great in spite of the circumstances, and I'm excitedly looking forward to seeing how they adapt the ending, controversial as it is.
@@aniketnegi2642 that because it wasn't made by wit, that doesn't have a compositing team at all, but by Asahi production, aka the best Anime photography and conpositing studio of Japan.
Backround art is the LAST thing people should be picking apart, the backround art for this season was fantastic and quite seriously on par with other seasons. It was interesting hearing your views on this controversial season, but I respectfully disagree with a lot of what you said. This season for me personally is the most fun I've had watching attack on titan since season 2, and I barely even noticed the "problems" you brought to light in this video. Quite frankly the only problems I had with this season that really irritated me as I was watching was the fandom exacerbating every tiny little thing and acting like it's such a huge problem. The fandom has never been so toxic before
To each his own opinion. The fandom is divided and the evidence is that I agree with him and you don’t. So long as I don’t try to force my opinions into you and vice versa we will be fine.
I don't speak for everyone but I will gladly say
Screw people who say AoT season 4 is lazy in any way, you make not like it for a variety of reasons but lazy shouldn't be uttered when referring to this show
It's true Mappa couldn't control the whole tattoo thing in the past seasons but they COULD control it in Season 4. Couldn't they ask Isayama: "Oi, mate! Is that tattoo thing going to be important during the ending or not? Because it would be pretty silly to include it just for this one scene if it's superfluous."
And guess what? The tattoo WAS superfluous in the end. Oops. :P
I think the last couple of episodes were getting better but as a manga reader I think some titans will be cgi even if hope they won't!
I wish i could subcribe again cuz of that intro
I think the only way to solve everything is the make an Aot Remaster with extra sence from the manga that we didn't get
But the problem with this idea is people who've never seen Aot will mostly pick the Remastered one and it will take away from the bad CGI different art style and weird animation of the Original
Great review, a lot of people are pretty toxic in reviewing season 4. Either by completely trashing the hard working animators, or calling any one who criticizes the animation in any way toxic fans. There is nothing wrong with valid criticism, though it should be done without cruelty. Though the animation was subpar to previous seasons, the show is still carried by great writing, characters, themes, voice acting, and music.
The shift on season 4 was so jarring the line about "was i flying around" just helped assure me that yes...this is AoT and not a weird mistake with the streaming service and wrong video is playing.
@@ilay_ux i dont see what you mean saddly, i think Season 4 is brilliant, like in a mind blowing way its sooo good...if the show was always leading up to this being its conclusion, its a masterpiece of story telling...you yourself said you love watching it 10/10 when you first saw it...dont let the internet tell you what you love "isent so good".
4 episodes in and I feel both physically and mentally drained. Also i feel slightly more prone to becoming angry.
The animation isn't really an issue to me i just wanna know what the fuck is going on and I wanna see some familiar faces...
In my opinion Mappa did an amazing job, including the visuals. I didn't mind the CGI at all. People are overly allergic to it.
i just would wish we could have seen the 2d version...
10:50 ba-dum-tiss 🥁
naaa they cut out annies titan and bertolt transforming at the wall
dang this was great, I'd really like to see your opinion on the P2 teaser, from the looks of it the cgi is definitely much much better and doesn't even look half as jarring, second the character art looks phenominal the expressions are amazing, also the lighting and composition. it seems they basically improved everything
Attack on Nitpick: The Final Whining. Part One.
I must be the only AOT fan in the world who is not angry with the new animation. I really think it’s fucking fine 😭 only thing I’m worried about is the ending since I read the manga.
now THAT shit was disappointing.
Hey HEY
Chubby Floch is a masterpiece
12:10 That's where I have to disagree. S3p2 marked the point where I noticed some shit was going down behind the scenes since s3p2, in my opinion, is easily the weakest Attack on Titan has looked by Wit. Pick ANY moment from s3p2 that ISN'T either ep 1, the Beast titan fight, or Armin's sacrifice and majority of feels.... half baked. Eren vs Reiner was extremely underwhelming, a lot of the ODM movements felt REALLY stiff to the point it just looked like characters were moving in mid air still asf. LOADS of reused animation from previous seasons, the opening alone reuses A TON of old animation and was mainly still frames. Erwin's suicide charge lacked the bombastic animation the previous animation had, there was A LOT more human CGI used (it was even noticeable in s3p1), titan movements just felt really sluggish, I could go on.
I never found myself disappointed with season 4 compared to how I felt with s3p2. Large part since I knew I wasn't going to be expecting anything like the first 2 seasons. I love s4 but everyone was making such a huge fuss out of EVERY SMALL thing. The point that really pissed me off was when people were bitching about the music choice for Eren's grand transformation in Marley. S4 RUINED Youseebiggirl for me because the fandom just thinks THEY KNOW HOW to direct. I'm just glad Attack on Titan is ending now so this shit can finally end.
yehhhh the moment he pointed out S3p2 as its peak by a production stand point, i couldn't help but pull a face lol. it was reaaaaally awkward often times. but the amount of sakuga and great moments sort of balanced it all out so i cant blame anyone for feeling that way. scenes like erwin's charge and the scouts vs reiner are carried by fierce expressions and so much weight overall. the feels were real in that part of the season so as i said, i really cant blame anyone for feeling the way they do about it. weight and immersion overshadows quality IF a show is a well written.
still, it doesn't undermine the fact that s3p2 was the wonkiest AOT has ever looked, so i dont disagree with you. and tbh i have nothing to say about s4's reception lol. i personally found its quality jarring compared to S3p2 but i agree with how exagerrated the feedback was. i remember the build up to Eren's attack on marley, and all the whining they did when they didn't play the right music lol.
watch the blu ray version