Well then either deal with with the similarities and watch it QUIETLY or go complain about it somewhere else (I suggest one of those "Star Trek Discovery and/or Picard UA-cam channels that spend almost 24/7 of ALL of their free time muttering about" sites.")
His portrayal of Vikings in such positive light and after saying men were allowed to have mistresses (plural) but women weren’t and they could be killed by their husbands at the spot for being caught with another man. The narrator added, Viking women owned their husbands and Viking women had more rights than the rest of European women. The fuck?!
They (and Sumerians and Egyptians) were surprisingly advanced and impressive civilizations. We’d be nowhere if not for the technological advances and discoveries of these civilizations. They gave us things like mathematics, written language, calendars, the wheel, and even currency.
I really hate that cultures had an idea that it was only women who should be forbidden from having sex before marriage. Men should be too. I believe that sex should not happen before marriage, but it goes for both people, not just the girl.
Mistake 1 was attempting to describe the entirety of "Mesopotamian marriage culture" in a single 10 minute video. Mesopotamia was enormous and incredibly diverse. These customs weren't necessarily true across the board. Mistake 2 was listening to anything Herodotus said about non-Greeks. As a classicist, his accuracy was dubious at best.
Especially when it comes to their views on sex. Prostitution was normal and in some cases considered holy, due to the devotees of the sex &war goddess Inana
Mesopotamian man: I can't stop thinking about her. Her smile fills me with such joy. I want to make my wife happy. Mesopotamian doctor: This man is obviously sick and must be treated immediately!
"a quaint, classy church in Montreal" made me laugh cuz I went to two Montreal weddings...and to describe them as elaborate would do them an injustice. They were crazy expensive.
Looking at it from our perspective of today, where women in most countries enjoy a level of freedom and respect not seen in a very long time. Ya, I would have to agree with you. It has Nothing to do with racism, and EVERYTHING to do with freedom.
@@Yulia-il1mb Ok, but I still would not want to be related to a people that subjugated women to that level. They would have killed me young, since it would be impossible for me to live under such authoritarian rule. I feel that way about some of todays cultures as well. I would not survive long. My mouth or actions would get me killed. So if that makes me racist........ Well, I find that interesting...... Because, its not because I dont like some aspects of the said culture, it is just as a woman with no rights or voice, I wouldnt last long, knowing who I am.
i believe this video is just a reading of an ohio state article, but the article doesnt have any citations or much other information. these are primarily babylonian rules (the distinction is important), and some are exaggerated or taken from greek """historians"""" (who looked upon non-hellenic cultures with disdain). The code of hammurabi is probably the source i'd trust most. i've read some interesting papers on the differences between the cultures of mesopotamia. By comparing the myths pre- and post- syncretization, some could argue babylonian and assyrian cultures were more misogynistic than the sumerians. based off what i've read, the image of "bride markets" seems to be greatly exaggerated. Herodotus himself describes it as an archaic practice out of use by his own day, and it was probably no more than an old rumor/stereotype. The bride "market" wouldnt be an auction in the traditional sense, but any father would try to get the best deal for himself (and possibly his daughter), and likewise for the prospective husband. they'd compare the prices and contract agreements between suitors and pick the highest "bidder," but i doubt large stages with auctioneers actually happened, or atleast they were very niche. the contract also fuctioned like a pre-nup. its a little ironic that one of the most prolific and powerful dieties in the pantheon, inanna/ishtar, was (by their cultural standards) an absolutely terrible wife.
@@raktimdev9686 I didn't ask you to name any single 'Bronze age' queen but rather a queen from a lineage specifically where her regency was achieved from her mother and so on. That would be a proper matriarchy. I never mentioned any time period as well. Also the fact that you somehow feel that if even bronze age kings are unnamed so why would any queen from that time would be, shows that somehow these 'RegNant QuEeNs' are only secondary to the so-called important men of those matriarchal times. In simpler words, according to your wordings, she would be only a titular head based only on her conjugal relations and subservience to the king, so why would her name be known first.
@@raktimdev9686 You're a teen, aren't you? That is why insults come first and later explanations. Go back to your college, learn some basic communication and participate in debates and then show-off your rote learned facts. You have absolutely no pratical understanding of said facts.
@@raktimdev9686 You never really answered my question but seem to be gloating around the topic. Of course, because you're a teen in Indian age which means I have to ask my question again because you lack the presence of mind to pay attention when asked the first time around. "please name all Indian Women Rulers who were granted regency from their mothers or sisters" If the answer is NO, then say so. But you wouldn't admit it because the rhetoric would nullify your oldest comment, isn't it? Your first comment is based on anecdotal claims, without any strong grounds or even concrete evidence to back it up. Rulers could mean sarpanch, head of city, chieftain or even queen. It does not specify a royal family but has the possibility thereof. I didn't even mention queens until under the assumption that I did, you mentioned kings. I cannot fanthom the fact of you being a such dense med student who cannot even process such a simple question.
It is unknown how the Harrapan Society was structured. Claims to matriarchy are misguided. Many civilizations worshipped female divinities and were as patriarchal as any other.
Usually they never met, husband would be in his 30s or older and prob his 4th or more wife, and wife would be 10 or older (forced). LOVE did not exist is marriage at that time.... Crazy how Egypt was complete opposite
Sometimes you just want to hear the history objectively without all the political language of today. I’ve been subjected to too many articles like “air conditioning is racist and sexist” to need to get a slew of that shit during my damn history lesson.
This is a blatant rip-off of Weird History (tone, humor, speech patterns, transitions, just a total imitation) but I'm here for it since that means more history content -- but maybe don't compare returning a car with a faulty GPS to getting rid of a wife for suspecting she's not a virgin. I got the point you tried to make but the simile missed the mark 😅
The main flaw in this is that it looks at everything through the lens of patriarchy, always assuming that these things function to oppresswomen and you assume characterisations like misogyny. You need to experiment with an oppositional or critical lens.
Thanks for putting what looks like a Mesopotamian man and woman in the video at the end because it should be evident that the people of Mesopotamia are so called Black people from Africa
@@Tinyfurball You'd be surprised how many do and have happy marriages, and it is not necessary nor polite to call names when someone disagrees with you. :)
They we’re NOT patriarchal from the beginning in sumer its the oppositie! The society in ancient sumer was matriarchal and the first god/ godess was inanna, godess of farming. It was LATER with the sargon of akkad and Babylonian, Akkad, and assyrian takeovers that Mesopotamia shifted to a Patriarchal Society and culture. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT before you Decide to make videos where you spread misinformation.
Actually Inanna became more popular during the Akkadian Period which would have been after the classical Sumerian period, where Enki, who was male, would have been the chief deity. Ultimately though they were polytheistic pantheons, so you can't really point to any particular deity's gender and presume either a patriarchy or matriarchy. Generally, the most prevalent theory is that with the development of urban centers there was a shift towards patriarchy, while matriarchy is believed to have been more prevalent in the pre and early Neolithic period.
Actually, each city had its own deity and pantheons developed with the rise of empires. The earliest and most widely worshipped god was the male An/Anu. Inanna actually rose in popularity much later. Also, there are no known historical matriarchies. They are Victorian Era myths.
@@AMR_k400 That is probably correct. Civilization developed independently in different parts of the World. However, the civilization that would eventually spawn Western civilization was in likely that in Mesopotamia. I say likely because you also saw the rise of the Egyptian civilization at roughly the same time, so many of these early civilizations influenced the later bronze age civilizations that spawned in the West (particularly the Mycenaean and later Greek).
'Kind of like taking a car back because the sat nav doesn't work'? Well, well, well... your patriarchical prejudices are 'pretty evident'. I'd say you probably need to check your sources more thoroughly.
India began like a matriarchal society? 🤣🤣Pity ur sources..the institution of marriage itself started in india thousands of years ago . Don't be so ignorant and just make videos to make money And I am sure you have not understood anything about Mesopotamian marriage institution..
Completely false info form the start! Mesopotamien society was equal form the beginning during early sumer. Then it Bacame more patriachal with Akkadians, Assyrians etc! Please dont spread false info!
the narration and the overall presentation gives me a weird history feels.
I said the same... I think it is the same narrator...
Well then either deal with with the similarities and watch it QUIETLY or go complain about it somewhere else (I suggest one of those "Star Trek Discovery and/or Picard UA-cam channels that spend almost 24/7 of ALL of their free time muttering about" sites.")
@@mariakelly1059 I don't think they complained, just stated an observation 😅 very defensive tho
Shhhhhh....
His portrayal of Vikings in such positive light and after saying men were allowed to have mistresses (plural) but women weren’t and they could be killed by their husbands at the spot for being caught with another man. The narrator added, Viking women owned their husbands and Viking women had more rights than the rest of European women. The fuck?!
They (and Sumerians and Egyptians) were surprisingly advanced and impressive civilizations. We’d be nowhere if not for the technological advances and discoveries of these civilizations. They gave us things like mathematics, written language, calendars, the wheel, and even currency.
Sort of puts an end to American exceptioalism.
You forgot the Nubians, Kingdoms of Kush.
I really hate that cultures had an idea that it was only women who should be forbidden from having sex before marriage. Men should be too. I believe that sex should not happen before marriage, but it goes for both people, not just the girl.
Mistake 1 was attempting to describe the entirety of "Mesopotamian marriage culture" in a single 10 minute video. Mesopotamia was enormous and incredibly diverse. These customs weren't necessarily true across the board. Mistake 2 was listening to anything Herodotus said about non-Greeks. As a classicist, his accuracy was dubious at best.
Yes
Especially when it comes to their views on sex. Prostitution was normal and in some cases considered holy, due to the devotees of the sex &war goddess Inana
Number 2 is still pretty true to this day for any two cultures
是的，巴比倫甚至還有坐廟禮。
幾乎每個女孩都要去坐廟一次，否則就嫁不出去。
但坐廟禮對於現代人來說…真的無法想像。
And where's your video doing better?
Mesopotamian man: I can't stop thinking about her. Her smile fills me with such joy. I want to make my wife happy.
Mesopotamian doctor: This man is obviously sick and must be treated immediately!
Today we call them bro's!
"a quaint, classy church in Montreal" made me laugh cuz I went to two Montreal weddings...and to describe them as elaborate would do them an injustice. They were crazy expensive.
Proud to be Assyrian son of the cradle civilization 🙏💪🏼
All respect to Assyrian people!!!
Napoleon was trying to look for the Holy Grail, only to stumble upon a den filled with killer rabbits of Caerbannog.
You guys thumbnails and i would argue presentation of your content is a straight up copy of weird history
so what.. copy them. I want as much history as humanly possible
Cuz this channel was run by the people from weird history.
Great video! Thanks for the history lesson! Lov ur Channel 💓!
Far better than modern marriage.
This was interesting! Thanks!
Feel so fortunate I am no where related to such a civilisation
Racist
you're probably related to people with similar sexist traditions lmao. And if you're white or arab, slavery is in your blood
Looking at it from our perspective of today, where women in most countries enjoy a level of freedom and respect not seen in a very long time. Ya, I would have to agree with you. It has Nothing to do with racism, and EVERYTHING to do with freedom.
@@Seanna.Michelle its the word "related" that makes it racist
@@Yulia-il1mb Ok, but I still would not want to be related to a people that subjugated women to that level. They would have killed me young, since it would be impossible for me to live under such authoritarian rule. I feel that way about some of todays cultures as well. I would not survive long. My mouth or actions would get me killed. So if that makes me racist........ Well, I find that interesting...... Because, its not because I dont like some aspects of the said culture, it is just as a woman with no rights or voice, I wouldnt last long, knowing who I am.
I would say these images reflect more the Book of Esther (jewish Bible).
Isn't there a name for the Jewish holy book?
Bible is the name of the Christian holy book
@@PurplecrushASMR The jewish bible.
@@PurplecrushASMR The Holy Bible contains the jewish bible and the Scriptures. Meaning the Old and New Testaments.
@@zutalors960 oh
i believe this video is just a reading of an ohio state article, but the article doesnt have any citations or much other information.
these are primarily babylonian rules (the distinction is important), and some are exaggerated or taken from greek """historians"""" (who looked upon non-hellenic cultures with disdain). The code of hammurabi is probably the source i'd trust most.
i've read some interesting papers on the differences between the cultures of mesopotamia. By comparing the myths pre- and post- syncretization, some could argue babylonian and assyrian cultures were more misogynistic than the sumerians.
based off what i've read, the image of "bride markets" seems to be greatly exaggerated. Herodotus himself describes it as an archaic practice out of use by his own day, and it was probably no more than an old rumor/stereotype.
The bride "market" wouldnt be an auction in the traditional sense, but any father would try to get the best deal for himself (and possibly his daughter), and likewise for the prospective husband. they'd compare the prices and contract agreements between suitors and pick the highest "bidder," but i doubt large stages with auctioneers actually happened, or atleast they were very niche. the contract also fuctioned like a pre-nup.
its a little ironic that one of the most prolific and powerful dieties in the pantheon, inanna/ishtar, was (by their cultural standards) an absolutely terrible wife.
To bad modern banks. Don’t still take kids. I’ve got 2 in they’re 30’s. I’d happily default on a loan for. 😂😂😂😂
0:11 myself as an Indian, I don't agree with you. India has always been a patriarchy, although things are changing for good now.
In Vedic era Indian women were great scholars, rode horses and took part in yaggya
@@raktimdev9686 please name all Indian Women Rulers who were granted regency from their mothers or sisters.
@@raktimdev9686 I didn't ask you to name any single 'Bronze age' queen but rather a queen from a lineage specifically where her regency was achieved from her mother and so on. That would be a proper matriarchy. I never mentioned any time period as well.
Also the fact that you somehow feel that if even bronze age kings are unnamed so why would any queen from that time would be, shows that somehow these 'RegNant QuEeNs' are only secondary to the so-called important men of those matriarchal times. In simpler words, according to your wordings, she would be only a titular head based only on her conjugal relations and subservience to the king, so why would her name be known first.
@@raktimdev9686 You're a teen, aren't you? That is why insults come first and later explanations. Go back to your college, learn some basic communication and participate in debates and then show-off your rote learned facts. You have absolutely no pratical understanding of said facts.
@@raktimdev9686 You never really answered my question but seem to be gloating around the topic. Of course, because you're a teen in Indian age which means I have to ask my question again because you lack the presence of mind to pay attention when asked the first time around.
"please name all Indian Women Rulers who were granted regency from their mothers or sisters"
If the answer is NO, then say so. But you wouldn't admit it because the rhetoric would nullify your oldest comment, isn't it?
Your first comment is based on anecdotal claims, without any strong grounds or even concrete evidence to back it up.
Rulers could mean sarpanch, head of city, chieftain or even queen. It does not specify a royal family but has the possibility thereof. I didn't even mention queens until under the assumption that I did, you mentioned kings.
I cannot fanthom the fact of you being a such dense med student who cannot even process such a simple question.
Did you say indian began matriarchal society?
Well yes Indus valley civilization was a matriarchal society
It is unknown how the Harrapan Society was structured. Claims to matriarchy are misguided. Many civilizations worshipped female divinities and were as patriarchal as any other.
the first few seconds of the narration gave me Khan Academy vibes lol
Usually they never met, husband would be in his 30s or older and prob his 4th or more wife, and wife would be 10 or older (forced). LOVE did not exist is marriage at that time.... Crazy how Egypt was complete opposite
Sometimes you just want to hear the history objectively without all the political language of today. I’ve been subjected to too many articles like “air conditioning is racist and sexist” to need to get a slew of that shit during my damn history lesson.
Lets secure our future by adopting mesopamian marriage ... choosing the most financially stable man.. love this days wont feed you & buy u a house...
Yup you are right, the average person in a first world country is a peasant with no financial education. (Sarcasm)
The thumbnail is of Germanic people while the video is about mesopotamia....
They are not Germanic
Correction ancient Mesopotamia has nothing to do with western society at all. But the video is funny for the most part.
Western society took civilization from Mesopotamia and was affected by it very much
Did they really have "marriage markets"?
Also a thing in modern china
Be nice if I could have seen the info about the depression without the annoying banners!
So there was only one wedding frame work?
The equivalent to “How Africans get married”.
Its all in the bible thats why Sarah called Abraham lord
See the story of Onan in Chapter 38 in the Book of Genesis.
Who found him on tic tok and now watch him all the time
Not me I refuse to download it
The ad was annoying, anybody who writes music on a piano is a tool and has too much money to consider a guitar like a normal musician 😂
Why do you saw pic that have nothing to do with what you are talking about do you think I'm stupid
This is a blatant rip-off of Weird History (tone, humor, speech patterns, transitions, just a total imitation) but I'm here for it since that means more history content -- but maybe don't compare returning a car with a faulty GPS to getting rid of a wife for suspecting she's not a virgin. I got the point you tried to make but the simile missed the mark 😅
The main flaw in this is that it looks at everything through the lens of patriarchy, always assuming that these things function to oppresswomen and you assume characterisations like misogyny. You need to experiment with an oppositional or critical lens.
Badly researched clickbait.
Wow, after six thousand years that customs still exist in my tribe, except the sex with strangers!
"....if the new husband found her new wife..." ooh, same-sex marriages back then!
Fantastic. You jump in time - I see ancient Mesopotamy, you don't know it. But I don't understand why you did all this?
Thanks for putting what looks like a Mesopotamian man and woman in the video at the end because it should be evident that the people of Mesopotamia are so called Black people from Africa
Today's marriages are still business transactions!
As a Mesopotamian, this is soo stupid and wrong 🤣
where gay relations ok
Marriage is still a Business, today. Pay attention, nobody gets married for Love these days.
Wrong. Many people are very happily married.
@@Ravensonng That is a lie. People don't marry for Love. That is why, Divorce is High, dummy.
@@Tinyfurball You'd be surprised how many do and have happy marriages, and it is not necessary nor polite to call names when someone disagrees with you. :)
No one ever did!
They we’re NOT patriarchal from the beginning in sumer its the oppositie! The society in ancient sumer was matriarchal and the first god/ godess was inanna, godess of farming.
It was LATER with the sargon of akkad and Babylonian, Akkad, and assyrian takeovers that Mesopotamia shifted to a Patriarchal Society and culture.
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT before you Decide to make videos where you spread misinformation.
Actually Inanna became more popular during the Akkadian Period which would have been after the classical Sumerian period, where Enki, who was male, would have been the chief deity. Ultimately though they were polytheistic pantheons, so you can't really point to any particular deity's gender and presume either a patriarchy or matriarchy.
Generally, the most prevalent theory is that with the development of urban centers there was a shift towards patriarchy, while matriarchy is believed to have been more prevalent in the pre and early Neolithic period.
Actually, each city had its own deity and pantheons developed with the rise of empires. The earliest and most widely worshipped god was the male An/Anu. Inanna actually rose in popularity much later. Also, there are no known historical matriarchies. They are Victorian Era myths.
*Mesopotamia the birth place of western civilization* located in the east
Sure buddy
Well its not wrong though 🤷♂️
????
@@christinalomeli3171 he said its the birth place of western civilization but its literally located in the east not west
@@AMR_k400 Its the truth though. The far east was doing something different.
@@AMR_k400 That is probably correct. Civilization developed independently in different parts of the World. However, the civilization that would eventually spawn Western civilization was in likely that in Mesopotamia. I say likely because you also saw the rise of the Egyptian civilization at roughly the same time, so many of these early civilizations influenced the later bronze age civilizations that spawned in the West (particularly the Mycenaean and later Greek).
'Kind of like taking a car back because the sat nav doesn't work'? Well, well, well... your patriarchical prejudices are 'pretty evident'. I'd say you probably need to check your sources more thoroughly.
India began like a matriarchal society? 🤣🤣Pity ur sources..the institution of marriage itself started in india thousands of years ago . Don't be so ignorant and just make videos to make money
And I am sure you have not understood anything about Mesopotamian marriage institution..
Oh yeah and you do, right? 🤣🤣
You realy think that love must be the reason for marrige??!! Am from kuwait
Of course. If not they will be two very unhappy people.
@@Ravensonng well your wrong not alll people marry for that reason!
@@wildfire3989 I am not saying that all people do but... those that do follow their hearts are happy people. :)
As a woman, I am not a piece of property and fuck any worthless beings who would treat me as such.
@@JokerzPrincezz love may not last and kids needs both parent !
You haven't explained anything. "This is weird, this is weird, this is negative, blah blah blah"
First mistake is that Caucasian people weren't even around.
Your "banter" in modern terms was irritating.
India wasn't a matriarchal society. Matrilineal, perhaps but not matriarchal
Completely false info form the start! Mesopotamien society was equal form the beginning during early sumer. Then it Bacame more patriachal with Akkadians, Assyrians etc! Please dont spread false info!
This is really bad! 🤨
This episode should be called feminist history.
And that would be a problem why?
If “women shouldn’t be raped and sold” is a feminist statement to you, you are a worthless waste of space
What's changed as far as the whole men/women extravaganza.....🤔
It’s now illegal for men in the west to have their wives raped, or to sell women like animals. Sounds like a step up to me
Could this channel be a bigger rip off of weird history?
Watered down, juvenile, nonsense.