I have to give you credit for trying all of these systems and not getting totally screwed up. I really enjoy your videos. There is something so blue collar about them that I relate to
So I’m thinking of changing to the S&T and I’ve changed some but the help you gave me with the knee is gonna help me bcz I’ve been keeping too much weight on my lead foot.
I’ve by following Tom Saguto’s UA-cam videos for a while and find them both entertaining and informative but just your 2 simple swing thoughts in this video, pointing your lead knee in toward the ball rather than away and keeping hands in-line to the belt area were the missing feels I needed to bring everything together producing that kfc contact and confidence I’ve been searching for using this swing method. Enjoy your channel…thanks for all you do.
Good work. I saw Tom’s latest video that has you relax your left arm so you have no tension in your shoulders. I like to focus on keeping my head slightly behind the ball it seems to help get the launch the ball a little higher
I got that belt-line-swing feeling by using the Lagshot, and that really does increase the distance. Before that, all the other methods might help me with the consistency but never with the distance, so I believe that's one way to fully release the power.
This is the most valuable teaching video I have seen in recent months. You explained a lot of things that I seemed to feel right before, but I was not sure about.
Thank you for your videos they have been great. I have made all the same mistakes for the same reason. Hands high, too much weight forward, loss of power than in search of power. I have learned a lot thank you for sharing.
Chad, thanks very much for telling it like it is. I totally agree that there is WAY too much "this is so simple" and "if A, then B" BS in golf instruction. That kind of oversimplification is the opposite of helpful. Thanks for the excellent video and the outstanding advice. God bless and keep up the good work!
Well, you hit on three major things I've been doing wrong: too much weight on my lead foot, my lead knee movement, and swinging too hard. Been struggling with my driver until yesterday, without thinking, I took an "easy" swing and the ball went dead straight. At age 70, I'll take that any time over power. Will try that today on the course. I keep coming back to you because you're not a "professional" instructor. I've used them before and they put far too many thoughts in my mind that I can never remember or achieve. Keep up the good work.
Good tip about the front knee. Also agree with how it looks doesn't matter if it works. I think a lot of people want to look like Mike Bennett but their body just isn't up to it. I know mine isn't.
When I tried the S&T my instructor got me to put the ball in middle of my stance even for a 4 iron and on takeaway feel like my lead knee was going towards the target initially. After impact he got me to complete the swing with my trail shoulder ending up over my front foot. To practice getting through the shot he got me to put my feet together, hit through the ball and step through like Gary Player does sometimes. I hit the ball really well and consistent and because I was aiming for a good finish position (shoulder over foot) I hit the ball very straight. I would go to the range and only really needed about 4 shots to know that it was all working. The other balls were just for exercise!!! 😆 Don't know why I went away from it but I'm now going back to that method again. It may or may not have been pure S&T but it gave me amazing results.
Nailed this comment. 👌 Great tips from your instructor, that likely addressed your personal inclinations. Also, making it your own is a huge key, and you're spot on there. It's OK to tweak it to your own taste.
Thanks, I appreciate you referencing other instructors, a real plus. I added in some Saguto. Your comments today on knee position, and hands low was right on. The monster562 comment on right shoulder follow through a great tip. I got I to Saguto's simple chipping and pitching and that ended up the biggest improvement overall.
As long as don't finish with the one you started with and the second one at the end because those perfect imperfections imperfectly impact on your chopper. All makes 100% sense...thanks for your great video's
Power in the golf swing really does come from the arc size of the looping motion of the clubhead and lead arm that I've described to you earlier. You are creating a short very inside out and flattish intact loop when you tighten up your backswing turn like that. So it works for a good strike and power relative to the size of the swing but there's nowhere left to go with your arc beyond that so that will be the limit of your power without that technique breaking down. Also since the driver is a longer shaft and requires more flatness you will require even more technique breakdown to try and get any power with it. Whatever way that you swing, the only way to create significantly more power is to have a means of increasing the arc AND simultaneoulsly looping the club which means that your method has to allow you the room to do that without breaking down. Breaking down means that you are having to give up some of the potential in your leverage system (linkage) or unduly slowing certain things down in order to strike the ball squarely. This is what was happening in your driver video. Because there was nowhere to go to create a bigger arc and loop, you started letting your arms swing further out of synch with the looping mechanism thus losing leverage potential and then you were forced to try and power the club around your body with leg and turn speed. If you look at Saguto's latest video entitled "My Amateur Golf Was OVER Once I Did This (Big Golf Swing Discovery)", he talks about the high trail elbow on the way back and keeping the clubhead OUTSIDE the hands. These 2 things together are guaranteeing a loop of power that allow the clubhead to approach the ball squarely with speed. The idea of the high trail elbow is more of an iron thing (due to steeper plane and descending strike) and is not consistently true throughout the bag. If you look at his driver swing, the trail elbow stays barely higher than the lead in the early backswing BUT there is still a big loop created by the fact the clubhead stays high and wide relative his hand path. This is the secret, period. If you look at his driver takeaway (recently, but any of them) you'll see that the clubhead works straight back from the ball for a distance and comes up quickly as his hands stay low. In other words the clubhead is working high and wide compared to the motion of his hands which is creating a loop and then he has a classic S&T hip and leg drive which which allows the arms to stay low while the clubhead drops below the plene (working more in to out) completing the loop. If you can learn to create the biggest arc and loop relative to the constraints of the system that you are using, you will maximize the power available within that system and that is the only way to do it without becoming significantly more flexible or strong which are less efficient ways to increase power but still useful to "top if up" so to speak. Cheers.
I agree. You run out of room and can't get the arms to go any further, unless you let everything break down. But in SNT, I believe they teach that getting a longer swing is a matter of turning the hips and shoulders further, to allow the club to travel further, without breaking down. So, I'll have to get deeper rotation with SNT to see gains, but I have to work my way there over times, instead of trying to leap frog and time jump.
@@GolfTestDummy Well, I'm really talking about how the club is moving relative to your turn. If you examine Saguto's swing in detail compared to your own the clubhead is travelling MUCH straigher back from the ball, higher and more in front of him, all of which are creating more arc, even though he is keeping his hands low . You cannot really turn enough to create much more arc by turning much more and will have to break down by doing that, The thing in S&T is to have a tight turning motion back and through while still have a wide enough arc to create power and allow for some amount of loop. However your body motion is not bad, although in the downswing your leg action is not really tight enough to be called proper S&T, but your clubhead arc is narrow and low instead of high and wide. This also is because of the way that you are taking the club back. In order to have effective looping, you clubhead has to move high and wide relative to your hand path. The only sources or arc power in the golf swing are width and height and then these are both collapsed in the downsing to create looping and consequentially clubhead speed. In S&T, you need enough room in the backswing arc of the clubhead (and arms of course) to be able to have the legs move more directly targetward with the hips under your trunk. However, your takeaway is forcing you move a little more at the ball in order to create some leverage. So everything that I'm indicating is about the backswing motion of the arms and clubhead not allowing enough arc dimensionality in conjunction with the fundamentals of the system. Cheers
I agree GTD. The hips initiate the backswing for me. Then focusing turning my lead hip up on the downswing has given me the best ball striking on my S&T journey. I appreciate your transparency on the mental shortcuts we take in out attempt to accelerate the process. Right now I'm focused on ball striking and feel that once I have that down, the distance I'm looking for will follow.
Good video. A couple things that helped me with regards to your 2 problems. First, too much weight forward: I grip club with lead hand, get alignment and stance, but then come in with trail hand from crotch line. So thru my right hip and place on club. This gives you perfect tilt and weight distribution for each club. Nothing manufactured. Second, with regards to left knee buckling in: huge problem for me over the years. My solution is I press the ball of the lead foot down into the ground to start takeaway. That automatically gives you the knee going out towards the ball. That one pressure move is magic. The whole backswing just happens naturally for me. I mean everything. It gives you perfect shoulder tilts for each club. It gives you hands in, perfectly. Everyone is different, but that's what worked for me. And, of course, none of it is my own! Lol.
Jeff, that's great info! For me, lead knee bends and points on the target side of the ball as a feel, then stay over that spot and extend the lead leg. Works well.
Exactly. That knee will naturally roll in a bit, but it's late and just a little bit. Nothing we need to think about. Mine used to just buckle immediately!
Great video Chad. I signed up for Tom's program. I went through the exact same discovery as you while going for more power. As late as yesterday I went back to the low hands and half swing feel. Amazing strikes...KFC crispy strikes, lol. This swing is simple but old habits are hard to break. I see this swing as the solution for me over the long haul. Have gained distance from pure strikes in the sweet spot. Keep it up! Thanks for sharing.
I understand completely about trying to extend the swing for more distance and that is why I have recently struggled with stack and tilt. Feels like when you lengthen the backswing for more power the hands and wrists creep back in. I have since went back to a more fundamental swing but have taken some elements of stack and tilt to help with contact such as hands in but if I flare my feet I fight swaying off the ball so I’ve had to narrow my stance and straighten my feet.
Chad, we’ve all been there, screwing up our drills, swing and strike because we start chasing distance. It’s great that you recognized it and got back to the slow and steady drills. Our bodies take a long time to change things because it wants to do want o5 knows. Repetition the right way and plenty of them slow and steady is the key to change. As your body gets familiar with the moves you gradually begin to go faster, but it takes time, so don’t rush. Cheers.
I'm working on Kirk Junge's single swing, just added the hip turn you are doing for Stack and Tilt, helped me pull of some great shots at the course today.
Awesome Awesome video!! I can tell you love this. I can't wait to watch your outdoor video! I believe you found something good for yourself in this swing.
One thing I do when over swinging with stack and tilt, is I roll my left forearm a little. Your left arm elbow should face down at the ground or at the ball
that was exactly my problem of getting to big of back swing, when my swing thought was half back swing great strikes, in truth my half back swing was way bigger, feel vs real
I finally broke down and signed up golf lessons, I was primarily trying to make sure I had been building the correct sign for me. I was a little surprised at what he told me, I had what he described as an old school Nick Faldo swing. He felt I needed more modern swing to get more power, much like what George Gankus teaches. Squat, rotate and thrust up to a follow through. I’m old guy in my 60’s so I was really surprised, guess I see if it works. Thanks for the videos.
Man. JD, good luck, my friend. I know Gankas teaches some older guys, but from what I've seen, it's got less to do with age and more to do with mobility. I'm only 45, but there's a lot of mileage on my body from hard labor laying brick and stone for years.
I've been enjoying your videos for some time. Keep it up, I'm using this to help me transition my swing. I use a single length iron setup and getting this right should help simplify my iron game. I've decided to ignore driver for the time being. A good foundation with the irons is my goal first. Driver will come later. I wanted to comment on the 55% on the front foot not being that much different than neutral. true, but for most of us we tend to load the back leg closer to 65 or 70%. More if you're a former baseball Player and have habits from that sport. 🙂 Unloading the back leg helps take the sway out of your body transition from back to front keeping that low point contact consistent. I just wanted to clarify the shift to 55% front foot is way more than just a 5% change from neutral. For some its closer to 20-25%. This may make it feel weak, as the perception of swaying back then forward adds power.
That's a great point, and most of the time, instruction has to be approached in the way you describe. To get that 5 percent, for many, it has to feel like 100.
Another great episode. I'd like to see your opinion and examples of what happens with setting the club face with a driver. Open club face versus a closed club face. Bounce versus leading edge with irons. Thanks Takecare
I'm probably the WORST one to do that, because honestly, I think I can hit it square with any of those. I've been back and forth between open and closed.
OK, fair enough.I just happen to have been someone who was pushed toward having a closed clubface.All due to my initial learning of golf having a terrible slice. Now I've been plegged with a terrible snap hook or excessive draw. I believe this all goes back to having too closed of a club face.With a in to out path. I was watching Patrick Harrington from close up at the PGA and all his practice swings with the driver would just graze the ground before the golf ball during his practice swings. That got me thinking by looking at the bottom of most of our drivers. Is there somewhat of a purpose or a bounce that's actually implemented into our drivers?😂😂 God knows I love overthinking this game. It's fastic. It's therapy for the mind for sure.
That makes sense, because it's the number 1 recommendation to fix a slice, to close the club face. But really, that can make it worse or introduce other issues.
HI mate. you don't really need to over compicate stack / tilt with irons. Jess frank says it perfectly for me. Weight forward, arms straight, shoulders down. It works... took it to the course today after studying it for 6 weeks and shot a 94. I'm play at a par 70 course and off 28 , so that's 4 under. which was great for me. LIke I say though, irons were good, no fat / thin shots and shorter irons were even better. Driver is diifficult at times though,but did hit 1 210 yards....My own personal feeling with it though is that keeping the right elbow tucked in is key.
Hi and hello from sunny Britain, Love your videos, I have started using the Easiest Swing method as developed by Brian Sparkes sadly now passed away. He developed his swing for golfers of a mature age and those with lower back problems, it is so easy it has no impact on your body and only one movement to learn called le dance. If you decide to try it go for Brian Sparkes videos, since his death his brother has taken up the mantle for continuing the swing method he is OK but Brian is so laid back. Let me know if you decide to try it. God bless America.
Wow... this is nuts, but my step dad's name was Terry LawS. Unreal coincidence. Many thanks for the support, and I do have my eye on the Easiest Swing. I've watched Brian for years, may he rest, and I love the concept. Julian Mellor does a great job.
Great efforts with the S&T swing. About the grips, wrists, elbows, arms, hips, legs, etc... I think sometime you over-think. Don't split the hair. Some of these details are just subsequent to other moves. Don't get into analysis paralysis.
I’ve been stacking and tilting for over three years. My key morphed into the left shoulder down pushing the right hip back. Works for me. Also, I can hit driver about as long as my…shadow. But with s&t at this point I can almost tell you which blade of grass it’s landing on. Stick with Seguto, Cheney, Taylor, and Jess Frank. Let’s see a collab with Seguto, he’s fairly close to you (I think)! Keep it up! Great job!
Thanks, Les, and that's fantastic to hear. I've been tagging those guys in every video, but so far, only Jess Frank has commented. I'm not sure a collab is in the cards, but they've all helped me through their content.
@@GolfTestDummy oh well, maybe at some point. You really do good work and I’m happy to click every time. If you find yourself in the Austin, Texas area, give me a shout!
I’ve found if you are seeking consistency and more length, you have to keep making tweaks to your swing or you get the same rubbish week in week out! I have recently found (second time round) Jim Venitos’ swing to be most helpful, and there are some similarities to SNT. Imagining my shoulder/arm triangle doing an Iron Byron swivel, in combination with trying to hit the ball hard rather than trying to steer it, is currently working well for me. However this is somewhat at odds with JVs focus on stillness! We’re all a bit different, so unless you’re prepared to follow a system to the T and practice it with massive amounts of time and dedication, a hybrid system is probably what most of us will end up with. Searching for the holy grail of golf is a bit like searching for gold at the end of a rainbow (for most average golfers), but it can be a fun process. This is why I enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work Chad! 👏👍⛳️
Couldn't agree more. If you think about these swing models and methods, they were most likely conceived and cultivated by someone who was struggling, and found their "a-ha" moment, and then grew it from there. Each has their basic fundamentals, that may or may not be shared with others, but there are so many methods. Nothing works for everyone.
This week was needed to reflect and gather the thoughts that make this swing work for you. Take the time to make it well done and crispy and then take it to the course with confidence. Looking forward to good striking 😊
That’s why I like Tom Saguto ☝🏻 … although based on Stack & Tilt, it’s not exaggerated (the five keys) which looks stiff and awkward. Tom (like Jim Venetos) simplifies to to just a couple swing thoughts, yet still emphasizes “fundamentals” (flat left wrist, stable lower body, head still, etc) These are NOT emphasized in S&T, but still necessary for good golf shots and consistency. Everyone has a different flaw in their golf swing. One size doesn’t for all. Good stuff 👍🏻 … keep it up Also, look at some of the quirks/unique things tour players do in their swings: Steve Stricker (less hinge), Rahm & Finau (shorter backswing), Wolff (exaggerated loop in backswing), Furyk, John Daly, DeChambeau, Bubba, Trevino … almost everyone has something unique to them. Hey, that’s an idea for a series of videos 💡
You’re 100% right. So many of these videos have the caption: ‘The Secret’ or ‘So Easy’, etc… Really? So if they had ‘the secret’ to Golf, why did it take them 100 videos on UA-cam to finally reveal it ? 😂
I’m on the S&T path too and I’ll have days where I think I have it figured out hitting long high draws, then next week big hooks or pushes. I think like you in my head I try to push for distance and then regress. Now I just think of straight arms, centered head, and start with pushing that right hip behind me. K.I.S.S
When it doesn’t work, I’d be interested where your left arm elbow is pointing. My left arm tends to roll and my elbow stops pointing down. Let me know if you notice this
Hi Chad. Never heard lift and chop coming out of Tom’s mouth. But in Tom’s latest video he is saying to keep the swing narrow. He definitely does not want his students to over lift their club and refers often to Ben Hogan in his teaching his swing. I agree that shifting my weight to the lead side at around 60 percent for my backswing works great for me as well, but personally I manage this as Ben Hogan teaches with sitting on a stool feeling a heavy buttocks to allow my knees to be springy laterally both back and forth as I swing my club. Looking forward to seeing you trying your Stack & Tilt on the golf course. Cheers 🥂👍😊
my swing is so screwed up right now between binging Marcus Edblad and Tom Segudo vids! They're total opposites and I can't feel comfortable with either!
That's good. It's good to be confused if you're searching with deliberation.. I have been trying many variations and repeatedly rebuild my swing from the ground up. There are so many paths, many of which are dead ends but mostly now it's just finding stability and letting the body do this job for me. I don't think there is one right way but some sure do feel good so I try to incorporate it. It's funny how some of the dead ends have made it back into the swing after I found my center and learned how to swing around it.
Unfortunately what ever bad habit you developed learning the game of golf will always seem to try and creep back in. Also I believe most people don’t keep improving for long because they shy away when the hiccup shows up. I feel you just keep trying to do what it is your trying to do. Just keep in mind when your struggling that golf demon from the past is creeping back in. Try to refocus on the couple keys that gave you success in the beginning
Also to comment on the hip turn etc I think Monte says it best elite players push the right hip back on the back swing and push the left hip back on the through swing and high handicappers do the opposite
ua-cam.com/video/7upZcEBnotQ/v-deo.html This guy has really opened my eyes about the weight on the front foot versus the rear foot and variations of that with irons vs driver. He is not a traditional stack and tilt guy but some of this he is doing with a hip bump may be worth your time. I know it has me.
@@GolfTestDummy His hip bump and takeaway with the relaxed trail arm has definitely helped me. My pull hook driver is a laser beam right now (till I mess with it with some other youtube fix).
At address - Both elbows tucked in (facing the sky). On the Backswing. Shoulder down towards ball. One swing thought - Elbows in to win. Keep it simple! Boom😀
I have to give you credit for trying all of these systems and not getting totally screwed up. I really enjoy your videos. There is something so blue collar about them that I relate to
I'm grateful for the support, Robert! I'm a blue collar guy, so I guess it shows.
So I’m thinking of changing to the S&T and I’ve changed some but the help you gave me with the knee is gonna help me bcz I’ve been keeping too much weight on my lead foot.
Grip to the belt line and around works for me !!!!!!!
It's a pretty simple concept that seems to make things much more consistently.
This is a great video. You cover almost all of the mistakes I have made learning this amazing system. Stack and Tilt is the best.
I’ve by following Tom Saguto’s UA-cam videos for a while and find them both entertaining and informative but just your 2 simple swing thoughts in this video, pointing your lead knee in toward the ball rather than away and keeping hands in-line to the belt area were the missing feels I needed to bring everything together producing that kfc contact and confidence I’ve been searching for using this swing method. Enjoy your channel…thanks for all you do.
That's fantastic, Bob, and I'm so glad it helps. Keep grinding it out.
Good work. I saw Tom’s latest video that has you relax your left arm so you have no tension in your shoulders. I like to focus on keeping my head slightly behind the ball it seems to help get the launch the ball a little higher
I got that belt-line-swing feeling by using the Lagshot, and that really does increase the distance. Before that, all the other methods might help me with the consistency but never with the distance, so I believe that's one way to fully release the power.
I'm thinking the distance will come over time, as long as I'm doing it right.
I love Lag Shot
This is the most valuable teaching video I have seen in recent months. You explained a lot of things that I seemed to feel right before, but I was not sure about.
I am months into S&T. This video helps me understand my S&T instruction in a more relatable way. I gotta watch this a couple more times.
Thanks, David, and so glad to hear it. On course in next week's video!
Thank you for your videos they have been great. I have made all the same mistakes for the same reason. Hands high, too much weight forward, loss of power than in search of power. I have learned a lot thank you for sharing.
Chad, thanks very much for telling it like it is. I totally agree that there is WAY too much "this is so simple" and "if A, then B" BS in golf instruction. That kind of oversimplification is the opposite of helpful. Thanks for the excellent video and the outstanding advice. God bless and keep up the good work!
Thanks a ton.
Well, you hit on three major things I've been doing wrong: too much weight on my lead foot, my lead knee movement, and swinging too hard. Been struggling with my driver until yesterday, without thinking, I took an "easy" swing and the ball went dead straight. At age 70, I'll take that any time over power. Will try that today on the course. I keep coming back to you because you're not a "professional" instructor. I've used them before and they put far too many thoughts in my mind that I can never remember or achieve. Keep up the good work.
Many thanks, jt. That's exactly what I hope for. A less complicated, more relatable approach.
Good tip about the front knee. Also agree with how it looks doesn't matter if it works. I think a lot of people want to look like Mike Bennett but their body just isn't up to it. I know mine isn't.
When I tried the S&T my instructor got me to put the ball in middle of my stance even for a 4 iron and on takeaway feel like my lead knee was going towards the target initially. After impact he got me to complete the swing with my trail shoulder ending up over my front foot.
To practice getting through the shot he got me to put my feet together, hit through the ball and step through like Gary Player does sometimes. I hit the ball really well and consistent and because I was aiming for a good finish position (shoulder over foot) I hit the ball very straight.
I would go to the range and only really needed about 4 shots to know that it was all working. The other balls were just for exercise!!! 😆
Don't know why I went away from it but I'm now going back to that method again. It may or may not have been pure S&T but it gave me amazing results.
Nailed this comment. 👌 Great tips from your instructor, that likely addressed your personal inclinations. Also, making it your own is a huge key, and you're spot on there. It's OK to tweak it to your own taste.
Thanks, I appreciate you referencing other instructors, a real plus. I added in some Saguto. Your comments today on knee position, and hands low was right on. The monster562 comment on right shoulder follow through a great tip. I got I to Saguto's simple chipping and pitching and that ended up the biggest improvement overall.
You can take that chipping from Tom, and just make it bigger, for a great swing foundation.
As long as don't finish with the one you started with and the second one at the end because those perfect imperfections imperfectly impact on your chopper. All makes 100% sense...thanks for your great video's
Power in the golf swing really does come from the arc size of the looping motion of the clubhead and lead arm that I've described to you earlier. You are creating a short very inside out and flattish intact loop when you tighten up your backswing turn like that. So it works for a good strike and power relative to the size of the swing but there's nowhere left to go with your arc beyond that so that will be the limit of your power without that technique breaking down. Also since the driver is a longer shaft and requires more flatness you will require even more technique breakdown to try and get any power with it. Whatever way that you swing, the only way to create significantly more power is to have a means of increasing the arc AND simultaneoulsly looping the club which means that your method has to allow you the room to do that without breaking down. Breaking down means that you are having to give up some of the potential in your leverage system (linkage) or unduly slowing certain things down in order to strike the ball squarely. This is what was happening in your driver video. Because there was nowhere to go to create a bigger arc and loop, you started letting your arms swing further out of synch with the looping mechanism thus losing leverage potential and then you were forced to try and power the club around your body with leg and turn speed.
If you look at Saguto's latest video entitled "My Amateur Golf Was OVER Once I Did This (Big Golf Swing Discovery)", he talks about the high trail elbow on the way back and keeping the clubhead OUTSIDE the hands. These 2 things together are guaranteeing a loop of power that allow the clubhead to approach the ball squarely with speed. The idea of the high trail elbow is more of an iron thing (due to steeper plane and descending strike) and is not consistently true throughout the bag. If you look at his driver swing, the trail elbow stays barely higher than the lead in the early backswing BUT there is still a big loop created by the fact the clubhead stays high and wide relative his hand path. This is the secret, period. If you look at his driver takeaway (recently, but any of them) you'll see that the clubhead works straight back from the ball for a distance and comes up quickly as his hands stay low. In other words the clubhead is working high and wide compared to the motion of his hands which is creating a loop and then he has a classic S&T hip and leg drive which which allows the arms to stay low while the clubhead drops below the plene (working more in to out) completing the loop. If you can learn to create the biggest arc and loop relative to the constraints of the system that you are using, you will maximize the power available within that system and that is the only way to do it without becoming significantly more flexible or strong which are less efficient ways to increase power but still useful to "top if up" so to speak. Cheers.
I agree. You run out of room and can't get the arms to go any further, unless you let everything break down. But in SNT, I believe they teach that getting a longer swing is a matter of turning the hips and shoulders further, to allow the club to travel further, without breaking down. So, I'll have to get deeper rotation with SNT to see gains, but I have to work my way there over times, instead of trying to leap frog and time jump.
@@GolfTestDummy Well, I'm really talking about how the club is moving relative to your turn. If you examine Saguto's swing in detail compared to your own the clubhead is travelling MUCH straigher back from the ball, higher and more in front of him, all of which are creating more arc, even though he is keeping his hands low . You cannot really turn enough to create much more arc by turning much more and will have to break down by doing that, The thing in S&T is to have a tight turning motion back and through while still have a wide enough arc to create power and allow for some amount of loop. However your body motion is not bad, although in the downswing your leg action is not really tight enough to be called proper S&T, but your clubhead arc is narrow and low instead of high and wide. This also is because of the way that you are taking the club back. In order to have effective looping, you clubhead has to move high and wide relative to your hand path. The only sources or arc power in the golf swing are width and height and then these are both collapsed in the downsing to create looping and consequentially clubhead speed.
In S&T, you need enough room in the backswing arc of the clubhead (and arms of course) to be able to have the legs move more directly targetward with the hips under your trunk. However, your takeaway is forcing you move a little more at the ball in order to create some leverage. So everything that I'm indicating is about the backswing motion of the arms and clubhead not allowing enough arc dimensionality in conjunction with the fundamentals of the system. Cheers
I agree GTD. The hips initiate the backswing for me. Then focusing turning my lead hip up on the downswing has given me the best ball striking on my S&T journey. I appreciate your transparency on the mental shortcuts we take in out attempt to accelerate the process. Right now I'm focused on ball striking and feel that once I have that down, the distance I'm looking for will follow.
Exactly. Let the swing get "built in" and become habit, then naturally, over time, it can grow and distance will come.
Good video. A couple things that helped me with regards to your 2 problems. First, too much weight forward: I grip club with lead hand, get alignment and stance, but then come in with trail hand from crotch line. So thru my right hip and place on club. This gives you perfect tilt and weight distribution for each club. Nothing manufactured. Second, with regards to left knee buckling in: huge problem for me over the years. My solution is I press the ball of the lead foot down into the ground to start takeaway. That automatically gives you the knee going out towards the ball. That one pressure move is magic. The whole backswing just happens naturally for me. I mean everything. It gives you perfect shoulder tilts for each club. It gives you hands in, perfectly. Everyone is different, but that's what worked for me. And, of course, none of it is my own! Lol.
Jeff, that's great info! For me, lead knee bends and points on the target side of the ball as a feel, then stay over that spot and extend the lead leg. Works well.
Exactly. That knee will naturally roll in a bit, but it's late and just a little bit. Nothing we need to think about. Mine used to just buckle immediately!
Great video Chad. I signed up for Tom's program. I went through the exact same discovery as you while going for more power. As late as yesterday I went back to the low hands and half swing feel. Amazing strikes...KFC crispy strikes, lol. This swing is simple but old habits are hard to break. I see this swing as the solution for me over the long haul. Have gained distance from pure strikes in the sweet spot. Keep it up! Thanks for sharing.
I'm so glad to be hearing from people like you, with many of the same things to say. It's helpful.
Great video. What are your thoughts on S&T for senior golfers in terms of strain on the body and joints?
I understand completely about trying to extend the swing for more distance and that is why I have recently struggled with stack and tilt. Feels like when you lengthen the backswing for more power the hands and wrists creep back in. I have since went back to a more fundamental swing but have taken some elements of stack and tilt to help with contact such as hands in but if I flare my feet I fight swaying off the ball so I’ve had to narrow my stance and straighten my feet.
It's a killer. That search for more power causes so many problems.
Chad, we’ve all been there, screwing up our drills, swing and strike because we start chasing distance. It’s great that you recognized it and got back to the slow and steady drills. Our bodies take a long time to change things because it wants to do want o5 knows. Repetition the right way and plenty of them slow and steady is the key to change. As your body gets familiar with the moves you gradually begin to go faster, but it takes time, so don’t rush. Cheers.
Yep, and it's probably never going to go away. We need to do the same drills to stay calibrated.
I'm working on Kirk Junge's single swing, just added the hip turn you are doing for Stack and Tilt, helped me pull of some great shots at the course today.
💪 love to hear it!
Awesome Awesome video!! I can tell you love this. I can't wait to watch your outdoor video! I believe you found something good for yourself in this swing.
Much appreciated! Just filmed the round yesterday, and it will be up on Sunday.
One thing I do when over swinging with stack and tilt, is I roll my left forearm a little. Your left arm elbow should face down at the ground or at the ball
I was going to give up on it but I am going to stick with it and feel the knee going out and hands low to see what would happen
that was exactly my problem of getting to big of back swing, when my swing thought was half back swing great strikes, in truth my half back swing was way bigger, feel vs real
Absolute truth. 💯
I finally broke down and signed up golf lessons, I was primarily trying to make sure I had been building the correct sign for me. I was a little surprised at what he told me, I had what he described as an old school Nick Faldo swing. He felt I needed more modern swing to get more power, much like what George Gankus teaches. Squat, rotate and thrust up to a follow through. I’m old guy in my 60’s so I was really surprised, guess I see if it works. Thanks for the videos.
Man. JD, good luck, my friend. I know Gankas teaches some older guys, but from what I've seen, it's got less to do with age and more to do with mobility. I'm only 45, but there's a lot of mileage on my body from hard labor laying brick and stone for years.
I've been enjoying your videos for some time. Keep it up, I'm using this to help me transition my swing. I use a single length iron setup and getting this right should help simplify my iron game. I've decided to ignore driver for the time being. A good foundation with the irons is my goal first. Driver will come later.
I wanted to comment on the 55% on the front foot not being that much different than neutral. true, but for most of us we tend to load the back leg closer to 65 or 70%. More if you're a former baseball Player and have habits from that sport. 🙂 Unloading the back leg helps take the sway out of your body transition from back to front keeping that low point contact consistent. I just wanted to clarify the shift to 55% front foot is way more than just a 5% change from neutral. For some its closer to 20-25%. This may make it feel weak, as the perception of swaying back then forward adds power.
That's a great point, and most of the time, instruction has to be approached in the way you describe. To get that 5 percent, for many, it has to feel like 100.
Another great episode. I'd like to see your opinion and examples of what happens with setting the club face with a driver. Open club face versus a closed club face. Bounce versus leading edge with irons. Thanks Takecare
I'm probably the WORST one to do that, because honestly, I think I can hit it square with any of those. I've been back and forth between open and closed.
OK, fair enough.I just happen to have been someone who was pushed toward having a closed clubface.All due to my initial learning of golf having a terrible slice. Now I've been plegged with a terrible snap hook or excessive draw. I believe this all goes back to having too closed of a club face.With a in to out path.
I was watching Patrick Harrington from close up at the PGA and all his practice swings with the driver would just graze the ground before the golf ball during his practice swings. That got me thinking by looking at the bottom of most of our drivers. Is there somewhat of a purpose or a bounce that's actually implemented into our drivers?😂😂 God knows I love overthinking this game. It's fastic. It's therapy for the mind for sure.
That makes sense, because it's the number 1 recommendation to fix a slice, to close the club face. But really, that can make it worse or introduce other issues.
HI mate. you don't really need to over compicate stack / tilt with irons. Jess frank says it perfectly for me. Weight forward, arms straight, shoulders down. It works... took it to the course today after studying it for 6 weeks and shot a 94. I'm play at a par 70 course and off 28 , so that's 4 under. which was great for me. LIke I say though, irons were good, no fat / thin shots and shorter irons were even better. Driver is diifficult at times though,but did hit 1 210 yards....My own personal feeling with it though is that keeping the right elbow tucked in is key.
Hi and hello from sunny Britain,
Love your videos, I have started using the Easiest Swing method as developed by Brian Sparkes sadly now passed away.
He developed his swing for golfers of a mature age and those with lower back problems, it is so easy it has no impact on your body and only one movement to learn called le dance.
If you decide to try it go for Brian Sparkes videos, since his death his brother has taken up the mantle for continuing the swing method he is OK but Brian is so laid back.
Let me know if you decide to try it.
God bless America.
Wow... this is nuts, but my step dad's name was Terry LawS. Unreal coincidence. Many thanks for the support, and I do have my eye on the Easiest Swing. I've watched Brian for years, may he rest, and I love the concept. Julian Mellor does a great job.
Wow. This is great insight and very relatable 👍
Thanks, Jack!
Great efforts with the S&T swing. About the grips, wrists, elbows, arms, hips, legs, etc... I think sometime you over-think. Don't split the hair. Some of these details are just subsequent to other moves. Don't get into analysis paralysis.
That's been my stock and trade for years, haha. But yes, I agree, too much brain and not enough athletic reaction.
Really enjoying your journey, so many similarities with my own.
Please, just keep doing what you're doing.
Many thanks, Simon!
You make some good observations, thanks.
Much appreciated, Barry!
Great info. Can’t wait to try. I think I’m going to high instead of around. Keep up the great work sir. 👍
Thanks, KB! Yeah, I think that's probably a pretty common issue.
I’ve been stacking and tilting for over three years. My key morphed into the left shoulder down pushing the right hip back. Works for me. Also, I can hit driver about as long as my…shadow. But with s&t at this point I can almost tell you which blade of grass it’s landing on. Stick with Seguto, Cheney, Taylor, and Jess Frank. Let’s see a collab with Seguto, he’s fairly close to you (I think)!
Keep it up! Great job!
Thanks, Les, and that's fantastic to hear. I've been tagging those guys in every video, but so far, only Jess Frank has commented. I'm not sure a collab is in the cards, but they've all helped me through their content.
@@GolfTestDummy oh well, maybe at some point. You really do good work and I’m happy to click every time. If you find yourself in the Austin, Texas area, give me a shout!
Much appreciated, Les. I've all over Texas in the past, so I'm sure I've driven past you a few times, haha.
I’ve found if you are seeking consistency and more length, you have to keep making tweaks to your swing or you get the same rubbish week in week out!
I have recently found (second time round) Jim Venitos’ swing to be most helpful, and there are some similarities to SNT.
Imagining my shoulder/arm triangle doing an Iron Byron swivel, in combination with trying to hit the ball hard rather than trying to steer it, is currently working well for me. However this is somewhat at odds with JVs focus on stillness!
We’re all a bit different, so unless you’re prepared to follow a system to the T and practice it with massive amounts of time and dedication, a hybrid system is probably what most of us will end up with.
Searching for the holy grail of golf is a bit like searching for gold at the end of a rainbow (for most average golfers), but it can be a fun process.
This is why I enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work Chad! 👏👍⛳️
Couldn't agree more. If you think about these swing models and methods, they were most likely conceived and cultivated by someone who was struggling, and found their "a-ha" moment, and then grew it from there. Each has their basic fundamentals, that may or may not be shared with others, but there are so many methods. Nothing works for everyone.
This week was needed to reflect and gather the thoughts that make this swing work for you. Take the time to make it well done and crispy and then take it to the course with confidence. Looking forward to good striking 😊
I agree, Glenn! I just filmed on course yesterday. Video will come out this week!
Hi，Chad， Keeping knees outwards feel more stable and powerful.
I'll test that out next time!
That’s why I like Tom Saguto ☝🏻
… although based on Stack & Tilt, it’s not exaggerated (the five keys) which looks stiff and awkward. Tom (like Jim Venetos) simplifies to to just a couple swing thoughts, yet still emphasizes “fundamentals” (flat left wrist, stable lower body, head still, etc)
These are NOT emphasized in S&T, but still necessary for good golf shots and consistency.
Everyone has a different flaw in their golf swing. One size doesn’t for all.
Good stuff 👍🏻
… keep it up
Also, look at some of the quirks/unique things tour players do in their swings:
Steve Stricker (less hinge), Rahm & Finau (shorter backswing), Wolff (exaggerated loop in backswing), Furyk, John Daly, DeChambeau, Bubba, Trevino … almost everyone has something unique to them. Hey, that’s an idea for a series of videos 💡
Haha, that's funny, because I actually made a video a while back "swing like Stricker".
One thing I started doing was having my arms and hands to close to my legs at setup, which was causing issues.
Yeah, I have that tendency also.
Your swing looks great now! Good work!
I'll definitely take that! Thanks!
Another great video, sir.
💪 💪 💪 thanks!
You’re 100% right. So many of these videos have the caption: ‘The Secret’ or ‘So Easy’, etc…
Really? So if they had ‘the secret’ to Golf, why did it take them 100 videos on UA-cam to finally reveal it ? 😂
Haha, at the end of the day, us UA-camrs need viewers. 🤣
I’m on the S&T path too and I’ll have days where I think I have it figured out hitting long high draws, then next week big hooks or pushes. I think like you in my head I try to push for distance and then regress.
Now I just think of straight arms, centered head, and start with pushing that right hip behind me. K.I.S.S
It's so easy to get called toward the rocks by the sirens, haha. That distance is calling, and ruining our game.
When it doesn’t work, I’d be interested where your left arm elbow is pointing. My left arm tends to roll and my elbow stops pointing down. Let me know if you notice this
Excellent video 👍🏻
Have you seen Tom Seguto in Myrtle Beach? Fun guy, and S and T
Great video
Hi Chad. Never heard lift and chop coming out of Tom’s mouth. But in Tom’s latest video he is saying to keep the swing narrow. He definitely does not want his students to over lift their club and refers often to Ben Hogan in his teaching his swing.
I agree that shifting my weight to the lead side at around 60 percent for my backswing works great for me as well, but personally I manage this as Ben Hogan teaches with sitting on a stool feeling a heavy buttocks to allow my knees to be springy laterally both back and forth as I swing my club.
Looking forward to seeing you trying your Stack & Tilt on the golf course. Cheers 🥂👍😊
Yeah, the sit down move is a good one for feels.
Put the hands in the library
my swing is so screwed up right now between binging Marcus Edblad and Tom Segudo vids! They're total opposites and I can't feel comfortable with either!
Haha, man thats where I live. At the corner of Huh? and How the hell?
That's good. It's good to be confused if you're searching with deliberation.. I have been trying many variations and repeatedly rebuild my swing from the ground up. There are so many paths, many of which are dead ends but mostly now it's just finding stability and letting the body do this job for me. I don't think there is one right way but some sure do feel good so I try to incorporate it. It's funny how some of the dead ends have made it back into the swing after I found my center and learned how to swing around it.
I constantly work on "what it looks like" it is a swing killer for me. I'm not. Pro, I can't move like a pro. Lol
We all get caught in that trap from time to time.
Unfortunately what ever bad habit you developed learning the game of golf will always seem to try and creep back in. Also I believe most people don’t keep improving for long because they shy away when the hiccup shows up. I feel you just keep trying to do what it is your trying to do. Just keep in mind when your struggling that golf demon from the past is creeping back in. Try to refocus on the couple keys that gave you success in the beginning
Also to comment on the hip turn etc I think Monte says it best elite players push the right hip back on the back swing and push the left hip back on the through swing and high handicappers do the opposite
That's a great tip that Tiger Woods talks about also.
I always wondered what happened to Phil Collins I didn't know he loved golf 🤔
Haha, wish I was that talented and rich.
Sorry, I just watched. You know Tom
ua-cam.com/video/7upZcEBnotQ/v-deo.html This guy has really opened my eyes about the weight on the front foot versus the rear foot and variations of that with irons vs driver. He is not a traditional stack and tilt guy but some of this he is doing with a hip bump may be worth your time. I know it has me.
I apologize if this throws a whole other rabbit hole into the mix.
Haha, that's OK. I'm always looking at information, and I've seen his stuff before. He's got a great channel.
@@GolfTestDummy His hip bump and takeaway with the relaxed trail arm has definitely helped me. My pull hook driver is a laser beam right now (till I mess with it with some other youtube fix).
Let's freaking go 🏌️
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At address - Both elbows tucked in (facing the sky). On the Backswing. Shoulder down towards ball. One swing thought - Elbows in to win. Keep it simple! Boom😀
Great video