I think you are the first person to pronounce my channel name correctly. I would add that shotgun rounds are the easiest type of ammo to hand load, requiring very little specialized equipment.
Pro-tip, if you have a Mossberg 940 and you want to quickly hot swap in a slug for some medium range or body armor action take one hand and slightly push up the loadgate about a 1/4" while you rack it back and that will stop the next round from feeding and allow you to drop a slug in the chamber. You don't need a fancy euro gun. Murica!!! 🦅🇺🇸
I explain this to non gun guys all the time. Different guns are better suited to certain roles than others. They ask why do you need so many guns? I ask them why they need so many golf clubs? They each excel at a specific thing.
What's absolutely absurd is how much gear the average bass fisherman owns. At least $500 worth of rods and reels alone. I've used the same $40 set-up for like 6 years. Hell; I've caught a fish with a homemade rod attached to a $5 reel.
@@madaxe606 Who owns more than 2 pair of boots? You got your muddy pair and your wedding pair. Who needs more? Where the hell you going that's so special? You got special feet or something? Wanna fight about it?
Paul Harrell (R.I.P.) once said that "if the sight of any gun was to stop someone from doing something they shouldn't be doing, a double-barrel would do it." (That's a paraphrase but you get the point.)
I used to keep an old Stevens 12 ga. double with an 18.5" barrels in my office at a strip club in Maryvale area of Phoenix, aka barrio. A PPD officer who was a regular once saw it in the office. He said that if he saw that pointed at him, he would laugh. I absolutely could not believe that he said that to me. He was a training officer who worked at their shooting range near South Mountain in Phoenix. It was a WTF moment.
Different tools for different jobs. Tactical shotguns are my favorite category of defense guns because they fit my environment best. Rifles are great for other situations, so I own them too. Also, the fact that a jury would say “The defense itself was justified, but the weapon used was not” is insane. That’s exactly why I don’t live anywhere near a big city.
I don't think it's an "unjustified weapon" situation, exactly. It's more... Well... Let's imagine a guy whose deepest desire is to kill a "home invader." He has some wooded property, let's say, bordering public land. He has a fence, but it's in poor repair, with a lot of gaps. He has a few "no trespassing" signs, but again, poor repair, nailed to trees with moss growing on them, no lights and no reflectors or anything. And the way he spends his time is not in the house watching TV, but up in a "hunting blind" he's set up near the property line, with IR cameras, just waiting for someone to wander over his property line. Now, if THAT guy shot a trespasser, you'd want to be REALLY sure that this person wasn't just lost. And if it just so happened that he let this person walk out of camera view before he shot them, claiming it was "self defense" because they were armed... You'd want some real evidence that he didn't just wait for a hunter to lose his bearings a little, wander over the property line, and then shoot them. Obviously my imaginary Predator-LARP guy is an absurd example, but I think we've all met a guy who is maybe a step or two farther in that direction than anybody should be, right? A guy where you're kinda worried that sooner or later he's gonna let one fly at a meter-reader, or because the neighbor's cousin is coming to visit and gets the wrong house, or something. And hopefully he's not so far gone that he kills anyone, but still, it's going to be a terrifying experience for someone. At the VERY least, even if you're sure that everyone you've ever met is too sound and sensible to ever DO that, I know you know that guy who TALKS like that. Well, juries have heard that guy talk too. They're familiar with the notion that some people out there are a little TOO eager to "defend themselves," and that affects their assessment of the situation. I don't think they're right to put so much focus on "what kind of gun was it," of course. But it does seem to me that they're misjudging one piece of evidence, rather than inventing some complete nonsense.
@@trioptimum9027 The majority of Americans don't know anything about firearms and, in the absence of other information, are prone to believe stereotypes. Your firearm choice should not matter - it's not a material fact - but juries absolutely are swayed by conjecture and stereotypes. It's worth bearing that in mind when choosing a home defense gun. And that's why it might make sense to own, say, a Winchester M1897 and not a Mossberg with a synthetic stock and a red dot and a flashlight and a vertical foregrip and a cupholder or whatever.
@@darrelldunlap7249 If you want that capability then get one. If you don’t then don’t get one. Everyone has to decide for themselves what is preferred or required. Some people need a Pickup Truck other people need a Jeep other folks need a Tiny Sedan because gasoline so expensive. Operator needs to decide what is preferred.
Been a shotgun guy for a lot of years, own and shoot 97’s and Browning A5’s and am in the market for a 1301 soon…the legal aspect in defense shootings is no small matter. Great content.
My dad gave me a Browning Auto 5 for my 12th birthday. Belgian made, 16 gauge. I've bagged so many squirrel, grouse and rabbit with that thing. Has some trouble with modern ammo but usually runs Remington just fine. My son turns 16 soon so I may have to give it to him lol.
"Pistols put holes in people. Rifles put holes through people. Shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit from your opponent and throw that shit on the floor" -Clint Smith 😂😎🇺🇸
I fucking wish I’d saved enough $ to go to Thunder Ranch and train under Clint. And I’m no closer today financially. And I hate to say it but the clock is ticking fast on that opportunity.
6 Reasons why a Shotgun is Better 1: Ash didn't grab an AR and named it his "Boomstick" when he fought the EvilDead 2: Hicks didn't grab an AR for close encounters with Xenomorphs 3: Doomguy didn't save Earth from the legions of hell with an AR 4: John Wick didn't ask for an AR to be Bold and Robust 5: The T-800 didn't hide a AR in a box of roses 6: Officer Tubs of Miami didn't carry a AR in a leather shoulder holster under his suit jacket while on duty
Hicks carrying one that far in the future was always the selling point for me..I mean of all the weapons he had to choose from as a space marine that far advanced, he chose a pump action shotgun.
While it’s funny, if you’re getting bruised by a 12 gauge you may be doing something wrong. I’ve shot plenty of 3 inch magnum turkey loads and various slugs including black magic magnums through my coach gun and no bruising. Felt it the rest of the day though.
In WW1 the Germans filed a protest with the Hague complaining about the use of shotguns by American troops as being against the rules of war due to their shocking effectiveness.
No, the complaint was that the damage they caused was near-impossible for field medics to patch up in WW1 trench conditions while, statistically speaking, not being any more lethal than a rifle round. This meant anyone shot with a shotgun, even if they had medics attend him on the spot, was likely to die a long, drawn-out death. Besides this, it was also argued that the shotgun and a rifle were similar enough that on a battlefield, it was difficult to tell them apart in an enemy soldier’s kit, which meant that soldiers who might have otherwise surrendered had they known they were going to get blasted with 12 Gauge didn’t do so. TLDR it caused unnecessary suffering while being no more effective in combat.
Like my local US Law and Shield lawyer said to me, "buckshot gives you 9 shots for the price of 1 in a self-defense scenario" and he highly recommends it.
@@johnketchun2816 agreed but I would say only for apartments to limit over penetration. In my home now, buck especially flight control is the way to go since I have more yardage to work with.
I’m in the military and am well trained with my M4. I’ve still kept a 12 Gauge Mossberg on hand as my go-to home defense and hunting weapon for almost two decades now. Learning about the jury stuff helps cement that fact.
If you fire off 18 projectiles from a shotgun, nobody bats an eye. But if you dump 20 rounds from an AR, everyone (Prosecutor/Jury) loses their minds. It's such BS lmao.
I bought a Mossberg Maverick 30 years ago for $150 - it is still in the collection and is ready for action if needed. Tube full, rack, fire, repeat. I bought an AR15 about three months ago after years of disparaging them. I'm still not really sure what changed my mind, but I am enjoying getting to know the AR15. If I had to grab a gun to repel a home invasion, the Mossberg wins every time.
Usmc diplomatic security. Had a Remington 870 police tactical. Loved it. Had buck or slug. I always loaded slug. We operated in the embassy building and perimeters. You'd go from hallway and room clearing to 100 yard distances outside the building. Nobody f'ed with a jarhead toting a 12 gauge. 870 is still my go to today and bug out gun. If anyone remembers during covid, 12 gauge was still on most shelves when all other ammo was gone for months.
Ammo availability and price are huge, you're absolutely right about being able to find shotgun shells long after the 5.56 is gone. Army vet here, I had a Mossberg 590 up in my MRAP turret in Iraq loaded with buckshot. Door breacher, and in case any scumbags thought they were gonna climb on the truck and 'nade us.
If you are buying ammo after a crisis kicks off, you're wrong. And at least in my area, 12 and 20 gauge was completely out of stock (along with basically everything else, including reloading supplies) shortly after COVID hit.
Navy. I absolutely agree with your statement that nobody f-s around with a Marine with a shotgun! I did a couple of tours with base security and was trained on combat shotgun tactics by a Marine 0311. We trained on Mossburg 500 and Remington 870 (both 12 ga.). I thought I knew shotguns before that, boy was I wrong! It became my preferred weapon for home defense, initially due to familiarity, but primarily to prevent over penetration in my home. 12 ga. was also always available in my area during Covid as well.
@@w.p.958 Funny thing is when I got out and bought a home most of my neighbors are veterans and/or law enforcement. They all preferred a good pump action for general purpose applications. I was in the same predicament when I was trained for Embassy protection. I thought I knew shotguns. Boy did I learn that week lol. If I remember correctly the embassy takeover in Iran the MSG stopped one entry by simply racking the action. Of course they made entry elsewhere in the embassy and it all fell apart.
@@Kriss_L 100% agree that it is good idea to have ammo on hand at all times. Sorry to hear your area was dry. I am in a blue state but shotgun ammo was plentiful. Weird. But at least I could go target shooting with my 870 Tactical.
Love my ARs, but the shotgun is my choice for home defense. I was told in a class once, "A shotgun is what you bring when you know you're going to be in a pistol fight."
But that’s just it, you don’t know it’s a “pistol only” fight. Home defense is all just a roll of the dice, so why settle for less you’ve got the means for more?
@No-1.In.Particular but he heard it in a class! So it must be true!!!! But yeah, I've definitely NOT seen ANY videos of MULTIPLE home invaders who have ANYTHING other than GLAWKS. My 5+1 pump action simply CAN'T fall short 😎
For years, I was keeping the mossburg for home defense when everyone else switched to ARs. Got called a fudd relentlessly for it, but I'm glad people are coming around again.
Hey as long as you aren't voting for accessory and gun bans, then you're no fudd. You can tell your buddies that. Only gunowners that vote for gun bans and accessory bans are fudds. They can however call you a gun boomer.
10:57 I continue to say this the Maverick 88 is the best value OF ALL NEW FiREARMS. you can hunt, protect, and plink with the huge variety of 12ga ammo
Ehhhhh... its pretty bad at hunting. Its like saying you can race with a Toyota Corolla. Regardless, you aren't wrong about the best value proposition though.
Shotguns and ARs are awesome. Simple as that. Also, as someone who grew up super into Nerf blasters, when I got into firearms and got myself a used Mossberg 500, I never had any issues with short-stroking or any of the other various user error problems. I had already unintentionally trained through it all as a kid. I DON'T KNOW HOW RELEVANT THIS POINT IS BUT IT COUNTS FOR ME.
I gave that hypothetical a good, hard thought and came up with 2 outcomes: firearm in the colloquial sense (meaning I can also have it suppressed) it would be a 22LR pistol, like a MK4. Firearm in the legal sense, Mossberg 590. Either way, I had to look at my ARs and give them the bad news 😂
My bold predictions. 1. A maverick 88 is $200. 2. Would you rather explain 1 trigger pull to the jury or 9 trigger pulls? 3. You get a bigger adrenaline rush at the range. 4,5,6 you can stop a wide variety of threats with birdshot, buckshot, and slugs.
birdshot deals with swarms of drones with c4 strapped to them. #4 buckshot won't over penetrate in your apartment. Slugs will penetrate the skulls of dangerous wildlife.
I am considering all the options for home and outdoor defense in response to conversations with neighbors. I keep coming back to a 12 pump as a first/only weapon, add from there. Especially in mobile home communities with fly paper paneling and Reynolds Wrap siding. Gives so many options and in most of the 50 states it will adequately deal with any threat while camping/etc. 👍👍
So, That chart (2:50 - 3:00 ) shows the 32s have a 70% effective incapacitation index, while the next closest is the 380 and then the 357, both around 60 %. I am calling Bovine Excrement.
statistics in this debate suck for this reason: if i have 50,000 cases of .357 shootings and 25,000 of them end in one shot… i can still have 10,000 cases of .22 being used in a shooting with 6,000 ending in one shot. so the statistics would reflect .22 as being more lethal and a better self defense option compared to .357 even though thats blatantly untrue. edit: same can be applied to other major statistics. we used to think the average troglodyte hominid lived to only 20 years old, when in reality they could live to 70 or 80 years old but the infant death rate was so high that the average age became 20.
For a decade I’ve shot in our local trap league. I used mostly a Mossberg 500 that I got out the door from Big 5 sporting goods for $300. To test its reliability, I’ve decided this one would be a test mule and I purposely don’t clean it. I’ve put between 10,000 and 15,000 rounds through it. I’ve had multiple times where I’ve gotten multiple times where I’ve gotten to 2,000 rounds between cleanings. The original plastic forend that has those two bars pinned fell apart around 8,000 rounds (plastic part where the pins crumbled apart). That was the biggest issue so I just went to the traditional metal part and a wooden forend. I did notice when it was dirty, say over 1,000 rounds, that if I sprayed some lube in it that within the first 25 rounds I would get one light primer strike and then it would work reliably again; I have had that happen about a half a dozen times over the years. It took me a few times before I became aware of it and then I knew it was a thing. Not a big deal. Again, I don’t keep my home defense shotgun this dirty. Only my test mule 500, which I love.
@@PotzyMccoythis wouldn’t always be the case, but in a home invasion type situation where you don’t need to clear the house, hunkered down covering your bedroom door with a shotgun is probably your best bet
Picked up a Winchester model 1300 Defender about 15 years ago. A great pump action shotgun and home defense tool.
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I recently attended a weekend at Thunder Ranch upon your recommendation with my Landon Tactical baretta 1301, and I am thoroughly convinced that a shotgun can resolve any problem. If I could carry one in my waistband I would. I have a lot of Rifles, PCCs, and handguns, but when we take road trips, go off-roading, or camping I keep my shotgun within reach. And it is absolutely without question my go to weapon for any bump in the night over my nightstand pistol.
I have a bunch of AR's from various eras. They are good guns but I gave a loaded Winchester 1300 in my Bedroom closet and a Ithaca Model 37 loaded in the downstairs closet. Of all your points in the video the legal one is spot on. Besides a 12 gauge will get the job done inside a house.. ALWAYS
My grandfather left me an original Miroku that he brought back from Japan when deployed in the 60’s (that’s as the story goes, I don’t actually know how they did it haha). He passed away when my mom 17 so all his guns sat in a case until I was old enough to inherit them. It’s very special to me, so yeahhhh I love me a shotgun haha
Anyone that’s fired 5.56 indoors at a range with ear pro knows how loud it is. You’d have to train getting ear pro on (plus bringing a carbine into action) quickly in a high pressure self defense scenario. I had a middle of the night home invasion about 24 years ago…there is little time. Whatever you choose, it needs to be within arms length 100%. Bedside table is a good place!
Yes! More shotgun stuff. Shotguns have been getting the job done for a LONG time and still are king of the hill. Got a few AR’s but the old pump is the way to go when there’s a bump in the night. Thanks for the video.
1000% agreed. There's a reason that I have my Tac-Mossy 500 next to my nightstand when I go to sleep and pistols/rifles in my gun safe. If I could find a way to CC a Mossberg 500, I would.
When it comes to home defense NOTHING beats a shotgun. Use the right tool for the job at hand. I have ARs and AKs but it’s my 12ga. That’s in the rack on my bed when I go to sleep each night. Great video ,keep em coming.
I love shotguns AND ARs. I live 60 miles from the Mexico border in Texas. I keep both available in the house at ALL times, as well as a 357mag Ruger Security Six with 6" barrel AND a G17 (magazines, speed loaders, ammo carriers for the shotgun, etc.) Should anything manage to get into the home, the shotgun is the choice, ref Clint Smith. If events are taking place outside at night, I hop into my gear, grab the AR. We had an incident with uninvited illegals one night. They were trying to take my ranch truck. Many got away but we caught 12. Zip tied them and waited for an hour and half for Border Patrol to arrive. (my wife had her AR and was the overwatch). Both shotgun and AR SHOULD be in everyone's playbook. Yes, I am an old dinosaur, but I have used pump shotguns all my life. I spent 28yrs in the Army, infantry, and I have a LOT of time with the M16/M4 platform, and now ARs made however I want to set them up. To me it is not an either or. I look at it more like ice-cream AND cake. Yes please!
Retired LEO firearms instructor and SWAT operator. I love both the 12 gauge shotgun and the AR, and own/shoot many of each. IMHO, the shotgun is superior for civilian home defense. The shotgun is devastating within 50 yards and indoors, especially with premium ammo like Federal Flight Control. How many home defense shootings occur beyond 50 yards? Close to zero percent. Shotguns are more difficult to use, especially loading and recoil, so training is a must. Don't forget the important legal issues wisely cited by James. Other than defending an open western ranch or a Red Dawn scenario, the shotgun is just better. Every home should at least have a shotgun ready to rock and roll. Always carry your pistol too. The best thing about a pistol is you can always have it on your person. Any long gun is superior to a pistol, if available.
Let's not forget that any full power loading generally changes people's mind if they even survive. I'm not talking about 1oz #9 skeet loads at 1,100fps but 1-1/4oz #4 pheasant loads at 1,300fps. Far safer than a rifle or buckshot and still BRUTALLY effective within 5 yards.
Strange times we are living in. These days, I recommend everyone have at least a 12G pump shotgun, a concealable 9mm, and an AR-15 of whatever configuration.
Since Paul Harrel died, you’ve just taken the mantle of Boomer Gun Guy…”why your going to jail for cringe punisher, why shotguns are goated… “we see you James.
@@Jameskenomis3choose your words wisely. Hickok is the one who got a fair amount of people started on their gun journey. You may not like him for reasons? Your choice. You would be small minority.
I manage 38 apartments here in the Hood. The backstop for nearly every potential discharge is another home with a neighbor in it. Max shot range is 76' from the street, shortest is 20' around any corner. Mossberg 500A is my first choice. The 45 comes next.
@@Kelly-oq9nh I use 3" mag of #2 birdshot for home defense. Bigger than #4, but after it goes through a door, wall, or thug, there shouldn't be enough energy left to hurt anyone else. One of the big names of the era (of which I can't remember right now, of course) wrote an article in Guns and Ammo magazine way back in the '70's about what the absolute best home defense load was. For the "I don't want to hurt the neighbors, but the intruder has to go" category, 3" mags of either #2 or #4 birdshot won. The second best was a 3" mag of #4 buckshot. Honestly, I just don't understand why guys are so hooked on double 00 buckshot or slugs for home defense. Those pellets (or that slug) is/are gonna go right on through the bad guy, where as the smaller pellets will dump all their energy in said bad guy, and won't have much left by the time they exit.
Most 5.56mm rounds aren't overly penetrative. I can't count the number of times I've heard people claim that they're not going to use a carbine because they care about the neighbors, then describe their home defense handguns which typically tend to penetrate much more than carbine rounds through structural materials.
I think for a budget oriented person looking to get something substantial for home defense, a shotgun is THE option. But, if this person wanted to go to the range and shoot some targets, the AR is the do it all for multiple scenarios. Once you have the lower too, you can branch out into lots of different calibers. I love my .458 socom.
Being in California the advantage an AR/Mini 14 has in capacity is mitigated since we are stuck with 10 round magazines and when I grab the gun in the middle of the night I wouldn’t have an extra mag or two on my body. While my 940 PT only has 7 loaded, I don’t keep one in the chamber at bedside, I always have 7 extra on board with my Esstac card, which is always attached.
@@virtuaguyverify Literally every firearm only works well within their respective effective ranges due to the laws of physics. Just because you walk outside your house with a shotgun does not automatically mean you are a disadvantage. A choke can make the effective range of 00 buckshot out to 75 yards. Then there are slugs to hunt deer from 75 - 200 yards. I think people either forget these things or are not really familiar with shotgun capabilities.
Not a very powerful handgun, each pellet is like a .32ACP bullet. But them hitting all at the same time counts for a lot, nothing like a split time of 0.4 milliseconds.
I’ve always been team shotgun for home defense. I just don’t know how there can be an argument. If there’s a threat in your home, you want it stopped NOW, and the shotgun afford the most powerful “wrong house buddy” you’re gonna get.
Argument could be, you are used to your service pistol which you train with all the time. Muscle memory will kick in you are confident with the weapon and your abilities. Now you have a shotgun you never really used. Guess what the person will pick in an emergency situation.
@@sierraecho884 Yeah, there are certainly exceptions, but in the case you mentioned above, most people with a service pistol will have also had extensive practice with a shotgun. Having said this, yes a person will choose a weapon they know well over one they have only fired a couple of times even if said weapon is worse for the task with everything else being equal. Also, not everyone is built to use a 12 gauge easily. One of my exes for instance was literally only 95lbs. I'm sure she could have fired a 12 gauge and hit targets with it fine, but it would not have been an optimal fit for somebody her size.
@@kirbyjoe7484 "...most people with a service pistol will have also had extensive practice with a shotgun...." This was not the situation I mentioned though. My point was to show that there are always situations like that. A shotgun is objectively a better choice for that purpose (home defense) generally speaking. However they are many many other factors as well. As you have said as well, a person usually chooses the "tool" they are most accustomed to, whether it´s a hammer, camera or a pistol. "...Also, not everyone is built to use a 12 gauge easily...." That´s an interesting though. A small person like that, could or would probably prefer a .22 or 5.7mm. Firing a gun at a shooting range also differs significantly from firing it to stop an attacker in an emergency situation. Good points, thank you for your comment.
SBR 300 blackout suppressed trumps the shotgun. If a 22/9mm is argued to be good enough self defense power, 300BO even when subbed is plenty of power to kill a threat fast. Its used by special forces for a reason. Shotgun is arguably overkill. If you take 300 blackout to the chest/stomach and keep fighting, bra-fucking-vo you are a giga chad. While having less recoil, less ear shock, higher capacity and more accurate. And ALL guns with proper stopping power will go through walls if you miss.
@@azurumishinji1697 The pro for the shotgun is it is less accurate has a higher spread and is powerful. That´s the whole point. Common people are no special forces and they don´t need to take out a threat they want to fight off an intrudes, completely different things.
I took my friend to a show to see about him getting a maverick 88 7+1 shotgun for home defense. It's a very affordable option on a budget especially when the neighborhood is getting sketchy of late.
Having 27 pick up trucks is useless. I rather get a boat, a car, a motorbike, helicopter and airplane. They do different shit. I bet your 100 guns are all alike for the same general purpose and you are not properly used to one of them, so in an emergency situation you are missing muscle memory. Wondered why soldiers don´t use 10 type of different rifles ?
@@sierraecho884 As a former soldier, I can assure you that I am more than capable of using well over 10 types of different rifles. WTF are you even talking about pick up trucks for - that is a terrible analogy and does not work at all. A more appropriate analogy would be with kitchen knives - they all just cut stuff. I can say that I have around 15 different types of knives in my kitchen (+ more in my shed) as they each specialise in different tasks. I wouldn't use a cleaver to butter my bread, would I? I'd say the number of guns I have and explain their purposes but due to the country which I currently reside in, it wouldn't be a wise move for legal reasons.
@@BadBed1982 "...- that is a terrible analogy and does not work at all..." in your opinion. Why does it not work ? Okay let´s do vehicles then. You get a helicopter, Airplane, boat, car, motorbike. So you can travel by sea, air, land etc. Do you now get a different gun for a different room in your house ? A glock for the bathroom and the AR for the living room ? Are you using them simultaniously ? It may not make sense for you that´s fine. But in the end you yourself resorted to a comparison like that. With the knifes. Lets stay with the knifes then, why would you get 28 steak knifes each a different brand then ?
The advice given to me that I always keep in mind: Always assume your bedside firearm may be shown in court in an evidence bag to 12 non-firearm enthusiasts. We like to think that that shouldn't and wouldn't matter, but it does.
Also assume you won't get it back. And it'll be battered if you do. I'm always amused by people who use family heirlooms, valuable collectibles, and expensive custom items for serious purposes. "But I NEED my $5000 Nighthawk for the 2-percent increase in theoretical accuracy... when shooting at a man 10 feet away!"
I dont really care about the opinions of people who aren't coming to my defense. I have a carbine that I'm comfortable enough to operate blindfolded, and thats how its gonna stay.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballzwhen those people hold your freedom in your hands you care. Unless you’re just as dense as the people they choose to be on grand juries.
I never left the shotty. I have many rifles and choose a suppressed 11.5” AR as my “go to” long gun for home defense but my 590A1 will always sit right next to it. It’s another tool in the toolbox.
Don't listen to Gary, you're not a fool. Your 11.5" AR is a perfectly valid option. Especially with a suppressor inside a house. The 590A1 is a good "outside" gun. In the dark.
Target loads are cheaper than 5.56, but unless you are actually shooting clays, target loads aren't much fun. A bunch of tiny little dots on a paper target isn't impressive. It's true that slugs and 00 buck are more expensive than 5.56, but you can get cheap Winchester shells of each for around $1 per round. I understand that "double the cost per round" makes it sound expensive for a day at the range, but think about how quickly you can mag dump and AR, and how long it would take to cycle through 30 rounds in a Mossberg 500. The shotgun's slower cyclic rate and longer reload time will take care of the cost disadvantage. Also, you should always have something in 22lr to fill out your range time. Something slow to load, like a Ruger Wrangler is a cheap way to keep busy at the range while spending a minimum on ammo.
I shot over 1,000 shells of 12ga standard target birdshot for a state Trap shoot competition when I was 16 years old and didn't have a single bruise. Shotguns aren't as hard as you think they are to control with the recoil feeling more like a push instead of a jerk - so long as you are properly holding your shotgun.
I prefer a Bob Allen hunting jacket, a box of pop tarts, and a trusty Winchester 1897 to handle those pesky intruders. So, as always, don't try this at home, I'm what you call a professional, and... sorry, I'm in a state of something right now and your video really helped. Love me some boomsticks.
For a home defense weapon, make sure everyone in the house can use it. Also, dont go to the door with a long gun. If it is the police, they may shoot you or arrest you. I think the main disadvantage to the shotgun today is ammo capacity. If it is a home invasion, you may be fighting a crew. I have been using the 870 since the sixties and one is ready to go near my bed. It has a side saddle and extended tube. Next to it is a 40 round snap on shell belt with an M7 bayonet attached. Ammo is the low recoil OO buck that shoots a 12 inch pattern at 25 yards. With the lighter recoil you can shoot it a bit faster. Practice reloading is a must. I also have 2 semiauto shotguns with 10 shot detachable magazines as backup. For my handicapped wife I have an AR-15 in 9mm that she can handle easily. CorBon 115 gr ammo goes 1515 FPS from the 16 in barrel. Concerning recoil, get a Kick-EZZZ pad. Really works. I also think Ghost Ring Sights are a must. All this is JMHO. Great video. Great info.
If it's the police, don't go to the door at all. They are NEVER there for good news. I don't even let anyone SEE me through the door unless I recognize the voice yelling my name. Everyone else can stand in the rain until they give up.
@@stevenscott2136 seriously, who are these people that answer their door? I haven't answered a door for someone that I didn't know was coming since like 2006.
I'm with the guy who said "if I could only have one gun, it would be a shotgun". As a hunter, it'll take anything from rabbits to moose including feral hogs (though a 300 yards away pronghorn would be pretty safe).
for "legal reasons", a 20 ga. Shotgun lookz so much "friendlier" to a jury, but really packs a pretty reasonable "whump" at 5-10 metres! 20 ga slug manages about 70% of 12 ga muzzle energy, and it's possible to get #0 and #1 buckshot in 20 ga.
@@imperfectlump6070 That's part of the reason I have my 28 gauge browning pump that's been in my family for 3 generations starting with my grandfather, and with Brenneke slugs(crazy hard to come by), and cut shells I still have more than enough power to take out a dirtbag breaking into my house without the huge recoil since I'm a small guy at 5ft 4in tall, and 145 lbs soaking wet.
My girl wasn’t too happy when I bought my 1301 Tac, and James is to blame for that. But like I told her, you wouldn’t use a face scrub as a moisturizer, so why would I want to use my pistol for bird hunting?
I love both Ar-15 and Shotgun. Just hate carrying bulky shotgun ammo around. An Ar-15 extra mag is easier to carry for me. More versus vids please! Want to see the Mini 14 in action again soon.
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Shotguns look cool with bayonets, and looking cool is what matters.
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ARs look cool with bayonets too. Everything looks cool with a bayonet.
@@clydemarshall8095 Oh yea then why did I get arrested for lewd behavior last week for where I stuck my bayonet?
Can’t put a chainsaw grip on an ar….
@@clydemarshall8095Nah, bayonets only belong on shotguns and AKs, not ARs.
I think you are the first person to pronounce my channel name correctly. I would add that shotgun rounds are the easiest type of ammo to hand load, requiring very little specialized equipment.
I love your channel.
That's a highly underrated feature. I've reloaded hulls i've dug out of the dirt
It was refreshing
You’ve got to be kidding. Everybody’s heard Johann Strauss’s great waltz. Right?
Since my girlfriend left me in in '01 I've been an exclusive handloader. I just have a lot more time on my hands...Among other things.
Pro-tip, if you have a Mossberg 940 and you want to quickly hot swap in a slug for some medium range or body armor action take one hand and slightly push up the loadgate about a 1/4" while you rack it back and that will stop the next round from feeding and allow you to drop a slug in the chamber. You don't need a fancy euro gun. Murica!!! 🦅🇺🇸
Love my 940 pro T
I explain this to non gun guys all the time. Different guns are better suited to certain roles than others. They ask why do you need so many guns? I ask them why they need so many golf clubs? They each excel at a specific thing.
What's absolutely absurd is how much gear the average bass fisherman owns. At least $500 worth of rods and reels alone. I've used the same $40 set-up for like 6 years. Hell; I've caught a fish with a homemade rod attached to a $5 reel.
I use that exact argument with people, only its kitchen knives, or shoes. Have changed a few minds that way!
No one needs 14 golf clubs.
We need some common sense club control legislation.
@@madaxe606 Who owns more than 2 pair of boots? You got your muddy pair and your wedding pair. Who needs more? Where the hell you going that's so special? You got special feet or something? Wanna fight about it?
@@houselightkell Dude you can't use a crankbait rod for drop shotting!
Paul Harrell (R.I.P.) once said that "if the sight of any gun was to stop someone from doing something they shouldn't be doing, a double-barrel would do it." (That's a paraphrase but you get the point.)
I get the point.
I miss you Paul. 😢
I used to keep an old Stevens 12 ga. double with an 18.5" barrels in my office at a strip club in Maryvale area of Phoenix, aka barrio. A PPD officer who was a regular once saw it in the office. He said that if he saw that pointed at him, he would laugh. I absolutely could not believe that he said that to me. He was a training officer who worked at their shooting range near South Mountain in Phoenix. It was a WTF moment.
@@602VL Well, he would have his last laugh before dirt-nap time.
I prefer the sound of a pump action. That noise alone can make a grown man shit his pants.
Different tools for different jobs. Tactical shotguns are my favorite category of defense guns because they fit my environment best. Rifles are great for other situations, so I own them too.
Also, the fact that a jury would say “The defense itself was justified, but the weapon used was not” is insane. That’s exactly why I don’t live anywhere near a big city.
I don't think it's an "unjustified weapon" situation, exactly. It's more... Well... Let's imagine a guy whose deepest desire is to kill a "home invader." He has some wooded property, let's say, bordering public land. He has a fence, but it's in poor repair, with a lot of gaps. He has a few "no trespassing" signs, but again, poor repair, nailed to trees with moss growing on them, no lights and no reflectors or anything. And the way he spends his time is not in the house watching TV, but up in a "hunting blind" he's set up near the property line, with IR cameras, just waiting for someone to wander over his property line.
Now, if THAT guy shot a trespasser, you'd want to be REALLY sure that this person wasn't just lost. And if it just so happened that he let this person walk out of camera view before he shot them, claiming it was "self defense" because they were armed... You'd want some real evidence that he didn't just wait for a hunter to lose his bearings a little, wander over the property line, and then shoot them.
Obviously my imaginary Predator-LARP guy is an absurd example, but I think we've all met a guy who is maybe a step or two farther in that direction than anybody should be, right? A guy where you're kinda worried that sooner or later he's gonna let one fly at a meter-reader, or because the neighbor's cousin is coming to visit and gets the wrong house, or something. And hopefully he's not so far gone that he kills anyone, but still, it's going to be a terrifying experience for someone. At the VERY least, even if you're sure that everyone you've ever met is too sound and sensible to ever DO that, I know you know that guy who TALKS like that.
Well, juries have heard that guy talk too. They're familiar with the notion that some people out there are a little TOO eager to "defend themselves," and that affects their assessment of the situation. I don't think they're right to put so much focus on "what kind of gun was it," of course. But it does seem to me that they're misjudging one piece of evidence, rather than inventing some complete nonsense.
@@trioptimum9027 The majority of Americans don't know anything about firearms and, in the absence of other information, are prone to believe stereotypes.
Your firearm choice should not matter - it's not a material fact - but juries absolutely are swayed by conjecture and stereotypes. It's worth bearing that in mind when choosing a home defense gun.
And that's why it might make sense to own, say, a Winchester M1897 and not a Mossberg with a synthetic stock and a red dot and a flashlight and a vertical foregrip and a cupholder or whatever.
Bonus reason, shotguns will help you kick ass when you are all out of bubble gum.
And, I'm ALL OUT OF BUBBLE GUM.
Great movie and great line
That's from Duke Nukem
@@KBoon Also "They Live"
Love that Duke Nukum quote...
Shotguns are optimal for disabling most drones
How many of us need that capability?
@@darrelldunlap7249have you been watching what’s going on in Ukraine?
@@darrelldunlap7249 If you want that capability then get one. If you don’t then don’t get one. Everyone has to decide for themselves what is preferred or required. Some people need a Pickup Truck other people need a Jeep other folks need a Tiny Sedan because gasoline so expensive. Operator needs to decide what is preferred.
@@shakie6074And AGAIN: how many of US need that capability?
@@deebee4575everyone
I've always been a rifle guy, but it's hard to deny the shotgun's power. I used an 870 for over 16 years on duty and am very comfortable with one.
“…A shotgun will take it dirtier than a Walmart toilet seat.” 😂 Makes you laugh and your skin crawl all at the same time. Amazing.
I'm sitting on one now and it hates me. Walmart coincidentally still sells those and shells.
I know right...who poops in a walmart?
As someone who used to have to clean those toilets, you have no idea. 🤢
You want to go hunting for cougars. BACKSHOTS. 😂HILARIOUS
Seeing your dad piledriving your mom made me almost piss myself. 😂
All I can hear is that blooper from parks and Rec about Kim kardashian. Cuz everyone loves a good comeback story.
Damn i have been hunting cougars all wrong!?!? Jello shots tequila ffs!!!
LMFAO He just doesn't miss a beat! No blinking, no chuckles, just the facts with a straight face 😂
@@dbcooper6592 hunting cougars or BEING hunted by a cougar ?? I prefer being hunted !
Been a shotgun guy for a lot of years, own and shoot 97’s and Browning A5’s and am in the market for a 1301 soon…the legal aspect in defense shootings is no small matter. Great content.
My dad gave me a Browning Auto 5 for my 12th birthday. Belgian made, 16 gauge. I've bagged so many squirrel, grouse and rabbit with that thing. Has some trouble with modern ammo but usually runs Remington just fine. My son turns 16 soon so I may have to give it to him lol.
"Pistols put holes in people. Rifles put holes through people. Shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit from your opponent and throw that shit on the floor" -Clint Smith 😂😎🇺🇸
The end is the best part - “you’ll have to get someone to clean it up with a shovel”
I fucking wish I’d saved enough $ to go to Thunder Ranch and train under Clint. And I’m no closer today financially. And I hate to say it but the clock is ticking fast on that opportunity.
I'm so tired of hearing this get quoted any time shotguns or rifles are compared to anything.
Man I’ve never heard that before! Said absolutely nobody. I could imagine a convo with these dudes.
Clint Smith is a legend. There is a playlist called “Raw Clint” on YT and it is a gold mine.
Finally, an American brave enough to talk about the lethality of a 3-inch Backshot.
Haha, I get it
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Man I really love your videos but I'll take my AR any day over a shotgun if that were my only two choices.
6 Reasons why a Shotgun is Better
1: Ash didn't grab an AR and named it his "Boomstick" when he fought the EvilDead
2: Hicks didn't grab an AR for close encounters with Xenomorphs
3: Doomguy didn't save Earth from the legions of hell with an AR
4: John Wick didn't ask for an AR to be Bold and Robust
5: The T-800 didn't hide a AR in a box of roses
6: Officer Tubs of Miami didn't carry a AR in a leather shoulder holster under his suit jacket while on duty
This is the most compelling argument I've ever seen
Number 5 is gospel
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Hicks carrying one that far in the future was always the selling point for me..I mean of all the weapons he had to choose from as a space marine that far advanced, he chose a pump action shotgun.
John wick chose the AR Shotgun to have the versatility of both. He also cleared the streets with a shotgun (KSG 12)
The main reason a shotgun is better than an AR-15 is that an AR-15 won't give you cool bruises on your shoulder.
Ummm my shotgun can fire 3in slugs
12 gauge is great until those 3.5 inch magnum shells
Facts.
While it’s funny, if you’re getting bruised by a 12 gauge you may be doing something wrong. I’ve shot plenty of 3 inch magnum turkey loads and various slugs including black magic magnums through my coach gun and no bruising. Felt it the rest of the day though.
Besides killer recoil, if pictures show up in court with a mutilated body from a Shotgun, will you turn into the villian?
In WW1 the Germans filed a protest with the Hague complaining about the use of shotguns by American troops as being against the rules of war due to their shocking effectiveness.
This from the people who started using flamethrowers and poison gas
...and what would they have said if Allies had AR's?
the germans cried about every weapon used against them. the shotgun was not a tangible factor of the first war.
No, the complaint was that the damage they caused was near-impossible for field medics to patch up in WW1 trench conditions while, statistically speaking, not being any more lethal than a rifle round. This meant anyone shot with a shotgun, even if they had medics attend him on the spot, was likely to die a long, drawn-out death. Besides this, it was also argued that the shotgun and a rifle were similar enough that on a battlefield, it was difficult to tell them apart in an enemy soldier’s kit, which meant that soldiers who might have otherwise surrendered had they known they were going to get blasted with 12 Gauge didn’t do so.
TLDR it caused unnecessary suffering while being no more effective in combat.
Hypocrisy at its finest, unbelievable.
Like my local US Law and Shield lawyer said to me, "buckshot gives you 9 shots for the price of 1 in a self-defense scenario" and he highly recommends it.
That's a pretty strong argument
@@ADJ1229 might end up being known as the best 'bang for your buck' defense in terms of overall costs
@@762x69 I really love how it seems lame in the minds of DAs and juries. Just using grandad's gun... As my 12G sits against my bed
#4 Turkey shot works better
@@johnketchun2816 agreed but I would say only for apartments to limit over penetration. In my home now, buck especially flight control is the way to go since I have more yardage to work with.
It was the taofledermaus name drop for me. Chefs kiss 👌
Does anyone else think Taofledermaus sounds like a early 2000's DJ?
It's like that little girl once said, "Why don't we have both?"
I’m in the military and am well trained with my M4. I’ve still kept a 12 Gauge Mossberg on hand as my go-to home defense and hunting weapon for almost two decades now. Learning about the jury stuff helps cement that fact.
Yep, and thanks for your service.
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@@warriorworkouts5397 Jessica lynch would agree
If you fire off 18 projectiles from a shotgun, nobody bats an eye.
But if you dump 20 rounds from an AR, everyone (Prosecutor/Jury) loses their minds.
It's such BS lmao.
The jury stuff is paramount!
Bought a 940 Pro after watching your videos on it. It's like a sore wang, you just can't beat it.
James sold me one with that video too 😂
Me too😂👍🏾
Oh, I'm so stealing that one lol.
Love my 940 pro tactical
Humor and facts!! Just one of many reason's James is the MAN! Wish I never traded my mossburg 500 for a gen 3 glock....
I bought a Mossberg Maverick 30 years ago for $150 - it is still in the collection and is ready for action if needed. Tube full, rack, fire, repeat.
I bought an AR15 about three months ago after years of disparaging them. I'm still not really sure what changed my mind, but I am enjoying getting to know the AR15.
If I had to grab a gun to repel a home invasion, the Mossberg wins every time.
Because you are most used to the shotgun. Same would be true if you had a .22 pistol, you would use the pistol.
I love shotguns for typical handgun distance self defense scenarios.
One thing James didn't mention: There is no such thing as an "AR-15 wedding." 😎
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Usmc diplomatic security. Had a Remington 870 police tactical. Loved it. Had buck or slug. I always loaded slug. We operated in the embassy building and perimeters. You'd go from hallway and room clearing to 100 yard distances outside the building. Nobody f'ed with a jarhead toting a 12 gauge. 870 is still my go to today and bug out gun. If anyone remembers during covid, 12 gauge was still on most shelves when all other ammo was gone for months.
Ammo availability and price are huge, you're absolutely right about being able to find shotgun shells long after the 5.56 is gone. Army vet here, I had a Mossberg 590 up in my MRAP turret in Iraq loaded with buckshot. Door breacher, and in case any scumbags thought they were gonna climb on the truck and 'nade us.
If you are buying ammo after a crisis kicks off, you're wrong. And at least in my area, 12 and 20 gauge was completely out of stock (along with basically everything else, including reloading supplies) shortly after COVID hit.
Navy. I absolutely agree with your statement that nobody f-s around with a Marine with a shotgun! I did a couple of tours with base security and was trained on combat shotgun tactics by a Marine 0311. We trained on Mossburg 500 and Remington 870 (both 12 ga.). I thought I knew shotguns before that, boy was I wrong! It became my preferred weapon for home defense, initially due to familiarity, but primarily to prevent over penetration in my home. 12 ga. was also always available in my area during Covid as well.
@@w.p.958 Funny thing is when I got out and bought a home most of my neighbors are veterans and/or law enforcement. They all preferred a good pump action for general purpose applications. I was in the same predicament when I was trained for Embassy protection. I thought I knew shotguns. Boy did I learn that week lol. If I remember correctly the embassy takeover in Iran the MSG stopped one entry by simply racking the action. Of course they made entry elsewhere in the embassy and it all fell apart.
@@Kriss_L 100% agree that it is good idea to have ammo on hand at all times. Sorry to hear your area was dry. I am in a blue state but shotgun ammo was plentiful. Weird. But at least I could go target shooting with my 870 Tactical.
Spot on video. Context is everything. Knowing the correct tool to use in which circumstance makes life easier.
Love my ARs, but the shotgun is my choice for home defense. I was told in a class once, "A shotgun is what you bring when you know you're going to be in a pistol fight."
@@michaelmurdock4607 He was shooting Virgil Earp's shotgun, who gave it up because he didn't want to spook everyone right off with the kill machine.
@JohnDoe-qw4gc while this is true, doc was known for handling a short shotty real well. He was a georgia boy after all
But that’s just it, you don’t know it’s a “pistol only” fight. Home defense is all just a roll of the dice, so why settle for less you’ve got the means for more?
@No-1.In.Particular but he heard it in a class! So it must be true!!!! But yeah, I've definitely NOT seen ANY videos of MULTIPLE home invaders who have ANYTHING other than GLAWKS. My 5+1 pump action simply CAN'T fall short 😎
Naw its any long gun....a pistol is only for getting to your long gun
For years, I was keeping the mossburg for home defense when everyone else switched to ARs. Got called a fudd relentlessly for it, but I'm glad people are coming around again.
At this point, fudd has become a buzz word in the gun community.
Hey as long as you aren't voting for accessory and gun bans, then you're no fudd. You can tell your buddies that. Only gunowners that vote for gun bans and accessory bans are fudds.
They can however call you a gun boomer.
Wild stuff, there’s no comparison for home defense power🤌🏽 Not to mention it’s forgiving if your aim isn’t 100%
Nobody is "coming around" and youre still a fudd. I love shotguns, theyre a ton of fun but not relevant in any job an AR can do.
You wouldn't want the AR in a small space with no ear pro.
This was actually pretty well done👏🏼 Color me impressed
10:57 I continue to say this the Maverick 88 is the best value OF ALL NEW FiREARMS. you can hunt, protect, and plink with the huge variety of 12ga ammo
Ehhhhh... its pretty bad at hunting. Its like saying you can race with a Toyota Corolla. Regardless, you aren't wrong about the best value proposition though.
New??? i bought my maverick in the early 90's still have it and still runs well
Shotguns and ARs are awesome. Simple as that. Also, as someone who grew up super into Nerf blasters, when I got into firearms and got myself a used Mossberg 500, I never had any issues with short-stroking or any of the other various user error problems. I had already unintentionally trained through it all as a kid. I DON'T KNOW HOW RELEVANT THIS POINT IS BUT IT COUNTS FOR ME.
Outstanding information dump, hit all the points. Well done.
The best way I ever heard it put was "If I can only have one firearm it'll be a shotgun.... Thankfully I can have more than one."
I gave that hypothetical a good, hard thought and came up with 2 outcomes: firearm in the colloquial sense (meaning I can also have it suppressed) it would be a 22LR pistol, like a MK4. Firearm in the legal sense, Mossberg 590.
Either way, I had to look at my ARs and give them the bad news 😂
My bold predictions. 1. A maverick 88 is $200. 2. Would you rather explain 1 trigger pull to the jury or 9 trigger pulls? 3. You get a bigger adrenaline rush at the range. 4,5,6 you can stop a wide variety of threats with birdshot, buckshot, and slugs.
What threat will birdshot, buckshot, and slugs deal with that a 75 grain .556 won’t?
birdshot deals with swarms of drones with c4 strapped to them. #4 buckshot won't over penetrate in your apartment. Slugs will penetrate the skulls of dangerous wildlife.
@@forkthepork a 1,000 pound charging grizzly bear isn't going to care about your little .22 caliber bullets.
@@forkthepork A bear or drug crazed individual , but hey be my guest and go into bear country with an AR .
@@apexkeeper I agree. I am attacked by very large grizzly bears on a daily basis.
I am considering all the options for home and outdoor defense in response to conversations with neighbors. I keep coming back to a 12 pump as a first/only weapon, add from there. Especially in mobile home communities with fly paper paneling and Reynolds Wrap siding. Gives so many options and in most of the 50 states it will adequately deal with any threat while camping/etc. 👍👍
Its simple, For personal protection when your out and about - pistol
In home defense best option is a 12g
beyond that ranch/woodland defense - ar
You're not wrong.
I mean, I’d much rather 30rds of 77grOTM in my 11.5AR Any day of the week over my 6 shell Moss500
Idk how this is a highly debatable answer lol
Because the output and speed of a shotgun outpaces an 11.5 ar by orders of magnitude.
@@jonwilbeck01 Not according to the statistics even shown in the video
@@SamCulperJr”Idk how someone would have a different use-case and different opinion than me lol lol”
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Since I went from an AR 15 to a Beretta AL 391, my sporting clays scores went way up. The gun club is happier too!
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Not to mention the people living miles downrange!
I've got a 391 also. Great choice!
So, That chart (2:50 - 3:00 ) shows the 32s have a 70% effective incapacitation index, while the next closest is the 380 and then the 357, both around 60 %. I am calling Bovine Excrement.
statistics in this debate suck for this reason: if i have 50,000 cases of .357 shootings and 25,000 of them end in one shot… i can still have 10,000 cases of .22 being used in a shooting with 6,000 ending in one shot.
so the statistics would reflect .22 as being more lethal and a better self defense option compared to .357 even though thats blatantly untrue.
edit: same can be applied to other major statistics. we used to think the average troglodyte hominid lived to only 20 years old, when in reality they could live to 70 or 80 years old but the infant death rate was so high that the average age became 20.
You missed the 22lr
My former father in law once told me ,”It’s funny how a person’s face and attitude changes when you slip a shotgun out of your coat .” 😂
Wonder what he did for a living?🤔
That's a big coat.
Good man 👍
Smol shotgun@@davec.3198
I suspect that most people that come across 5 armed men, 4 with pistols and one with a shotgun, are going to notice the guy with the shotgun more
"you're simply going to expire, or wish you did" had me on the floor.
Shotgun vs AR15? -- The answer is always: Depends [on the job].
For a decade I’ve shot in our local trap league. I used mostly a Mossberg 500 that I got out the door from Big 5 sporting goods for $300. To test its reliability, I’ve decided this one would be a test mule and I purposely don’t clean it. I’ve put between 10,000 and 15,000 rounds through it. I’ve had multiple times where I’ve gotten multiple times where I’ve gotten to 2,000 rounds between cleanings. The original plastic forend that has those two bars pinned fell apart around 8,000 rounds (plastic part where the pins crumbled apart). That was the biggest issue so I just went to the traditional metal part and a wooden forend. I did notice when it was dirty, say over 1,000 rounds, that if I sprayed some lube in it that within the first 25 rounds I would get one light primer strike and then it would work reliably again; I have had that happen about a half a dozen times over the years. It took me a few times before I became aware of it and then I knew it was a thing. Not a big deal. Again, I don’t keep my home defense shotgun this dirty. Only my test mule 500, which I love.
Tarns people have their own league ? Huh that´s odd, the US is always surprising me time and time again.
Agree. Shotgun if they are bringing the fight to me, rifle if I’m taking it to them.
That is exactly the point.
You should be using the same weapon, whichever one you can operate under stress.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballzyou should be able to operate more than one type of firearm under stress
Why not a rifle when theyre brining it to you? Is it less effective?
@@PotzyMccoythis wouldn’t always be the case, but in a home invasion type situation where you don’t need to clear the house, hunkered down covering your bedroom door with a shotgun is probably your best bet
Came here from Paul Harrel's "shotguns don't suck" video (R.I.P. Paul, you will be dearly missed).
Nobody wants to fight the naked guy with a shotgun and bayonet.
Ideal layout, COD are cowards for not adding naked characters
Picked up a Winchester model 1300 Defender about 15 years ago. A great pump action shotgun and home defense tool.
I recently attended a weekend at Thunder Ranch upon your recommendation with my Landon Tactical baretta 1301, and I am thoroughly convinced that a shotgun can resolve any problem. If I could carry one in my waistband I would. I have a lot of Rifles, PCCs, and handguns, but when we take road trips, go off-roading, or camping I keep my shotgun within reach. And it is absolutely without question my go to weapon for any bump in the night over my nightstand pistol.
I have a bunch of AR's from various eras. They are good guns but I gave a loaded Winchester 1300 in my Bedroom closet and a Ithaca Model 37 loaded in the downstairs closet. Of all your points in the video the legal one is spot on. Besides a 12 gauge will get the job done inside a house.. ALWAYS
I am more of an AK/7.62×39 man myself, but the shotgun's role is undeniable.
Why did you choose the AK over any other rifle ?
Really? It's freaking awesome maybe!@@sierraecho884
THANK YOU for making this video.
My grandfather left me an original Miroku that he brought back from Japan when deployed in the 60’s (that’s as the story goes, I don’t actually know how they did it haha). He passed away when my mom 17 so all his guns sat in a case until I was old enough to inherit them. It’s very special to me, so yeahhhh I love me a shotgun haha
Anyone that’s fired 5.56 indoors at a range with ear pro knows how loud it is. You’d have to train getting ear pro on (plus bringing a carbine into action) quickly in a high pressure self defense scenario. I had a middle of the night home invasion about 24 years ago…there is little time. Whatever you choose, it needs to be within arms length 100%. Bedside table is a good place!
Right! And 556 is loud indoors even with ear pro. I can’t imagine what it would do to your ear drums with out any protection inside
Yes! More shotgun stuff. Shotguns have been getting the job done for a LONG time and still are king of the hill. Got a few AR’s but the old pump is the way to go when there’s a bump in the night. Thanks for the video.
1000% agreed. There's a reason that I have my Tac-Mossy 500 next to my nightstand when I go to sleep and pistols/rifles in my gun safe. If I could find a way to CC a Mossberg 500, I would.
When it comes to home defense NOTHING beats a shotgun. Use the right tool for the job at hand. I have ARs and AKs but it’s my 12ga. That’s in the rack on my bed when I go to sleep each night. Great video ,keep em coming.
I love shotguns AND ARs. I live 60 miles from the Mexico border in Texas. I keep both available in the house at ALL times, as well as a 357mag Ruger Security Six with 6" barrel AND a G17 (magazines, speed loaders, ammo carriers for the shotgun, etc.) Should anything manage to get into the home, the shotgun is the choice, ref Clint Smith. If events are taking place outside at night, I hop into my gear, grab the AR. We had an incident with uninvited illegals one night. They were trying to take my ranch truck. Many got away but we caught 12. Zip tied them and waited for an hour and half for Border Patrol to arrive. (my wife had her AR and was the overwatch). Both shotgun and AR SHOULD be in everyone's playbook. Yes, I am an old dinosaur, but I have used pump shotguns all my life. I spent 28yrs in the Army, infantry, and I have a LOT of time with the M16/M4 platform, and now ARs made however I want to set them up. To me it is not an either or. I look at it more like ice-cream AND cake. Yes please!
I had a Security 6. Dumbest thing I ever did was sell it.
@@jamesnelson7741 They are holding their price strong on the used market. They are available, but they are NOT cheap in very good condition.
Shotgun literally first firearm I recommend to everyone. It's more practical as a tool in general.
"door to door salesman - dragonbreath" ))))))) damn that made my day
Retired LEO firearms instructor and SWAT operator. I love both the 12 gauge shotgun and the AR, and own/shoot many of each. IMHO, the shotgun is superior for civilian home defense. The shotgun is devastating within 50 yards and indoors, especially with premium ammo like Federal Flight Control. How many home defense shootings occur beyond 50 yards? Close to zero percent. Shotguns are more difficult to use, especially loading and recoil, so training is a must. Don't forget the important legal issues wisely cited by James. Other than defending an open western ranch or a Red Dawn scenario, the shotgun is just better. Every home should at least have a shotgun ready to rock and roll. Always carry your pistol too. The best thing about a pistol is you can always have it on your person. Any long gun is superior to a pistol, if available.
Let's not forget that any full power loading generally changes people's mind if they even survive. I'm not talking about 1oz #9 skeet loads at 1,100fps but 1-1/4oz #4 pheasant loads at 1,300fps. Far safer than a rifle or buckshot and still BRUTALLY effective within 5 yards.
Strange times we are living in. These days, I recommend everyone have at least a 12G pump shotgun, a concealable 9mm, and an AR-15 of whatever configuration.
@@MattC-eo6ep Leo's have no clue with firearms
@@garypiont6114 thanks for your brilliant contribution, Mr Pion.
"Important legal issues" a mock study.
Maverick 88 is absolutely no frills but is an absolute tank.
Since Paul Harrel died, you’ve just taken the mantle of Boomer Gun Guy…”why your going to jail for cringe punisher, why shotguns are goated… “we see you James.
I agree in spirit but technically Paul Harrell was a Gen X and James Reeves is a Millenial. Hickok 45 is the official Boomer Gun Guy.
@@VincitOmniaVeritas7 yup. Gen X is getting old now.
Did you just call James a boomer? Sick burn!
@@VincitOmniaVeritas7 Hickok is overrated.
@@Jameskenomis3choose your words wisely. Hickok is the one who got a fair amount of people started on their gun journey.
You may not like him for reasons? Your choice. You would be small minority.
James, my mom JUST took a trip to cancun...WITHOUT MY DAD. what do you know?
I think James went with..😂😂
Great video and awesome information as always.
I knew when I saw the thumbnail uncle Clint would be quoted. Best description ever goes to uncle. Clint
I manage 38 apartments here in the Hood. The backstop for nearly every potential discharge is another home with a neighbor in it. Max shot range is 76' from the street, shortest is 20' around any corner. Mossberg 500A is my first choice. The 45 comes next.
#4 birdshot eh?
@@Kelly-oq9nh I use 3" mag of #2 birdshot for home defense. Bigger than #4, but after it goes through a door, wall, or thug, there shouldn't be enough energy left to hurt anyone else. One of the big names of the era (of which I can't remember right now, of course) wrote an article in Guns and Ammo magazine way back in the '70's about what the absolute best home defense load was. For the "I don't want to hurt the neighbors, but the intruder has to go" category, 3" mags of either #2 or #4 birdshot won. The second best was a 3" mag of #4 buckshot.
Honestly, I just don't understand why guys are so hooked on double 00 buckshot or slugs for home defense. Those pellets (or that slug) is/are gonna go right on through the bad guy, where as the smaller pellets will dump all their energy in said bad guy, and won't have much left by the time they exit.
Most 5.56mm rounds aren't overly penetrative. I can't count the number of times I've heard people claim that they're not going to use a carbine because they care about the neighbors, then describe their home defense handguns which typically tend to penetrate much more than carbine rounds through structural materials.
@floorpizza8074 Tightest pattern from my Mossy 12 is from 0 buck Aguila @ 7 yards. Next best #4 buck - all guided by suitable red dot.
I think for a budget oriented person looking to get something substantial for home defense, a shotgun is THE option.
But, if this person wanted to go to the range and shoot some targets, the AR is the do it all for multiple scenarios. Once you have the lower too, you can branch out into lots of different calibers. I love my .458 socom.
You don’t see people walking away from a 12 gauge boom-stick blast at short range. Plus racking it at an indoor range is old school awesome.
Being in California the advantage an AR/Mini 14 has in capacity is mitigated since we are stuck with 10 round magazines and when I grab the gun in the middle of the night I wouldn’t have an extra mag or two on my body. While my 940 PT only has 7 loaded, I don’t keep one in the chamber at bedside, I always have 7 extra on board with my Esstac card, which is always attached.
Yup also in a 10 round state and even 5 rounds of buckshot in the tube is 45 pieces of lead ready to go
This video was great highlighting the shotgun's versatility. If you want even more versatility, get a single shot 12 ga. and use cartridge adapters.
A shot gun is a portable claymore mine. End of argument. Dismissed!
Exactly but it only works well in it's range. I walk outside my house and I'm at a disadvantage
@@garypiont6114 Exactly... And it gives you more than one shot !
TOUCHE'
a claymore mine, is a portable claymore mine. Tf was that argument 🤣
@@virtuaguyverify Literally every firearm only works well within their respective effective ranges due to the laws of physics. Just because you walk outside your house with a shotgun does not automatically mean you are a disadvantage. A choke can make the effective range of 00 buckshot out to 75 yards. Then there are slugs to hunt deer from 75 - 200 yards. I think people either forget these things or are not really familiar with shotgun capabilities.
Getting hit with one 00 buckshot round is the equivalent to about a half a mag dump from a handgun
Or a full mag if your in California lol
Not a very powerful handgun, each pellet is like a .32ACP bullet. But them hitting all at the same time counts for a lot, nothing like a split time of 0.4 milliseconds.
@@Treblaine flitecontrol wad go brrrr
@@ivankrylov6270 Inside a household they're just expensive slugs.
yup, equal to 9 .38 rounds or 7 9mm rounds, but its the simultaneous wound tracks that is the parabolic multiplyer
Thanks for the points... and the John Woo recommendation!
Great video. I’m grabbing Benelli over my AR for sure in a home defense situation.
Might be a sign of needing a better AR. A short one in 300 BLK, suppressed.
@@forkthepork No, it’s a sign that Benelli m4 is the ultimate cqb weapon, ARlets need their whole gun to be aluminum and plastic just to lift it up
@@jakejanssen4319 mine has stainless steel and other stuff in it too… keep simping for that garbage tube tho.
I’ve always been team shotgun for home defense. I just don’t know how there can be an argument. If there’s a threat in your home, you want it stopped NOW, and the shotgun afford the most powerful “wrong house buddy” you’re gonna get.
Argument could be, you are used to your service pistol which you train with all the time. Muscle memory will kick in you are confident with the weapon and your abilities. Now you have a shotgun you never really used. Guess what the person will pick in an emergency situation.
@@sierraecho884 Yeah, there are certainly exceptions, but in the case you mentioned above, most people with a service pistol will have also had extensive practice with a shotgun. Having said this, yes a person will choose a weapon they know well over one they have only fired a couple of times even if said weapon is worse for the task with everything else being equal.
Also, not everyone is built to use a 12 gauge easily. One of my exes for instance was literally only 95lbs. I'm sure she could have fired a 12 gauge and hit targets with it fine, but it would not have been an optimal fit for somebody her size.
@@kirbyjoe7484 "...most people with a service pistol will have also had extensive practice with a shotgun...." This was not the situation I mentioned though.
My point was to show that there are always situations like that. A shotgun is objectively a better choice for that purpose (home defense) generally speaking. However they are many many other factors as well.
As you have said as well, a person usually chooses the "tool" they are most accustomed to, whether it´s a hammer, camera or a pistol.
"...Also, not everyone is built to use a 12 gauge easily...." That´s an interesting though. A small person like that, could or would probably prefer a .22 or 5.7mm.
Firing a gun at a shooting range also differs significantly from firing it to stop an attacker in an emergency situation.
Good points, thank you for your comment.
SBR 300 blackout suppressed trumps the shotgun.
If a 22/9mm is argued to be good enough self defense power, 300BO even when subbed is plenty of power to kill a threat fast.
Its used by special forces for a reason.
Shotgun is arguably overkill. If you take 300 blackout to the chest/stomach and keep fighting, bra-fucking-vo you are a giga chad.
While having less recoil, less ear shock, higher capacity and more accurate.
And ALL guns with proper stopping power will go through walls if you miss.
@@azurumishinji1697 The pro for the shotgun is it is less accurate has a higher spread and is powerful. That´s the whole point.
Common people are no special forces and they don´t need to take out a threat they want to fight off an intrudes, completely different things.
The last thing I would do is choose or decide based on what juries favor. Application of fire will mostly. Great vid for providing info.
Good ol classic 870 at the ready always
I'm getting one of granddaddy Clint's 590s. There's something otherworldly about a solid pump and cycling it and the whole feeling.
Rock Island has a magazine fed Pump Action that deserves respect 🙏🏿
I took my friend to a show to see about him getting a maverick 88 7+1 shotgun for home defense.
It's a very affordable option on a budget especially when the neighborhood is getting sketchy of late.
What's even better is both together. In multiples of each.
"I have too many guns" = words that no real man would ever utter.
Having 27 pick up trucks is useless. I rather get a boat, a car, a motorbike, helicopter and airplane. They do different shit. I bet your 100 guns are all alike for the same general purpose and you are not properly used to one of them, so in an emergency situation you are missing muscle memory.
Wondered why soldiers don´t use 10 type of different rifles ?
@@sierraecho884 As a former soldier, I can assure you that I am more than capable of using well over 10 types of different rifles.
WTF are you even talking about pick up trucks for - that is a terrible analogy and does not work at all. A more appropriate analogy would be with kitchen knives - they all just cut stuff.
I can say that I have around 15 different types of knives in my kitchen (+ more in my shed) as they each specialise in different tasks. I wouldn't use a cleaver to butter my bread, would I?
I'd say the number of guns I have and explain their purposes but due to the country which I currently reside in, it wouldn't be a wise move for legal reasons.
@@BadBed1982 "...- that is a terrible analogy and does not work at all..." in your opinion. Why does it not work ?
Okay let´s do vehicles then. You get a helicopter, Airplane, boat, car, motorbike.
So you can travel by sea, air, land etc.
Do you now get a different gun for a different room in your house ? A glock for the bathroom and the AR for the living room ? Are you using them simultaniously ? It may not make sense for you that´s fine. But in the end you yourself resorted to a comparison like that. With the knifes.
Lets stay with the knifes then, why would you get 28 steak knifes each a different brand then ?
The advice given to me that I always keep in mind: Always assume your bedside firearm may be shown in court in an evidence bag to 12 non-firearm enthusiasts. We like to think that that shouldn't and wouldn't matter, but it does.
Also assume you won't get it back. And it'll be battered if you do.
I'm always amused by people who use family heirlooms, valuable collectibles, and expensive custom items for serious purposes.
"But I NEED my $5000 Nighthawk for the 2-percent increase in theoretical accuracy... when shooting at a man 10 feet away!"
I dont really care about the opinions of people who aren't coming to my defense. I have a carbine that I'm comfortable enough to operate blindfolded, and thats how its gonna stay.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballzwhen those people hold your freedom in your hands you care. Unless you’re just as dense as the people they choose to be on grand juries.
@@michaelmurdock4607Just as the founding fathers intended
Well then pink & white Hello Kitty AR it is.
Great Vid on Shotties 💥
Love my 1301 Berretta, but would pick my good old 870 if had to pick just 1.
I never left the shotty. I have many rifles and choose a suppressed 11.5” AR as my “go to” long gun for home defense but my 590A1 will always sit right next to it. It’s another tool in the toolbox.
@@Goldenwithaleash fool
Don't listen to Gary, you're not a fool. Your 11.5" AR is a perfectly valid option. Especially with a suppressor inside a house. The 590A1 is a good "outside" gun. In the dark.
@@RonnDogg9900 do not obey little Ron
Thanks
It’s not just what you think. It’s about the grand jury
@@ryanupchurch9683 what grand jury? Surely you jest.
Shotguns are great. One of the biggest reasons I don't shoot mine more is the cost of shells compared to 5.56
Target loads are cheaper than 5.56, but unless you are actually shooting clays, target loads aren't much fun. A bunch of tiny little dots on a paper target isn't impressive.
It's true that slugs and 00 buck are more expensive than 5.56, but you can get cheap Winchester shells of each for around $1 per round. I understand that "double the cost per round" makes it sound expensive for a day at the range, but think about how quickly you can mag dump and AR, and how long it would take to cycle through 30 rounds in a Mossberg 500. The shotgun's slower cyclic rate and longer reload time will take care of the cost disadvantage.
Also, you should always have something in 22lr to fill out your range time. Something slow to load, like a Ruger Wrangler is a cheap way to keep busy at the range while spending a minimum on ammo.
@@chiplincoln5482 you are a cheapskate.
On the plus side, you're not doing to be dumping 30 rounds of 12 gauge in 2 minutes so your ammo supply should last a little longer.
Buy a shell press, I'm getting one this year for waterfowl season
@@poniccalichronic I had my first one given to me as a birthday present when I was 12.
Really enjoyed, thanks
My shotgun is my home defender.
That'll work.
I shot over 1,000 shells of 12ga standard target birdshot for a state Trap shoot competition when I was 16 years old and didn't have a single bruise. Shotguns aren't as hard as you think they are to control with the recoil feeling more like a push instead of a jerk - so long as you are properly holding your shotgun.
You & Chris (Honest Outlaw) that I watched right before this just talked me into grabbing a different tool first. 👍
I prefer a Bob Allen hunting jacket, a box of pop tarts, and a trusty Winchester 1897 to handle those pesky intruders. So, as always, don't try this at home, I'm what you call a professional, and... sorry, I'm in a state of something right now and your video really helped. Love me some boomsticks.
For a home defense weapon, make sure everyone in the house can use it. Also, dont go to the door with a long gun. If it is the police, they may shoot you or arrest you.
I think the main disadvantage to the shotgun today is ammo capacity. If it is a home invasion, you may be fighting a crew. I have been using the 870 since the sixties and one is ready to go near my bed. It has a side saddle and extended tube. Next to it is a 40 round snap on shell belt with an M7 bayonet attached. Ammo is the low recoil OO buck that shoots a 12 inch pattern at 25 yards. With the lighter recoil you can shoot it a bit faster. Practice reloading is a must. I also have 2 semiauto shotguns with 10 shot detachable magazines as backup.
For my handicapped wife I have an AR-15 in 9mm that she can handle easily. CorBon 115 gr ammo goes 1515 FPS from the 16 in barrel.
Concerning recoil, get a Kick-EZZZ pad. Really works. I also think Ghost Ring Sights are a must.
All this is JMHO.
Great video. Great info.
If it's the police, don't go to the door at all. They are NEVER there for good news.
I don't even let anyone SEE me through the door unless I recognize the voice yelling my name. Everyone else can stand in the rain until they give up.
@@stevenscott2136 seriously, who are these people that answer their door? I haven't answered a door for someone that I didn't know was coming since like 2006.
I prefer a bead over ghost sights, but I run buck mostly, just fast on target & easier to lead.
@@stevenscott2136 Yes, good policy. But some people will do this. I would call the police to see if it is them at the door.
@@jong2359 A lot of people do this. Does not make sense.
I'm with the guy who said "if I could only have one gun, it would be a shotgun". As a hunter, it'll take anything from rabbits to moose including feral hogs (though a 300 yards away pronghorn would be pretty safe).
for "legal reasons", a 20 ga. Shotgun lookz so much "friendlier" to a jury, but really packs a pretty reasonable "whump" at 5-10 metres! 20 ga slug manages about 70% of 12 ga muzzle energy, and it's possible to get #0 and #1 buckshot in 20 ga.
Retrograde mossberg. And you can skip that 20ga bs and still look classic but be a modern shooter
I bought a 20 gauge because I didn't want 12 gauge recoil.
@@imperfectlump6070 That's part of the reason I have my 28 gauge browning pump that's been in my family for 3 generations starting with my grandfather, and with Brenneke slugs(crazy hard to come by), and cut shells I still have more than enough power to take out a dirtbag breaking into my house without the huge recoil since I'm a small guy at 5ft 4in tall, and 145 lbs soaking wet.
@@CommodoreFan64 Though people scoff at it, a 410 gauge loaded with 000 buckshot or winchester defender ammo packs all the punch you'd need as well.
@@maxdoles5806 I honestly forgot about 410, but you're right that's a viable option as well.
My girl wasn’t too happy when I bought my 1301 Tac, and James is to blame for that. But like I told her, you wouldn’t use a face scrub as a moisturizer, so why would I want to use my pistol for bird hunting?
wow you did NOT mince words in this one. love it.
I love both Ar-15 and Shotgun. Just hate carrying bulky shotgun ammo around. An Ar-15 extra mag is easier to carry for me. More versus vids please! Want to see the Mini 14 in action again soon.
So how many robbers do you usually fight a day or a week ? 12 or so ? Hence the ammo requirement right ?
A Maverick 88 8-round shotgun and a Taurus Model 82 6-round .38 special with a 4 inch barrel make a good low cost combo.
Was so depressed shelling out the money for a Beretta 1301… then I went to the range and forgot all about it. Absolutely adore that thing!
Shells in the tactical fanny pack > Anything the AR side can come up with.
Lol 40 rounds in one magazine.