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STACK AND TILT Review - Week 4 DRIVER - Golf Test Dummy
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
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I’ve watched all the best UA-cam teachers , all of them , Danny Maude, Rick Shields, Peter Cowen, I’ve seen Foley, Malaska, Milo, Be Better golf, Rotary Golf Swing , Marcus Bell, Andy and Piers, Peter Finch, Grant Hoovart , all of them and no tips has ever worked so fast and so effective than S&T System. It’s logic! Less variables to think and more constant results in a short time! Do it right and it will work better than any other system.
I'm a stack and tilt convert. You need to change grip and get away from 10 finger. Also Chad you need to get flatter and hands more inside. Swing club around you. Once you master the power is amazing and effortless. I hit my 8 iron 160 and I'm 58 yrs old. I've gained 20 yds with every club.
After this week's vid, I worked on that very thing, minus the grip change. Great results. I can't really change my grip though. Bad wrist and hand pains.
Can't wait to get out side on my sim once weather is better and try what you said about the driver set up, my irons are the best they have ever been but I'm getting stuck with the driver and feels I have the yips with it and it's a massive hook with the hybrids as well
Excellent video. Very enlightening.
Many thanks!
Sometimes you have to mix up swing techniques to make up a consistent game.
One thing I remember is with the drive is actually a hip bump forward not looking at it as weight in the lead foot The hip forward adds weight to the front leg.
You are not doing anything wrong, it’s a body generated swing. As you get older this is what kills speed. As you get older you migrate to a more arms generated swing. Like playing with a table tennis racket. That hitting a table tennis ball increases your speed again.
I'm getting there, just need to keep training the core components. It'll come.
Laughed when I saw your hey dude looking shoes. Last week got out of car and realized I left my golf shoes at home. With my hey dude, no ty shoelaces on, I played with them. Actually more stability swinging because I didn’t want to slip. My swing was under control and I seemed to hit the ball more solid than usual. Oh yea, my feet didn’t hurt after the round😂!
Haha, I've had 2 pairs and keep wearing out the left front of my right shoe. I'll have to get more.
Enjoying this stack and tilt series and yes the long clubs are what make or break this system. Tom saguto is a talented golfer and has the skill set to make this his own,If he went back to a more traditional swing he’d be good at that to I suspect.
Any roads you will give this a fair appraisal as you always do and will probably still have more questions than answers 😂
May I suggest in the future that you could give JHs Davinchi code swing a bash? I tried but got nowhere but would be interesting to see what you think. Take care.
Thanks, Laurence. Yeah, Tom is one of those that would thrive in just about any system. I haven't done a formal review of DaVinci or CL, but maybe in the future.
I struggled with the driver too for a while, supposedly SnT was initially designed for hitting driver.
It was those subtle elements that made the difference, especially tucking the hips as that leveled out the swing. From vids I was hitting too down with that weight forward.
Enjoying the series as I’m on the same journey.
Thanks, Brent. Yeah, I feel like I've made some progress since I filmed this video, so time will tell.
Encouraging, looking forward to on course results.
Thanks, Jari!
You and I struggle with the same thing (trying to make the change from a conventional swing to S&T): the lead knee still wants to work inward rather than downward/outward. Tough habit/feel to break!
That it is! Try presetting it with knee flex toward the target a bit.
I have followed you since the days of Jim Venetos and have appreciated the quality of your videos. I have also followed Tom Saguto for a good few years, but much like you l chop and change far too much. I am no expert with any particular method but l have noticed a few little things in this video. Tom addresses the ball exactly the same for all clubs with a reverse capital K, with his weight very much on the forward side, he then takes the club away with straight arms and a short back swing with no bending of the left arm, this keeps the swing radius constant. Although he talks about pointing the left shoulder down towards the ball in the take away this just happens due to the set up and having zero weight shift, in other words the tilt just happens, if you try and tilt you will change the spine angle and for someone of my age that hurts. The shoulders tilt less for the driver due to the club length and the increase in stance width. Thanks again for yor videos and enthusiasm. Regards Al.
That's a good observation, and I really appreciate the support. Thank you.
Thanks, one last thought, Tom always throws the club down the target line with both arms straight which means that his finish position is either very short or up and over his left shoulder with the longer clubs, but never flat as in a conventional swing that has weight shift. Thanks again.
Thanks Chad
You're welcome. More to come.
I’ve been doing S n T method for about 9 months now and driver is still a bit of an issue. The relationship between the ball and lead armpit is more important than the feet stance IMO.
When the driver is working for me this is what I usually feel:
-Trail elbow is close against and on the frontside of my torso.
-both arms flexed “straight” with the driver hovering off the floor. This helps me initiate the turn with my torso and shoulders. Trail elbow feels like it bends later in the backswing(above lead arm parallel).
-The only thing I think about on the downswing is “pumping” my lead knee. The harder/faster I straighten the lead knee, the better my ball striking. Try it and see if you notice any improvement.
I've found very similar, Keenan. Turn back, the lead knee bends, then you just straighten it and boom.
@@GolfTestDummy with driver, I feel my lead knee bends down towards the ball instead of towards the target. Are you feeling the same thing? It helps me feel more centered and less likely to hit it high on the face or leave a dummy mark. 😆
Yep, that's pretty accurate for me also.
I think if you spent a few weeks with Porzak in San Diego you’d dial in everything and be an incredible golfer . Would be fun to see you react to his swing methodology
I'm not sure anybody on the planet could fix me as broken as I am, haha.
I hope you don't mind that I don't always watch most of your videos closely. But I want to get into your video series on the single plane swing. That is a swing that I naturally gravitate towards.
Absolutely. I hope they stay up for years to come so that people can do just that.
I appreciate you showing S&T in a favorable light, it is a great system though vastly misunderstood. Take a look at your video, take notice of your trail foot. In each back swing, your trail foot is actually rolling out, weight is not only going back, but its going to the outside of your right heel. I believe this is the biggest problem with S&T, the longer the club the more prone we are to having weight going back even though we feel like it is staying forward. For those who are having issues with the longer clubs, I suggest watching Rob Cheney, particularly the video called "The Wrench". @robcheneygolf
Again, thanks for your series, its a great intro to a great system
Thanks, Tom! Yeah, I had a few issues pop up, and the next video I have scheduled addresses them. Getting back to basics.
Rob Cheney is the best👍👍
Having done both, what do you feel are the similarities/differences between Stack and Tilt compared to Right Sided Golf Swing? Which do you feel was easier to learn and put into play? Thanks and great content as always!
Thanks, Jon! There may come a time when I revisit some if the swing reviews of the past, but RSS was a great swing model. There are a lot of similarities, but I'd say the most evident difference is that SNT is much more lower body driven for me.
Great series! Can you please cover more about setup? I’m new to stack and tilt and I’m really struggling with thinning and topping shots. Very inconsistent.
I've got a video coming out Sunday where I sort of go back to basics, in prep for an on course test. Also, the videos prior to this in the series cover some of that as well.
@@GolfTestDummy I appreciate that, thanks. I’m going to try what you said about keeping a relationship with my chest to the ball. I’m a second year player and sometimes I hit my irons flush but I feel like one slight change in setup and I top or thin it.
Weight forward and stay there with a stable head.
Please hit a few for us by simply taking the club back, and you can stay weight left or go right to left, and just pull the butt with both hands at the ball and on down the target line. Let the club release but don't flip or roll just keep pulling that butt.
I'd love to see you try the Mike Austin swing next!
Who knows where I'll end up? I try not to plan too far ahead.
Seems like Shawn Clements swing is very similar to s&t. Particularly the legs
Is your ball flight (height wise) the same as your " old swing"? I have a pretty low ball flight and short of new irons, I'm trying to change it.
I have always had a pretty high ball flight. You can play the ball more forward with this swing.
A subject not too many speak of.🤔👍
I hope that's a good thing, haha.
Not sure if you watch them.. but also check out Rob Cheney and Nick Taylor
Yep, great content from those 2.
The hips should be slightly more forward than with the irons. Wider stance and ball forward. Those are the adjustments for the driver is Stack and Tilt.
I've got more to do, that's for sure.
@@GolfTestDummy Chad you are doing a great job. I have been working with Jess Frank on stack and tilt. Check out his videos if have not already.
You're casting the club at the top. Also, have tried interlock grip or over lap? That 10 finger grip makes the hands loose on the club.
I was an overlap for years, pretty much since I started golf. Wrist and hand pains lead me to the 10 finger grip, and ultimately are the only thing that has helped alleviate some of that, so I'm stuck with it.
Same@@GolfTestDummy
hey! have you tried the L to L method swing yet? Please review it and maybe make it a series?
No formally, no. I'm a bit familiar, but I'd need to study it a bit more. Maybe in the future.
@@GolfTestDummy super excited to see your take on it. Thank you.
The link between the arms and body are out to lunch. You will struggle forever to time that. It perfectly explains your long irons and driver.
Think I made some progress this week after recording this one. Time will tell.
Out of all the swing techniques you’ve studied, which one would you say you were most comfortable with after a few days of not hitting a golf club?
Wow. Good question. Single Plane. I'd never even thought about it, but just started trying it on course one day, and bam. It wasn't perfect, but pretty close to plug and play.
@@GolfTestDummy Thanks! I’ll check it out.
I hit my Irons pure and compress the ball well, however I cannot hit my driver or 3 wood, way too steep but can’t seem to fix it, this is literally opposite of Shawn Clements swing
Haha, yeah, I was thinking the same. Free flying arms with Shawn, and keep the arms pinned to your ribs at all times with SNT.
Club face my man ! Take a look or consider an adjustment of your club face at setup. That might just might get your balls more down the middle of the fairway! Maybe ? LOL!
Hey great work on stack and tilt.
You're having a bit of trouble with your driver.
You appear to be
1. Over swinging
2. Your weight is shifting off your front side. ( Just review your video) 😂 I could see it and I'm no expert.
Keep up the good work.
Your frustration to a certain degree is palpable but you're hanging in there. The driver swings during the play test had more trail hip slinging the club forward and helped with the overall striking to a degree. The overall loop of your swing is kind of the inverse of what creates power and particularly with the driver and longer clubs. The club is going very wide around and behind you and then you leverl it more steeply in the downswing so you are effectively cutting off a lot of your arc due to a kind of redirection. If the club moved wider in front of and up and around you, the steeper downswing path of the club could be effectively levered to take full advantage of arc size and trail arm release.
It's by widening the arc and then collapsing it on a relatively similar plane that full advantage of leverage is achieved. Since your downswing plane is steep virtually all of the time your backswing plane should feel wider in front of you and higher in order to take full advantage of leverage on the way down especially since leveraging on a flatter plane from more behind you (which is very possible) will not really work for you because of TWE challenges. You essentially are moving the trail arm on a wide flat arc behind and then leveraging it on a wide vertical arc coming down which is essentially a disconnect.and is why you can't get much trail arm tuck and throw motion. Even though there's nothing wrong with each of these trail arm moves individually, but they don't work together very well. Cheers.
Yep, a lot of my old habits showed up in this week. After recording this, I put in more work, and got consistency and power to a much better place.
Try slowing the swing down as I nave found the slower the better
Thanks, I'll try that!
Have you checked out Danny Maude?
Yep. Seen many of his videos and mentioned him a few times in some previous videos.
Looks like you need to keep your weight over your left knee for 'stake and tilt'
Haha, stake and tilt is good. 👍🏻
@@GolfTestDummy Nick Taylor Golf is the bees knees.
Seems like you are over swinging the driver. It's coming past your head. Over the line I think ? Your iron swing is shorter. Longer swing can be where inconsistency comes from?
Tour average doesn't apply at all to amateurs. Your swing is too steep at the top and right side bend could definitely be better. Looks like you're overcomplicating things. S & T is very body friendly and very consistent
Stack N Tilt is a young man's game. The lean-back finish of the swing is not back-friendly. Having said that, I appreciate the different swing videos. 👍
Thanks a bunch. I can't do TOO much of the spine stuff, or else I get pain. So I have to make this swing my own a bit.
@@GolfTestDummy I think you were on to something with that 1 plane swing. Just curious, what swing have you tested that resulted in less pain after a round? Thanks!
This one honestly hasn't been bad. Single Plane was pretty painless.