30-06 vs .308. | The Great Grandpa Cartridge vs The Whipper-Snapper Cartridge.
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- My Dad, (Rest in Peace), extoled the virtues of the 30-06 Springfield and demonstrated his marksmanship on Game for most all of his lifetime. Therefore he thought the 308 Win. was soporiferous. Well I listened, learned and formed my own opinion, albeit later in life. Both Cartridges are Great!
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My Cherokee grandfather began teaching me to shoot when I was 8. At 10 he allowed me to shoot his .30-06 deer rifle, as he was teaching me to shoot long distance. Over my summer with him and my Indian grandmother, I progressed to consistently shooting bullseyes at 800 yards. He was very proud of me and I bought my first rifle with him at an antique place for $30. It was a WWII training rifle in .22.
Between the .308 and the .30-06, it's no competition. I was a military sniper and have shot about every caliber rifle out there, but the one I love to shoot is the .30-06. Its versatility, its availability, and my familiarity with it make it my hands-down favorite.
Thank you, Mr. Strohmeyer, for an entertaining and interesting show. Oh, and nice shooting, too!
A great Heritage you have and Thanks for your service.
@Dave Strohmeyer - Saddle Up Shootin' Thank you, Sir for your comment. I will be following your show now. Also, you may have noticed I don't go in for the BS Native American name. I hate that. I'm Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. We're American Indians. That's it. Thanks again.
I’m a great grandpa and I’ll stick with my .30-06.
Great choice. Thanks for watching.
Yep. Me too.
Good video. I have a Remington 30-06 semi and a 30-30 lever... love them both. We are the same age. Thank you
Thanks for watching.
My first deer hunting rifle was a Savage chambered in .308 with a wood stock. Even though 30-06 has a ballistic advantage, it didn't seem like it would make any difference in deer hunting for me. You can't go wrong with either.
Thanks Andy for your comment.
I consider the 165/168 the heavy bullet for a .308
but in match I shoot the 173grn FMJ LC Match. and consider the 165 my light bullet for my '06. I normally hunt with a 180grn Noslar Partition
At the height of the ammo shortage; the 30-06 was the only rifle cartridge left on store shelves.
It was especially Designed as a main battle rifle round.
It is about 20% more powerful than the 308.
Just a few reasons to prefer it.
Thanks for your comment here and for watching.
Total opposite in West Tennessee bro. I was glad I had a 308 because it was literally the only hunting ammo you could find. And even then it was damn near twice the price. I agree though that the old 06 is probably closer to the one gun to do it all than 308 is but unless you’re going out west or are shooting over 300 yards, a 308 will get ya anywhere you need to go just as well.
Correction on the .308, if I may. It was introduced in 1952. And what a great all around cartridge it is. And there have been so many cartridges that have used the parent case of the .308 to create some mighty fine rounds. Nearly every rifle manufacturer chambers rifles in a .308 and the ammunition is nearly always available. Thanks for sharing. Stay well, Merry Christmas and God Bless.
Same to you and yours.
30.06 all day. If you have a 308, tell your wife you also need a 30.06. Both are great although 30.06 has a slight overall advantage so owning both is best. And you can never have too many guns 😊
Yes both are great cartridges. Thanks for watching.
Got a lot of surplus 30-06 put up for when things go sideways. Punches holes through 1/2 in steel plate. 308 is a great rd. also,my second choice. 5.56 is my go to in close.
I second the motion jamesmooney..Thank you for the video. If I had one rifle round to use forever I would choose the 30-06 and reload my own. Very versital with a great history in small to large game as well as anti personel. Apreciate you. Best regards, Tom
Thanks for your comment here and for watching.
While I have and can shoot both, I prefer my Grendal. Practice with heavy recoil is just not that much fun anymore. Thanks for the demo, and very nice shooting.
Take care and the Lord's Blessing to you, sir.
Sometimes heavy recoil, will make you feel "Alive" and medium to large game "Permanently Asleep" HaHa!
Excellent point brother! Big fan of 6.5 Grendel myself. Shooting 108 lapua with varmint at 2900fps and holding sub 1/2" moa. Big guns are great but im sick of recoil. Bless ya sir!
That's good velocity and shooting for your Grendel. Thanks for watching.
It's not that I learned something in this video. It's that, one, your personable, second, you dont say stupid 💩, and third, it's an enjoyable video- 👍's job!
I like both!
Thanks for the kind words.
I really liked this video. Great comparison between what was available to the vast majority of sportsman in the 60's through the early 90's to what's available today.
My grandfather, whom sadly passed away before I was born, harvested many, many deer with the model 70's predecessor, a model 54 in .270. He always said, according to my father, that any range your rifle could shoot a group that you could cover with your hand was fine for hunting.
It's true that there's nothing the 308 can do that the 30-06 can't do better. The fact is that the difference isn't enough to justify the long action and extra weight. If, and that's a big if, you need more power or better ballistics than the.308, your next logical step up would be the.300 win mag or something like that.
Not to be "that guy" but this is one of the reasons the 6.5 Creedmoor has done so well. It simply does the job without muss or fuss and if you want to significantly upgrade the ballistics your going to be burning a LOT more powder with everything that goes along with that.
Well said and Thanks for watching.
Your opinion, that is all.
I've always trusted magnums for range based on 06 case length. I was trained on 308 in the 80s in the Navy. I probably own more 308 than 9mm or 22LR.
Nice video
Thanks for your comment and for watching.
Dave. Another good and interesting video. Thanks again for sharing. Hope you have a great day. Take care.
Thanks Bobcat!
Nice video on these calibers. I own both and enjoy hunting with both of them.
From smaller game to bigger game. Accurate and nice to handle too! Thanks
Thanks for your comment and for watching.
It has been said that the .30-06 will take any game in North America. And I believe it. Again, it really matters on application. I had often heard that the .308 Win was a short action version of the .30-06. Then, later, I learned it was actually descended from the .300 Savage. They are all .30 caliber slugs, just different length and weights with different length cartridges to hold whatever amount of powder is required.
I read the big game hunting book by Elmer Keith, who was also partial namesake to the .333 OKH, he is the K of that. So, he favored what we call straight wall. Modernly, that would be the .350 Legend, .450 Bush Master, and the .45-70 Government. Barely cracking 2,000 fps and dropping nearly 5 feet at 300 yards. But they are perfect for hunting in the dense woods or populated areas where long distance cartridges are not allowed.
However, I could see where people might prefer .30-06 Sprg or even .300 Win Mag when shooting the high plains. There is no place to hide, you have to spot and stalk. Then set up and shoot 200 or 300 yards. Because then, the high speed and heavier bullet and higher BC have an advantage. That being said, .308 W can hunt that distance, too. You can hunt deer with a .243 W in my state. And I have seen another guy harvest a canadian moose at over 100 yards with one shot of Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor 143 gr ELD-X.
Yes, America has a great heritage and history with firearms and cartridges. Thanks for your comment and for watching.
There is no replacement for displacement. Loaded to the same pressure the 30-06 will handle heavy bullets better and shoot lighter bullets 150ft/sec better. Love the 308 but the 30-06 is my favourite round.
Thanks for your comment and for watching.
Have both. Each plenty of gun. If you reload, 308 yields more rounds per pound of propellant. Big dudes do the 06 long action ok smaller dudes do the 308 short action better. However, in the hands of a skilled marksman both do the same thing with little difference to tell.
@@Diogenes425 100% I’m shooting a 308 with 178 eldx at 2600 fps out of an 18 in barrel with my hand loads. Same bullet factory load in am buddies 30-06 22’ and getting the exact same fps! Lol
Sorry, but turbochargers have proven that idea wrong long ago.
One could easily say that the groupings show the effect of flinching with the larger cartridge. The first shot to the right may very well be there because Dave had not shot the 30:06 for two years and was unconsciously (perhaps consciously) apprehensive of the recoil. The two other shots did not reflect any flinching. As Dave said himself: "The first shot is the money shot!" In the case of the .308, Dave knew that it was a cartridge will less recoil, and that the rifle was a heavy one, further tampering down the recoil. No problem there! The grouping shows no flinching at all, and is, in fact, superb at 3/4 of an inch. The great quality of the .308, which marked it at its birth as indeed a 'whipper-snapper' was that it did not scare young soldiers. And it does not scare most hunters. The 30:06 is at the limit of what average-weight men consider all-day recoil. A box of twenty will leave a blue spot on most shoulders. .308 much less. As for being able to kill anything that moves on the American continent, who of us shoot at buffaloes, grizzlies and brown bears? Thank you for once again making an unpretentious and pleasant video. Always fun to watch!
You maybe right. But it could also be a non free floated barrel, cold bore/clean bore shot. But shooter error and possible flinch is always more than 50% of marksmanship. But for me as a hunter, the 30-06 has taken game 50 to 1 over the .308 win. simply because of the number of years in personal use.
The anticipation of the shot going off is THE CULPRIT in most cases of inaccurate shooting. The way he did the dry fire is the true “ give away “😮.When I was growing up, early teens, dad asked me to sit on the ground and shoot at a target. He PRETENDED TO CHAMBER A ROUND, standing directly behind me so I would never know see him loading the rifle. Then the GOTCHA YA moment of dry fire and 🙈😞. Needless to say, he asked me to go for bear hunt the next day with a shotgun 😮😢. Age 13 years.
Age 18 years . Pops got a good deal on a . 470 NE with a sack full of old ammo. Every 2 or 3 shot will hang fire. Again GOTCH YA 🙈😩. The he shot a few rounds …bulls eye with EVERY HANG FIRE . I never forgot my lesson. He was a God gifted person in the art of accurate shooting ! He seldom spoke and never reprimanded me or corrected me. He just wanted to see if I was naturally GIFTED in the art of accurate shooting. But surprisingly, I hardly ever missed my ACCURATE shots on the game. This was going on in India..more than 60 years ago .
I hope he is enjoying in the happy hunting grounds. See you later dad.😢
Agreed, The best rifle/cartridge/caliber is the one you're most comfortable shooting.
I always find it funny when these guys get into arguments/debates over which is best over 400, 600, even 1,000 yards. Where I hunt (southeastern woodlands) I RARELY get to see anything beyond 150-200 yards(most are within 100), so those debates are a moot point because damn near any caliber will do the job at the range I'm hunting.
Yes, Hunting terrain, size of game and possible distance to target does make a difference though on cartridge choice. That being said, the shooters ability and confidence to make a well placed shot is most important. Thanks for your comment here.
If you've got one, don't bother with the other. I prefer a 308 myself simply because it's what my dad had and the centrefire cartridge I learned on (I started with airguns, then 22lr, then centrefire). Then get yourself a 375H&H or bigger. 22lr, 308win and 375h&h and practice3x. I'm pretty much set for life.
Agree, if you are limited to just 3 rifles. Then your choices are pretty good.
Thanks for the demo. Been determining which one to get as my sons first hunting rifle. He's nervous about big recoil. Or anything that kicks like a 12ga.
Just like your first good tackle in Football. Once you hit your targets bullseye you can't wait to do it again. Both cartridges do provide factory "reduced youth loads."
Recoil depends on a rifle , my browning stalker SA 308 win kicks harder than benelli lupo 30-06-which has mild recoil impulse,even though benelli is a lighter rifle at 7lb. My guess is a butstock design which is suppress the recoil a lot better on benelli. And my buddy has Thompson 30-06-that is uncomfortable to shoot.
@@vladislavpotekhin9953 Both cartridges have their pluses and minuses. Thanks for watching.
1981. eleven years old and was small for a 11 year old, I had the choice of 30.06 or ... a 30.06. And 12, 16, .410 gauge. Given I preferred the .410, I would have gone .308 if I had the choice, knowing "the kick could be worse" compared to 30.06 all else being equal. Wasn't nervous about recoil, more of a dread.
.243Win is "softer" shooting while still being extremely effective on deer sized game. It's a good option for those who may be recoil sensitive.
.30-06 leaves .308 behind when heavy bullets are required. It can duplicate 6.5CM trajectories with 190 grain bullets with high ballistic coefficients and deliver far more energy. It can also shoot as flat as .270 Win, or stop a griz with 200 or 220 grainers.
The ole -06 is certainly versatile. Thanks for watching.
Every home should have both, I know ours does❤❤
Agree. Thanks for watching.
Great video. Thank you. Very practical stuff.
Thanks for watching and for your comment.
Good man ! Thank you sir -
Thanks for watching.
I watched the entire advertisement before this video. Superior leggins, very pretty gal. 😆 Good comparison brother, my full size M77 rifke is chambered in 30 06, my short barrel M77 carbine is chambered in .308.
I never see the advertisements that run on these videos. I hope they are not annoying or profane. Thanks for watching Rick.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 It wasn't profane brother, it was an add for some pants but it was a lady shooting a rifle.
Well, my ad's were "We the People" and "Urban Carry" holsters. No tight clothes on athletic models.😅
@@Michigan4Conservative At least both were pro 2A.
@@RickNethery my ad was that what not girl. She’s a cutie 😍
I reload for both of those cartridges. Really they are both awesome. Accuracy is great out of both of them once you find the load it likes. As far as deer hunting the damage is about the same. Guess it depends on if you want a short bullet or a long one.
Thanks for watching and for your comment here.
I inherited my Grandpa's sporterized Springfield. I hunt at least once a year with it. I killed a 11 point with a 25 1/2 spread at over 200 yards. I know Grandpa had a big grin on his face for sure.
The advantage of the 7.62x51 over the 30-06 is in automatic actions. The advantage is a shorter cartridge case makes for a shorter bolt travel and an easier extraction. Ballistically, the 30-06 is much superior after 165 grain bullets, due to greater case capacity and recommended powders.
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Definitely a fan of both guns but love the tactical look of the .308 !
Thanks for your comment.
Both are great performing cartridges. For driven hunt or search I prefer short rifles. I think .308 is a little bit more compatible with short barrell lenght. So the .308 is my caliber of choice.
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7MM Remington Magnum. Shots flat like a .270 and hits hard like a .30-06.
I like your presentation style, well done. There are Lots and LOTS of loads worked up for 30 06.....and 308 too. Big diff I see is that for military ball 308 goes subsonic about 800 yards and 30 06 goes sub sonic about 1000. So if your REALLY need to reach out and touch someone, 30 06 probably has the advantage.
Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
The problem is that you often do not need to shoot things at 1000 yards. Just getting a clean line of sight is hard enough. So to have a regular military cartridge for 1000 yards is just overkill. You do not tend to fight the enemy at that range.
For hunting, you really shouldn't try to kill an animal at that range. It is hard enough to just hit the target at 1000 yards, even harder to hit a vital part. Hunting at that range is unethical.
So if you look at realistic cases and real world application. Those extra 200 yards are not really worth talking about.
I have a first year production pre-64 Win Mod70 Featherweight in .308 Win that was made in 1952. Sorry, but by 1955, the .308 Win had already been out for 3 years
Sounds like a great rifle. Thanks for watching
I liked the '06 since the 60's when I first owned one.
Same here, Thanks for watching.
Not a fair comparison. In my early days I own a Remington 700 free floated barrel-detailed 30/06 that you couldn't put a dime in the center of a 3 shot group without touching each bullet hole. Thats out to 300 yards. I'm 67 years old now. I did handload my ammo.
Thanks for watching and for your comment here.
1:44 I think a better way to say it is that, unless you are hand loading, the .308 does everything the 30-06 does just as well. Even with the different muzzle velocities, Remington ballistic tables show the 180 gr Core Lokt .308 dropping only 5 inches more at 500 yards than the 30-06. 1 MOA is not only less deviation than a hunting rifle will fire a soft-tipped bullet, it’s less deviation than most hunters can shoot with. For factory loads, there is zero difference between the .308 and the 30-06.
Thanks for your comment and for watching.
Yea and both can be better when you hand load them. I'm getting around almost 2800 from my 308 shooting 18p grain eldx bullets
30.06 every time,i have taken almost everything with this round, including water buffalo in Australia,one shot kills
I got to go with 30 06. Little more velocity and able to shoot heavy bullets better..... wait wait i change my mind 308 for the win. Less recoil and and just easy to load for. Naw i cant choose. Love both.
Good choice(s)
I'm a 30-06 guy because with 110 grain bullets I can shoot coyotes at 300 yards and with 220 grain I can drop black bear!
Yes, the 30-06 is very versatile indeed.
Love my 308! Easy to shoot, tac driving accuracy and enough power to take down almost anything in the lower 48. Although the 30-06 offers a clear advantage with heavier bullets and use on extremely large game like Moose, so besides Alaska, either should be fine.
Thanks for commenting and for watching. Thanks again.
I have a mossberg mvp thunder ranch in 308. have used the 30-06 but not as easy to find like the 30-30 or 410 shotgun shells these days. but i wont be switching to any of the newest calibers at my age. i am fine with my 5.56 in bolt rifle and my 308 in bolt rifle along with my lever guns!
Thanks for your comment. It's always best to stick with the caliber/rifle combinations that you shoot the best.
This should end the debate between .30.. Subsonic in yards: 308win= 900 yards, 30-06= 1200 yards, 300win mag= 1500 yards.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
My uncle gave me couple boxes of 30-06 Federal American Eagle 150 grain FMJ, the box says they were $6.99 for 20 rounds. I'm going to save them.
A wise choice. FMJ are not recommended for hunting.
Yeah, I grew up with the 30.06, So imma just liking it more than the .308, although I can say that the .308 is just as lethal as the 30.06, Both will kill.
Agree.
.308 was made by shortening a .30 - '06 case a half inch. Only difference is powder capacity & length.
Actually the parent case of the .308 was the 300 Savage. Thanks for your comment and for watching.
The .30 - '06 is not only the parent case for the .308 , but also the 250 & 300 Savage and many others. ( 35 Whelen, 338-'06, 280, 270, 25-'06, .308, 338 Federal, 7mm.08, .243, & .22-250.) And by the way the 300 case can not be formed into a .308. It is to short.
@@chrishall7227 From Wikipedia..."The .308 Winchester is a smokeless powder rimless bottlenecked rifle cartridge widely used ... .308 Winchester FMJSP.jpg ... Parent case .300 Savage."
Parent case: .300 Savage
Case capacity: 56 gr H2O (3.6 cm3)
Case length: 2.015 in (51.2 mm)
Bullet diameter: 0.308 in (7.8 mm
This info is easily obtained just by searching for "The parent case of the .308 Win." But not important as I am not a historian or claim to be an expert on any specific cartridge. The .308 is a great medium game cartridge.
The 308 was created so ammunition would be lighter to carry. This was to especially help machine gun crews. So if you need to emplace a machine gun 308, if you're hunting the 30.06. The 30.06 loads can have greater customization, and a 25.06 and 35 Whelen gives you other choices from the same cartage.
Well known facts indeed and Thanks for your input here. Also two full generations and two world wars between these cartridges.
The 308 has plenty of offspring too 264 cal all the way up to 35 . 300 yard deer gun you can't beat a 20 inch barrel 308 light fast and way more than enough gun. 06 is so close that the difference is hardly noticeable except with heavy for caliber ammo 180 to 220. 300 win mag pretty much makes the 06 obsolete. Real ballistic advantage over the 308 . But they all are fun so live it up
For typical deer hunters the 308 does the same with less kick, so i would prefer it. But if that’s not possible, the ‘06 would do. Or a 270 for that matter
Thanks for your comment here and for watching.
Simple if I’m going into battle or any wilderness with dangerous game.. the 30-06
Good choice indeed. Thanks for watching.
Good video, enjoyed it. Have both, mainly use the 3006
Thanks for watching and for your comment here.
love both
Not going to see a great difference with 150 gr pills because of powder capacity. You can see a real advantage of the "06" when both stepped up to 180's.
Agree. Thanks for watching.
30-06 best ammo ever
Thanks for watching.
Just load for what I'm after she works perfect that's the real advantage to the old gun.
Well i like the 308 better but i also own a 30 06 . My question is why do all those gun makers always compare all guns to 308 . They do that for a reason. 308 is the rifle and that is no lie.
Thanks for watching and for your comment.
Try a 165 grain in the 06 to tighten up your groups.
This was just a quick video demo. The 06 has shot every grain weight bullet from 110gn to 200 and taken more game than I can remember. But Thanks for your suggestion and for watching.
what is your shoulder pad on the 30-06 rifle I am curious is it stock? great video👍
Limbsaver leather slip on pad. It is not stock and is removeable to use on other rifles.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 thank you much
Morning Dave!! '06 for the win!!
Still the most versatile, for sure and for certain.
Beautiful 30-06
Thanks for your comment and for watching.
That scope on the 306 could have issues
Maybe so, But the first shot being way to the right was more likely other factors.
308, Short action = less reaction time for follow up shots & with shorter cartridges you can carry more rounds if you need to. Why not if the performance is about the same. Isn't 308 ammunition cheaper than 30-06?
It comes down to personal preference. But the 30-06 can shoot heavier rounds up to 220 gns. thanks for your comment here.
I have a sears 12 gauge pump good gun was my grampa gun only one ive seen from Sears youd think they would be a little more common i mean Sears firearms
Thanks for your shotgun history. Most all Sears branded rifles and shotguns ended in the late 80's
Out west where it's best been shooting for 50 years say what you want I know pretty equal any day I will take YES ! 308 show me different you know you can't comes down to the shotter I my book ! 🤠
Some say the 30-06 will do everything a .308 will do only better, faster and can use heavier bullets.
For about 99% of shooters the difference between the 2 cartridges will be completely unnoticeable. They’ll both kill a deer the same amount of dead.
Agree. Thanks for watching
I want to add to this.
The difference between a 30-06 and the 6,5 Swed is also completely unnoticeable. Their preformance in killing a Moose is down to the statistical and situational variations in the data. A 30-06 kills a Moose just as well as a 6,5 Swed does. So to argue which is better among the 308 and 30-06 is kind of pointless. It is splittings of hair.
Better? The .30’06 has more powder space for heavier bullets. But if you aren’t not shooting 180 or more grain bullets the difference is minimal
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Yes we’ve seen .308, but what about 7mm magnum?
I don't own one. Thanks for watching
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 fair enough, thanks for the video!
Nice. Interesting that these are very similar to the ones in your logo , were the ones in the logo picked for a reason?
On a totally different subject, I remember watching some older movies where the hunter would pour some dirt out to see the wind speed/direction or put a wet finger in the air, guess now a hunter pulls out his Kestrel.
HaHa, No my Son in law computer software guy made the Logo as a Xmas present for me. The Logo represents the old vs the new. As far as testing environmental conditions are concerned, my shooting solution decisions are made based upon how far I have to drag the game back to the truck.
In my opinion, having a brake makes all the difference. It definitely makes it more enjoyable to shoot more than 3 rounds. Watching that 06 kick you reminds me a lot of my childhood watching my grandfather sight in his ol' 270. Ha ha. How many chucks are you up to this year? I've shot 305 so far.
I reckon about 50-60 or so. Would have been allot more if I didn't have to mess with having to adjust zero with 5 different rifles. HaHa.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Awesome!! I know the feeling to many toys to choose from. Did you draw any tags this year?
@@dirtroadsoldier8359 Got tired of donating my $6 to just not draw anyway. I will have my general deer tag filled anyways. I may still get the depredation land owner cow elk tag, from a ranch owner, later in the fall.
I drew for cow in 36 and a extra deer in 14x. Have a great day!!
I have the 30-06 but not the .308.
That will change, eventually.
Both are great cartridges. Thanks for watching and for your comment here.
Can I ask a stupid question? What type of shooting table do you use in these videos?
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My Remington 770 bolt action Loves federal 150s 308 deer after deer.
Great cartridge. Thanks for watching
308 bolt action Ruger walnut finish . Bushnell alway on 🎯
118 year old round still doing it.
Agree. Thanks for watching.
Buddy..... 308 is the grandad now. And the whippersnapper is 6.5 Creed.
Good point.
308 bullets are every where and that's a plus and it's short action but I want it in in, semi automatic, that is the only advantage it has.
Both the 308 and 30-06 are available in a Browning BAR and 30-06 Ammo is plentiful. Thanks for your comment
Get a AR-10 in .308 that should scratch your semi-auto itch.
30-06 all the way ... I love my Ruger m77 MK2 in 30-06 👍
Good choice.
I like my 30-06 dropped all my moose one shot fell in their tracks where they stood 3030 lots of old guys use up here for moose she does the job one shot just have to know your gun
Thanks for watching.
Both great..its about personal prefference
Agreed, Thanks for watching.
For someone that had that rifle for as long as you and you don't even know the trigger pull and your rest is not a good one at all because I have the same one after it messed up a rifle it's in the trash and replaced it with good quality sand bag rest and I would suggest a 3 lbs trigger pull, but you do as you like but those groups would not be very good at 3 and 4 hundred yd ranges but you'll make do I think. Aim small, good hunting, have fun, GOD bless.Oh, don't mind me, I get a little windy once in a while.
Thanks for your comment and for watching. I think you are referring to the 30-06 correct? If you are, that rifle has taken well over 50 large game animals and is dependable with hunting accuracy.
@Dave Strohmeyer - Saddle Up Shootin' If it works, then I wouldn't mess with it ether, good luck out there.
Nice to compare the ammo, but significantly different rifles, and even more difference in scope makes me question the overall validity of this comparison.
It's not valid two different cartridges and two different rifles. 30-06 circa 1906, Rifle and scope 1976 (Grandpa). 308 Win. circa 1952. Rifle and scope 2019 (Grandson)
30-06 is only noticeably more powerful ballistically vs the .308 shooting 180gr bullets... 150-165 is basically the same. (Factory loads)
Thanks for your comment and for watching.
How's that Bushnell scope holding up?
I purchased three of them some years back and all three failed. One was mounted on a .338, one on a .300, and one on a .30-06. After a few hundred rounds all three rifles started experiencing a gradual, and eventually substantial loss of accuracy. I even went as far as changing the shooter trying to nail down the issue, and it turned out the scopes were loosing their zero a little bit with every shot. One of them completely broke internally to the point you could see it jump around simply by smacking the stock with your hand. I got them all at the same time so it could have been a 'bad batch' situation, since then my rifles all get Leupolds or nothing.
This scope is when Baush and Lomb manufactured the Bushnell scopes. It has held up well over the years. But it is used for hunting and therefore not a high number of shots on it.
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Thank You very much!
Do you reload? I'll bet you could tighten the grouping on your 30-06 by shooting different powders and bullet weights. For the 308-30-06 naysayers, google longest sniper shots. Wikipedia has a group 1,250 meters and longer shots on there. The 308 and 30-06 are both on the list.
Yes, This video was not indicative of the other loads I have for both rifles. Besides I have never had an animal stay alive long enough to explore shooting for groups. You may want to check out my .308 win playlist for load different developments. Thanks for watching and for your comment.
Cheers and greetings from a ,,jung" Hunter from Germany! Where are your Family Origins ? Strohmeyer ist a Name from Germany.... Bavaria i suppose!? 🌿🖐🏽👍
4 th generation American. My great grandfather immigrated in 1893. From a village between Munich and Austrian border.
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308 is not perfect, but it is good enough.
Agree.
The father west and north you go the more tho old horse pulls away live in bc canada shot both like both but no 3006 for me
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Much more expensive rifle and scope, the only pro for the 308, is more factory ammo, 30-06 any day for deer.
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I hunt with both i think the 30 06 has a little more power and recoil and the 308 is little more accurate and less recoil and power
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Any reason for that WIDE grouping with 30-06 ? Also, the most accurate shot comes when you are SURPRISED when the shot goes off 🙈😩
Lots of possible reasons for the first clean/cold bore shot to be 2" to the right. Respectfully disagree on being surprised when a trigger breaks for any shot. but if that works well for you that is all that counts.
I use .308 and 30.06. I am not a long range shooter. 500-600 meters is my max. Either round is accurate and deadly at that range. After that,it comes down to what you are using it for and what rifle you fire it out of.
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Excuse me, what was the purpose of this other to be seen in a video. If the rifles were close to comparable it would be different but using an old Sears rifle against a precision rifle was, well I leave the remark to your interpretation.
The Sears model 53 was top of the line in its day, hence the Great Granddad as is said in the intro. The Savage is a 2012 manufacture date. (Grandson). Thanks for watching.
Looks like Vegas out past the M casino
The different round's numbers are just nit picking, at the end of the day, it is basically the modern way of one caveman chucking a rock at the target. Much of the world's military settled on the 30 cal a century ago. I prefer the 308 for it lend itself to automation easier.
Thanks for your comment and for watching. Allot of the worlds military shoot the 6.5, 7mm and 8mm also. Even Nato is moving away from the 7.62 in favor of the 6.8 (.277 cal). But the 5.56 (.223) and the 7.62 (308) are still the mainstay of the greatest military in the world, the good ole USA.
you cannot compare a 6lbs trigger and a 2 lbs trigger.
This test doesn't say anything about the two cartridges it says something about the two rifles. I have been a reloader for many years. I have loaded a lot for both cartridges. I still own a 30-06 and always will. I no longer own a .308 because I like the 7x57 so much more.
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7X57 is sweet
Given proper bullet placement, the 30-06 will drop anything on the North American continent.
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Compare the 303 against the 308 might suprise you.
It's a new gun.
308 is easier to get good accuracy out of
No the 308 was in 1952!