That was a very well presented penetration test! I gave the 06 13 boards... That you took the time to construct the spacers and place the boards as you did made this test one of the best ones that I have seen. Well done!
The two cartridges are ballistic twins until you go past 165 gr projectiles. The real advantage of the 7.62x51 is the cartridge length in automatic weapons. The shorter case makes extraction easier.
Great video, Thank you for your time and expense. I believe the 150 grain showcases the very best of the 308. If you are looking to do more videoz comparing these two cartridges, the 180 and 200 grain Barnes Bullets might better show the strengths and weaknesses of each. Regards, Brian
308w went throught 11 boards and punched board 12, As did the 06 as it dident make it through board 12 either. There is very little differance between the two cartridges.
30-06 has a lot more ass than .308, it really starts to show when you do steel penetration testing, the 30-06 will typically pen .150" thou deeper than a .308. That's a lot.
Just a question here. Why do you assume that better penetration is more deadly? If you are not going to fight body armor, having that much penetration is not really a good thing. Then you just have to care about what you shoot behind the target, and how much meat you destroy. What is more important is what it does to the body once it hits. Not how many wooden boards it can penetrate. From what I can see, picking between 308 and 30-06 is like picking between Coke and Pepsi. Almost no difference between them and does the same exact job as each other. Only that one is slightly more cheaper than the other.
@@Cloud_Seeker Said that bullet is more deformed (better energy transform) still together with better penetration. This means for sure more deadly if you understand basics of balistics.
@@balkicroatia Actually. It is worse that it has better penetration at that point. You need to understand the basics of physics. If the bullet penetrated to a higher degree that means it dispersed less energy where you actually want it to. If it is better penetrate the body, it means less energy stay in the body as it has more energy to penetrate and leave the body. This is why lead is such a good material to make bullets out of. Unlike steel it deformed easily which it disperse the energy quickly and is more likely to actually stay in the body. The less of the energy escape the body the better. A steel bullet does not transfer energy as well. That is why you need larger steel pellets in a shotgun shell than if you use lead. The steel pellets need to be bigger to be as deadly as the smaller lead pellets. Also saying "more deformed (better energy transform)" is not correct. You are not looking at WHERE it deformed the most. The bullet can have been mostly intact when it actually mattered. You are looking at a bullet that has reached the very end of its course. Not when it actually was inside the body. You are doing a lot of fallacies here that are not necessarily true. I have pointed out that a 30-06 is just about as good in killing a Moose as a 6.5 Swed is. A 6.5 Swed is a weaker bullet. So to argue that the 30-06 is a better bullet is just kind of stupid. The differences are in most realistic situations not that important unless you are trying to shoot things with body armor. To make penetration tests using cinder blocks, wooden planks or ballistic gels all kind of miss the whole point of it. What you should look at is not how well a bullet deforms or how far it penetrate. You should look at what the effect on the body is.
The ballistics between a .308 and 30-06 are very similar. It is by design, the military wanted a cartridge with the same ballistics in a smaller package.
I bought some of the junky bullets in .243 when they first came out. Four rifles that all will shoot .2” to .3” at 200 yards could hit a barn if I was locked inside of it with the Barnes X. The tripple shocks will at least shoot 2 MOA. Lol
Just the fact that the bullet mushroom was larger... With equal penetration.. demonstrates the presence of eight more grains of powder... Thus making a 30-06 Superior, due to its extra capacity and handloading choices of bullet weight...
This just showed up in my recommended. I came to the comments to see just how much butthurt from the 30-06 deciples. Not too bad. 175 grain Terminal Ascent in 308 will take out anything i want in North America so I don't care about heavier bullets which I don't see for sale with factory ammo anyway. The big difference for me was my buddies who are 30-06 guys couldn't get much ammo at all from '21 to '22 while I could buy most of what I wanted. Yes, i rubbed it in.
Difference between the two is, ( 7 yards, 21 feet ) ..... If you run a BDC, hold over reticle scope, A 165 gr barnes in the 3006 will make the two rounds virtually equal . A Primary arms 4x14 scope designated .308 optic will rock Perfectly on your 3006 , Just run a 65Gr. Projectile.
Good info, but it would have been nice to know the velocity of each. Trevor took some data from Hornady, but you didn't specify which load book you were using or powder, so that is an guess. Nice execution.
Nice test medium, however, I would add distance like a true 100 yards, so then it could replicate an actual kill shot at an actual real world distance.
Nice demonstration, but the whole idea behind 30-06 is to push a heavier bullet. I shoot 150gr .308, by the way. It's a great 300-yard hunting round, in my experience.
Maybe in the reloading world, but factory ammo both 308 and 30-06 is most common to find 150gr and 180gr bullets, it's extremely difficult to find anything heavier than a 180gr bullets for the 30-06. 200gr. and 220gr. maybe available in larger suppliers but my experience with finding 30-06 ammo 180gr is the heaviest i ever see.
.308 is the civilian version of 7.62x51, which was intentionally developed to be a shorter, higher pressure version of the 30-06 military ball used in the M1 Garand. There is nothing surprising about the two cases driving a military ball weight (147-150 gr) bullet to equivalent performance. 30-06 really only outperforms .308 when you start to use bullets of 180 gr or larger.
Brother I love what you’re doing, it’s clear you love teaching and having fun. That being said, there’s a safety concern I have. You’re using cut logs for a back stop, single layer. I’m going to suggest and earthen mound for a million times reasons, least of which is the safety of others. In addition, there’s a huge field behind your line of fire that at any time could be occupied by someone out and about (kids). I’m not there so I don’t know how safety conscious you are. I’m sure you want to grow your channel, I’m sure putting a small fortune into your weapons and ammo. Take it one step further, invest in safety, invest in being overly cautious. There’s only you there, make it happen my friend!!
You're making a very wide and rather baseless assumption here. For all you know, that is HIS Private Property and you are being more of a "Karen" than an actual "Caring" observer. Perhaps your concern would be better served if you had made an intelligent inquiry regarding the property and who has access to it rather than making the assumption that Joe Public can just wander onto it at will! That subtle condescending line of BS you lay out here so eloquently is an insult to this young man and his honest intentions. You just naturally "assume" that he is being "unsafe" because you see what you want to see so that you can have what you believe is an opportunity to criticize, but you do not have all of the facts surrounding this circumstance/action/location! You see what a video presents and that is not an entirely clear and absolute picture of the surroundings beyond the subject of what is being presented in the video. I am willing to wager that this young man is very safety conscious and goes out of his way to insure the safety of others at all times. I observe nothing in this video that remotely indicates otherwise, nor suggests that he needs dressing down by anyone regarding "safety".
I'd be curious, if you'd load each running at the same feet per second rather than the max. loading the same ft per second means equal ft lbs . Wouldn't it be a more accurate test.
Either you're thinking of a different projectile, your talking about stacking shots in the same hole 5-6 times or the tree was rotted into corkwood... SMK's are thin-jacketed, non-bonded, and terrible penetrators, hence why they are horrible game bullets for anything other than varmint. I'd believe a plain old M80 ball round would do it through maybe a 14" live tree, but no way on a 40" and fmj's are a lot less likely to deform/shatter than an SMK.
@@mfallen6894 What you need to do is test it before looking like a fool. Any military sniper will talk about a kill through trees, but most non-military think it is BS. SMK is a match grade bullet that our military snipers use on active duty. The bullet doesn't expand, so for hunting the bullet placement is the key, I like the spine shot at 250 yards. You appear to need time using SMK bullets in many areas of the sport, before you can talk. I have been shooting them for 30 years.
@@kensmith8832 Dude, I've used them for years. They are for punching paper and people, not trees... Post a vid and prove it; extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Post a link showing it penetrating 40in of ANY wood. This vid showed 11-12in of Pine, a far less dense wood than maple. I won't be holding my breath as I know damn well a match bullet won't be driving through 3+ feet of tree, lol. A .50BMG? Sure. .338 Lapua or Norma Mag? Maybe. A .308 with a target bullet?! Prove it!
@@mfallen6894 Actually the cone of a 50 BMG has so much bearing area that the bullet will stop faster than you think. I have seen a 900 gr bullet stop inside a golf ball, but the golf ball continued on. It was a pill to find the golf ball.
@@kensmith8832 Are you talking about circumference? If so you need to be more specific since the test was straight-line pentration. A 40in tree (lets say it's totally round) 2pi * r = 40 r = 20/pi so 20/3.14 = 6.37in x 2 = 12.74in 12.74in I can believe (even though I've seen SMK's disintegrate when hitting feral hog shoulders) but I'd give you the benefit of the doubt on 12.74in.
X bullets and ttsx's dont open up well past 200 in my .308. They pencilled through on a few occasions. I go the direct opposite these days.. I Shoot SST' which open quickly near and far. I've shot does at 400 with quick results.
Not a firearms expert by a long shot but if you get a head shot to a grizzly with either of these guns if he doesn't die you would have enough time at the least to finish him off. Impressive.
I very much do not believe that you have time if you hit a bear in the head and it didn't go down. If it doesn't go down after a bullet like this, it means you missed and didn't hit it in the head.
There both a 150gr bullet 308 is loaded to max by 308 loading manual and 30-06 is loaded to the max by 30-06 manual so im not sure what your getting at here
@@boltactionballistics to see what I'm getting at, load the 30.06 with 180 grain vs 308 with 150 grain. if you don't like that load both at 180, then at 200
Thx for showing and the vid. Close distance the 30-06 will hit w higher speed and mushroom more. Rhus stopping faster. At longer range +100m the difference would be greater. More penetration due to less deformation.
@@boltactionballistics Thanks for the reply. Given those fps numbers, it's not a surprise that the '06 edged out the .308. At such close range, I'd be surprised if there was much ofa difference.
150 grains is not the 30-06's best Bullet Weight - you're just wasting powder and carrying excess rifle/cartridge weight .. the 30-06 will outperform the 308 at 180 - 220 Grains .. especially with a modern Ballistically Aerodynamic Boat-tail Bullet ..
Oh I know 180gr. Bullets shoot/group better than the 150gr. Bullets, my plan is to reload 200gr. Bullets for this gun, but that still isn't going to stop me from having fun with 150gr. Bullet plinking, target practice, and so on... A Day out on the range is aways a fun day.
Did I count wrong..cus I thought each bullet only went through 11 boards...The only different was the 30-06 stuck, shallowly I might add, in the 12th board, where as the .308 bounced off.
This is entirely predictable. Judging from hornady loading data for 150gr .308 dia bullets: 308win can achieve approx 2750fps 30/06 can achieve approx 2950fps That is a 7.3% increase 1.073 X 11 boards = 11.8 boards which matches your result. This math is oversimplified though... if you use energy at 5yds not velocity you get: 308: 2500ftlb 30/06: 2878ftlb which is a 15% increase... this would predict 1.15 X 11 = 12.7 boards which is not what happened. Notice though... the faster bullet produced a larger expanded mushroom diameter which means more damage to the boards it penetrated which caused more energy to dissipate which reduced the penetration. Some people like to claim equivalence between 308 and 30/06 which is an irrational claim by the numbers... What 308 is... is adequate for most hunting applications that people use 30/06 for. I personally like to hunt with 300WSM and 308WIN... The 30/06 sits almost halfway between these two in performance. The 30/06 is a sweet traditional caliber that is a great choice particularly if you wish to own only one hunting rifle for every type of north american game. Cheers.
@@donaldbougie694 Individual results will always vary from book values depending on so many variables. 308WIN is an excellent cartridge indeed! When I want more, my go to is 300WSM which pushes 168gr TTSX to 2960fps. My 308 pushes 168gr ELDM to 2700fps and 150gr TTSX to 2800fps. out of a 20" barrel...Ain't nothing wrong with that!
It's not a stupid test,, get different results on different types and brands of bullets in the same caliber, the only way to find out test results is to try it out, and there's nothing stupid about it..
The deformation on the 30-06 is far more than the 308. It looks almost double. Very impressive
That was a very well presented penetration test! I gave the 06 13 boards... That you took the time to construct the spacers and place the boards as you did made this test one of the best ones that I have seen. Well done!
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Nice fair test of two great rounds , and that is one sweet 06 rifle ya got there 👍👍🇺🇸
The two cartridges are ballistic twins until you go past 165 gr projectiles. The real advantage of the 7.62x51 is the cartridge length in automatic weapons. The shorter case makes extraction easier.
Great demonstration, I would like to see the same comparison done at 100 yards though.
Both are an awesome round and pretty much equal to each other. But I favor the 06
Well done, enjoyed. As others indicated your targets are well constructed. Thank you. Subscribed
Sweet looking 30-06 rifle. That was a close match between the two.
Good video thx. I always wondered the result of that comparison 👍
you're comparison is so logical. congratulation
Great video, Thank you for your time and expense. I believe the 150 grain showcases the very best of the 308. If you are looking to do more videoz comparing these two cartridges, the 180 and 200 grain Barnes Bullets might better show the strengths and weaknesses of each. Regards, Brian
Nice testing !!!
Thanks for the video ❤❤❤
That's about what I expected!
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Na Zdrowie! from the U.S.A. John. 🇺🇸 🇵🇱
Great video, Thank you for your time and expense👍👍🤝🤝+
Buen video bro .
If you really want to see the 06 lick it, compare them with 220 grain bullets!
I have that same color pattern Boyd thumb hole stock, on my Savage 30-06, sharp
308w went throught 11 boards and punched board 12, As did the 06 as it dident make it through board 12 either. There is very little differance between the two cartridges.
except the 06 was moving a double wide through # 11 and into 12
More than you think.
30-06 has a lot more ass than .308, it really starts to show when you do steel penetration testing, the 30-06 will typically pen .150" thou deeper than a .308. That's a lot.
Look the expantion of bullets. There is a diference and it is big.
It you think that they are equals you're foolish.
Almost double deformation + still better penetration says that effect on target was/would be significantly more deady for 30-06.
Just a question here. Why do you assume that better penetration is more deadly? If you are not going to fight body armor, having that much penetration is not really a good thing. Then you just have to care about what you shoot behind the target, and how much meat you destroy.
What is more important is what it does to the body once it hits. Not how many wooden boards it can penetrate. From what I can see, picking between 308 and 30-06 is like picking between Coke and Pepsi. Almost no difference between them and does the same exact job as each other. Only that one is slightly more cheaper than the other.
@@Cloud_Seeker Said that bullet is more deformed (better energy transform) still together with better penetration. This means for sure more deadly if you understand basics of balistics.
@@balkicroatia Actually. It is worse that it has better penetration at that point. You need to understand the basics of physics. If the bullet penetrated to a higher degree that means it dispersed less energy where you actually want it to. If it is better penetrate the body, it means less energy stay in the body as it has more energy to penetrate and leave the body.
This is why lead is such a good material to make bullets out of. Unlike steel it deformed easily which it disperse the energy quickly and is more likely to actually stay in the body. The less of the energy escape the body the better. A steel bullet does not transfer energy as well. That is why you need larger steel pellets in a shotgun shell than if you use lead. The steel pellets need to be bigger to be as deadly as the smaller lead pellets.
Also saying "more deformed (better energy transform)" is not correct. You are not looking at WHERE it deformed the most. The bullet can have been mostly intact when it actually mattered. You are looking at a bullet that has reached the very end of its course. Not when it actually was inside the body.
You are doing a lot of fallacies here that are not necessarily true. I have pointed out that a 30-06 is just about as good in killing a Moose as a 6.5 Swed is. A 6.5 Swed is a weaker bullet. So to argue that the 30-06 is a better bullet is just kind of stupid. The differences are in most realistic situations not that important unless you are trying to shoot things with body armor.
To make penetration tests using cinder blocks, wooden planks or ballistic gels all kind of miss the whole point of it. What you should look at is not how well a bullet deforms or how far it penetrate. You should look at what the effect on the body is.
Thank god there's another .308 vs. .30-06 comparison 🤣
The ballistics between a .308 and 30-06 are very similar. It is by design, the military wanted a cartridge with the same ballistics in a smaller package.
Thanks genius
Interesting video
Thenks
Genial! 👍😊
Crazy how powerful
I bought some of the junky bullets in .243 when they first came out. Four rifles that all will shoot .2” to .3” at 200 yards could hit a barn if I was locked inside of it with the Barnes X. The tripple shocks will at least shoot 2 MOA. Lol
Before watching the video, here’s my prediction: Same bullet, more speed… it’s going to win the test.
And also would be nice to see a longer range.. 100 to 150 yds.. more room for misses though..well done comparison.
Just the fact that the bullet mushroom was larger... With equal penetration.. demonstrates the presence of eight more grains of powder... Thus making a 30-06 Superior, due to its extra capacity and handloading choices of bullet weight...
Check out my 308 vs. 30-06 ice penetration test with factory loads
I'm a .308 fan but you are correct.More boiler room=more gas.
Sweet
This just showed up in my recommended. I came to the comments to see just how much butthurt from the 30-06 deciples. Not too bad.
175 grain Terminal Ascent in 308 will take out anything i want in North America so I don't care about heavier bullets which I don't see for sale with factory ammo anyway.
The big difference for me was my buddies who are 30-06 guys couldn't get much ammo at all from '21 to '22 while I could buy most of what I wanted. Yes, i rubbed it in.
good vdo
Take a shot drink every time he says "OK."
OK 😂
Difference between the two is, ( 7 yards, 21 feet ) ..... If you run a BDC, hold over reticle scope, A 165 gr barnes in the 3006 will make the two rounds virtually equal . A Primary arms 4x14 scope designated .308 optic will rock Perfectly on your 3006 , Just run a 65Gr. Projectile.
Good info, but it would have been nice to know the velocity of each. Trevor took some data from Hornady, but you didn't specify which load book you were using or powder, so that is an guess. Nice execution.
Or barrel lengths
Nive bullet , rifle . Love that barnes bullet . Bravo
Nice test medium, however, I would add distance like a true 100 yards, so then it could replicate an actual kill shot at an actual real world distance.
Nice demonstration, but the whole idea behind 30-06 is to push a heavier bullet. I shoot 150gr .308, by the way. It's a great 300-yard hunting round, in my experience.
Maybe in the reloading world, but factory ammo both 308 and 30-06 is most common to find 150gr and 180gr bullets, it's extremely difficult to find anything heavier than a 180gr bullets for the 30-06. 200gr. and 220gr. maybe available in larger suppliers but my experience with finding 30-06 ammo 180gr is the heaviest i ever see.
30 odds 6 opened up way better and still penetrated more impressive
Now do it at 100 yards, longer would be better, but longer than the test will allow the bullet to fully stabilize
It’s more about the energy dump.
Be nice to see 30-06 vs .270 win
Love .308👍👍👍👍
30-06,long cartrige,no power.
.308 is the civilian version of 7.62x51, which was intentionally developed to be a shorter, higher pressure version of the 30-06 military ball used in the M1 Garand. There is nothing surprising about the two cases driving a military ball weight (147-150 gr) bullet to equivalent performance. 30-06 really only outperforms .308 when you start to use bullets of 180 gr or larger.
Another history genius..
@@theowenssailingdiary5239 You should check out Philip B. Sharpe's work.
Brother I love what you’re doing, it’s clear you love teaching and having fun. That being said, there’s a safety concern I have. You’re using cut logs for a back stop, single layer. I’m going to suggest and earthen mound for a million times reasons, least of which is the safety of others. In addition, there’s a huge field behind your line of fire that at any time could be occupied by someone out and about (kids). I’m not there so I don’t know how safety conscious you are. I’m sure you want to grow your channel, I’m sure putting a small fortune into your weapons and ammo. Take it one step further, invest in safety, invest in being overly cautious. There’s only you there, make it happen my friend!!
You're making a very wide and rather baseless assumption here. For all you know, that is HIS Private Property and you are being more of a "Karen" than an actual "Caring" observer.
Perhaps your concern would be better served if you had made an intelligent inquiry regarding the property and who has access to it rather than making the assumption that Joe Public can just wander onto it at will!
That subtle condescending line of BS you lay out here so eloquently is an insult to this young man and his honest intentions. You just naturally "assume" that he is being "unsafe" because you see what you want to see so that you can have what you believe is an opportunity to criticize, but you do not have all of the facts surrounding this circumstance/action/location! You see what a video presents and that is not an entirely clear and absolute picture of the surroundings beyond the subject of what is being presented in the video.
I am willing to wager that this young man is very safety conscious and goes out of his way to insure the safety of others at all times. I observe nothing in this video that remotely indicates otherwise, nor suggests that he needs dressing down by anyone regarding "safety".
🗣Sir, WHAT was the grain weight of the Barnes X bullets ? And WHAT velocities were they running ? SEMPER FI 🇺🇸
Both a 150gr Barnes bullets
using the same type rifle and barrel length would make a more fair test....
I'd be curious, if you'd load each running at the same feet per second rather than the max. loading the same ft per second means equal ft lbs . Wouldn't it be a more accurate test.
Why in earth would you do that? That doesn't test anything at all.
Interesting test. What was the difference in barrel lengths between the two rifles?
The 30-06 has a 22in and 308 has 21in barrel.
@@boltactionballistics It,s not the same barrel.
@@boltactionballistics Cool. Thanks for doing that. Are they the same twist?
A 308 loaded with 175gr Sierra Match King will pass through a 40" maple tree. The SMK doesn't mushroom, so the bullet designs are key to penetration.
Either you're thinking of a different projectile, your talking about stacking shots in the same hole 5-6 times or the tree was rotted into corkwood... SMK's are thin-jacketed, non-bonded, and terrible penetrators, hence why they are horrible game bullets for anything other than varmint. I'd believe a plain old M80 ball round would do it through maybe a 14" live tree, but no way on a 40" and fmj's are a lot less likely to deform/shatter than an SMK.
@@mfallen6894 What you need to do is test it before looking like a fool. Any military sniper will talk about a kill through trees, but most non-military think it is BS. SMK is a match grade bullet that our military snipers use on active duty. The bullet doesn't expand, so for hunting the bullet placement is the key, I like the spine shot at 250 yards. You appear to need time using SMK bullets in many areas of the sport, before you can talk. I have been shooting them for 30 years.
@@kensmith8832 Dude, I've used them for years. They are for punching paper and people, not trees...
Post a vid and prove it; extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Post a link showing it penetrating 40in of ANY wood. This vid showed 11-12in of Pine, a far less dense wood than maple.
I won't be holding my breath as I know damn well a match bullet won't be driving through 3+ feet of tree, lol. A .50BMG? Sure. .338 Lapua or Norma Mag? Maybe. A .308 with a target bullet?! Prove it!
@@mfallen6894 Actually the cone of a 50 BMG has so much bearing area that the bullet will stop faster than you think. I have seen a 900 gr bullet stop inside a golf ball, but the golf ball continued on. It was a pill to find the golf ball.
@@kensmith8832 Are you talking about circumference? If so you need to be more specific since the test was straight-line pentration.
A 40in tree (lets say it's totally round)
2pi * r = 40
r = 20/pi so 20/3.14 = 6.37in x 2 = 12.74in
12.74in I can believe (even though I've seen SMK's disintegrate when hitting feral hog shoulders) but I'd give you the benefit of the doubt on 12.74in.
Where do you get those bullets? I used to use them but last I knew they discontinued them years ago.
Yeah there are discontinued but I still have a few left.
X bullets and ttsx's dont open up well past 200 in my .308. They pencilled through on a few occasions. I go the direct opposite these days.. I Shoot SST' which open quickly near and far. I've shot does at 400 with quick results.
Yeah, I've wondered about that 150gr and heavier probably don't expand as good as they should at that range.. I also have ttsx in 110gr and 130gr
Ah yes! The 7.62x51 vs 7.62x63
I'm pretty sure that the 7.62x63 won't perform better than 7.62x51 👌
Grain refers to the weight of the bullet projectile, not the powder.
Yes the powder is measured in grains when reloading.
Now try that at 250 yards, I’d like to see the difference.
very impressive but board not shoot back
"This goes to 11" Yes, but this goes to 12! One more better.
One more better, but also a much bigger wound channel because of the greater expansion due to higher impact velocity.
Not a firearms expert by a long shot but if you get a head shot to a grizzly with either of these guns if he doesn't die you would have enough time at the least to finish him off. Impressive.
I very much do not believe that you have time if you hit a bear in the head and it didn't go down. If it doesn't go down after a bullet like this, it means you missed and didn't hit it in the head.
If it doesn't go down after a bullet like this, its because you used a bullet like this.. @@Cloud_Seeker
fair isn't making both 150 grain, fair would be to use the most powerful, off the shelf 308 load vs the most powerful 30.06 load
There both a 150gr bullet 308 is loaded to max by 308 loading manual and 30-06 is loaded to the max by 30-06 manual so im not sure what your getting at here
@@boltactionballistics to see what I'm getting at, load the 30.06 with 180 grain vs 308 with 150 grain. if you don't like that load both at 180, then at 200
It’s really quite simple, when the bullets weigh the same the one with more powder gives you better performance. No need for a test
That's a lot of powder for it to only go 1inch farther. I wonder what would happen if I'd put the same amount of powder in it?? Let me test it
Thx for showing and the vid.
Close distance the 30-06 will hit w higher speed and mushroom more. Rhus stopping faster. At longer range +100m the difference would be greater. More penetration due to less deformation.
Great to see a member of the lgbtq community doing videos like this.
🗣If the day ever comes that I need to HUNT pine 🌲 boards …my choice of caliber will be the .30/06 🤠
SEMPER FI 🇺🇸
bla bla blaaa, try that at 400yds! distance is where the 06 outshines the little bro!
Wound channel will be larger with 30-06
Pretty sure you will kill anything no matter what. It is a matter of shot placement.
Barrel lengths? Muzzle velocities?
308 20in barrel and 30-06 22in and according to the book i loaded these rounds to it says 308 2880 fps. And 30-06 3000fps
@@boltactionballistics Thanks for the reply. Given those fps numbers, it's not a surprise that the '06 edged out the .308. At such close range, I'd be surprised if there was much ofa difference.
I always wondered which was the fastest, always heard 308 was the fastest, but proven not so, pretty close
Same barrel length?
308 is 20in barrel and 30-06 is 22in.
My uncle royal made those bullets and barnes did not give him credit for making it
Is that true?
308 has a better range and velocity. Vs 06. Good vid
backwards.
150 grains is not the 30-06's best Bullet Weight - you're just wasting powder and carrying excess rifle/cartridge weight .. the 30-06 will outperform the 308 at 180 - 220 Grains .. especially with a modern Ballistically Aerodynamic Boat-tail Bullet ..
Oh I know 180gr. Bullets shoot/group better than the 150gr. Bullets, my plan is to reload 200gr. Bullets for this gun, but that still isn't going to stop me from having fun with 150gr. Bullet plinking, target practice, and so on... A Day out on the range is aways a fun day.
Did I count wrong..cus I thought each bullet only went through 11 boards...The only different was the 30-06 stuck, shallowly I might add, in the 12th board, where as the .308 bounced off.
Yes you have reason.
This is entirely predictable. Judging from hornady loading data for 150gr .308 dia bullets:
308win can achieve approx 2750fps
30/06 can achieve approx 2950fps
That is a 7.3% increase
1.073 X 11 boards = 11.8 boards which matches your result.
This math is oversimplified though... if you use energy at 5yds not velocity you get:
308: 2500ftlb
30/06: 2878ftlb
which is a 15% increase... this would predict 1.15 X 11 = 12.7 boards
which is not what happened. Notice though... the faster bullet produced a larger expanded mushroom diameter which means more damage to the boards it penetrated which caused more energy to dissipate which reduced the penetration.
Some people like to claim equivalence between 308 and 30/06 which is an irrational claim by the numbers... What 308 is... is adequate for most hunting applications that people use 30/06 for. I personally like to hunt with 300WSM and 308WIN... The 30/06 sits almost halfway between these two in performance. The 30/06 is a sweet traditional caliber that is a great choice particularly if you wish to own only one hunting rifle for every type of north american game. Cheers.
It,s false,i had testing on my 2 chrono and the 30-06 run at 2835 fps and the 308 run at 2763 with 24 inchs barrel,i,m very surprise.
@@donaldbougie694 Individual results will always vary from book values depending on so many variables. 308WIN is an excellent cartridge indeed! When I want more, my go to is 300WSM which pushes 168gr TTSX to 2960fps. My 308 pushes 168gr ELDM to 2700fps and 150gr TTSX to 2800fps. out of a 20" barrel...Ain't nothing wrong with that!
you slowed down the 3006 by having a brake on it.
Brakes don't affect velocity.
Lots of butthurt 308 owners here 😅
I didn't see any.
Why do you say that?
Stupid test. We all know that both will penetrate what they were designed for.
It's not a stupid test,, get different results on different types and brands of bullets in the same caliber, the only way to find out test results is to try it out, and there's nothing stupid about it..
Same bullet, different primers, different powder loads.
This is mixing apples and oranges.
Waste of time, not worth watching.
Same primer, same powders, same bullets, even same pieces of wood.