How My Viewers Caused WW1 To Erupt Over Africa
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2023
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I doubt the British would actually acknowledge anything about a boer state. They would use all anti racist anti slavery rhetoric to immediately go to war again. And they were willing to commit as many atrocities as possible win or lose. South Africa also being Afrikaans and in touch with Germany is a nightmare.
Especially since their armies were freed up not having to deal with anything else in Africa.
It's free real estate.
Just out of interest why would south afrika being in touch with germany be such a nightmare?
@@_bk_004 because you dont want your enemy to have any Potential allies
Afrikaans is a Dutch creole language. Communication and gather sympathy from Germany would be easy. They are technically neighbors since Germany has Nambia.A germanic alliance in Africa would ruin most invasion plans. Even Portuguese help would be kind of useless and it would be a massive stalemate.
@@_bk_004 There are a bunch of chokepoints for global trade, like the Suez Canal, the Panama Canal, or the Strait of Malacca. The Cape is one of them. If Britain's control of the Suez Canal or Gibraltar were threatened, South Africa would instantly become the center of Britain's attention because they were, of course, a maritime trading nation
Why would fascism still come to Italy? They got what they wanted after the war which as far as I know was a major sticking point for the discontent that lead to fascism taking hold. Also the failure in Ethiopia didn’t occur in this timeline since it was never on the table
i commented the exact same thing, maybe he will answer at the start of the sequel
Great point against fascists taking power, but it's possible that maybe the crash of 29 creates a radical italy, most likely fascist as the king would prefer them as in our timeline, hoping to control benito while ending up being the one controlled, in this timeline however, the only thing the italians could want, apart from maybe the horn of africa are french/italian land like corsica nizza and arguably savoia, then if you give them ticino you have a huge italy that has achieved it's irredentist goals
Best guess they got promised more but the Russians were able to leverage there position to force it to be dialled back for more gains for Serbia. And the Italians got pissed that some of their claims were basically thrown out the window to appease the Russians.
edit: Either that or the underlying economic and social issues that caused the two red years post war still occur and that allows fascism to emerge in Italy as a reaction to this possibly in a slightly different form but broadly the same set of principles.
Fascism was used to combat communism
mussolini war pro war and stuff so if he gained power itlay might just have a fascist government
YES! We NEED a continuation! The biggest thing I wanna see is the fate of British territory in India and the situation of Japan and Soviets. Indian independence is certainly inevitable but without any reason to have such a ww2 as we did and a comparative of reality, a better Britain leaving the great war, perhaps their position in India would strengthen as anti colonial sentiments won't peak as much and INC might even negotiate a dominion status (which was actually proposed in 1929). I have no idea on how other things would play out though. Another aspect I wanna know that since there was no American involvement in the war, will the world even face the great depression? Overall I think this scenario massively benefits Britain, especially in colonial holdings.
russia also benefitted a lot, since ww1 was a rather easy victory for them the russian civil war may not happen (maybe?)
Guys please don't repeat 1935😭
@@user-of8ft8tg3nthey’ve politically manoeuvred the situation quite cleverly, if the civil war does happen it would be much later and not directly caused by the war.
Acctually everyone is in a better position, France has more European land, Germany and the triple monarchy too, and Germany still has Asian colonies… I too definitely want to see an continuation
@@isaacskinner5565 In this timeline it almost certainly doesn't happen. So that also means no Naziism, possibly even no communist movements as we've seen them in our world.
I'd definitely love to see a continuation, also because I am curious about what could happen in South Africa
Yeah he kind of just skipped over the boers, who I think would of taken the chance to invade Namibia at the Russian intervention
Boers would probably make apartheid v 5000
Guys please don't repeat 1935😭
Probably boer empire collapse pretty quickly because they will have even higher African percentages or they would adopt apartheid far sooner
@snomcultist1899 you seriously underestimate how overstretched the boers would already be
I'd definitely love a second part of this. A three team ww1 is very original, and a ww2 starting with pretty much a developed cold war would be very interesting.
Yes
Yes
I don't see any f*cking reason WW2 here. Only alien invasion could start it😂😂😂
Yes
This scenario is arguably better than our own timeline. The Berlin conference really should have been decided by PH's viewers.
How is it better
@@linmyatmg1028no communism, no hitler (probably), + i personally think less people died
@@linmyatmg1028well, the african borders not only caused a less harsh treaty of versailles, but also since this treaty wansn't so harsh on Germany, fascism wont rise in Germany, which could mean no or atleast a lighter ww2.
@@Eltonthaqis what? can you please rephrase the second comment because i honestly have no idea what do you mean by that
Russia didn't got a civil war so this is worse than our timeline
Always fun to see these alternate wars, but I was a little surprised that you had the Boer state remain neutral during the alternate WWI. The Boers were generally pro-German in our timeline, and it's easy to imagine them joining Germany's side, especially if they were promised some of Portugal's colonies in the peace deal.
Yeah but that pro-german stance was mostly because they hated Britain. In a world where they hold that big of a territory they'd probably be mired down in trying to maintain an overextended empire in Africa.
They would probably be too buisy with their attempts to control their black population to get involved. Without British involvement the Boers would have done what they did in apartheid but earlier and with literal slavery added to the mix (that is cease all the good land for whites, and develope black reservations, while using blacks for cheap mining and to a lesser extent farm labour) (and possibly even genocide) which would obviously create unrest towards them. And they are going to be at ost 40% of the population (22% was the hisotical % by ww1, but this is mostly due to British efforts at 'civilising' the natives by giving them modern farming techniques and greater access to western medicine causing a massive boom between 1880s and 1910s, but it's unlikely the boer % would be as high as the 1881 boer republics of 45% mostly due to the Xhosa and Zulu)
What I suspect is that PH builds from the concept (as I recall from his previous video) that a Boer state so large would be unable to govern all of its territory or rule it fully so they wouldn't be able to intervene, but it seems he forgot to talk about it.
please do a what if Hitler was der failure of South Africa
It's hard to imagine how Germany with all it's divisions in the west wouldn't curbstomp france in a matter of weeks.
One of the reasons why the schlieffen plan failed was because of extra divisions in the east to defend against russia.
Spain held north African possessions until 1975. Although hard, they managed to do it very well. More realistic is to reduce it to what in our timeline actually got and give Algeria to France. Much more realistic than give it all to France
Those possessions were smaller and more manageable, and didn't include the French Algerian coast.
As someone from the Balkans, I have an intrinsic interest in part 2. Would be awesome if peace lasts. Viewers should decide borders more often.
I guess Albania would just give up on existing huh
I think Spain would face two options:
- An earlier Republic, as the monarchy is humilliated and its main support, the army, is destroyed. They would have been motivated by the 1910 portuguese revolution (if it still happens). This republic would be more stable than in our timeline, because most of the rebel generals during the civil war fought and got promoted in the Rif War, this time they would be either dead or low officers.
-A military dictatorship: Just as in our timeline, the war in Africa weakens the gouverment, getting couped by general Primo de Rivera with the King's blessing, like in OTL. They could pursue closer ties with the central powers, seeking revenge agaist France, or get influenced by Mussolini, just as Primo de Rivera tried to do in reality before resigning.
Anyway, I'm looking foward a continuation of this timeline. Great video, as always
Third 'Alliance' and Backstabbing the Turks? This WW1 sounds hype.
Edit: Wow, the Russians were by far the winners of this WW1, they got practically everything they wanted and came out looking like the most reasonable of the great powers.
Turks will probably align themselves with the Italian fascists, and the lack of nazi means that this political spectrum could explore something else than XL ethnonationalism. Maybe esotericism or ultrairredentism/ultramilitarism?
@@holey5065 The Turks aligning with Italy just means the rest of the Ottoman empire gets partitioned. Who knows? Maybe Greater Greece happens? Depends on Ataturk I guess?
I as an Ethiopian I think this world is better than our real world
fr brother
I don't think so, turkey got uber colonised before even trying to moderniz3
@@minestar2247no Armenian Genocide is a W in my book
@@irmaosmatos4026 that would still happen, it happened because of the war and the goal of modernization, so it is very probable that it's worst in this timeline
@@minestar2247 Russia controlling more of Armenia and Constantinople diminishes its effect, and British Ottomans can at least end slavery sooner
Viewers: Lets make sure the British get nothing!
UK: And I took that personally.
Part two is definitely wanted! For all the reasons commentors have already stated, but also because I need to see South Africa freed from slavery. It was bad enough under the British, and they abolished slavery lol
The boers weren’t pro slavery in the 1880s anymore. Slavery was already banned for 30 years.
poor spain, got demolished in the peace deal, maybe if they didnt have Algeria and some parts around guinea could have been saved from that horrendous war, but it is sad to see everyone ganging up against the Spanish who did nothing to deserve that punishement :(
I'm surprised they didn't join the war in Germany's side, considering the loss of territories they suffered
I disagree that professional pants-wearer Benito Mussolini would inevitably take power in Italy in this scenario, but this is a unique take on world war one.
Sometimes the most cursed bordergore produces the most blessed timeline
I love this. Clearly, the voters are Anglophobic. But in the end, the English #Staywinning
Cope harder, Anglophobes.
I’m glad the British are beginning to reverse their humiliation
I find it ridiculous the fact that you thought that the wester front would be in a trench war... The reason why it ended up like that was because Russia mobilized way before german generals thought.
I think that by really winning ww1 and take what was promised italy wouldn't have fallen into fascism, and also you said that italy "flexed is muscle" so is a functioning nation and army so there would be nothing to be angry about for mussolini to gain power, nevertheless great work.
But he never said it was fascist. Check out Benito Mussolini's previous political alignment, it's way different from what he'd later become known for.
@@gengarzilla1685 you are right mussolini before was a socialist but he specifies that "italy is trying a new form of government under the dictator benito Mussolini, creating a third way".
"New form" would be more sensical with fascism(fascism born 1920, socialism 1850).
"Creating a 3 way" fascism was regarded as the third way between socialism and capitalism.
I think he is referring to fascism.
@@dariospada2883 isn't this set in the 19th century still? It could still be communism as it hadn't arisen in russia in this timeline
“Fallen to facism”
@dariospada2883 socialism hadn't been tried yet, and he is comparing it to liberalism and traditional monarchy as the other 2 existing forms.
Regular socialism fitts 3rd wayism in this timeline.
Good stuff for adding representation of the armies and frontlines. It makes it easier to follow and makes it look more professional.
This was a solid way to make new content ideas. You made it your own and really looked at this possibility in a fresh way. Please chase this for one more video, even if it doesn't become a world war. You could probably make two videos about: one about the differences in political and economic realities and one about what would happen. Even though I think you usually make these more map-based videos I think that people have appetite for the other kind.
You're amazing man! Thanks For this! 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
This was extremely interesting and very well done, quite unique. An amazing scenario you painted from a very strange turnout from the berlin conference.
Was there anyone else thinking that this strange panhandle of Austria-Hungary into Romania at 12:30 is just so ugly and somewhat freaking me out. Why don't give it to Romania?
I’ve subscribed in hopes of seeing a continuation of this series. Awesome work and I hope to see it continue
That was a great episode, you managed to make so much sense out of this scenario, hopefully more content like this
I think Germany and Russia would have preemptively negotiated, as well as Britain and France with Russia, allowing the Russian sphere to gain an advantage in the war without being pulled into the wider conflict, building them up to take a much larger role in an inevitable future conflict
I really wonder how USA would have viewed this war, considering Entente/Balkan Alliance seeming aggression. A continuation would be fascinating. A stronger Russia under a Tsar and Germany with a Kaiser still.
The us had great relations with Russia before ww1, and disliked the ottoman empire, so would probably not mind the Russian side of the war, possibly even supporting them espeically after being aparently the cooler heads at the end.
But relations with the British and French would likely be worse.
Yeah, though I do recall Britain (and maybe France?) being USA’s greatest trading partner irl pre-WW1, so I wonder if that would play a role here. Though I definitely could see a Russian/American alliance with possibly Germany/Austria included as well, especially if American-Japanese relations are still poor (or not “great”), with Russia and America acting as the mediators and stabilizers in Asia.
The U.S would probably be friendly with most of Europe except for maybe Russia. With this world's world war 2 looking more like world war 1 with a rather late American intervention depending on where the German and Italian blocs end up. As America at least preferred Britain and France overall and did not want them to fall under German or Russian imperialist, or Italian fascist influence.
This concept is soooo interesting would love to see a continuation! Great video!
This was really cool!
This alternative timeline would actually be better than our own as less people died and no communism.
In WW1,WW2 is around the corner east vs west vs italy?
I am socialist but am against sending people to Gulags and massively torturing and killing them
I am for more of a Titoist partially democratic socialism going to communism in a democratic way but having good relations to the west
@@PROUD_TITOIST As a Titoist myself, you clearly misunderstood the concept of Titoism.
@@marxistvalor not really Tito did send people to "Goli otok" but those were political enemies mostly
Tito did have socialist goverment but he had good relations with the west i said it incorectly my bad
I wanted to say that he wanted to rule a communist/socialist country but the way Yugoslavia would be neutral party in world which would be democratic (not USA democratic imean real democracy)
Socialism is made to help workers and base people to eliminate classes in society get free healthcare and peopelt o work for the benefit of the sociery itself
I said more democratic ways cuz obviously Tito was much more democratic and more human than Stalin who sent millions to Gulags
@@marxistvalor i missworded it kinda i guess
I mean i am for socialism similar to how Tito did it being decent with west and the east but being policialy indenpendent
letss goo, i love your content ph, i never get any yt merch or patreon but yesterday i decided to get yours cause of how high quality your content is. you are criminally underrated
I would love a part 3, this scenario has become something far more interesting than I would have imagined
A continuation of this scenario into the mid 20th century would be pretty neat.
Amazing video! Love the new addition of moving armies on the map! Great work again PH!
The quality has improved so much since I started watching you. Hope you continue to make great alt history vids!
This scenario is really good, please make a part 2
This was one of the more interesting scenarios I've seen in a while, very well done
Very interested in a part 2. Please continue!
yes i definitly wanna see how this develops from this point althought i struggle to see how can the shillefen plan fail to knock out france with 1 million extra troops and a econocmicly stronger germany plus a bit more extra help from the austrians but still great video
Triple Monarchy goes hard
Also those Africa borders tickle my brain, they are so satisfying at the end
Absolutely do a part 3! this is a very interesting scenario
YES! Please do a continuation of this!
I feel like striping Spain from ALL of it's Africa's possesions is quite harsh. They had a claim for the northermost part of Morroco as they have held some enclaves and ports for at elast 4 centuries.
Maybe get all of mauritania but leave the norther most territory like in our own timeline, giving all of it to France doesn't really make much sense to the balance of power in Europe either, making Britain with Gibraltar and France with all of Morroco control de entry to the Mediterranean would make the austro-hungary possesions in the adriatic worthless, with both suez an gibraltar straits controlled by enemies
wait PART TWO WOULD BE INSANE WE SOMEHOW MANAGED TO CREATE SUCH A INTERESTING SCENARIO LETS GO 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😍😍😍😍
This is the greatest channel honestly these vids are so good keep it up
Man this video was so GOOD ! Your storytelling skills are AMAZING and that ending is making me REALLY want a art 2 !
Can you for Give the Czech Republic a
Silesia in description of video What If VIEWERS Carved Up Africa? pls
@@lionelhubeny404 Please explain what you mean I didn't understand at all what you tried to say
Edit: If you wanted to tell me to vote for Checkoslovakian expansion, sorry I already voted.
I'm excited for part 2
We absolutely need a Part 2 of this scenario. I am really interested in this divided Europe, and how that would play out.
This is awesome. Please make a part 2!
Excellent video PH, I like how you theorized what played out after the territorial divisions made by the viewers
I can't see France and the UK holding on against Germany for a year. The German military edge is just too great, and if the Germans broke out beyond Paris, French morale and logistics would be non-existent.
Thats true but even as a german it wouldve been really boring to turn this Video into a what if germany won ww1 number 3765
Yes! Part two please. This scenario is honestly really interesting, and I can’t wait to see the fate of this Germany.
Very good job! Please continue this!
Yes! Please continue it! Tbh i felt this one was a bit shorter than usual
We would LOVE to see a sequel! Please do it!
Fascinating video as always!
Very exited about a part 2. It would be great to see.
We need giant austria from the next vote
Would love to see a part 2/sequel to this! and honestly, please don't be afraid to get speculative with this! Sure, you wouldn't know for sure what would happen, but it would add more flavor and content if you did, plus it would be your own spin on the scenario. This version of the Berlin Conference was ridiculous as it is, so why not further explore it speculatively?
Yes please continue, this is really cool
We definetly need a part 2.
I hope you do more of these viewer choose scenarios! Also, it would be great to keep the wacky options, it's far more interesting if you give us the ability to both create awful borders and also to make stupid and silly nations (for instance, it could've been cool to see even landlocked areas going to the winner: and then maybe in a video like this one, a 'trade' is simulated to make the borders make more sense.
A second part would honestly be interesting to watch. Anyways, great video, as always.
I really enjoyed this, would love to see a continuation
I would love to see a continuation, and I'm curious to see if Germany has a grievance over losing the saarland
This is truly the video of all time.
A continuation would be wonderful. I'd absolutely LOVE to see it
I have been waiting for this
You need to do a part 2!
Yes, the Balkan and Romanian portions of AH were indeed some of the poorest parts, but you also have them lose all of Galicia. Claiming that these losses were more of a blessing than a curse is just plain wrong. Galicia was pretty much the most important part of the empire right after Austria proper because of natural resources (especially coal and iron for steel production).
Furthermore, why would AH become a triple monarchy with the Czechs? "Czechoslovakia" was already divided between the Austrians and Hungarians, with both Czechia and Slovakia having been part of their respective kingdoms for literal centuries. Also, not only was there a large German population in the Sudetenland, there was even a sizeable minority of German speakers in Prague, albeit proportionally weakened at the time of WW1.
This is probably my favourite video of yours, it’s a really fun scenario!
I would love a continuation of the series, its really interesting
I'd love to see a HOI4 mod of this scenario
I'd love it if you made a series out of these scenarios.
The Boars being given as much land as they were is pretty egregious. I think people saw funny option and picked it not understanding the consequences.
Now this is an interesting timeline. Definitely hoping for a part 2.
Wow, that was really interesting, very well designed scenario and I saw someone asking why Fascism would come to Italy but I'm certain you'll explain it in the next video! I look forward to your new video!
Portugal has the resources to defend its colonies? Honestly, I doubt it, and there were ideas of partition driven up between the British and Germans. One can imagine the same thing can happen IRL
To be honest, all of this is really questionable, as it previsages a world war started by in the West, somehow, that is not really explained. It can be tense, sure, but is nothing like the powder keg of the Balkans. I honestly feel like a more likely situation is Germany and Austria gang on Russia sometime after 1917 in a pre-emptive foreign policy designed to curb its power
Fascinating, dude!
PLEASE CONTINUE IT SO INTERESTING
Moral of the story is never make a map using UA-cam votes
Babe wake up possible history just posted
Also first
Can’t wait for a part 3
YES THIS IS WHAT I NEEDED
Considering the cliffhanger this was left on, a part 2 would be amazing!
as a certain indecisive molusk said:
just as planned
This timeline is awesome, you should make a continuation.
I would love to see this scenario continued!😄
A few big problems with this timeline:
With no Russia in the war at the start, German Empire doesnt attack belgium, which was only done because they wanted to avoid a 2-front-war. This in turn leaves Britain out of the war - they entered because of the belgian invasion.
With the balkan nations close to the central powers, there is no conflict with Russia, there would not be any assassination of Franz Ferdinand and there would be no casus belli for Russia, France of Britain. Germany would not just start a war with France, they have no revanchism and no interest in french lands. With this, the likely starting point of WW1 would be a french attack on Germany. At the time of WW1, this inversion of attack is very important - the brits would be less likely to be able to wage a war against the German Empire due to a lack of a casus belli.
You also completely left out the conflict between the brits and the russians over central asia. The russians would not have wanted more polish land - with the poles divided between the 3 powers, they're less able to rebel in a single country. There is very little reason for russia to go to war with the central powers in this timeline.
Not really the Belgian invasion was more of an excuse to join. Britain as part of the entente would never have allowed Germany to humiliate France again
This should be a hoi4 mod
Our work here is done, it's the army's problem now
Make a continuation, this was awesome.
Idea:what if everything went right for the polish lithuania Commonwealth
The Germans losing Paris seems very unlikely and contrived.
@@Cannon530YTOO >I imagine it would be done via a long siege and would be done by pushing the main army of Germany back and creating an encirclement.
Right the buck broken French/British forces would manage to hold the lines to the West of Paris with the fall of France's industrial/logistic/rail hub. Even though to the West of Paris is basically just a flat plane with no natural defenses. All without being able to reroute logistics from around France because once again the Paris railhub issue. Then with that completely broken supply issue (and most of France's factories under German occupation) they're going to launch a "long siege" AND pull an encirclement. Wow such a realistic scenario.
>Either way, it's done now. It was said in the video and recorded, so that is that...
(If you are resentful of this, I imagine you are sympathetic or simpily pathetic in your sympathy toward the German Empire and the questionable Germany, who lost...)
An appeal to finality, ad hominem, strawman, non sequitur, begging the question AND an appeal to emotion within a few sentences. Well done. Any more midwit debate tactics you want to attempt or are we done here?
I’m so happy I can be here for the video premiere 😁
A continuation would definitely be appreciated
If you make another video, is it possible that you make the Hungarian-Romanian border less...well, horrible? 😂😂, maybe the European powers realized the mistake and supported a population exchange.
They agreed to create a fucking Israel in Madagascar, this doesn't seem so strange in comparison😅.
Hello everyone, i wonder how this will go
edit: perfection 👌