Greg Suddreth, Paul Dunton class action law suit; New Jersey In Nov. 2011, a New Jersey federal judge tossed out a class action brought by 2 MB owners with this problem. The judge stated that the plaintiffs didn't have enough evidence to prove that MB knew about the problem and were hiding it to avoid paying repairs costs under limited warranty despite the fact that the plaintiffs presented a bulletin from MB informing technicians how to fix the very gear problem that this video is describing. I'm curious to see what the dealer I bought mine from says about it when I call him shortly. I have a feeling they knew about the defect since I bought it in late 2010 and the bulletin was out there and the class action had been filed. Regardless of the outcome of the case, it is obvious that Mercedes Benz knew the sprockets would come off prematurely and so did the dealers.
they knew from day-1 what would happen to soft steel in an engine 😂 Now that this is all sayed and done, Benz is using soft chains that stretch prematurely along with loose tensioners that bang on the chain from low pressure. If Benz was really trying to build good cars they would not be on par with VW sub-quality. Circling the drain with: Plastic pulleys, plastic timing covers, soft chains short lived lubricants economy sized gaskets etc ... hence the steep depreciation clearly indicating lack of real value
I discovered many codes (MB '06, c230, 6-cyl, 145k miles) when I took possession of the car from my daughter. P0016, P0017, P0301 thru P0304 (1-4 cyl. misfires), and 2 system lean codes. I had my mechanic replace the spark plugs, ignition coils, and intake manifold (broken flapper assembly, various holes) which took care of the misfires. Now, I am learning about these 2 wonderful codes you are discussing here. I doubt my mechanic can do this job as it took him 6 weeks to do the plugs, coils, and IM. It's research time before I decide what to do. I already had a rotor/brake job done $850, replaced 2 bent rims, 2 new tires, and an oil change. And now this? The car drives, but not like it should. Should I sell it? Part it out? I would appreciate your opinion. The body looks pretty good, very sexy looking car. I have about $3 grand in repairs/upkeep now, not counting $3500 in payments over the last year. It's been an expensive lesson and maybe I should get it off my balance sheet while I still have one.
My engine runs good and no Leaks but I do have an engine light on ..cam shaft cranking correlation sensor A&B are indicating note I have no leaks and th engine starts smooth do I have an expensive repair or just a minor thing It’s a Mercedes e350 2010 OBD (P0016,P0017,P2422)
My engine runs good and no Leaks but I do have an engine light on ..cam shaft cranking correlation sensor A&B are indicating note I have no leaks and th engine starts smooth do I have an expensive repair or just a minor thing It’s a Mercedes e350 2010
Thanx..you rock!.. amazing quick response...been watching ur videos all day trying to soak in ur wisdom...am a mechanic here in Calif over 40 yrs...can't find reference to checking timing on that 4.7 , client wants me to drive out to him, 70miles, and throw parts at it (cam sensor, magnet VVT and /or crank sensor
@@milesmahan make sure you have the timing tools, you’ll have to lock the cams to change the sprockets, super easy if you have the tools. I can send you the specs if you need them
so if my timing is correct then its going to be cam sensors? and where do the VVT solenoids come in to play with this? ive heard of this issue being fixed by replacing those
@David: unless your engine is less than 80K miles, why go through all the troubles of replacing this, replacing that-but not swap out for an engine with less than 100K miles? My car has 163K, code 1208. However at 305 degree, intake cam (inner) is at center, outlet cam (outer) is off center. What exactly does that mean?
@David: I love my C300 which has almost no other issue and would like to keep it for a few more years. Now, P0017 is gone (after replaced magnet, sensor and wiring harness). However, P0016 occasionally comes back randomly every 5-10 days despite its stamp is right at center which should not be the cause in the first place? I am going to replace the pigtail wiring harness (similar to how I resolve the P0017) and then doing engine flush, replace with 0W-20 oil hopefully for the cam actuator/phaser to work more smoothly. What do you think?
I have a Mercedes c200 W204 2007 model and its coming up with a P0017 code. I just purchased this car a few months ago. It looked like the oil was not changed that often. what options would I be looking at to resolve this issue? will i need to do a camshaft-crankshaft alignment which looks like an expensive process.
Hey Dave, I’m going through the same issue!! I did everything that you said on the videos by turning my camshaft But it stop turning so I spoke to a mechanic that was going to diagnose the issue and what he’s saying that I destroyed the engine by turning the shaft. Is that possible?
I have a 2012 Mercedes Sprinter with a 3.0 turbo diesel and when I took the oil pan off it was full of needle bearings is that the balance shaft bearing? I never seen this before
David Northrup no, most likely bearings on the crank shaft.. why did you take the oil pan cover off to begin with?? How many miles on your truck? I had a lot of bad experience with this engines.. but in the over all they are not bad engines
Hi ....I have a Vito CDI 115 (2005) model .....the clutch is playing up ...cant get gears when engine is running ....but gears are very smooth when engine off ....I have bled clutch with appropriate method ...yet its still the same when i try engage the gears when Vito running it gives a humming noise as i try get the gear ...My question is ...Is it difficult to replace the clutch on my Vito ...I have all the tools but is it something i could do ?
damn this problem is a PITA .... 2011 GLK 350 186000 , P0016(1200) pop first ... and after 2 minutes P0017(1208) pop too, if i erease the code, restart the car, the code doesn't popup, it's pop only if i push hard the gaz pedal .... Tomorow i will open it to check if the punch are alignment ...
@@MercedesBenzTechs .... I hoped it was only the Camshaft Magnet.... but S**T it' will cost a leg and an arm for the chain loll ! Ty for your respond ....
@MBT of Atlanta Mercedes Master Techs: I had a little bit different sequence: used to be P0016 and P0017. After replaced magnet, sensor and wiring on exhaust side, now P0017 is gone (despite its stamp is retard by half a tooth). On the intake side; however, despite stamp is at center, magnet and sensor have been replaced too-but then P0016 still occurs randomly every 5-10 days or 100-200 miles? Could old oil leak got into the pigtail wiring harness to create that random P0016 for no good reason-while engine run without any issue whatsoever? Thank you for your thought.
waltronics43 if your car is made between 2006 and 2007 and you have the 272 engine. The shaft gear wears out and you get a check engine light for incorrect timing.
Now I know why the finance manager at Bill Holt in Canton, Ga. wanted me to purchase the extended warranty so bad. I plainly remember the awful look on his face when I declined it. It wasn't the usual, "OK, you'll be fine without it". It was "You seriously need to get this extended warranty, no joke", shaking his head in dismay at my decision. Not that it would have made any difference unless it cover for 150K miles. And who know if they would have even covered this failure?
I have a 2006 ML350 I replaced all the coils and I replaced the crankshaft sensor in the back of the block right above it there is another sensor that is loose and when I touch it it shuts my car off I looked cuz I it looks like a camshaft sensor but the diagram say that it's located in the front of the block does anybody know what this sensor is and why it shutting my car off
Mike Mcfarland it’s the engine temperature sensor and it is a little loose, it’s normal but it shouldn’t turn the engine off, something else turning your engine off, check your crack shaft sensor wires, make sure they don’t touch the block.
Mercedes Benz Techs Also I replaced the crankshaft sensor it's secure and wires good I replaced all coils and the computer still says crankshaft 4 codes
@MBT Dave: instead of “retard”, my M272 shows right intake camshaft is in fixed 36.2 degree advanced? Funny thing is, at low speed, it fluctuates 0-36 degree well; even at high speed, it advanced to 20-30 degree only. But then when I slow down, it moves back to idle position (advanced max at 36.2 degree) and then got stuck there?? What do you think is the problem? I am guessing Cam adjuster worn (especially the pin and area around the pin)?
It has been all over the forums for years now since 2008; many were failing within 50-60,000 miles. Some were under warranty, many just outside. I hope my issue gets resolved in a civilized manner. I wonder what the top heads at MB were thinking when they first realized they had this huge issue with the M272 & M273 engines and the potential cost to their company. Of course, the judge isn't going to let the consumers win over the big motor boys because they are all sucking on the same titties. When you've got hundreds or thousands of MB owners complaining and the part failing all over the world, why wouldn't you recall the autos and fix the problem? That is the right thing to do, isn't it? So the lesson here is do your research before you buy, because I didn't and I wish I had. Avoid buying new cars from dealers. Buy used cars that have a solid track record. I think Hondas would hold up pretty good but I'm no expert. I doubt MB will meet me half way on this based on their record. But we'll see.
Hey there I've got a 96 S320 in line 6 crank pulley and damper bolt came loose. upon inspection harmonic balancer / damper was also spinning free. I noticed timing numbers on balancer and I know those numbers are supposed to be positioned in a certain spot. I am unaware of where it was positioned before bolt came loose. I see the notch on the engine that these numbers are supposed to line up with I was told I could only have to re-tighten crank bolt, but what number on the balancer is supposed to line up with notch on engine. asap response please I am without my car and I'd like to try and fix it myself because I can't afford a mechanic
Gracias. Excelente trabajo. Muy buena explicación. Woowww
Thanks so much for all videos and I'm learning something
Greg Suddreth, Paul Dunton class action law suit; New Jersey
In Nov. 2011, a New Jersey federal judge tossed out a class action brought by 2 MB owners with this problem. The judge stated that the plaintiffs didn't have enough evidence to prove that MB knew about the problem and were hiding it to avoid paying repairs costs under limited warranty despite the fact that the plaintiffs presented a bulletin from MB informing technicians how to fix the very gear problem that this video is describing. I'm curious to see what the dealer I bought mine from says about it when I call him shortly. I have a feeling they knew about the defect since I bought it in late 2010 and the bulletin was out there and the class action had been filed. Regardless of the outcome of the case, it is obvious that Mercedes Benz knew the sprockets would come off prematurely and so did the dealers.
they knew from day-1 what would happen to soft steel in an engine 😂
Now that this is all sayed and done, Benz is using soft chains that stretch prematurely along with loose tensioners that bang on the chain from low pressure.
If Benz was really trying to build good cars they would not be on par with VW sub-quality.
Circling the drain with:
Plastic pulleys,
plastic timing covers,
soft chains
short lived lubricants
economy sized gaskets
etc ...
hence the steep depreciation clearly indicating lack of real value
I discovered many codes (MB '06, c230, 6-cyl, 145k miles) when I took possession of the car from my daughter. P0016, P0017, P0301 thru P0304 (1-4 cyl. misfires), and 2 system lean codes. I had my mechanic replace the spark plugs, ignition coils, and intake manifold (broken flapper assembly, various holes) which took care of the misfires. Now, I am learning about these 2 wonderful codes you are discussing here. I doubt my mechanic can do this job as it took him 6 weeks to do the plugs, coils, and IM. It's research time before I decide what to do. I already had a rotor/brake job done $850, replaced 2 bent rims, 2 new tires, and an oil change. And now this? The car drives, but not like it should. Should I sell it? Part it out? I would appreciate your opinion. The body looks pretty good, very sexy looking car. I have about $3 grand in repairs/upkeep now, not counting $3500 in payments over the last year. It's been an expensive lesson and maybe I should get it off my balance sheet while I still have one.
Hi thanks for posting. I have a 2007 with the same issue. Would it be possible to pull the motor without the transmission?
My engine runs good and no Leaks but I do have an engine light on ..cam shaft cranking correlation sensor A&B are indicating note I have no leaks and th engine starts smooth do I have an expensive repair or just a minor thing
It’s a Mercedes e350 2010
OBD (P0016,P0017,P2422)
It might be cheaper to drop another motor in, no? But a bad part is a bad part. All the motors have the bad part, correct?
My engine runs good and no Leaks but I do have an engine light on ..cam shaft cranking correlation sensor A&B are indicating note I have no leaks and th engine starts smooth do I have an expensive repair or just a minor thing
It’s a Mercedes e350 2010
David, you changed the cam balancer but how did you know about the metal shards in the oil pan? What shaved off?
Question..2013 SL550 (4.6v8bi-turbo?)...are inspection marks same? Crank at305 and centered circles on cam? Got P0016
Nope
Thanx..you rock!.. amazing quick response...been watching ur videos all day trying to soak in ur wisdom...am a mechanic here in Calif over 40 yrs...can't find reference to checking timing on that 4.7 , client wants me to drive out to him, 70miles, and throw parts at it (cam sensor, magnet VVT and /or crank sensor
@@milesmahan make sure you have the timing tools, you’ll have to lock the cams to change the sprockets, super easy if you have the tools. I can send you the specs if you need them
@@MercedesBenzTechs yes please...I have the timing tools for 1.8 turbo 2013 c250 , not likely same 😜....thanx!!
Please do a series of videos that covers how to disconnect the motor and pulling it out.
so if my timing is correct then its going to be cam sensors? and where do the VVT solenoids come in to play with this? ive heard of this issue being fixed by replacing those
Cam sensors probably not since they do read the timing.. it can be the advance timing actuators or pulsation plates in front of the cam gears..
@David: unless your engine is less than 80K miles, why go through all the troubles of replacing this, replacing that-but not swap out for an engine with less than 100K miles? My car has 163K, code 1208. However at 305 degree, intake cam (inner) is at center, outlet cam (outer) is off center. What exactly does that mean?
It sounds like you are off timing.. but I agree you can just swap the engine, they are much cheaper today than they were 10 years ago..
@David: I love my C300 which has almost no other issue and would like to keep it for a few more years. Now, P0017 is gone (after replaced magnet, sensor and wiring harness). However, P0016 occasionally comes back randomly every 5-10 days despite its stamp is right at center which should not be the cause in the first place? I am going to replace the pigtail wiring harness (similar to how I resolve the P0017) and then doing engine flush, replace with 0W-20 oil hopefully for the cam actuator/phaser to work more smoothly. What do you think?
I have a Mercedes c200 W204 2007 model and its coming up with a P0017 code. I just purchased this car a few months ago. It looked like the oil was not changed that often. what options would I be looking at to resolve this issue? will i need to do a camshaft-crankshaft alignment which looks like an expensive process.
What was it bro I have same issue?
Hey Dave, I’m going through the same issue!! I did everything that you said on the videos by turning my camshaft But it stop turning so I spoke to a mechanic that was going to diagnose the issue and what he’s saying that I destroyed the engine by turning the shaft. Is that possible?
I never heard that before, how would you Destroyed the engine by turning the shaft?
When turning the camshafts I think he thinks you can bend you valves since they shift up and down as you rotate camshaft
I have a 2012 Mercedes Sprinter with a 3.0 turbo diesel and when I took the oil pan off it was full of needle bearings is that the balance shaft bearing? I never seen this before
David Northrup no, most likely bearings on the crank shaft.. why did you take the oil pan cover off to begin with?? How many miles on your truck? I had a lot of bad experience with this engines.. but in the over all they are not bad engines
Hi ....I have a Vito CDI 115 (2005) model .....the clutch is playing up ...cant get gears when engine is running ....but gears are very smooth when engine off ....I have bled clutch with appropriate method ...yet its still the same when i try engage the gears when Vito running it gives a humming noise as i try get the gear ...My question is ...Is it difficult to replace the clutch on my Vito ...I have all the tools but is it something i could do ?
@@Drew70721 it's the clutch bearing that has gone bad.
All manual cars get bad clutch bearing but Benz is purposely 2x earlier from cheap parts.
what would something like this cost
Roughly $7,000
@@MercedesBenzTechs oh wow!
damn this problem is a PITA .... 2011 GLK 350 186000 , P0016(1200) pop first ... and after 2 minutes P0017(1208) pop too, if i erease the code, restart the car, the code doesn't popup, it's pop only if i push hard the gaz pedal ....
Tomorow i will open it to check if the punch are alignment ...
Than you need timing chain.
@@MercedesBenzTechs .... I hoped it was only the Camshaft Magnet.... but S**T it' will cost a leg and an arm for the chain loll ! Ty for your respond ....
@MBT of Atlanta Mercedes Master Techs: I had a little bit different sequence: used to be P0016 and P0017. After replaced magnet, sensor and wiring on exhaust side, now P0017 is gone (despite its stamp is retard by half a tooth). On the intake side; however, despite stamp is at center, magnet and sensor have been replaced too-but then P0016 still occurs randomly every 5-10 days or 100-200 miles? Could old oil leak got into the pigtail wiring harness to create that random P0016 for no good reason-while engine run without any issue whatsoever? Thank you for your thought.
what are the indication of a bad camshaft balancer
waltronics43 if your car is made between 2006 and 2007 and you have the 272 engine.
The shaft gear wears out and you get a check engine light for incorrect timing.
@@MercedesBenzTechs I have a p0022 code on my 2006 c350 help me out what could it be bro? Thanks
The mechanic should have told the owner of the car " your car is gone, buy another ".
I have code p0016 and p2006 what it can be?
Hi David,
Where is the bank 1 sensor A on ML350 2008 ? Thank you
That is correct. Bank 2 is driver side
I'd sell the car and buy another one.
Now I know why the finance manager at Bill Holt in Canton, Ga. wanted me to purchase the extended warranty so bad. I plainly remember the awful look on his face when I declined it. It wasn't the usual, "OK, you'll be fine without it". It was "You seriously need to get this extended warranty, no joke", shaking his head in dismay at my decision. Not that it would have made any difference unless it cover for 150K miles. And who know if they would have even covered this failure?
I have a 2006 ML350 I replaced all the coils and I replaced the crankshaft sensor in the back of the block right above it there is another sensor that is loose and when I touch it it shuts my car off I looked cuz I it looks like a camshaft sensor but the diagram say that it's located in the front of the block does anybody know what this sensor is and why it shutting my car off
Mike Mcfarland it’s the engine temperature sensor and it is a little loose, it’s normal but it shouldn’t turn the engine off, something else turning your engine off, check your crack shaft sensor wires, make sure they don’t touch the block.
Mercedes Benz Techs
It looks like a camshaft sensor it's in the back right above the crank shaft sensor and if I touch it turns the car off
Mercedes Benz Techs
Also I replaced the crankshaft sensor it's secure and wires good I replaced all coils and the computer still says crankshaft 4 codes
Mike Mcfarland what are the exact codes you are getting
Mercedes Benz Techs
It just said 4 codes and they all said crankshaft sensor
@MBT Dave: instead of “retard”, my M272 shows right intake camshaft is in fixed 36.2 degree advanced? Funny thing is, at low speed, it fluctuates 0-36 degree well; even at high speed, it advanced to 20-30 degree only. But then when I slow down, it moves back to idle position (advanced max at 36.2 degree) and then got stuck there?? What do you think is the problem? I am guessing Cam adjuster worn (especially the pin and area around the pin)?
Most likely the pulsation plate in front of the camshaft adjuster had the worn out pin and shifted
I have same code on my touareg v6.. do you think that im in trouble?
jevillo p did you ever figure it out?? My Touareg now has this code😭
I have 2 code p0025 p0015 what is these code mean
Yasar Sabah what year and model is your car
@@MercedesBenzTechs 2007 e350
Yasar Sabah this video is for you
Where is crankshaft sensor located on Saturn Outlook 2007?
It has been all over the forums for years now since 2008; many were failing within 50-60,000 miles. Some were under warranty, many just outside. I hope my issue gets resolved in a civilized manner. I wonder what the top heads at MB were thinking when they first realized they had this huge issue with the M272 & M273 engines and the potential cost to their company. Of course, the judge isn't going to let the consumers win over the big motor boys because they are all sucking on the same titties. When you've got hundreds or thousands of MB owners complaining and the part failing all over the world, why wouldn't you recall the autos and fix the problem? That is the right thing to do, isn't it? So the lesson here is do your research before you buy, because I didn't and I wish I had. Avoid buying new cars from dealers. Buy used cars that have a solid track record. I think Hondas would hold up pretty good but I'm no expert. I doubt MB will meet me half way on this based on their record. But we'll see.
***** Would you like to buy it? Make me an offer? I'll throw in some good computers since that's what I do.
Hey there I've got a 96 S320 in line 6 crank pulley and damper bolt came loose. upon inspection harmonic balancer / damper was also spinning free. I noticed timing numbers on balancer and I know those numbers are supposed to be positioned in a certain spot. I am unaware of where it was positioned before bolt came loose. I see the notch on the engine that these numbers are supposed to line up with I was told I could only have to re-tighten crank bolt, but what number on the balancer is supposed to line up with notch on engine. asap response please I am without my car and I'd like to try and fix it myself because I can't afford a mechanic
C320 not..... E350
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These cars are total crap. Junk it, buy an older car.
Except the V-8's which run 250,000 no sweat...
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