Thing is, the barrier to entry for me isn't the price of the rifle, optic, or ammunition - its the absence of 100+ yard ranges within 1hr of where I live
I got one a few weeks ago, but unfortunately, had a problem with feeding. I got a few extra mags, so 4 total; all bergara composite 5-round. I tested hornady, Winchester and Remington rounds. The top round in the magazine fed fine. Starting at the 2nd or 3rd round, the cartridges got caught at the front tip/chamber interface. Some people call this nosediving, I guess. So, sent it back to the factory after calling them. They said they'd look at it and let me know. Anyone else have this issue? I made sure to set the rounds firmly against the back of the magazine, but it didn't help.
@@e.torch.8102 I haven't seen or heard of that one yet, I hope it gets worked out for ya, I keep putting coyotes down at 250 to 300 yards with mine with ease. They are good rifles just maybe you got one that's a little bit of a pain. It'll get worked out and you'll love it
Thank you so much for this video. I am newish to guns. I have a few handguns and an AR-15. I have been trying to stretch my simple AR out and have been doing well (with practice) hitting out to 300 yards. While that is cool I am thinking about getting into long range shooting. This helped me a lot. Thanks so much!
I thought the question of where the wind affects the bullet most is an interesting and seemingly simple question to answer. In cases with constant wind at the muzzle and the target, the bullet will mostly be affected at the target. Without going into too much detail... If we can simplify the question down, we can say that a constant force (wind) will accelerate something in the direction of that force at a magnitude of that force divided by the mass. (Newtons 2nd law of motion) The only difference between the bullet at the muzzle and the target is position and speed, and since the acceleration is a factor of time, we can say that the bullet will be affected the same at both points BUT, since the bullet at the target has a lower speed, the bullet will be affected more, because (in simple terms) it has more time to be accelerated in the direction of the wind.
That’s true but wouldn’t a small deviation in the bullets path caused by wind occurring at the muzzle throw the entire path of the bullet off? I.e if bullet path at the muzzle is deviated 1 degree in the say 50 yards after leaving the muzzle, over the course of the bullets flight that would equate to something like 17.5m at 1000 yards? (excuse my high school calculus, may be wrong, someone should double check that), even if that’s an extreme example it seems like a huge amount of path deviation for the downwind range to overcome to be more important
My "long range" setup, really midrange 300-600 yards, is a 1943 SAKO M39 Finnish mosin nagant with a Vortex Crossfire II scout scope running 182gr PPU match ammo. $680 rifle with all the goodies. :3
Yes the Savage Axis II in 6.5 creedmoor, I've shot better groups at 100, 200 yards than my friend with his Tikka UPR in 6.5 creed. I love my Savage even over my Ruger PR in 6.5
I was thinking about getting a Savage 110 in 6.5 Creedmoor as a starting platform for learning extended range shooting. Farthest In have gone so far is 400 yards.
I've had a Tikka T3 Tac A1 for about 5 months now, the bolt is really smooth and it constantly shoots 0.5 to 1/4 " at 100m with factory ammo and in no way am I an experienced precision rifle shooter. Amazing rifle.
Definitely start out with a platform like the Remington 700, Tikka, or the Ruger Precision so you can upgrade in the future. Also, DO NOT skimp on the scope base, rings, and scope itself. Before you start upgrading barrels and customizing actions and bolt knobs and bipods etc.GET a SOLID optic for your rifle! I suggest taking your rifle, getting a solid scope on it first.. second, I'd get a match trigger like a Timney or Jewell. Then get it into a stock/chassis with an aluminum bedding block like the Magpul Hunter, HS Precision, McMillan, AICS, XLR etc. if your rifle came with a regular composite/overmolded/non-free floated stock. I'd wait to get the action blueprinted when you decide to upgrade/change the barrel. When you do this, consider the caliber you want to shoot long term, rifling in the barrel, twist rate, and obviously length. You may also want to get it threaded for a brake or suppressor or maybe you just want a nice target crown. After you have this system down, you can mess with different muzzle brakes, bipods, bolt knobs, etc.
Had a Ruger Precision for a few years. Bought it because a custom was taking too long, as usual. Soon as the custom was done I sold the RPR. It's a fine rifle but it does not compare to customs, not because of any magical reason but because you get what you pay for. A Bartlien custom produced by a smith with a good shooter and some custom dies is simply unbeatable. I own quite a few higher end "box" rifles and really only Blasers and AI's can compete, but they are virtually identical to what you pay for a custom. For my money it's worth skipping the low end and saving for something that really can provide you with no excuses.
I just gotta mention how much I appreciate the production quality of this video! I really like these long range shooting videos, hope to see more soon.
U can get a savage or something similar just spend $900+ on an optic and u can reach out and touch a long ways distance is about match grade ammo and a great optic
I bought a used Winchester model 70 in 243 at my LGS for $325. Mounted a Leupold VX2 to it and headed to the range. I’d never shot steel before. I’m hooked. If I can have this much fun with a hunting rifle at 500 yards I can’t imagine how much fun a serious rig would be.
I have a RAP and i put the same stock that was on the 308 Remington (Magpul). It is topped with a Leupold LR/T. It is a shooter and I would put it up against any custom rifle.
Nice review. I have a Tikka 6.5x55 and it shoots great. Also have the B-14HMR in 6.5CM and it's amazing. My Remington 700 VS in 308 is also a sub 1/2" MOA rifle. Savage 110BA certainly is a contender but the 300WM is a bit more expensive to shoot. We are truly spoiled these days.
@@SKuz-ke4kz the Tika is a wood stock and I hand load to modern pressures. The HMR is more tactical and heavy. Both are very accurate. I have a Bergara in an aluminum factory chassis. Lighter and a very accurate also. If I could only have one, I like the HMR because I have other lighter hunting rifles
Help a casual rifleman understand something - how come I see precision guys standing hunched over a bench instead of seated? Wouldn’t seated make for more accurate shooting?
What about savage too? they have the widest range of precision rifles out of all of the common manufacturers and are the easiest to swap to higher grade barrels (you can swap barrels at home without a gunsmith in less than 20 minutes) and don't need to be squared and blueprinted due to the floating bolt head. They also have a good aftermarket component selection ( after Remington 700). But out of the ones you selected damn that Bergara looks sweet!
K Bob, good question, im not sure of the answer. Im pretty sure there are plenty of them in the lower levels but the pros all use custom rigs or are sponsored. Maybe it's an extractor issue like you said, or a magazine issue, or just availability of aftermarket parts or manufacturer support.
Big Deal Savage is ok. I only have 3 of them 😀. The Bergara is a sweet little baby. I love my 6.5 Creedmoor. Stuck a SWFA SS 10x on it and called it good.
The floating bolt head makes the bolt clunky, and very few competition shooters use prefit barrels as they inherently give up perfection in chambering. The magazines can also feed poorly. They work well for people doing it for fun and slow and steady but This is a group of people (prs) that are putting their equipment through extremes and won’t put up with a bolt that wants to catch or bind or misfeeds.
Semper Fi. That’s why we Army guys love you DevilDogs. Take a perfectly good acronym and change it. To be fair, we butcher our own acronyms as well. Take a grunt, a red leg, an intelligence geek, a loggie and a pilot: they can talk in circles for days not understanding each other for all the bleeping acronyms.
If you can account for wind at all distances then obviously, that's the most perfect shot. However, with basic logic and BASIC understanding of physics, we understand that the SLOWER the bullet is travelling, the LONGER it is exposed to the specific wind value at that specific position in its flight. If we observe that the wind is the same at all ranges (e.g. Shooter's position, 100 yds, 200, and 300 yds) the bullet will be most affected at 300 yards due to loss in velocity - it is exposed to that wind value for the longest time when compared to shorter ranges. Do not take the following values literally, they are for illustration only. Wind at 600 yds: left to right 10mph Projectile velocity at 600 yds: 2000fps = Bullet is pushed 10 units to the right. Wind at 1200 yds: left to right 5mph Projectile velocity at 1200yds: 1000fps = Bullet is still pushed 10 units to the right. (given we don't factor in ballistic coefficient fluctuation of projectile when pushed to different velocities). These 2 examples are just illustrating what effect wind speed, and projectile velocity have on wind drift. Given all wind is the same at all ranges, we get exponential wind drift as the bullet slows, purely because it is exposed to those winds for longer.
I say round 2 of this video should have a Savage model 10, i personally have an fcp-sr in 308 but even making it more comparable to these choices would be the tge BA stealth or the Ashbury. Love the video and I'm not criticizing but next video ideas maybe? Lol. Thanks and keep up the great vids
TheCspencer6687 I had an rpr,a stealth and a model 10T for 1000 rounds each. The 10T has a straight taper barrel and was the thickest of the 3 rifles. And it shot the best 10 round strings(1/2moa). The rpr couldn’t get better than 1moa for 10 shots. The stealth managed just over 1/2moa for 10 shot strings. The 10T was the least expensive and shot the best.
Great content! I absolutely appreciate the information (actually, the knowledge and wisdom) you convey, but your production value really sets you apart from many other channels. The footage, the editing, and your presentation style are certainly 1/4 MOA. Nice work.
Trevor Roth you still have it? I’ve been looking at them for awhile but can’t quite ‘pull the trigger’. How do you like the quality of the stock compared to a Magpul 700 or other stock?
@@davidhochstetler4068 The HMR beats the absolute fuck out of the 700's. I have 2019 models of both and its not even close, both stock with vortex optics. Bergara's closest out of the box competitor is Tikka
I have the RPR 6.5 CM and it is BADASS, I've shot even tighter groups( with or without suppresser) then his and I also use the Dead-air Sandman L suppresser. Best money I've spent on a rifle (I have 12).
The rifle sheet for each was informative: but, I would like to have seen the scope information on each as well. Can you indicate the scopes on each rifle?
I’ve got a Tikka CTR that I like a lot for the price, but they’re far from the smoothest actions. Smoother than a factory 700, sure, but AI, Stiller, Defiance, Big Horn, Badger, etc.(the list goes on) all have far smoother actions. You get what you pay for, and Tikkas are awesome for their price point.
CPHannigan tikkas are awesome and amazingly smooth for the price, I handled a schultz and larsen and it was beautifully smooth production rifle, rear locking Sauer's are pretty smooth as well.
Remington used to have an amazing trigger that IF you knew what you where doing could make it amazing. But when the gun had a light trigger and people are irresponsible with gun safety then Remington got sued. Now their triggers are Very heavy. Like everything in life, a few people ruin a good thing for everyone.
You forgot the Tikka T3x Tac A1 which might be the best rifle to buy. It's exceptional and probably the best bang for the buck, even up to the high end rifle range.
DLN1234 1 second ago I don't understand why yardage is a problem with accuracy ? Shoot lower cal. rifles and accomplish the same result. 200 yards with .22 lr puts a hole in the paper just like a .338 lepua @ 1000 yrds does.
B14 is an entry precision rifle for people that take their hobbies really seriously right out of the gate. Its pretty spendy compared to some other options.
I’ve got a savage 10t Sr .308 extremely nice and crisp adjustable trigger, very solid stock and rings steel easy at 1000 with gmm 175. I’ve run the bolt extremely quickly over about 75 rounds, no issues. The one thing I would like to improve is the magazines, I wish it took ASICS but it’s an easy fix. Unfortunately for some people the accustock is awkward, but I’m a very tall guy so it fits me perfect.
My rem 700 in .308 is like an old friend. I replaced the trigger and put a decent vortex scope on top. I can honestly say the rifle is more accurate than I am.
I bought a axis for fun in .223 and it shot factory under a .3 group at 100 yards.. I was blown away. I sold it then bought another one later, it couldn't get under a .5 group. I guess I got lucky the first time when the rifling tool was new lol
Long range rimfires are also a great way to get some practice and develop skills before you make the jump into centerfires. We call them "long range simulators" and the rifles much cheaper if you want them to be and the big thing is they are cheaper to shoot. I've put 1000 rounds through my ruger precision rimfire in 2 months because it only cost a couple hundred bucks and not a couple thousand.
Have 3 rem 700’s Long range hunter 7mm rem mag SPS Tactical 308 win Police LTR .223 All three with Magpul hunter stocks 7mm 7” group 1000yds 308 and .223 1/4” group 100yds Ammo: Federal ballistic tip Got lucky met a guy that owns property bout 30 mins from me.
T3x TAC A1 in 6.5 shoots 1/2 moa all day long with Hornady 120gr. ELD's. In fact, it shoots as well, a little slower perhaps but as consistent as my AIAX (with a Krieger 6.5, courtesy of R. Gradous) for 1/4 of the price of the AI which pisses me off beyond believe! She deserves a review more then any "entry level" rifle I ever seen.
A Ruger Predator 6.5 Creedmoor that I own shoots .5 MOA with cheap Hornady American Gunner 140gr. All I did to it was a trigger job on the stock parts. I Know of guys upgrading theirs with Indian Creek Design chassis and winning PRS matches, for less than the cost of a RPR...
@@leadcloud I would say that $6,000-$10,000 is expensive to VERY expensive, but a normal price is $1200. Obviously if you compare a .308 to a .50 BMG which has a minimum price of $7500, the .308 is nothing.
Ruger long range target in 300win mag is a good rifle also👌🏽 the remington 700 magpul and 700 sps tactical is a great rifle been eyeing off a howa 1500 hcr in 300win mag
Thing is, the barrier to entry for me isn't the price of the rifle, optic, or ammunition - its the absence of 100+ yard ranges within 1hr of where I live
Same man, the only range close to me is 200 yards. Anything further than that, you better know a guy with property. :(
why would u hurt cirno
I'm in Orange County and have the same issue.
I can shoot 100 in my yard, 300 with a 30 minute drive, but anything over 300 is like a 4 hr drive one way.
I have found a 3km mountain top range in the scottish highlands less than 1 hour away but dont have money for gun, optic and ammo! :((
Dream backyard set up. Just beautiful.
first6digits agreed
first6digits I wish it were mine! I’ll settle for being friends with the guy and being allowed to use it.
"You'll enjoy every minute"... Get it? Minute? Hahaha!
you'll enjoy every mil.
What a cool name 😗
Great job Joel - very polished and to the point. Thank you for continuing to introduce this topic.
Thanks!
I would love to see a video done on .308 semiautomatic guns and how well they do with match ammo, and how they compare to a bolt gun of similar price.
This is coming in the near future. Thanks!
Precision Rifle Network - how much impact did you see using a can? I'm thinking about going through the process to get a stamp.
James Neumann do you mean impact shift? If so, it’s about 4” different, can vs. no can.
Suppressor tightened the groups slightly too.
Precision Rifle Network
That’s not much. Thank you!
David Li ujjj
The Bergara for the price is an amazing rifle.
I just picked one up it is a very nice weapon
@@mikegoulette6243 looking at the LRP 2.0 in 6.5 Creedmore right now. Seems to be a good bet for $1850.00
Do you like yours?
@@michaelswift3387 yes I have the b14 hunter and it is amazing
I got one a few weeks ago, but unfortunately, had a problem with feeding. I got a few extra mags, so 4 total; all bergara composite 5-round. I tested hornady, Winchester and Remington rounds. The top round in the magazine fed fine. Starting at the 2nd or 3rd round, the cartridges got caught at the front tip/chamber interface. Some people call this nosediving, I guess. So, sent it back to the factory after calling them. They said they'd look at it and let me know. Anyone else have this issue? I made sure to set the rounds firmly against the back of the magazine, but it didn't help.
@@e.torch.8102 I haven't seen or heard of that one yet, I hope it gets worked out for ya, I keep putting coyotes down at 250 to 300 yards with mine with ease. They are good rifles just maybe you got one that's a little bit of a pain. It'll get worked out and you'll love it
do a video about optics, covering budgets stuff all the way too the gucci gear
xrklkx This will be done at some point soon!
Go SWFA SS for scopes. I'll never use anything else ever again.
might be getting the 10x or the 12x, though i live in Australia so a more commonly available brand/scope would be nice
These videos are the only reason I stay subscribed to tfb.
Thank you so much for this video. I am newish to guns. I have a few handguns and an AR-15. I have been trying to stretch my simple AR out and have been doing well (with practice) hitting out to 300 yards. While that is cool I am thinking about getting into long range shooting. This helped me a lot. Thanks so much!
I thought the question of where the wind affects the bullet most is an interesting and seemingly simple question to answer.
In cases with constant wind at the muzzle and the target, the bullet will mostly be affected at the target.
Without going into too much detail...
If we can simplify the question down, we can say that a constant force (wind) will accelerate something in the direction of that force at a magnitude of that force divided by the mass. (Newtons 2nd law of motion)
The only difference between the bullet at the muzzle and the target is position and speed, and since the acceleration is a factor of time, we can say that the bullet will be affected the same at both points BUT, since the bullet at the target has a lower speed, the bullet will be affected more, because (in simple terms) it has more time to be accelerated in the direction of the wind.
That’s true but wouldn’t a small deviation in the bullets path caused by wind occurring at the muzzle throw the entire path of the bullet off? I.e if bullet path at the muzzle is deviated 1 degree in the say 50 yards after leaving the muzzle, over the course of the bullets flight that would equate to something like 17.5m at 1000 yards? (excuse my high school calculus, may be wrong, someone should double check that), even if that’s an extreme example it seems like a huge amount of path deviation for the downwind range to overcome to be more important
A Howa 1500 would have been nice to see.
Nice!
I shot 3\4 and 5\8 moa with my howa 1500 the cheap combo with cheap nikko sterling scope with the cheap factory ammo. Love it. No muzzle brake either.
My "long range" setup, really midrange 300-600 yards, is a 1943 SAKO M39 Finnish mosin nagant with a Vortex Crossfire II scout scope running 182gr PPU match ammo. $680 rifle with all the goodies. :3
My entry level rifle was a savage 110 LH with Leopold 4x12
Sud MOA right out the box .
glad to see this. i just ordered a savage110 desert tactical.
RangerCaptain11A looking at the same rifle, would you recommend?
Bought Savage M10 BAS-K in 308 as my first precision rifle...and I love it with my handload :D...great video~
I'm shooting a savage 22-250 and I absolutely love the thing! Surprised Savage didn't make the cut
I am a regular customer at Ventura Munitions ... great shop... great people ... Thanks for giving my friends the shout out and business
No Savage? There is at least 3 Savages that could have been tested plus the low end Axis II.
Yes the Savage Axis II in 6.5 creedmoor, I've shot better groups at 100, 200 yards than my friend with his Tikka UPR in 6.5 creed. I love my Savage even over my Ruger PR in 6.5
This is truly WISDOM from use. The video on the best glass under 1000 bucks are the best videos on this subject
We need Joel to make a ww2 sniper video, or I was thinking why not shake it up a bit and do a Vietnam comparison, Mosin+svd vs rem 700 and m14
Vietnam - winchester model 70 pre-64
I was thinking about getting a Savage 110 in 6.5 Creedmoor as a starting platform for learning extended range shooting. Farthest In have gone so far is 400 yards.
What about Ruger precision 338 Lapua 1600$
If you ever manage another video I'd love to see the T3 and an offering from Savage.
Thanks for the pause, I had no idea what Tikka rifles were.
I've had a Tikka T3 Tac A1 for about 5 months now, the bolt is really smooth and it constantly shoots 0.5 to 1/4 " at 100m with factory ammo and in no way am I an experienced precision rifle shooter. Amazing rifle.
Dinglebearry they are one of the best actions on the planet and are better than a Remington 700
Definitely start out with a platform like the Remington 700, Tikka, or the Ruger Precision so you can upgrade in the future. Also, DO NOT skimp on the scope base, rings, and scope itself. Before you start upgrading barrels and customizing actions and bolt knobs and bipods etc.GET a SOLID optic for your rifle! I suggest taking your rifle, getting a solid scope on it first.. second, I'd get a match trigger like a Timney or Jewell. Then get it into a stock/chassis with an aluminum bedding block like the Magpul Hunter, HS Precision, McMillan, AICS, XLR etc. if your rifle came with a regular composite/overmolded/non-free floated stock. I'd wait to get the action blueprinted when you decide to upgrade/change the barrel. When you do this, consider the caliber you want to shoot long term, rifling in the barrel, twist rate, and obviously length. You may also want to get it threaded for a brake or suppressor or maybe you just want a nice target crown. After you have this system down, you can mess with different muzzle brakes, bipods, bolt knobs, etc.
Had a Ruger Precision for a few years. Bought it because a custom was taking too long, as usual. Soon as the custom was done I sold the RPR. It's a fine rifle but it does not compare to customs, not because of any magical reason but because you get what you pay for. A Bartlien custom produced by a smith with a good shooter and some custom dies is simply unbeatable. I own quite a few higher end "box" rifles and really only Blasers and AI's can compete, but they are virtually identical to what you pay for a custom. For my money it's worth skipping the low end and saving for something that really can provide you with no excuses.
I just gotta mention how much I appreciate the production quality of this video! I really like these long range shooting videos, hope to see more soon.
Thank you!
U can get a savage or something similar just spend $900+ on an optic and u can reach out and touch a long ways distance is about match grade ammo and a great optic
I bought a used Winchester model 70 in 243 at my LGS for $325. Mounted a Leupold VX2 to it and headed to the range. I’d never shot steel before. I’m hooked. If I can have this much fun with a hunting rifle at 500 yards I can’t imagine how much fun a serious rig would be.
What's the thoughts on Savage FCP? -SR? Model 10? At 100 yards I've cut a couple ragged holes with 3 shot groups. With Winchester ammo 150 PSP
I have a RAP and i put the same stock that was on the 308 Remington (Magpul). It is topped with a Leupold LR/T. It is a shooter and I would put it up against any custom rifle.
I went ultra budget and bought a Ruger American Predator in .308, but long range to me is 600 yards so I'm happy.
Nice review. I have a Tikka 6.5x55 and it shoots great. Also have the B-14HMR in 6.5CM and it's amazing. My Remington 700 VS in 308 is also a sub 1/2" MOA rifle. Savage 110BA certainly is a contender but the 300WM is a bit more expensive to shoot. We are truly spoiled these days.
Hi, what's your personal favourite? I'm looking at getting the bergara but hesitant
@@SKuz-ke4kz the Tika is a wood stock and I hand load to modern pressures. The HMR is more tactical and heavy. Both are very accurate. I have a Bergara in an aluminum factory chassis. Lighter and a very accurate also. If I could only have one, I like the HMR because I have other lighter hunting rifles
Not even a mention of Savage?! Wahhht?
Joel was looking for second best that's why he didn't have a Savage in the lineup. Or that's what I told him when he was borrowing these rifles.
I thought Tika was Savage
@@lookchahshway5182 Tikka is a part of Sako, not Savage.
Exactly... I think they didn't want to show up these more expensive rifles with a cheaper one..
Help a casual rifleman understand something - how come I see precision guys standing hunched over a bench instead of seated? Wouldn’t seated make for more accurate shooting?
Thank you for a great demonstration.
yes please review the Tikka T3x Tac A1 when you can
Nice video. I am really enjoying this series. I hope to see more!
What about savage too? they have the widest range of precision rifles out of all of the common manufacturers and are the easiest to swap to higher grade barrels (you can swap barrels at home without a gunsmith in less than 20 minutes) and don't need to be squared and blueprinted due to the floating bolt head. They also have a good aftermarket component selection ( after Remington 700). But out of the ones you selected damn that Bergara looks sweet!
Big Deal I was curious about why they don’t show up in PRS and all I can figure is the ejection issues that seem to be in the forums
K Bob, good question, im not sure of the answer. Im pretty sure there are plenty of them in the lower levels but the pros all use custom rigs or are sponsored. Maybe it's an extractor issue like you said, or a magazine issue, or just availability of aftermarket parts or manufacturer support.
Pastor Glock , I pretty much only shoot savage also and have never had an extractor issue either.
Big Deal Savage is ok. I only have 3 of them 😀. The Bergara is a sweet little baby. I love my 6.5 Creedmoor. Stuck a SWFA SS 10x on it and called it good.
The floating bolt head makes the bolt clunky, and very few competition shooters use prefit barrels as they inherently give up perfection in chambering. The magazines can also feed poorly. They work well for people doing it for fun and slow and steady but This is a group of people (prs) that are putting their equipment through extremes and won’t put up with a bolt that wants to catch or bind or misfeeds.
No Howa 1500?
I was taught in the Marine Corps infantry that DOPE stands Data On Personal Equipment...
Semper Fi. That’s why we Army guys love you DevilDogs. Take a perfectly good acronym and change it. To be fair, we butcher our own acronyms as well. Take a grunt, a red leg, an intelligence geek, a loggie and a pilot: they can talk in circles for days not understanding each other for all the bleeping acronyms.
If you can account for wind at all distances then obviously, that's the most perfect shot. However, with basic logic and BASIC understanding of physics, we understand that the SLOWER the bullet is travelling, the LONGER it is exposed to the specific wind value at that specific position in its flight. If we observe that the wind is the same at all ranges (e.g. Shooter's position, 100 yds, 200, and 300 yds) the bullet will be most affected at 300 yards due to loss in velocity - it is exposed to that wind value for the longest time when compared to shorter ranges.
Do not take the following values literally, they are for illustration only.
Wind at 600 yds: left to right 10mph
Projectile velocity at 600 yds: 2000fps
= Bullet is pushed 10 units to the right.
Wind at 1200 yds: left to right 5mph
Projectile velocity at 1200yds: 1000fps
= Bullet is still pushed 10 units to the right. (given we don't factor in ballistic coefficient fluctuation of projectile when pushed to different velocities).
These 2 examples are just illustrating what effect wind speed, and projectile velocity have on wind drift. Given all wind is the same at all ranges, we get exponential wind drift as the bullet slows, purely because it is exposed to those winds for longer.
I don't think many people consider the Ruger Precision Rifle "entry level".
most would not consider the RPR a "precision" rifle at all in its out of the box stock form. More show than reality.
I say round 2 of this video should have a Savage model 10, i personally have an fcp-sr in 308 but even making it more comparable to these choices would be the tge BA stealth or the Ashbury. Love the video and I'm not criticizing but next video ideas maybe? Lol. Thanks and keep up the great vids
TheCspencer6687 I had an rpr,a stealth and a model 10T for 1000 rounds each.
The 10T has a straight taper barrel and was the thickest of the 3 rifles. And it shot the best 10 round strings(1/2moa). The rpr couldn’t get better than 1moa for 10 shots. The stealth managed just over 1/2moa for 10 shot strings.
The 10T was the least expensive and shot the best.
Great content! I absolutely appreciate the information (actually, the knowledge and wisdom) you convey, but your production value really sets you apart from many other channels. The footage, the editing, and your presentation style are certainly 1/4 MOA. Nice work.
Ive got a hmr, its awesome.
Trevor Roth you still have it? I’ve been looking at them for awhile but can’t quite ‘pull the trigger’. How do you like the quality of the stock compared to a Magpul 700 or other stock?
@@davidhochstetler4068 The HMR beats the absolute fuck out of the 700's. I have 2019 models of both and its not even close, both stock with vortex optics. Bergara's closest out of the box competitor is Tikka
I will be getting an MPA competetion chassis once my balls drop and I feel like spending $1000 on a new chassis
I have the RPR 6.5 CM and it is BADASS, I've shot even tighter groups( with or without suppresser) then his and I also use the Dead-air Sandman L suppresser. Best money I've spent on a rifle (I have 12).
LOVE the pause for Tikka comments...'cause you KNOW they were coming...!
The rifle sheet for each was informative: but, I would like to have seen the scope information on each as well. Can you indicate the scopes on each rifle?
Savage model 10 fcp-sr
That range reminds me of a golf course, just beautiful.
I forgive you for not having the Tikka, but seriously you gotta get one to show off because they have the smoothest actions on the planet.
MrMattumbo you should look into cz rifles
If you think they are the smoothest action you haven't handled many rifles.
I’ve got a Tikka CTR that I like a lot for the price, but they’re far from the smoothest actions. Smoother than a factory 700, sure, but AI, Stiller, Defiance, Big Horn, Badger, etc.(the list goes on) all have far smoother actions. You get what you pay for, and Tikkas are awesome for their price point.
CPHannigan tikkas are awesome and amazingly smooth for the price, I handled a schultz and larsen and it was beautifully smooth production rifle, rear locking Sauer's are pretty smooth as well.
just bought a t3x ctr a few weeks ago. Im amazed at how amazing of a rifle it is for the price its at
Remington used to have an amazing trigger that IF you knew what you where doing could make it amazing. But when the gun had a light trigger and people are irresponsible with gun safety then Remington got sued. Now their triggers are Very heavy. Like everything in life, a few people ruin a good thing for everyone.
Thanks for the video, very Educational
Just picked up a savage evolution in .338 Steiner 6.5 x 25 x 56 love it My package with bipod was around 4K
I am thinking .224. Great Info and video
Nicely done! I like the thought on the glass.
Can't believe a Savage isn't in the line up. Great video brother keep up the great work.
Savage has lost the plot in the last 5 years tbh
Please do a video on spotting scopes for long range precision shooting. Not many videos out there. We want to know what the pros use and why. Please
My sniper manual says that DOPE stands for "data on personal equipment'
What about Howa? They guarantee sub one moa groups for less than 1,000 dollars.
Shoot a savage axis xp 2 6.5 creedmoor will shoot 1000 yards, got mine for $270 cuz the paint on the stock was scratched up
The tikka comment gets a like
I never realized how far 500yrd actually was till I got a rangefinder. Hard to find that distance in Appalachia
Bill,
Ridgeline to ridgeline ?
These videos are great I’ve been looking to get into knowledge on guns very great info thank you
Thanks for spending time on a well put together video.
You forgot the Tikka T3x Tac A1 which might be the best rifle to buy. It's exceptional and probably the best bang for the buck, even up to the high end rifle range.
Its $2000. Are you sure?
Totally. 100%.
0:47 NNNOOOooooooooo The Tikka CTR would be perfect!!!!! Oh well haha, great vid!
good comment about the glass !
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I don't understand why yardage is a problem with accuracy ? Shoot lower cal. rifles and accomplish the same result.
200 yards with .22 lr puts a hole in the paper just like a .338 lepua @ 1000 yrds does.
LOL I was one of the tikka guys waiting for. jajajajaja
Thanks for your video
B14 is an entry precision rifle for people that take their hobbies really seriously right out of the gate. Its pretty spendy compared to some other options.
As of August 2, 2020, a vendor is offering a Bergara B-14 HMR 6.5 Creedmoor Bolt Action Rifle, 22" Barrel, for $860.65
Why you havent used all in .308? Would be a much better comparention
because 605 is better for precision shooting
I’ve got a savage 10t Sr .308 extremely nice and crisp adjustable trigger, very solid stock and rings steel easy at 1000 with gmm 175.
I’ve run the bolt extremely quickly over about 75 rounds, no issues. The one thing I would like to improve is the magazines, I wish it took ASICS but it’s an easy fix.
Unfortunately for some people the accustock is awkward, but I’m a very tall guy so it fits me perfect.
This was a really high quality video
I went straight to a Cadex defense kraken. As soon as I get an entry level item all I can think about is the advanced one
My rem 700 in .308 is like an old friend. I replaced the trigger and put a decent vortex scope on top. I can honestly say the rifle is more accurate than I am.
DOPE has also been called Data On Personal Equipment. Another fun and informative video. Fast-paced and correct information. Kudos.
I bought a axis for fun in .223 and it shot factory under a .3 group at 100 yards.. I was blown away. I sold it then bought another one later, it couldn't get under a .5 group. I guess I got lucky the first time when the rifling tool was new lol
Now you know, when you have a fine firearm, you'll regrett selling it ...
Long range rimfires are also a great way to get some practice and develop skills before you make the jump into centerfires. We call them "long range simulators" and the rifles much cheaper if you want them to be and the big thing is they are cheaper to shoot. I've put 1000 rounds through my ruger precision rimfire in 2 months because it only cost a couple hundred bucks and not a couple thousand.
You need to check the sight's on whatever gun was shooting the orange dots, those things are all over the place 😁
bergara barrels are awesome barrels
As a Tikka-man; RAAAGE!! Just kidding. Good content.
I was deciding on what I would go with the hmr or a tikka. I'll probably get both eventually but for now the 308 hmr does look very nice
ill just be over here with my gehwer 98 xD
Is the remington 700 magpul any good?
I’m a Tikka fan. Love mine. Still experimenting with factory ammunition.
OK I"m in but the Rugar is my high end rifle
What is the best scope in your opinion for the Ruger
Fun video!! I’d like to see more of this
Have 3 rem 700’s
Long range hunter 7mm rem mag
SPS Tactical 308 win
Police LTR .223
All three with Magpul hunter stocks
7mm 7” group 1000yds
308 and .223 1/4” group 100yds
Ammo: Federal ballistic tip
Got lucky met a guy that owns property bout 30 mins from me.
T3x TAC A1 in 6.5 shoots 1/2 moa all day long with Hornady 120gr. ELD's. In fact, it shoots as well, a little slower perhaps but as consistent as my AIAX (with a Krieger 6.5, courtesy of R. Gradous) for 1/4 of the price of the AI which pisses me off beyond believe! She deserves a review more then any "entry level" rifle I ever seen.
A Ruger Predator 6.5 Creedmoor that I own shoots .5 MOA with cheap Hornady American Gunner 140gr. All I did to it was a trigger job on the stock parts. I Know of guys upgrading theirs with Indian Creek Design chassis and winning PRS matches, for less than the cost of a RPR...
No Savage rifles?
Yahh that makes me sad I'm a big savage fan and a a all most decked savage axis in 308
No more Mike Bloomberg ads on your channel bro! He's 2A and all gun owning, law abiding peoples, worst nightmare.
UA-camrs don't pick the ads shown on their channels
The Bergara is a very nice rifle.
Run 175 grain through the ruger. It tightened up for me
Excellent video
"Entry Level"
1600 dollar gun
Well, when the mid to high end guns are $6,000 - $10,000, $1,600 is nothing
@@leadcloud "Well when you compare this Cadillac Escalade to this bugatti veyron the Cadillac is nothing!"
@@jellyfrosh9102 so true! Still being a expensive rifle, but it's definitely worth it, I am Spanish and our Bergara rifles are pure gold.
@@leadcloud I would say that $6,000-$10,000 is expensive to VERY expensive, but a normal price is $1200. Obviously if you compare a .308 to a .50 BMG which has a minimum price of $7500, the .308 is nothing.
@twentykal wtf the Ruger is a bolt gun
Seeing the bullet is going slower down by the target the wind will have more effect. But you should look at all 3 muzzle, mid range, and target.
Savage Stealth? $200 cheaper than Bergara and a blueprinted action.
Ruger long range target in 300win mag is a good rifle also👌🏽 the remington 700 magpul and 700 sps tactical is a great rifle been eyeing off a howa 1500 hcr in 300win mag